h1-discussion

[fervent radish]

They released a game that is just as captivating when I’m a couple hundred hours in, which is enough

[rustic vale]

Real

No shade to Hades music dev, Darren Korb. It’s just like how f you keep listening to a good song on repeat for ages it loses it’s effect

Hades music slaps. Good job.

[fervent radish]

Yeah i want to clarify i only muted music and voice at like 300 hours

[brisk trail]

I hope there’s a hades mod that makes all the music metal

And Orpheus shreds!

And Eurydice growls

[rustic vale]

Guys there better be a mod that makes all music Orpheus singing “Never Gonna Give You Up”

Or radioactive

[brisk trail]

Now I am imagining a shred force version of Hades

Everyone is rockified

[magic pike]

i'd kill for that

[brisk trail]

Hades shreds and skeletons doing this 🤘come out of the ground

[split sand]

me before I accidentally watched quinton reviews entire discography

[rustic vale]

Zag dash
YOU’RE NOW LISTENING TO
Styx Axe falling
74.8
Bow powershot
UNDEAD UNDERWORLD FM
TD 30 left timer chimes
WHERE WE PLAY NOTHING BUT ORPHEUS, EURYDICE, AND MORE ORPHEUS
Hades pot breaking
Hades dying
THIS AIN’T YOUR FATHER’S COURT MUSICIAN
radioactive by imagine dragons starts playing

[magic pike]

yeah but consider

welcome to the black parade

[rustic vale]

Why do I recognise that

Ah

[magic pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLcjV6vwnVk

[brisk trail]

Farewell to all the plans that we made

Atlus can rest his weary bones

The weight of the world

blast beat plays

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

Me with keys after unlocking the mirror and all base weapons

[faint ruin]

finally got rip tide! next run work on aphrodites skill i havent gotten yet

[faint ruin]

valid choice, but if you care about lore/relationships in the game they are good for farming nectars. Im right where you are but with diamonds. Only missing erebus in the work order area, but I cant bring myself to care about it

[rich fjord]

hunting blades achiles is so gross

[molten depot]

Hey guys

why does even with stubborn devience i never see Kiss of styx in the well / shop?

[twin thistle]

Stubborn defiance is what prevents you from seeing kiss of styx

[molten depot]

Whaaat?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348151957111701517/1248922483537743964/image.png?ex=66656d33&is=66641bb3&hm=fea577c460864f8bbc2a500ac9c3300185d8873b742fa110f087c93aa24e9dba&

but wiki says you need it for this

[twin thistle]

"Touch of styx"

[molten depot]

yes that one I need

[twin thistle]

You said kiss

[molten depot]

but even having stubborn defiance, i still have it never in the well

[twin thistle]

Bad luck then are you bringing fated persuasion rerolls

[molten depot]

alright trying one more time

[tepid plover]

Kiss of styx is for death defiance, and you need to be missing one when you check the well

As for touch of styx, yeah good old rng

Eventually it will show up

[analog thistle]

how do i get the other "good" aspects?

i already have guan yu

[tepid plover]

you mean the hidden ones?

if so #h1-story-discussion message

[cunning kestrel]

Hey guys. I hope this message finds you well. I'm a blind player playing h1 with accessibility mods and I was wondering if someone would please help. I'd like to turn on the aim assist but the menus don't speak. How many presses of the dpad down button will get me there from the options menu? Thanks in advance.

[tepid plover]

so one press of down should get you to controls, then aim assist should be the very first

[gusty cave]

is upgrading hestia worth it?

i have dark thrist on it atm

@rustic vale sorry for ping but you're like my go to guy lol

[mint coral]

Max lvl hestia pretty good yeah

Safe/good dmg

[gusty cave]

how much does it cost?

i have 7 titan blood

is that enough?

and what build?

[rough glade]

Isn't hestia 2 2 3 4 5 (16)

[gusty cave]

lmao i'm new loll

[rough glade]

Oh same

[gusty cave]

so far is it good?

just asking

and what build?

[rough glade]

Oh yeah I've really enjoyed the game. Currently the only runs I've won are chyron and zag fist

[gusty cave]

ahh good!

[rough glade]

Trying to pull of nemesis I was so close but I just couldn't get an attack boon so ended at the bull

[gusty cave]

damn sadge

his patterns are easy once you fight him enough

[rough glade]

Honestly it's less the bull I have trouble with and more the spear dude (spacing on the name)

[gusty cave]

yea he only take backshots

[rough glade]

I get that it's as simple as slowing down and reading his attacks but at that stage I just feel frantic you know

[gusty cave]

I ACCDIENTLYT WENT INTO A RUN FORGETTING TO UPGARDE GUN

[rough glade]

Just give up you'll still have the same seed and everything

[gusty cave]

huh

wdym?

seed? minecraft?

[rough glade]

Umm so ever run has a seed. It's sorta the predetermined outcome of your choices. If you give up (in the pause menu) then you will restart that seed. It's more important for your beginning boon the rest can be changed drastically by simple choices iirc. So you can fix a mistake like wrong keepsake, weapon, aspect, or upgrades

[gusty cave]

ahh kk

[rustic vale]

Kinda? But mind you, every time you break a pot, have a cast stone hit the ground, summon a companion, or reload, you shift rng over by “1” rng value. So you can and will end up with a different experience after your first boon unless everything goes identically

[obsidian drum]

How am I supposed to gift the stuff to Demeter?

[rough glade]

By running into her boon and gifting it

[obsidian drum]

I know, but I mean the ambrosia and the 7 nectars

[rough glade]

Use her keepsake and keep gifting, I might be being dumb but I'm confused what's confusing.

[obsidian drum]

I gave her all the nectars as possible, but now I need to give her the ambrossia and the nectars and she doesn't accept them?

[rough glade]

YouTube it maybe I'm not far enough to be more help

[rustic vale]

Yeah you need to complete her favour to unlock her locked heart just like every other npc

[obsidian drum]

(I forgot her favor)

[rustic vale]

Youtube is not the place to be recommending people to go to for Hades knowledge

[rustic vale]

Idk it off the top of my head, I just remember you can’t do it until post epilogue, the wiki should have it

[rough glade]

Really? That's odd, is it full of misinformation or do people just not care enough to make videos

[obsidian drum]

yeah, I want to play this game without many spoilers.

[rustic vale]

“Demeter's favor requires completing the Epilogue, then a few instances of dialogue with her. The favor is completed when Demeter requests Zagreus to "be more candid with her" next time.”

[tall lodge]

Hey

[obsidian drum]

I complete the epilogue

[rustic vale]

then it’s a few more rng dialogues away

[obsidian drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1249007228376322152/image.png

[rustic vale]

Most people are dubious on their Hades information

[rustic vale]

Yeah. That last heart just needs ambrosia

The 6 nectars and 1 ambrosia is the total for all her hearts

[obsidian drum]

And I have the ambrosia and the six nectars

The epilogue is when Persephone goes to Hell, right=

or else I'll just save the ambrosia to someone else.

[rustic vale]

Completing the epilogue involves having 6 of the olympians favors completed (Demeter being at 6 hearts counts as a favor completed)

[obsidian drum]

Ooooooh

[mint coral]

Yeah epilogue is an extra cutscene

[obsidian drum]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[mint coral]

It starts by persephone giving you the queen's plan prophecy

[rough glade]

Wow spoilers in a 5 year old game how dare you, lol

[obsidian drum]

I have that one

[obsidian drum]

I had someone complaining me giving spoilers in a 10 years old game (Okami lol)

[rustic vale]

Haelian is typically a good source on youtube but also makes a lot of stuff based on the “fun” facotr that he pulls out, so you get people in chat saying “oh but Haelian ranked chiron an s tier aspect” after not hearing him say he was ranking both on potency and on fun, and then purely describing the fun part and not the functionality for Chiron

[mint coral]

Then you need to do this

[rustic vale]

(Chiron is the 4th best bow aspect by a mile, functionality wise)

[rough glade]

Really. What makes it so weak? I mean it was my first clear and I didn't even pop a death defiance

[rustic vale]

It’s a very newbie friendly aspect, but it fails when you try to take it anywhere far in either of games two main skill progressions

speed and heat

[rough glade]

Ah ok so it can make it through the first couple heat levels and then it falters gotcha. Also yeah I did complete that run in 50 minutes

[rustic vale]

You can easily take it up to 20 heat but tbh 20 heat is kinda not really a good place to judge anything in terms of heat

not saying you can’t have success with it at heat, but it really falls off for it

[rough glade]

So basically you have to make up for it in skill gotcha

[rustic vale]

Well

That’s like saying you have to make up for zag swords bonus by skill compared to nemesis

[old bluff]

Playing chiron at high levels is kind of like a self nerf

[rough glade]

Ok that's fair. What about hera? I liked her aspect, does that ring good

[old bluff]

Hera is best bow and second best weapon for speedrunning, but it is very hard to play at a high level

[rustic vale]

You should get some pretty good value out of it even if you don’t know what you’re doing, it’s like bow with loads lf extra damage on demand (so long as you choose some decent casts or keep base cast) at that point.

[rough glade]

Yeah my only real issue I ran into with that aspect was the bull and shield dude he kinda countered me rather hard

[rustic vale]

how’d they hard counter you

[old bluff]

Hera heroes is one reason why Hera is hard to play, the fight is wall bug city

[rustic vale]

Odd question, but on a scale from no to yes, how close does your bow gameplay look to this gif?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244826023510409298/1247332222869049425/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.gif?ex=66619e68&is=66604ce8&hm=f6ebf715b25cc64f7d6370acb130cc047c1c6c4f6c68da313d05fa00d7449520&

[rough glade]

Well I didn't quite know his whole deal of shielding and I would think I was good to attack but I would hit the shield and then get smacked by the spear

[old bluff]

God damn it

Again?

[rustic vale]

I’m not defending myself I just woke up

[rough glade]

0

[rustic vale]

Thought so

[rough glade]

Um I took hera a tad bit slower than that at half speed

[rustic vale]

In my defence it gets my point across way easier than words

[old bluff]

As the Hades doctor, I prescribe more dash striking, it should make your aspect feel better

[rustic vale]

Try to remap your cast button on hera to something super easy to hit fast while dashing and striking

[rough glade]

Oh I did that a while ago

[rustic vale]

Are you kbm or controller

[rough glade]

Controller

[rustic vale]

where’s your cast button mapped to atm

[rough glade]

Rt

[old bluff]

That's a little cursed but works ig

[rough glade]

What would you suggest?

[rustic vale]

I feel like that makes your right hand dependent on doing three things in a very short time spam

where you could put it on something on the left for some easier usage~

[rough glade]

Oh I played a lot of cod so I'm used to doing a lot with my right hand tbh

[old bluff]

No, RT is okay but it does put all the pressure on your right hand. I have my cast on LT, but a lot of people like LB

[rough glade]

I'll try it no reason not to

[tepid plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/621132903371243530/1249015244525670472/5obvza.png?ex=6665c397&is=66647217&hm=731c686c4ba2d378527889d79f733ecb24dbc7cf6a02d681cc7e8eb2697c5c6c&

[rustic vale]

thank you thank you

[fervent radish]

Chiron is atleast mid for heat

60 is the record I think?

But it’s incredibly dependent on getting specific hammers so it’s just not a great one

[rustic vale]

Yeah but I wouldn’t say it’s anything more than that

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

Anyone here ever do a Hades related cosplay?

I’m going to go to comic con as Zagreus year

[crystal island]

Finally beat Hades with no boons
Yeah Hestia Shackle is really good, and I only have shackle on the 2nd level as well as the rail

58th run too

Any recommendations on how to spear?

[rich fjord]

Arrnt there times when you are forced tk take one?

Like the only reward options being boons

[crystal island]

Yeah
That's where the purge pool comes in
And also the dice

[rich fjord]

Ohh

Sick

[rich fjord]

yoooo

hera with quick reload is so nice

[remote hornet]

hi :D

just wanted to know if there is a specific number of runs to complete the main story line

[jagged hamlet]

10 clears

[rustic vale]

10 successful escapes

although there is an epilogue which isn't tied to escapes or escape attempts

[remote hornet]

really?? omgg

[remote hornet]

ohh okk

i've started playing hades not so long before hades II was realeased

what an amazing game

[rustic vale]

yeah, and beyond the epilogue you still have the rest of the 21000 voicelines in-game

[remote hornet]

i think that i'll finish some of the stories from other characters and then i'll buy hades II instead XD

[cloud mist]

no

hell no

[remote hornet]

not good enough yet xd so no

[rustic vale]

can you either a) find a way to prevent people from asking why bow sucks because they've never thought to prioritise using the dash strike or b) tell me a better way than visual hades gameplay that gets the point across that dash striking is the answer? if the answer to either of these is yes, please do so

[cloud mist]

the bow is to me jsut a bit different

its not bad but i needs a different approach

it takes getting used to

but its not bad damage i suppose

im jsut not a fan of anything that needs to charge lmao

shield is an exception since you block anything during the charge

but nah my gameplay is nowehreer near that good

also wtf how id every shot taking sucha big chunk of health off that snuts

[jagged hamlet]

Dem Aphrodite powershots

[rustic vale]

I'm fine with people disliking the bow due to how it feels, that's just going to happen. What I can't stand is people who have only done standing striking gameplay living thinking the bow is bad due to that.

[twin thistle]

It me or does the quality keep getting worse

[rustic vale]

idk that may be a side effect of pushing it into a gif

after saving my own video

[cloud mist]

how big is that gif anyway and how did you make that gif

[rustic vale]

it's a gif of a screen recording of a video I screen recorded on my nintendo switch

the quality is garbage

[twin thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1245939919919120428/Hades_2024-05-29_23-10-08_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6665c839&is=666476b9&hm=cb3cb38a2f3fc0449fb1f9abf63b3562decc681cb88fd92f7d15a086953289c9& bow gud

[cloud mist]

i think gifs are considerably less efficient in encoding than videos

[rustic vale]

they are

the video is 8mb and the gif is 24.3mb

[cloud mist]

LMAO

thats what i expected

[rustic vale]

it's also

idk if this changes anything

[cloud mist]

what in gods name

[rustic vale]

but I put the video thru the "make a gif" shortcut on apple

so

[cloud mist]

i need to actually try a bow build like that what the actual hell

[rustic vale]

that may be a consequence of which source I went thru

[cloud mist]

thats so much health per hit!!!!

meh depends gif encoding isnt good anyway

its good for making looping imaged

[rustic vale]

I wanted to clip to be postable in #h1-for-new-players without worrying about how far they had been in the game

[twin thistle]

Double shot + explosive shot + funny bow tech https://youtu.be/vNDe40Koqjg?si=NQ16_F2_hBbUUJxe

[rustic vale]

so it's a furies fight with zag bow. I can explain away Battie and the heat skull/timer as future features without much fanfare, since you don't see any of their effects in the video

[rustic vale]

if the clip was even marginally longer it would've broken the discord 25mb limit 💀

[zinc grove]

Ooh that video is just what I needed to see to up my bow play

Is there any fancy stuff with the gun it feels underwhelming to me

[latent moon]

ngl you can do well with bow without it lmao

[latent moon]

do you have a good build

[zinc grove]

I know I can win bow without it but I like the combos. Idk the good builds for gun probably just need to play it a bunch more and get used to it

[latent moon]

there's builds for rail in #h1-builds-and-combat

pinned

[zinc grove]

Okay thanks I'll check it out!

[mental turret]

as a reddit post mentioned the twin arrow boon makes the bow a superb weapon

[fervent radish]

Twin and triple are good

[twin thistle]

And flurry and explosive

[crystal island]

Explosive is good if you can compensate for the slow charge time (Ex: dash attack, hermes, etc.)

[twin thistle]

You just min charge with explosive and do the funny tech

[primal hedge]

Hangover stacks increase damage per tick, right?

[rustic vale]

each stack of hangover deals x damage per tick. If you have 5 hangover stacks, you will be doing 5*tick damage per tick. Note that they all do tick damage = to the last hangover source applied, so you typically only want one hangover source

[primal hedge]

Ok yeah that's what I gathered from my google search lol. Just wasn't sure if it was a xDuration type stack, or an xDamage/tick one. So maintaining for instance, dio call hangover, is much higher DPS than maintaining one of the weaker ones right?

[twin thistle]

Yeah, dio call is your best source of hangover by a lot

[rustic vale]

Oh my hangover would be so much worse if it was a duration thing

[twin thistle]

Scorch

[rustic vale]

Dio call is a super good way to deal hangover damage, but using strike and special are also valid

[rustic vale]

Is this some zoomer thing-

[twin thistle]

Its a h2 thing

[rustic vale]

I understood that part

That’s the joke

[rustic vale]

You just take a different call, preferably zeus for dps, if you have his strike or special (or dash but if you have dash you’re in rough spot there)

[obsidian drum]

Zagreus: Please stop using the blade, the spear, the shield and the fist and use the rail and the bow.

Me: https://www.tiktok.com/@rapsquatch/video/6964564810444901638

[stoic summit]

how do i have so many undiscovered fish?

[tepid plover]

Cause you haven't gotten them?

[stoic summit]

but i never get any new ones

only the same ones

how am i missing like 40% of the fish?

and yet ive just bout completed the codex entries on all the other ones i have caught?

[obsidian drum]

You get them also in Greece and Chaos

[stoic summit]

yeah I only get trout in greece

or something else

[tepid plover]

Are you getting perfect catches?

Chaos also have fish

[stoic summit]

is there a difference bettween catching a fish and catching it perfectly

[tepid plover]

Perfect catch has a higher chance for the legendary

[stoic summit]

(i havent seen one in chaos yet or i havent looked)

whats a perfect catch?

[tepid plover]

There's 3 fish per zone, common, rare and legendary

Perfect is pulling it very damn fast

Like very little delay

[obsidian drum]

I always thought it was just luck

[stoic summit]

how do you know if you get perfect catch?

[obsidian drum]

or randomly

[tepid plover]

It will say perfect catch on the screen

You can only get legendaries on a perfect catch

[stoic summit]

these stupid fish aren't telling me where they are caught

wait nvm

where is scyllascion caught?

it doesnt say

[obsidian drum]

In Tartarus

[stoic summit]

what about slavug?

[obsidian drum]

Asphodel

[tepid plover]

Common in asphodel

[stoic summit]

are styx and river styx different?

[tepid plover]

Ish

[obsidian drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1249150318474821723/image.png

[tepid plover]

Both tartarus and styx run the river styx but each has different dish

[stoic summit]

bruh

i cant freaking tell which fish im missing im just gonna have to look it up

so im missing 4 legendaries and all chaos ight thanks

wait how do i have a missing perilous foes? ive killed every monster in the game

[tepid plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Clearly not

[stoic summit]

lol ill look it up

wtf is the king vermon and why have i not encountered it?

so out of the 80 some escape attempts ive just been mad unlucky

[nocturne terrace]

Its a miniboss in the temple

So if you don't go for those often ig?

[stoic summit]

i mean i usually do mini bosses is styx but not super often, ight

[tepid plover]

That's why

[stoic summit]

ight ight

[tepid plover]

I always do minibosses first, then clear them all anyway 🤣

[stoic summit]

😱

[tepid plover]

Can't stop myself, more loot

[stoic summit]

does hades kinda bug out when you guys try to quit from the starting screen too?

[tepid plover]

No?

[stoic summit]

i mean like not always but it will like take a mad long time and make me force quit it

not usually, but sometimes

[tepid plover]

Can't say it happens to me

[stoic summit]

maybe im just impatient lol

[rustic vale]

@tepid plover @obsidian drum
Perfect catch is 0ms-340ms after bobber goes down. 50% chance at rare, 50% chance at legendary
Regular catch is 340ms-670ms.
50% chance at common, 50% chance at rare

[stoic summit]

thanks

[tepid plover]

I struggled to find the common fish cause all I had was perfect catch, suffering from success

Especially greece

Thing never spawns

And when it spawns you lose

[rustic vale]

If you need more tips at getting them dead on, real bobs are always a shorter amoumt of time between bobs than a fake one

So if it’s taking a while it’s fake, if it’s a real bob it’s soon

And they can only fake you out 3 times

The 4th is always real if you get to it

I’d recommend using your ears since for your average person, those have a faster reaction time than your ears

[tepid plover]

Yep I find it much easier to close my eyes and use the sound instead

[rich fjord]

Whats thr best hera bow build?

[rustic vale]

Are you ok with a link? I'm no Hera expert and I think the Hera expert explains it a lot better than I can

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

they aren't here anymore so I can probably answer any question you have for why particular choices are made but I'm not going to be perfect about it

[obsidian drum]

Did I made a mistake in ||purchasing the Knave-King's Sentence|| before to speak with Nyx?

[rustic vale]

don't think so

if you can buy it she won't have any more dialogue about the situation until after you buy it

[obsidian drum]

gotcha

[rich fjord]

Ooo sweet

Ty

[clear rain]

in the fated list portion chthonic colleagues, where can i find the fourth one

this bot confuses me

[rustic vale]

He just exists to tell the hades 2 players to leave

[jagged hamlet]

So long as you don't have a human heart beating under your floorboards, you've nothing to fear from StickyBot!

[rustic vale]

He tries to stay at the bottom of chat so they can always see him

[clear rain]

oh

[rustic vale]

And so we Hades 1 players don’t constantly have to go “hey do you mean #h2-discussion”

[clear rain]

makes sense

[rustic vale]

Believe me it was bad bad before sticky bot

[clear rain]

once i 100% hades I like i do with games im prob gonna get h2

[rustic vale]

100% in the steam achievement sense or the in-game sense

[clear rain]

whats the diff

[rustic vale]

Note that the difference between the steam sense and the in-game sense is a couple hundred hours-

[clear rain]

ah

[rustic vale]

[clear rain]

im assuming in game sense is the longer one

[rustic vale]

Very

[clear rain]

then prob steam ach

[rustic vale]

Even if you don’t shoot for a true 100%

Which would just be

Cutting out resource director

You still miss out on a lot by only doing steam 100%

[clear rain]

yea ill still play the game

fs

achiev hunter brain is just gonna go nuts if i dont

[rustic vale]

He’s pretty much just 325000 darkness along with other resources

which

is a lot of darkness

I’m about halfway

400 hours in game

[clear rain]

my total is 1100 🤯

[rustic vale]

Most of it hasn’t been spent on darkness farming though

Because there are other goals to work towards beside 100%

Speedrunning and heat

[clear rain]

google said steam ach was like 100 hrs ish

which hella good deal already imo

[rustic vale]

~100 hrs is if you don’t get hooked by speedrunning or heat

[clear rain]

lmao

[rustic vale]

Or just the joy of it all

[clear rain]

as a speedrunner

i like free hours

[rustic vale]

So like

Hades has a sub3 hyper routed escape iirc

[clear rain]

must be an interesting god build

or just 5 thousand glitches

[rustic vale]

And regular play with the speedrun modpack to eliminate rng has sub5, I can’t remember if nonspeedrun modpack has sub5

Nonspeedrun modpack has a 5:15 iirc

[clear rain]

still wow

[rustic vale]

God build, lots of skip rooms, ~Hades isn’t a huge glitchy game

It’s got a goof number of them but

they wouldn’t apply to the eris run iirc

[clear rain]

i think misspelling that makes more sense than if not

[rustic vale]

I mean you go from “beowulf has 100% damage on mirage shot double casts” (normally has 30%) to “zeus dash bugs sword dash strikes so that your second strike keeps the same aim as the first”

[clear rain]

ah

[rustic vale]

This is what I mean

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1003950297665781830/zeus_dash_bug.png?ex=65d46a13&is=65c1f513&hm=c421e19d48b82e8f47d4b1844fe4e33a725eefc637d4efd9a0039b7a6bf30e1e&

[clear rain]

that a duo boon?

[rustic vale]

The bug doc has like 15 bugs and those are the ones the community has found to be consistent and replicable, it’s not a huge huge list

Mirage shot is a duo boon yeah

Artemis + poseidon

[clear rain]

ah

[rustic vale]

All casts has a double cast with 30% base damage

[clear rain]

so duo boons are strike and special right

[rustic vale]

Beowulf changes all it’s casts to flares so all of them bar

[rustic vale]

No

[clear rain]

oh

[rustic vale]

Merciful End was an example where

Both of them are just both syrike and special

For simplicity

[clear rain]

ohh

this game is confusing and i love it

[rustic vale]

A) you can only get doom from strike special and a vengeance boon so

You should be able to get merciful end with ares cast or dash

and merciful end was too consistent when you could just get it with dash which made it super easy and the devs balanced it by requiring strike or special instead of allowing dash and cast as well

[clear rain]

is there an artemis and zeus duo boon cuz i have both those

[rustic vale]

Every god combo has one

[clear rain]

ah

[rustic vale]

Whether or not their duo is good is a different question

Hermes and Chaos break that rule because they’re just different

Hermes is honestly closer to a hammer than an olympian and Chaos isn’t an olympian

[clear rain]

i mean any duo boon is good in my eyes

[rustic vale]

You haven’t seen them yet

[clear rain]

does the ability select ever try to prioritize duos

[clear rain]

correct

[rustic vale]

The game only ever forces cores

[clear rain]

i have deadly sdtrike and thunder flourish that right prereq for duo boon

[rustic vale]

Then it rolls to chdck if you got a legendary/duo, thenit prioritises the curse boon of a god if they have on (hunters mark, static discharge), and then it rolls them

Or the priority for status cursesvmight just be a higher weighting when it chooses options

I can’t remember

Fpr status curses

[rustic vale]

Here if you want to check

All the pre reqs

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

Pick one of the gods you want to look at on the top left, the boons in the middle which are multicoloured are the duos

one goddess may be a spoiler and her duos are lighter blue than poseidons

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1249187484802220122/IMG_8698.png?ex=66666401&is=66651281&hm=6dee43bf36ff9b2dd7fe81917aadd6910768c6ca5081982faa14dfe6baddf6ed&

[clear rain]

what is an infernal soul

[rustic vale]

A mirror upgrade

[clear rain]

oh im not there yet

i only have the 5 key o nes

[rustic vale]

That’d be why you haven’t seen it

It’s a bit odd that that’s the case tbh

I figure if you’re at the point where you can’t select infernal soul then you also can’t select stygian soul

And infernal soul is just the baked in way your casts work

[clear rain]

i have stygian soul max

[rustic vale]

oh nevermind

Flip your mirror

and you’ll be able to get it

[clear rain]

oh ok

i can only have one i assume

[rustic vale]

You can’t exactly benefit from the duo without the casts being able to stick arojnd

[rustic vale]

Yeah, I mean you would’ve noticed that you can’t have 3 recharging casts, or you can’t have 3 death defiances and a stubborn defiance

[clear rain]

als what does this meanm

[rustic vale]

swap that specific upgrade to it’s other colour

[clear rain]

stubborn defiance? also i only have 2 death def

[clear rain]

oh ok

[rustic vale]

Stubborn is the green side of death defiance

[clear rain]

what does it do

[rustic vale]

It’s a single death defiance that heals 30% and recharges each room

Instead of having 3 that you can use in any room

[clear rain]

i think id like death defiance

[rustic vale]

It’s a lot better later when you run a certain difficulty setting that brings all healing to 0%

[clear rain]

for bone hydra

[rustic vale]

Then it becomes your real only way of healing beside getting max hp boosts

[rustic vale]

Sidenote but that’s a lot more representative of what most duo boon prerequisites look like

Minus the infernal soul requirement

Than merciful end

Merciful end is particularly restrictive due to where you can even get doom (since the duo affects your current doom sources), and due to it just being wicked strong so they restricted which athena boons can open it

[clear rain]

k ive got infernal

[obsidian drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1249191824564818001/m5kbrcj3sc5d1.webp Is this Theseus?

[rustic vale]

no that's Narcissus

different greek guy

[obsidian drum]

Of course, but I meant in the game itself

[tepid plover]

Theseus is just extremely cocky, and I don't blame him, he's the champion for a reason, only zag has been able to beat him

He's not in love with his looks or anything, he's just really good and he knows it

Zag is simply better

Like shackle said, that is 100% narcissus

[tepid plover]

You're just lacking the context xD

[rustic vale]

I'm not lacking context, narcissus is 100% in the game, he's like

wait asphodel doesn't have shades in Hades

nevermind

none that I can pull a picture of anyways

no shot he got into elysium and no real reason he would be in tartarus

[tepid plover]

I meant he was lacking the context, not you

You clearly know of narcissus existence

[rustic vale]

no I wa making a joke about narcissus being one of the shades in game but

realised that there aren't shades in asphodel and Narcissus is not heading anywhere else

[tepid plover]

||there are shades in asphodel, like eurydice. And narcissus did come from asphodel before he moved to oceanus||

[rustic vale]

yeah but Eurydice is the only one we see

so I can't pull a screenshot

[slender spruce]

Is the collar trinket good?

for Guan Yu

[rustic vale]

Not really~=•

[rustic vale]

Really not really

[slender spruce]

what's a good keepsake for it

that's not a boon

[latent moon]

you'd rather have a good build (good luck getting the hammer) so

oh

well

[rustic vale]

Acorn actually has more value

[slender spruce]

I do the special build

[rustic vale]

than usual

[latent moon]

if you're not gonna use a god keepsake for whatever reason then i guess collar might be decent if you think you're gonna get shafted in regular rooms

[rustic vale]

since you have such little hp the amount of hp acorn is saving is significantly more impactful

If you aren’t concerned about regular rooms

[latent moon]

i mean sure but either way you'd still rather use a god's keepsake

spin is viable, special is viable, both need you to get the right hammers

[slender spruce]

After getting the right gods

[latent moon]

after you get your build then acorn

[rustic vale]

I mean yeah once you’re in elysium

[slender spruce]

ermm

how about mom pom

[latent moon]

tooth isn't bad either i guess

no

mom pom is one of the worst keepsakes in the game lmao

[rustic vale]

2 poms is not really worth

[slender spruce]

Distant memory?

[rustic vale]

And if you’re taking it earlier than elysium you’re sacrificing your build (all of your damage) for poms (minimal damage)

Distant memory is

Impractically far distance for pitiful damage

[slender spruce]

I am currently using the collar

[latent moon]

why do you not want to use acorn lmao

[rustic vale]

you’re only getting more value from acorn and less value from collar on guan-yu

[slender spruce]

I can just heal up again

[limber raft]

I think the pom keepsake can be really good, once it's all leveled up depending what boons you get it can be great.

[latent moon]

you could also not have to heal up with acorn

[rustic vale]

It can’t be really good because you end up getting a very small amount of poms on random boons

[limber raft]

But it's probably better if you have like, a small few boons that you want really high level.

[latent moon]

if you only have like 2 boons the whole run that are actually good then maybe lmao

[rustic vale]

And if you’re taking it before elysium to get more poms you’re sacrificing your build for it

[rustic vale]

Even then like

Just take acorn

[slender spruce]

what's the best keepsake for DPS then?

[limber raft]

Pressure Points level 10 is great lol

[latent moon]

not really

[limber raft]

The acorn is definitely the best for the end

[latent moon]

kinda none lol

acorn so you dont die

[limber raft]

I mean it just depends right

[slender spruce]

fudge it

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1036434099537199185/IMG_2451.jpg?ex=66664679&is=6664f4f9&hm=67d8364a6c0048c4e0b3b82354b4a6c6c09dd1766a4c5859ea618f69f36a9b07&

[latent moon]

earring is niche for high heat because you're using SD so it's always active

[slender spruce]

how do you send images

[limber raft]

Holy moly

[latent moon]

but you're probably not using SD or doing high heat

[rustic vale]

Imbed it with an image link

[latent moon]

so earring is pretty useless

legit none of the keepsakes give you dps

[rustic vale]

Take image link from sending it elsewhere hitting copy image link

[latent moon]

or meaningful dps

[limber raft]

How do you mean you're sacrificing your build?

[rustic vale]

The only true dps keepsake are god keepsakes and Hades

[latent moon]

you control your build with god keepsakes

[limber raft]

Ohhh okay yes I understand

[latent moon]

which you use in tartarus and asphodel

[rustic vale]

in tartarus and asphodel

Freudian slip

[latent moon]

so the only logical place to take mom pom is elysium but that's not worth taking it there really

[rustic vale]

Same reason why butterfly and plume are bad

Not a message link

[limber raft]

I have a lot of fun not knowing what gods will show up and having to kind of improvise so that's a big part of why I've liked the pom keepsake, it makes not using the olympian's keepsakes a lot more viable.
But yeah if you have a specific build in mind, it's definitely not ideal haha

[rustic vale]

You want the one that says “image link”

[slender spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230527948917047297/1249205352134869047/image.png?ex=666674a5&is=66652325&hm=86bf9d33dea86c82b511fdd510626ef5595581ad1666fb70484f4c86474aa1c1&

[rustic vale]

the thing is, when you’ve been doing speedrunning or heat for ages

it’s like

impractical for both to not run a build

[slender spruce]

my spin build kinda trash

[rustic vale]

And when we’re giving advice

We’re typically giving advice from the perspective of hey, we want to tell people what works

[limber raft]

Ah, right. I jumped into the discussion without the context 😅

[slender spruce]

btw Acorn only recharges after beating main bosses right

[rustic vale]

Acorn only works on bosses

[slender spruce]

ohh

[rustic vale]

And recharges for every boss fight

5 hits from bossfights is typically more than the pitiful hp from collar

especially since you typically can’t reasonably heal 5 hits from bosses when you look at guan-yu max hp va liferegen speed

You can maybe heal one

or two

on a special focused build

No clue about non-special builds but I can’t imagine you’re healing enough over the course of a boss fight before the boss is dead

Unless you have bad dps

[limber raft]

HP from the collar feels so good when you're early game, but yeah once you're doing higher heat it's like... fighting Hades, Nullify 5 hits versus nullify 1 to 1.5 hits :P

[rustic vale]

On guan-yu especially it’s like

5 hits vs

not even a full hit

[limber raft]

Oh yeah that's a very good point

[grand mirage]

100% hard labor copege

[rustic vale]

I like to think hl5 was as originally intended because hl0 leaves you so darn tanky

[grand mirage]

from time to time i get like a super lucky dash evade run against hades

but its not really like

planned timing

[grand mirage]

alr makes you one with like 2 boons

so hl5 is reasonable

[rustic vale]

?

[grand mirage]

one from hermes and aphro weak? im not good at names

[rustic vale]

yeah

Hyper sprint and weaken both give 70% dr

So with both

You have 0.7*0.7 damage taken

.49 damage taken -> 51% damage reduction

200% damage taken *.49 = 0.98, aka 2% less damage taken than a base hades player without those two boons

[grand mirage]

[rustic vale]

and weaken and hyper sprint happen to be attached to 2 extremely relevant god(esses)s

Ofc you’re still taking twice the damage of an hl0 player with those boons

[latent moon]

i think hl5 is fine and then i get stabbed for 20 in ely and smacked for 80 in dad fight lmao

[rustic vale]

A useless fact I just thought about was the fact that hl5 players are literally taking a full order of magnitude more damage than godmode players

[latent moon]

sounds about right

taking like 10 times more damage in dad fight lmfao

[rustic vale]

More like imagine taking 10* less damage in a dad fight

Does Hades 2 have a godmode for the same reason? I’d assume so but I’ven’t got it

[latent moon]

i believe it does have a god mode

i didn't look too closely into that but i'd imagine it's still there

and prob the same mechanic

[limber raft]

Something great about Hades is that I've seen veteran gamers and brand new gamers play it and enjoy it and find it challenging-but-not-impossible-seeming

Tbh the design of the game overall is very brilliant

[latent moon]

except ap2

[rustic vale]

I think that’s kinda just roguelites

but Godmode just adds that extra little touch

for more users

[grand mirage]

yeah, roguelite/roguelikes are always fun to play

but i stay because of story

[limber raft]

It is, but Hades is the only roguelite I've played that feels like I'm making progress even after I die, even if other ones that's still true

[rustic vale]

ig

[limber raft]

I guess it's largely the story and character element

[rustic vale]

Like risk of rain 2? I feel like next to no sense of progression

[fervent radish]

AP2 is funny because you can just not have a build which is fun

[latent moon]

so true bestie

[grand mirage]

real

[limber raft]

Dying feels like part of the story rather than like "oh, my progress through the game got reset"

[rustic vale]

Tell that to carrot guy

[fervent radish]

tbf if AP2 didn't exist, we'd all be playing ME at high heat

[rustic vale]

Dying is part of the story it doesn’t just feel like it

[fervent radish]

nah i still like AP2

[rustic vale]

If ap2 existed then there would be a world where chiron 64 existed

Due to smair

[fervent radish]

something therapeutic about just playing with random bs

[latent moon]

that's true lmao

without ap2 heat wouldn't be a problem unironically

[rustic vale]

without ap2 everything slow could just run smair and win

[limber raft]

Idk I remember playing Rogue Legacy until I was able to beat the game and then beat the game again with the same character and it was like... I felt like that game was too hard to show to my more casual-gaming friends. But Hades stays engaging even when you're coming up against a wall gameplay-wise.

[fervent radish]

nah, chiron just needs conc, relentless, arty spec, and 150% additive

[rustic vale]

Look down a message

[hollow sentinel]

if you see a door with two gods and those two gods are the ones you want to get a duo boon from, will it make it so you can no longer get that duo boon if you go to that door

[rustic vale]

Yep

Wait

No

You can’t get the duo in that room

[limber raft]

is that for real :0

[latent moon]

you can't get duos in trials

but like

[hollow sentinel]

well just in general

[rustic vale]

You can get it after

[fervent radish]

smair isn't what makes aspects viable at high heat

[hollow sentinel]

oh okay aweseome

[latent moon]

if you take that room nothing happens really other than that

[rustic vale]

Yeah but for something like chiron just

Pop zeus bolts every 5 seconds

[latent moon]

ngl it'd make a lot of stuff a lot better

[fervent radish]

hm

yeah thats fair

[latent moon]

and would probably be integral to the build for heat

[rustic vale]

Or arthur? Imagine arthur with zeus bolts or hangover

[latent moon]

lowkey kinda like get rod + smair lmfao

[rustic vale]

it’d be so much less of a hastle

[grand mirage]

arthur is fine with that

[fervent radish]

but having multiple call charges is nice for safety

[latent moon]

if reddit can get 4 duos without dark foresight than so can high heat gamers

[grand mirage]

i tried for few runs

[rustic vale]

dc2 over

[slender spruce]

how much heat is considered "end game"

[latent moon]

32 bc that's the last in game reward

[fervent radish]

i get denied rod on a regular basis

[rustic vale]

32 is the start of high heat

[grand mirage]

entry level

[rustic vale]

and the end of vanilla players time

[grand mirage]

[latent moon]

i mean

[rustic vale]

Exactly

[limber raft]

Damn

[rustic vale]

32 heat is the tutorial over

[latent moon]

from a casual standpoint there's no reason to go above 32

[grand mirage]

me currently

i still have to deal with grinding

[latent moon]

so like once you beat it then you dont really need to go past that

if you want to go past that then you become not casual lmao

[limber raft]

As someone who is not invested in making the game as hard as it theoretically can be, There's rarely a reason to go above, like, 15 lol

[latent moon]

yeah exactly

[rustic vale]

Actually

A lot of heat is

[latent moon]

hit 32, get the reward, then dont do heat lmao

or do minimal heat

[rustic vale]

investing in making the game the least hard it can be

For that heat level

tbh

[slender spruce]

good boons for shield?

Apect of Chaos

[grand mirage]

what aspect

oh

[fervent radish]

i think RI0 AP0 CP1 DC0 is the max pact i would recommend as a game that is still fun without any elements of unfun

[latent moon]

switch to zag shield

[grand mirage]

switch to zagshield or zeus

[limber raft]

I have reached a point where no heat is like way too easy, but over like 20 is like oof I don't need the bounties anyway so why bother I'm just stressin' at that point

[rustic vale]

Aside from 64 heat, every heat pact is usually made with the intent of making the game as easy as it theoretically can be with that # of heat points

[fervent radish]

chaos ideally plays like bad zagshield

[slender spruce]

I like Chaos!

[rustic vale]

Just to be concise and redundant

[slender spruce]

I love the shotgun of shield

[latent moon]

to play good chaos, you play exactly like zag shield

which means you ignore the special unfortunately

[limber raft]

I have wondered how to make the chaos shield good

[slender spruce]

you don't special with Zag shield right

[latent moon]

yeah

[limber raft]

And I have tried many things and never succeeded lol

[fervent radish]

it's not a great perk

[slender spruce]

charge>special>attack?

[fervent radish]

but hangover can work on it

[latent moon]

early access people liked chaos bc it shot in a star pattern lmao

[grand mirage]

the best description ive seen for chaos shield is like zagshield without attack and dash strike bonus

[rustic vale]

Revert it to early access chaos shield

[slender spruce]

no the other shield thrown does not apply boon effects

sadly

[fervent radish]

what

[limber raft]

Well I more specifically mean, Idk how to make use of the special in a way where that's actually the main part of your game plan

[slender spruce]

only one of the shields gets the boon effect

[latent moon]

point blanking with zeus/dio is generally the way to go

[slender spruce]

the main one

[fervent radish]

chaos special applies full stacks of hangover

[rustic vale]

That’s you and every other chaos players

[latent moon]

no they all do

[limber raft]

I thought this might be the case LOL

[slender spruce]

oh what

[latent moon]

only 1 shield gets hammer effects like explosive and extra bounces

[slender spruce]

maybe it;s just the visuals

[fervent radish]

5x explosive return would be funny

[grand mirage]

true

[limber raft]

That would be incredible lol

[fervent radish]

say 250% additive

[latent moon]

it'd make it good or decent lmao

[rustic vale]

5x explosive return would make chaos either broken or usable unsure

[latent moon]

would be forced to do it point blank which could suck

[limber raft]

I've had like... Hangover on it, at which point I'm like hm. I should just be using the bow, lol

[latent moon]

but like base 250 point blank is clockets at home

[rustic vale]

tbh everything works with hangover

[limber raft]

Mhm

[grand mirage]

hangover arthur

[fervent radish]

yeah

oh huh that is just weak clockets

[fervent radish]

why would you use hangover on the bow

[rustic vale]

Anything that can’t take hangover on it’s strike and special just takes it on call

[limber raft]

I liked the idea of instantly fully stacking hangover on someone with the chaos shield special,

[fervent radish]

unless chiron ig

[grand mirage]

rama maybe, but its not very good at it

[rustic vale]

zeus and dio are best dps calls for a reason

Rama hangover special isn’t half bad

[fervent radish]

eh

[rustic vale]

it’s just not zeus

[limber raft]

Because compared to the powered up chaos shield special, hangover on the bow's special is approximately the same effect except without having to charge it up first lol

[fervent radish]

you had might as well play eris at that point

[limber raft]

Not saying hangover on the bow's special is optimal, just that it's already better than the chaos shield

[latent moon]

you're still stuck in a long ass animation tho lmao

[rustic vale]

Usiing regular bow special makes me want to walk into magma

[limber raft]

Fair point

[fervent radish]

chiron's does as well

[grand mirage]

lol

[rustic vale]

If it’s not rama I’m not specialling

[latent moon]

technically speaking

lower level chiron is better bc it has a faster special animation

[rustic vale]

I’m dash striking every day of the week 24/7/365

[fervent radish]

oh lmao

[latent moon]

less arrows means less animation

it just does f all lmfao

[fervent radish]

wait i feel like you can dash cancel out of it at the same time though

[grand mirage]

just get epic special speed boon from hermes

!

[rustic vale]

But does relentless increase it?

[grand mirage]

although yeah it does makes it fast

[latent moon]

no clue

[rustic vale]

Real, atp you start chaining concentrated volley

between flourishes

[fervent radish]

the animation but allegedly you can animation cancel at the same time

so it's not a nerf

[mint coral]

Iirc nyaanyaa tested it a while ago but no, relentless doesn't extend the animation

[limber raft]

Right of course. I should have thought of that

Something that can be easily planned for every run

[rustic vale]

You can get absurd base damage from it but you have to be willing to stand still for that many chiron specials

[grand mirage]

ive tested it for chiron, yeah its super great

aphro special too

[rustic vale]

I mean just hit rare swift flourish and rng manip eurydice

Guys if it was this easy my zag sword flurry slash heroic swift strike would be achieved by now

[fervent radish]

in an ideal world, aphro and arty special probably still want the extra arrows bc of conc volley

[tepid plover]

[fervent radish]

have you seen the routed 58 heat clear

[latent moon]

i've heard of it but never watched the run

[rustic vale]

nah I don’t watch those videos too little time too much adhd

[latent moon]

i do remember the end screen saying it was like

an hour long lmfao

[limber raft]

Pshhh easy. Probably easier than getting Chaos' legendary boon

[rustic vale]

I don’t watch runs often

[limber raft]

/j

[tepid plover]

Do you watch walks?

[latent moon]

you should watch the guan yu 64 :)

[rustic vale]

Yeah I actually have binoculars pointed out my window at the street rn

Actually where are my glasses

[tepid plover]

I don't watch 64 runs since most of them are modded, beats the purpose

[latent moon]

yeah bc no one wants to reset for epic start and first hammer lmao

and lose anyways to a coin flip in styx

[tepid plover]

I knoe

[latent moon]

it also doesnt detract from the game play

[rustic vale]

Beats the purpose of resetting until you get the same rng?

[latent moon]

it just gives the person more viable runs to actually play the game

instead of resetting for unironically hours every day

[rustic vale]

“Guys the 64 heat clear isn’t valid because they didn’t kill themselves till they got the epic boon start with the right boon”

[tepid plover]

I know is not possible, I'm just saying, like if I I know it was modded is kinda meh to me

[latent moon]

it took bai a week of "playing" unmodded to get a run

[fervent radish]

man is an AP2 enjoyer to the death

[tepid plover]

Factual statement

[latent moon]

with like 6 hours a day

[rustic vale]

The difference between modded and unmodded is literally how many runs you want to watch die in chamber one of tartarus

[tepid plover]

Granted I don't play in 64 heat

[fervent radish]

you should

[tepid plover]

Nah

[fervent radish]

I think it'll change your mind

[tepid plover]

I'm playing the game for fun, I don't find the modifiers needed for 64 fun

[rustic vale]

This is the big difference. Please think about that and tell me that makes it invalid.

[latent moon]

except ap2 lmao

ap2 is like the sole reason why 64 took so long to beat

[fervent radish]

having the epic first boon of your choice is like the bare minimum to not be resetting all day

[tepid plover]

For me is fun 🤷‍♂️

[rustic vale]

you need to 1/4 the boon you want and 1/epic chance to epic of it

[tepid plover]

I know I'm in the minority, you don't have to agree with me

[rustic vale]

To get the legs going

A modded 64 heat clear is the same as an unmodded clear you just remove the countless suicides in tartarus

[tepid plover]

Which is why I don't play 64 heat, you literally NEED a specific build/boon

[latent moon]

i mean it's not just 64 heat it's just high heat in general lmao

like past 45/50

[tepid plover]

Indeed

Hence why i stick to 30 or so

[rustic vale]

What does this statement mean. How does modding a 64 heat run beat the purpose

What is the purpose

[fervent radish]

nah, i def see what you mean and in theory, modifying the game would defeat the purpose of max difficulty, but in practice, it's boring resets, which makes it hard to actually get better at the game/is less fun

[tepid plover]

The statement means i don't watch them, period 🤧

[fervent radish]

24/24 routed 64 marathon time

[tepid plover]

Ignore the reasoning

[rustic vale]

fair enough. It just leads me to believe you think something about modded 64 which just ain’t true about it

[tepid plover]

That's aight

[grand mirage]

64 heat unmodded livestream
90% resets
5% stream break
5% actual runs

man id rather sleep

[rustic vale]

I won’t tell you 64 heat isn’t pain and agony for the runners involved

But it is glorious success

[old bluff]

Those are some pretty optimistic numbers

[tepid plover]

I'll rest when I'm dead. _

• Zagreus

[rustic vale]

He actually took that line from me

[grand mirage]

i haven't seen any livestream that does that so it really is optimistic

[rustic vale]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-gif-21863917

[tepid plover]

Now that I think about it, I've never seen you and zagreus in the same room

Coincidence?

[rustic vale]

You’ve also never seen Batman and Me in the same room

[tepid plover]

Conclusion zag = batman

[rustic vale]

Exactly

Batman never sleeps

He’s batman

Too busy crime fighting for that

[limber raft]

Maybe it helps to think of it more like a different game?
Like, vanilla hades was designed to have tons of options to add heat so you can customize the experience, but it's not necessarily "intended" for the player to play with max heat.
But mods can turn it into a game that is intended to be played with max heat, yknow? Rather than it being, like, "cheating"

[tepid plover]

Dammit

[tepid plover]

Good point, I don't like that other game

[limber raft]

Yeah that's legit

People are gonna want different things from it

[jagged hamlet]

Catwoman uses a whip, and Meg uses a whip...

[limber raft]

But that's what's so great about hades in general!

[limber raft]

Oh my gosh.. is zagreus betman..

That was a typo but I'm keeping it

Also i just caught up

[tepid plover]

We just confirmed this like 5 messages above

[limber raft]

And realized that was already said LOL

[jagged hamlet]

Ain't no Riddler, that's for sure

[tepid plover]

Idk man, have you ever listened to theseus, need a PhD to make sense of what he's saying

[grand mirage]

is it the other guy

[rustic vale]

idk man as-

[tepid plover]

Objection

[grand mirage]

i think i feel like its more of manipulating the rng so you won't have to deal with tons of resets, also AP2

[limber raft]

Yeah exactly

[rustic vale]

you still have to deal with ap2, you just aren't dealing with it for the most essentially part of the run where you'd reset over and over and over for it

I think everyone currently in chat agrees on that point

[tepid plover]

Personally I think the real problem is td2, not ap2. Ap2 would be fine if you weren't on a timer. That's just me

[rustic vale]

well

yeah

anything is possible if you're willing to kite for 8 years

[grand mirage]

[tepid plover]

Correct

[rustic vale]

td is the only thing making 64 heat not a kitefest

[grand mirage]

also under at least 20 minutes clear record, not realtime

[rustic vale]

kiting isn't as fun to play or watch and is hardly as skillful as td3 makes you need to be

the "fun" part of that message is in my opinion

[limber raft]

Forgive my ignorance but what is ap2 and td2

[tepid plover]

Approval process, tight deadline

[grand mirage]

approval process and tight deadline

[limber raft]

Ohhhh gotcha yes

[rustic vale]

td2 isn't even it for 64 heat

it's td3

[limber raft]

That's 5 minutes per area right?

[grand mirage]

i play td3 all the time, prob my most used condition

[rustic vale]

yeah

[grand mirage]

i tend to be frustrated when i clear longer than average

so td3 helps

[rustic vale]

I would say td3, em2 and fo2 are easily my most used conditions

[tepid plover]

I used td1 once for the prophecy

Never again

[grand mirage]

i feel you lol

i guess its just preference

[limber raft]

I reached a point where using td1 was, like, may as well keep it on cause I'm never taking longer than that anyway.

But then I introduced my boyfriend to the game and the way he games is so different from me hahaha. His runs are like 50 minutes because he is so meticulous and likes using only the shield and just blocking everything and only attacking when it's very safe to do so. (That said he's not playing with much heat yet i don't think he's beaten the main story)

I'm like, health or damage? Damage every time. If I needed to get health its cause i wasn't good enough to not get hit, so I'll just get better

[rustic vale]

I'm taking just whatever I feel like I need

[limber raft]

Legit

[grand mirage]

not picking health caused me to lose my clear streak, i think i was running hestia on low heat

[rustic vale]

if I know I'm not at a comfy hp range, I'll consider the heart

[grand mirage]

i suck at dodging

i had high confidence

so yea

[rustic vale]

I just haven't even thought about my clear streak since I started prioritising higher heats

it just didn't matter to me compared to the fact that I was able to clear them at all

[grand mirage]

its prob just me, i aim to at least get 30 clear streak

[limber raft]

Fair enough haha. And i mean there's a balance to be found: I'll pick the heart over money typically, for instance, or if it's a God whose boons don't give me much of what I want for that run, but in general I'm like. Vengeance? That means I only get a benefit if I get hit. Gimme something else.

[grand mirage]

then focus on w/e is next

[limber raft]

If there was a 1000 damage vengeance boon I'd still struggle to pick it xP

[rustic vale]

if I wanted a 30 clear streak I could easily just bump heat down from 40 or 32 to like 20 and

[limber raft]

That's fair

[grand mirage]

real

but at the same time i was doing it im trying to clear bounties

[rustic vale]

it wouldn't really feel any special though

cuz I know it's just what I should be able to do

y'know what I should do

all aspects 32 heat with shackle

pull it again

I did it for 20 heat like 2 years ago

[limber raft]

Next goal to get a 30 win streak at heat 40 am I right

[grand mirage]

[latent moon]

doable

just dont die

[limber raft]

😳

[limber raft]

You're absolutely right

[rustic vale]

I've already done it for zag bow

[latent moon]

the only boring part about a 30 streak is doing them all in a row

[limber raft]

If I followed this advice I'd be so good fr

LOL

[grand mirage]

true

[limber raft]

Fair

[latent moon]

idk maybe 30 streak with different aspects might be more enticing

[grand mirage]

im not really playing hades like frequently

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1009935640193945630/IMG_2087.jpg?ex=66661d5c&is=6664cbdc&hm=bd28330aca28d25cfd12d5f89ae915ae8abd43e504deca1c5892b0b514543a1a&

holy glare

[twin thistle]

Nice cp2

[rustic vale]

thanks this was a pact made by me in the year of our lord 2022

guys this is making me want to play Hades but at the same time

I just want to knock out this new pokemon sword save file I started

[limber raft]

There's your problem then. Where's your grindset. 10 runs a day minimum.

/j

[rustic vale]

only 10 runs a day? try 10 runs a minut-

[grand mirage]

i eep

jokes aside when i was still new on Hades i used to play at least more than 12 hours/day

[old bluff]

10 runs a dad is rookie numbers, I have had over 300 attempts in a day before

[rustic vale]

guys what aspect should I use for shackle 32 first

[limber raft]

Real

[old bluff]

Gilga

[twin thistle]

Zag sword

[grand mirage]

any zag aspect

[limber raft]

Literally how

[rustic vale]

K I'll take recommendations in that order

[old bluff]

14 hours of degen reseting on Beo for sub 6

[limber raft]

Each attempt would have to be like.. 12 minutes and that's if you didn't eat or sleep or go to the bathroom

[rustic vale]

Gilgamesh, Zag Sword, Zag rail. I've used zag bow too much recently too not put it last

[limber raft]

Oh

Lmao

[limber raft]

No idea if my math is right

[twin thistle]

Its easy if 90% of them die in tart

[limber raft]

Touche

[old bluff]

Not full escape, attempt

[old bluff]

The best part was this was unmodded too, so resets took like 45 seconds to a min

[limber raft]

Zagreus fists?

[limber raft]

Bruh

Are you ok, have you recovered from that time

[rustic vale]

at least noboddy has said chaos yet

[latent moon]

chaos isn't even bad

[old bluff]

I have done this multiple times

[latent moon]

it's still fine

[regal epoch]

Accilies

[latent moon]

it's still a shield

[rustic vale]

I might get skill diffed by gilga here

[old bluff]

Just run Tdash, you'll be fine

[grand mirage]

true

[latent moon]

tdash only 32 isnt as bad as you think

if you still use summons at lesat

[limber raft]

A few months ago I did a new save and was trying to just do the achievements... it took me 80 runs to get Chaos' legendary Boon and that was with many of them specifically looking for it. I cannot imagine the rng patience it takes to reset that many times in a day lol