#h1-discussion

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nocturne kelp
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Thanos

stiff obsidian
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nah

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thanos

upper wolf
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nachos

nocturne kelp
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NACHOS??

stiff obsidian
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'the hardest choices require the strongest wills'

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dont gift bouldy

nocturne kelp
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Dammit

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šŸ™.

covert hare
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I want it zagpls

whole sonnet
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can someone explain fishing to me?

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I get the same fishes

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wtf is the drop rate for the more rare ones

sour fog
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when you fish, if you do it right when it pops you get "perfect catch", otherwise it's normal catch

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normal catch is 50/50 for common/rare, perfect catch is 50/50 for rare/legendary

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so you have to do perfect catch if you want legendaries

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and there's one of each for each region

whole sonnet
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how do I do perfect catch

sour fog
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you just have to be quick

whole sonnet
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right when it goes under ?

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fast fast?

sour fog
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I think it's something like 0.3s after it pops

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yeah

whole sonnet
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damn

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ok ill try

sour fog
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not sure about the number

last veldt
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My reactions are too slow to reliably get perfect catch just by watching. There's another technique. Whenever you get a proper bite, it's always a short time after either the fishing starts or the previous nibble. So if you get a nibble, you only get a bite after it in the next second or so, after that it will be another nibble.

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And since the max number of nibbles is 3, if you see 3 nibbles you can guarantee that the next will be the bite, and it will happen within a second. This lets you really prime for the button press.

sour fog
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some people also recommend covering the lure with their thumb and going based on the flash rather than the bob, but I didn't have much success with that

steep condor
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some people also close their eyes and go by the sound

stiff obsidian
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thsi game sucks

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im done

steep condor
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with the game? with reading r/hadesthegame? with everything?

rustic vale
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Where regular catch window is .667

rustic vale
carmine beacon
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What is the best aspect to play with lambant plume ?šŸ¤”
It is fun to play with but hard to compensate for the RNG of the first god and still have decent damage to clear fast enough.
I know some people are saying Zagreus fist is good with that keepsake, but I highly disagree. They have no synergie at all. They just both give dodge chance, it is not a synergy, it is just a common point.

On the other hand an aspect such like Demeter fist looks better. The empowered special give decent clear no matter what God we find, because it strikes an ennemie several times with decent damage, so you can either get a % boon on special like Artemis, Athena, Poseidon or even Demeter to get the number I increased by 70% which is good. Or you can get a flat damage boon like Zeus or Dionysos on your fast attacks.

If you discover other aspect good with it I am interested because many of them become underwhelming if you don't get the right boon early.

stiff obsidian
rose roost
upper wolf
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dodge chance is additive, right ? So having two sources of it is very synergistic

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idr the exact math but every 1% dodge is better for every other 1% dodge you have

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extreme case being going from 99% to 100% literally making you invincible

rustic vale
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EHP = effective health points

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Looks like this where the bottom of the graph is x% damage reduction / dodge chance

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Any +% to enemy damage should also be thrown in as a multiplier on the denominator

covert hare
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Itā€™s giving me school flashbacks

stiff obsidian
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same

quasi dust
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Same x2

autumn rose
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I never realised u cud go into the brokers booth

whole sonnet
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I need a lot of nectar šŸ˜­

runic jungle
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Playing the sword on handheld for the nintendo switch was a massive mistake lmao.
My hand is killing meee I never realized how uncomfy button mashing was until now

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Also sword is the worst weapon out of all of them tbh

dire elk
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how do I get better with my lyre?

stone rune
dire elk
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...

stone rune
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most people do a few between each run

stiff obsidian
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you can choose to be different

steep condor
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you'll also have to talk to orpheus inbetween to get the prophecy so doing ig all at once doesn't help really

steep condor
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just tried 50 heat on eris rail for fun. made it to elysium on second try

what was i playing hestia for hundreds of hours forzaglol

fervent radish
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Real

tepid light
steep condor
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who was it? did i gaslight myself?

tepid light
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i mean perhaps you did gaslight yourself as well

steep condor
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as far as i know i just played hestia because hestia got me my first win and the reload shoot reload shoot thing is fun

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i don't remember anyone here telling me i should play hestiathanthink

upper wolf
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You should play Hestia

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You're welcome

steep condor
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stop gaslighting me

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thank you though

cedar stone
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memes channel?

tepid light
steep condor
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i feel like i missed something importantthanthink thanthink thanthink

tepid light
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just me throwing shade at jazz as per usual

stone rune
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totally normal thing to do

tepid light
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yep

steep condor
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i... don't remember vetbaitednv saying anything specific about hestia, much less pushing it on anyone

tepid light
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it happens very often

brisk trail
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...........

formal citrus
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Lol I got the 4 starter gods on this Luci run and got ME, DR, and splitting headache. Also triple comb and infinite chamber and dire misfortune and impending doom. Fun time.

stiff obsidian
pastel scaffold
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i guess im still pretty early in the game (didn't manage to defeat hades after temple of styx not even once after all these runs, i guess i suck lol), also didnt yet give ambrosia to artemis so i might yet be proven wrong...
but so far I really like artemis design. I think they nailed it! Socially awkward due to her lifetime in solitude, but still it is clear she's more than capable of being extremely dangerous and might even enjoy this. I think this is exactly how a goddess of wild hunt, who eschews Olympus in favor of wildlands and the company of other outcasts like her would behave and speak like

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OTOH i'm a little bit less of a fan of their rendition of Zeus and Poseidon.

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Hades is absuletely nailed as well. I love how they depicted him.

stone rune
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i think artemis needs non pommable

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like 75% of her boons

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who is pomming clean kill

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or hunters mark

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or hunters instinct

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or whatever

pastel scaffold
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Lol

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Patroclus just said

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"We myrmidons, we're not the sentimental type"

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he's literally one of the most sentimental types in the entire game

upper wolf
stiff obsidian
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it cant be better than pomming ur main core or whatever

upper wolf
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I didn't run the math

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But it can't be much worse either

stiff obsidian
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yea its alright

upper wolf
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Also we don't all run very pom hungry builds

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Sometimes you don't go tidal dash or cast

steep condor
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maybe i would have been better at hestia if i had actually put reload on a different button like everyone says to

stiff obsidian
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controler?

steep condor
steep condor
stiff obsidian
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idk about that then

steep condor
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default is pressing the right joystick

stiff obsidian
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i dont even know what a joystick is

quasi dust
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The analog stick on a switch controller

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You know what an analog stick is right?

stiff obsidian
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šŸ™‚

quasi dust
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Sorry

stiff obsidian
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i mean

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i dont

void vigil
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The spinny stick your thumb goes on

stiff obsidian
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ah

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you can press that?

void vigil
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Also itā€™s funny bc I rebound reload to middle mouse button, but I feel like a joystick is harder to press lol

quasi dust
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Yea

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Thanks AD lol

steep condor
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joystick is hard to press and it's awkward because you also use it for movement

quasi dust
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Fr

torn phoenix
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what would you remap it to though?

last veldt
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Switching Hestia reload to anything else was essential for me to be able to use it. On PS4 I mapped it to L1, and I mapped what was there somewhere else.

torn phoenix
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oh

last veldt
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It is annoying because all buttons are mapped to something, so I left Left-Menu button unmapped.

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I can cycle right through a menu to get what I want.

hallow fern
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which weapon do you guys think suits zagreus the best

upper wolf
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I can't imagine playing hestia without the reload being on my side mouse button

steep condor
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wait right joystick isn't used for movement i am dumb

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it's still weird

upper wolf
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Speaking of button mapping, I saw a vertical mouse with a joystick

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and it sounds like such an awesome idea

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but I'm not sure if there's a scam somewhere or not

quasi dust
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The L one is for the codex iirc

torn phoenix
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r trigger is call for me, ill figure something out tho thanks zaggrin

quasi dust
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For me its ZR instead of R

torn phoenix
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no worries! friendly

mint coral
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Cuz that's just codex

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Codex can chill in r3

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(and for speedruns, better to not have it easy to access cuz don't wanna make your run invalid by opening it at the wrong time)

last veldt
quasi dust
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What's the d padzagcry

last veldt
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Not on PlayStation I guess?

mint coral
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Dpad is in every controller tho

last veldt
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I honestly don't know

steep condor
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it's not a pad on switch though, it's four buttons. the ones beneath the stick on a left joy con

rustic vale
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Dpads have 4 input spots on each cardinal direction, the switch has four individual buttons for the same task

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Codex is your top left button on the left side iirc

steep condor
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yeah just pointing it out because it might be the reason why cadet didn't know what a dpad is

quasi dust
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Sorry I didn't read the channel lol

quasi dust
brisk trail
quasi dust
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Lmfaozagcry

jagged hamlet
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You know how a naked person charging at you is more intimidating than a clothed person charging at you? That's Aphrodite

desert tundra
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I think the last thing I'd be is intimidated zagpls

quasi dust
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samezagpls

lavish sorrel
tired walrus
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had a dream where the EM4 hades boss fight involved him opening the ground up to lava that insta-killed you if you fell in. and the ground would open up in a different pattern each time (e.g checkerboard, spiral) to spice things up

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oof i am hella off topic rn

quasi dust
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EM4 but worse lmao

lavish sorrel
tired walrus
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too bad my modding experience stops and ends at changing fishing values but might be a cool project to work on in the future

tired walrus
steep condor
desert tundra
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Don't blame me, SG knows what they're doing with their character designs lmao

lavish sorrel
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am I too ace for this game?

quasi dust
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nah everyone can enjoy the character designs

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you're cool

tired walrus
stiff obsidian
stiff obsidian
lavish sorrel
wary iron
desert tundra
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Free one heat for your DOOM

upper wolf
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it's free one heat

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don't @ me

fervent radish
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Just donā€™t step in a trap

quasi dust
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its free real estate

vapid ridge
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Question about the pact of punishment. It says I need to get out with a specific weapon (ie the shield of chaos). So if I do the run without that specific weapon, then I wonā€™t get the rewards?

mint coral
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Each weapon has its own set of bounties

wary iron
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what? where does it say that you need to get out with a specific weapon? perhaps it's the only weapon where you hadn't cleared that heat level for, so it recommends that

vapid ridge
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Weird it wonā€™t let me upload a picture in this server. Under the terms on the top left it says:
1 choose conditions
2 fill heat gauge to 1
3 get out using the shield of chaos

wary iron
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oh it's bc you have the shield equipped rn

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it will always say the weapon you have equipped at that moment

vapid ridge
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Oh. I thought its name was aegis

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Thanks

quasi dust
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it is, all weapons have 2 names

vapid ridge
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Thought it was referring to specially using that aspect

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Yea I see that now. Never noticed

wary iron
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you can think of the pact as 6 different pacts, one for each weapon

vapid ridge
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Yea I know

fervent radish
upper wolf
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Stygius, the stygian blade (uninspired)
Veratha, the eternal spear
Aegis, the shield of chaos
Coronacht, the heart seeking bow
The twin fists of Malphon
Exagryph, the adamant rail

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I almost wrote "the rail of the covenant"

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I should play monster train. Still a fair way away from 100%

quasi dust
mint coral
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Yeah

quasi dust
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aha i just checked

upper wolf
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Uh, I always heard a E. Today I learned I guess

steep condor
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btw, are all of the weapons based on myth? except exagryph i guess

quasi dust
upper wolf
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Why are you sorry tho ?

quasi dust
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Idk

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Just in case you'd be upset ig?

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Ik that some people hate it when someone does stuff like that

upper wolf
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I'm not upset zaglol

quasi dust
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Idk

quasi dust
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Goodshadethumbsup

upper wolf
desert tundra
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Although there's very little info on it lol

quasi dust
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there was a gun in ancient greece????????

desert tundra
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Yeah but they banned it cause it was too OP

quasi dust
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lmaooozagcry zagcry

steep condor
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i looked it up, only aegis and achilles' spear (as well as the hidden aspects) are based on myths, everything else was made up by sgg

in case anyone else wanted to know

quasi dust
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oh cool

desert tundra
brisk trail
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Anyone know whatā€™s up with the Netflix edition being available outside of the US right now?

true oak
dry flame
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They did well since from the gameplays I saw there is a full screen bug, but basic stuff, the rest of the game seems ok

steep condor
steep condor
# desert tundra And where'd you get that?

i googled itbouldy found this, didn't check more original sources (it's 1am in my timezone and i'm not that committed rn) but it fits w the things i did know so seemed legit enough https://techraptor.net/gaming/features/hades-weapons-mythology-meaning

TechRaptor
Hades: The Myths Behind the Weapons

Every good hero needs his or her arsenal of weapons, and Zagreus in Supergiant Gamesā€™ Hades is no exception. Gifted the weapons by none other than the mythological Achilles, they are the tools you use to break Zagreus out of the Underworld. And, much like everything else in the game, they are steeped in ancient mythology. So, we sat down to take...

quasi dust
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Interesting

true oak
stiff obsidian
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ah yes a gaming article

true oak
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it says 'searching through most well-known accounts, there isnā€™t any record of Hades ever being associated with a spear' wtf

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his weapon is literally the bident

rustic vale
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Whether or not it homed in on arrows is questionable

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But last I checked Achilles spear didnā€™t give him +150% attack and cast damage in the myths

quasi dust
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Hmm, suspicious zageyes /j

stiff obsidian
quasi dust
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God i laughed so hard

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At this

steep condor
steep condor
rustic vale
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or rather ā€œirl historical mythsā€

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real myths is an oxymoron

brisk trail
jovial forum
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on 3rd level of jury summons... does theseus get his carriage?

mint coral
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But yeah em3 = chariot

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Get dyno'd

jovial forum
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šŸ’€

jovial forum
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thanks anyway

steep condor
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game is teaching me perseverance. i'm getting frustrated not being able to beat 50 heat / close to 50 but i think of how i whined about 40 like two weeks ago and then did it. i've been gaming since i was like 6 years old - hades is the first game i am actually consciously trying to get better at. ludonarrative harmony ftw

void vigil
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shadeohboy 50 is no joke

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i barely did 32

torn phoenix
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fresh file teaching me perseverance shadefear

void vigil
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fresh file sounds fun to me, definitely more than climbing heat

torn phoenix
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great fun, monodash takes a while getting used to though

steep condor
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(is what some people here like to say)

void vigil
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benefits package my beloathed

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i liked running 20 heat but i dont think im ever going to do that again

latent moon
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do it for funsies :)

steep condor
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benefits package... em4... high security... jury summons... hard labor... i hate all of them

void vigil
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LC+SD is something i enjoyed

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oh i used to play with hard labor maxed just because

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id like to think it made me more careful

steep condor
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i'm too impatient for dodging properly all the time, it's sooo hard (hard labor i guess)

the only pact i actually like is forced overtime, i just love speed

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also ad, you've been playing hades since ea, right? i'd guess it's different when you come to the game later and have all these resources from other people to build on

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it's easier to get better faster when you have guides and people on discord helping you

void vigil
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yeah i played it from the very beginning :) i liked finding my own op combinations but once the game stopped getting updates its all been very "meta" here

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im guilty of playing meta builds but as the meta changed i stayed with what was fun for me

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(achilles with zeus cast, hera with aph cast for example)

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i actually only played beowulf once or twice

latent moon
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play beo a third time and beat 32 heat again lmao

stiff obsidian
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bšŸ¤“owulf

void vigil
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playing beo felt like playing an entirely different game

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i havent played shield in that long

stiff obsidian
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i played it 2 days agao its trash

latent moon
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do special only beo

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im sure it'll be less trash

stone rune
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tried for 4k hours to get good at gd

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did not get good at gd

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1.5k in csgo

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bad at csgo

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700 in tf2

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god awful at tf2

stiff obsidian
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maybe one day you would get good at hades

stone rune
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iā€™m actually thinking about speedrunning half life though

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so maybe iā€™ll get good at that

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i have like 100 hrs rn

tepid light
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unfortunately you can't speedrun csgo or tf2 so i see the problem

steep condor
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there was one half life mod i used to play as a teenager every day, i was good enough at that to get accused of cheating

but tbh i didn't really try hard there though, it just happened by itself. plus not a lot of ppl were playing it so the competition wasn't exactly big

stone rune
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guy who hasnā€™t heard of tf2 and csgo speedruns

steep condor
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i kind of feel like you probably aren't actually "bad" at csgo and "awful" at tf2 according to... normal standards

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going by what you say about hades

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not that i would know, i haven't seen you play, but, you know

muted geyser
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Iā€™m 55 escapes in and still havenā€™t beat had a successful escape attempt

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I am sad

stone rune
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not very good lol

tepid light
stone rune
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the csgo ones are boring

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but the tf2 ones are pretty cool

tepid light
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how do you speedrun an online multiplayer class-based shooter

stone rune
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they both have tutorials

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well i donā€™t think cs2 has one

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but cs2 is known for lacking extremely important game defining features

tepid light
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i legit can't comprehend what the goal of a tf2 "speedrun" would be

stone rune
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feel like itā€™s kinda obvious

tepid light
sour fog
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I remember people speedrunning the CoD4 training, that was fun to watch

granite ether
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if this discussion is to continue please move to #video-games thankyou friendly

autumn rose
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The discussion did not continue..

steep condor
muted geyser
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Currently I forget and next time is play is in 5 days but I still enjoy the game even when I get deleted by Styx

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But my skill ever increases so happy days

mint coral
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If you want a styx deleter do poseidon cast/dash + breaking wave

lavish sorrel
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Styx isn't real šŸ˜Œ

tepid light
muted geyser
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Truth be told the only annoying thing is that on the fated list of minor proficiencyā€™s wanton ransacking is buged

last veldt
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Is it? How so?

lavish sorrel
muted geyser
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The very last one which I believe to be tiny vermin (because it is nowhere else on the list) is still saying ā€œ???ā€ After I have seen and killed it

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Enless is another boss

upper wolf
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It's another

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There are 4 different mini-boss in styx, not counting tiny vermin

mint coral
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Was trying to check and got reminded why fandom wikis are so terrible

muted geyser
upper wolf
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Btw 55 runs before a clear is not bad

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Game is hard

mint coral
upper wolf
muted geyser
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Ah I missed the big satyr is seems

upper wolf
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Lucky you

true oak
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Middle management gives you 2 mini bosses at once btw

muted geyser
mint coral
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Yeah

muted geyser
mint coral
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At least is not mr infinite armor like anthony or big crystal

true oak
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Big crystal is ok

upper wolf
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I hate his 2 frame animation

true oak
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Big vermin sucks

upper wolf
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Dude looks stupid

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Big vermin is annoying if you play melee

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And are not having stupid DPS

mint coral
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Just get a million nail of talos

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šŸ‘

true oak
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i hate the cramped rooms with the axes and poison puddles

mint coral
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Or hide breaker šŸ§ 

true oak
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you can loose hp so quickly

muted geyser
mint coral
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Actually, @lavish sorrel what's the order for best to worst mini bosses for FF?

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In your opinion

muted geyser
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Before i go to bed (Australia time zones). Does say tar cultist have any requirements to spawn?

upper wolf
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Nah

muted geyser
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K

mint coral
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Just vist your nearby miniboss chamber

upper wolf
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It's like any other miniboss

lavish sorrel
# mint coral Actually, <@371075006274469899> what's the order for best to worst mini bosses f...

Tartarus
Best: bombers
Worst: bombers (lmao)

Asphodel
Power couple takes a while to learn and is definitely the more technical fight, but once learned is probably more consistent than barge.
For challenge-runs I prefer barge though.

Elysium
BBall best if you have damage, bull otherwise

Styx
Rankings:
1: bother
2: big satyr. Poison is scary but you can just camp the central pillar to win.
3: Anthony. Use traps to your advantage.
4: Snakestone if you have damage. If not, it becomes miserable (possibly last place)
5: Tony. Very simple fight (keep an obstacle between you and it any time it wants to attack), but also easy to stop paying attention after so long a fight and get hit.

void vigil
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It took me a while to realize who Anthony is

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Very funny

covert hare
hallow fern
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any demeter fans?

tepid light
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ayyy

wary iron
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fists or boons?

autumn rose
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demeter fists dusa

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demeter boons bouldy

wary iron
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yeah sadly

torn phoenix
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apart from crystal clarity yeah

mint coral
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Demeter fists bouldy
Demeter boons ron

brisk trail
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............

autumn rose
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well there's also cold embrace but bouldy

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even then still just her cast

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there's no duo that effects chill

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dio can get like 4 duos to help with hangover

covert hare
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Only good Demeter boons are her dash and special, and the passive ones

mint coral
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Demeter doesn't have a dash tho

rustic vale
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Low Tolerance, Curse of Nausea. Splitting Headache doesnā€™t count because it doesnā€™t help with anything, much less with hangover.

true oak
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black out also i guess

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not really a duo

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demeter has her legendary as well

autumn rose
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And if u get it then heart rend also is good

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They all synergise

rustic vale
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Splitting headache a) only boosts thing that already have a crit chance

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And b) gives a very small amount of crit chance

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and heart rend + splitting headache + pressure points (so that you can actually get any value from splitting headache) is worth less than curse of nausea alone, which is worth way less than low tolerance

true oak
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wdym low tolerance >> curse of nausea

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isn't about the same

rustic vale
true oak
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eh, lt is slower still so practically not much

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plus curse of nausea you can get without ares core

rustic vale
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yeah but anything running a hangover boon has an equally valid attack/special to use aphrodite on

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and low tolerance is just more raw dps value

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Curse of Nausea & Low tolerance together are good but Splitting Headache not so much

mint coral
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CoN better with dio call

rustic vale
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I missed it earlier but here is your splitting headache + heart rend + pressurepoints value

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2 duos and a secondary boon to boost average dps by less than CoN

autumn rose
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I've def had crit values from hangover w splitting headache and no pp

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If u have low tolerance ur crit percentage boost is gonna be considerably high

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And ur only using hangover with fast hitting weapons anyways

rustic vale
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It will only give bonus crit chance to things that already have a crit chance

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So yes you will see crits still because you need an artemis core that has a crit chance to open splitting headache

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But that wonā€™t be on your hangover nor will it be on the rest of your kit

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As already mentioned, if you have pressure points this is fixed since everything has a crit chance then but yeah even with pressure points the dps boost is still way lower than the other duos (did the math make sense? The numbers in the bottom right of each bar were exactly how much of a dps multiplier each duo would end up being)

rose roost
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gyan yu being the 2nd aspect to beat 64 was not on my list todaybouldy

latent moon
#

guan yu before rama what a time to be alive

upper wolf
#

whut

#

there has been another 64 clear ???

#

people are way too cracked at this game I swear

stiff obsidian
latent moon
#

nah rama always had potential for 64 imo

#

it's just that no one wants to grind for hermes and 2nd hammer

#

but guan yu is so cursed

stiff obsidian
#

guan yu technically better than zeus shield

#

because it took less grinding to achieve

#

(i assume)

latent moon
#

i think so yeah

#

im pretty sure playad was more of a rama player but then started doing guan yu after the 60 came out by aether

lunar moth
#

WITHER AND DIE

autumn rose
latent moon
#

yeah

#

just standard speedrunning modpack

stiff obsidian
#

unmodded guan yu 64 :dread:

latent moon
#

guan yu is about as needy as rama or maybe even more so lmao

lavish sorrel
stiff obsidian
#

whats barge

true oak
#

wow guan yu best aspect confirmed

muted geyser
stone rune
#

barge is harder to see through all the tears

short rock
#

OlĆ”, estou com um bug sobre as conquistas do xbox. Eu jĆ” fiz a conquista de comprar 9 itens no poƧo do caronte VƁRIAS vezes e mesmo assim nĆ£o desbloqueia a conquista. Eu realmente nĆ£o sei mais o que fazer, pois estou tentando platinar Hades.

#

AlguƩm poderia me ajudar?

void vigil
short rock
#

Obrigado, nĆ£o tinha visto

covert hare
#

power couple its just learning them

latent moon
#

Couldn't the same be said about barge

covert hare
#

meanwhile barge if you cant beat that BIG shield guy quickly

#

you are gonna get overwhelmed by invincible enemies

latent moon
#

Oh with MM

covert hare
#

yeah

muted geyser
#

I can do it no dmg easy

upper wolf
#

If you manage to get MM in fresh file you're a big gamer

stone rune
#

doesnt it

devout terrace
#

real gamers play superbarge in fresh file

#

Not the MM one, the cgull one

latent moon
#

Summons simplify barge a lot

#

But I'd rather have mm barge than mm power couple lol

mint coral
#

Super barge my beloved

devout terrace
#

mm power couple is hell with 1 dash

latent moon
#

Thwomp shockwaves are a pain for me

#

Yeah I'd imagine it would lmao

#

Thwomp goes crazy

#

Nerf next patch pls

covert hare
upper wolf
#

Yes zaglol

stone rune
#

power couple

quasi dust
#

ouch

stone rune
#

this is from like may

carmine beacon
#

i was looking at some builds, there is one on beowulf that relie on special. Can anyone explain the synergy behind it? It looks like the whole aspect is made around the cast. Playing beowulf for special damage sounds to me like playing a poseidon sword for the special damage. How is that supposed to work? While on the other hand other shield have cool special oriented effect like chaos shield and zeus shield.

stone rune
#

it used to be the way people played it because charged flight gave more damage boost

#

but it sucks

fervent radish
#

Lmao Beowulf mentioned means jazz is on the way

#

I canā€™t imagine beo special being anything but tedious to play

stone rune
#

tried it once

#

got bored mid ely and reset

fervent radish
#

Real

proper tusk
#

tried fresh file

#

made it to lernie

#

honestly this is not as bad as i was expecting

#

its my first time playing without forced overtime in a while so its not too hard, just really slow

upper wolf
desert tundra
#

Shields go brrrr

fervent radish
#

possibly the most noticeable one

nova viper
#

is it like a chaos contract or smth?

mint coral
#

Enemies do +100% dmg

nova viper
#

oh

mint coral
#

(if you haven't escaped, you don't have this yet)

rustic vale
#

Sidenote but while both Chaos and Zeus do both have ā€œcoolā€ special oriented effects, Zeus is the only one of the 2 that can actually use their effect well

leaden birch
#

me when chaos tells me to do something

#

šŸŖ–

upper wolf
#

Chaos when I beg him for a portal

muted geyser
#

Not sure if this is the right for this (if not please tell me) but how do I get the other aspects to appear the ones that I cat even read the name of

maiden narwhal
#

anyone got a decent 40 that doesn't include em4?

stiff obsidian
#

yes

latent moon
stiff obsidian
#

how is bro back already

latent moon
muted geyser
latent moon
#

use that pact basically

#

hs dc2 and js1 are more or less variable

#

you can take ap1 cf1 or whatever

#

lower hl and put more stuff into js/cf or whatever

#

but no 40 pact takes em4

maiden narwhal
#

then it was a bunch of tartarus deaths

#

then i make it there again and only realise it's em4 when he threw his goddamn dog at me

#

i just can't

#

hang on let me show you what i'm trying to work with

#

sigh the 4 heat from em4 feels free until you actually get to phase 2 dad

#

@latent moon should i just not attempt 40 until i can em4?

rustic vale
#

Yikes

rustic vale
maiden narwhal
#

i tried running it on 26 heat but he still beat me

rustic vale
#

Like

maiden narwhal
#

so i really feel like em4 is just not for me

rustic vale
#

You donā€™t need em4 in your 40 heat pct

#

I havenā€™t run em4 in ages

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
#

This pct is super painful btw

latent moon
#

you dont need em4 for 40 lmao

maiden narwhal
#

it really is

latent moon
#

cp2 is not great

rustic vale
#

CP down TD up

latent moon
#

and td2 is kinda crippling a bit

maiden narwhal
#

turn damage control on?

latent moon
#

what aspect

rustic vale
#

No

maiden narwhal
#

zeus

latent moon
#

dc2 works

rustic vale
#

eh

#

dc2 would be far better than cp2

latent moon
#

as long as you go zeus special

maiden narwhal
#

ah

#

athena zeus?

rustic vale
#

No.

latent moon
#

if you want a % god on zeus disk you go aphrodite and pray you get explosive return for damage

maiden narwhal
#

ok i'll experiment

#

thank you

latent moon
#

otherwise the % is kidna underwhelming unless it's epic/heroic athena

rustic vale
#

I would turn down js3 by 3 levels and push td up to 3

latent moon
#

actually it's the special so rare is fine but eh

#

td2 js3 is fine

rustic vale
#

JS is going to be big time loss and way extra danger

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
#

Even with more time itā€™s still just a trudge

maiden narwhal
#

speedrunners need to be very good at killing things

latent moon
maiden narwhal
latent moon
#

dc2 over cp2 is the only big change then

rustic vale
#

/dc2 now

maiden narwhal
latent moon
#

js3 td2 is fine

rustic vale
#

yeah but also

#

nvrmind

latent moon
#

some people have more trouble with js0/1 td3 than js3 td2 lmao

maiden narwhal
#

ok cp 0 dc 2

latent moon
#

idrk how but it is for some

stiff obsidian
#

dont use zeus shield

maiden narwhal
#

cause i'm so good with the other weapons

rustic vale
#

js0 td3 is right there for a run that doesnā€™t take 8 years while putting you in way more danger

maiden narwhal
#

i can't kill them the way y'all do

rustic vale
maiden narwhal
#

but it helps

rustic vale
#

I mean if you want to clear 40 then cleaning up your play

#

Will definitely help

maiden narwhal
#

i mean you just need the skill of a speedrunner

#

i guess

latent moon
#

td3 is def achievable for the average player if you put in the effort to learn it better but you dont have to for 40

rustic vale
#

I mean itā€™s just something you end up learning like fo2 and Lc4 SD

maiden narwhal
#

td3 js0 is 40

#

ok now how does it look?

latent moon
#

yeah but killing things fast and safe is kinda hard sometimes

latent moon
rustic vale
#

fair but staying safe when there are

#

1.6 times as many enemies

#

is also

latent moon
#

it's not at the same time

rustic vale
#

Kinda hard sometimes

maiden narwhal
#

better?

latent moon
#

it kinda is at the same time but like

#

it's not that much worse imo

rustic vale
#

Isnā€™t js boost both enemies per wave and wave #

latent moon
#

pact is good yeah

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
maiden narwhal
#

cool thank you

rustic vale
#

Now I feel bad for

latent moon
rustic vale
#

arguing for td3 so much

maiden narwhal
#

and if td3 forces me to get better im all for it

latent moon
#

i'd only say try td3 if you're strugging for time with js3 td2 lmao

rustic vale
maiden narwhal
latent moon
#

well em4 lmao

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
#

Not just keep throwing yourself at 40 till some run sticks

maiden narwhal
#

not a bad idea

rustic vale
#

I would keep the important parts that you had to learn on

maiden narwhal
#

well. i wasn't just button mashing

rustic vale
#

Like lc4 sd and fo2 for sure then build the rest of the pact up from there

#

But it would just be at a lower heat

maiden narwhal
#

p sure a room of trial speed splitters would give most people trouble

even in tartarus

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
#

Well

#

They arenā€™t something you need to learn

#

Turning of FO2 is like whiplash for me

#

I expect everything to attack earlier

maiden narwhal
#

fo is like training weights it's great when you turn it off

rustic vale
#

No the opposite

#

Because I expect everything to attack sooner

#

I end up getting hit by enemies that I dodged early

latent moon
maiden narwhal
#

that's why i like max fo they move at the same speed i do

but then turning fo off completely it's like they were standing still

rustic vale
#

I have had fo2 on forever and I never take it off

#

I donā€™t see a reason to

maiden narwhal
#

because fo is wonderful

rustic vale
#

Itā€™s just going to slow down my game and give me aforementioned whiplash if I turn it off

maiden narwhal
#

i turned it off to see if i could beat em4

#

i.. couldn't

latent moon
#

em4 hard

maiden narwhal
#

that asian plays em4 hs is mindblowing to me

rustic vale
#

What do I replace on my 32 heat pct fr em4

maiden narwhal
#

next level

rustic vale
#

Nanas

#

Whatā€™s the least impactful thing I could take off

#

Iā€™m keeping lc4 hl5 fo2

#

I need 7 heat?

#

Maybe bp

#

Havenā€™t used em4 in forever

#

Havenā€™t played Hades itself in forever

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
#

not a big difference

stiff obsidian
maiden narwhal
#

cool

latent moon
maiden narwhal
latent moon
#

just take off lc4 and use DDs lol

rustic vale
latent moon
#

oh lc4 hl5 fo2

#

i didnt read that far

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
#

time to play hades again

#

what are we doing

#

32 em4 hl5 lc4 fo2?

latent moon
#

so like

#

js1 lmao

#

or hs if you're feeling funny

maiden narwhal
#

and nothing else

stiff obsidian
#

i mean

#

thats like

#

16 heat

#

14

#

lol

maiden narwhal
#

oh i meant keep the normal ones

#

so it should be around 30ish

#

just turn off js cp etc

stiff obsidian
fervent radish
#

Bros ban expired

maiden narwhal
#

i left

latent moon
stiff obsidian
#

oh hell nah

#

i was jsut trying hades 50 heat ealrier

latent moon
#

oh gross

stiff obsidian
#

yes

#

was doing special tho

fervent radish
#

Controversial but I think HL5 is meh for 32

stiff obsidian
#

not serrated

latent moon
#

oh less gross

maiden narwhal
stiff obsidian
#

ill do eris

stone rune
#

i did a little bit of hades 50 for hotw once

#

actually miserable aspect

stiff obsidian
#

šŸ˜ƒ

maiden narwhal
stone rune
#

it does 0 damage

#

wet noodle

latent moon
#

it's also ap0 just hit clockets lmao

stiff obsidian
#

yea

#

nah ill do delta chamber

latent moon
#

coward

maiden narwhal
#

how do pots work?

#

you hit them to activate them?

latent moon
#

more or less yeah

maiden narwhal
#

or aggro radius?

latent moon
#

hit to activate

#

you can walk through them

maiden narwhal
#

aah

#

crux

#

i never knew

latent moon
#

i tihnk actually

maiden narwhal
#

i panic during boss fights

latent moon
#

idk that might've been bs lmfao

maiden narwhal
#

i suck at cuphead idk why i bought that thing

latent moon
#

the aggro radius might be like right on top of it tho

#

so maybe dont walk through it

#

but you can walk around it lmao

stiff obsidian
#

wWO CF0 is so amazing

latent moon
#

buy the titan blood or diamond in styx

maiden narwhal
#

do you erebus and thingy td3?

#

what's it called

#

chaos

#

?

#

the clock doesn't stop this is important information

stiff obsidian
#

erebus 1 hit instantly ends run but timer pauses

#

that would be nice

maiden narwhal
#

lol

#

but then also why

latent moon
#

erebus for double pom can be strong

#

or double heart

maiden narwhal
#

generally erebus is only worth it when there's a skull on

and by the nature of that room, it'll take longer

#

so idk

latent moon
#

for chaos, you might as well take it if you aren't afraid of dying in like tart and aspho

maiden narwhal
#

i think best skip it entirely

latent moon
#

bc room skip

maiden narwhal
#

erebus doubles are boss rooms with heroic mobs tho right?

#

takes ages to get through the armour

latent moon
#

they're not always armored

#

some might be armored

#

heroic mobs maybe idrk

#

i dont take erebus

maiden narwhal
#

yes i'm going to stop

stiff obsidian
#

wow

#

ri0 ap0 is such a drug

latent moon
#

ri ap bad

#

who would've thunk

stiff obsidian
#

too bad im still in high heat mindset not rolling any boons and purging for uc

maiden narwhal
#

out of td3 tart with 40.45 to spare!

#

i'm the best

rustic vale
#

You got this

#

Asphodel is very short you should be able to make up lots of breathing room

#

& honestly never let how much time you have left at the end of tartarus bog you down

maiden narwhal
#

the real problem is em3

lernie and dad go quick but furies and heroes take forever

rustic vale
#

Iā€™ve cleared td3 runs that went overtime in tart or overtime in ely

#

I was about to say

#

Dad going by quick at em4

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
#

I mean my em4 dad fight is over quickly but not because I sent him back to the house of Hades zagcry

maiden narwhal
#

am i better off with tooth or second god in asphodel?

rustic vale
#

2nd god

#

Tooth is (almost) (sorry ā€almostā€) never the answer

#

if the question is

maiden narwhal
#

yeah i realised

#

after i asked

rustic vale
#

ā€œWhat is skellies keepsakeā€

maiden narwhal
#

if the question revolves around a skill issue

rustic vale
#

Tooth is the answer

maiden narwhal
#

the just get good

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
#

i always take tooth into aspho

rustic vale
#

Ifā€™s not that defensive keepsakes are bad

#

Itā€™s that tooth is a bad defensive keepsake

maiden narwhal
#

with sd?

stiff obsidian
#

tooth is awesome

rustic vale
#

yeah

#

Take acorn

maiden narwhal
#

i want acorn for ely and dad

rustic vale
#

If you take acorn into asphodel you will have it for ely and dad

#

But force a 2nd god in

stiff obsidian
#

i never take acorn over tooth for aspho

maiden narwhal
#

i mean i guess acorn does the same thing as tooth for lernie

#

i play like a lunatic because i have three lives so it doesn't matter

rustic vale
#

Cuz

#

This is asphodel

#

And

maiden narwhal
#

because both tooth and sd are gone after the encounter

rustic vale
#

Lernie attacks way daster

maiden narwhal
#

does anyone know what ad's tag is?

rustic vale
rustic vale
maiden narwhal
#

AD

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
#

AD

#

has

#

never been used as an acornym ever

maiden narwhal
#

the mod

rustic vale
#

ohhh

#

Idk I play switch

#

The only mods I know are Sbeve

stiff obsidian
#

i died at 32 heat i will never play hades again

rustic vale
#

thatā€™s the only mod that really mtters tbh

maiden narwhal
#

nvm i'll scroll up till i find it

rustic vale
maiden narwhal
#

@void vigil it appears i owe you an apology

i thought you were wrong but then i saw "be kind" is actually in the rules and i guess i wasn't v kind. at some point, anyway

so, sorry

ok, as you were

maiden narwhal
#

is this your modded game?

stiff obsidian
#

time to play chiron

rustic vale
#

itā€™s not my modded game

#

Itā€™s just

#

One of the Hades mods that exists

maiden narwhal
#

oh ok i thought that's how you played on switch

#

is it easier or harder to judge hitboxes with that skin

#

i wonder

#

harder

#

it's the mobs who should be blocky, not zag

rustic vale
#

Hold on I have more crazy ones

maiden narwhal
#

try typing poweroverwhelming

#

see what happens

#

i can't believe zeus shield is my favourite aspect and only clear

#

i'm so bad with it

#

how do you attack with special first, for the first damage bonus?

#

it's so slow

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
#

why does every aspect in this game suck

rustic vale
#

You attack first with your strike

maiden narwhal
#

because your damage comes from your special

rustic vale
#

Higher base damage -> more use of fiery presence

rustic vale
maiden narwhal
#

it does not

rustic vale
#

So it can deal damage

#

The shield has velocity

maiden narwhal
#

you can throw it out and watch braveheart twice and it still hasn't reached the enemies

rustic vale
#

It should get there unless youā€™re far off

#

it also has a max range bouldy

maiden narwhal
#

it moves way slower than double dash

#

which is what i'm used to

#

like muscle memory

#

so i always dash attack before the shield hits

#

so my first daamge is coming from my dash attack which is wrong

#

how tf do you play this aspect right

rustic vale
maiden narwhal
#

THEY TOLD ME IT IS

rustic vale
#

who is they

maiden narwhal
#

idk man you're all the same

#

"32 is free"

#

"only speedrunning is real"

rustic vale
#

What

maiden narwhal
#

everyone says the same thing because you're all at a certain level

#

so i don't know who, in particular, i got that advice from

#

but i was told very clearly that zeus shield damage comes from the special and that's what should hit first

rustic vale
#

I mean yes

#

Your zeus shield should be getting there first

maiden narwhal
#

so then.. how is it ok for my dash attack to hit first?

#

but its

#

so

#

slow

#

how do you play it

rustic vale
#

You can throw it whenever you want so you can throw it right i. Their faces

#

If you want

maiden narwhal
#

do you cast it and dash backwards?

#

and then towards them?

maiden narwhal
#

so dash onto them, cast return, then start attacking

#

that.. would feel really weird

#

but ok

#

i can train that

rustic vale
#

You donā€™t cast return

#

You just throw it out

void vigil
tepid light
maiden narwhal
#

they're at the top of the world leader board

#

they are special

rustic vale
#

and so

#

Iā€™m practically them

stiff obsidian
#

32 heat is free

maiden narwhal
#

but it's not just them

tepid light
stiff obsidian
#

ignore me just losing at 32 heat

maiden narwhal
#

there you go

rustic vale
#

False Side literally lost a 32 heat run earleir

#

Theyā€™re trolling u rn

maiden narwhal
#

i bet noob and bananas say it too

rustic vale
#

Nuh uh

tepid light
#

i mean at least on my part i really hate the "32 heat is free speedrunning is the only way" view just as much as you do

rustic vale
#

Nanas is more careful then that

stiff obsidian
#

i facetanked em4 phase 2 because i forgot theres a 3rd

tepid light
#

And I'm pretty sure Noob and Bananas aren't that arrogant either

upper wolf
#

32 is free, and damn I am poorer than broke

maiden narwhal
#

unless i'm missing something

upper wolf
#

Meh, it's not exactly same meta

tepid light
maiden narwhal
upper wolf
#

But there are skills that transfer for sure, ofc

maiden narwhal
#

you play em4 hs ffs

rustic vale
#

Speedrunnig isnā€™t the only way but itā€™s a hell of an effective way compared to turning off td and running every other more harmful pact

tepid light
maiden narwhal
#

it's hyperbolic

#

at best

#

i wouldn't say arrogant

#

but i can see how you'd see it that way

rustic vale
#

65 heat is easy shadethumbsup

tepid light
upper wolf
#

You're talking about jazz ? Because I don't think it's arrogance. I think she just talks like that

tepid light
#

some people actually do unironically believe that 32 heat is objectively easy

stiff obsidian
#

i do

#

i hould correct that to 32 heat with optimal pact and good game knowledge is easy

rustic vale
#

32 heat is the first big jump after the tutorial that is 0-20

tepid light
maiden narwhal
upper wolf
stiff obsidian
rustic vale
#

40 heat isnā€™t difficult because I cleared it and if I cleared it it canā€™t be difficult

tepid light
maiden narwhal
#

i thought that distinction went unsaid

#

apparently not

rustic vale
#

But I donā€™t see myself as a good player

stiff obsidian
#

i recently introduced my friend to hades and made them clear 32 heat in their 8th clear and 40 heat on their 10th clear

maiden narwhal
rustic vale
upper wolf
maiden narwhal
#

i mean.. unless you're not a good player idk

rustic vale
#

Because there are further benchmarks

maiden narwhal
#

haven't you cleared 40+?

#

don't you give out advice?

maiden narwhal
#

but there are also tiers

#

so you know where you fall

rustic vale
#

I know numbers and I know meta but like look at my stats & Iā€™m trudging along pretty slowly

stiff obsidian
#

good*]

rustic vale
#

Yeah because building is half the game

maiden narwhal
#

either knowing the numbers, or paying attention to people who know the numbers

#

it's the 2% of any rpg community

#

who do the numbers

#

and set the meta

tepid light
rustic vale
#

Certainly

upper wolf
tepid light
#

not helped by her tendency of just going dead silent whenever someone tries to talk to her about it and tell her to cool off

maiden narwhal
upper wolf
#

Meh

tepid light
upper wolf
#

I don't mind jazz

rustic vale
maiden narwhal
#

and that's ok

#

she has no obligation to respect anyone

rustic vale
#

do you have a window into her head

maiden narwhal
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until they earn it

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p sure she doesn't do that to people whose respect she wants

rustic vale
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That her silence is a lack of respecr

latent moon
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tepid light
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as shackle said, you don't know that

maiden narwhal
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you wrote the book on it lol

latent moon
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that literally doesnt mean i think it's free

rustic vale
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i just think it's doable

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doable and free are so very different

tepid light
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and if that WAS true, guess what: i have the same right to 'not respect people' as well

rustic vale
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The guide is there precisely because it isnā€™t free

maiden narwhal
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"wrote the book on" is a figure of speech

rustic vale
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if it was free you wouldnā€™t need a guide to exist at all

latent moon
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just because i wrote the guide doesn't mean i think it's free those things are literally unrelated

maiden narwhal
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this is called wordplay

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obv "free" is hyperbolic language wtf

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are you actually taking that literally?

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this is why people think i'm unkind

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i'm out

latent moon
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i mean you're accusing me of saying it is

rustic vale
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Avalanche if it was easy why would a guide need to be written

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If Bananas thought it was easy why would he write a guide to help people struggling with it

lavish sorrel
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tepid light
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There are plenty of books on Jazz?

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