#h1-discussion

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plain dove
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Does Vulkan give it more fps

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Cuz i put it in #h1-tech-support but my steam deck is heating up too fast for this game

proven lichen
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I didn't see a difference in FPS, but also not in heating

brisk trail
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Is it worth giving more ambrosia to a character after I already got through their quest?

proven lichen
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Try toggling Vsync etc

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The general stuff in #h1-tech-fixes, especially the one about changing launch options

plain dove
plain dove
proven lichen
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And by toggling I just mean switching it the other way, either way can impact overall performance depending on other conditions

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If it's not performance per se but cooling exclusively that's the issue then probably it has something to do with your battery settings but that's a more general steam deck thing

plain dove
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Usually i just change games to 30fps

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But hades is the only game i have played on steam deck that does not let you change fps

latent moon
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sub530 since you dont have to deal with ap1

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and both of them you're already dealing with bp

clear egret
plain dove
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That made my screen flash black a bunch is that normal?

clear egret
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Locking the fps?

plain dove
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Ye

clear egret
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I haven't had that, but I can try to launch hades when I get home, don't have my steam deck with me right now

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Like 20 minutes

plain dove
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I ment when i set the lock at first the entire screen went black for like a second

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When hades wasn't open

clear egret
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Oh might be, been like 8 months since I did it, never changed it again

north pollen
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Oh my god Asterius with EM 3 is so ✨ fancy ✨

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I love it

pure dawn
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btw, how to get those cool ending borders or whatever they are called?

mint coral
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buy all work orders from the contractor

pure dawn
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oh no

jagged hamlet
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Oh yes 👀

worldly mason
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bro "The Unseen Ones" ost is so amazing ngl

mint coral
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so true

north pollen
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Rama is so satisfying to use

limpid ocean
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dionysus rama spam is so much fun

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concentrated volley go brr

latent moon
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rama can't get concentrated volley

plain dove
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Friends talked it over with me and it getting hot is 100000% normal

limpid ocean
latent moon
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relentless

limpid ocean
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Oh

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Had my names mixed up

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Is lightning reflexes ever worth it?

latent moon
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it's an easy way to proc jolted

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but other than that it's kinda whatever

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ruins fiery presence if your aspect cares about that

stone rune
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free flat damage

opal hemlock
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how often does charon's little fight happen

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i feel like i got it once, died and ive never seen it again

stone rune
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which has a 22% chance of appearing in each midshop

limpid ocean
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Thunder dash vs lightning reflexes?

upper wolf
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the main draw of lightning reflexes is that it lets you use another dash as well

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mostly divine or tidal

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if you don't plan/care about using another dash... Honestly I would still put lightning reflexes above thunder dash, but I don't know

mint coral
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Lightning reflexes it really is just better thunder dash lol

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Just bc it frees the dash slot

limpid ocean
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But that one is harder to get it to go off, no?

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Reason I'm asking is because I cleared a run with zeus dash last night, felt like it kinda carried me and I had always thought zeus dash was one of the weakest ones

mint coral
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Reflexes window is kinda big

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Maybe proccing it on purpose is harder but you can make it go off just by playing as usual pretty often

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Also thunder dash on sword makes the dash strikes sticky

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Harder to change direction

autumn rose
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can u not get mirage shot w thunder flare

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nvm

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disregard

mint coral
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Get dyno'd

limpid ocean
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Which I still kinda suck with

mint coral
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Yeah I saw

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That's why I mentioned the sword thing

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Akso why RI1 bouldy

limpid ocean
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I kept getting screwed over with either hard labor or jury summons turned up in elysium so I needed something to put on instead

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Those shielded dudes are so annoying for sword

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And take forever

mint coral
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Ah no LC4

limpid ocean
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At least with this one I could just dash around and let jolted do work

upper wolf
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I'd rather take AP1 and reset for double-edge. RI1 is rough.

autumn rose
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it did feel like nothing was different lol

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i wanted to have it and double strike to see comical amounts of bolts for meme

mint coral
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It has 0 cast dmg and the number shown is from the lightning bolt that it summons

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So mirage just creates a 0 dmg cast and it doesn't proc the bolt

proven lichen
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I don't mean this as a brag at all, genuinely a comment, but Hades is one of the few rougelikes in which I actually feel like I'm getting better? Like, genuinely

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0 heat became trivial real quick, then 10 heat was hard just cause I wasn't used to it, but then also became trivial. Then 20 heat was super hard cause of FO2. Now I'm used to that, 32 heat feels pretty trivial too.

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Like, this sort of thing just didn't happen with Enter the Gungeon or Spelunky.

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Which I guess might be a skill issue or whatever, but I think it's a matter of the design of Hades allowing for this gradual ramp-up

proper tusk
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yeah agreed

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obv the mirror facilitates that a lot early game but even after that

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compared to like

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necrodancer

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or nuclear throne

proven lichen
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True, I can imagine I'll be crying once I start putting on RI levels

proper tusk
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it doesn’t seem that bad tbh until you start getting to no dash/no death defiance

proven lichen
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It doesn't seem that bad on the surface but even RI1 means losing Dark Foresight which is one of the strongest mirrors

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You may not actively notice it but that plus no rerolls will make every run quite a bit worse overall

mint coral
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Ri1 kills a lot of consistency yeah

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Also no pride

latent moon
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Ri homophobic confirmed

upper wolf
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I never played Spelunky, but it seems like the kind of game where winning a run is not meant to be easy, no matter what

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Hades is a lot less punishing

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You can mess up a bit and catch your breath later. Spelunky is like... You mess up once or twice, you're done for

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Somewhat similar with Slay the Spire. The game is hard to trivialize.

mint coral
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Hades is so comfy once you get the mirror/keepsakes rolling

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(and codex upgrade)

upper wolf
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Whereas binding of Isaac is something you can easily get more than 99% winrate on most runs (not talking about tainted lost and such)

plain dove
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Playing on my steam deck is so weird im not used to my damage reduction being so low PE_PandaCryFill

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Its only at 26% rn

upper wolf
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That just means you can die faster to achieve a better reduction zaggrin

limpid ocean
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What is fountain finder award? Just got it

mint coral
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find the 3 fountains in a run iirc

limpid ocean
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oh I always thought that automatically happened lol

mint coral
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lmfao I wish

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modded wouldn't have the fountain indicator

stone rune
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can you guys manifest a sub5 unmodded for me

limpid ocean
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I just lost a run to the pink ball mid boss in elysium

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I'm in pure disbelief

plain dove
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When i tried the game on my PlayStation i killed zag like 20 times just for good reduction

keen mortar
proven lichen
stone rune
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unless ur at 7 bajillion heat the bball fight is over in like 4 seconds

keen mortar
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if your controller disconnects or something for the first minute (suspend your disbelief that I don't die) it's the hardest fight in the world

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but usually it's over in 10 seconds unless the build is already trash

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i struggle with it when playing shield sometimes

grave harness
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Hi, new discord member here! What house renovations do you guys usually pick up first? I'm having trouble deciding

proven lichen
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for work orders, most any order is fine, just priotize the upgrades that add temporary effects to permanent resources (when you eventually have those as an option, they're relatively lategame)

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eventually permanent resources will be less and less valuable so it'll be better to get an effect that benefits your current run at least a bit

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oh, also pick up the rod of fishing when it becomes available, the explanation is a bit vague on the screen but it's farily valuable for resource collection and is also helpful for semi-spoiler reasons

latent moon
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also at high heat sometimes you dont have that nuking power even with meg

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i've had like a couple spawn in pretty consistently on zag shield, rama, and zeus

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and depending on what weapon they pick up it could get a lot worse

autumn rose
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rama? dusa

latent moon
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butterfly hit stun pain

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and bad 2nd hammer so it doesnt get 1 shot

grave harness
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God I haaaate those stupid butterfly balls

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Stupid scratch damage

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Oh btw what's the policy on ending spoilers in here?

latent moon
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this channel is fine

quiet merlin
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Is it possible to do a run without ever getting Pomegranates or any other food? Does anything different happen in the end if you do?

latent moon
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it's possible considering boonless runs work lmao

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idk if there's one specifically for no poms but having boons tho

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but there is dialogue for boonless

quiet merlin
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When Hades was informed of Zeus' command to return Persephone, he complied with the request, but he first tricked her into eating pomegranate seeds.[g] Hermes was sent to retrieve Persephone but, because she had tasted the food of the underworld, she was obliged to spend a third of each year (the winter months) there, and the remaining part of the year with the gods above.[47] With the later writers Ovid and Hyginus, Persephone's time in the underworld becomes half the year.[48] It was explained to Demeter, her mother, that she would be released, so long as she did not taste the food of the underworld, as that was an Ancient Greek example of a taboo.

proven lichen
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so I'm not sure how far you've gotten in the story

quiet merlin
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I've beaten one run

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definitely had food during it

proven lichen
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right, so the explanation for this is pretty spoilery

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long story short, this game's canon is not "greek mytho canon" exactly, that's all I'll say

quiet merlin
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ok

proven lichen
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but there is an explanation, and no there is no special scenario for no food

quiet merlin
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that's a bit disappointing, tbh

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oh well

autumn rose
grave harness
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Zagreus gets the the surface and is like "momther do you have sustenance I haven't eaten this entire run"

jagged hamlet
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Crumbs of fries and gyro falling from his mouth

limpid ocean
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So what's the Arthur strat? % gods? Get as many chaos bonuses as possible?

stone rune
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play a better aspect

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best arthur strat

proven lichen
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shadow slash too if you can get it

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chaos bonuses of course good, they always are

stone rune
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the best hammer is dedge

proven lichen
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well yes of course

stone rune
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and shadow slash is not useful

proven lichen
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oh wait yeah you're right, it doesn't apply to dstrike

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I swear I thought it did but yeah the wiki confirms it

limpid ocean
proven lichen
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Double-Edge

stone rune
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double edge

limpid ocean
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Oh yeah

stone rune
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if you hold attack arthur will automatically dash strike when you dash

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but if you try to manually attack each time you will start doing standing strikes because of the way it tries to buffer actions

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so hold attack and press dash

limpid ocean
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But you cant spam dstrike like you can with nemesis iirc?

jagged hamlet
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Oh no oh no jazz is giving advice about Arthur

stone rune
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the best advice for arthur is to not use it

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but if you have to then

limpid ocean
jagged hamlet
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Who are you, and what have you done with jazz?

limpid ocean
serene citrus
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||I killed Hades on GOD MODE||, Should I get all Keepsakes and 100% it? Before playing Normal Mode

latent moon
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why'd you ask the same question in 3 different channels lmao

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in which one of them was a spoiler and the other wasn't really relevant lmao

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but it honestly doesnt matter when you switch to normal mode

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the gameplay is the same it's just damage reduction

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if you feel like you can do normal mode then go for it, otherwise you can just keep playing it

steep condor
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you can also turn god mode on and off however you like

serene citrus
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ok thanks yea

limpid ocean
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With Arthur how should I be distributing heat across hard labor / jury summons?

upper wolf
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max hard labor, min jury summons

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jury summons is awful

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you're gonna get hit a lot more by having 3 metric tons of enemies coming at you than by each enemy dealing more damage

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jury summons (and calisthenic program) are noob traps. They are way worse than they seem

north pollen
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Also the trap one for people who aren’t good at dodging yet

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Asphodel becomes horrible if you get choice bad encounters

upper wolf
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Hs is not thaaat baaad

north pollen
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Cause from experience, a new player going into the Witches Circle is gonna 9 times out of 10 going straight into a lava bath

mint coral
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Worst part of HS is finding about that dad's pots are also trap

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Or the embarrassment of eating a 100 dmg slow ely arrow

lavish sorrel
north pollen
fervent radish
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Can get some nasty combos

grave harness
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That moment when you finish your first run with the gun and then the game crashes and erases all your progress

vapid tapir
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good to know i guess

upper wolf
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Well, that's why they're noob traps :p

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I think my first pact was HS

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It's free heat ! Just don't step on traps !

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But then I mostly went for EM, BP, MM and FO to better learn the mechanics

vapid tapir
upper wolf
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True

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Same for lasting consequences

vapid tapir
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i havent went above 4 heat yet because i didnt play the game that much but extreme measures is the most fun pact

proper tusk
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what if you wanted to take 5 chaos gates

upper wolf
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Also same for AP2, just roll the right boons ez

void vigil
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my first was CF because i never bought anything

mint coral
void vigil
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i now understand the error of my ways

proper tusk
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oh good point

upper wolf
mint coral
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Or if you somehow routed that many lights of ixion go for egg

upper wolf
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True. You don't need god keepsakes since you can just roll the right boons on epic anyway

vapid tapir
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im looking at the wiki right now and i dont think ive ever seen personal liability ? i might misremember but the lowest pact was tight deadline ?

void vigil
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its hell mode only

mint coral
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Hell mode exclusive

vapid tapir
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Ohhhhhh

upper wolf
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For some reason

vapid tapir
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so you cant have max heat on a non hell mode savefile damn

upper wolf
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Yeah

void vigil
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i mean, its max heat for a non hell mode save

upper wolf
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That's why someone got a 63 clear lol

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Without proccing the bubble that PL removes

void vigil
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PL is free 😎 until its not

upper wolf
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So technical 64 heat

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Indeed

mint coral
upper wolf
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Ely ? I'm getting bubbled by tart armored witches already

void vigil
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how it feels to play guan yu with high confidence

upper wolf
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Good ol' cloner seeker

fervent radish
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all of the pacts are free, just clear duh

forest summit
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I wish I had some friends who were into Hades as much as me lol

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It'd be fun to do some casual vs runs with them

vapid tapir
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i wish hades had local coop so i could make my friends play it without them having to get the game and play it at their own pace 😌

forest summit
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Oooh, that'd be rly rly fun.

vapid tapir
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hope hades 2 has something like that

mint coral
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Confirmed single player already

vapid tapir
forest summit
vapid tapir
forest summit
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mhm. oh i see!

vapid tapir
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but thanks !

void vigil
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It’s nene kusanagi from project sekai

vapid tapir
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finally i unlocked the last hidden aspect 🎉

upper wolf
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GG

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Hopefully it wasn't gilga zaglol

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though even gilga is hype for the first run or so

grave harness
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I thought gilga was the meme aspect that looked silly but did loads of damage

upper wolf
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nah

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gilga has like

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mid damage

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and very risky

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maybe you're thinking of Beowulf ?

grave harness
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Gilga is catboy Zagreus, right?

upper wolf
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I think it's a bear

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idk

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Enkidu was associated to wolves I think ?

vapid tapir
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didnt play with it yet

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and also i like gilga a lot especially with merciful end

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idk if its any good because i have yet to play on actually decent heat

upper wolf
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It's the best build yeah

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but still, gilga is so sad before ME

safe talon
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when Hades II is out? just kidding
but when? :3

mint coral
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now

pure dawn
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Sacrificed my 5 streak just to prove meg wrong

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at least i did it

fringe dust
# upper wolf but still, gilga is so sad before ME

it has really strong standing strikes, as long as you dont waste fiery presence on dash strikes its quite strong. i would argue its the second strongest fist its just got a really high skill ceiling to manage all its animation jank

onyx linden
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Anyone happen to know the exact camera angle used to render the character sprites? I was wanna try and make a mod

gray apex
onyx linden
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Ah ok thanks

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Time to...leave a random discord server because im in 100 of them

gray apex
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There was an old mod that tried to change the sprites maybe theres some discussions around that. In general they know their way around the files and have some knowledge about the engine

onyx linden
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Being a game modder with adhd is annoying i join so many modding discord servers then forget about them after i do what i wanted or give up because its to hard

steep condor
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being anything with adhd is annoying because of the reasons you just said

wary iron
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adhd is annoying

steep condor
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yes. it's like, neurotypical people think we're annoying, but they have no idea what it's like having to listen to our brains all the time

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in other news, i just made it to dad's second phase on heat 50 despite being drunk and depressed and i'm counting this as a win

onyx linden
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Task paralysis yipee

fervent radish
steep condor
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still hestia lol

sullen kettle
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hestia is so good

fading locust
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Hi! Does anyone know why Hades with the soundtrack is cheaper than base-game Hades on the Philippine Epic Games Store?

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Am I misunderstanding this? Is this just the soundtrack?

latent moon
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might be a special deal idk

fading locust
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Might be, but it's appropriately priced on Steam

latent moon
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idk for US epic games store it's normal

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maybe send a screenshot?

fading locust
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Yeah so maybe it's a pricing thing

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I was trying to but um

latent moon
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use image link

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or upload to imgur first

fading locust
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oh okay

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oh

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well

latent moon
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damn

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not the dyno bot

fading locust
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i'll wait a minute

latent moon
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wait a minute before sending it i guess lmao

fading locust
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there

latent moon
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huh

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idk lmao

fading locust
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it's normal on steam

latent moon
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yeah idk what's going on there

upper wolf
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you're on the right-hand end, along with maybe ananke ? idk much other good fists main

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But for us common people, gilga ain't it, that's sure

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also it sounds like "if you spend 5 years in isolation in a temple under the ruins of Uruk, practicing the way of the claw every day and only drinking water and eating the moss on the walls, then you can get Gilgamesh aspect to be only slightly worse than a casual player using demeter aspect !"

proven lichen
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What's the highest amount of casts you've ever had?

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I've had 5 once with Infernal Soul

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But the one that was really insane was the times I had 3 casts with Stygian Soul and Fully Loaded

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I had that setup two times, once with Ice Wine and once with Curse of Drowning

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Both of them were seriously powerful

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Spamming Ice Wine with Achilles is really fun

stone rune
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i think ive had 9

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definitely had 8

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after a certain point though id much rather have a bit of additive

void vigil
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Artemis’ legendary used to be a normal boon that scaled, so it was easy to get 3 more casts or so just from that

north pollen
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Is the chance for all Well of Charon items to appear the same? I’ve done 4 full runs with Stubborn Defiance and haven’t seen Kiss of Styx ever

stone rune
north pollen
stone rune
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sd is touch of styx

north pollen
stone rune
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should be 1/5 to see touch of styx

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since hteres only life essence eye of lamia hydralite centaur soul and touch of stydx

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oh and pirce of midas

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1/6

keen mortar
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Lmao i was aiming for a mirage shot beo run, but got tidal dash instead of flood flare and sea storm with epic jolted which carried the run

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artemis gave me cast and just never appeared again

fringe dust
tepid light
proud pilot
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I have a question
do I need to invest 5 titans blood for each bow aspect for Artemis's code or do I need 5 titans blood for one of them for Rama's bow code?

winter gyro
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ahhh when is this game gonna come on sale :(

upper wolf
proud pilot
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but i have max lvl chiron for some time yes i still hasn't gotten it

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i have 7 escapes with it

north pollen
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A couple days ago

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Not anymore though

mint coral
winter gyro
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Nooooo

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i cant buy it now rip

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i just had enough money to buy it because of sale

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😭

north pollen
hybrid hedge
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how do i build for hidden sword aspect

north pollen
mint coral
hybrid hedge
mint coral
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Add zeus call for their duo and any other zeus boon that buffs bolts

hybrid hedge
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hestia also aphro?

tepid light
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smoldering air, REEEEEEEEE

hybrid hedge
tepid light
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get it away from me

mint coral
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Auto charges call, caps at 25%

mint coral
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By the time you'd get a full call the boss is dead bouldy

tepid light
mint coral
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Also you have actual hammers

proud pilot
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@mint coral no why?

mint coral
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(and just to clarify, revealed means you can buy the aspect, you don't need to use blood on it)

proud pilot
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wdym?

mint coral
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You need to have the hidden spear available to buy

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Is supposed to be like a "tutorial" to hidden aspects so its requirements are way different

proud pilot
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but i have 5 aspects and i dont have the Achilles spear

mint coral
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Wonders of rng then

proud pilot
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i have nemasis,Achilles,zeus,chiron and hestia

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i have the for some time

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you need them max?

mint coral
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No

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Doubt you haven't but you have reached the final boss right

proud pilot
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yes

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iv beaten hades like 15 times

mint coral
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And you have the list of minor prophecies

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No yeah I think rng just hates you

proud pilot
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i dont have a dialog with him

mint coral
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Have your wins been pretty much in a row?

proud pilot
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yes

mint coral
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Aight makes more sense

proud pilot
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and i bought the 5 aspect 3 runs ago

mint coral
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So the way the dialogue works is that it pulls from a list and some have more priority than others

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With main story being the highest to keep the flow

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So if you just keep advancing others dialogue will take a while to appear

mint coral
proud pilot
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last run i got the posidon fish boon

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how do you know so mach?

mint coral
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By playing a lot bouldy

proud pilot
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how meny hours do you have?

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i just want the bow of rama

mint coral
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I wanna say 850+?

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But a lot of hours counted on the switch have been afk

mint coral
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Turn off the mirror, use the heat to make enemies hit harder/traps dmg increase and die on the first few chambers

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So you can go through achilles dialogue faster

proud pilot
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how do you turn the mirror of?

mint coral
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Then do the same but with arty keeosake so you can talk to her c1

proud pilot
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reset?

mint coral
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Yeah

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Can also use routine inspection if you have that pact unlocked

proud pilot
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what is that?

mint coral
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Disables mirror pact -3 skills per lvl from bottom to top

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It appears when you unlock all of the mirror

proud pilot
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ho right

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so after each run i die i do to Achilles and speak with him right?

mint coral
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Pretty much

proud pilot
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do i need to buy the hidden spear or just reveal

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it

mint coral
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Just reveal

proud pilot
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i got the spear

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now im gonna do the same thing for the bow

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ty

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i got the bow

mint coral
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Sometimes dying is the answer

upper wolf
pure dawn
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for some random reason, i cant beat the game once with the sword. I beat with the shield, easily. But i just cant for some reason with the sword

mint coral
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Sword stinky

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Also block is busted

wary iron
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ME yelling from the distance

pure dawn
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Aspect of hera bow seems like its gonna be my fav

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i 3 arrowed meg. damn

upper wolf
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average hera run

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use crush shot btw

pure dawn
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what is that?

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oh, aphrodite cast, i got the wine god one

upper wolf
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it's also good

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but aphro is overall better

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because it lodges, mainly

limpid ocean
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fiery or shadow presence for arthur? Both seem beneficial

pure dawn
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Bow is too op 💀

limpid ocean
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got shadow slash, deadly reversal, heart rend, purple art attack level 2 on arthur. Just killed an elysium dude for 4230 damage

limpid ocean
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well, that run cleared so I'm done with arthur now. Gonna try to 32 gilgamesh next lul

upper token
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is this game available on android version?

void vigil
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nope, just ios through netflix

upper token
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through netflix???

#

please, can you elaborate?

pure dawn
#

Yeah, with the right subscription you can actually get to play a variety of games on mobile.

upper token
#

but whatever, what a waste if i have to pay monthly for the game i want rather than 1 time purchase which is cheaper than 2 yrs of subcription

gray dust
#

Knowing that mobile Hades exists and will only exist as an iOS exclusive and Netflix exclusive at the same time kinds ruined my day 🫠

wary iron
#

better than nothing imo

gray dust
#

Now a normal version will never exist

wary iron
#

well sgg got money

#

so i'm happy

gray dust
# wary iron well sgg got money

I guess, yeah. It's just that I am an android user without a Netflix subscription, so I won't get to enjoy this in any way, shape or form

wary iron
#

dw you aren't missing much 😭

gray dust
#

I've kinda been hoping a mobile version would release eventually

gray dust
#

Bruh autocorrect

wary iron
#

it's a lot worse to play with touch controls

#

like harder

gray dust
wary iron
#

either you destroy your phone or you have 0 iframes

gray dust
wary iron
#

trust me you aren't 😭

#

like if you hook up a controller

#

you just have a lot less performance

#
  • you need to carry that around too
gray dust
wary iron
#

exactly

proper tusk
#

its a pc game lol

#

the fact that there’s a mobile port at all is a miracle

wary iron
#

and it's just laggier damage vibrations are missing and touch controls are hard to use

gray dust
proper tusk
#

don’t worry about it too much

wary iron
#

like they did the best they could

#

but there isn't much they can do

#

when you need to do 3 inputs almost simultaneously with one finger

gray dust
#

I wish someone who isn't Netflix had paid them to do this

wary iron
#

even then, you'd be better off playing pc/console

proper tusk
gray dust
wary iron
#

and as it is, it's pretty much free money for sgg

proper tusk
#

then whats the issue

#

its the exact same game with objectively worse controls

gray dust
wary iron
#

as a matter of fact they probably got more money this way than if they launched it like bastion bc i could imagine the sales would've been low but this way they got a good amount paid by netflix

gray dust
#

I know it couldn't have been any other way, I'm just a bit bummed out that it's the case

mystic lark
#

Holy sh, witches circle with athena on lucifer special is awesome

upper wolf
#

witches circle with athena is awesome

remote iris
#

which dio boon (i have the shield cool aspect)
epic trippy flare (140 dmg)
rare dio's aid (17 dmg per stack)
rare premium vintage (+25 max life (currently at 135))

mint coral
#

which cast mirror skill are you using

remote iris
#

which what now

mint coral
remote iris
#

ohhh

#

+2 casts

mint coral
#

did you just start the run?

remote iris
#

currently in asphodel

#

chamber 19

mint coral
#

oh bouldy

#

trippy flare can work but it will somewhat slow with the +2 casts

#

cuz you need to wait the 5 seconds for the casts to come back

#

normally for beo you start with flood flare, get arty atk (or whatever opens mirage shot) and then get the duo

#

is bugged on flares so the 2nd cast doesn't have reduced dmg

remote iris
#

oh

mint coral
#

do you have arte or pos in your pool anyways

#

or zeus

remote iris
#

no

#

i hardly have any boons actually

mint coral
#

are you using olympian favor (+rare boons)

remote iris
#

i think so

mint coral
#

you want to swap to its yellow side once you are back

#

is way better (boosts chances of seeing in run boosts, boons/poms/hp/coins/hammers)

limpid ocean
#

does hyper delivery combo work with bow dash strikes?

mint coral
limpid ocean
#

ty

#

another question: does rare crop work with common boons or do they have to be rare or higher?

mint coral
#

Works with common

#

It can't hit hermes tho

limpid ocean
#

imagine if it could though lol

remote iris
#

i suck at shield

upper wolf
#

tbh no cast by asphodel is giga hardmode for beowulf

vapid tapir
limpid ocean
#

playing chiron now and just got hyper delivery lol. it's weird

vapid tapir
limpid ocean
#

4/4 today with different aspects on 32 heat

limpid ocean
#

make that 5/5

limpid ocean
#

my streak ended with guan yu

#

tried to dash over the shockwave from the rock mid-boss in asphodel

upper wolf
#

You can dash. You can't dash-strike

mint coral
#

they prob mistimed the dash

upper wolf
#

Also possible

#

The shockwave is really tricky

grave harness
#

Hey, question? How do I get the last two of the Wardens for the Wanton Ransacking Prophecy?

#

Cause it's been several runs and I haven't gotten to them, are they in Styx or something and I haven't got to them yet?

upper wolf
#

I think so yeah

#

there are like 5 miniboss in styx or something like that

#

big rat, big satyr, small rat, big pot, big snakestone

mint coral
#

tony doesn't count for that prophecy iirc

old bluff
#

yeah, also middle management voidstone counts

grave harness
#

Oooh might be the big rat and the big pot I'm missing then

#

Thanks

grave harness
mint coral
#

tiny vermin

#

named tony cuz Cgull (speedrunner) typo'd its name once

#

big rat is anthony

grave harness
#

Makes sense

#

Oh yeah I also just did my first run with attack and move speed turned up

#

No wonder that's 3 heat, I would've died in elysium if I hadn't run into Patroclus

upper wolf
#

it do be like that

mint coral
#

soon enough it'll feel weirder to turn it off

upper wolf
#

it also do be like that

#

I can't even remember the last time I didn't have FO2

#

probably when I did my second save

#

even then I imagine I put FO2 right after my first clear

#

One day I might be bothered enough to check in the archives of that file

proven lichen
#

Is there a good place showing all the boons all at once?

#

I'm trying to find the ordering of the percent based gods and their pommability which is a lot of info I want to compare all at once

mint coral
#

oh wait it doesn't have pom scaling

proven lichen
#

This game got me thinking stuff like "man ares kinda mid" and he was at one point the actual God of War of an actual religion lmao

#

is it more blasphemous to think he's kinda mid or that he's kinda hot

latent moon
#

idk ares is def kinda mid overall lmao

#

and him being hot is a preference thing but also a pretty common opinion iirc lmfao

proven lichen
#

no I meant like blasphemous to the ancient Greeks

#

tho they were pretty gay so like I guess it's a wash

latent moon
#

oh yeah lmao

#

i guess it'd be more blasphemous to call ares mid

remote iris
#

i thought i had image perms here

#

i made a meme for nothing

mint coral
#

send to another server and copy img link

#

or use imgur/tumblr/etc

remote iris
#

how do i copy image link

#

(im on mobile)

mint coral
#

right click/on mobile click the image, 3 dots then share

remote iris
#

there we go

mint coral
#

different thing but the server I was using to send vids here died the other day and I think it killed all of my recordings I posted here

#

lmao

stone rune
#

i have my own server specifically for that purpose

#

lol

mint coral
#

it was a server with friends so we dunno what happened lmao

#

I looked at my server list and then noticed it was gone

proven lichen
#

sidenote does anyone have problems with being bad at fishing? Like fr tho

remote iris
proven lichen
#

The only two fish I have left to fill out my codex is common surface (trout) and common chaos (mati)

#

I've gotten so used to the rare timing that I actually cannot manage common. It's either rare or too late

remote iris
#

best tip i can give you is 3 fake bobs means the next one is real

#

oh lol nvm

proven lichen
#

no I meant the other way lol yeah

mint coral
#

Give yourself input lag 🧠

rustic vale
#

And

#

Real bobs are always within like 0.5-1.5s of the last one whwre

#

fake bobs are longer

#

Iirc

#

Lemme double check those numbers

#

A rare catch means anything 0s-0.34s after bob

#

common is 0.35-0.67

junior verge
#

How does Rama's shared suffering work?

#

I mean do I have to use the Attack to do the shared damage, or can I just use Special?

stone rune
#

all enemies inflicted with shared suffering will take 60% of the attack damage you deal to any enemy

#

just using special would mean you get no benefit

junior verge
#

ah, ty

stone rune
#

and it would also suck

#

special only rama sucks

#

still better than chiron

pure dawn
#

i got a super strong run, but it was my 10th clear 😭 , i will not be able to fight father

mint coral
#

10th run claims another build

pure dawn
#

this song was so good

keen mortar
#

hades is the only game where I didn't even have the temptation to skip credits

remote iris
#

why does lambent plume have a time limit for the hades fight

inner hearth
#

for the bonus charon fight

#

hand gigaros over to that man and there really will be no escape

mint coral
#

Could be used as last chance to get the achievement in the run

remote iris
mint coral
#

Tho if you didn't get it earlier than dad I'll assume the build isn't strong enough anyways bouldy

inner hearth
#

or maybe the paddle is acc stronger than the spear

#

maybe hades is the one who needs a new weapon

remote iris
#

paddleros

cunning raft
#

hii shy

rugged nest
#

Is it better to focus on resources when you first start the game?

north pollen
#

I have gotten a marvelous Skelly statue (1 of 8)

#

(1 of 3)

#

Idk wher I got 8 from

#

I wish there were 8

void vigil
#

i dont 😨

#

heat climbing scary

limpid ocean
#

Ares and demeter are the two I typically don't care for

#

But at least ares enables merciful end builds

inner hearth
#

you can get an illegal amount of damage

#

but ye he can be p mid

mint coral
#

ares doesn't have a call tho

inner hearth
#

i-

lavish sorrel
#

ares call isn't real and can't hurt me 😌

rugged nest
#

Take it that's a no?

inner hearth
#

so if you dont have a certified fave weapon then just going with dark thirst for a while is valid

#

but if you have fated list of minor prophecies, you get a lot of stuff from that

#

the need for resources never gets absurdly grindy so dont worry if you just wanna focus on winning runs

rugged nest
#

I just started the game, so I've basically have the whole game to unlock. Haha

inner hearth
#

a fair enough

#

yeah dont stress over not having enough of anything

#

itll all come in time

#

just use a variety boons and upgrades and youll get rewarded eventually

mint coral
#

Yeah I'd focus more on just going far/learning fundamentals

#

At least for like newbie experience

#

I just rush through the mirror for the skills I want/aspects on replays

remote iris
#

I'm doing great in elysium right now

#

Soul ball miniboss right after trial of the gods

#

And both of those under Slothful

wary iron
#

is soul ball the extra large butterfly ball?

mint coral
#

Yeah

#

Or more like soul catcher is their actual name

plain dove
#

Question do the back buttons work in the game on steam deck

#

Like the 4 on the actual back not the bumpers

limpid ocean
#

does bouldy chamber get the oceans bounty boost?

mint coral
#

Doubt it wouldn't

void vigil
#

yes iirc

limpid ocean
#

robbed of a guan ya 32 run because i got 5th chamber sack 😦

#

build was doing so much damage too

pure dawn
#

lost to time?

limpid ocean
#

had heart rend, dio-art duo, art special, charged skewer, +~80% special damage chaos boon, dio call

limpid ocean
pure dawn
#

sad

limpid ocean
#

yeah but tbf it's been a LONG time since I had any run go 5th or 6th chamber

pure dawn
#

for me it has happend only once

#

getting lucky with the 2nd chamber sack

#

5 times in a row

#

but when i have to get a 2nd chamber sack, it will not happen and i will lose

limpid ocean
#

100% relatable lmao

#

if I turn down chamber 3 hammer to get chaos instead, how likely am I to still get a hammer soon after?

plain dove
#

Putting attack and gifts on the same button wont mess with stuff right? Like I won't hit Than giving him a gift and he'll get mad and leave right?

mint coral
mint coral
#

They comment on it at most

plain dove
#

Ok goooood

limpid ocean
#

yeah I took chaos, thanks

plain dove
#

I would have it on something else but the extra buttons on the back dont wont sadly

limpid ocean
#

ok, so if I take chaos that increases max life by 78, do I only get half of that?

mint coral
#

Yeah

limpid ocean
#

lame

#

last question for now: does lasting consequences affect guan yu spin healing?

mint coral
#

No

limpid ocean
#

ok that part is nice at least

mint coral
#

Any of the healing hammers work under LC

limpid ocean
#

but the healing is kinda ass

mint coral
#

And quick recovery

limpid ocean
#

I'm actually being offered that rn

#

took purple greatest reflex in tartarus, got purple tidal dash lv 2 so I'm doing dash spam

#

but also got offered purple hyper sprint which means I basically always have 30% damage reduction anyways?

#

also got a +80% coin thing from chaos in tartarus so I could pray for rush delivery in styx if I make it (although too much rng to bank on that)

mint coral
#

Just hit the 50/50

#

Or are you on cf2

limpid ocean
#

I forget which one cf2 is?

#

oh convenince fee yeah I have it maxed out

#

got charged skewer in elysium lfg

#

this build should be better than the last one

#

got the +42% aph thing too for max health so I can get more hp

latent moon
limpid ocean
#

wait really

latent moon
#

Yeah

limpid ocean
#

I thought only zeus did it

latent moon
#

Quick spin and massive spin

#

Well modded

#

But like it still happened lmao

#

Rama and guan Yu both have modded 64s

limpid ocean
#

modded as in speedrunner modpack?

fervent radish
#

yeah

#

and first boon epic

limpid ocean
#

I used all 3 remaining persuasions in styx for rush delivery but didn't get it, settled for +40% quick recovery instead

#

guan yu 32 done

#

not sure which one to do next

#

what's a fun but challenging aspect?

fervent radish
#

zeus?

limpid ocean
#

yeah but I'm trying to pick one I haven't already done 32 or higher on

fervent radish
#

hm

#

do zeus 40 then

limpid ocean
#

alerady did 44 on zeus, that's my career best for anything lol

fervent radish
#

ah fair enough

#

rama

limpid ocean
#

already did rama 40

#

wait nvm I apparently only have a hihg heat of 17 on beowulf lol

#

could've sworn I did at least 36 on it before

#

infernal or stygian for beo?

proven lichen
#

Internal normally, Stygian and Chaos for Trippy Shot, is what I normally go with

limpid ocean
#

yeah I like trippy too

#

thaanks

#

if chaos offers +73% cast damage boon, is that worth it over rerolling for +1 cast?

fervent radish
#

🤔

#

if you knew you were going to get +1 reroll, but odds are low so i say no

limpid ocean
#

I'm leaning no as well

fervent radish
#

you don't really need more damage with trippy tho

limpid ocean
#

it's beo on 32 heat so I'm thinking I should still be good

fervent radish
#

yeah

latent moon
#

take the +cast dmage

#

you never roll over that for +1 unless you're doing trippy i guess lmao

#

also at 73% it's gonna give more value than +1 cast damage wise anyways

fervent radish
#

He is doing trippy

raw herald
#

If its not a speedrun just take the cast damage and try to get a stone later

limpid ocean
#

yeah I just cleared tartarus

#

ended up with dio attack

fervent radish
#

Soup beo time

limpid ocean
#

if I somehow get blackout, does that work for trippy flare explosion damage or do they already have to be in it before they can take extra damage?

fervent radish
#

Applies after p sure

limpid ocean
#

nvm i purged dio attack

#

kept tidal for mirage shot chances

#

refreshing nectar + yarn in asphodel gave me deadly reversal offered in the shop

#

worth rerolling once for mirage shot? or take it and try to purge?

latent moon
#

i'd roll once yeah

limpid ocean
#

didn't get it rip

latent moon
#

also if you were to take it you wouldnt' want to purge it

limpid ocean
#

got pressure points though

latent moon
#

otherwise you just add it back into the duo pool

limpid ocean
#

lost to champions

#

just couldnt get mirage to come up, nor any prometheus stones, or any additional chaos chambers

keen mortar
#

does nectar/yarn affect duos at all

limpid ocean
#

absolutely

keen mortar
#

ah i see

#

could've just searched it lol

limpid ocean
#

thats ok

#

so charged shot on beo basically turns it into hera?

mint coral
mint coral
#

Also ignores shield

keen mortar
#

everything

#

but playstyle is similar probably

limpid ocean
#

Just beat fury sisters and the chamber rewards didnt spawn until like 10 seconds later

#

weird

limpid ocean
#

guess I'm gonna try and push zeus to a new career best until I get sick of it (or clear). Is routine inspection generally considered better to take over lasting consequences?

#

and/or jury summons?

upper wolf
#

there's almost no pact that is generally considered better to take over lasting consequences lmao

#

it's one of the earliest you max out

#

with Forced Overtime and Tight Deadline

limpid ocean
#

sorry I said LC but meant CP

#

I mixed them up

#

yeah I have LC maxed out usually or at least 50% on 32ish heat

mint coral
#

I'd take at least js2/cp1 before ri1

#

Dark foresight too good

limpid ocean
#

Im doing 47 heat rn so I got ri2, all the top several pacts maxed out, but no cp1

#

my 44 clear had cp1 but no ri

mint coral
#

I did ap2/ri0 for my latest 50

#

Hell mode tho which idk if you have access to

limpid ocean
#

i don't have it which stinks

#

I'm too lazy to take the time to level up a new save just for 1 heat

mint coral
#

Switch gaming?

#

Or modded

limpid ocean
#

does that pact make a big difference?

#

I'm pc

#

I can use mods though

mint coral
#

Modded allows the swap to hell mode

limpid ocean
#

only one I use though is hephiastos for ultrawide resolution

#

ok yeah I'll def try that then

#

can you turn the hell mode pact off or is it always on?

mint coral
#

Is on the speedrun modpack so you'll prob want to swap most of its features to vanilla if you don't want them

mint coral
mint coral
#

Cuz at some point you'll have the forced pacts on anyways

#

So enjoy the extra heat

limpid ocean
#

holy smokes took me 30 minutes but finally got a seed that gives zeus special and explosive return early

wary iron
#

thirty minutes is actually really good

#

or i'm just very unlucky

limpid ocean
#

yeah, mid 40s is the unfun zone for me lol

wary iron
#

oh you're doing high heat sorry mb

mint coral
#

If you have the speedrun modpack you can also toggle the quick reset thing

#

Hit certain buttons and zag commits die

true oak
#

Quick reset doesn't seem to work for me

#

I've enabled it but all it does is summon

mint coral
#

Have you check your keyboard doesn't have that thing where you can't press certain stuff together

true oak
#

Good point, I'll check

true oak
#

nope 🤷‍♂️

limpid ocean
#

on 47 heat and just got 50% hyper delivery comob followed by smoldering air (zeus call) back to back going into elysium boss. got 47 seconds. wish me luck

true oak
#

you'll smash them good luck

limpid ocean
#

I beat them with 8/195 left

#

WINNABLE RUN BOYS

fervent radish
#

gamer

#

zeus?

limpid ocean
#

downside is I'm out of rerolls and used my last battie on the boss

#

yeah

fervent radish
#

nice

limpid ocean
#

purging pool choices: rush delivery, zeus call, purple jolted

#

ugh

#

I'm thinking jolted and try to get it back in styx

mint coral
#

is it pommed

limpid ocean
#

no

mint coral
#

what rarity/also what gods in pool

limpid ocean
#

call is blue rush delivery is white

mint coral
#

rarity of jolted I mean

fervent radish
#

epic

mint coral
#

oh wait

#

lmao

limpid ocean
#

aph/zeus/posidon

fervent radish
#

ok zeus on zeus you never sell jolted

limpid ocean
#

I don't think I had a 4th god at any point

#

yeah but I got smoldering air + call

mint coral
#

I'd sell call tbh? aphro's not ideal but can get back zeus or pos

fervent radish
#

rush delivery kinda meh on zeus imo

limpid ocean
#

which makes this one a hard choice

latent moon
#

oh if this is aphro smair then yeah sell call

mint coral
#

zeus smair I think

fervent radish
#

yeah i'd sell call

latent moon
#

oh wait

fervent radish
#

either way tbh

#

sell rushy d

latent moon
#

yeah i'd sell call

#

rd is like

limpid ocean
#

ok thanks

#

yeah I realize how important jolted is

latent moon
#

you'd rather keep rd bc it's flat damage soup

fervent radish
#

ig

limpid ocean
#

one pom for jolted would be so good too

mint coral
#

buy any pom before going for more boons so you can try and pom jolted too

latent moon
#

if this isn't ap2 then getting a call back shouldn't be too bad

#

but yeah i'd rather have jolted and rd

limpid ocean
#

true, here goes nothing

mint coral
#

this is normal dad right

limpid ocean
#

yes

#

shop is 3 poms + hammer lol

#
  • heart
#

yeah there's a zeus tunnel with increased rarity and an aph, one ares, heart, increased money

fervent radish
#

take zeus

#

and then heart

latent moon
#

that's not miniboss tho

#

oh wait it is

#

ngl i'd do money first

#

get the pom onto jolted first

#

bc you'd have better odds without the call

#

and then zeus

limpid ocean
#

i started w zeus, I need the dps

#

I can try that 2nd though

#

high voltage / storm lightning / heavens vengenance

-_-

#

feelsbadman

mint coral
#

what even opened storm lightning

limpid ocean
#

zeus cast

fervent radish
#

rip

#

high volted i guess

limpid ocean
#

yeah call choices are ares or aph at this point

fervent radish
#

💀

#

that's rough

#

how much time

limpid ocean
#

3:39 rn

#

ares gives me iframes against dad but aph gives damage that can be comboed with hyper delivery

#

I think I have to go aph here

mint coral
#

I'd just go for money into hopefully jolted poms

limpid ocean
#

otherwise I'm not gonna have enough dps for dad

mint coral
#

aphro/ares aren't minibosses right

limpid ocean
#

zeus and money are minis

#

so yeah

mint coral
#

and unmodded still right

limpid ocean
#

yes

mint coral
#

I'd go money imo, just in case you get 3 sacked

#

depending on hp could still win

limpid ocean
#

oh you're saying jolted pom is the best chance at winning over salvaging a god call?

mint coral
#

ares call dps is sad

limpid ocean
#

money scares me if I get a miniboss I could have low time left

mint coral
#

aphro ig it increases a bit by letting you some free hits ig

limpid ocean
#

well yeah I'd be planning to go aph

mint coral
#

you have smair still

limpid ocean
#

yes

mint coral
#

what are your hammers anyway

limpid ocean
#

I'm going aph and praying

mint coral
#

ER and ?

limpid ocean
#

I don't have ER on this run

mint coral
#

ah

limpid ocean
#

got minotaur and I actually forget the other one

#

the other one is meh

#

oOH NVM

#

double hit attack

mint coral
#

what atk you have

limpid ocean
#

had my runs mixed up

#

aph

mint coral
#

probably enough? cope pom target if jolted doesn't show

#

shop has anvil right

#

if desperate just gamble for cshot

limpid ocean
#

wait yeah it does

#

eshot with hyper delivery won me my career best 44 run

fervent radish
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manifesting an anvil into ER

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🙏

limpid ocean
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live by the anvil, die by the anvil

mint coral
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how good is ER in boss fights

limpid ocean
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run winningly good for dps

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issue is it's mad risky being next to dad like that

fervent radish
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good dps if the normal special ticks hit

mint coral
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I always thought it's value was more for the rooms

limpid ocean
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got 288 money

mint coral
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but ig it makes sense

fervent radish
limpid ocean
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if i do aph tunnel, how much will i end up with? No money modifiers

fervent radish
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it's not super relevant for zeus on zeus

mint coral
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I'm gonna guess 300? assuming no gold pots

limpid ocean
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that can afford one pom at least

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wait nvm not if I do anvil

mint coral
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yeah anvil was more of a joke

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like I said I'd do money first anyways

limpid ocean
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yeah im going aph still, money after that if I don't get the sack

mint coral
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even w/o meg they are faster in average

limpid ocean
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oh

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ok then

mint coral
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tho you can get tony'd

limpid ocean
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I'll give it a shot

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my odds aren't good so I gotta make some sort of high risk play here

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so double pom for jolted is the best dps move still?

mint coral
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yeah

limpid ocean
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ok here goes nothing

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got tony'd lmao

mint coral
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damn it

limpid ocean
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wait nvm it's not tony

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i paused because i thought it was him but then the big one came up instead

mint coral
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big laser?

limpid ocean
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nah the big rat

mint coral
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anthony dusa

limpid ocean
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got my money, roll time

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WE GOT JOLTED DOUBLE POM

fervent radish
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ayy

limpid ocean
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2:10 left though, I'm in trouble

fervent radish
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yeah that's kinda rough

mint coral
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how much hp you have

fervent radish
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patty?

mint coral
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this is a 3 sack minimum so I doubt it

limpid ocean
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14/200 in this chamber but i'm proccing styx dark last chamber i can

fervent radish
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ah figures

mint coral
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oh you still have it

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y'know

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I think earring was a play here lol

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with this timer

limpid ocean
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it's a 4/5 sack, run is screwed

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it was a pleasure guys, thanks for the tips

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earring?

fervent radish
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rough

mint coral
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meg's keepsake

limpid ocean
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oh