h1-discussion

[hot bloom]

Its not that i cant work with the weapons just theres things i dont like… like with the shield, how he it pushes enemies away.. i know how to follow and chase them i just hate having to do so

[naive flicker]

play zeus

every aspect has a little bit of a different way of playing so you might like other aspects thats how i enjoyed every weapon

and now i dont wanna try other aspects cuz im set on a few which is kinda bad

[hot bloom]

Thats the thing! I havent enjoyed any aspect i have tried on the shield.. most i did was doom on the special so i can be lazy lol

Aspect

I meant boon scuse me

[lavish sorrel]

Learning pseudotech helped my enjoyment of the bow as a whole immensely 😌
Learning how to play a weapon helps demystify it, making it feel less awkward.

[hot bloom]

For me its.. the weapons on the left (sword, ect, are my least favorite while the ones on the right are my favorites

[naive flicker]

idk what to tell you then maybe leave it a bit till you give it a try maybe later you might see something you dont usually do a way of playing the aspect or something like that

actually really weird thing about spear it feels really bad to play but its unironically really good at many things

artemis dash strike isnt worth on fists yea?

[latent moon]

Nope

[naive flicker]

alr

[hot bloom]

Thats why i follow dark thirst, it forces me to play a specific weapon instead of me staying to one

[lavish sorrel]

Given your reaction to the message, I take it you might be missing some knowledge.
There are several so-called "aspects" that get unlocked as soon as you unlock all six weapons and did a run. Many of these aspects fundamentally change what builds the weapon can use. There's something for everyone.

[hot bloom]

Probably but until i find that knowledge thennn

[naive flicker]

thats pretty good i tried doing that for a bit but then got bored and started spamming 1 weapon

[lavish sorrel]

I suggest moving to #h1-for-new-players , you are bound to encounter spoilers here otherwise

[hot bloom]

Good thiing im not new lol

I just not into like min maxing

[naive flicker]

you mentioned something about pseudotech i forgot to ask you about ewhat is that exactly on the bow?

[hot bloom]

So i just do with what i vibe

And i dont vibe with the shield or spear or sword lol

[lavish sorrel]

At your own risk

[indigo badge]

very short version: cancel your reload animation to instantly shoot another arrow

[hot bloom]

I have beaten the game multiple times with over 100 runs.. and i can still say i dont like those weapons

I wish i was exaggerating

I need a life lol

[indigo badge]

and you don't have aspects?

[naive flicker]

with a dash? can you tell me run through the inputs if you dont mind

[hot bloom]

On this save file, yes but i dont unlock them.. with the shield i dont like any of them except zags

[lavish sorrel]

long version:
Every weapon is a state machine. Some transformations from one state to another are possible, and some are not.
Doing a dashstrike puts you in the DS state. After releasing the dashstrike, starting a special will put you in the specialing state. From there, before the animation has time to start, do a standing strike.

[indigo badge]

I don't remember precisely but i think after your dash attack, press and hold your attack button then instantly tap the special button

the input was something like that

[lavish sorrel]

(Just press attack and special at the same time)

[naive flicker]

oh so like dash attack into special then immediately attack right after

[indigo badge]

less immediately and more simultaneously

[hot bloom]

If im using persephones keepsake.. is it worth going into pom rooms?

[naive flicker]

alr yea

[naive flicker]

really dependant

[hot bloom]

On rng and what the keepsake hits?

[naive flicker]

yes i you get bad rng and didnt get many pom hits on your main damage source it might be worth going into pom rooms if the other options isnt very neccessary

but it also depends on the other options a lot

[hot bloom]

So if im not through tartarus yet and ny attack is already level 3

[naive flicker]

then if the other god is good its more worth taking that

[hot bloom]

Its gold

Coins

[primal compass]

“Maybe I’m not giving Artemis enough credit, I’m enjoying this Artemis build-“

pops a death defied to Meg

“Nevermind”

[naive flicker]

id take the money tbh

especially if you have underworld customs on it might help you later

[hot bloom]

When that happens i want to delete the game xD

[naive flicker]

happens

i lost 3 death defiances to a miniboss once

[primal compass]

Oof

[hot bloom]

I do that against the (not) mini boss room with like 8 armoured projectiles people in asphodel

[primal compass]

IMO Artemis is great if you already have 3 gods that work well together and don’t want to mess up their cohesion but isn’t great to build around. But my first three boons were her so oh well

[naive flicker]

witch miniboss

yea it can be rough

[hot bloom]

My build is weird so far.. ares attack, aphro special, zeus cast, and wine guy dash

I have no plans but

[naive flicker]

it can be great if you have other modifiers to boost the damage of the weapon your using something like chaos

[naive flicker]

thats how it is

[hot bloom]

Mannn!! I almost no hit tisphone but then she did her projectiles while meg summoned a pillar, i was trapped!

[naive flicker]

divine dash starting to feel a little bit boring to just take everyrun ngl

[hot bloom]

Hades but you can only dash

[indigo badge]

you can just attack the projectiles and they'll disappear

[naive flicker]

thatas a video if i recall correctly

[mint coral]

Dash only is a speedrun category

[hot bloom]

Thats probably why i know it lol

[naive flicker]

duo dash boons

[mint coral]

Nah

[hot bloom]

I know but i have gotten into the habit of dashing during Tisiphone projectiles because i usually get hit when trying to attack it (im to lazy to time the attack but i will time the dash lol)

[primal compass]

New run hope I get either Dionysus or Athena

[naive flicker]

the speedrun would be like 1min if we had those

[naive flicker]

just force em out

[primal compass]

Oh let’s go got one of my favorite hammers first thing

[primal compass]

I’m trying to upgrade my shawl rn

LETS GO DIONYSUS

[hot bloom]

Okay dionysus attack or ares attack? (Level 3) (no boons working with either)

[naive flicker]

12 24 36 for last room of floors right?

[primal compass]

What weapon

[naive flicker]

can be extended by some rooms

[hot bloom]

Gauntlets

[stiff obsidian]

N

[primal compass]

Dionysus it’s my go to gauntlet boon

[stiff obsidian]

No

[mint coral]

Those are the last combats

[stiff obsidian]

Yes

[naive flicker]

idk if im taking either but its up to you just experiment

[naive flicker]

so the room after is free when i see that number im trynna say

[primal compass]

For gauntlets it’s best to take something that stacks and/or hits instantly and doom does neither of those

[hot bloom]

We got 1 vote wine dude.. SomeNoob whats your vote

[mint coral]

Yeah

13/23/37 will be the shop or a free reward

[naive flicker]

alr gotchu

[mint coral]

Oh wait @naive flicker

Last combat ely is 34

36 is heroes

[hot bloom]

Somenoob! Wine dude attack or ares attack on gauntlets

[mint coral]

I like dio cuz I hate merciful end

[hot bloom]

Right.. wine dude does that and ares can do that if you get the right boon

[hot bloom]

Democracy has spoken! Wine dude it is

[primal compass]

Much more likely from Dionysus

That said, I’m starting to really like Demeter for gauntlets as well. Frozen + decay on primary is nice

[mint coral]

So 13/23/35 for your end shops

[naive flicker]

so 13 23 35 are free rewards or shop?

[hot bloom]

Whats your guys go to grab from Eurydice

[mint coral]

Nectar

Like 90% of the time

[hot bloom]

Sameee

[naive flicker]

thats a little confusing actually

i havent gotten used to the numbers

12 22 34 is last combat youre saying

[mint coral]

Yeah

[naive flicker]

just need to confirm that and im good

[mint coral]

End shop is just what we call the shop before the boss of a place

Middle shop is the first one

[hot bloom]

SON OF A BEACH… i got hit with a dusa projectile when a lava ball landed on me

[naive flicker]

yea alr

[naive flicker]

the dusa mini boss might be harder than hades for me

i think they are tied or burning my dds

[mint coral]

The only time these numbers won't match are due to niche situations

[primal compass]

Also am I not understanding Blessed by the Gods? I can guarantee you I’ve taken 100 boons but I don’t have the achievement

[mint coral]

If you take a chaos gate or Erebus gate at 12/22 you'll create what's called an extension

[naive flicker]

athena t2 boons over aphros everyday?

[naive flicker]

mainly chaos or eribus

[hot bloom]

The amount of panic when i think i dodged and then get turned into to stone is enough to give me a heart attack xD

[mint coral]

Those two normally skip a chamber usually, an extension adds +1 to the chamber count

So if you take chaos on chamber 12, chaos becomes chamber 13, shop 14 then furies at 15

[naive flicker]

and you get hit with the slam for 1k damage i love it

[mint coral]

Then last combat for aspho and elysium are now 23/35

[naive flicker]

special rooms can be connect to boss rooms yea?

i think so

[hot bloom]

When im fighting the elyseium

Happy place

And get hit by the spear

I scream

[mint coral]

Can't go chaos/erebus into the boss of the biome

[naive flicker]

when you have forced overtime 2 and the big cartwheel starts charging at you at the speed of light

[naive flicker]

i meant sisyphys patrolcus and the other one

[hot bloom]

Speaking of which HOW TF do you deal with the chariots big and small with the gauntlets.. i cant do itt i get hut everytimeee

[mint coral]

For the flamewheels (small) dash through walls

They'll blow themselves up

[naive flicker]

either a dash or long knuckles

[primal compass]

I got Divine Dash it’s so over

[mint coral]

Is like dodging asterius's charge

[flint imp]

I HATE THOSE THINGS

DESTROY THEM ALL

[mint coral]

Most casts are enough too

Or your special

[naive flicker]

athenas t2s over aphros t2s?

[hot bloom]

I have the festive fog

[mint coral]

Do this then

Just lead them around to any pillar/wall you can dash through

[hot bloom]

I would rathwr fighttt EVERY BOSS at the same time then those fluffers

[mint coral]

With big chariots, assuming they are unarmored

Just do your attack combo > dash strike > continue

Should stagger them to death

For armored lead them to walls or dash through them so they chill out for a sec and chip at them

Or click funny breaching cross hammer

[lavish sorrel]

Be careful what you wish for

[mint coral]

Ultra barge mod

[hot bloom]

Im not console sooo cant do mods ha!

Oh gawd not more chariots

[naive flicker]

how many times do normal poison spitters spit at you?

[indigo badge]

the satyrs? once

armored ones shoot three

the miniboss one will chain you up and force you to watch as it torments your loved ones

[primal compass]

I got all the crap boons from Poseidon after using a death defied on trial of the gods I think I just sunk my run

[naive flicker]

and they both cant be staggered right?

[naive flicker]

sounds about right

[indigo badge]

yes they can, for the armored ones you just have to strip their armor bar first

[primal compass]

Patroclus replenished all my death defied we’re so back

[naive flicker]

they usually got a shot out between every hestia shot so i thought they might not be able to get staggered

[indigo badge]

oh yeah that's a railgun thing, you can't stagger enemies with the railgun attack

[hot bloom]

I still fear the little rodent more than anything in the game.. i like physically cant go into mini boss fights if normal tunnels are still there

[indigo badge]

i don't remember if it includes Hestia's powershot though 🤔

[naive flicker]

oh thats a little bit of good balancing

[naive flicker]

it might but i also cant confirm since i dont pay much attention

[naive flicker]

high chance to get better boons

sometimes you clear a miniboss faster than normal rooms

depending on the build

consider it more tbh

[indigo badge]

unfortunately miniboss rooms are faster than normal rooms

[naive flicker]

is asterious really faster than normal rooms tho?

[indigo badge]

oh no he's an exception

[naive flicker]

if you get the pink ball its a lot fasster but that i think its comparable

yea

[hot bloom]

Hes so adorable and nice

[mint coral]

Tony is also slower

[hot bloom]

I love talking to him

Tony?!

[mint coral]

Tony the vermin

Typo of tiny vermin that stuck around

[hot bloom]

Ohhhh okay okay

Got itt lol

[mint coral]

The biggest time loss for minibosses is prob barge

[hot bloom]

But i like the barge

Its so fun

[naive flicker]

barge? which one wa that

[hot bloom]

Asphodel miniboss

[indigo badge]

is it an in-game thing btw? i haven't fought him so long i may have been gaslit by this community 😭

[hot bloom]

“The barge of death” i believe

[mint coral]

Nah is a community thing

[naive flicker]

the big dusa head with the large rock?

[mint coral]

Happened in old speedcord I think?

[hot bloom]

Nahh other one

The boat

[mint coral]

^

You get multiple encounters of normal enemies

[naive flicker]

wait huuuuuuuh

i have no clue what the boat is referring to

[hot bloom]

Sheettt i nerfed myself on accident

Stupid anvil

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/6J1oE_9nySA

[hot bloom]

Boney boat

[naive flicker]

ohhh

[indigo badge]

just enable middle management! 😃 👍

[mint coral]

[naive flicker]

doesnt meg make this like just as easy as other minibosses or nah

[mint coral]

MM barge is faster, just slow down every other miniboss lol

[hot bloom]

COME AT ME HADES RAHHHHH

[mint coral]

Nop

Normal barge is 3 waves of enemies

MM barge is a big shield crystal and spawning enemies

[naive flicker]

oh i have middle management on

[mint coral]

Killing the crystal ends the barge

Yeah

Normal barge stinks

[naive flicker]

and im guessing its not worth turning on middle management for that to be faster cuz it makes others slower

[mint coral]

Yeah lol

[naive flicker]

unfortunate

[mint coral]

Styx hits you with double minibosses

[naive flicker]

you also turn on tight deadline on speedruns yea?

[mint coral]

You have the 4 bombers tartarus

For in game time nope

[naive flicker]

rta

[mint coral]

Rta yes

[naive flicker]

thats pretty cool

[mint coral]

It removes survival rooms in tartarus

Which pause in game timer so for igt you keep it off

[naive flicker]

yea

[hot bloom]

STOPP with the spear stab dammit

[naive flicker]

400hp trol

[hot bloom]

Heheheheh ima go insane… hades second phase starts he sends out the wave and i decide to walk into it losing a death defiance 😂😭

[mint coral]

I lost my first dad fight like that

Fully knowing the wave was a thing

[hot bloom]

It was my first death defiance so im chillin but dang it

Victoryyyy!!!

Okay ny best clear time this save file is 24 minutes

[naive flicker]

hades can start a combo from the spin attack

thats pretty unfortunate

he also does damage dashing to his spear correct?

[mint coral]

Did you have a charm effect

From aphro

[naive flicker]

i did yea

is that really vhy

[mint coral]

Charm will cause repeated moves after it ends

[naive flicker]

threw me off heavy

[mint coral]

Often without the animation

[naive flicker]

so he does the moves but they dont come out while he is in the charm state

[hot bloom]

It took me awhile to realize hades is using zagreus moves but slower.. second phase? Thats just a death defiance, he dashes, laser beam of lava? Bloodstone.. you use the spear you stab and spin.. what does hades do?

Wait no the skulls is the bloodstone

[mint coral]

Yeah was gonna say lol

[naive flicker]

yea lmao

[hot bloom]

So the laser beam is… the special?

[mint coral]

Laser feels call coded for me

[naive flicker]

is some sort of ult i think

yea

[mint coral]

Em4 ||also adds a companion||

[hot bloom]

Oh truee

[naive flicker]

the fight is not difficult if i take it slow with em4 but the thing is i need to do it with FO2 which makes it a different beast

[mint coral]

Fo2 super dad is insane

[naive flicker]

not even mentioning MM

[naive flicker]

i find myself not bothering to dodge and just run away which makes me run into stupid situations

[naive flicker]

didnt think of it tht way lmao thats pretty cool

[mint coral]

MM doesn't work on super dad btw

[naive flicker]

super dad?

[mint coral]

Em4

His summons aren't affected by it

They just get a darkness effect from em4

[naive flicker]

does he get the ||mini boss summons||

ohh

[mint coral]

If his summons were affected by MM you'd see the B.ball do the dash or the head crusher/Mario enemy thing do the waves after it slams

[naive flicker]

but are they stronger from mm?

ok ok

yea i remember he doesnt do the shockwave after slamming yet i still instinctively dodge it lmao

[mint coral]

The head crushers are funny

They can pierce through the acorn keepsake for no reason

Sometimes

[naive flicker]

once you lose the tempo in hades things just get messy

thats lovely

also do they just have tp built in or is that the pact of punishment adding curses to armored foes

hades without summons is 10times easier tbh

he keep talking bout how im boosted cuz of the olympians

ig like father like son

[hot bloom]

I wanna player numero 2… why isnt it on console! Rahhhh

I guess i will stick with the like best game ever ugh

[naive flicker]

pesudotech with the bow actually feels really good wtf

so like the main combo would be dash attack attack then repeat

[indigo badge]

it's very hard to do in actual runs

and even harder in serious speed/heat runs

[naive flicker]

well yea you gotta make sure you dont get hit

and the perfect shot timing is off a bit but you can get used to it fairly easily

[naive flicker]

still good for swarm rooms if you dont have a dash maybe

i can see good usage

is peer pressure fake?

[mint coral]

Peer pressure bad

[naive flicker]

concentrated volley or relentless volley?

im more of a relentless but im not sure which is better in numbers

[naive flicker]

RI1 or AP1

i had both of em for JS0

but im thinking of going JS2 to remove one

cuz i usually have enough time with TD3 anyways

[lofty gust]

whats the best build for nemesis?

[naive flicker]

ME

[lofty gust]

alr

so start with ares

[naive flicker]

i think going for crit on the attack isnt bad also

if you dont wanna build into a duo boon

artemis that is

[amber crest]

I would just recommend a standard crit build but alright

ME isn’t bad

Just weaker when you don’t have it

[keen lake]

Can you still get 32 heat trophy while on god mode?

[gray apex]

I think so

[keen lake]

Ok

[indigo badge]

yes, godmode doesn't block any progression

[naive flicker]

just got edged by aphrodite 3 times

now i dont have an attack boon and im at styx

maybe ap1 isnt as good as i thought

it might be doable if i find a good shop item maybe its running low on time and im getting unlucky

[vagrant python]

dark foresight or uhhh other one

[rustic vale]

Dark foresight

[vagrant python]

and fam fav?

[rustic vale]

Overwhelmingly

[rustic vale]

For 99% of builds yeah

[vagrant python]

ok thank gods

thats what ive been going

[naive flicker]

dude every single attack boon is getting crossed off lmaooo

[rustic vale]

AP1 is one of the worst options you could turn on

[naive flicker]

i was gonna run shackle ngl

im at 3:11 till deadline is it doable?

3 phases

[rustic vale]

Probably

[naive flicker]

i need the healing

[naive flicker]

no attack boon

[rustic vale]

I haven’t used em4 in like 4 years

[naive flicker]

i got like no chaos no attack boon no life no family

[rustic vale]

No attack boon depends on the weapon tbh but generally bad

[naive flicker]

it takes like 4 to 5 mins depending on the build

hestia

[rustic vale]

What is this pact

[naive flicker]

what exactly

[rustic vale]

EM4 AP1 there had to have been better options if it wasn’t 50 heat

[naive flicker]

running 40 heat em3 ap1

no i aint running em4 thats insane

especiall for like 40heat

[rustic vale]

wdym 3 phases

[naive flicker]

i ran em4 for 32practice

[naive flicker]

i said 2

oh

i said 3

[rustic vale]

.

[naive flicker]

missinput

[rustic vale]

Depends on everything else you have tbh

[naive flicker]

i legit tried going for ares attack which i think is probably worse than base damage right?

[rustic vale]

not exactly?

[naive flicker]

fo2 not gonna help me rn

[rustic vale]

it has some use

[naive flicker]

i alr have it on the special

i have a chaos modifier for undamaged foes

yep i got this

[rustic vale]

Ares on strike with hestia does like shred armour w/ strike and doom drop on the hp bar

But

I wouldn’t really build it

[naive flicker]

i like ares on the special

[rustic vale]

eh

[naive flicker]

it feels alright

mainly for the duo boon

[rustic vale]

it’s like fine

which duo even

I can’t think of a duo makes curse of pain worth it

[naive flicker]

doom strikes weak foes

like

idk what its called

[rustic vale]

there’s a reason curse of longing isn’t on my radar

[naive flicker]

alr fk it im going for it

1dash from heremes all i need

[rustic vale]

Yeah if it’s regular hades you should be fine~

Actually idk if you’re outputting 34k damage in 3:11

W/ no strike boons on hesty

[naive flicker]

HL5 moment

3 40 attemps all 3 died to hades em3

[rustic vale]

Learn Stubborn Def w/ LC4 💔

[naive flicker]

like something is wrong with me

[naive flicker]

but i die like 3 times to hades

[rustic vale]

Nothing is wrong with you, it does in fact take more attempts to beat harder and harder pacts

like

give yourself time

[naive flicker]

was running JS1 for less RI

[rustic vale]

WDYM less RI

What the cooked is this pact

[naive flicker]

its really all about hades imma be honest

and its hard to get used to the timings at FO2

[rustic vale]

yeah

so

you play a bunch

[naive flicker]

lmao trol

[rustic vale]

to get used to it

it’s an adjustment you can make and then just not turn off fo2 again after

[naive flicker]

that sounds like something i should do

[rustic vale]

cuz it’s beneficial for speedrunning as well if you ever want to try your hand at that

[naive flicker]

or i could just run FO1 and more RI 💀

[rustic vale]

don’t run any RI

losing dark foresight is

massive

like

[naive flicker]

i really should do that to get better times in my avg high heat run but its not something i wanna do

[rustic vale]

You should not need ri for 40 heat

[naive flicker]

i mean hestia doesnt even need setup

2 core boons id really love

and other than that its not a big deal

[rustic vale]

It’s not even better times for high heat it’s just you get used to it and then keep it on

Like

Td

Although you do turn off td for speed

[naive flicker]

stubborn defiance is way harder than you make it sound to be

althought i wouldnt have a problem doing it but hades is the big problem

i need less hard labor more LC maybe

i was running LC1 this run

[rustic vale]

It’s hard but it’s not resort to RI or AP instead hard

[naive flicker]

hmm

[naive flicker]

i really dont know tbh im postponing stubborn really hard hades isnt that hard of a fight unless i panic it

my question is

would you run SD for 40 heat

[rustic vale]

yeah

Although I’d run it for 32

[naive flicker]

but it just feels too low for it

man

[rustic vale]

I learned SD on 32 and then took it up to 40

like my 32 heat pacts pretty much all had hl5/lc4/fo2

[naive flicker]

sd is more of a room clear mirror option

it always clicked that way for me

till im doing like JS4 or whatever the max is i never touched it before it doesnt sound neccessary

[rustic vale]

Yeah and at 32 and 40 I found the avg room is a bigger problem than the bosses

[rustic vale]

JS3 +60% enemies 💔

[naive flicker]

its really good to just pin that down as soon as possible

[rustic vale]

I think like

[naive flicker]

see thats the diference

[rustic vale]

you can definitely chunk out

your learning

[naive flicker]

is there a speedrun catagory for that trol

[rustic vale]

Don’t learn SD and FO2 at the same time

do one and then the other

otherwise you make it too hard for yourself and die before you get proper experience

[naive flicker]

would learning sd without fo2 even worth

its completely different

[rustic vale]

I’d learn fo2, and then learn SS w/ fo2 on

Personally

[naive flicker]

im running fo2 since like 32 heat

even my 8 heat run had it for like experimenting with different heat settings

im pretty used to it till i get a mass skull room with the clone modifier than is enclosed

with hestia

they have blue shields

and tp

[rustic vale]

Pretty much the posterboy for why Hesty needs tidal dash

Other than styx, styx is a bigger reason

[naive flicker]

yk what fk it im running sd just one more attempt without it before

[naive flicker]

it does stagger enemies?

[rustic vale]

it kills enemies

[naive flicker]

poseidon is pretty good to have for purging boons

and hestia doesnt stagger so it might be the angle

[rustic vale]

tidal dash is your on-demand small fry clearing tbh

It’s a load of damage w/ good aoe

[naive flicker]

you do need to pom focus it a bit no?

[rustic vale]

Mainly the first pom

1 or 2 poms

[naive flicker]

alr yea ill go for it if i get the god

[rustic vale]

tbh if I was running Hesti I’d probably shoe them in asphodel or maybe even tartarus if I didn’t care which +% goddess was on my strike

w/ his keepsake

Cuz Hestia doesn’t really have a quick aoe option if you don’t find rocket bomb, and you can’t use rocket bomb multiple times in rapid succession

[naive flicker]

hestia does one shot most enemies in tartarus so it might not be bad

i just dont wanna do it right away just to get a feel for tidal dash

[rustic vale]

Hestia oneshots most tartarus enemies but is it really worth it to waste a hestia shot on a numbskull

Rather than just dashing into a crowd of them

[naive flicker]

yea i get what your saying

aphro strike got crossed off into poseidons dash getting crossed off

good run so far uhm

why is it possible to have aphros boon on but not get any aphro boons the whole floor

is that just insanely bad luck or what

i had plenty of boon rooms

and no aphro options

[primal compass]

Where can I send images

[naive flicker]

if its a victory screen you have the #h1-victory-boasting

[primal compass]

It’s a tier list lol

[naive flicker]

i mean you are free to send it where ever

[primal compass]

How do I get image perms then

[naive flicker]

oh i use imgur on google so i didnt know you needed those not sure

[mint coral]

Use embeds

Send it to a dm then right click > copy link

[naive flicker]

i dont even have sd unlocked

CP1 or JS1

[rustic vale]

anywhere as long as it's sent as an image link

[naive flicker]

i feel like jury summons 1 would overall be faster

[rustic vale]

this is what you get for running ap1

[naive flicker]

unless im overestimating CP1

[naive flicker]

im trynna remove that rn lmao

[rustic vale]

I feel like JS1 guarantees that you have to make more strikes because you have to deal with more enemies

[royal schooner]

There is a small screen rec I made when I was playing in the mobile of the time when I was giving Nectar to Skully

[rustic vale]

while cp1 can be remedied with chaos

[naive flicker]

still convinced its not hard but im getting mega unlucky especially without rerolls running RI with AP isnt the greatest idea i have to admit

[rustic vale]

see

I think that

[naive flicker]

hmm

but im running LC3 now taking chaos is meh

[rustic vale]

with ri1 and ap you often just end up bashing your end into a wall hoping for better rng

[naive flicker]

with dd that is cuz i need 300more for sd rn

[rustic vale]

When I ran ap1 for 40 heat I just ended up scorning ap1 everytime it crossed out what I wanted

which felt like all the time

[naive flicker]

yea thats not my favourite way of playing

[naive flicker]

first few runs i had with it were lucky so i had a better idea

also any idea how you aim meg companion on keyboard i just got it

[rustic vale]

once I turned it off and just ran like em3 instead I can't remember what I turned on ngl I was able to hit my builds again and like

atp the only thing to blame is myself and I can improve

[naive flicker]

you werent running em3 for 40heat?

wow

[rustic vale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8

[naive flicker]

you have those guides saved?

[rustic vale]

more like I know where to look

with the discord search function

[naive flicker]

so just run cp1 instead of js sounds good

[rustic vale]

tbh atp I've sent enough things that I can look at my own sent links and pull out 95% of what I need and then I rely on like somenoobdying for the other 5%

[naive flicker]

ORRRR more js less lc

better for me probably but ill resist for the greater good

[naive flicker]

trol

[rustic vale]

I don't like em3 asterius at fo2

his beyblade attack just makes you have to stop playing the game on melee weapons

[tepid harbor]

Mort is best, sue me

[naive flicker]

it can be rough with minimal movement

[tepid harbor]

EM3 is just a deadline draining hassle that usually costs a DD or 2

[naive flicker]

just focus other guy no?

[rustic vale]

Mort just doesn't win out in the speed or heat arguements I can't say anything for those who enjoy the big number

[naive flicker]

its pretty annoying nevertheless

[rustic vale]

even once Theseus is down

it's like

annoying

[naive flicker]

asphodel timesave for me is pretty good to make floor3 playaable without running out of time

[rustic vale]

I don't like it so I avoid em3

[naive flicker]

but yea i ran out of time once there its pretty annoying

but like not in a million years im taking more lc over em3

thats bold asf

[tepid harbor]

what's lc again?

[naive flicker]

no healing

[rustic vale]

lasting consequences

-25% healing per

[naive flicker]

lasting consequences

[tepid harbor]

Oh yeah, I remember it

It's horrible with Guan Yu

[naive flicker]

also some questions about hellmode

what exactly does it do

[tepid harbor]

Basically, you start with the pact

[naive flicker]

lmao

[rustic vale]

lmao

[naive flicker]

trol

[tepid harbor]

There's also a permanent pact turned on at the bottom, that stops your innate damage invincibility

[naive flicker]

ik there is an extra modifier but what else is it

[tepid harbor]

That's it

[naive flicker]

after dd

like the iframes you get

[tepid harbor]

there are also i frames on normal damage

Very miniscule though

Try stand in front of hammer wretches in Tartarus to test it

A group tho

[naive flicker]

so if you get caugh in a combo of one of those asphodel skeletons your kinda fked

but you are fked anyways even without hellmode

[tepid harbor]

Yeah or in the bomb miniboss in Tartarus

[naive flicker]

thats so lovely

for 1 heat

[rustic vale]

you start with 5 pact options automatically turned on

and you can't turn them off

[naive flicker]

5??

[rustic vale]

iirc it's the first 4 at level 1

so hl1, lc1, cf1, js1

and the hellmode only pact Personal Liability

[tepid harbor]

js means that loyalty card is even more necessary

Charon is gonna be eating good I guess

[naive flicker]

js1 ew

[tepid harbor]

wdym it's free heat

JS, FO, and DC are free

[naive flicker]

for most weapons

[rustic vale]

js and dc are not free

fo sure once you adjust to it

[naive flicker]

fo2 em4 is free

dc2 on hestia free

[tepid harbor]

unless you suddenly love arthur or Rama, it is

[rustic vale]

DC is free for like eris and I've run out of fingers to count on

[naive flicker]

on some weapons sure i understand

[tepid harbor]

Only Arthur, Rama, and Hestia actually are affected

[rustic vale]

it like doubles the average number of bow-shots you need to kill most enemies

[naive flicker]

but free is like UC CF EX2 a

[rustic vale]

that is such a lie

[tepid harbor]

MM too, except in Asphodel

[naive flicker]

yea mm is not that bad

[tepid harbor]

Tell that to the old me still trying to fight the gorgon head and the rock

[naive flicker]

dude IVE LOST ALL 3 OF DDS ON THAT MINIBOSS

its genuinely probably the easiest miniboss

[rustic vale]

power couple

oh that was not meant to be a reply

[naive flicker]

you just wanna finish it really fast you start choking

[rustic vale]

I typed something out and then deleted it and forgot to unreply

[naive flicker]

dc on rama is free no?

isnt rama the shared suffering weapon

[tepid harbor]

It's what Zag describes the miniboss as to Hypnos right?

[naive flicker]

the special can take out the shields easily

[rustic vale]

yeah but even then you now have to use shared suffering on every enemy

where before you didn't have to if you had your breakpoints down

[tepid harbor]

Yk some people do Rama Special only runs?

Insanity imo

[naive flicker]

yea ok its atleast workable around

i mean sht its a 64heat weapon

[rustic vale]

Yes but it's a matter of you didn't have to use it and now you actually literally have to use it on every enemy

[naive flicker]

that sounds like suffering

[rustic vale]

so it's not free, you do have to alter your playstyle

[tepid harbor]

Can we all agree the most broken build is Merciful End Zag Fists with Plume?

[naive flicker]

yea thats a better way to put it

hestia wr heat is 60right?

[rustic vale]

not when bugowulf and eris exist

[naive flicker]

dude i never understood the eris hype

[rustic vale]

iirc yeah lemme check the heat leaderboards

[naive flicker]

mind you i havent tried it

[tepid harbor]

it buffs EVERYTHING

[naive flicker]

i mean it just doesnt sound that insane

[rustic vale]

it's almost like a +75% global damage buff is insane

[naive flicker]

i did see a clip of eris legit melting a room in 2nanoseconds

[tepid harbor]

75% applies to your Zeus lightning too btw?

[naive flicker]

but idk

[naive flicker]

youre only using the attack for that bonus tho

[rustic vale]

that's what global additive means

[naive flicker]

unless you waant a cast build with eris which idk how viable that sounds

[tepid harbor]

Thanks

[rustic vale]

you get it on your strike, your special, your dash, your lightning strikes, your call

[naive flicker]

75% of 13

[tepid harbor]

Hunting Blades is always viable anywhere

[tepid harbor]

and of the 22 on Zeus lightning

[rustic vale]

75% of lightning, jolted, strike, tidal dash,

all together

add up

massively

[tepid harbor]

Pair that with Chaos and jerky

[rustic vale]

jolted is also like 50% of your damage on lightning strike builds

[naive flicker]

double strike

[tepid harbor]

especially if you get the dem duo

[rustic vale]

no

not on rail you don't need it

[tepid harbor]

nah that's lightning bolts

this is chain lightning

Weird, ik, but there's a diff

[naive flicker]

double strike is good on any zeus build what??

[tepid harbor]

you can't get double strike on atk

[rustic vale]

double strike doesn't do anything for lightning strike wdym

[tepid harbor]

it's special or dash, or aid

[rustic vale]

it only affects lightning bolts not chain lightning

guys why do I only have images prior to my 40 heat win and after my 40 heat win

I've been looking for it to find my pact

[naive flicker]

doesnt double strike combo really well with jolted?

[tepid harbor]

on special, yeah

[rustic vale]

double strike doesn't affect jolted

[naive flicker]

hmm damn

[tepid harbor]

idk man i don't have your SSD hidden here

BTW i js finished 16 all weapons, what do I do now?

[rustic vale]

nah I'm looking harder now

[latent moon]

32

[tepid harbor]

I did that on Fist, Rail and Bow, the rest are hopeless

Know any broken builds for them?

[latent moon]

Shield is objectively speaking the easiest tbf lmao

[tepid harbor]

Zeus or Beo?

[latent moon]

Guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[latent moon]

Personal preference

Generally beo tho

[naive flicker]

this is the only real 40heat setup

https://imgur.com/a/P03nDZJ

[rustic vale]

idk

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1197248750532440174/IMG_6318.jpg?ex=686d65c9&is=686c1449&hm=d3957bccfd86e675e70a9c260b3b7e201a7b1bc06fb3589f5fbd8a6fba69c155&=&format=webp&width=1889&height=1134

[latent moon]

Love taking cp1 and ri1 10 heats earlier than normal

[rustic vale]

I did find it eventually

[naive flicker]

its for the cause

[rustic vale]

iirc there was a ton of either glare or brightness that made it unreadable so I put a ton of filters on it

[naive flicker]

you really took js2 and hs

[rustic vale]

I know hs has big problems however

I got so used to killing myself in the magma that it felt wrong without it ngl

like

to pop my sd

[naive flicker]

my biggest problem is that i lag at lernies bossfight

its really bad so he just tps and slams my ahh

[rustic vale]

yeah the purple head sucks for heat tbh

[naive flicker]

hs gonna be a 50 thing but thats not happening anytime soon

gotta love randomly trynna setup pact setup for 50 heat knowing damn well sht aint happening

[rustic vale]

when you break it down to +75% to any individual part it seems less important

but it's +75% to every strike, every attached lightning strike, and rail shoots pretty fast. its +75% to jolted, which is a pretty large number, and also +75% to tidal dash, which is a high number w/ good aoe. It's +75% to your call, be it zeus or dionysus or someone less damaging

it's +75% to your special, and you can get a ton of hammers that boost the damage and quantity of your specials

if you take Eris for granted you may as well take Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery for granted and that's a damage boost pretty much every aspect and their mom would kill to have in a run

[naive flicker]

didnt know its attached to every chained strike

that doesnt seem balanced

[rustic vale]

it's a global damage boost

[naive flicker]

thought theyd take the first number of damage and then apply a % to cut from the first strike damage to deal to the chainned foes

[rustic vale]

oh for chain lightning?

[naive flicker]

yea

[rustic vale]

chain lightning does 80% of the damage for each subsequent foe

so

80% -> 64%

but

[naive flicker]

lmao rush delivery on that is nutso brain

[outer cairn]

Hard stuck on rank 3

I mean 2

[rustic vale]

it's 80% of the initial number so you do (lightning damage plus all global additive) * 80%^(amount of foes it's hit already)

[naive flicker]

also if you had to choose selling tidal dash demeter special or aphros attack (you have hazzard bomb)

[naive flicker]

hmm

[rustic vale]

ngl probably dem special

[naive flicker]

but 80% with the 300%

like holy hell

[rustic vale]

I'd just rather keep my strike damage and tidal dash

[outer cairn]

Guys where can I find builds for malphon fists

[rustic vale]

you can pick up another +% strike later

there are a few builds for fists

[naive flicker]

my tidal dash is level 2

so sure

ill trust you on this one

really wanted to get rid of tidal

[naive flicker]

#h1-builds-and-combat

[rustic vale]

it's mainly like

a lightning strike focused one, a drunken strike focused one and MErciful end

I talked about this last night I can just grab the same stuff

[naive flicker]

trol

[vagrant python]

gods legacy and fated persuasion is good?

or should i lean for epic rarity increase

[naive flicker]

wait is the 80% of the special additive or multiplicitive

[outer cairn]

My build rn is just a switch between Athena ares and artimis

[naive flicker]

over the 300% from hazzard

[naive flicker]

depends on what youre shooting for in a build they are both good you can check out mirror guide on youtube

also yes fated is the better option

[rustic vale]

gods pride and fated persuasion

for like

90% of builds

[vagrant python]

wait

for hidden aspects all the information i read is conflicting

[rustic vale]

some builds need the duos that badly, but for most builds the rarity on your strike, and hermes boons and chaos boons is more important and you can either find the duos later

[rustic vale]

oh gosh

[vagrant python]

do i need to spend 5 on the individual weapon

[rustic vale]

just use the guide pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[naive flicker]

why did haelian say 50/50 between both

[rustic vale]

it's going to depend on what part you're at

[naive flicker]

i mean i personally prefer gods pride

[rustic vale]

it depends on your outlook I think

[vagrant python]

ah thanks

[naive flicker]

16 healing from the well brooooooo 😭

[vagrant python]

so guan yu doesnt need the 5 on spear

just 5 across all

[rustic vale]

it depends on how many builds your weighing in, and the importance you put on getting the duo for each build

[naive flicker]

he do be trynna spam broken build

[vagrant python]

and the others need five on same one

[naive flicker]

builds*

[rustic vale]

see so he probably likes the consistency of finding the duos more so he can make the content

but for like

general play

getting the duo with an epic curse of agony is like

usuallygoing to do like 75-50% more damage over the course of a run than a ME build with a common curse of agony

depending on how many poms you get

[naive flicker]

yea pretty understandable tho i didnt wanna give my opinion on that since it did conflict with someone better than me

[rustic vale]

from my perspective it's like, whether I'm doing heat or speedrunning

if I have a run where my really important things have good rarity scaling

and I need a duo

a run is going to go significantly better if I find the duo with the epic boons

[naive flicker]

you just run ap1 anyways

[rustic vale]

than if I find the duo with common boons

[naive flicker]

relatable

[naive flicker]

yea thats a good point

[rustic vale]

so like my run might hit the duo, but I might not have the raw stats I want for a fast enough completion, or the raw stats I need for heat

[naive flicker]

wait isnt LC3 without sd is just a throw?

[rustic vale]

also rarity on hermes and chaos is just massive

[naive flicker]

last time i saw an epic chaos boon was in 1998

[rustic vale]

chaos and hermes have worse rarity odds

so buffing them is more impactful

[naive flicker]

yea

dude running high lc is so bad without sd

[rustic vale]

I don't entirely follow

[naive flicker]

im almost dead is asphodel

[rustic vale]

oh like lc3 with dd's

[naive flicker]

like its bad to have high lc without sd

yea

[rustic vale]

I think I've done that

[naive flicker]

ok but you are miles better than me

im 1 hp and just got rush delievery thats so sad this run gonna die

UNLESS patrocles shows up

[rustic vale]

actually the run I was thinking of did have sd

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1250564469650886726/0389D341-64F1-46E7-BB9A-C2D5FF848DE4.jpg?ex=686d8f6b&is=686c3deb&hm=9ef671b64965e29710f69625f6542074f6fd53f2d77e7500e32f54b653a57a77&=&format=webp&width=1790&height=1134

[naive flicker]

wAIT do you know if patroclus is guaranteed when burning the contract achillies signed?

[rustic vale]

story rooms are never guaranteed

[naive flicker]

unlucky

[naive flicker]

yeb its cooked

[rustic vale]

that's possibly one of my silliest 32 pacts

[naive flicker]

you legit did your firsst 32 on your second clear

thats highk insane

[rustic vale]

second clear on my second save file*

[naive flicker]

just died to magma

[naive flicker]

oh

[rustic vale]

I wanted to see how early I could do it

[naive flicker]

on hellmode right away

fking 32heat zag sword

[rustic vale]

atp I'd just learn to do Fresh File

[naive flicker]

trolling

[rustic vale]

my usual 32 heat pact looks more like

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1250564181946536158/IMG_8707.jpg?ex=686d8f27&is=686c3da7&hm=362ae99aa22343f4eaf24ad7c7a9ef46cfd8a57199d62aa93478d6cc2d8b3d51&=&format=webp&width=1809&height=1134

[vagrant python]

what does powershot is easier to execute even mean

like it charges faster?

[rustic vale]

the window is increased

[vagrant python]

window for?

oh

i see

mb gang reading might be op

[rustic vale]

you have 60% more time

to release after the powershot window

and it'll still count

[naive flicker]

32 is so much less restrictive its insane

[rustic vale]

I like 32 alot because it's like

the last checkpoint

[naive flicker]

you have so many options

its fun

[rustic vale]

before you have to start playing "so this is the lesser of 2 evils"

with your pacts

the rest you have to turn on are just annoying

I guess you could reasonably put the number at 36 with hl5 and em3

but

eh

I don't find em3 fun

[primal compass]

My tierlist/meme

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/udo6xfFOgP

[naive flicker]

between 32 and 40 isnt real

aphro on c is criminal

no d for dio unlucky

[rustic vale]

lowkey what even uses demeter athena and dionysus together

[primal compass]

This isn’t together, I just like them equally

[naive flicker]

braindamage

[rustic vale]

I can maybe see this being chiron aside from aphro being in c and arte being in b

mmm

rail but it's weird because zeus and ares are lower than the other three

every weapon would have hermes in S so I don't really factor him in here at all

[naive flicker]

zeus probably best god tbh

[rustic vale]

it's like putting a hammer in S tier

[primal compass]

What is even the point of aphro? Like what does she specialize in that other gods dont also do

[rustic vale]

I could see it being demeter fists if you really loved drunken strike but knew about ares and zeus strike, and prefered athena/demeter over aphrodite special

[naive flicker]

slow hitting high base damage weapons id say

high number always fun

[primal compass]

Ah

[rustic vale]

aphro has the largest +% of strike and special, the weaken debuff is extremely powerful and she opens good duos for crit builds

[naive flicker]

something like the hidden sword aspect

[rustic vale]

and smouldering air is always good

[naive flicker]

some bow aspects

hestia

[rustic vale]

like all you need is an aphro boon anywhere and zeus call and you're set

[primal compass]

I’ll say none of you have guessed it

[naive flicker]

yea not even mentioning the duo potential

[rustic vale]

maybe by a strech I could see this being guan-yu

but ultimately this does puzzle me

[tepid harbor]

Guys what is actually the best call?

[rustic vale]

zeus, dionysus, and hades for dps

zeus and dionysus are easily splashable on anything

Hades is mainly for castpect damage

[primal compass]

Gotta go, the answer was ||Talos||

[tepid harbor]

How does Hades work with Smoldering?

[rustic vale]

it doesn't

[rustic vale]

oh I can see that

[tepid harbor]

What was the question?

[rustic vale]

based off her god tierlist

which aspect/weapon did she like building

[naive flicker]

oh there was a question i missed it

dude but every time i see that 10hp on the fountain its just depressing

[rustic vale]

arthur, nemesis, guan-yu special, zeus special, regular shields (zag and chaos) strikes, zag bow, chiron, hera, rama, fist special w/ zeus or dionysus on strike, every single rail on special

[naive flicker]

ahpro is balanced

[rustic vale]

everything is viable for the part of the game 98% of gamers are going to experience

0-20 heat and you could argue 0-32 heat as well

[naive flicker]

dio is arguable

[rustic vale]

32 heat+ and speedrunning are where game balance really falls apart but likeeee that is bound to happen

[rustic vale]

wdym by this

[naive flicker]

i am forming my opinion on weapon limits so its kinda bad

[naive flicker]

to be used by many players

dio is like my fav god but he also is the least useful one

[rustic vale]

I mean

dio call

brings him up there

[naive flicker]

yea but thats about it

ig cast builds too

[rustic vale]

strong drink and premium vintage are nice secondary boons

[naive flicker]

dio and zeus duo isnt that bad

[rustic vale]

strong drink is free global additive and premium vintage just complements me not taking max hp boosts when I'm speedrunning

[naive flicker]

still probably the weakest of the t2 boons

[rustic vale]

he literally has the highest quantity of generic t2s

at like 4

[naive flicker]

idk its just that id rather take most other t2s than hi

s

[rustic vale]

2 of them are great and 2 of them are decent-eh

I think I'd take strong drink or premium vintage over any ares t2 depending on the weapon

of course some wewapons would prefer battle rage

but like battle rage is not proccing on eris

that +200% damage is bound to be on a 10 damage strike

and not a special

[naive flicker]

yea thats true

whats the record heat on eris

[rustic vale]

so strong drink would go a lot farther for purely having global additive, and premium vintage is really nice cuz it's essentially a free pom w/ extra max hp attached, and almost a guarantee for future max hp

58

by Haelian

I believe

nope

there is a more recent one

60

61

Playad

[naive flicker]

hestia has higher heat record so its better therefore any opinions are hestia are more accurate

[naive flicker]

pretty crazy

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1391979234964275211/image.png?ex=686ddd2f&is=686c8baf&hm=609745623b1eaab093b0f4a8ce2e5ae097d5358dfec73c1f33704f7d6e6ab594&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1059&height=936

[naive flicker]

do they have a list for heat records with videos or no

[rustic vale]

point me to where Hestia is higher

[naive flicker]

there you go

[rustic vale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npg3u3wLEBg

[naive flicker]

63 has never been done

ig its just 64 but why tf would you go for it

[naive flicker]

can i get the list

[rustic vale]

yeahh

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fYeJpxFXZBO2UycHOz4qt90T3ZurFZKCtg07UQNZVyc/edit?gid=1880723554#gid=1880723554

[naive flicker]

ty

[rustic vale]

bruh

ok I'll send the modded on later

for heats completed w/ the speedrun modpack

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-eAhomftrsnM8BV6TMA4CA58wneoBLcAvlQXiYrGAnU/edit?gid=2008010284#gid=2008010284

[naive flicker]

100 64 heat runs on that

[rustic vale]

I should ask Timothy if he's ever around in the speedrunning discord if he thinks that zag bow 60 would be easier or harder than his chiron 60 moddede

[naive flicker]

8 damage per second on the poison holy sht

[rustic vale]

cuz as far as I'm aware the reason that chiron has a 60 heat completion at all is just because he's so cracked

[naive flicker]

lmao

[rustic vale]

it's his only modded submission

he has 1 modded submission

he has no unmodded submissions

he literally came in just to do the 60 heat w/ chiron on modded and dipped from heat

[naive flicker]

legendary

[rustic vale]

he's mainly a heat speedrunner it seems

[latent moon]

timothy moment

im pretty sure he's done a lot of heat

but they're not like records or anythign so he didnt' submit them

i remember him doing rama speed 50 heat at one point

[rustic vale]

is the dude who has 1st place modded 50, 2nd place modded 40, and 3rd place modded 32

him

[latent moon]

or 40 idk but rama speed heat

[latent moon]

btw the 61 heat eris run is effectively 64 heat with less rng lmfao

[rustic vale]

I think it's him

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795057063226769450/1391981943041691808/image.png?ex=686ddfb4&is=686c8e34&hm=1610c76bf872f643c89f25974ce5bf5faae46e1256a43a771475335f29b361b6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1280&height=1290

w/ the chibi hermes pfp

[latent moon]

playad is an extremely talented player and the only reason why he didn't do 64 unmodded eris is bc resetting takes way too long, so ap1 instead of ap2 is an extremely understandable pick

also considering most people don't run 61 heat, they always save ri for last and keep ap2 on the whole time

[naive flicker]

yea nobody wants to sit through it

[rustic vale]

I think playing modded if you can is totally justifiable like

[latent moon]

it's only ever like 60 -> 62, never 61

[rustic vale]

unmodded means you reset like 10x as much at least

[latent moon]

playad already did 64 modded eris anyways so he doesn't need to prove he can do it unmodded lmao

genuinely unreal player

[naive flicker]

he did guan yu 64 like wtf

[rustic vale]

playad seems really cool now just hand him zag bow and have him go at it so I don't have to tell people chiron technically beats it out in heat gameplay 🙏

[latent moon]

zeus, rama, guan yu, and eris

all modded

he did zeus and rama unmodded

only unmodded rama ever

and probably will ever unless someone wants to put in a couple thousand hours into rama

[naive flicker]

whatss the next closest weapon to 64

[latent moon]

none

fists and sword are considered impossible 64 bc of melee

and not enough dps

[rustic vale]

can't wait for Cherry to do gilgamesh 64

[naive flicker]

ok but if you had to choose

[latent moon]

fist

it's just better use of lightning strike

but 1 dash is gonna be hella painful

[naive flicker]

if we had to choose from all the aspects?

[rustic vale]

I mean which aspects have all done it?
zeus, rama, guan-yu, eris
If I had to pick the next, it'd probably beeeeee zag bow or zag rail I'm ngl

[latent moon]

rng into +1 dash, jolted, dio/zeus call or pos call + riptide, good poms

and not horrendous rooms

and long knuckle

and probably breaching cross

[naive flicker]

oh damn the list goes down to 32 thats pretty cool

[rustic vale]

zag shield looks like it has potential with a 62 heat completion though

[latent moon]

luci prob has the most dps out of the remaining aspects but is generally considered unsafe and really difficult

[naive flicker]

i meant which aspect is the closest to doing it

[latent moon]

maybe achilles

[rustic vale]

beo and zag both have 62

[latent moon]

no one's trying

unironically

beo does not have a 62

[rustic vale]

or

[latent moon]

who got past ri3 lmao