h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

Or… they just haven’t got the scripted event? maybe

[latent moon]

it's prob not charged bc "not yet"

[rustic vale]

hmm

[near granite]

how do I charge it?

[rustic vale]

Dealing and taking damage

[stiff topaz]

i mean its a rare thing to show up even after the event, i mostly only get them in asphodel or elysium

[rustic vale]

And the charge goes away once a room is up

[stiff topaz]

if at all

[rustic vale]

?

They’re just as likely as any other boon

[stiff topaz]

oh

it feels rarer ig

[jagged hamlet]

Also, the only generally good calls are Zeus's and Dio's. Athena's and Poseidon's have niche uses in high heat, I think

[stiff topaz]

or i just ignore calls a lot lol

[rustic vale]

You can see the little meter by your hp bar charge up as you deal and take damage ina. Room, and once it’s charged you can use the call

[near granite]

what do you use call for?

[rustic vale]

…whatever the gods call you have does

[stiff topaz]

aphrodite got me my 1st victory so i gotta rep her

[rustic vale]

Some deal damage, some are protecive

aphrodite’s like a very mid call tbh

[stiff topaz]

its normal call effect it meh but i used greater call on hades like 3 or 4 times and thats the only thing that did real damage

[rustic vale]

She’s got the same issue as artemis where you need 100# gauge for it to be useful outside

of minor defensive uses

I mean she’s good for stopping bosses attacks when you need her, but if you want damage just take a better god

[stiff topaz]

take a better god is not easy advice for an rng based game lol

[latent moon]

you can control rng pretty decently in this game

[rustic vale]

There’s so much you can do to control rng

[near granite]

But Im on 30 % now in God MOde Shackle, 80 % must be a big difference

[latent moon]

keepsakes are insane

[rustic vale]

woth in game tools

[latent moon]

also if you see a god call that isn't good or you dont like you dont have to take it lmao

[rustic vale]

Well yeah rn you’ve got like 60% more health compared to 400% more health once godmode is maxed

[latent moon]

can confirm

(wrong reply)

[rustic vale]

wrong reply

[near granite]

Ok I see

[stiff topaz]

well i wasnt going to switch off of skelly's tooth to some gods keepsake after elysium in the hopes that a call showed up

[rustic vale]

…you can choose which gods you do and don’t take pretty often like early game

Like if I don’t want dio I can just walk thru a different doorway 90% of the time

[latent moon]

also most of the time, you don't really need a call boon

[stiff topaz]

ik but suggesting i get a 'better god' implies i switch after aphrodite which i got in elysium

[rustic vale]

Well l

[latent moon]

well that depends when you got the call lmao we didnt know when you got it

[rustic vale]

I’m suggesting you take a better call

Aphrodite’s a great goddes but her call ain’t

her call’s pretty much exclusively defensive

[stiff topaz]

i didnt even have aphrodite's keepsake i just didnt have a call at that point so took hers and she got me the win

[near granite]

How does one change call?

or the god

[latent moon]

for calls, you can't really change it unless you sell it

and then get a different one

[latent moon]

i mean gods just show up lmao they're not exclusive to keepsakes

they keep showing up until your god pool is full

which basically means until you find 4 gods (not including hermes and chaos)

you can have a 5+ god pool with midshop shenanigans or keepsakes tho

[stiff topaz]

ik they are not exclusive to keepsakes, but i didnt know they were limited to some number per run

[latent moon]

and you cant sell god boons to remove them from your pool

[stiff topaz]

that explains things

[latent moon]

yeah if all 8 kept showing up it'd be pretty annoying lmao

[stiff topaz]

cause i think i had exclusively artemis/aphrodite/dionysus that run

and some athena

[latent moon]

yeah then you'd only see those 4 the whole run

it'll keep throwing random gods at you until you have 4 different ones

[stiff topaz]

oh wait posieden not dionysus

so i didnt have the option for a 'good call' at all that run unless i cheesed it

[rustic vale]

No I meant taking the steps to ensure you didn’t take it in the first place lol

[latent moon]

pos and athena call are pretty solid

[rustic vale]

If aphrodite doesn’t make sense for your build, just pass her by. If she’s in your build, and you have boons from her, just take one of the 2 other options (given they aren’t core boons that’ll muck up your build like passion dash)

[near granite]

are there any websites that have builds for the game

[rustic vale]

Ideally speaking call wise, you hit zeus or dio and spam their 25% charge calls for damage, as their damage is not only better overall than aphrodites, but it’s also AoE, more consistent because you can use them in regular rooms because the minicalls will charge to full in them

[stiff topaz]

hmm i suppose im not at the point in the game where i would consider builds so heavily. I still like the aph call because it was an utter surprise at how much it helped

[latent moon]

pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat but also you have 13 runs in this game, you should kinda just experiment to see what's good and what's not or whatever

[rustic vale]

and you won’t have too much damage/ opportunity loss from hitting bosses breakpoints with a zeus minicall compared to a greater aphrodite call

[stiff topaz]

it will be awhile before i look at the numbers so minutely

[rustic vale]

as for controlling which gods you take in your build, eventually you get a feel for what works and what doesn’t with what you’re going for. If I’m building merciful end, I force ares in tartarus, athena in asphodel, and maybe look at Dem and think hmm I don’t really want anything from her, I’m going to take the other door option (provided there is another door)

Then just use your elysium and styx keepsakes for boosts rather than Gods and you’re set

…and ykw, to reclairify, calls are just as common as any other non-status curse secondary boon.

Core boons (strike, special, cast, dash) take priority in boon rolls, and then status curse boons are rolled right after, and then secondary boons. Cores are essentially guaranteed as options until you fill your cores, and status curses always have better odds than other secondary boons, and calls fall into that “other secondary boon” category

[stiff topaz]

oof im definitely not at the point where im trying to get specific gods for a build. Probably cause im more interested in completeing the fated list rather than trying to min-max, so keepsakes have been mostly used to for that only. Though i have definitely found dionysus is my fav

[rustic vale]

Since I’m often playing for speed or trying like 40+ heat, I kind of need to build for function (I’m not god enough of a gamer to do 50 heat yet, much less 50 heat with whatever random ah build in the world)

[stiff topaz]

...and i am not even gonna touch heat anytime soon

[rustic vale]

But like if you end up struggling to progress in heat or anything like

just throwing together a cohesive build early

makes it so much better

and being picky about who you take can lead you to having more consistently good builds

[rustic vale]

Even if you’re chasing prophecies, you can still try this by just checking your codex for duos you think might work together well for your weapon, etc

even without any meta knowledge, as long as you choose 2 gods to put on some cores that you think should work well together and focus around that you should be pretty set

[stiff topaz]

yeah im pretty sure ill get there, but i just had my 1st victory a few hrs ago so im not at the knowlegde level id like to have to start custom building

[rustic vale]

You’re at like the perfect spot in the game to just experiment lol

you can worry about meta building if you try heat or speed and find yourself struggling

otherwise just like

flat damage works well on things that hit fast (ie zeus on rail strike, dio on fists strike), +% gods work well on heavyhitting abilities (aphrodite on rail special). Cast builds are pretty much best used by cast based aspects, I’d avoid them otherwise

Most weapons deal better dps dash striking than standing, so you can keep that in mind to help with your experimenting ig

Just throw together things that make sense to you

Possibly last note is that no, Zeus on Chiron isn’t insane, lightning bolts have an internal cooldown of 0.2s/per enemy/ per source so your lightning flourish will only prok 1-2 times

Chain lightning (lightning strike /cast) instead have a cooldown of 0.15s, so feel free to go crazy w/ them on like rail

Chaos = usually always take him if you see him, free room, potential bonus damage to your beefy damage source, or some other lil bonus

if you feel you’re taking too much damage, a combo of weaken from aphrodite and hyper sprint from hermes means you take like half of the damage you would take without (70% damage taken * 70% damage taken = 49% damage taken)

…anyways that’s all, I need to go do my uni work 🫡

[stiff topaz]

im playing with god mode so damage reduction has not been my problem, though that will be good to know when i turn it off. I will look into stuff that will do insane damage tho, i think the most i did was zeus on malphon attack once

[rustic vale]

Zeus’s secret is that he scales really well with more of himself

His secondary boons (mainly static discharge) actually crack him out

he’s got some solid duos in smouldering air and lightning phalanx too

smouldering air is a pretty easy duo to throw into anything if you just take zeus call and aphrodite (whatever), and then you get to drop a zeus call every 5 seconds from free

massive damage

also most ppl don’t know this but Hermes can raise your damage by multiple times

Potentially a full order of magnitude if you’re insane

Since movespeed bonuses are multiplicative, and his Rush Delivery boon gives you +% damage to every damage source you have based on your bonus movement

if you have hypersprint, rush delivery is automatically a +50-125% damage boost. If you get any more movespeed multipliers, that bonus just keeps growing.

[twilit lodge]

Them* 🤓 ☝️

[opaque fiber]

whats the best way to launch 32 bit or direct x or vulkan

[twilit lodge]

Zeus attack on malphon is definitely one of the top two options

[open canyon]

What's chats go to God boon ?

[lavish sorrel]

there's effectively no difference.

[lavish sorrel]

depends on aspect and strategy. there is no singular "boon solution for all of your build-needs". Some are better than others for sure, but finding "THE overall best boon" feels impossible

[open canyon]

Tru.

[rustic vale]

Consider that one of those words has less letters and I was typing fast (I definitely didn’t accidentally misgender them 😔)

[old bluff]

Rd

[lavish sorrel]

even that. you need the movement speed and RD rarity to back it up; if your only source is common greater haste then your RD isn't going to matter all that much.

[rustic vale]

“There ain’t a singular best boon” players when Heart of Stone exists

[lavish sorrel]

true

[lavish sorrel]

plus, it can be more reliable at high heat to take dashes over common (and sometimes rare) rush delivery because RD forces you to keep hyper sprint around, which can cause build-issues later if you get forced into selling one of them.

[opaque fiber]

500% damage is 5 times

rigth

right

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[old bluff]

Nope

6 times

Well

[rustic vale]

+500% damage

[lavish sorrel]

+500% is x6 yeah

[rustic vale]

vs just 500%

[opaque fiber]

you have 1x base and then 500 is 5 times that no

[rustic vale]

Your base of 1 is 100%

5 times that = 500%

[opaque fiber]

im dumb i was multiplying

[rustic vale]

Damage in Hades is additive aside from crit’s multiplying

actually most things in Hades are additive

Obol gain, darkness /gemstone gain, damage

your multiplicative stuff is like damage reduction and movespeed and trap damage

[lavish sorrel]

trap damage is additive, what

[rustic vale]

Nah

[old bluff]

Nope

[rustic vale]

It isn’t

[lavish sorrel]

TIL

[opaque fiber]

is that why it does so much

[rustic vale]

?

The only case where you can multiply trap damage is against enemies

otherwise it’s just like heightened securities boost against yourself

[old bluff]

It’s why you can one shot dad with 4 or 5 shards

[opaque fiber]

shards?

[lavish sorrel]

right, that explains it. HS is what I was thinking of

[lavish sorrel]

stygian shard well item

[rustic vale]

wait what deals trap damage

[lavish sorrel]

my favourite well item

[strong owl]

I just got 3 duo boons

[rustic vale]

No like

Against Hades

his pots don’t damage him do they

[lavish sorrel]

they do, 30 damage in fact

[rustic vale]

TIl

[opaque fiber]

you didnt know his pots did damage

[lavish sorrel]

and he takes damage to castskull shockwaves, but only if he's near where the skull exploded (40 damage)

[lavish sorrel]

and now, a very cursed fact, castskull shockwaves count as enemy damage when zagreus is close (I think this and the dad damage fact are related). Yes, it scales with Hard Labor.

[rustic vale]

I didn’t know they did damage to him

It’s not something you really see

[bronze holly]

That’s how I kill hades

Very op Strats trust

30 damage per pot

[rustic vale]

The Hades fight is a bit to chaotic for me to notice a 0.17% of his hp bar missing after he breaks his own pots

[twilit lodge]

It stuns him shortly too iirc

[latent moon]

no it doesnt

bosses don't get stunned

unless you wanna count charmed

[twilit lodge]

Rip

[dense breach]

fr?

damm u didnt have to delete that

u still finna delete this?

not this time

ok were getting somewhere

ill see you tomorrow

gn sticky

[latent moon]

my brother in christ that is a bot

it just resends it every 2 mins to stay at the bottom of chat

[fervent radish]

least schizophrenic shadow boxer

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/yujiro-hanma-baki-cooking-esquizofrenia-gif-10183314646088788512

[fervent radish]

always funny when people beef with the bot

[dense breach]

im trynna have a chat and it deletes its message

like wth im not gonna bite

[bronze holly]

What’s good heat options for like 8 heat

[latent moon]

it's literally a bot it wont respond back to you

[dense breach]

all of them in the ones that power up tehboss

[fervent radish]

anything should work

[jagged hamlet]

AI is getting so realistic these days

[latent moon]

there's a heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[bronze holly]

Ok thanks

[fervent radish]

just avoid approval process, high security, and routine inspection

[latent moon]

and calisthenics program

[jagged hamlet]

And Jury Summons

[dense breach]

you dont know htat

[latent moon]

okay buddy

i'll be sure to take the statement of someone who just joined today and talking to a bot

[dense breach]

couldnt be me, im always on top

[jagged hamlet]

I was there when Caitlin brought it to life

[latent moon]

lmao true

[dense breach]

thats wise

im very smart

[dense breach]

idk who caitlin is but based

[jagged hamlet]

Hi, very smart. I'm Packrat!

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/jogo-crying-jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-vs-jogo-what-is-this-dontdox-gif-11181780527451722402

prospi refrence

[dense breach]

yeah its concerning

whens the third coming out

[latent moon]

never

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-surprised-you-cant-do-this-to-me-gif-24182893

[rustic vale]

Is for the best

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-kitty-kawaii-gif-11246754498393089862

[dense breach]

then make anubis or sum

or like, hel

[rustic vale]

[dense breach]

[rustic vale]

“Just do it over but different mythology” tying themselves down just to that

[dense breach]

damm @lavish sorrel had me thinking they agreed

bait n swich ong

[lavish sorrel]

nah I wanted a pyramid emoji

[dense breach]

i see

[dense breach]

wym tyying down

[rustic vale]

I don’t think SSG should become ”the mythology game” company

[dense breach]

why

you dont say

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-punch-cmj-gif-23462273

[old bluff]

Just block it for gods sake

[dense breach]

thats cowardly, if i block it the bot wins

[old bluff]

Then don’t get mad at the bot when you ignore the easy solution

[dense breach]

i could never be mad at the bot

[dense breach]

friendly banter

https://tenor.com/view/why-i-oughta-scottykfitness-inthebowl-gif-10291974796863328527

[latent moon]

sgg's game dev philosophy is like trying something new each time they make a new game

[dense breach]

well yeah but i like this thing

[latent moon]

if they were to go through various mythologies they'd have to make it a pretty different game design to hades 1 and 2

[dense breach]

make it doom

[latent moon]

and at that point they shouldn't have to be tied down to mythologies anyways

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-27081893

[latent moon]

the reason why h1 and h2 work is bc the new thing they're doing is creating a sequel lmao

and the gameplay and story of the two games are pretty different despite being greek myths

[dense breach]

i mean peak doesnt get less peak after the first time

[latent moon]

could be if it gets overdone too much

[dense breach]

if i die of hades overdose i died a good death

[latent moon]

yeah and the game company plummets bc they oversaturated the mythology lmao

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-kitty-kawaii-gif-11246754498393089862

[latent moon]

i would like to see something completely different after h2 in however many years lmao

hopefully multiplayer

[dense breach]

thats fair

personally i just want more and more of the same thing but diferent

[latent moon]

there's prob other games like that out there

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/shack-gif-26978821

[latent moon]

not that i would really know of tho lmao

[dense breach]

ittll never be the same

[latent moon]

i heard ravenswatch is good and iirc it has a similar gameplay type, although i've never played yet

and has co-op up to 4 players

[dense breach]

now i just need 3 other people

[latent moon]

i'm think you can play with randoms but not entirely sure

or just play solo lmao

[dense breach]

i was actually pretty sure hades 2 would have that idk why

[latent moon]

from what i've seen it seems similar to hades but it's pretty unique

[latent moon]

prob bc we've been introduced to 2 playable characters in the franchise

if sgg makes their next game to be multiplayer i think everyone would love that tho lmao

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/lucifer-punch-adam-hazbin-hotel-gif-16081805725102141693

[dense breach]

yeah, itd be hard to balance but fun

tho tbf who gaf about balance in a single player / co op game

[latent moon]

game balance doesn't need to exist that much if the game isn't pvp lmao

[dense breach]

Fr

Like if theres an op thing just dont use it

[latent moon]

there's a ton of broken stuff in h1 and i'm sure there are in h2, although i dont really follow the meta in h2

[dense breach]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-i-am-on-the-brink-meme-white-text-gif-26506151

[dense breach]

Yeah same, also im ass at the games lol

Took me 100 tries to escape in hades 1

[latent moon]

happens lmao

[dense breach]

Anyway gn

Thx u2

[twilit lodge]

I wonder if people think responding to stickybot does anything

[dense breach]

Ofc it does

@rain tundra listen i know you mean well but you keep making me think a new convo started when i see a new chat is in the server and its just you sending the same msg.

See you just did it again

[rustic vale]

He keeps his message fresh so newcomers will see it and go to the right channel

[dense breach]

Yeah, i too often get confused as to what differences h1-discussion and h2-discussion have

[rustic vale]

it was worse back when h2 came out

every 4 seconds

someone would stumble over here

[dense breach]

I mean i dont see it as a big deal but fair ig

[rustic vale]

It was back then and it stuck

[fervent radish]

Some people don’t want to be spoiled about a game they haven’t played

[dense breach]

I wont think they can see the chanels if they dont have the hades 2 role

Of maybe im just dumb idk

[fervent radish]

i'm saying that people who only played hades 1 don't want to see information about hades 2

[dense breach]

I dont think they can

[fervent radish]

🗿

people playing hades 2 type in the hades 1 channels

[dense breach]

Lol

[fervent radish]

this introduces spoilers to people even if they don't have access to the hades 2 channels

[dense breach]

😭

Damm ok

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[cyan bane]

I want to try escaping using the shield this time around, but what aspect would fit best currently?

I have aspect of chaos and can get the Zeus one

I heard Zeus is a really good one

But I'm not sure what stuff is right with him

[fervent radish]

Zeus special, static discharge, doom/hangover/zeus on attack, dio/zeus on call

Arty attack/pp/hunters mark

Use ruthless reflex

+dashes or hypersprint/rush delivery

[cyan bane]

I thought you said Zeus on attack

So who first? Zeus or Artemis

Any good upgrades too?

[jagged hamlet]

Zeus Special

[cyan bane]

Hammer upgrades

[jagged hamlet]

Explosive Return

[cyan bane]

Knew it

[rustic vale]

Zeus is rlly good and chaos is easily the 4th best aspect

[rustic vale]

Ruthless reflex is a new one

[fervent radish]

Any can work

Zeus is good for crowd control

[fervent radish]

Yeah love it

[latent moon]

on the other hand, i wouldn't really tell anyone to use it unless they're doing very high heat

[wind shoal]

Well, now I only have two achievements left to get

I have to purge a legendary boon

And max out every keepsake

I only have to do about three more in that last one.

[tepid light]

that is gonna be painful

[cursive prairie]

I dislike the pacts that require you to purge a boon or reduces the amount of choices becauae its the randomness of the boons that makes the game interesting

Without the boons it becomes a bland experience

[narrow loom]

I dislike them a lot too but it is still random

you just have less choice within the randomness

I think those pacts suck though because they ruin builds

unless you are going for like high heats just don't use them

[tepid light]

I hate them too but a lot of people here find them (or at least the boon purge) to be an easy modifier to take

It's a pretty divided topic

[narrow loom]

oh the purge one is fairly easy

you just have to make sure you take a fodder boon so then you don't have to purge a good one

[tepid light]

I'd rather not be forced to give up parts of my build at all

[narrow loom]

well heat forces you into conditions

I think compared to some other ones it's not that bad

and you take the fodder boons so then you don't purge something central to your build

[tepid light]

it really comes down to preference as i was saying

i despise boon purging just on principle, other people don't mind it at all

[daring badger]

Yeah I usually just run harder bosses, harder minibosses, and perks on shielded enemies, those make the game actually more fun for me, the rest take away from the fun

[tepid light]

Same actually, those as well as increased enemy hp and damage

[cyan bane]

No

[dense breach]

I like the blue heart ones as like the last one or two heat

Sticky im trynna talk rn dont intereupt

[dense breach]

Like t makes it a little harder but not very, and looks cooler

[daring badger]

Blue heart, depends on the weapon
I'd take it on hades spear but I absolutely wouldn't take it on hestia gun

[dense breach]

Never used the gun alot

So u prob right

U only update when somone messages?

I see

So its a what 2 min cooldown and then when somone types?

Is it clock minuts or counted in seconds?

Not clock minuts ig

Maybe it is

I need a timer

Well continue this later

One minut?

No its gotta be 2 ig

https://tenor.com/view/koffa-house-md-gregory-house-house-eric-foreman-gif-3254275732664605731

Does it have to be a reply or is it just anything anyone says?

Anything goes

Aight

/help

I did not know that

I apprecite the idea

[dense breach]

BOO

gotcha

[fossil parcel]

is there any way I can force the charon boss fight trigger to spawn? Im at 57 runs and havent seen it once, I just wanna do the fight at this point.

[mint coral]

Nope, just be sure to visit every midshop

Also just to make sure, you have escaped at least once already right

[fossil parcel]

ive finished the game lol

i have about 80% escape rate

ish

maybe 70

highest heat rn is 11 on my sword

working on the side story stuff

[rustic vale]

There are a ton of boons I’ll end up with that are just ruining my pom odds for the boons that matter and free obols when I get to a pool yk

Where the boons just aren’t worth not purging them

[fervent radish]

Boon purging is so fun lol

[rustic vale]

Approval process is like way way worse than underworld customs lol

having to purge a boon is only occasionally bad, often easily budgetted around, where approval process just… bleh

[cursive prairie]

Whats approval process

OHHH yeah

Its the other one i talked about, fewer choices lol

High heat runs just sounds like pure suffering

[rustic vale]

Yeah, that’s the one that really sucks

Underworld customs is fine up till you get pretty high heat and your build gets some much more condensed

I only broke 40 heat once I took approval process off my pact lol

[latent moon]

approval process 2 is great for 32 heat :)

[stiff topaz]

Whats good to toggle on for trying heat for the 1st time?

[latent moon]

there's a spreadsheet screenshot pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies that should help

[lavish sorrel]

(using hestia) 😌

[latent moon]

nonsense

every aspect

[stiff topaz]

Is ares aid worth taking? My other options are ares cast or revenge dmg

[rustic vale]

Not really

It’s like pos call but take away the movespeed and decent damage

[stiff topaz]

Yeah it didn't remember it feeling good last time I took it. I took revenge dmg instead

[rustic vale]

That’s what I would’ve taken

[stiff topaz]

if the unequip the butterfly will i loose its bonus?

[latent moon]

yes

if you take off plume or butterfly you wont keep the effects

[strong owl]

Is cold fusion good?

[old bluff]

No

[strong owl]

Should i sell it then?

[twilit lodge]

If you’re okay with maybe getting it back again

[karmic oyster]

It can add a lot of damage in some niche cases, like if you have zeus' cast on a melee build or something, but mostly it's not great.

[twilit lodge]

If you’re looking for a specific Zeus or Demeter boon still, keep it so you’re not gonna chance seeing it again instead of the boon you’re looking for

[karmic idol]

good day all

does chaos boons work with family fav?

[mint coral]

Nope

Not an olympian

[bronze holly]

How do you unlock aspects

[mint coral]

Unlock all weapons, then after the next run interact with the placeholder of your equipped weapon in the courtyard

[bronze holly]

Ok

Ty

[dense breach]

@rain tundra i forgot about our deal we can do it wednsesday

Its ok i understand

[rustic osprey]

Poseidon is usually the god i pick the least boons from, is he actually really good with some weapons or is he just mid

[old bluff]

His dash boon is one of the best boons in the game

He has some nice secondary boons as well

[rustic osprey]

Problem is that overlaps with athena dash

Could be nice with athena on other stuff tho

[mint coral]

his call is decent safety too

[karmic idol]

What does dark foresight do exactly?

If I don't upgrade it does it decrease the likeliness of finding hammers and poms?

[fervent radish]

It doesn’t change anything at level 0 if that’s what you’re asking

[karmic idol]

Well I was wondering when it's maxed what good does it do for me

Or is it better to just choose other option

[granite plinth]

Posiedon is by far the best speedrunning god

[latent moon]

More boons, hearts, poms, and gold in runs and also more likely to get your hammers earlier

You'll see less darkness, gems, and keys, which dknt really help you win runs anyways

Dark foresight is one of the strongest options in the mirror

Maxes at 20% which is pretty solid

[karmic idol]

Keys are pretty great for runs tho

I rather see keys than pons sometimes

Poms*

[latent moon]

They don't help you win runs

Poms are way more important

At a certain point keys don't do anything and over time you'll get the last part of the mirror anyways

Dark foresight is gonna win you more runs than the last 2 mirror perks imo

[edgy topaz]

hellooo

hey is this a kind of bug or is it good

like every time i open a new game and select the charm of a god it says that it only has one use

i have the picture it just happens when i'm in a new area after checking the boons it disapear

[latent moon]

The next boon offered from that God will appear next

That effect only works once per run

But you still like have the keepsake still for subsequent runs

[edgy topaz]

ahh now i get it

I though it was a bug since caron's items are the ones with time limit

thank you :3

[karmic idol]

Ur right .. is boon chambers included in that percentage for dark foresight?

[latent moon]

Yes

There's a graphic somewhere but idk where it is lmao

[jagged hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?ex=6733ed8a&is=67329c0a&hm=11a8d76caf5a90755237b32833bcd6e5d18fe027c748fa513253acc1fcd85005&

[latent moon]

Yeah that lmao thanks

[cyan bane]

Why does Hades keep crashing on the switch

It happened to me using demeter and now it's done it again by literally no reason

One of those great shields respawned and attacked me, and now the game froze

Plus this is during an actual good run

Having to restart it isn't too bad, but this is so annoying that it's just recurring

Ok what the hell is this. Why didn't it save the progress when I literally "saved and exited" the game

Yesterday I got off, and chose the "quit" option, and I was also right before fighting meg

So what it should've done is just put me back right before I fought meg, but it didn't do that?!?!?!?

Why are the saving mechanics in most of these games actual ass

[bronze holly]

I think it might be an issue on your end

Never happened to me

I play on switch

Also I would ask in #h1-tech-fixes or support

[cyan bane]

I just quit the game

Like closing it

There was nothing else I could do

[latent moon]

i dont play on switch but that's the first i've heard of that as well

the "quit" option has always worked fine for the people who played switch afaik

and it def works fine on steam/pc

[obsidian drum]

Me: Can't be this day be less bad?

The game:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034989109623672892/1305753414793433118/image.png

[latent moon]

tony my beloved

[obsidian drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456936596227358720/1282860652121292840/princess23.jpg

The most innocent Vermin

[rustic vale]

I’ve never had Hades crash on switch in 450 hours

On a relatively old switch

It may just be a you issue

[latent moon]

impressive considering i've had hades crash on pc before lmfao

maybe once or twice

and i only have like 100 more hours than you

and i'm pretty sure the crashes didn't happen in the last 100 hours

[rustic vale]

I mean it’s maybe crashed once? Or twice? But not a memorable amount

There’s no way it’s happened more than 3 times

I’ve had Subnautica below Zero lag out of hell because I kidnapped too many penglings and put them in aquariums

[void atlas]

AAAH irrelevant to hades but I cant not point out that i love the saiki profile

[stiff topaz]

I had an amazing run last night with 3 heroic boons and got cocky, ended up dying to Hades while he was at a 3rd of his health during the second phase T-T.

Keeps happening to me with the spear, I died to theseus in an earlier run while he was inches away from too

[tepid light]

that doesn't change the dislike i have for it on principle

but i don't want to give the whole spiel on my opinions about game difficulty again

[cursive prairie]

Playing without dash striking allows for a more casual snd slow paced gameplay, stripping the game of the button-mashy nature

[tepid light]

i am going to legit ask if this is a bait or what you actually believe

[cursive prairie]

What i believe

[tepid light]

would you rather accept a bit of button-mashing or die in every run

[cursive prairie]

Neither, it just means the runs take a bit more time, which is acceptable, im not speed-running the game

[tepid light]

I don't speedrun either, but here's the thing: dash-striking is hardly a difficult tool to use, and if the game gives you the tools, you ought to use them as best you can

Dash-striking is an integral part of combat, and if you don't use it, you're just unnecessarily hobbling yourself

Even if you don't speedrun, you'll have to deal with forced overtime in heat; and even if you don't do heat either, you'll develop habits that will hurt you in the long run, especially since there's certain boons/weapons that directly benefit your dash-strikes

[frail hull]

what else can i do with the ambrosia other than trading?

[daring badger]

Upgrading chronic companions

[frail hull]

aight imma save it then

i havent gotten to the companions part yet lol

ive just been doing fresh ruuns after defeating hades to try and beat my previous run

[cursive prairie]

True

[cyan bane]

Nah

I've played way more

This is just a new save

[cyan bane]

It's a new switch

It's the game

It makes sense why Demeter's call would crash, it's just too much for the switch to handle

So both are at fault

But there's really nothing you can do because that's just the switch was designed

[mint coral]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/pW00crStww
@lavish sorrel do you have fresh file resources

[lavish sorrel]

https://scientific-paprika-b40.notion.site/Hades-Fresh-File-First-Run-Info-2d647029f5c34252acbd38ad5e54b221 sophie's ff guide has pretty much everything

[mint coral]

Banger

[lavish sorrel]

@mint coral add to your reply that "fresh file is a very unique way of playing the game with very little skill-transfer from other stuff, considered to be about equal to 45 or 50+ heat depending on aspect."

in other words their 32 heat win isn't going to help all that much unless RI4 FO0 EM0 sword was part of their pact lmao

Ty

[rustic vale]

dashstriking isn’t a boolean “do or don’t” and neither is it making the game more fast paced

It’s a tool in your arsenal

there’s no need to completely write it off even if you don’t want to like fully lean into it

[rustic vale]

What

It’s literally not the switch’s fault because I often run builds that have way more flying around than a mere dem call

and it handles it fine

Hades is not as intenstve on the console as other games

“Demeter’s call would crash because it’s too much for the device to handle” I’ve run smouldering air with dem call before, so I’m dem calling every 5 seconds, did not notice any particular issues

and my switch shouldn’t be more powerful than your because I got my switch like right when they came out

I’d be surprised if Hades itself was the issue because a mere dem call ain’t that much

[mint coral]

The only time I've seen the switch slow down during hades is in rooms with lots of flamewheels

[tepid light]

real gamer move is to go faster in flamewheel rooms

[latent moon]

definitely 100% not the game, there's multiple switch users here that have not complained about the game crashing

also hell it works on phones too lmao

i would assume a switch is more powerful than an iphone in terms of running a game

[lavish sorrel]

Meanwhile my laptop:

Ahhhh I love playing on a potato 😌

[fervent radish]

Funny

Me when I have to press two buttons at the same time

If dash striking is turning your gameplay into button mashing, that’s an issue with your gameplay, not dash striking

[cursive prairie]

what do you think button combos are, you think a two button combo isnt a combo or something

[fervent radish]

Button mashing has a specific negative connotation as opposed to button combos, but if you weren’t trying to imply that, just say so

[latent moon]

i also wouldn't call a 2 button combo button mashing

[jagged hamlet]

Actually probably not

[daring badger]

Finally maxed all keepsakes
Feels so relieving knowing I no longer have to go through the entirety of styx every run just to level up keepsakes faster

[upper arrow]

I'm not gonna rule out the switch, only because like - yes - I have also got hundreds of hours in Hades on the switch, all since uhh July so it's pretty fresh in my mind, but the last time I played over the weekend (since this last switch update) it felt odd. ZL (Call) just .. wouldn't work??? I blamed the controller. But then I could pet Cerberus (also ZL) just fine.

This could so easily be chalked up to "lmao you've been playing too much H2" and that's fair! Mine didn't crash. But it did feel weird and the ZL thing was infuriating.

[wind shoal]

Purging a legendary boon is painful, but it wasn't integral to the build I was using, so it turned out fine, and I got the achievement.

[twilit lodge]

Most legendaries won’t be

[daring badger]

Wow, I have never seen this happen before
Equipped keepsake to guarantee zeus as first god, first room has hammer, then it's either aphrodite for next room, or go into erebus for zeus

[fervent radish]

Getting first god erebus’d is a thing yeah

[latent moon]

Happens to the best of us

[rustic vale]

As the definitive best Hades player

This never happens to me anymore (I haven’t played in like 6 months)

[latent moon]

real

[rustic vale]

I also haven’t lost any runs in as much time

[latent moon]

i've never lost a single run ever

[rustic vale]

I actually got to credits on my first escape attempt ever

[mint coral]

Bro found a wrong warp

[rustic vale]

Actually I specifically lined up my switch with a sun ray

[bronze holly]

🥔

[cyan bane]

NOOOOO

Maybe it is something wrong with my switch

It froze again, probably because I didn't quit out of it

But mannn I'm literally right before fighting Hades

[cyan bane]

Well no matter

I'll use the spear this time

[twilit lodge]

Sounds like you might have issues with your sd card

Try moving hades to internal memory if it isn’t there already

[frozen idol]

man i’ve been trying to forge a bond with ares but he still hasn’t given me his minor prophecy to fulfill, i’m well over 80 runs in 😭

[daring badger]

Yep, had this same issue literally not that long ago, came here to ask if I was missing something because I genuinely started considering the possibility I was, it took that long

[cursive prairie]

The more enemy spawning pact tends to be overwhelming because they would be soamming some kind of long range spell or somethjng and everythinf fills up the screen and i just lose track of where i am and what im doinf

[rustic vale]

It’s one of the worst

it means you have to spend more time in each room, and exponentially increases the risk of each room tbh

[cursive prairie]

Its kind of manageable with the melee enemies but the witches is so much more annoying

[rustic vale]

It’s not the worst pact in the world on it’s own but it just gets worse the more heat you have

same can be said for the other defensive pacts, like calesthenics program and damage control

[glossy beacon]

For the merciful end aspect of Demeter build, should I have fated persuasion or fated authority

[rustic vale]

Honestly unless you’re doing some silly challenge, regardless of build, the answer is persuasion

[glossy beacon]

👍 ty

[rustic vale]

They’re mainly good for rerolling hermes and chaos boons (since you recieve a super limited amount of those), but you also use them occasionally to reroll wells and purging pools (if you have underworld customs on even more so) and regular olympian boons

I mean merciful end builds don’t get as much benefit from chaos so you can probably keep them for just hermes and your main gods and maybe use them on purging pools/wells if you need to

[fervent radish]

It becomes more manageable with dash striking

Just throw divine dash on there and everything becomes much more safe

[rustic vale]

Dash striking does in fact make the game like at least 75% easier

[cursive prairie]

Fair enough

[stiff topaz]

I got end credits!

at a lucky time too cause that rail build i had going was not great, i might have died to hades if we actually fought

[daring badger]

Congrats!

[cyan bane]

Oh I can't post imagesM

?

[twilit lodge]

Nope

Can post media links though and they will embed

So for example, post the pic in your own private discord server and then copy the media link

[bronze holly]

Does forced overtime make stuff spawn faster

Or nah

I feel like I heard that somewhere

[latent moon]

yeah it makes stuff spawn faster

[cyan bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1306447010840444968/1306447057921380422/PXL_20241114_001044845.MP.jpg?ex=6736b323&is=673561a3&hm=12c3230b36b09d6f85fca662fded7bb5c60da959df1562308cb4adbf2ef03143&

[cyan bane]

Crazy

[twilit lodge]

Never seen 3 duos at once

[noble hare]

insane luck

[cyan bane]

It was from one of the boons in Temple of Styx, and I may have had some chaos boons that increased the rarity

But yea very lucky

[rustic vale]

You just have bad luck

[rustic vale]

wdym “one of the boons in the temple of styx” cuz like

[cyan bane]

From charon's shop

[rustic vale]

Yeah but there’s a difference between the 300 and 150

[cyan bane]

They have like boosted rarity I believe

[rustic vale]

@mint coral the 300 obol styx shop boons operate identically to miniboss room boons right

[cyan bane]

The more expensive ones

[rustic vale]

Cuz those have increased rarity but decreased duo/legendary

[mint coral]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Even more rare lol, you got it from a boon that had decreased duo/legend odds

It’s like a base 10% instead of regular boons having 12%

[cyan bane]

Wow

[rustic vale]

Although if you had rarity boosting boons it’s less rare lol

The difference between a 23% and 21% chance is way less than 12% and 10%

[mighty fractal]

I had a dream once and I think this would be a killer mod: playing Hades but you gotta outrun an unkillable Hades that chases you from room to room

[rustic vale]

it’d be interesting for sure

[twilit lodge]

I just don’t open 3 duos at once

[rustic vale]

REAL

[twilit lodge]

I hope dude took lightning rod tho

Heart rend is a lot more common to see, at least if you’re using straightforward builds

[latent moon]

Heart rend is more popular and straight forward to understand

[languid fox]

do you think Shades that were allergic to dogs in life lose their allergy in the afterlife, or are they just screwed? looks at Cerberus

[tepid light]

given that they don't have flesh-and-blood bodies anymore, i'd assume they don't have allergies anymore

if they do, it might just be a psychological thing

[rustic vale]

Actually given that shades don’t seem to lose their allergy to weapons

[potent furnace]

sometimes during the hades fight, the ring that comes out of him at the start of his second phase is invisible. is that a just a feature that has some cause I'm not aware of? or is it not supposed to happen

[latent moon]

that's not supposed to happen lmao

it's a known-ish bug

idk what causes it to go invisible sometimes tho

[lavish sorrel]

not just his p2 start shockwave, can also happen to the dad-cast shockwaves

freaking annoying bug

[frozen idol]

does high confidence really make a difference?

[fervent radish]

Mostly in Tartarus

25% global is substantial for late game too, but it depends on whether you’re staying healthy

[frozen idol]

i guess it makes sense to use fiery presence in tandem with high confidence

i'm better at keeping high confidence up with ranged weapons, less so with melee weapons aside from the shield

[fervent radish]

Mostly everything uses fiery

[latent moon]

it's mainly used if you don't have an issue with clearing, so generally like resource farming or speedrunning

it is very good tho, 25% is a lot

helps hit a lot of break points for key interactions/aspects

[frozen idol]

i’ll keep that in mind

[opaque fiber]

What’s a good build to get first clear

[fervent radish]

Just pick your favorite weapon, none of them are better or worse for first clear

[opaque fiber]

I just learnt that I can transfer save data from my switch so I don’t need to but thanks

I’m so happy I really want to play but don’t feel like unlocking crap again lol

[opaque fiber]

what build works with beowolf i have never played it but ik its good its level 4

[rustic vale]

Flood flare + artemis strike + mirage shot = bug big damage

[opaque fiber]

flood lare is pos yes?

[rustic vale]

Mirage shot is bugged to deal 100% damage on Bugowulf’s flare booons

[opaque fiber]

also how do i get rama

[rustic vale]

Same way you get the other normal hidden aspects

[opaque fiber]

k

[rustic vale]

5 titans blood in the weapon, talk to the necessary npc with the weapon in a run and get the line where she acknowledges you using it (artemis), then run any weapon and taking to necessary npc (artemis) till you get the awakening phrase

[opaque fiber]

this is busted

[broken fractal]

Hey guys! I'm a relatively newer player here!

I used to play a few months ago but barely made it out of tartarus, got back to the game 2 days ago after like a year, and after watching some YT video,s realized there's more to the game than random boons 💀

So yeah now I've almost beat the Theseus and Minotaur fight at the end of Elysium, but I'm kinda stuck there. Can someone give an tips for how to beat it?

This is what I'm using so far:

• Varatha the Eternal Spear(with Aspect of Achilles)
• Flurry Jab Daedalus Enchantment
• Ares' Doom boon(Inflict doom on attack)
• Poseidon/Zeus Dash AoE damage boon

Dude I get it, I'm talking about Hades 1 chill

(Also don't worry about spoiling the game for me, I've already seen the ending and extra easter eggs and stuff as well)

[fervent radish]

Pretty solid build, Artemis or Zeus would work better on attack

[opaque fiber]

try zag spear with artmis on attack and big spinny hammer

[fervent radish]

Hunting blades also goes hard on Achilles

[fervent radish]

Base spear spin is probably one of the worst attacks in the game

Flurry jab>>>

[mint coral]

#h1-for-new-players message heroes stuff in general

[opaque fiber]

hades spear prob good?

[old bluff]

No

Hades spear bad

[opaque fiber]

i dont play spear or h1 enough if you can tell

[opaque fiber]

i just lost to heros to : (

[fervent radish]

It’s fine

Best case is doom tag on attack+merciful end

Or arty attack serrated point

[twilit lodge]

Do people really think stickybot is calling them out specifically 💀

Or reading their messages

[opaque fiber]

idk lol

[jagged hamlet]

"Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind."
- Shakespeare

[opaque fiber]

shakespeare is dead why listen to him
-me when rn

[opaque fiber]

whats good for rama aphro?

[rustic vale]

Zeus, twin/triple shot, perfect, point blank, explosive (? It’s been a while)

[latent moon]

never explosive lmao

[latent moon]

but yeah zeus (dio/ares work too) on the special, aphro on the attack

if you know you're gonna get twin/triple then artemis attack is also fine

artemis dash is really good as well

[brisk trail]

https://youtu.be/-9DQCWVvu2A got this video on my feed and decided to try out a tight deadline run for the first time ever after not playing for months and months

i got all the way to hades and died in phase 1, but for a first attempt it wasnt too bad

[twilit lodge]

That video is fascinating

A live look into a Reddit player’s POV

[opaque fiber]

Why do you say that

[old bluff]

I love all the people complaining about Than blocking the door as if he didn’t save them 30+ seconds

[rustic vale]

Avg reddit player cannot finish a run in less than 45minutes

[opaque fiber]

Oh lol

[mint coral]

Tbf esrly Than is mean

[opaque fiber]

Huh

[mint coral]

Than w/o menu I mean

[opaque fiber]

K

[brisk trail]

i havent played in a few months but i think my average before the break was around 20s?

and i got to hades with 4 mins left on this run because i was playing as recklessly as i could

[rustic vale]

The avg reddit player is really horrible at the game

[brisk trail]

arent redditors just bad at everything

[old bluff]

REALLY HORRIBLE

[rustic vale]

Yes

[old bluff]

Yeah pretty much

[jagged hamlet]

Nuh uhhh. They're good at whining and being wrong

[brisk trail]

you got me there

[rustic vale]

that’s why they all coagulate there

[old bluff]

So true Besty

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1304193089212252191/63DD6F8C-3C76-4133-B605-A4C6A1FE6215.jpg?ex=672e7ff7&is=672d2e77&hm=ed5400dae14eb66fb6089dec1f9a035ddc5773f3e87be2f8dab1b1b6d89a00ff&

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

wdym, frost strike talos is good

[rustic vale]

My fsvoueite graph

[old bluff]

Demeter attack Eris

[rustic vale]

Wdym tidal flourish chaos isn’t broken

[old bluff]

It’s the pinochle of art

[latent moon]

dem atk luci is good tho

[old bluff]

Just cuz wr has it doesn’t mean it is good

[latent moon]

dem atk luci is so good

arctic blast goes hard

[cyan bane]

This build is so good

Chiron

Artemis and aphro with dio

Best build so far

Is it normal to unlock Hades' chambers before the administrative chambers?

[broken fractal]

Is there any specific Artemis or Zeus boons I should be looking out for?

[broken fractal]

I like Achilles spear because you can throw it and dash through enemies dealing damage to them

So it helps me get out of sticky situations sometimes, so I don't get cornered

[fierce junco]

thats peak

[rustic vale]

Appreciated

[fierce junco]

anytime, had i not came around i would have never checked out other aspects

zeus aspect on aegis my beloved

[opaque fiber]

beowolf is on top

go be sticky some where else

[rustic vale]

[fervent radish]

Hunters mark, static discharge

@broken fractal

[cyan bane]

Aspect of demeter this time around

[twilit lodge]

Reasonably so, the admin chamber takes a lot of conversation rng and if you’re progressing at a decent clip you’ll get credits before then

[rustic osprey]

Been playing for a good while and got a good amount of wins now but the game just kinda feels borin, how should i make each run a bit more different?

[jagged hamlet]

High heat! Or speeeeed! Or both!

[opaque fiber]

Mods

[rustic osprey]

Unfortunately i play switch

[latent moon]

speedrunning or increasing heat

assuming you've hit credits, both of those are pretty fun ways to change up how you play

and massively improve how you play if you're interested in that

otherwise there's fun challenges like hitless, boonless, mirrorless, and fresh file

also damageless which is different to hitless lmao

[twilit lodge]

Fun expressly prohibited

[stiff topaz]

are you limited to 2 hammers per run (besides the one you can by at the end from charon)?

[cyan bane]

Yea, and I'm like already 9-10 escapes in only 22-23 escape attempts total

So then once I escape again this time around, there's only be 12 failed escape attempts

[broken fractal]

Gotcha, I'll try em

Thanks for the advice 🙏

[fiery bridge]

yo guys yesterdat i finally beat hades

ik

took me 50 tries or so

last idk 10 i would alwasy end in king and bull fight or hades fight

but i finally beat it

then proceeded to beat it again

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[cyan bane]

Yay I beat the game a second time

[cyan bane]

Same

Now I just gotta unlock all the hidden aspects

[stiff topaz]

bad influence or positive outlook? i have hangover attack on aspect of rama rn

and no other ways of giving hangover atm

[mint coral]

How did you end up with hangover atk

[stiff topaz]

1st boon i got

attack inflicts hangover

[mint coral]

What were the other optiosn

[lavish sorrel]

and wait why are not forcing zeus, aphrodite or artemis on rama

[stiff topaz]

dash or cast i think, i took dio dash for like 3 runs before this so didnt wanna do that and i dont use cast much

cause im not purpose building

[tepid light]

i don't mean to be condescending but i do honestly think that keeping your attack un-booned would have been better than taking dio attack

[stiff topaz]

ok

[lavish sorrel]

you absolutely want a %-based attack for rama, and can choose a special at will (although having a separate flat damage source on special [AKA zeus or dionysus] tends to be reliable)

[stiff topaz]

maybe ill purge that and take positive outlook rn?

should i not be asking these questions here unless im forcing builds and not just playing?

[tepid light]

there's nothing wrong with just playing, but i don't think you want to fall into really bad habits either

it's just one run, so purge it if you can but don't worry too much if you can't

take the above advice into account later on

[stiff topaz]

its more about if im asking in the wrong channel, this is not the 1st time i havent got an actual answer to my question but instead got a 'why arent you running an entirely different boon?' response

more than anything it makes me wanna quit the run cause it does sound like im playing 'wrong' no matter how much you wanna say its not when thats the 1st response

should i ask this in new players instead? or not at all?

[opaque fiber]

Should I spend all my ambrosia on tb

[mint coral]

regarding those boons the answer is kinda, take whatever

I'd take highest rarity to sell later

Or also what's the third option

[stiff topaz]

i think it was cast again

[mint coral]

Prob just the highest rarity between the other two then yeah

[mint coral]

Early game is fine

There's excess ambrosia/no early uses for it

Just don't go crazy

[tepid light]

You'll run into that kind of response in a lot of gaming servers, especially in this one imo

I think my honest advice in that sort of situation is just to pick whichever boon sounds the best and see how it goes

If it gets results, keep doing it

If not, try something else

[opaque fiber]

Yeah what heat do you need to beat to have all the tb for all aspects

[mint coral]

Even with all bounties/prophecies you don't have enough to max all aspects

[stiff topaz]

i got more than enough titans blood without much heat at all

[mint coral]

Need to fish/trade away

[opaque fiber]

Well that seems counter intuitive

[stiff topaz]

for unlocking all the aspects there should be more than enough. Or atleast im swimming in titans blood for some reason that i dont know

[daring badger]

You get more ambrosia than you need though, and wretched broker can convert it into titan blood

[twilit lodge]

[opaque fiber]

you only need 6 right

what aspect should i max next i have all expect hidden for fist

[twilit lodge]

You need at least one ambrosia for every relationship

Plus a bunch for each summon

[opaque fiber]

I’m only getting summons don’t feel like maxing every friendship out

[twilit lodge]

Boring

[opaque fiber]

Nuh uh

[daring badger]

I'm at the point I maxed every relationship, every summon, and got both profile themes that cost ambrosia, and still have like 50 more to earn from bounties

[opaque fiber]

You get stuff from 0-50 heat right

[daring badger]

0-20, or 5-25 on hell mode

[opaque fiber]

Oh ok

[twilit lodge]

Per weapon

[opaque fiber]

Yeah ik

[molten arch]

Me trying to avoid as many spoilers about hades 2 as much as possible(I accidentally saw an update trailer AAAA)

[molten arch]

What does he'll mode actually do?

[opaque fiber]

Make it harder

[old bluff]

Makes you play on at least 5 heat with one of those five heat being a new pact

That’s it

[twilit lodge]

It forces 5 specific heat options to always be on

Bounties go from 0-20 to 5-25

As a result

[fierce junco]

these pacts specifically https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1169147290112491540/1307525357024444476/downloadfile57.jpg?ex=673a9f61&is=67394de1&hm=da63fb3fb6cf84299dc08bd28a1b8ac6993e4251d1326229f6a151fac9b080e8&

if you don't know:
Hard Labour: enemies deal 20% more damage
Lasting Consequences: 25% tax on all healing
Jury Summons: 20% more foes spawn
Calisthenics Program: Enemies have 15% more health

[rustic vale]

Jury summons and calesthenics program are the real permanent disadvantage ngl

[fierce junco]

yeahhhhh

[twilit lodge]

And personal liability is the hell mode exclusive heat option

It makes your invulnerability after being hit shorter

[old bluff]

It makes it not exist

[twilit lodge]

Standing in a snakestone laser in Styx makes me wonder how much it ever existed, sometimes

[tepid light]

WEEAAAAAAK

[cursive prairie]

That exists??

[latent moon]

yeah

the shield comes up when your hp gets absolutely chunked

or hit a lot consecutively

notably the splitters in ely and laser beam enemies

when you get chunked it's generally like a % of your max hp before the shield comes up

[cursive prairie]

Ok you’re talking about the shield boons?

[tepid light]

No, it's a baseline thing

If you get hit with a big chunk of damage at once, you will very briefly be made invulnerable to prevent you from instantly dying

[cursive prairie]

So basically one shot insurance

[indigo badge]

it's mostly noticeable in Elysium

three enemies hit you at once but you only receive damage from one strike

[cursive prairie]

Shield hidden aspect is difficult to use with highly mobile enemies

Like the bull

[cursive prairie]

Ah, makes sense

[rustic vale]

The aoe of your casts is usually solid enough to hit as long as you’re pointed in vaguely the right direction

[cursive prairie]

The bull jumps towards me when i am aiming/shooting jn his direction

So we just kind of swap positions

[broken fractal]

How do you have the Hades role?

How do you get it

[mint coral]

#server-roles

[broken fractal]

Got it, thanks!

[regal canyon]

can someone explain zeus's favor? im quite confused about it and the wiki doesnt say much.

[daring badger]

After you pick a boon from Zeus, and then pick up a boon from someone else you haven't got a boon from yet earlier in the run, they have a chance to tell you their opinion of Zeus. Every god has lines like this for every god, but for Zeus' favor, you need to hear enough opinions about him, and then get a line from him that acknowledges you've heard enough opinions about him, and the heart will unlock.

[regal canyon]

thanks, but do you know how much opinions you need, or how to trigger the gods to say the dialogue about zeus?

[daring badger]

I believe you need at least 5 opinions. You just have to get lucky for them to say it.

[regal canyon]

alr thanks i understand it know

[regal canyon]

do you just need to have 6 hearts with zeus cause i heard something about an opinion from hades

[daring badger]

Just 6 hearts

[regal canyon]

ok cool

[stiff topaz]

is tidal dash bad for malphon? also would aphrodite be any good? or should i ignore her and hope for a better god?

[lavish sorrel]

tidal dash can be tricky to use but is incredibly powerful on close to any weapon / aspect when used poperly

[tepid light]

Tidal dash is considered a good dash in general, I'd say it's even better on twin fists because of how close to enemies you get and how frequently you're dashing around

[stiff topaz]

alright and what about aphro? i have zeus, demeter and posiedon so far, im thinking of ignoring her and hoping for a different god

[tepid light]

Aphrodite dash? Not really that great, even if you're not trying to be 'optimal' with your boon selection

You'd be better off with the dashes of any of those other three gods imo

[stiff topaz]

no not dash, just having her in the god pool in general

[tepid light]

Oh

In that case, I think she's fine to take

[mint coral]

You almost always have a big hit move to put her in yeah

And if you are using zeus you can pivot into smair

[buoyant harbor]

https://imgur.com/1He11Fb
Refreshing to still see new dialogue from the game after almost 400 hours of play time 😄

I also keep wondering if there's still a Hypno line I might've missed. Are there any ways to die that one might miss easily, even after purposefully resetting a lot of runs by dying to whatever was there in every layer?

[mint coral]

ik he has a line for dying like 500 times but not sure about specific enemies

[buoyant harbor]

I might've seen that already. I probably have.

Pretty sure I average around 2-3 deaths per hour of playtime at this point '^^

[rustic vale]

I know I got one for like… the skeletons in asphodel sometime in the last 40 runs (I have like 450 escape attempts)

[regal canyon]

guys with zeus's favor does zeus need to say a specific dialogue at the start of the run for the other gods to give their opinions about him?

[rustic vale]

…I don’t think you need a dialogue from him but it’s been a whileeee

[regal canyon]

alr thanks

wait does the favor count within 1 run or multiple

[rustic vale]

Multiple ☠️ getting 6 gods to give you specific dialogues in one run would be… difficult to say the least

[buoyant harbor]

You'd have to go out of your way to even see 6 gods.

[rustic vale]

Get 4 in tartarus, force a 5th one in in asphodel and a 6th one in in elysium

Or get 5 in tart thru shop rng and force a 6th one in

[buoyant harbor]

That's assuming Hermes doesn't count, but yeah.

[lean aspen]

what is the ambrosia do i have 5 of them and never used it unless to trade

[buoyant harbor]

You can give it to NPCs later in the game.

[lean aspen]

and how to unlock the 4th aspect of the spare

[mint coral]

check #h1-story-discussion pinned messages

[lean aspen]

and lastly i gave ares all of nectars until the last one has golden border and lock symbol

what does it mean?

[mint coral]

need to do a favor/quest

[buoyant harbor]

Just as a piece of advise: Don't trade away your Ambrosia. Save it. You'll hit a point where you'll always be short on Ambrosia.

[mint coral]

clearing the lock is what lets you gift ambrosia

eh, I'd trade the first few ambrosia

there's excess of it vs blood

just don't go overboard

[lean aspen]

and how i am suppouse to clear it?

[mint coral]

for ares is doing his prophecy of killing 10k enemies

he'll give it to you at some point

for others check their respective wiki page

[lean aspen]

i already did it

[buoyant harbor]

Okay that might depend on play style. I didn't feel a lack of blood early on, as I was more eager to progress the character stories than to become more powerful.

[mint coral]

just keep talking to him then

[lean aspen]

war-gods bloodlust

its done'

[buoyant harbor]

Most of the game's unlocks will just eventually be unlocked if you keep playing.

[mint coral]

there's some rng as when the dialogues will pop up but just keep trying

[lean aspen]

and still didnt understood how unlock the 4th aspect from text ill hop to youtube

[mint coral]

I'd advice against that

most guides can be

for hidden spear you want 5 non zag aspects unlocked in general and have reached dad once

then achilles will give you the dialogue at some point

[lean aspen]

damn already 40 hours in game

[lean aspen]

oh lemme count how many i have

[mint coral]

the other weapons are, invest 5 blood into it, talk to X character, get line

[hollow granite]

is this enough scaling
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683094068766572868/1068239891030351912/image.png?ex=673b8aec&is=673a396c&hm=a4c3297a5ab961481f8d35407282f6498005769f014cdfed964e5cc411c05326&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[mint coral]

lmao

[lean aspen]

nope make it 50

[rustic vale]

Nah

[rustic vale]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[regal canyon]

none of them are even appearing after like 5 runs with 5 gods each (including hermes)

[rustic vale]

Rng dialogue moment lol

[regal canyon]

dang

[rustic vale]

You can only get unique dialogues the first time you encounter an npc in a run anyways iirc

[regal canyon]

wait i thought you needed a zeus boon first

[buoyant harbor]

Okay honestly, maybe this is a hot take, but imo Hades is a better game experience when you don't worry about all the possible secret unlocks and rng dialogue and just let them appear when they do.

And just unlock what you can when you can.

[regal canyon]

true but im attempting to 100% the game and its alr been 100 hours

[buoyant harbor]

100 hours is... not that much if your goal is to 100% the game '^^

[regal canyon]

ik but i wanna know information so see if im wasting my time without a requirement or not

[rustic vale]

Truly 100%ing the game takes far more than 100 hours

[buoyant harbor]

I think when I got the 100% I has like 300ish hours.

[rustic vale]

If you take Ranks out of the equation you drop 100%ing the game by like at least 200hrs

[mint coral]

I like the dialogue system on paper but god when it doesn't wanna cooperate it just sucks

see Than and Hypnos mostly

or the absolute edge case of that gilga player

[buoyant harbor]

And even that didn't have all the dialogue options, and I'm still only halfway through the resource ranks after 500 hours.

[regal canyon]

i am not doing those ranks those are crazy

[rustic vale]

Otherwise discounting ranks I’d finished 100%ing Hades like… 150hrs in maybe? idk

It’s been forever

[buoyant harbor]

But my point being: If you still haven't unlocked all the weapon aspects, you can stop worrying about secret unlocks and just play the game. They'll tell you how to unlock them in time.

This goes for every game aspect that's visually "not yet unlockable".

[rustic vale]

If you solely focus on unlocking the hidden aspects you’ll just get bored when they don’t come, just play the game for other reasons and get them on the way

[mint coral]

Especially if those hiddens are shield/fists lol

[rustic vale]

fists is a doozy

[mint coral]

Imagine if Than had a hidden aspect

Trying to get it while you still go through his entire story line or hypnos favor

[brisk trail]

Skelly Quest - Skelly once asked me to kill him, but I didn't do it with the correct weapon (Stygius), I've played 70 hours and this dialogue hasn't been repeated so far, is there any chance of him appearing again?

[mint coral]

If the prophecy is open already you should just be able to do it at any moment once you max out zag blade

Unless I'm misunderstanding your issue

[cyan bane]

Does anyone have some really fun build ideas

[fervent radish]

any aspect?

[cyan bane]

I think so, but I don't have Hades, Poseidon, Beowulf, rama, Lucifer, or malphon one

Or Hestia

[fervent radish]

zeus shield with zeus boons, dio, ares, and artemis wherever

[cyan bane]

This one is interesting

[fervent radish]

you can kinda just stack whatever flat damage you find

static discharge is very important

[cyan bane]

Still need it and zeus' special

Gave me a hammer with no explosive return

[twilit lodge]

Suffering

[fervent radish]

such is unmodded

[near vapor]

Almost defeated hades but man he's hard to beat
Granted I'm sure all I need is to remember his attack patterns but I'm not good at remembering things

[rustic vale]

He doesn’t really have pattern to remember as much as individual moves to learn to dodge tbh

[twilit lodge]

Always double empty dash into him for the spins

Until you’re better at the game this is crucial

[tepid light]

Yeah you'll probably eat some spins getting the timing on the i-frames right, but it's very helpful once you get it down

[buoyant harbor]

This one's not particularly good, but it got me my first 42 heat because I was stubborn: Bow aspect of Chiron, Artemis' Special, Aphrodite's Attack, Heart Rend

Also funny on the same weapon (but even less good): Poseidon Special, Zeus Dash or Call, Sea Storm

[lavish sorrel]

The element weighing down that build is chiron tbh. It would be great on zagbow or nemesis.

[buoyant harbor]

That's what I'm saying. I was stubborn, so I went ahead and got my 42 heat with my favorite aspect knowing it's not that good xD

[keen blaze]

Watching my sibling play Hades for the first time ever

It’s really funny

[bright hill]

I finally had a run where all boons line up. Chiron bow with aphrodite attack, dio special, athene dash, artemis call and boons and all the duo boons.. I was so excited for hades fight.. but it was my 10th escape lol.. so fight skipped.

[buoyant harbor]

damn, that's lowkey unfortunate xD

[mint coral]

Lmfaoooo

I read the first part of the message and thought "is gonna be their 10th escape no"

[cyan bane]

That one was really really good

[buoyant harbor]

It's the optimal build for Chiron, which is still not very good because it's Chiron xD

But I'm glad to have found another Chiron enjoyer if that's you 😄

[lavish sorrel]

Optimal build for chiron is playing it like bad zagbow

Pseudotech (animation cancel that makes bow attack faster to execute) is a gamechanger

[buoyant harbor]

Nah, Arty special actually does a lot of work. It doesn't quite counteract the loss of Zag crit-chance, but it's enough to make using the special better than not using the special on Chiron specifically.