#h1-discussion

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mint coral
jagged hamlet
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SGG just can't leave stones unturned in their pursuit of ludonarrative harmony!

obsidian drum
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I just imagined Zaggy if this Hades was his father and I laughed

karmic pulsar
obsidian drum
jagged hamlet
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It would be uncanny and terrifying zagshock

obsidian drum
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"hey hey hey, do not make me go up there to stop you both" (when you fight with Thanatos)

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"Oh did you found what I did to Hercules? What did you want me to do?? He would have stopped the titans and- LISTEN ME THERE, YOUNG MAN, YOU'RE STILL FORBIDDEN TO GO TO GREECE!"

karmic pulsar
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Imagine the lines in-between sections like in the regular game he comments about you beating the bosses and moving on, but if it was Disney Hades he would say the goofiest things imaginable

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The antagonist would be the comic relief too I guess

obsidian drum
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(When you use Aphrodite's aid on Hades) "Why are you using her power? for father's love? yeah, that's the one way you'll get it"

karmic pulsar
obsidian drum
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"Yeah, Hercules might have toys and all, but you know what he doesn't have?

What?

A dinosaur"

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Dang now I would like to draw Hercules and Pegasus vs Zagreus and Cerberus, but one or the other cannot stay for so long in their places.

karmic pulsar
obsidian drum
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"Hey hey, not MY fault Zeus gave him a Pegasus. Besides, you never were in a 'daddy, I want a pony' mode neither!"

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I think Skelly would get along with Pain and Panic

karmic pulsar
obsidian drum
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I hear it with Logan's voice and I cannot stop giggling

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And Meg, Thanatos and Zag staring like

karmic pulsar
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I wonder what Disney Hades' linseed about Cerberus would look like... in the actual game sometimes he will talk a bit about Cerberus and how before he wouldn't have let Zag past etc. Would be funny to see those lines honestly.

obsidian drum
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And in the movie we don't see so much of Cerberus.

mint coral
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classic td2 into td3 time clear

shadow heart
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a yes the distruction zone

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zues shield with posiedons attack

late plover
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If you get athena reflection on your attack would charging bull rush reflect everything rather than completely block it?

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Im thinking if it works then clearing hades when he uses the lasers would be a lot easier

tepid light
opaque dew
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Died to Theseus AGAIN

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PLEASE

oak olive
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Anyone know what is the use of duo boon of aphrodite and demeter? Its so ass

void vigil
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some duos are creative but not very good

vernal jungle
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😄

vernal jungle
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you can walk right beside him where the lasers don't hit you

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and get free damage so long as your build doesn't involve dash-striking

tepid light
oak olive
tepid light
# oak olive Yeah

yeah it can be rather useless in a lot of cases, but if you're running a close-range weapon like sword or fists you can actually get some nice damage out of it

oak olive
tepid light
oak olive
tepid light
vernal jungle
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repeatedly casting and picking up stuff is a chore

stone rune
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don’t take meme beam in the first place

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it blows

trim fjord
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Can someone explain to me the difference between upgrading boon lv and boon rarity? Also does it work like in similar games where if you upgrade to a certain level it resets and has a higher rarity?

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Someone has to fix this bot it picks up hades 1 as hades 2 constantly

loud kestrel
trim fjord
loud kestrel
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Nope, there is no max level afaik, Poms just keep adding

trim fjord
loud kestrel
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Yeah

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I have never gone beyond level 7 in any particular boon

vernal jungle
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the highest i got was 6 on heartbreak special

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chiron pilled

lethal bronze
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I went like 10+ before, but it's not worth it lmao

loud kestrel
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Only way you can increase rarity is by demeter or eurydice though so better to have rarer boon at first

warm swallow
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Does Doom stack? Like, if I hit the same enemy with an Ares attack twice, do they get two instances of Doom?

loud kestrel
warm swallow
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So it's basically terrible for fast weapons?

silk carbon
loud kestrel
silk carbon
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then it's rly good for fast weapons

warm swallow
silk carbon
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ares + Athena is an incredible build for twin fists

silk carbon
tepid light
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good ol Merciful End

silk carbon
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its so fast

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think i got a 16 min run with them just playing casually

vernal jungle
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17 min nemesis run

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and i had the doom on attack and deflect on special lel

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my fastest run was 15 mins with excalibur

warm swallow
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Aww, I got another mistimed dialogue. 😩

chrome marten
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what are the easiest pact of punsihment tasks

reef zodiac
warm swallow
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do I understand correctly that Thunder Flourish is absolutely busted with Chiron's bow?

reef zodiac
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There’s a cool down for lightning bolts

warm swallow
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aww

reef zodiac
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So you’ll only get a single bolt

steep comet
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How do I unlock Poseidon's last heart? A guide says I need to catch 18 fish. Do I need to catch each type or just a numbers game?

reef zodiac
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However, you could use Poseidon’s special with sea storm

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Idr if that actually gives you more bolts, it’s been too long, but I thought it did

tepid light
reef zodiac
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I’m the opposite, I put on TD3 for my hitless runs because why not dusa

tepid light
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Time limits are easily one of my least favorite mechanics in general in these kinds of games

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Makes me nervous and prone to mistakes

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I've had tight deadline 1 on for a while, but never gone further

vernal jungle
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i had more time on the clock than the time i took to beat the game

steep comet
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Unlocking the last hearts is so difficult because most of it is RNG. Is there a better way to get the result I want

vernal jungle
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you gotta have a fish in your inventory when you talk to him

steep comet
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I just wanna see the epilogue, man

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I do catch one

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Then I put on Poseidon's keepsake so I get him more but he doesn't talk about the fish I caught

reef zodiac
tepid light
reef zodiac
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Of course

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You have “EM4 enjoyer” in your name, I for one hate EM4 dusa

tepid light
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Haha, you wouldn't be the only one

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I've mentioned it many a time, but my heat preferences are vastly different that a lot of other peoples' in this server

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I adore EM4 because I was too bored with regular dad fight

reef zodiac
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EM4 is fun for low heat, but once the fight is actually hard I just can’t stand how poorly balanced it is

tepid light
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I run a lot of modifiers other people find insufferable, and refuse to use a lot that are commonly seen as easy

oak olive
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What is em4

reef zodiac
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Extreme measures 4

oak olive
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I heard it takes long time to kill hades

tepid light
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I don't use underworld customs, routine inspection, damage control, or approval process at all

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i've kept tight deadline 1 for the longest time

lethal bronze
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Where are the 64 heat enjoyers?

tepid light
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and the last time i played, i'd only recently started using convenience fee and lasting consequences

reef zodiac
oak olive
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Is based fist better than most aspect?

reef zodiac
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Damage control is aspect/build dependent. Like it hardly does anything if you’re using Zeus attack on Eris

lethal bronze
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Personally, I like Demeter

reef zodiac
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Demeter is def best for heat/speed

oak olive
tepid light
reef zodiac
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Calisthenics program is really bad

oak olive
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Is that the more foe?

reef zodiac
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+30% hp to enemies and bosses

oak olive
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Oh thats suck

reef zodiac
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Yeah for only 2 heat too

tepid light
reef zodiac
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You just need to plan around it

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It’s not too hard to have an extra boon after each biome

tepid light
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As has been summarized: I much prefer modifiers that make enemies stronger than modifiers that make zag/the player weaker

reef zodiac
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UC feels bad on a few builds like merciful end

oak olive
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Damage control

tepid light
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I want to feel like I overcame a greater enemy, not that I dragged myself through a slog with an iron ball chained to my foot

reef zodiac
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Increasing enemy hp and quantity feels more like a slog with an iron ball chained to your foot than not doing those things and putting yourself on a timer

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TD3 would give you enough heat to remove all of both calisthenics program and jury summons

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You’d find it much easier to go fast that way

tepid light
reef zodiac
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Yeah no worries

tepid light
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As I said: I prefer stronger enemies, not a weaker player

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Tight deadline 3 would make me so anxious I probably wouldn't even want to play

reef zodiac
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I personally find fast play very fun though, so I will personally suggest it

tepid light
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You are far from the only one who enjoys such here, haha

reef zodiac
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Yeah I know, I used to be a (mediocre) speedrunner

tepid light
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I'm just not much for speedrunning or even going fast, I much prefer taking my time with things and steadily pushing my way through hard encounters

The feeling of defeating a very strong enemy is much more satisfying to me than just beating a timer

vernal jungle
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stripping stuff away from the player is the dumbest way to add difficulty

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stuff like "one-life" saves are just stupid

balmy granite
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I got orpheus to visit eurydice but eurydice still has a heart lock, what do?

tepid light
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I'm just commenting based on what I myself find fun vs not fun

lethal bronze
balmy granite
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I just realized I have a lock on literally every character except dionysus and demeter

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I didnt know there are special requirements you have to do

lethal bronze
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Eventually you will get it, But I got unlucky too with 1 particular character

vernal jungle
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i just kept giving stuff to dusa and finished her storyline before anyone elses

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haven't gotten to the part where she gets fired

lethal bronze
balmy granite
vernal jungle
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or is that something that won't happen unless some prerequisite is met

balmy granite
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I think Im close to doing that

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I literally have a lock on everyone except artemis who I maxed out and demeter and dionysus who I didnt get to the lock yet

chrome marten
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how does gilgamesh work

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like do i special then dash attack

vernal jungle
mint coral
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it doesn't

vernal jungle
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how do you do that

balmy granite
vernal jungle
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ah ok lel

mint coral
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Yeah artemis is just talk

balmy granite
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shes my favorite character in the game so I did that first

mint coral
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Have her mention callisto a bunch

reef zodiac
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Does Gilga run ME for both heat and speed?

vernal jungle
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curse greek myth canon for preventing us from romancing her

lethal bronze
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Poseidon and Aphro were my last bonds to forge

mint coral
balmy granite
vernal jungle
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dusa gave us the friend pass why can't she

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artemis is the god of virginity

balmy granite
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so annoying

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I got the legendary fish first

oak olive
vernal jungle
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besides she's up there and you are down there

oak olive
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Cause i spam chiron

lethal bronze
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Once you get the hang of it

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Rama is insane

vernal jungle
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i get wanting to phone sex the goddess of the hunt but it's not canon compliant

vernal jungle
balmy granite
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well theres alot for me to do to max out everyone then

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I didnt know I have to do side stuff lmao

reef zodiac
chrome marten
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just got gilga, how to build and also is the dash atk auto target

mint coral
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Run merciful end or tidal dash only

vernal jungle
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my first bow win was with the explosive arrow thing

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where you do triple damage AOE

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now i got an aspect that does that

topaz haven
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Did the new patch already drop?

old bluff
topaz haven
old bluff
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👍

gloomy bridge
trim cloak
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I'm 48/49 achievements and I've been using the same 2 keepsakes ever since and now I realize that achievement is to level them all to 3

mint coral
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I just used a 100% file for that one

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Took one look at it and went, nah

trim cloak
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I calculated it and I think it's about 50 runs

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If I keep liking the game it will come eventually, I guess

gloomy bridge
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does eris special stacked?

mint coral
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No

manic galleon
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EM4 really is no joke. I got it the first time I tried, but I went into that fight strong af, with a awesome build and still ended it with no DDs and less than 50 health

warm swallow
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do different Calls charge at different rates?

reef zodiac
mint coral
reef zodiac
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Yeah and Hades has 2

mint coral
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But the formula for charging is the same

warm swallow
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is Hades any good? 50% charge to turn invisible and do one stronger attacks seems rather weak

tropic agate
reef zodiac
mint coral
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Is the invisible part that lasts for 1 hit

warm swallow
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Oh.

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ok, but the effect only lasts 2 seconds 🤔

mint coral
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And yeah the main use is speedruns

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+100% dmg for a burst is good

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Also helps delay dad's darkness move

reef zodiac
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Eris charges calls very quickly

tropic agate
reef zodiac
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Iirc it makes him repeat his last attack, right? So you want to use it after something that wasn’t darkness

mint coral
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Yeah

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Charm does the same but its charm

warm swallow
mint coral
warm swallow
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is it a special interaction of some sort?

mint coral
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Using the call makes enemies repeat their last move

warm swallow
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oh?

vernal jungle
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what does the hades call do

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does it just boost damage

mint coral
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So if you use it during any move the time spent repeating the attack may help you phase him before the darkness moves

vernal jungle
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invis is weird

mint coral
# vernal jungle what does the hades call do

+100% dmg/invis until you attack for 2s (also movement speed iirc? But for rush delivery it doesn't matter usually)
Grester call is the same except invis goes away when the call ends (lasts 5s)

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Also clears poison

vernal jungle
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oh so it's just a load of utility slapped onto a call

mint coral
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Yeah

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Is pretty much a speedrun only keepsake

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You are usually better just slapping acorn on

warm swallow
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Does piercing wave affect enemies in melee range? Like, does it give me +30 DMG per attack?

reef zodiac
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Iirc yes. The waves won’t be affected by your attack boon though

shrewd goblet
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whats lirc

meager shuttle
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My Hades vinyl showed up finally.. right before I have to go to work shadegrief

jagged hamlet
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Just keep thinking about it at work and never stop looking at the clock so the day lasts forever 👍

reef zodiac
somber star
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What can I do to get to the epilogue?

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I've been advancing storylines such as the nyx and chaos one and the achilles one, but even after reaching the point where I can no longer gift gods anything more nothing is triggering with persephone

lethal bronze
lethal bronze
main cosmos
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I got halting shot as one of my choices while I have another halting shot activating in 3 encounters. Is this normal and if so does it stack?

mint coral
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Yeah

main cosmos
somber star
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I have the little god icons on most keepsakes so I assume that counts as bonds forged

mint coral
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Yeah

somber star
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Guess I just need to talk with persephone more

mint coral
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And dem counts as one of 6 when you reach the lock

somber star
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I was wondering about some of those that have locks haha

mint coral
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Is basically a side quest

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A few of them can be done by just keep talking/some show as prophecies and others are a bit more specific

somber star
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Good to know, I'm definitely working on getting that list of minor prophecies down

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Will legendary boons show up just by getting the god a lot?

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(Like by whittling down the boon pool)

jagged hamlet
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Negative, ghostrider. A lot of legendaries have specific prereqs which you can check via the Codex

somber star
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Or is it always set chance

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Ooh thanks, I had no idea

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Probably my favorite combo so far has been Hermes legendary + Artemis legendary haha, the cast damage was crazy

quiet merlin
tiny elk
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Is it weird that every time i use exagryph I succeed or almost succeed at escaping while with any other weapon I get pummeled halfway through?

jagged hamlet
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Not really! Exagryph is a low-effort, high-reward weapon unlike others such as fists or spear

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Oh my goodness I can't syntax today

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Brain! Fog!

echo phoenix
stray anchor
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why charon never fights me anymore 😦

mint coral
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Bad luck or you are skipping the midshop

modest tulip
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apologies

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my bad

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thought this hades 2 channel

balmy granite
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to unlock poseidon's hearts do I have to fish out any 18 fish or all 18 species?

mint coral
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18 fish pretty sure

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Oh wait "18 unique fish"

balmy granite
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oh yeah also I still didnt get that ares prophecy

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I have him maxed out up until the lock and I killed 24k enemies

mint coral
jagged hamlet
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Food for StickyBot!

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I bet lots of Hades 2 players run into bars 👀

glossy remnant
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Hey

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I want to 100% the first game before playing 2

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I got a lot, I just want to go get the rest one by one

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What are ||hidden weapon variants?||

mint coral
glossy remnant
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||Oh, so they all depend on me to get 5 other aspects unlocked||

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Which one would you get? @mint coral

mint coral
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rail/spear can be fun (spear is somewhat of an aquired taste tho)

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not a huge fan sword/fists but you may like them

somber star
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I'm liking Zeus shield a lot more than I thought I would

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After countless attempts of maining Beowulf

jagged hamlet
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I should hope you'd like it! It spins!

somber star
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It's true I do love the spinning

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Basically nullifies damage control

wild arrow
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I’m trying to do the epilogue of this game, because supposedly there is a final cutscene, but I don’t understand one thing

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Do I need to unlock every Olympian god heart in order to get that cutscene?

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Cause some of them have ridiculous requirements to unlocking the heart…

mint coral
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dem counts as one of the 6 when reaching the lock

wild arrow
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We only need 6 hearts?

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That’s a relief then CAUSE APHRODITE REQUIREMENT TO UNLOCKING THE HEART IS CRAZY

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I have all of them at 6 hearts now so probably Persephone will have some new dialogue for me when I get back

mint coral
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all gods max at 7 hearts

wild arrow
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Hm so I need to max at least 6

mint coral
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still can ignore aphro at least dusa

wild arrow
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Yeah thank god lmao

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Her requirement is crazyyy

somber star
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Really haha

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She's one of the ones I do have

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Artemis on the other hand...

mint coral
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aphro's is maxing than, meg and dusa lmao

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or dating them

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at least if you max dusa you end up doing dio's too

somber star
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Yeah

long nest
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Hey pals! I'm sure y'all have answered this 1000 times by now but I'm having trouble with the wanton ransacking prophesy, can't find whats between "dire bother" and "dire gigantic vermin"

native blade
long nest
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is it just another random mini boss in styx??

somber star
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Yeah they just spawn randomly in the elite paths

mint coral
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using the middle management pact can help you find them

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they spawn an extra miniboss in the tunnels

long nest
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oh perfect thank you!

steep star
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After a couple of weeks into Hades 2, I feel like going back to the original for a bit. Here's the question: I quit two years ago, and I was at about 20 wins and up to 5 heat on my best aspect but hadn't won with all weapons yet. Do you think it would be more fun to start from a fresh save and see the whole story again, or better to pick up my existing save and not waste time repeating all the unlocks?

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Thanks bot

mint coral
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I mean your call on what would rather get more

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If you wanna go for the 32 statue/speedruns I'd just keep the save

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But the story is still nice

native blade
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Let's see if I still got it

topaz ravine
mint coral
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straight into erebus lmao

manic galleon
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After a certain point alecto HAS to have a higher spawn rate than the rest of the furys, right?

fervent radish
brisk trail
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I never did the heat Gauge thing

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Any advice regarding that?

fervent radish
brisk trail
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I HATE THIS BOT

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STFU

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WE KNOW

fervent radish
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it just tries to keep the message pinned lol

brisk trail
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alguem br?

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to precisando de ajuda pra saber como que eu evoluo minha arma

fervent radish
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you need titan blood to upgrade your weapon. it drops from the first and last boss

oak olive
fervent radish
brisk trail
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Anyone have any cooking recipes for the cosmic egg omelette?

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It would be cool if Chaos and Zagreus shared a cosmic omelette together in the lounge

jagged hamlet
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Depends! Can your skillet fit a nebula?

steep star
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ok I went back and saw that I only had 38 hours played before I set the game aside, I decided to start a new save and I'm not regretting it

quiet merlin
brisk trail
fervent radish
mellow jolt
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I bought Hades a few days ago and I quickly learned that using the keypad/board as the controller is very limiting, so I wanted to ask what the best controller option is for the game, that also works with a Laptop?

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Windows laptop, if that matters

sleek cliff
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i assume

latent moon
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Kbm works fine

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Multiple top players use kbm

mellow jolt
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My specific issue is that it's very out of the way to attack while dashing consistently on keyboard and special / cast since the button presses are so far away vs on a controller they don't flow well naturally into combos

latent moon
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As for best controller option well that's just whatever you have tbh lmao

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Or want

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I tried a PS5 controller and I like kbm better bc I had 500 hours on kbm

mellow jolt
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I think speed runners use Aegis right? I'm not trying to speed run but it hits multiple targets and you can act while the shield is away, is that true?

latent moon
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They use shield but not the shield throw at all

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Except for Zeus shield but that's not good for speed

mellow jolt
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Yea I'm going to research speed run strats and then just apply them to playing the game normally

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Atm it's a lot of info to take in

latent moon
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Also how are you dash striking on kbm that makes it inconvenient

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Or inconsistent rather

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Hit spacebar and click at the same time lmao

mellow jolt
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space for dash, right pad (?) press for attack and arrow keys for direction

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I don't have a seperate mouse atm

latent moon
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You don't use wasd?

mellow jolt
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I could ye

latent moon
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Oh no mouse is the problem then

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Not the fact that kbm doesn't work well lmao

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Get a mouse not a controller

mellow jolt
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Alr will do

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Thanks!

latent moon
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Yeah a mouse is gonna be cheaper than a controller lmao

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you can prob get one for like 5 bucks at a local store

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and you can use it for like work or other games like fps games if you want

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controller works too for other games ofc but a mouse is gonna help you do work lmao

tepid light
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hey bananas

fresh robin
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Just got the game

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On my 15th run, made it to hades, beat hades

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Then he had a 2nd health bar

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Raged

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Love the game

stoic hearth
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At long last today I finally finished all achievements for Hades. The last one was getting 30% on Thanatos's keepsake.

tepid light
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Enjoy your stay

fresh robin
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Yah I am done playing hades for the night that tilted me

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Last time I made up there I died immediately because I did not know poison exist

tender tartan
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(He doesn't know.)

ornate wyvern
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Why does my hades game on switch sometimes freeze whenever I try to be quick

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I had a goated run and then my hades game crashed ☹️

warm swallow
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Does Proud Bearing (start at 20% god gauge) stack with Sigil of the Dead (same effect)?

raw herald
floral heath
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hello, need some help here, how do i know which door has the satyr sac?

void vigil
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it's random but it will never be in the first tunnel

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its most likely to find it on the second tunnel, and the likeliness goes down for each one

floral heath
halcyon cliff
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it feels like the only time I can deal big damage is with an upgrade from the hammer

halcyon cliff
rustic vale
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Not Hades

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I’ve been playijg Hades on my switch for 400+ hours and haven’t experienced any crashing

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And my switch is fairly old

rustic vale
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Depending on the weapon the hammers may be super impactful or not so much

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So I think it’s likely a number of contributing factors: however, learning builds and build concepts isn’t hard, and we have #h1-builds-and-combat to help

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(And if the issue is actually your mechanical gameplay Builds can help with that too)

deft canyon
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Theseus becoming paranoid was funny lmao

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Zagreus's smugmess made it 100 Times funnier

wild arrow
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Theseus is so annoying

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He ain’t even strong but boasts about it like crazy

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If it wasn’t a 2 on 1 fight it would probably be one of the easiest bosses

steep comet
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I dunno, I hate shield shades

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I find them difficult to deal with, and Theseus is a shield shade cranked to 11

mint coral
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Dash through them when they attack you so you can hit them

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And more specific but they always spawn facing right

steep comet
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I mean, I know how to deal with them. I just find it difficult to deal with them

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Elysium has been my wall for a long time before I started clearing more

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Most of the enemies in that area are annoying to deal with

mint coral
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True

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The real strat is skip the biome dusa

steep comet
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It is the most eye pleasing biome too

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Unfortunate that they placed the anti-fun enemies there

vernal jungle
#

shields

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🤮

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EM theseus is easier than normal due to his chariot being able to be hit anywhere on the screen

mint coral
#

Unarmored swordmen are the worst

vernal jungle
#

at least that's my take

mint coral
#

They just keep spawning

oak portal
#

Finally got all the achievements:)

dreamy verge
#

Hi ppl, how do i fight against charon, cz I fought him once but it didnt appear the option to fight against him again

steep comet
#

It's why I love Blade Rift and Festive Fog, they ignore the shield

steep comet
mint coral
dreamy verge
#

so its random

mint coral
#

Is a 22% for it to appear

dreamy verge
#

bro yesterday i played 5 runs, won 5 of em and ididnt get the shop once xd

#

the bag

dreamy verge
oak portal
#

I think in my last 15 or so runs I saw it maybe once

warm swallow
#

does Aspect of Chiron "mark" Theseus if he blocks the attack?

#

I've got a choice between Relentless Volley (+4 arrows fired on special) and Piercing Volley (special pierces and deals +400% damage to armor)

mint coral
#

I would just take relentless anyways

warm swallow
#

hmm, so which do I choose? 🤔

mint coral
#

You wanna get behind him to mark him anyway

warm swallow
#

Piercing could come in handy for Styx, though. And I think it might be able to damage him more reliably too.

vernal jungle
#

nah take the +4

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chiron is single-target anyway and you can always just spam special for the small rats

#

or spam dash-strike

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or have a boon that makes your dash do damage which is half of them

quartz sun
#

The +4 shots is great. Even better if you can get the other hammer that adds damager per shot hit. Then Chiron gets BROKEN.

vernal jungle
#

chiron and rama are both pretty broken without a lot of help

#

for rama you need crit damage and for chiron you need a good special boon

somber star
mint coral
#

So if it shows up in tart you can just ignore ir

somber star
#

Yeah that was the next thing I was about to ask haha

#

How generous

lethal bronze
#

Rama is the better Chiron bow

quartz sun
mint coral
#

Preference on play style sure (and fair for like 90% of the content that most players do)

#

Up the heat some more or try to go fast and chiron falls off a cliff

lethal bronze
cloud mist
#

We need soft pity for asterion

#

Does asterion appear on the butterfly boss room or shortly after it?

#

It seems when the boss rooms appear seems kinda fixed

#

You can't get asterion if you get the butterfly ball (large)

fervent radish
#

I believe they appear with equal chance

cloud mist
#

I have been getting exclusively ball for 10 runs now

fervent radish
#

Do you have any mods on?

cloud mist
#

And the one time I have asterion I didn't have gloves on

fervent radish
#

Oh

#

Yeah that’s just rng then unfortunately

cloud mist
#

For a 5050 it seems really skewed

#

Does the rooms you take before actually change the chances for the rooms?

mint coral
#

I wish I saw B.ball as much as you unmodded

cloud mist
#

Lmao

fervent radish
#

I’m not certain, but I assume that if you had two minibosses, one would be asterius and one would be bball

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Also I think room layout is determined when you enter the previous chamber, so that would probably force miniboss

cloud mist
#

That said I do have wemod running, but I doubt that affects the rng since I've always ran the game with the mod on

mint coral
#

Wait which mod are you running

#

Speedrunning modpack?

cloud mist
#

No it's kinda cheats

#

Health money and instakills

#

Ok do not tell me it's another 1 room satyr sack

cloud mist
mint coral
#

Fair

fervent radish
fervent radish
#

Alr

cloud mist
#

It happened to me

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No other room had a sack

rustic vale
#

wdym

cloud mist
#

Only the last bloody one had a sack

#

I did all 5 rooms and only the last one had the sack

rustic vale
#

Yeah

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That’s like a 1-2% chance

fervent radish
cloud mist
#

It still happened

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Ok

fervent radish
#

Nw

cloud mist
#

Also is there any way you can track dialogue?

rustic vale
#

A 1 sack would mean you got it in the first tunnel you went down. Which the game cannot have happen in vanilla

cloud mist
#

I really need to know whether I triggered the first phrase with asterion

cloud mist
rustic vale
#

otherwise not really

cloud mist
#

I could try

#

If it's organised in any way I'll find a way

rustic vale
#

Finding that data would probably take longer than

#

getting your next needed dialogue

cloud mist
#

No it would

#

Wouldn't

#

I just need to know if I've initiated the first dialogue needed for the second dialogue that unlocks gilgamesh

#

I think the glove runs are cursed

rustic vale
cloud mist
#

I've not been able to meet asterion with the gloves on so I need to know if it had happened at least once before

#

With the gloves on

#

Where's the savefile?

#

Might have to unencrypt it as well though ....

rustic vale
#

Idk I’ve never taken a gander at mine

cloud mist
#

Cult of the lamb had a website for that

rustic vale
#

Hades modding might know a bit better

mint coral
fervent radish
#

It’s in documents>saved games>hades

#

ProfileX.sav should be it

#

But I don’t know how it’s formatted

north trellis
#

Uhh was I just blind and completly miss a door? Cause I only have (and ever saw) 1 hammer, and im at end of Elysium now (about to fight boss)

rustic vale
#

It’s just incredibly likely

north trellis
#

wow. ive always gotten 2 before, so I got really confused

fervent radish
#

I’ve gotten first hammer in ely before yeah

rustic vale
#

For the longest time my fists pb was like a 11-12 minute talos build with no hammers because I didn’t see any till elysium and it was never worth it over the other option atp

cloud mist
#

yeap it need decrypting

#

damn i gotta leave some servers again

stray anchor
#

the head chef is actually the most op character in hades. he cuts horizontally and his onions come out sliced vertically 😱

limpid ocean
#

which keepsakes do you need to max rank to get the achievement? I thought it was all of the ones in the first two rows of the thing, but just finished that and the achievmenet didn't trigger.

#

Shattered shackle / hades aid are either of them standard? Only have those two at non-level 3

mint coral
#

Or everything but companions

limpid ocean
#

I guess I'll try leveling up dad keepsake and SS until I get it

brisk trail
#

Green cosmic eggs and ham

brisk trail
fervent radish
brisk trail
#

sorry, i don't speak english good

fervent radish
fervent radish
brisk trail
#

the skeleton don't talk anything

mint coral
brisk trail
mint coral
#

The interact button doesn't appear?

#

Oh wait

#

When did you unlock the last weapon @brisk trail

brisk trail
brisk trail
mint coral
#

Do one more run

#

Doesn't matter if you die in the first room

brisk trail
#

ok

mint coral
#

Doing runs "refreshes" the house so you get more dialogue and what not

brisk trail
mint coral
#

👍

cloud mist
#

Aspect of Zeus with thunder on special boon is really good wtf

#

I thought the bot was going to censor me there lmao

stray anchor
#

so why are the gorgons all floating heads 🤔

fervent radish
#

That doesn’t make sense nvm

austere stag
#

Does using a God keepsake at the start of a run guarantee that God being in the rotation for that run?

#

Oh my bad

void vigil
#

yes

austere stag
#

Cool ty

small vigil
#

Does anyone have any tips on completing Zeus' favor?

#

I read somewhere that you need to somehow trigger the duo boon dialogue between him and Demeter

dense oasis
#

How many endings does this game have?

small vigil
#

One?

dense oasis
#

Nope

void vigil
#

it has an ending and an epilogue

dense oasis
#

So only two?

small vigil
#

Only one

void vigil
#

no it is one, linear ending

#

with additional content

small vigil
mint coral
#

The favor is getting all gods to talk about him

#

And also having zeus mentioning that he wants to talk with dad again, hearing dad's answer and report back to zeus

dense oasis
#

Since spoilers are allowed
||I got the mother back to house of hades, then I invited Zeus and the others to dine in the underworld||
Anything else that can be achieved?

mint coral
#

And when I mean "talking about zeus" is not the duo but just random

small vigil
mint coral
#

If you have a zeus boon sometimes they just say stuff like "I see that he has already blessed you blah blah"

#

Yeah

small vigil
#

Okay

#

Thx

mint coral
dense oasis
mint coral
#

Each character has one

#

Favor is the thing that lets you gift ambrosia

mint coral
fluid belfry
#

first time getting rare crop, is it a good idea to take it right before the tunnels?

mint coral
#

As how to trigger them
Most can be done by just playing (zeus/arty for example)
A few are tied to prophecies (skelly/ares)
A few are a bit more specific (hermes main example)

fluid belfry
#

like at the last charon shop, when arriving

#

i don't want to spoil

mint coral
#

You should be able to get most by just playing but if you want the specifics you can check the wiki @dense oasis

mint coral
#

But I think if you get a 2 tunnel sack is gonna get you just to rare?

fluid belfry
#

so it's not a bad idea unless i have many heroics, because it stops at epic?

#

or does it go til heroic

small vigil
#

And for Poseidon's favor?

#

Do I need to catch all fish possible?

mint coral
#

Heroic

mint coral
dense oasis
small vigil
#

Do I need to fulfill something for fish to spawn at chaos?

mint coral
#

Luck

fluid belfry
#

oh wait the wiki says rare crop only affects 1 boon? lmao this should def be in the ingame description

small vigil
#

I've done about 70 runs without getting a single one

mint coral
#

Chaos has the lowest chance for fish to soawn it

mint coral
fluid belfry
#

i thought it was ALL boons, that would be so cracked

#

its a common rare crop

mint coral
#

Commons affects 1/rare 2/epic 3

fluid belfry
#

rip this is so bad

#

i got the sack in two

#

so i was right it would have been bad

#

i took frozen touch instead but wtv

wild arrow
#

Why the hell am I giving nectar TO A ROCK

#

A Boulder* actually

fluid belfry
#

shield is so strong omg

mint coral
small vigil
open leaf
small vigil
#

Now comes the funny part of figuring out, which gods' dialogues about Zeus have I already heard

plucky night
#

my luck is insane i just got 2 duo boon at once

glossy remnant
#

I will not escape again :c

#

I took a tiny break (3 years)

#

and I am trying to get the Achivement for ||escaping with one of the hidden aspects||

jagged hamlet
#

Just nuke your way out with Beowulf

glossy remnant
#

With what?

mint coral
#

Do you mean the prophecies?

glossy remnant
mint coral
#

Huh forgot that was one

#

Which hidden are you doin?

glossy remnant
#

I mean, I only got the spear

#

I also got the sword and the bow but not the blood to unlock them

mint coral
#

Oh bouldy

#

Yeah that makes more sense lol

glossy remnant
#

TL;DR I am trying to get the Achievement for escaping with one of the hidden aspects
also struggling with getting 30% on the Thanatos keepsake and Infernal Gates
Those three achievements were the ones I'd have been happy to get today :/

mint coral
#

For butterfly/ere ys you can do hestia rail if levelled up

#

If not, hidden spear is actually good at it

#

But you wanna reset for charged skewer hammer

glossy remnant
#

Yeah I just suck... OH wait no

mint coral
#

After that is pretty much a higher dmg bow

glossy remnant
#

I just swapped some stuff at the mirror

glossy remnant
#

I swapped that to fulfill a minor profecy of buying all the items in the wells, and the only one I lacked was item bound to the alternative perk

plucky night
#

I have somehow gotten low tolerance splitting headache curse of nausea and heart rend in one run

glossy remnant
#

Neat

#

Anyways see you tomorrow, I might try again

#

I want to 100% this game b4 the release of part 2

rustic vale
#

among other resources needed for him (way less hard task tbh)

#

in any sort of timely manner

glossy remnant
#

The what?

#

I don't even have my Mirror maxed.

rustic vale
#

he gives you a little title (with increasing cost of darkness and other resources)

#

There are 50 total and that’s your end darkness needed for him

glossy remnant
somber star
#

That's just a ridiculous amount

rustic vale
#

I’m like halfway ish?

somber star
#

Haha nice

#

I got the first title and that was enough for me for now

mint coral
#

Is pretty much a "I don't have anything else to use this for" thing

somber star
#

Don't even have my last mirror upgrade maxed

#

Yeah

#

I think I'm at like 18k total darkness

#

But I guess I could see once you run out of bounties to get with heat the darkness from bosses accumulating pretty quick

rustic vale
#

Are you using both sides of it?

rustic vale
somber star
#

Oh yeah, definitely not

#

I settled on the mirror upgrades I liked and stuck with it

rustic vale
#

A good portion of that darkness is from at least 30 darkness specific farming runs

somber star
#

I did one run where I did opposite my regular mirror upgrades to get the prophecy but I respecced

#

Hmm, interesting

rustic vale
#

going out of my way to get darkness boosting boons from chaos etc

somber star
#

Yeah

rustic vale
#

I have 250 escapes completed atm and I’m far off-ish

somber star
#

Well I'm going to wait for hades II to be 1.0 before I play so I might just get there haha

#

Doubt it though

jagged hamlet
#

Imagine if SGG was an evil studio! We'd have to get max rank for some dumb achievement!

steep star
#

fresh save is doing pretty well, on run 6 I cleared Asphodel and then I got a life drain hammer that carried me through to one shot Elysium, then I finally died to poison on the second to last chamber because F poison

rustic vale
jagged hamlet
#

Why not both 😈

sonic quartz
#

when you unlock heat in hades 1, there is no additional content you have to clear after you defeat hades right?

mint coral
#

you can reach credits w/o increasing the heat

somber star
#

Might have just ruined my chances of getting a new heat pb but at least I beat charon

#

Cause I have 45 seconds to beat theseus and asterius now bouldy

mint coral
#

lmao

#

how much hp and dds you have left

somber star
#

2 dds and like 30 hp haha

mint coral
#

what's your max hp

somber star
#

185

rustic vale
#

You’ve got loads of time

mint coral
#

you can prob leave on 1 dd

#

just gotta play more aggro

somber star
#

Yeah I guess we'll see

#

Usually heroes is my longest boss fight by a mile

#

Maybe my strat is bad?

#

I usually try and kill asterius first and then theseus is pretty easy

rustic vale
#

Might be strat, might be build, might be mechanical gameplay, likely possibly all 3

somber star
#

Probably just a skill issue

#

My build is amazing

rustic vale
somber star
#

I suppose that's fair

rustic vale
somber star
#

One of the things I've been trying to work on as I've climbed heats is getting better and not just button mashing and actually processing what's going on

#

So mechanical skill issue

#

That's fair

#

I'll screenshot it just in case I die

#

(Probable)

#

I actually probably won't since that would take precious seconds haha

rustic vale
#

When i’m not running extreme measures 3 cuz then theseus goes down first since Asterius never stops beyblading

somber star
#

Yeah I'm on em3

rustic vale
#

Em3 on what aspect/weapon

rustic vale
somber star
#

Zeus shield

rustic vale
#

Love it

somber star
#

Ironically with no zeus boons haha

rustic vale
#

I can count the amount of builds that would make me not think this may be a build issue on half a hand

somber star
#

They were just never offered bouldy

limpid ocean
jagged hamlet
#

But but but Zeus keepsake

somber star
#

True

#

But I'm trying to get all 3 star keepsakes

#

For the achievement

rustic vale
somber star
#

16

#

So fairly low

#

I'll just go ahead and give it my best shot, definitely expecting failure

jagged hamlet
#

That seems very reasonable

rustic vale
#

Seeing the build and the pact will really show what’s going wrong afterwards tbh tizomg

somber star
#

The progression of Theseus's dialogue about zag creating a rift between him and Asterius is pretty funny

mint coral
#

It gets better

somber star
#

I somehow managed to do it lfg

#

45 hp and 0 dd going into styx though

mint coral
#

pray for kiss of styx

#

gotta use the discount for smth dusa

somber star
#

True haha

#

Did find one kiss so far

#

Noooo

#

I got caught in his beam coming out of ares call

#

He had just a few hp left

#

Can't post my build here I guess

#

One day I'll beat 16 heat

mint coral
#

send on another discord and copy the img link

jagged hamlet
#

I like to DM bots to upload my screenshots to Discord's servers

somber star
#

Oh nvm

#

I thought for sure it would be allowed there bouldy

jagged hamlet
#

None of us have direct upload permissions except in the Victory channels zagsad

mint coral
#

yikes

somber star
#

If I had remembered to use battie I could've won :/

mint coral
#

double ouch

jagged hamlet
#

Oh my word. I've not seen such a scattershot build in a long time

rustic vale
somber star
#

So I'm guessing I did not, in fact, have a good build

rustic vale
#

I fear for what your other builds look like if this is great

somber star
#

Rip

#

Idk I just thought it was fun

#

That's been enough to get me through the earlier heats

rustic vale
#

And that’s always a good idea

#

It’s just that some builds take the “fun” from “functional” and forget the rest of the word

somber star
#

That's fair haha

#

Idk it was pretty functional when I dodged attacks correctly

jagged hamlet
#

Fantastic turn of phrase

somber star
#

But maybe my idea of functional is off

rustic vale
somber star
#

But I killed charon faster than I ever had before

#

Yeah that's fair

jagged hamlet
#

I guess the point is that (ignoring your going out of your way to level keepsakes), the build is really far from optimal

#

The poor Zeus special had nothing going for it LOL

dense parcel
#

I just had to go through all of the chambers in styx just to get the sack for cerberus

somber star
jagged hamlet
#

Except for the arrow dispenser, yes yes

rustic vale
#

Support fire is one of the boons ever

somber star
#

When I got the special spinning right the arrows cleared rooms crazy fast

rustic vale
#

that’s… something I can say

#

If you think support fire goes crazy on zeus shield wait until you see literally any flat damage zeus^2 tizomg

somber star
#

Aside from my clear lack of buildcrafting, how was my pact?

rustic vale
#

Is that underworld customs at 16 heat

somber star
#

Yeah

rustic vale
#

Honestly not a bad pact

#

Underworld customs is fine as long as you’re budgeting for it

reef zodiac
#

I wouldn’t use DC1

somber star
#

Idk I don't usually feel horrible after purging one boon

rustic vale
somber star
#

(Probably partially because of bad buildcrafting but)

somber star
rustic vale
#

I’m just surprised to see it this early

somber star
#

I've found Damage Control to hardly make a difference

rustic vale
#

DC is one of the pacts that scales really badly with more other heats

somber star
#

Yeah I could see that

rustic vale
#

It’s fine on zeus because zeus shield is an aspect where a lot of hits are being dispensed anyways, but it’s kinda bad for the same reason as calesthenics program and jury summons

reef zodiac
somber star
#

That's fair

#

Should I swap it for something like hard labor or lasting consequences

reef zodiac
#

I would add one of those yeah

rustic vale
#

Damage control, calisthenics program & jury summons al have the issue of; Enemies live for longer so they have more chances to kill you and every room just takes longer so your run is more of a draggg.

jagged hamlet
#

Fatigue is real

somber star
#

Yeah which hurts td as well

rustic vale
#

damage control is managable on some aspects but it still hurts

reef zodiac
#

DC is the most aspect dependent pact in the game

rustic vale
#

Being able to take out enemies in oneshot is huge

somber star
#

Really?

rustic vale
#

yeah

#

immediately shuts them down

somber star
#

I don't think I've ever had a oneshot build haha

rustic vale
#

oneshot/twoshot, either way

somber star
#

Fair

rustic vale
#

Atp dc 1 doubles or 1.5* your ttk

#

holy abbreviations

somber star
#

lmao

reef zodiac
rustic vale
#

at that point damage control 1 doubles or 1.5* your time to kill -> time to clear

somber star
#

That's fair, dc 2 definitely seems to exacerbate the aspect issue as well

reef zodiac
#

I usually take DC0 or DC2, almost never DC1

rustic vale
#

I just haven’t turned dc on in like 100 runs

somber star
#

That's fair lmao

rustic vale
#

I’m often running 32 or 40 heat tizomg so it’s not necessary yet

somber star
#

I'm guessing I don't want to turn routine inspection on for a while

reef zodiac
#

I think the only time I took DC1 was my 52 heat Beowulf run

reef zodiac
rustic vale
#

~~I was not expecting a name I didn’t recognise to drop a “my 52 heat clear” on me and completely humble anything I was thinking

somber star
#

Yeah 52 heat is crazy

reef zodiac
#

I think the Hestia 60 heat runs use DC0 which is kinda crazy

rustic vale
#

It’s not crazy crazy but there aren’t that many Hades gamers who are at that point

somber star
#

Before I picked up the game again I thought 16 heat couldn't possible be very hard and here I am struggling

rustic vale
reef zodiac
jagged hamlet
#

Just need to pick cheesy, easy builds like Zeus^2 or Hestia for heats!

reef zodiac
#

My pb is 53 heat. And I did 54 with the speedrun modpack

rustic vale
#

Or the overlap time wasn’t long

reef zodiac
rustic vale
jagged hamlet
#

Reddit moment zagsad

rustic vale
#

Bananas told me there is a cursed slash advocate of that nature

#

With 50 heat clears with arthur cursed slash

jagged hamlet
#

Halp I'm scared

rustic vale
#

Cursed

#

Cursed

jagged hamlet
#

Understatement

rustic vale
#

anyways it’s like telling me to tell people to build gy spin builds because gy’s 60+ heat strat is spin to win

#

I’m not changing the sword hammer tierlist

reef zodiac
rustic vale
#

HL5 LC4 gy gaining it’s 1 hp per hit just to getwhacked for 60 bouldy

jagged hamlet
#

One must imagine Sisyphus happy

rustic vale
#

Sisyphus is happy

#

I’ve seen him

spring lotus
surreal fog
#

I freed Sisyphus from his contract this morning and he was happy to just stay and continue pushing Bouldy up the hill

I wonder if he could theoretically complete the task now since the contract is wrapped up?

latent moon
#

I doubt you remember me I didn't talk much back then but I remember seeing you around a lot

reef zodiac
#

And I specifically ran PStat and looked for snow burst

#

And this was on Beo with passion flare

#

However, it looks like I never found snow burst on my actual clear

reef zodiac
mint coral
#

oh yeah didn't say it but welcome back dusa

spring lotus
reef zodiac
#

Privileged status

spring lotus
#

Damn that's

#

New for high heat on beo, to me at least

#

Thanks btw

reef zodiac
#

Beo is really good for heat up to 50, then from 50-55 it’s still good, then it starts to fall off hard

#

Or so I recall

latent moon
#

Yeah it's something like that

jagged hamlet
#

What drags it down? Is it Approval Process? Underworld Customs?

latent moon
#

DC2 makes beo pretty cringe

#

And ri kinda just sucks all around lmao

reef zodiac
jagged hamlet
#

Thanks, both

reef zodiac
#

It’s 2 right?

latent moon
#

Yeah

reef zodiac
#

I don’t remember

latent moon
#

Well depends whether or not you take em4 or ap2

reef zodiac
#

Beo has by far the easiest EM4 fight out of any aspect

latent moon
#

Past 55 just sucks for everything tbf lmao

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Oh btw have you seen the 64 clears lmao

surreal fog
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I have to watch the 64 clears still

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surreal fog
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My beloved Zeus Shield zagluv

latent moon
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Dc1 isn't so bad on beo

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Because I hated AP2 and I was malding hard on EM4 Hades

latent moon
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Mood

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latent moon
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Yeah fair

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I haven't gone past 51 for beo bc I started to hate the iframe bug lmao

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Remind me

latent moon
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When casts are popping you don't have iframes

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Oh like during the charge?

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Why do I not remember this

latent moon
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During the dash

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Tbf I was using cshot

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Which is inherently less safe

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But I needed time and come from speedrunning lmao

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Ohh yeah

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I do remember this

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That’s fair, I believe I also used CShot for my first 50 clear lol

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People told me not to use it and I definitely should have listened

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I think I believed that it wasn’t actually as detrimental as people claimed

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I think I actually seeded CShot

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Lmao

latent moon
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I did mine modded so hammers weren't bad

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But yeah cshot seems fine until em4 unless you have nuking damage

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I only played modded once, to do 54 heat with zag shield

latent moon
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I got 4 sacked on unmodded 50 then didn't go back to that lmao

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It did not run well on my laptop but I still found modded 54 to be about as hard as unmodded 50. Which I remember was a controversial take

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I have quit the game over 5-sacks probably more than once

latent moon
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Yeah i haven't even done 45 unmodded I just don't want to touch that anymore lmao

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Yeah that’s fair

latent moon
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I've been meaning to do 55 zag shield tho but I've been busy with school and now hades 2 lmfao

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I beat 51(?) and 53 zag shield first try but then I didn't get 55 within 3 for some bizarre reason so I stopped lmao

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Zag shield is really fun, too bad it takes me 30 minutes to get a run past c5 on my PS5 zaggrin

latent moon
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I also got sick of things hitting through block

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Lmao unfortunate

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I was doing EM3 RI0 AP0 50 heat attempts a while back

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with zag shield

latent moon
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Where'd the rest of the heat go lmao

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Cp2 dc2 and what else

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I don’t remember

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That is possible right

latent moon
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Don't think so

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Oh

latent moon
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Ri4 ap2 is 13 heat

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Then it was probably RI1

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It was hell mode for sure

latent moon
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Yeah 64-13 puts you at 51 with em4 lmao

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Hmm

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Ok I do not remember what I was running then

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Lol

latent moon
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Lmao it be like that

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It's been a while

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Also idk if you've heard but rama and guan Yu beat 64 modded

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By the same person

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That’s crazy