just get 2 in the same run
#h1-discussion
grand mirage
iirc you need to get a chaos boon first before you get a chance to get it
latent moon
yeah
limber raft
It's literally like, after it showed up I saw it again like 2 runs later and I'm like bro. Chaos pls.
Mhm, I'd go egg, spend all my resets on well of charon to try to get more chaos gates to appear
I got very bored of doing that every time lol
old bluff
Ahh Egg, the most misleading keepsake ever
regal epoch
How do you get all the special end screens
old bluff
Egg does not affect your chances of seeing the Lego from Chaos
limber raft
Yeah, I know. But i figured it's better to be definitely able to enter the chaos gate even if it shows up when I'm at low health
latent moon
How do you get all the special end screens
do all the work orders and the themes will appear at the contractor table
limber raft
Yeah, I know. But i figured it's better to be definitely able to enter the chaos...
I unfortunately learned that only after like 20 attempts and then looking it up though, lol
grand mirage
oh the end screens with designs lol
yeah you have to purchase it from contractor after some time
i think it appears after you finish all the work
regal epoch
What are the easiest pact things to do
limber raft
What are the easiest pact things to do
For like, low heat?
regal epoch
Yea
limber raft
Extreme measures 1 and 2 are pretty good cause they only affect the earlier bosses which aren't as hard
rustic vale
tight deadline 1 if you're not horrendously slow
sorry horrendously slow might be a bit aggressive
limber raft
If you haven't maxed out the mirror, the one that deactivates 3 mirror skills is good for lower heat too cause it just gets rid of your rerolls which you might not even have bought yet
rustic vale
real
latent moon
rip dark foresight tho
limber raft
True
latent moon
10% dark foresight is still good
rustic vale
ri2 was free heat on my 2nd clear 32 heat clear save file
latent moon
ri4 was free heat when i did 34 heat
regal epoch
The hell does dark foresight even do
rustic vale
grand mirage
10% dark foresight is still good
its 20% when maxed but yeah its great
latent moon
The hell does dark foresight even do
more gold laurel rewards,
so more hearts, boons, earlier hammer, poms
more gold
rustic vale
The hell does dark foresight even do
more gold laurels (boons, hearts, obols, hammers)
Less blue laurels (darkness, keys, gifts, etc)
grand mirage
less chance to get resource chambers
old bluff
Every time I see Shackle post an image, I think it is the god damn Zag bow gif
latent moon
rustic vale
hey you weren't here for the sword tierlist era were you
latent moon
lmfao
old bluff
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/892595763283124224/1142475602260144228/...
My guy is speaking straight facts
latent moon
i remember that
rustic vale
It's just how I am
I make somethign and I reference it constantly because y'know
I made it
and I think it's helpful
regal epoch
What is the other one
regal epoch
Yes
latent moon
olympian favor
rustic vale
can't even remember the name cuz I never use it
latent moon
40% more chance to get rare boons
which isn't like bad
it's just that dark foresight is just much better
bc you actually get boons lmao
grand mirage
true
rustic vale
rarer boons matter less when you get less of them
old bluff
Are we trying to summon Museus
latent moon
you also (ideally) use god's pride, so you'd still have a 20% epic boon boost
rustic vale
Every time I see Shackle post an image, I think it is the god damn Zag bow gif
there was a period of time where this was the zag bow clip
clear rain
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1092918262649602058/...
how do i send screenshots i found something silly funny happen
rustic vale
take an image link of your image and send it here
clear rain
how do i do that
grand mirage
image link
clear rain
its a computer image
rustic vale
clear rain
oh ok ill put the images somewhere else first
rustic vale
if it's a link I have somewhere other than discord I just send it somewhere on discord and
yeah
limber raft
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1092918262649602058/...
Real
latent moon
he's faster than the other olympain gods so he does whatever he wants
rustic vale
Hermes is like a hammer
old bluff
it won't mind
What, stickybot is well known for its witty comebacks
latent moon
yeah
limber raft
Hermes goes, "ares is looking for you but I'm faster than him teehee"
clear rain
lmao
twin thistle
I think stickybot minds
grand mirage
it does
grand mirage
server rules
rustic vale
doesn't stop kids from getting on it
and no reason to allow swearing on your official company discord
regal epoch
You are loved stickybot 
clear rain
doom is kinda busted
ngl
yippee
i died when the second boss had under 1/10 hp đ
im never getting that diamond
timid hedge
Hello, I just got into hades yesterday I have around 20 hrs (dont question my playtime, I have no life) would anyone be down to tell me what the best build I could run be? DM pls
fervent radish
Hello, I just got into hades yesterday I have around 20 hrs (dont question my pl...
Depends on aspect
tepid plover
20 hrs in a day is wild, I like you
clear rain
Hello, I just got into hades yesterday I have around 20 hrs (dont question my pl...
you have less a life than me, also #h1-builds-and-combat :3 if you want builds
timid hedge
I dunno what build to do tho I have 2 finished runs with maxed aspect of zagreus on shield
fervent radish
I dunno what build to do tho I have 2 finished runs with maxed aspect of zagreus...
aphrodite on attack and look for charged shot, pulverizing blow, or dashing wallop, in order of desirability
timid hedge
im just farming titans blood rn for aspects
obsidian drum
i died when the second boss had under 1/10 hp đ
If it helps you, I can't pass Hades with the shield even if I leave it on the less heat as possible
timid hedge
I wanna try other weapons
fervent radish
your best build will depend on the aspect you pick
clear rain
If it helps you, I can't pass Hades with the shield even if I leave it on the le...
which boss is hades
obsidian drum
which boss is hades
The last one
tepid plover
which boss is hades
The final boss
obsidian drum
I can pass him with the sword, the spear and the fists. I can't beat him with the shield yet.
Not counting the gun and the bow because I haven't use them yet
clear rain
damn
timid hedge
your best build will depend on the aspect you pick
which aspects and weapons do I pick tho?
based on my stage of the game
timid hedge
well 2 heat isnt that early on
latent moon
it's still relatively early on
obsidian drum
Just make sure in play in God mode if you want to practice first or want to focus more into the story
clear rain
im against using god mode
obsidian drum
clear rain
morally unnacceptable
timid hedge
real
latent moon
god mode's fine
timid hedge
no
latent moon
there's nothing wrong with using god mode
timid hedge
morally unnacceptable
.
clear rain
i get that its just brain shti ig
obsidian drum
I'm using it because I want to enjoy the plot. That's the wonderful thing about Hades.
latent moon
if y'all dont want to use it that's fine but don't say it's morally unacceptable to use it
tepid plover
well 2 heat isnt that early on
Do I have a story for you
clear rain
if y'all dont want to use it that's fine but don't say it's morally unacceptable...
i mean like personally
rustic vale
well 2 heat isnt that early on
it really is
clear rain
i dont mean like everyone its just personally
obsidian drum
if y'all dont want to use it that's fine but don't say it's morally unacceptable...
Specially trying to censor yourself to not being picked by a mod.
fervent radish
what
clear rain
?
obsidian drum
Then good for you, but the game has its charms for any kind of gamer, you don't need to be a "hardcore game" to claim that because you don't use god mode.
rustic vale
God Mode is a valid way to play unless you want your run to be in consideration for community achievements such as speed and heat
fervent radish
anyways, god mode is an intended way to play the game, but my recommendation is to only play it if you're truly stuck or really don't care for the normal gameplay
timid hedge
is the rail any good?
fervent radish
yeah
timid hedge
thats the wpn I prolly enjoy the most tbh
fervent radish
it's one of the stronger weapons
rustic vale
you can't go wrong with any of the weapons
there are just a few that go right
more than others
rail is one of them that goes right
tepid plover
All are good, some are just better
timid hedge
whats the best aspect
tepid plover
It depends, for what
latent moon
technically speaking it's always gonna be beo
tepid plover
clear rain
OMG YES I BEAT THE 2ND BOSS
timid hedge
that the hidden thingy?
tepid plover
Bros gonna lose his mind looking for beo now
clear rain
i got silly diamond :3
latent moon
hidden shield yeah
timid hedge
nice
timid hedge
should I try to get hidden aspects?
latent moon
on my 2nd save i got it first try but it was also like between runs 4-10 lmfao
tepid plover
You have to remember hades is still a roguelike at its core, this isn't something like your regular rpg
timid hedge
wait so I need to spend 5 titans blood and then spend more on the guan shi aspect?
of the spear
tepid plover
Guan yu
timid hedge
wdym
tepid plover
There's a pinned message on #h1-story-discussion
latent moon
reveal it
you just need 5 non-zag aspects to unlock guan yu
then after that you need to invest 5 titan blood into whatever weapon to get the hidden aspect of that weapon
tepid plover
Rekt
timid hedge
wdym?
latent moon
all the weapons have 1 aspect that only needs 1 blood to unlock
at which point you can unlock guan yu
and then after that beo
timid hedge
I have 4 titans blood rn and 5 in zag of shield so what should I put it in rn?
Im dum lol
latent moon
realistically speaking any aspect you want, but if you want to hit the 5 non-zag aspect quota
wait nvm you need 1 more then lmfao
tepid plover
Assuming you want beowulf
timid hedge
ye but I dont have guan yu
latent moon
if you want to min-max towards beo put your blood into the aspects that need 1 blood to unlock
timid hedge
which aspect do I put it in?
latent moon
1 into nemesis/achilles/chiron/talos/eris
timid hedge
of the spear
latent moon
achilles
talos and chiron are generally considered stinkers but it'll help towards min-maxing towards beo
timid hedge
so second aspect of each wpn?
tepid plover
Chiron is Great early on, easy mode
latent moon
yeah if youre min-maxing
latent moon
Chiron is Great early on, easy mode
if you have enough blood to get it to a good level lmao
timid hedge
I just want the fastest route to beo
latent moon
then yeah 2nd aspect of each weapon
tepid plover
Even at level 1 it still carries zero to low heat
timid hedge
I dont have enough titans blood
tepid plover
Play the video game
latent moon
Even at level 1 it still carries zero to low heat
doesnt that thing get like 4 arrows
tepid plover
Yes?
latent moon
idk about carrying at that point
tepid plover
Is it ideal for 32 heat? Absolutely not, but 4 arrows guaranteed to heat shreds early
latent moon
i feel like it falls more into the "anything will work at low heat" category and less of carrying
tepid plover
Unless youre shotgunning you're never landing 4 arrows with any bow
latent moon
"aspect that can carry low heat" would be like eris nemesis or achilles
bc the boost they give is just so big
or even hera
tepid plover
Ok yeah I guess
latent moon
like it works but idk about carrying
latent moon
do runs and hope you get the right dialogue from the person
stone rune
is this about level 1 chiron
latent moon
not anymore
stone rune
this guy has the most insane takes
tepid plover
Do note we are talking about 0-2 heat
timid hedge
so I just talk to the green guy after each run until he mentions the ascension or awakening type thingy?
stone rune
how does that affect anything
latent moon
basically
tepid plover
You should talk to anyone that has an exclamation mark
stone rune
im pretty sure level 1 chiron is a net negative
tepid plover
this guy has the most insane takes
I'm well aware
stone rune
in case you ever want to do that new player thing where you use the special to clear projectiles or whatever
timid hedge
You should talk to anyone that has an exclamation mark
I do but to get the guan yu
stone rune
even that useless action is more useful than lvl 1 chiron
timid hedge
i just talk to achilles right?
latent moon
yes
tepid plover
Chiron carried me till like heat 5, absolutely zero effort needed, free wins. Then I started using ap2. That's my hades journey
stone rune
literally anything can carry you
tepid plover
I know
stone rune
but chiron is like the worst option
tepid plover
That's what I said earlier
Well it required zero effort, no aiming or anything
Did the job for me
stone rune
im pretty sure you have to aim
latent moon
it's a lot less aiming than any of the other bows
tepid plover
Missing an attack with bow takes skill
latent moon
bro has not seen my bow gameplay
tepid plover
Then the special was automatic
stone rune
Missing an attack with bow takes skill
then why not use a bow that doesnt suck complete ass
tepid plover
Because I need to attack more, and dash strike, why do that, when I cna just spam special
timid hedge
so i can speedrun it
latent moon
then why not use a bow that doesnt suck complete ass
maybe bc they dont care about the meta and wants to have fun their own way in the game?
timid hedge
i just farm titans and then die rn
tepid plover
Die to the mob in the first chamber
latent moon
not everyone plays the game the same way you do jazz
latent moon
is there any fast way to die
reset your mirror to turn off thick skin and death defiances
and also that
stone rune
u dont need to do all that just use sd
latent moon
or that
stone rune
and hs
latent moon
good chance they didnt upgrade sd actually lmao
stone rune
also are you sure its possible to have fun in this game
timid hedge
wth is sd and hs
latent moon
also are you sure its possible to have fun in this game
why are you so negative all the time lmao
stone rune
idk i hate this game now
latent moon
well dont make it other people's problem to deal with
stone rune
i played it too much
latent moon
unironically whenever i see jazz here it's always just to talk bad on various aspects lmao
tepid plover
dont die in first chamber
Dies dying in first chamber not count?
latent moon
it's not as fast
stone rune
no its slower
stone rune
death usually takes about 20 seconds
if u get trolled and get a no trap c2 it takes longer
tepid plover
I never died on purpose so I'll take your word for it
lavish sorrel
Unm HS SD is so based
tepid plover
I see why you hate the game now
timid hedge
hey i just got the dialogue
i think
from achilles
eternal spear smh
seek varatha
is that it?
mint coral
Yeah
timid hedge
do I have to unlock the guan yu
latent moon
no
latent moon
yeah
mint coral
Just have it available to buy yeah
latent moon
basically
mint coral
Yeah
You'll first get a dialogue mentioning that you are using the shield
After that you can get the actual phrase flr beo
mint coral
Pray or burn rerolls on charon wells for light of ixion
And remember you only get one "dialogue" with a character per run
timid hedge
i dont have rerolls lol
latent moon
then pray
mint coral
So chaos won't say the important convos past the first time you talk to them
tepid plover
Irl lmao
tepid plover
đ
mint coral
đ
tepid light
well dont make it other people's problem to deal with
tfw you can tell exactly what's being discussed even without seeing one person's messages
latent moon
i saw jazz typing and knew what was coming lmao
tepid light
blocking made it so that i don't make an ass out of myself yelling at jazz, but i see things have not changed either way
tepid plover
Mirror
tepid plover
Mirror has 2 sides
tepid light
how do I unlock rerolls
click the button next to the bonuses on the mirror
tepid light
there's an entire other selection of bonuses
spiral axle
game just refused to give me merciful end so i just go the flash build with zeus dash and splitting bolt
tepid light
yep haha
latent moon
lmfao
tepid plover
Welcome to hades
mint coral
Classic
latent moon
could've been worse
timid hedge
what are the best stats?
latent moon
lemme get a screenshot rq
timid hedge
4.5k darkness budget
timid hedge
can u send the mirror
latent moon
the mirror is there
timid hedge
its kinda hard to see from this
latent moon
could zoom in lmao
tepid light
yeah i think having the actual mirror might be clearer
latent moon
yeah i think having the actual mirror might be clearer
i'm too lazy to actually get it myself lmao
mint coral
There's also the text guide in #h1-for-new-players pins
timid hedge
bruh
latent moon
too much effort to do something like that without it bc styx rng is a pain in the ass
was on track to clear 50 heat before and got 4 sacked in styx and after that i never tried again bc that just sucked
tepid plover
too much effort to do something like that without it bc styx rng is a pain in th...
Why is styx rng a pain, like Bananas would say, just get the good roll
latent moon
speedrun modpack just removes a lot of the rng pain and i find it more fun
that's true
unfortunately i did not
tepid plover
Skill issue
tepid plover
mint coral
can u send the mirror
From top to bottom (which side to take)
1-green
2-purple
3/4/5/6/7/8 all purple
9/10 green
11 purple
12 green
latent moon
doing the lords work
bc god knows i wont
i should probably get a screenshot handy for these reasons
timid hedge
I have to go for 10 mins could some1 pls write what should I invest in if I have 6.5k darkness
tysm
tepid plover
Death defiances
mint coral
If you can't max everything focus on revives/10th skill green side (dark foresight)/2nd dash first
timid hedge
why cant I send pics
tepid plover
Not worthy
rough glade
why cant I send pics
Some servers don't allow it in specific channels, others require a certain amount of time, others require a role or something similar
tepid plover
In here is just weird 
sudden pollen
omg i got hades to the lowest hp point but i still died đ
timid hedge
rip
sudden pollen
all i needed was 1 more death defiance đ
tepid plover
Chat does he know
tepid plover
timid hedge
xd
rough glade
all i needed was 1 more death defiance đ
Honestly every time I get to Hades with 4 DD I usually only use 0-2. But if I have 3 I tend to use all three and sit at 1 health if I even beat him at all
rough glade
Use accorn
How is acorn better? I mean 5 hits isn't that hard to burn through. At least with an extra death defiance you can just greed if you're close
timid hedge
i use cerberus thing
rough glade
i use cerberus thing
I mean if you think about it that's also worse as you get, in theory with tooth, +100 health plus you can soak overflow damage
timid hedge
If you have 3 defiances u gain 50hp*4 so 200hp but tooth is 100hp
rough glade
I'll agree that's a good train of thought. Still wonder how acorn is better
tepid plover
You don't get the full hp from collar lol so not 200
tepid plover
What
tepid plover
I forgorz how much dmg does the spin attack (which is the most common one)
timid hedge
50+75 125
tepid plover
Well but collar is only giving you 75 in this case lol
tepid plover
Tooth is giving 100
tepid plover
The 50 isn't from collar
tepid plover
Accorn is better
tepid plover
I don't understand your math
rough glade
why do u think it only gives 75 hp?
Yeah but your adding 50 that isn't part of the collar. You only get 75 from using all the death defiances from the collar. 25* 3=75
tepid plover
^
timid hedge
it is
tepid plover
The 50 is yours, not from collar, so you can't add it to the value
timid hedge
u get 50
50 base
50 collar
50 mirro
r
150 base hp
and 75 from defiances as you said
timid hedge
Ok, we are just talking about the collar value
okay, fair but it still gives 125 hp in total (75 if ur dumb and only count defiances or how do u spell it lmao)
talk to her
tepid plover
I'll agree that's a good train of thought. Still wonder how acorn is better
I forgot the base value, later one, the spin attack does 40 dmg with pact, so 5 spin attacks blocked is 200 dmg, 200>100
timid hedge
okay, fair but it still gives 125 hp in total (75 if ur dumb and only count defi...
@tepid plover
tepid plover
okay, fair but it still gives 125 hp in total (75 if ur dumb and only count defi...
Ok but that the total was never the topic, we were talking exclusively about keepsake value
tepid plover
Yes, by 75
timid hedge
nope
tepid plover
On god bruh, you win
timid hedge
so there are 4 lives right?
jagged hamlet
Hooray. Hooray for Jeb the victor
timid hedge
Hooray. Hooray for Jeb the victor
đż
rough glade
Honestly I don't care anymore it's not like I'm going to stop running the extra DD regardless of whose right
tepid plover
I already said you win
timid hedge
?
tepid plover
I forgot the base value, later one, the spin attack does 40 dmg with pact, so 5 ...
@rough glade does this make sense
Just making sure it was clear
timid hedge
u can ignore me but if you wanted to educate yourself Imma just explain it
rough glade
<@656359722626318356> does this make sense
Yes I get that but quite honestly the things that tend to hit me to most are me mistiming the Dodge for the green circles or being dumb and triggering a vase. So 40-60 damage
You've already explained it I get your math. It's right in a way that I understand
timid hedge
So you have 4 lives (3 defiances and 1 base life)
the old spiked collar gives 50 extra hp
4*50 = 200
but the 3 lives only have half hp so 50 + 25 + 25 + 25 = 125
the tooth gives 1 extra life of 100 hp so total 100 extra effective hp
there
timid hedge
real
I just want to see big number
đż
Im bored so Im gonna do the math if the accorn is actually worth it lol (for Hades fight)
rough glade
Honestly what I need to figure out is what I run during the mid game I have the gods I want and I don't need a DD for snek or for BS and the bull. But nothing really fits in my opinion
tepid plover
I tool a 40 dmg as an example idk how it much it does at base
jagged hamlet
I wonder how various HP values affect the average number of hits per defiance Hades takes to kill Zag
tepid plover
Honestly what I need to figure out is what I run during the mid game I have the ...
Can't go wrong with purse
rough glade
True
Money is never a bad thing
But still doesn't solve what to bring during Elysium
timid hedge
tepid plover
Accorn
jagged hamlet
An extra 50 HP might equal an extra hit before burning a defiance, but does 25 do much for you given how hard Hades hits?
rough glade
Accorn <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I guess I could. However BS and the bull mostly deal chip damage
timid hedge
but tooth vs collar , collar wins but If u plan to take 40 dmg from Hades spin accorn is better
and elysium I dont think it hits that hard
they do like 10 to 15
minos
but definitely less than 25
also depends on preference coz more hp can give a morale boost
rough glade
They don't really have chip, their dmg are chunks.
Well they do like 6-18 damage unless you get directly smacked (which you shouldn't) so id argue chip
tepid plover
Weird, i remember getting smacked hard, unless getting trolled by the mini guns
Who also hurts
rough glade
Ah I know the solution, turn on godhood, die 40 times and win
tepid plover
Lol
tepid plover
Doesn't it begun at 20%
tepid plover
So die 30 times
timid hedge
jk
tepid plover
My phone is dumb, it autocorrects to the wrong thing
rough glade
Weird, i remember getting smacked hard, unless getting trolled by the mini guns
I haven't fought them with extreme measures I already hate them don't need more of a reason
rough glade
So die 30 times
Oh even easier
tepid plover
This is just my personal opinion, but em3 makes the fight easier
rough glade
Really? In what way I haven't seen it yet tbh so I don't know
tepid plover
Both em2 and em3 are easier
latent moon
em2 makes the arena smaller so you can kill more heads at the same time and faster
em3 theseus is less annoying and more predictable
tepid plover
Em3 just turns theseus from an actual threat to you, into an arena trap that can be ignored for the most part
So is a modified 1v1
rough glade
Does he still have his shield? if so still a threat (to my sanity)
rough glade
Oh for real?
latent moon
yeah
tepid plover
Yeha he instead rides a chariot on the edge of the arena launching bombs
timid hedge
bananas back
tepid plover
Not directly at you either
latent moon
the first 75% he's hard to kill bc he's running around lmao
tepid plover
Yeah hard in the sense that he runs away
rough glade
Well dang I've been avoiding it, guess I know what's getting added next time I'm on
latent moon
since there's that prophecy for getting all duos
but generally speaking, pride is better than legacy
latent moon
Well dang I've been avoiding it, guess I know what's getting added next time I'm...
tbf em2 and em3 are generally considered harder, carrotguy just finds them easier for some reason lmao
i will say em2 isn't that bad
em3 is pretty annoying to take in casual runs in my experience tho
rough glade
The shield is what makes me dislike the fight if that's gone for most of it it's easier
latent moon
tbf em3 isn't hard bc of theseus
tepid plover
I explained why I find it easier. Is it annoying? Yes but the fight is generally easier
latent moon
em3 has way more area denial that makes the bull harder to deal with
so like theseus isn't directly shafting you
tepid light
i will say em2 isn't that bad
opposite for me, 'lernie tax' and all
it's so easy to lose a dd in em2 with the limited safe room to maneuver and all the aoe
tepid plover
Do you ever have trouble dealing with bull due to area denial?
latent moon
yes
tepid plover
How
rough glade
opposite for me, 'lernie tax' and all
it's so easy to lose a dd in em2 with the...
Just get Athenas sure foot and don't take damage lol
latent moon
getting run over by a chariot, acorn shredded by bullets, random bombs in places i need to dodge to
tepid light
^
tepid plover
The only thing I consider a problem is the miniguns, I mentioned them already, and yeha I don't use accorn so I don't mind it
latent moon
like objectively speaking, em3 theseus provides way more area denial
it's just not like a random snipe in normal heroes, which is still also annoying but for different reasons
tepid light
Just get Athenas sure foot and don't take damage lol
i do actually go for sure footing because i play with heightened security, but even then standing in lava isn't fun and there's so much stuff flying around in that fight
latent moon
opposite for me, 'lernie tax' and all
it's so easy to lose a dd in em2 with the...
true but more often than not it's fine i think since i dont think you lose DDs to it consistently
it just happens every once in a while
tepid plover
The chariot running you over is so telegraphed, I find it so hard hard to get hit by that
latent moon
happens lmao
tepid plover
Like he will just stop and turn to the middle
latent moon
busy trying to dodge a flying bull man
tepid plover
Idk, I find it the fight significantly easier
tepid light
The chariot running you over is so telegraphed, I find it so hard hard to get hi...
i often get hit while chasing after the chariot with dashes to hit it with melee attacks
jagged hamlet
Sometimes Theseus charges from one side of the arena to the other, no?
tepid plover
i often get hit while chasing after the chariot with dashes to hit it with melee...
Well well well
tepid light
because even getting brushed by the chariot counts as getting hit
tepid plover
Sometimes Theseus charges from one side of the arena to the other, no?
Yeah, just keep track of him
latent moon
i often get hit while chasing after the chariot with dashes to hit it with melee...
ngl that's less of an em3 issue and more of a player issue, which i also have lmao i always get clipped by it too
tepid plover
^
latent moon
chasing the chariot sucks
tepid plover
That's why the well well well
latent moon
but like while fighting the bull theseus just comes in flying every now and then which is inconvenient
tepid plover
Idk, I don't find it a problem, I prefer the bombs that take 4 business days to lands than a constant barrage of spears
latent moon
normal em3, his spear throws are much more telegraphed bc the symbol is right over your head so you know when it's coming lmao
tepid light
ngl that's less of an em3 issue and more of a player issue, which i also have lm...
i feel like it's a distinction without a difference here
it's a common way to get hit that is directly related to the way that chariot works
rough glade
So clearly the solution is zag fist, heroic greater evasion and greatest reflexes, divine dash and the greatest A button mash you've ever seen
latent moon
yeah i guess
tepid plover
I don't have double dash so Is way harder for me to dash in front of him
twin thistle
i often get hit while chasing after the chariot with dashes to hit it with melee...
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rustic vale
rea
tepid plover
Holy crap, good morning shackle
rustic vale
lreal
I've been awake but discord hasn't been my priority
nor will it be in about 5 minutes
tepid plover
Fake fan
tepid plover
I heard bow dash strike sucks, significantly less fmg
latent moon
true
tepid plover
Just what I heard tho
rustic vale
kinda crazy of them
tepid plover
Especially against the furies
rustic vale
kinda psychotic of them
tepid plover
I wonder if anyone has been able to put dash strike to good use against the furies (I'm a visual learner btw)
rustic vale
y'know
tepid light
person below me has to play max heat gilgamesh on their next run
rough glade
Well do I go for shield sword or gun? For my next run
rustic vale
Now you have to record it
eh odds the run is short enough to fit in one video on discord are high
tepid plover
How about a gif
tepid plover
2 rooms
latent moon
no hammer resets!
rustic vale
I was of half a mind to send the gif if that one name I didn't recognise made any comments about the bow
sudden pollen
alright i got to hades again and have only 1 death defiance like last time, would i lose ?
timid hedge
bro talked abt demeter
latent moon
alright i got to hades again and have only 1 death defiance like last time, woul...
i mean you technically dont need death defiances to win
rustic vale
alright i got to hades again and have only 1 death defiance like last time, woul...
only if your hp hits 0 before his does
rustic vale
just kill him
latent moon
Ouch, wrong answer but ok, what aspect I have none and exactly 2 blood
eris is good at low level
free damage boost
global
tepid plover
If you don't get hit, defiances are useless
rustic vale
I can't tell you if you're going to win because death defiance # alone ain't a good indicator
tepid plover
Ouch, wrong answer but ok, what aspect I have none and exactly 2 blood
Yeah ima say eris
latent moon
i've lost a run with 2 chaos defiances so def not a good indicator
tepid plover
Skill issue really
latent moon
true
timid hedge
bro
rough glade
So what rock a cast build or try to get an insane special run
tepid plover
Zeus
tepid plover
latent moon
So what rock a cast build or try to get an insane special run
for eris?
rustic vale
I literally cannot have my next run be 64 heat
rustic vale
cuz I'd either do this run or I start a new hellmode save
and that can't be 64 heat either
tepid plover
We got baited
rustic vale
I'm just gonna settle on 63 heat y'all can weep about me not having Personal Liability
tepid plover
Shackle certified master baiter
rough glade
I heard global damage so I assume cast or have fun with the special
tepid plover
Zeus strike
latent moon
nah you'd build it the same way you would normal rail
you just get way more free damage
rustic vale
flat damage soup it
latent moon
and tidal dash becomes more important
rustic vale
the more flat damage you have the more value you get from global
rough glade
I dont really run rail so...
rustic vale
that means zeus strike baby
latent moon
this should be your build
for hammers, you'd want rocket bomb into cluster bomb for clockets
delta is a fine hammer
free iframes on dash strikes bc it's bugged
hermes is gonna be your classic +dashes or hyper sprint -> rd
timid hedge
what is objectivly the best weapon and aspect
latent moon
zeus strike -> static discharge is your priority for zeus
and pom jolted as much as possible
latent moon
what is objectivly the best weapon and aspect
beowulf
rustic vale
wait I don't have SD
latent moon
fastest speedrun time and best aspect for heat until like 50/55
after that heat point, zeus becomes the best/easiest
tepid plover
what is objectivly the best weapon and aspect
Didn't you ask thus already bruv
rough glade
for hammers, you'd want rocket bomb into cluster bomb for clockets
Hammers kinda screw me 90% of the time so I'll trust what you say and hope to rngesus
tepid plover
timid hedge
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latent moon
Hammers kinda screw me 90% of the time so I'll trust what you say and hope to rn...
tbf all the special hammers are fine except for hazard
so you wanna prioritize the special hammers over attack generally
unless it's like delta chamber
tepid plover
Hazard eris 
latent moon
delta chamber is good
timid hedge
chaos isnt cooperating
bro talking about random shi
tepid plover
Ez
latent moon
delta chamber it for easy iframes
ngl even if you could do that consistently
it would still suck bc the drop time takes forever lmao
latent moon
sounds about right
rustic vale
I'll cap the screen recording of the last 20s of the run
tepid plover
Make it a gif
latent moon
Hammers kinda screw me 90% of the time so I'll trust what you say and hope to rn...
also side note, even if you get bad hammers you'll still be fine
it's a good aspect
rustic vale
beyond beowulf just play whatever you want dude
everything is viable and
you'll have a heck of a time with a weapon you find fun
timid hedge
im too lazy to farm bneo
latent moon
for low heat
literally whatever you like playing lmao
timid hedge
beo
rustic vale
experiment
timid hedge
what do u play?
tepid plover
Be me, run ap2
rustic vale
I play zag bow because I find it fun
latent moon
you can focus more on the meta once you put in more hours into the game and want to do higher level stuff
latent moon
what do u play?
atm zeus bc im focusing on high heat and zeus is good for high heat
timid hedge
what did u play for low heat?
rough glade
I mean I'm just cycling through the weapon per clear
timid hedge
w
latent moon
yeah you've got bounties to clear lmao
just play whatever
you just unlocked like 4 new aspects lmfao
use those
and like half of them are actually good
latent moon
like literally use a random number generator if you dont know what to play
timid hedge
lol
latent moon
this early into the game you shouldn't be worried about what's meta or not
tepid plover
Do like me, play the grave thirst weapon, then cycle aspects
latent moon
unless you're like struggling to clear then we can help a bit with that but you should just experiment
timid hedge
When does meg start to fight with her sisters?
tepid plover
Em1
timid hedge
coz I just got the dialogue
tepid plover
Now they just alternate
timid hedge
WHAT DO THE LETTERS MEAN
tepid plover
You need extreme measures one for them to fight togetehe
rustic vale
no why wth do I have dd's on
timid hedge
alr
rustic vale
what was I doing that I would have dd's on
tepid plover
Play the video game
rustic vale
@latent moon the first shackle 32 heat run is going down cuz I have dd's on
I'm gonna go all the way for sure trust
timid hedge
whats the best aspect for rail?
twin thistle
You have a ton of extra gold so you can usually just buy replenishes
rustic vale
well
tepid plover
I didn't list 2 of them
rustic vale
your problem for picking a weapon where all 4 aspects are at least decent, it's just 2 are solidly ahead of the currve
timid hedge
u said eris and hestia
timid hedge
meh
rustic vale
u said eris and hestia
yeah, womp womp rail has 2 really good aspects
it's the end of the world
timid hedge
whats the BEST one
tepid plover
Bro forgot he's playing a roguelike
rustic vale
they're both pretty fricking close
eris ekes out a bit for speed and hestia a little bit for high heat
but unless you're extreme
timid hedge
Can I do eris?
timid hedge
coz its cheaper
twin thistle
Do whichever
rustic vale
stop acting like this choice is the end of the worl
twin thistle
Hestia needs to be maxed or close to get value
tepid plover
Bro completely ignore the part where we said both are good
tepid plover
Also speaking like once he picks one the other is locked forever
tepid plover
I can tell
tepid plover
I never thanked sgg, but thanks for ||keeping bouldy alive||
rustic vale
first time playing a rogue like lo
it's like choosing between cooking yourself a meal and taking a shower when you have time for both
timid hedge
STUPID PIECE OF BRICK
rough glade
Ok I'm currently rocking this build epic Zeus strike and rare Demeter special
tepid plover
I GET A CHAOS GATE AFTER I SWITCH WEAPONS
Broski you get chaos gates like every run
tepid plover
Ok, nope
timid hedge
gg
rustic vale
you get like 2 in the average full clear
tepid plover
I can't remember a single time I didn't get a chaos gate, aside from the scripted runs early on when they aren't even allowed to spawn
tepid plover
I can't, bad memory
Shackle how much dmg does dad spin do at base. Without increased dmg
tepid plover
Isn't 40 with the increased dmg from pact?
tepid plover
đ
rough glade
Let's go I did that in 21 minutes. Zero dds used and nary a problem on my hand
Whoever said run eris, Zeus, and cluster bomb (+ whatever) thank you that was an incredibly fun run
tepid plover
Eris zeus is really damn strong
rough glade
Eris zeus is really damn strong
Honestly I also have to give a fair amount of credit to Demeter and Poseidon on the special and dash respectively
rustic vale
this early into the game you shouldn't be worried about what's meta or not
walking into furies with shackle and perfect ME cores
dead, worse than tdash
slender spruce
Good build for rail gun?
timid hedge
do I have to talk to him again?
slender spruce
Normal aspect
timid hedge
no good build for normal aspect
slender spruce
Good build for rail gun?
boons
slender spruce
What's the good rail gun aspect?
tepid light
And the boons?
flat damage bonuses (zeus, dionysus, etc.) for the attack, % damage bonuses (aphrodite, artemis, etc.) for the special
though if you're running hestia, you want a % damage bonus on the attack as well
spiral axle
if i have a god keepsake but opt for going to see an npc instead of going for the god. does that waste my keepsake?
slender spruce
Like you have to choose between two?
spiral axle
Like you have to choose between two?
yeah
tepid light
if i have a god keepsake but opt for going to see an npc instead of going for th...
No, the bonus will remain until you get a boon from that god
slender spruce
I think the chosen boon keepsake will appear again
tepid light
You don't need to get the god ASAP
spiral axle
ah okay thanks
rustic vale
What's the good rail gun aspect?
all of them, but hestia and eris will be the strongest available to you
tepid light
very much not the same thing
they said they don't play rail so i'm not surprised they said that
rustic vale
they did literally get told within the last hour that Hestia and Eris were both the best rail aspects so
I'm not surprised
slender spruce
Rail reload mechanics just seems like a hassle lmao
tepid light
It takes some getting used to
rustic vale
it's not really something you notice after you use it for a bit
tepid light
But you learn to just automatically press reload after a while
slender spruce
It's good that I can cancel it with special and dash
rustic vale
it's like saying bow strike feels like a hastle cuz it's not just a press and done, you use it for a bit, it just feels natural
tepid light
it's like saying bow strike feels like a hastle cuz it's not just a press and do...
There is a point to be made for completely new Hades players who might find bow and rail a bit weird to use (as I did), but yeah it stops becoming difficult after any amount of experience
tepid light
Different strokes, right?
slender spruce
yeah
rustic vale
There *is* a point to be made for completely new Hades players who might find bo...
I mean yeah but you're still picking up the game when you're getting the weapon
you just learned how to use strike with sword, spin and throw your special, block with your shield
it's another thing in the tank
tepid light
Yeah
tepid plover
Beo gaming
tepid plover
But I wish it auto-reloads once you're out
There's a mod for this!
slender spruce
There's a mod for this!
Achievements enabled?
tepid plover
I'm not sure hiw they interact with achievements sorry
grand mirage
how often do you guys get a chaos gate in a run? at least what's the avg
idk what's the chance of it appearing in a chamber
tepid plover
Average for me seem to be around 2 per run
grand mirage
i guess one of my runs was the run then
my avg also is 1 to 2
my highest is 4 in a single run
slender spruce
how often do you guys get a chaos gate in a run? at least what's the avg
Without buying the thing from Charon, it's 0-2
which boon gives the highest %damage for attack/special?
grand mirage
aphrodite
tepid plover
: UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNGD (we're not getting any younger mate)
stoic summit
why is there this offer in the wretched broker of 20 gemstones for 2 keys? goofy offer
tepid plover
perhaps
tepid plover
ish
reef zodiac
It also isnât finished yet so keep that in mind
tepid plover
game is good, however is not hades 1, it plays differently, despite keeping the same core aspect
also keep that in mind
i do recommend it yes
subtle needle
it's not more of the same game obviously, but it's more of what undeniably feels like hades
tepid plover
its a bit slower paced, not as spammy as this one for example
timid hedge
Idk If I should buy it now or later (im def gonna buy coz Hades 1 rocks) but I still didnt finish Hades 1 so if I would buy Hades II I wouldnt finish the previous Hades lmao
subtle needle
i'd personally finish 1, 2 is in a pretty good state but it'd probably be more satisfying to tick everything off before moving on right
timid hedge
I have to do 6 more runs to finish the story
well technically 5
Its rly ez to do it
subtle needle
and then theres the epilogue and all of the other relationships/unlockables
timid hedge
now with beo aspect
yep
I also have the steam deck so It's awesome to play Hades from bed lol
Imma rock Hades in school tmrw
If my mom lets me take it to school
obsidian drum
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1249397075771133992/2-8.jpg Hades except Zagreus has the deadliest weapon: The chancla
hoary pivot
i've encountered what i believe is a bug in the game for the switch. during the final fight (no extreme measures), hades seems to try to do the 3 beam attack, but there are no beams, and his orientation is locked to face the player.
i've got video of it happening.
where is the best place to upload the video and report the issue?
rustic vale
i've encountered what i believe is a bug in the game for the switch. during the ...
I mean Hades hasnât exactly been getting bug patches any time recently unless theyâre consistent game breakers
afaik it hasnât been updated in at least 2 years
#h1-tech-support might be your best bet but if itâs not a recurring bug I wouldnât worry about it too much
keen mortar
i've encountered what i believe is a bug in the game for the switch. during the ...
might be because u triggered a phase change, i think i had that happen before
timid hedge
Just got Hades II