h1-discussion

[lavish sorrel]

You have no idea how much pseudotech changes attack efficiency

[buoyant harbor]

Maybe

Do you have a link to a video? All I was aware of was using Dash Strikes to increase draw speed.

[lavish sorrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNDe40Koqjg very advanced tech, guy who found it made a video detailing it (animation cancel was therefore named after him)

[buoyant harbor]

thx

[lavish sorrel]

All in all this makes chiron go from being the worst or second-worst aspect in the game to being somewhere along the lines of a mid-tier

[buoyant harbor]

Oh it's relatively recent. That explains why I didn't know of it before.

"Relatively" recent being less than a year old lmao

[lavish sorrel]

And it's relatively obscure, only ever discussed in the speedrunning discord

[buoyant harbor]

Well yeah I was active here talking about speedruns before my hiatus

But that was over a year ago

That cancel is insane though

It gives you a second attack in the timing window that Chiron would otherwise be the only one using by having a special worth doing so xD

[lavish sorrel]

yep :]

[buoyant harbor]

damn

This makes me lowkey sad

Bc it removes any right for Chiron to exist '^^

[lavish sorrel]

Hey the special is still viable at high heat due to being safer than attack, though it requires a LOT more to go right

But yeah chiron is just level 0 zagbow

[lavish sorrel]

Timothy has a modded chiron 60 using aphrodite special + relevant hammers, though that's likely more to the merit of the player than the aspect. And the modpack helps guarantee some amount of build at least.

[tepid light]

all this chiron slander sadge

leave chiron alone it tries its best

[rustic vale]

Nah I think Chiron tries like

40%

[tepid light]

LEAVE CHIRON ALONE

DON'T MAKE ME GO INTO ONE OF MY PATENTED 'FUN' RANTS

[rustic vale]

Hmm

Chiron

bad

every other bow aspect: goated

[tepid light]

TRY HARDER

[rustic vale]

ok but if I just tried harder with every other aspect then like trying harder w/ chiron isn’t doing a thing

[tepid light]

That actually got my eye to twitch, good work

[rustic vale]

thanks, I try

[buoyant harbor]

I love Chiron a lot as well, but I can admit that being able to get another attack in the time you'd need to special PLUS not relying on a boon on special is much better '^^

Chiron wins in terms of fun though

[tepid light]

Yeah jokes aside I'm obvs not gonna meltdown if the discussion is clearly about optimization

[rustic vale]

🤨 now that’s just downright subjective lol

[brisk trail]

I did, thank you

[rustic vale]

Being stuck in one place for 8 years when you special and needing to hit all 2 of 2 special hammers for your build your work out is painful to say the least

[buoyant harbor]

I love Chiron because it is the only of the three "regular" Bows that encourages using both halves of your kit. It's just unfortunate that the bow special is so underwhelming that even Chiron cannot save it.

[mint coral]

Rama?

[buoyant harbor]

Note that I said "the three 'regular' Bows".

[mint coral]

Oopsie

[tepid light]

This encapsulates the primary reason why I like Chiron

How often do you use your special on most of the other bow aspects

[tepid light]

Exactly

[old bluff]

A decent amount really, Zag Bow with Psuedo tech and Rama just uses it

[tepid light]

See above in regards to rama

As for pseudo tech, fine

And Rama special is fundamentally different from the 'regular' bow special

[old bluff]

Yeah, I forgot about only reg bows my b

[tepid light]

It's kewl

[buoyant harbor]

If you ask me, Pseudo tech doesn't count as "using" your special. It just cancels your animation to get another attack in. Not a single special bolt connects with a single opponent.

[lavish sorrel]

And it doesn't even activate chaos special-curses

[fiery bridge]

yo guys whats the best aspect for gauntlets, magneitc one right?

[mint coral]

Demeter aspect

[tepid light]

aspect of demeter

aspect of talos (the one you are thinking of) is most definitely not the best one, optimization-wise

[fiery bridge]

I'm cooked then

I've been using it A LOT

And I've paired it with poseidon boost to special attack

I thought I was cookin

[tepid light]

I mean if you find it fun and enjoy it then yeah keep using it 10000%

But if you're asking about which aspect is the 'best,' then you'll definitely not get a lot of people saying it's talos

[fiery bridge]

Idk I just found funny to attract and then knock back enemies repeatedly and they get almost perma stunned

[mint coral]

Yoyo talos is funny till you face a boss

I hope you had boss dmg somewhere else

[fiery bridge]

Thast where ares plus aphrodites throw enters

[mint coral]

Could go lightning strike instead if you wanna make the yoyo stronger too

Aim for sea storm and the usual double strike/jolted

[fiery bridge]

Oh you mean the doubles, I've only gotten aphrodite and ares and ares and dyonisus

Didn't know poseidon and zeus paired

[mint coral]

But yeah optimally Dem is the strongest cuz they all run the same build basically and dem does something before you get the duo

[mint coral]

Everyone has a duo

[fiery bridge]

And for hammer?

[buoyant harbor]

I repeat what I've said to someone else the other day: I don't know where you stand in the game, but if your goal is to get your first (or 2nd, or 10th, or 25th) succesful escape, or to get unlocks, or to progress the story, you do not need to worry about optimization. Optimization only really becomes important once you start going for speed or heat.

[mint coral]

Check the work orders for the boon index upgrade in case you haven't gotten it yet

[fiery bridge]

Oh I'm on my 3rd scape only

[mint coral]

It lists all boons + what you need to get them

[fiery bridge]

Will do, ty

[mint coral]

Also yeah early on it doesn't really matter

Hell my first escape was talos + blizzard shot

[fiery bridge]

Where can I send images so I can show my first scape build

[buoyant harbor]

I don't even remember my first succesful attempt... does the in-game record go all the way back?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[buoyant harbor]

#h1-victory-boasting

[mint coral]

If it's a victory screen just ^ yeah that

Otherwise send to other swrver/dm > right click > copy link

Or use imgur/similar sites

[fiery bridge]

Also, is it good to always search for athenas dash

Or just search for it till I get good

I usually get it on asphodels

[buoyant harbor]

So my first succesful attempt used Redacted's spear, Flaring Spin & Quick Spin for the hammers, Swift Strike from Hermes, and for my attack boon it was... Drunken Strike xD

[buoyant harbor]

Athena's dash makes the game significantly easier, yes.

[mint coral]

I wouldn't start with it but using her keepsake going into asphodel you can't go wrong with that really

[fiery bridge]

Ye hydra goes crazy sometimes

[buoyant harbor]

Yeah you usually wanna start with a boon that deals solid damage, usually an attack boon.

[fiery bridge]

Ye I go ares

Or aphrodite or artemis

[mint coral]

The "usual" keepsake choices go like
God 1 to start build > god 2 that complements (duo or whatever) > defensive > defensive

[buoyant harbor]

Although if you're still on escape 3, I'm gonna assume you haven't seen all boons yet, so just picking up whatever you haven't had yet will give you progress on the corresponding prophecy ^^

[lean aspen]

how on earth that some people clear game with only like 3-5 boons? i mean i collect like 16-20 boon every time and still i feel i need more

[mint coral]

Most builds don't really need much to peak their dmg

Heck stuff like hestia at its core is a 1 boon build

[buoyant harbor]

It's about the quality of the boons. Hunting Blades for example needs 3 boons, one of them being a duo, and everything beyond that is pretty much optional.

[mint coral]

Most optimized builds also have few boons cuz otherwise getting the build is a pain in the ass

(see merciful end)

[lean aspen]

how can i find builds

is there are list of them

[buoyant harbor]

#h1-builds-and-combat has a couple of pins

[mint coral]

If you only want the basics
Quick/low base dmg > go zeus/dionysus attack then focus on more zeus or poms
High base dmg/slow > aphro/arty for their % increase or crits

If you want detailed guides go to the pins there yeah

[buoyant harbor]

but

[buoyant harbor]

^

[mint coral]

Leecool's site is the one you should check

Even if not for the builds at least you can understand why X mirror upgrade is good

Or stuff like god pool

[buoyant harbor]

Dio Chiron is really fun

[mint coral]

I like dio eris instead

Free rare RD gud

[buoyant harbor]

I ran that to pretty high heat before pivoting first to the more optimal Quick Attack Sea Storm and then to the even more optimal Arty/Aphrodite '^^

[mint coral]

Flurry shot sea storm?

[buoyant harbor]

Flurry Shot with Lightning Strike, and then Sea Storm on the Special

[lean aspen]

oh then f it ill play randomly until spend 100 hour in game (now its 40)

[mint coral]

Something something society if zeus didn't have the internal cooldown

[buoyant harbor]

Yeah, that's why I ran sea storm and not just Thunder Flourish. I ran Thunder Flourish first until I learned about the internal cooldown '^^

At least Poseidon special has some decent %-damage to start out with.

[mint coral]

Still don't know why he has the 2nd highest special

[lean aspen]

how to change victory screen thing? or from where?

[buoyant harbor]

The contractor will have upgrades for it in the late game

If you mean the visual flourishes on the victory screen

If you mean the actual text on the vicoctory screen, that's a mod.

[lean aspen]

i think the late game is after the 50th victory

[buoyant harbor]

Not quite that late.

[mint coral]

I'd say that's early lol

[buoyant harbor]

Although I don't recall what unlocks it

[mint coral]

You need all contractor stuff in the work orders tab iirc

[rustic vale]

That’s early game

[buoyant harbor]

Yeah that checks out.

[lean aspen]

[buoyant harbor]

Well, post game begins after 10 victories.

[rustic vale]

you’re pretty much early game till you have all your bounties

[lean aspen]

i am now in 15

left 135

well i asked too much q's but how to get the hades role you guys have?

[buoyant harbor]

#server-roles , the onboarding should've pointed you there ;P

[rustic vale]

“Too many questions” the only way you can ask too many question is if you pull a repetive “but why” to the point of exasperation

[lean aspen]

well after using dc for 8 years you wont read it every time

[fervent radish]

but why

[mint coral]

Why tho

[buoyant harbor]

Everybody's born stupid. Only way to change that is to ask questions and listen to the answers. 😄

[rustic vale]

idk what the word why means, I can’t answer your question

[lean aspen]

yes

anyways seeya i have midterms in a week lemme study a little

[rustic vale]

The best part about my uni schedule is I can only really budget studying to two days before a given midterm or exam

[lean aspen]

its my first midterm i am junior so ill must study a loot ( 3 hours for each lesson)

[rustic vale]

I just finished my 9th midterm this semester 🫡

[lean aspen]

do you study medicence?

[rustic vale]

engineering

[lean aspen]

everything is clear now

my man will graduate after 5 years

[buoyant harbor]

Challenge Rooms exclude Duo Boons, right?

[mint coral]

If you mean the trials yeah

[twilit lodge]

But why

[buoyant harbor]

Because when two gods are in an argument, other gods will not interfere in that argument to avoid the crossfire.

And of course the two gods that are in the argument will also not help each other out with boon selection.

Does the Yarn of Ariadne increase the chance of finding a duo boon?

My guess is no, but I'd like some confirmation.

[mint coral]

+10% towards duo/legendary

[rustic vale]

Yep

[buoyant harbor]

Uh alright

[rustic vale]

Same thing with Eurydice

[mint coral]

Also +25% epic chance

Had to check the exclusive access rant to remember that

[buoyant harbor]

Well let's hope it's not too late for ME in Elysium '^^

[rustic vale]

Elysium gives you more gold laurels (boons & other in-run boosts) than other biomes

[buoyant harbor]

https://imgur.com/TkGIX38 alright that's actually a reset I fear '^^

The shop also had Artemis xD

[rustic vale]

I don’t see the issue

[buoyant harbor]

I still don't have ME

I'm gonna play Elysium out, but if I go over 8:30 without finding ME I'll reset in the first room of Styx

[rustic vale]

And? You can take her secondary boons, you can fill your cast core (unideal without ME but it ain’t the worst thing in the world)

[rustic vale]

At that point you may as well finish the run

[buoyant harbor]

I was hoping the Yarn would help me find ME

probably true

[rustic vale]

Are you speedrunning at less than 9 heat rn

[buoyant harbor]

I'm speedrunning at 6. I don't use FO2 yet

Although maybe I should, I'm honestly consistent enough at this point

[rustic vale]

You might as well throw it on as soon as possible like

You’re just delaying learning it

[buoyant harbor]

true

[rustic vale]

Once you have it on you don’t really ever turn it back off

[buoyant harbor]

I'm not entirely positive anymore, but I don't think I even had it on for 42 heat... I might be wrong though

I should check after this run

I need a 56 second Styx now for PB, although I did find ME. xD (Fist PB that is)

[lavish sorrel]

You beat 42 on chiron without FO2?

[buoyant harbor]

Frick I forgot to check

I'll do it right after this one. '^^

I might actually PB here. Didn't realize FO2 would cut off quite that much time '^^

As in, full PB

[buoyant harbor]

Whelp, I didn't

[buoyant harbor]

Ah, I did use FO2. I must've misremembered.

https://imgur.com/Bcre7Vl this' the run

[old bluff]

Nice pact and build

[buoyant harbor]

thx

[bright solstice]

why can i not gift nectar to artemis even tho the 7th slot is open?

[lean aspen]

what is best aspect of vartha? i unlocked the 4th one and its like meeeeh

[buoyant harbor]

The 7th slot requires Ambrosia.

[bright solstice]

oh

ok thanks

[old bluff]

Achilles

[lean aspen]

lmao

[old bluff]

I read what is the 4th aspect lmao

[lean aspen]

secret

[old bluff]

Achilles is the best spear aspect in case there was any confusion

[buoyant harbor]

Achilles is the fastest, and also subjectively the most fun

[lean aspen]

i was playing in god mode for 40 hour and i was wondering why the game is very easy and i turned it off and in the first run i escaped

[buoyant harbor]

A couple hours ago I found out that my first ever succesful clear was aspect of Redacted spear, and I actually used that Spin Attack xD

[lean aspen]

i think this is bcz of mirror i have everything max

kelban just for matter of wonder if u r playing the game from epic what ic percentage of achivemnt of you

[buoyant harbor]

I play it on Steam, and I have 100%

I'm also nearing 400h.

[lean aspen]

oh gosh even the clear without damage

i found ares irl

[buoyant harbor]

I don't know if that's an achievement on Steam

Since I don't recall ever going for it

[old bluff]

It’s not

[latent moon]

The butterfly achievement doesn't require complete hitless

[mint coral]

Than's keepsake is the most similar thing but that's not the whole run

[latent moon]

You just need to clear most rooms without taking damage

[old bluff]

It’s pretty easy with like Hestia

[latent moon]

guan Yu 64 tho

[old bluff]

I was gonna say Guan Yu is best at Uber high heat, but then I realized that that applies to like 8 people

[lean aspen]

is there anyone playing the game via epic games?\

[buoyant harbor]

I also don't have full rank on the resource manager yet, and I'm missing 4 Loyalty Cards for the final codex entry

[lean aspen]

if i only didnt waste my nectars by giving 15 to them to the same 3 chars

[lavish sorrel]

Operation: become astaos / mysterra / playad

[lean aspen]

i will have been founded all of keepsakes now

[buoyant harbor]

Oh and a couple of uses on some companions for their respective codex entries... that said, I should get those real quick, should be pretty easy if that's all I do in the run 😄

[rustic vale]

Having 5 times as much hp does do that to a gamer

[lavish sorrel]

Y'all heard it here first, I'm washed
I have been unable to reliably beat first run today or yesterday or the day before

[rustic vale]

How the Alex has fallen

😔

[mint coral]

[latent moon]

sounds like you might need level 2 aspect of zagreus sword to clear

[void sail]

how long does a 16 to 32 heat jump normally take

since i went a little dumb and did super spoiler boss because i forgot to take measures 4 off

[lavish sorrel]

Depends on what pact and aspect you use tbh, and if you know how to play the aspect you are playing

Note that one can, given great mechanical skill, get away with any build on any aspect at 32 and less, but you'd be making your task magnitudes more difficult than it needs to be. I would say that 32 heat, when following one of the meta strategies, can handily be done for the average human within at most 100 hours of total playtime given a few attempts.

[narrow loom]

eris rail with delta chamber

[void sail]

gotcha

[rustic vale]

A bad 32 pact can be orders of magnitudes more difficult than a good one

[narrow loom]

true

it always kills me seeing people do more enemies and more hp

in h2 too

[void sail]

i posted my conditions in #h1-victory-boasting and i’m just curious to see what could make it easier

calisthenics is kinda dumb so i spec’d into hard labor

wish i could’ve taken off super spoiler but i digress

[rustic vale]

Em4 is a bit overkill diffculty wise

[void sail]

i have around 20ish hours and it was my first try

[void sail]

on h32 specifically

[narrow loom]

this is what I did for my first 32

[rustic vale]

jury summons and convience fee are also ones I’d avoid at 32

[narrow loom]

oh wait 1 sec

[void sail]

fee seems better than calisthetics

[narrow loom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1265842500434792459/1265842575592521758/image.png?ex=673d3ac4&is=673be944&hm=3b181523a246811a538d162ca07f2ca468774d52f6f49dc6d2519a5841669145&

[rustic vale]

Better to just avoid both lol

[narrow loom]

I was able to do dc because I was using eris soo didn't actually matter

[void sail]

i was gonna say

mb

dc seems to mess up a lot of builds

[rustic vale]

the comparision is

[void sail]

i’m thinking specifically hestia

[rustic vale]

it’s like giving the strongest defensive keepsake to every enemy you face

[old bluff]

Don’t take DC on Hestia

Ever

[narrow loom]

if I didn't have dc I probably would have put more intooo

idk man

[void sail]

not gonna i hate dc

[old bluff]

Not even the 62 takes dc

[narrow loom]

definitely hard labor

but idk what the 2nd one would be

[rustic vale]

||If you find yourself on an insane darkness budget||

[narrow loom]

maybe lc2 ig but I'm a heal lover

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217110989242241094/1246852154958938123/5D9D9869-90EA-49D9-A5D7-D843FF9B608F.png?ex=673cb28f&is=673b610f&hm=6755b0c404af056586e5a3f4554d19f47518aae143778661c9d286e7de2b9a38&

I used this for blitzing a 32 heat clear from ff

[void sail]

i’m thinking hl and boon banish since i don’t use anything but primary so there’d be a lot of throwaway boons

[narrow loom]

i haven't tried aspect of guan yu yet funny

[void sail]

seems kinda free

how’re y’all able to image post??

[mint coral]

Post somewhere else > right click > copy link

[narrow loom]

copy link

it's a little annoying tbh not the biggest deal in the world but if we can post images anyway they should just let us post it

[mint coral]

Pls don't take AP this early

[rustic vale]

Ah here’s one of my more traditional pacts

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1218635230811000982/IMG_7595.jpg?ex=673ce080&is=673b8f00&hm=da049dbc8db7c414f96ab60067dc197440743ad4a50d6485c040bce7baa0e2ce&

[narrow loom]

if someone really wanted to post something bad they would copy linj

[void sail]

oh.

[rustic vale]

This is what I usually run for 32 heat

don’t mind the goated build

[void sail]

nice build first of all

[mint coral]

Ik that's actually 32 but at the same time seeing hl5 and fo2 makes me assume is higher anyways

[void sail]

second i’d stray far asf from security

[narrow loom]

spread fire is so funny to use

it is only good on zagspect tho

[rustic vale]

security lets me reset my stubborn defiance sooner for 32 heat

in higher heats I’d swap it for smthing else

[void sail]

i didn’t have a single death until super spoiler

then he killed me 4 times

[mint coral]

Resetting without hs is so sad

[void sail]

but i eeked out a kill on 26 hp

[narrow loom]

I was a stubborn defiance denier until strength in h2

[mint coral]

Oi

[narrow loom]

however.. strength is also busted

[rustic vale]

I mean I just hard labour 5 lasting consquences 4 with stubborn defiance like

[narrow loom]

Not the same idk

actually engraved pin is more like sd but 10s

[rustic vale]

The damage I take is pretty much permanent aside from the stubborn defiance, so I’m bound to die, but then I just heal back up with stubborn ez

[narrow loom]

yeah lc scares me I don't think I could go all in

[void sail]

stubborn really seems kinda odd to me

i die mostly on spoiler so it seems excessive when the rest of the way i coast thru

[rustic vale]

It’s really goated for lc4

[rustic vale]

See instead of running extreme measures 4 Hades

[void sail]

ain’t mean to tbh

[mint coral]

At high heat rooms become more of an issue

[void sail]

meant to run hl

[mint coral]

Bosses just need a bit of consistency

[rustic vale]

The thing is, if I get to Hades, I’m practically winning

The individual rooms are the problem

[mint coral]

And you still can do funny athena stuff or pray for patty

[rustic vale]

hence why lc4 stubborn

I do fine in bosses, each room is where my concerns are

[mint coral]

4 heat is also kinda a lot so is worth

[void sail]

my usual formula for biomes is aphrodite basic on start then pierced butterfly until hades then i swap to tooth

[mint coral]

Lol

[rustic vale]

Swapping off pierced butterfly

Swapping to pierced butterfly to start with

[mint coral]

(you lose the buff on swap)

[void sail]

yeah i know unfortunately i just run it mid biome since idk what else to really use

[rustic vale]

Second god

Defence and util

[void sail]

• helps in individual rooms afaik

[rustic vale]

?

[void sail]

athena prob

[mint coral]

Second god into acorn always gud

[rustic vale]

You put in a second god that lines up for your build bruh

[void sail]

prob placebo but i feel a lot more potent when i have butterfly

[rustic vale]

then just take defence or util for elysium

[void sail]

so you’re telling me i did all this the hard way

and i still managed to do it first try

[mint coral]

Butterfly bonus is just sad

[void sail]

i’m actually goated wtf

[mint coral]

Global dmg is great but not when granted by butterfly lol

[void sail]

why not

just too slow to accrue?

[mint coral]

Basically yeah

[void sail]

gotcha

[mint coral]

Free rooms also deny you %

[void sail]

i saw that

got kinda sad

[mint coral]

And you are committing to the keepsake if you wanna keep the dmg

[void sail]

do erebus gates count?

[mint coral]

Those work

[void sail]

not doing on high heat just curious

gotchaa

[mint coral]

Butterfly's other issue is that the best aspects for it are aspects that use % boons

So they don't benefit that much from the buff anyways

Even at like 50% that's like a rare chaos boon.

[void sail]

how is taking chaos on high heats anyways?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[void sail]

and is high confidence or 50 hp more valuable then?

[mint coral]

HP

[void sail]

i figure chaos is like the cursed chests in dead cells

[latent moon]

You take tart chaos bc it's Tartarus and you can just reset if it's bad lmao

[void sail]

gotcha.

[latent moon]

Aspho is vibes based

[mint coral]

Even for like 32 speedruns you take hp afaik

[latent moon]

Ely you typically don't unless you need to make time

[mint coral]

Cuz you disable confidence on the first chaos gate

[void sail]

my god i was also using confidence

i really did curse my run

im so good oh my god

[mint coral]

Tbf you were doing lc2 but still yeah

Hestia is also really safe

[void sail]

well yeah but i’m a total loser irl so i wanna emphasize every win i have

when i’m not on the football field i’m kinda useless :^)

[mint coral]

Em4 clear still goated

Also believe or not most people don't really interact with heat so you are already better than a lot lol

[void sail]

wait really??

another thing: is a win streak really worth anything?

[old bluff]

I just got a 5:07 lmao

[void sail]

my god

huuuge

[mint coral]

The % for the 16 heat achievement is rather low for example

[void sail]

could only eek 11 idk how you do it

[old bluff]

With a sub 4 heroes!

[mint coral]

Beo moment

[twilit lodge]

Literally nothing except feels

[mint coral]

But yeah outside of this server where most of us that are still here are long time players

Most people don't go near 32 at all

[void sail]

i thought i had like 20 hours

i have 52 my lord

this is really like dead cells all over again

[mint coral]

It's gotten better on like, reddit tho, stuff like angel's 64 and bananas guide seem to have made people go for 32 more often

[void sail]

dude

64 heat on all weapons seems like snazzyrock’s solo flawless deep stone run from d2

like that seems like a genuinely impossible task

imagine 64 heat and sub 5 on all weapons

[old bluff]

3 weapons have sub 5

[mint coral]

I wonder what kind of high roll you'd need for 64 sword/fists lol

[old bluff]

4 have 64

[void sail]

no way

i thought sub 5 was more common than 64

[old bluff]

Sub five is way rarer, in no small part to Mysterra

[latent moon]

the issue is that for high heat you need consistency, for speedrunning you need dummy damage numbers lmao

and very few aspects can achieve massive numbers

[void sail]

OHHHH

[latent moon]

granted not many can actually clear 64, but there's more theoretical capabilites for heat than there are for speed

[void sail]

well that’s easy aspect of zag clears everything

[old bluff]

Speed builds are way more demanding

[latent moon]

no aspect of zag has fat damage numbers unfortunately

[void sail]

jokes

[old bluff]

Zag bow can go kinda crazy

[latent moon]

it can

unfortunately hera

[old bluff]

You make a great point

[latent moon]

ngl at this point tho another weapon is probably more capable of getting a sub5 than another weapon to 64 heat

mainly bc yaknow

fists and sword are kinda ass for heat and no one wants to do them

[old bluff]

Gun

[latent moon]

yeah rail sub5 is way more likely

or even nem tbh

[old bluff]

Not Nem

No one plays Nem

[latent moon]

i beieve in nem sub5

not by me tho

[old bluff]

Fists is more likely due to sheer attempt volume

[latent moon]

besides cherry who else is running fists

is ananke still running

[old bluff]

He’s Eris grinding rn

[latent moon]

ik there's that one guy who's trying to get top 100 but i dont think they're in the running for sub5 lmao

[old bluff]

Top 100 um iirc

Which is like 6:50 lmao

[latent moon]

yeah idk anyone else running fists atm

i just think nem has more damage

esp since it's not locked into ME

[old bluff]

It def has more damage

It would 100% get a sub 5 first if it and fists were played the same amount

It’s just fists are way more popular, even if they are kinda dead rn

[latent moon]

i mean fists are more popular but like which good runner is actually running fists rn

[old bluff]

Which good runner has been running sword in the past year?

[latent moon]

yeah exactly

no one's running either

so by default i'd assume nem would be more likely

[old bluff]

ohhhh

I see what you mean

In that case, yeah sword is way more likely

[rustic vale]

But like significantly less risky

for just as much benefit

[void sail]

one thing i learned: ALWAYS take cursed chest

33 scrolls and 35 scrolls is a world of a difference

figure same applies?

[rustic vale]

33% damage bonus do be tweakin

[void sail]

you play dc??

huuge

5bc completion?

[rustic vale]

You could hit it big w/

a bonus to your current damage source

But it’s also just free time save

[latent moon]

the main issue with chaos is that you can't exactly pick your bonuses lmao sometimes it just does nothing for you

[void sail]

my thoughts

[rustic vale]

and the other bonuses are decent

[latent moon]

but yeah free time save if you're into that

[void sail]

fair

my biggest concern is the straight health loss off rip

[rustic vale]

I raise u

[latent moon]

just don't get hit

[void sail]

dude let me tell you

[latent moon]

or rather just don't die you can get hit

[void sail]

5bc flawless 4th gate boss rush is so beautiful

dc is my 2nd favorite game all time behind destiny

[latent moon]

my ass is only on like 2bc lmao i am so bad a dead cells

[rustic vale]

I raise u not even completing 3 blood cells

[latent moon]

and i also just dont play it a lot

[rustic vale]

[void sail]

wait what

[latent moon]

unfortunately, hades is the only game i'm competent at

[void sail]

raise me?

[rustic vale]

I got my flawless skin for the first boss 🫡

[rustic vale]

Yeah that’s what I bring to the table

[void sail]

😭

[rustic vale]

💀

[void sail]

i got everything in dead cells other account

[rustic vale]

I never got into dead cells that much

[void sail]

dude it’s a magnificent game

genuinely such an amazing piece of work

[rustic vale]

It’s great it just like

I got it when I was mainly playing Hades and I played it a bit and now I on off play it

[void sail]

ohhh i gotcha

[latent moon]

it's very good, i'm just very bad lmao

[rustic vale]

I’m a mobile player for dead cells but now I also have a controller for my phone and a projector to connect my phone to so I could theoretically get back into it

[void sail]

i found hades after i 100%ed everything in dc and that game made me appreciate hades that much more

but radiant triumph is EXTREMELY difficult naturally

you have to fight 5 modified bosses (usually insane attack speed or very close dodges to not get hit) in a row without getting hit on the hardest difficulty so their HP is insane

it’s like having a damage debuff as well as calisthenics 2

but even more HP

it was so goddamn cathartic and i haven’t felt anything better even in dead cells

and only a similar feeling once in destiny

[rustic vale]

Destiny 2 was peak before I stopped playing for a few seasons, came back, and didn’t understand anything anymore

I’m not talking about the story even, the changed they made to modding armour just threw me

[void sail]

don’t join back it’s fun but addictive and costs a LOT.

[rustic vale]

Main reason I left ngl

[fierce junco]

anoyher one marked off the list https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1169147290112491540/1308269829014425670/Screenshot_20241118-201535_Notein2.png?ex=673d54b9&is=673c0339&hm=be8d743243234a6342312976f9118758d9a2e683189dddbfb64e75685c8909d3&

[fierce junco]

@twilit lodge yes I did leave it open, was also for this

[latent moon]

Gl with nose for nectar

8 in one run is gonna be insane

[mint coral]

How do you even get that

[latent moon]

Turn of dark foresight for that I guess lmfao

Idek man

[mint coral]

No DF + auth?

[latent moon]

I would assume so

Absolutely no clue

[mint coral]

And pray that pos boon and troves collaborate

[latent moon]

Ooh wait

That's true

Those are rare drops tho aren't they

[mint coral]

Lol yeaj

[latent moon]

Buy every trove tracker I suppose

[mint coral]

Tried to edit that and made the same typo

[latent moon]

Skip midshops and chaos

Real

[mint coral]

Does charon sell nectar

[latent moon]

Does that count

Bc he does

[mint coral]

I have 0 clue

But might as well

• your "guaranteed" nectar from dio

[opaque fiber]

Go be stock some where else

[fierce junco]

ill bring back a nose for nectar win one day

[mint coral]

My fav title is probably the cast one

I've seen one person get it w/o trying

[latent moon]

How many casts is that

[mint coral]

1k iirc

[fierce junco]

1k

[mint coral]

It was a hera high heat run that got it

[old bluff]

It was Nitro

50 or 55

[latent moon]

Wait what 1k casts?

[mint coral]

Casting thousand times

[latent moon]

Oh that way

I thought you meant number of like actual casts lmao

[mint coral]

Lmfao

Hera/beo if grasp's rarity actually did something

[latent moon]

Real

Me when 12 casts bc of epic grasps

Scaling?

What's that

Don't need it

More casts now

[mint coral]

Tbf at some point you can't hit cast fast enough

[latent moon]

Sounds like you need to mash harder

[mint coral]

But more casts means idc about my cast management

[latent moon]

"oh no I need 3 stones to kill" but what if you had 15 casts so you effectively have 5 shots

[fierce junco]

#h1-victory-boasting message ive been changing the fundamental ones first then im working outward to the number changing ones

after i pass heat 20 though and finish bounties im speedrunning for darkness and victory titles, and doing some high heat runs

[rustic vale]

speedrunning for darkness and titles is an ez way to get burnt out ngl, speedrun for achieveable goals or just… the fun of it and get your ranks on the way

[fierce junco]

yeah these titles im shooting for

[rustic vale]

Oh I thought you meant ranks by titles

nevermind

[fierce junco]

no worries, i figured it would have went across wrong thats my illiterate butts fault

[empty cobalt]

I need help

I just got a PS5

I'm re-downloading games rn.

Do I need to download the PS4 version to have all of my Hades progress

Or can I download the PS5 version and it still be where I left off ?

[fierce junco]

I wouldn't even worry, the saves aren't going anywhere anyway. Just go with ps5

[fierce junco]

Hey, did you end up getting your controller back?

[rustic vale]

oh yeah I got it back like half an hour after I said that

I live with said friend so like as soon as he was done with it he handed it to me, but I had to grind out group project work

[fierce junco]

Rough, but that's sick you live together

[rustic vale]

Same building in residence for first year uni lol

We almost ended up living together next year but our group of 7 people split awkwardly so we could find housing easier

I’ll probably play tn if all my code works just fine

[fierce junco]

I'll be waiting then boss 🫡

[opaque fiber]

I hate group projects but you also are much older than me so

[rustic vale]

I mean my code itself is errorless it’s the water filteration system we built that’s the problem

[tepid plover]

Sick pfp, I love 20mtd

[empty cobalt]

Ah, so if I download the ps5 version my saves will still be there

[fierce junco]

NEW UPDATE COMING SOON

[rustic vale]

any particular interest or

[opaque fiber]

I have 20mtd but I didn’t enjoy it as much as vampire survivor like games

[tepid plover]

Saves are tied to the account, which is how we have cross progression

[rustic vale]

I’m not sure how I’ll do in Hades tn cuz I’m like 8 months rusty on a nearly fresh steam save

[fierce junco]

8??? thats rough

Shoot for a fun spear build

[rustic vale]

I played Hades a ton, then stopped, then came back just to get my 40 heat win and stopped shortly after

and I got Hades on sale on steam on pc recently just incase I wanted to play modded or cave and play

since I left the switch with my little brothers back home

[empty cobalt]

Oh.... tyvm

[opaque fiber]

Cross progression?

[rustic vale]

cross-saves like switch and pc can do

[opaque fiber]

Ik could you?

[rustic vale]

I plan on modding my steam so eh

[opaque fiber]

Ok

[tepid plover]

I couldn't bother to make a new save for mods

[rustic vale]

It’s not that hard to get all the titans blood I need for the weapons I want

[fierce junco]

At least people will notice you playing hades on steam more often than a switch, so you can drag them in too

[tepid plover]

The grind was just too much, like part of me wants to start a new save when 1.0 drops on h2, but he'll nah

[rustic vale]

lmao my steam page has been the entire Hades catalogue from the pointshop for a while

[fierce junco]

SAME LMFAO

[rustic vale]

I think I changed it recently though since I wasn’t vibing with the red every time

[fierce junco]

twink death 😔

[rustic vale]

I swapped from aggresive red to slightly less red with the Risk of Rain 2 background lmao

[opaque fiber]

ROR2 I love that game

[rustic vale]

Lmao just realised I have 23 minutes in Hades on steam

maybe this is a bit early early game but whatever

[opaque fiber]

danng

[rustic vale]

uh I only have shield and sword at my disposal so

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1308645626812170310/image.png?ex=673eb2b6&is=673d6136&hm=868e59d94a846baec17e0c654c8e18190f74e44f5048cdea8837c5e8df6e3d79&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1246&height=701

still managed td3 time

[fervent radish]

Zeus shield

And push 50 with it

[rustic vale]

I raise you aspectless shield

[opaque fiber]

i fol

fold

[fervent radish]

Max chaos shield

[rustic vale]

I couldn’t even get 40 heat with zeus shield I had to fall back on good ole zag bow

[rustic vale]

Same thing

[opaque fiber]

lvl0 zag sword

[fervent radish]

Yeah I know

[twilit lodge]

Just reset until you get cshot and clear on your third escape

[rustic vale]

Cshot c1 lol

I’m escaping third attempt

[opaque fiber]

cshot?

[twilit lodge]

It’s just that shrimple

Charged shot hammer for shield

[opaque fiber]

kk

[twilit lodge]

It’s a run carrier

[rustic vale]

I’m down to stream on my university commonrooms wifi

💀

[opaque fiber]

potatoe wifi

[rustic vale]

Can’t even load twitch studio

Actually idk if my twitch studio is even up to date

updated it same problem

no stream for y'all

[opaque fiber]

wouldnt watch anways i need sleep

[dreamy crown]

Guys whats your favorite uhh

I forgot the name of it but you can equip it and it buffs you

[twilit lodge]

My favorite uhh is definitely “uhhhhm”

[dreamy crown]

Like that one tooth that gives you extra lives

[twilit lodge]

But sometimes “errr” is okay

[dreamy crown]

Me too

top 10 filler

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/uhmm-gif-20993341

[opaque fiber]

keepsake

[twilit lodge]

My favorite keepsake is conch

[rustic vale]

God keepsakes, acorn, and shattered shackle

[dreamy crown]

YES

[rustic vale]

god keepsakes and acorn are just optimap

[twilit lodge]

Jk my favorite is distant memory

[opaque fiber]

mine be acorn tooth and god keepsake

[twilit lodge]

It’s so op

[fervent radish]

I like earring

[fierce junco]

whoa not even call?

[dreamy crown]

I like the myrmidon bracer its so coool

[fierce junco]

[opaque fiber]

i like spear/j

[tepid plover]

[rustic vale]

Third run moment

[tepid plover]

Yeha the art looks cool

[rustic vale]

Lernie time

[dreamy crown]

Dusa my beloved

I will keep giving you nectar

[rustic vale]

Lernie destroyed

10:32 is slightly later than td3 time

😔

Achievement for clearing asphodel

[fierce junco]

bah for being rusty thats not bad

8 months is wild

[rustic vale]

8 months is the conservative estimate

[opaque fiber]

em2 is so much more difficult

[rustic vale]

em2 makes Lernie so much better

[opaque fiber]

worse

[rustic vale]

It’s not even being rusty, it’s the fact that it’s a weapon I nearly never use on a new save file

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1308650550128279603/image.png?ex=673eb74c&is=673d65cc&hm=9e82d26a45d73241b3a516af249fd9c7476a79aaa3d726f882e2b8d69d51a7a5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=386

goated mirror

[fierce junco]

😋

[latent moon]

You have cshot easy clear

[rustic vale]

Yeah it should be I’m just behind schedule

Bruh

I’m too speedrunner brained to grab keepsakes

I need to slow downww

[twilit lodge]

That’s not strong drink

[rustic vale]

Hey I got strong drink now

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1308651502126104626/image.png?ex=673eb82f&is=673d66af&hm=a0782f409ac4738301582bc33534f91a89c38a009e6e6b424a4adcaeeed241e0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=386

Hell mentioned

[twilit lodge]

Bowels mentioned

[rustic vale]

Bruh

Took more damage than expected from Asterius

[tepid plover]

Place mentioned

[rustic vale]

58/150

Premium Vintage goated

Got my gift backo

Holy I’m rusty I finished that heroes fight w/ like 10 hp

Cleared Elysium Achievmentp

[fervent radish]

You ever try fresh file?

(Fffr)

[rustic vale]

I have on my switch

I did a really bad job

[fervent radish]

Real

[rustic vale]

Got to Hades with a scuffed build

Bruh I just took a massive hit from Hades bc my controller died, I plug it into my computer, and it decided to register as a different kindof controller

[tepid plover]

Xd

[rustic vale]

Somethings messed up

I have rumble disabled but it’s still rumbling

89 hp for nothing

Died in phase one that was bleh

Unfortunate series of circumstances and misplays

Woah 131 darkness is enough to get greater reflex, my first death defiance and the final upgrade of cthonic vitality

If Hades doesn’t die to this next run

forced call ohh

Nevermind? Forced posiedon without a call

That’s so strange

Exclusive Access in tart is crazy

C11

4:27 is actually better time hmm

[fierce junco]

hotter than hell

[rustic vale]

We’ll see, I don’t have the god keepsakes for the rest of the build

Maybe I’ll just luck into aphrodite and ares

I do have tidal dash and drunken strike competing for my non-existent poms since I don’t have dark foresight

poor mans mirror is the best part of a ff

[tepid plover]

In around 400 hrs, happened only once, but it was glorious

[rustic vale]

Rookie numbers

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1308661970219565148/IMG_0285.png?ex=673ec1ef&is=673d706f&hm=4bc594426ff2c7aaaf22da82e1092c5587a3b5979c47aa3360225f481b7baa28&

I’ve actually had it happen probably 10-15 times in 460 hrs

[fierce junco]

holy thats like... 1k hours

[tepid plover]

What

[fierce junco]

that is rough, but i think exclusive access carries

[rustic vale]

Exclusive access carries is a wild statement

[fierce junco]

4k for sure

[tepid plover]

I'm so lost

[rustic vale]

Nah 84minutes * 60 minutes/hour = 5040 hours

[fierce junco]

that's the one where it gives epics and above, yeah?

[tepid plover]

I am loster, so lost i forgor how to English

[rustic vale]

“And above” is incorrect

[tepid plover]

Yes, only epic

[rustic vale]

but yeah

[tepid plover]

There's no above, heroics can't be offered by default

[fierce junco]

Yeahhhh

[tepid plover]

A trade however

[rustic vale]

It won’t boost an exchange of a common boon to an epic boon

That’ll still be common to rare

only new cores you get after exclusive access

[fierce junco]

just meant it makes the minimum epic, but i know

[rustic vale]

But yeah I don’tbeven have chaos yet so my ideal exclusive access is highrolling hermes with no rerolls

and just getting slightly buffed supporting boons

I do have explosive launcher so an epic +% special would go hard

Exclusive access becomes way more valuable when you actually have the rest of the rng control

[fierce junco]

every time i get it i usually win that attempt https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1169147290112491540/1308664626258382949/downloadfile712.jpg?ex=673ec468&is=673d72e8&hm=ecf092f975cbf70bb0bf39b6a285896503a93e217fae95031f02497806324030&

except for one which idr but its been a good luck omen for me

[fierce junco]

hell yeah

[rustic vale]

My stats are too scuffed from too many high heat runs and 100 “I was an idiot child” runs

[fierce junco]

at least it's not on your steam account LOL

[rustic vale]

Idk I think the steam account matters less

I’m playing it less often

[tepid plover]

I can't wait till they release on Android (my grandchildren will enjoy it)

[fierce junco]

oh

[fierce junco]

they are???

[tepid plover]

At this point ima say no, it's just a joke since they released on iphone

[fierce junco]

😔

[stiff topaz]

how does delta chambers work with hestia? I thought it would be an unavailable hammer but i got it just now

[tepid plover]

You can still manually reload

[fierce junco]

kick-ass run

all the epics too 😋

also, you fell asleep? how late was it for you when we talked LMAO

[rustic vale]

it was only 12:30am but I stopped playing and started again at like 2:00am

[fierce junco]

some tough love LOL

[iron epoch]

Hades grind never stops 🔥🔥🔥🔥💪💪💪💪💯💯💯💯 I brought my switch to the hospital (passed out for 23 minutes)

[opaque fiber]

Impressive new pb?

Jk but hope you ok

[iron epoch]

I dunno what that means and it may be bc I am really out of it

[opaque fiber]

New personal best for being passed out

I was kidding lol

[iron epoch]

Very funny when I know what it means!

[rustic vale]

PB in terms of speedrunning or length hmmmm

[rustic vale]

“Hades grind never stops …(I passed out for 23 minutes)”
it sounds like the Hades grind did in fact stop

[opaque fiber]

Length

[lavish sorrel]

... for 23 minutes

[iron epoch]

I was Hades grinding in my mind. Trust

[rustic vale]

Imagine getting Vorimed by your own mind

[timid mortar]

Is there any way to get the world map or the painting which is hung after credits in Hades' room as wallpaper?

I want to try EM4 so bad but I hate the fact that I have to go through torture of Perseus before

[rustic vale]

what

I’m assuming you’re talking about em3’s change to the Heroes fight given you named a different demigod that doesn’t really make sense to go with Furies or Lernie

but neither of the Heroes are Perseus

Theseus & Asterius

[coarse knot]

Honestly EM Thesterius is easier than regular Thesterius

Idk why but I always eat less damage with em than without for heroes

[lavish sorrel]

chat I think they don't know about the hitboxes

[coarse knot]

Idk I am a fairly casual player

What about the hitboxes?

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah that tracks. You'll have more fun if you don't know

[lavish sorrel]

A few of them extend further than they should

Meaning you get hit in places that don't make sense

[coarse knot]

Yeah I wouldn't notice that too much

I also just find golden Theseus extremely funny

[rustic vale]

Homie does not play with fo2 on

[coarse knot]

Definitely not

[rustic vale]

Asterius becomes a menace

[coarse knot]

Hmm makes sense

[rustic vale]

and theseus is just arghh to catch up to

[timid mortar]

Yes, Asterius and the other guy

Asterius is pain in the arse in EM3

Hell yeah, bot still can't find it 😄

[lavish sorrel]

fo2 hl5 em3

Be slightly too close to a wall when asterius rushes = get hit because by the time the input goes through you'll take a face full of horns, and be slightly too far from a wall when asterius rushes = take a face full of horns because asterius had enough time to avoid the wall, and tokyo drift next to the wall into zagreus' spine. If you instead line yourself up with a small pillar, there's a non-zero chance the bullrush hits you THROUGH the pillar.

[glad bone]

Does anyone know how to find audio files for this game?

[cursive prairie]

I find the shalarange aspect to be the most comfy
The special that does +60% damage, artemis and boiling blood can make one shotting horde enemies even on heat pretty easy

[slender apex]

I am missing the last keepstake, who do I go to for that. Also, one of my prophecies mentions benefits from the pact how do I get those?

[mint coral]

Reach credits for the first one, for the 2nd, have you escaped once I assume?

[slender apex]

I reached credits

and I've escaped several times

[mint coral]

Aight
Last keepsakes are from mom and dad

[slender apex]

Oh, I should've figured

[mint coral]

Dad requires you to talk to him till the lock is cleared then gift him a 2nd nectar

[latent moon]

"benefits from the pact" is benefits package lmao

[mint coral]

For the other question, is the pact of punishment benefit package option

Gives perks to armored enemies

[slender apex]

Oh, I don't think I've done that one

I'll have to try it

[mint coral]

(omg the "new" discord layout sucks, I'm downgrading asap)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/608403611151761438/702994531749986445/BP_perks_explanation.png?ex=67404eed&is=673efd6d&hm=f0401e7fafc33203f06a2cf1cc82f3586cc84777617ba0accc6e06aba5bace05&

All the perks possible

Cloner is exclusive to tart
Burner to aspho and popper to elysium

Also huh I thought this prophecy gave T.blood for some reason

[slender apex]

I am having the hardest time gifting people, they never seem to spawn in

[rustic vale]

The what

[mint coral]

rama

when checking it in the aspects menu it says smth like "you have the (insert name) which..."

beo is like you have the naegis board

"You have Celestial Sharanga"

[mint coral]

*naegling's

[cursive prairie]

Yes the hidden bow aspect lol

[mossy sphinx]

Got the Demeter dialogue where she says she won't spoil Zagreus and then proceeded to get two duo boons offered lol

[timid mortar]

Problem is not Theseus going all 🦅🦅🦅🦅

Problem is Asterius going crazy if you enter his second phase or you kill Theseus earlier

[tepid plover]

Just talking it really is

I've always said it, in my opinion, both hydra and champions are easier with extreme measures

[opaque fiber]

Hydra is harder imo only due to me being on fire 40% of the time

[mint coral]

Lernie being faster I'd agree

But lernie tax exists for a reason

[fervent radish]

Lernie tax is still real

[opaque fiber]

?

[latent moon]

Lernie tax is losing DD(s) to the hydra

Typically used by speedrunners and high heat players

But ofc can be used in general play too

[opaque fiber]

why is it a time save

[latent moon]

Well losing a DD isn't really a time save but it technically isn't a time loss either

Health is a resource so it's fine to lose one or two

Or three lol

Kinda just the nature of the smaller arena and playing risky for more damage

[fervent radish]

It’s not a time save, more a fact of life given it’s a dangerous arena

[misty temple]

Is there a mod to let me see the seeds of my past runs?

[cyan bane]

Guan yu is not bad, it's just hard to use

[strong owl]

Got one hell of a run

I died a lot early game because i had chaos bring me down hp from an effect, and i also got blue rarity zeus special and jolt but i got eurydice and upgraded both of them, in styx i was on like 9 hp but got dio well boon that got me full, then i ended the run being on no death defiances left and level 12 jolted and explosive return

[cyan bane]

FIANLLY K UNCLOEKD RAMAM

[fierce junco]

HELL YEAH MAN

[cyan bane]

3rd aspect

Now I must use it

Though I've never used it before, or well I have just not how it should have been

But imma save that for lik tomorrow

[latent moon]

not really since runs aren't exactly predetermined by a seed

like there's a starting seed for the first boon/hammer or whatever

but after that, the run changes even if you start at the same seed

certain actions increases the rng value, and that value determines the rewards

something like that at least

[coarse knot]

Yeah this, difficulty is mostly the same, but the lava is a lot more inconvenient with hydra

[rustic vale]

your fault for being on the magma

[coarse knot]

I don't play with the speed vows so I am actually fine in that regard with em3 asterius

Em 4 tho

[rustic vale]

Lernie tax is a term used by speedrunners because it’s pretty normal to lose a dd to Lernie

not due to any advantages it gives you

extreme measures 2 forced overtime 2 (the speed running pact) makes Lernie a menace but those conditions are also time save

extreme measures grouping up the Lernie heads for quicker fights, and forced overtime making enemies spawn/move into your range faster

and prok jolted more often for builds with zeus

but significantly faster Lernie in a more patchwork arena is a real concern for said runners too

[fierce junco]

shoot, wrong chat but I had chain shot replaced with those 2

and I didn't know boons went in an order

[rustic vale]

well you can imagine that they don’t just fill in willy nilly as you get them

there’s a reason they’re always like

boon boon boon
boon boon boon
boon boon hammer
hammer boon
boon boon

[fierce junco]

I guess I just never gave it any thought LOL

[rustic vale]

start at the top left, go down till u finish the row, then fill next row to the right

That’s why your aspect and dark thirst are always top left

unless you have consumable items from charon well (or chaos curses?)

[fierce junco]

aspect of rama is second row though

[rustic vale]

what

It got displaced by the consumable

Scroll thru every other victory screen

For the last like 10

Yours is an outlier

[fierce junco]

I'm going to check it now, I can't believe I didn't notice how it organized itself

thats so cool

[rustic vale]

Yours is actually really weird

I’ve never seen it get shoved off to the second column

OhI found a second

interesting

K it seems like a rare occurence where they sometimes just

slot in later?

[fierce junco]

do they swap places with the top row with where it should be?

[rustic vale]

What

[fierce junco]

Like rama and the consumable just swap spots

[rustic vale]

Normally consumables slot in on the left

and shift everything else down

While they’re there

oh but even that’s not consistent

wth

this is really strange

[fierce junco]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1169147290112491540/1309374239660441600/downloadfile77.jpg?ex=67415949&is=674007c9&hm=2e9abce674b2456213a5d326b8caafea68fb8ccef4e368cde88872f1edb8adbe& this is the current one but im checking the other ones too

[rustic vale]

…that’s not what I meant

I meant the other ones in the victory boasting channel

[fierce junco]

oh LMAO

[rustic vale]

It’s mostly consistent

[fierce junco]

I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for it now

[rustic vale]

It’s like

mostly chronological from what I can tell

some times thing get weird and I couldn’t tell u why

but it’s mostly consistent

[fervent radish]

me when the game hades

[fierce junco]

thats so so cool

[empty cobalt]

I just upgrades to a PS5 and downloaded the ps5 version of hades 1

None of my saved data is here....

Do I only get to use the ps5 version if I wanna come tinue where I left off ??

[empty cobalt]

Anyone ??

[rustic vale]

It’s like nearly 2:00am for the most popular timezone here I think 🤔

idk if you’ll get too many answers any time soon

[jagged hamlet]

I don't even understand the question

[empty cobalt]

I want to play with my old saved data

The game i had countless hours poured into

I used to play Hades on the ps4 but I recently upgraded to a ps5

And when downloading games from my livrary... it asked if I wanted to download Hades 1, the ps4 OR the ps5 version.

So after asking for advice, I was assured that the ps5 version would work.

I downloaded it, and none of my.old saved data is here. It's an empty fresh slate

So I can only assume I must use a ps4 version? Or did I miss something important ?

[jagged hamlet]

Sure, try the PS4 version. Hope it works out for ya

[empty cobalt]

So... no one knows why or if the ps5 version can carry data over ?

[rustic vale]

Out of the two people who have responded to you

I told u to just download the ps4 version to stay on the safe side no?

hopefully that one works

[cyan bane]

As I said yesterday, I want to try using aspect of rama, but what's the best build? or just that synergizes with it

[tepid light]

Since rama's quirk (the debuff applied through special) isn't reliant on boons, you can afford to be a bit more flexible

I generally go a big % damage buff (e.g. aphrodite, artemis) on the attack, and a stacking debuff (dionysus, demeter) on the special

[lavish sorrel]

Most of what matters is what attack hammers one gets anyway 😌

Got twin or triple? gg you win

Got explosive or sniper? Lmao get destroyed

[cyan bane]

Is there like a website that has feedback and tips on how to use every aspect/weapon?

[cyan bane]

I had the exclusive one for rama

It's not very good

[lavish sorrel]

The speedrun page for hades (speedrun.com/hades) has a "guides compendium" where you can find in-depth resources for anything in the game. For a surface-level understanding of builds for each aspect, #h1-builds-and-combat should have a pinned message with a guide.

[cyan bane]

It's like a 30 page resume

[lavish sorrel]

There's a surprising lot to learn about the videogame, you know?

[cyan bane]

Yep

I just needa know about the Poseidon aspect a bit

[lavish sorrel]

athena cast + poms, zeus attack, get lightning phalanx. You're probably looking for hyper sprint -> rush delivery from hermes as usual, though cast-related stuff can work as well. That's one possibility, enjoy.

[cyan bane]

Flurry cast maybe?

[old bluff]

It’s not bad but RD is better

[cyan bane]

Isnt that rush delivery

[old bluff]

Yea

[tepid light]

Yeah rama's exclusive hammer upgrade is not great

A shame really

[lavish sorrel]

Repulse shot bad 😔

Actively detrimental, even

[cyan bane]

Pretty nice

I finally unlocked Beowulf though

[empty cobalt]

I just upgrades to a PS5 and downloaded the ps5 version of hades 1

None of my saved data is here....

Do I only get to use the ps5 version if I wanna come tinue where I left off ??

If anyone can provide advice n this id rly appreciate it

Just trying to seeing i can play the PS5 version but keep all my saves / play progress from my old PS4 time

[buoyant harbor]

1. Your question has been answered online before. It was literally the first search result: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/161sizr/help_with_save_data_from_ps4_to_ps5/
2. You've asked your question like 4 times, and not once thought to ask it in the relevant channel #h1-tech-support.
   Next time maybe try finding the answer on your own first or at least try to find the relevant chat room that can actually answer your question.

[empty cobalt]

Love the sass lmao

I looked.on Google and that reddit post didn't show for me. Perhaps we typed different things. God forbid we help 1 another without attitude lol

Cheers bud

Ans funnily enough, it was on this very server i was told that u actually can play ur old generation saves on new gen. User provided no proof.... but i figured they knew what they were talking about until I tried playing and saw a fresh slate

/shrug

[fervent radish]

The sass is probably because you’re spamming your question in multiple channels instead of using the channel made for tech questions

[empty cobalt]

I mean.. half the channels have some very very broad titles

Sure, I guess it's more tech related. Okay.

But it's still discussing the game. Which is this server

Not sure how it is more important to be rude than more helpful. A simple redirect is too much to ask i suppose lol

[fervent radish]

It’s rude to be spamming the question in every channel and not read the channel description. Other people aren’t responsible for your helplessness

You’re already putting people off from engaging with you by copy pasting the message into multiple channels. It’s irritating

Just ask a question in one channel like a normal human and maybe someone would respond to you

[fervent radish]

Also you might want to get better at searching for things on google because i also found information by literally copy pasting this message into the search bar

[empty cobalt]

Lmao cool, or forgot Google isn't the most broad search engine around /s

As I stated before, God forbid we help one another without attitude lol glad to know ur a google.god

[fervent radish]

God forbid you ask a question in the channel made for those questions and not copy paste it into a bunch of other channels

At any rate, good luck on your fresh save

[empty cobalt]

Variety is king brother. This server has a pretty low population. It doesn't hurt any to ask around 🙂

A simple redirect isn't a lot to perform either. Sorry it hurt u so badly ig

[empty cobalt]

Not using a fresh save ? Lol

[lavish sorrel]

Wait you're telling me the game continues past first run?

[fervent radish]

if your save data didn't transfer, you'll be on a fresh save

[empty cobalt]

Lol there are 2 versions of the game.... or did u miss this entirely

[fervent radish]

You're not helping yourself. All i'm saying is next time you have a question, take the time to read channel descriptions and see what the best place to ask it is

[lavish sorrel]

Kindly move to the tech channel, this convo is clogging up chat.

[fervent radish]

if you fail to transfer, you'll be on a fresh save

[empty cobalt]

You're not helping either lol

All I'm saying is these channels have VERY broad and somewhat vague naming. So a discussion could mean anything

Like say... save data questions

Surr, I now understand it's more Tech related. But again, a simple and cordial redirect was easy enough

[empty cobalt]

Lol again, there are 2 versions of the game

[fervent radish]

And asking in only one channel and being patient also seems easy enough to me

[empty cobalt]

Variety is king. Low server population. These things matter but okay bud lol

[lavish sorrel]

Hey <@&456908176877551658> I don't like the vibes of this convo, need a clean-up crew

[tender hound]

I found out this morning that someone has turned my Hades "boomer" meme into their school computer background.

https://i.redd.it/jyl4y6v7eoic1.png

https://i.imgur.com/op44Kw1.jpeg

Yes. I made that meme: https://redd.it/1ar70tc

[buoyant harbor]

LMAO

[deep pivot]

I'd like to remind everyone of rule #1:

1. Be kind. This is an international, diverse community whose common ground is an interest in our games. As a member of this community, we expect you to contribute to an environment where everyone feels welcome and included. Be accepting and respectful. Avoid being inflammatory.

Please be more patient and tolerant towards others, you don't know how easy or hard it is for them to navigate a new server. There was no harm being done and no need to be sassy or rude. Kindly redirect players to the other pertinent channels and let them know that the current channel is not the appropriate one for such topics