1st phase is largely considerd harder on em4
#h1-discussion
rancid axle
You’ll be fine lol
maiden narwhal
pretty relevant to me if it's the difference between clear or not
or die or not
quasi dust
1st phase is largely considerd harder on em4
well crap
stone rune
dude speedcord and sggcord are so active rn
im having to check between 4 diff channels rn
rancid axle
im having to check between 4 diff channels rn
Lmao
quasi dust
You’ll be fine lol
also i'm just assuming that EM is extremer measures?
there's 4??????
oh god
maiden narwhal
there's 4??????
can't remember when that unlocks but yeah
quasi dust
i need to catch up
maiden narwhal
only tried once
obv didn't make it to phase 3
quasi dust
can't remember when that unlocks but yeah
i can get it i just haven't done so
(i'm scared help)
should i do 32 heat or em first
mint coral
They are both kinda unrelated
rancid axle
can't remember when that unlocks but yeah
It’s a contractor thing after beating Theseus and Asterius with em3
mint coral
Also em4 is "not that bad" assuming is like the one pact active
maiden narwhal
when do you start attempting em4?
mint coral
It gets nasty the more you stack
rancid axle
Also em4 is "not that bad" assuming is like the one pact active
Oh yeah
mint coral
when do you start attempting em4?
Whenever you want really
quasi dust
i have so much stuff to do oh god (i promise i'll get to it eventually)
mint coral
Tho if you mean like high heat
mint coral
55+ maybe?
stone rune
it was literally just normal but now extra phjase\
maiden narwhal
it was literally just normal but now extra phjase\
false
he throws a dog at you
so there's that
stone rune
yeah but i knew to go into the bottom right corner
covert hare
enemies move faster pact also applies on bosses? i felt like father was moving faster
mint coral
Yeah
tepid light
yeah but i knew to go into the bottom right corner
do my pact now
stone rune
do my pact now
Solve my Puzzle!
rancid axle
he throws a dog at you
I can’t get the image of dad just chucking Cerberus “so long gay bowser” style lmao
tepid light
but yeah i'm sure i'd clear em4 every time if it was just em4
rancid axle
but yeah i'm sure i'd clear em4 every time if it was *just* em4
Me too
mint coral
The best mental image of super dad is him carrying around a Cerberus plushie
Cuz it's basically his summon
tepid light
Every time someone recoils in horror at my pact, I gain 2 years of life
maiden narwhal
Cuz it's basically his summon
whyyy can't we get a cerbie companion
upper wolf
aren't you immortal already then ?
maiden narwhal
hades 2
upper wolf
whyyy can't we get a cerbie companion
precisely because dad got it instead lol
rancid axle
I’m not that endgame-y so I try to avoid things like hard labor and calisthenics program
tepid light
aren't you immortal already then ?
quasi dust
I can’t get the image of dad just chucking Cerberus “so long gay bowser” style l...
I thought y'all were joking is this real
rancid axle
Every time someone recoils in horror at my pact, I gain 2 years of life
Show us the pact
tepid light
Show us the pact
hard labor 5
lasting consequences 2
convenience fee 2
jury summons 3
extreme measures 4
calisthenics program 2
benefits package 2
middle management
forced overtime 1
heightened security
tight deadline 1
rancid axle
hard labor 5
lasting consequences 2
convenience fee 2
jury summons 3
extreme mea...
Wth is wrong with you
quasi dust
Not rn bcs school, but I want dad to chuck a dog at me that's so freaking funny
maiden narwhal
This is amazing, screw darkness farming I'm doing em
i wanna do em 4 so bad but i also want to climb heat
i'll save it for rail i guess
hard to lose with rail
quasi dust
i wanna do em 4 so bad but i also want to climb heat
SAME but again the Cerberus thing is so funny
tepid light
Wth is wrong with you
i have different preferences for heat compared to most people
mint coral
i wanna do em 4 so bad but i also want to climb heat
Just get good at em4 and you can do em4 too
Become the next retrash
rancid axle
hard labor 5
lasting consequences 2
convenience fee 2
jury summons 3
extreme mea...
If there was more td my heart would just stop
tepid light
If there was more td my heart would just stop
There's a reason why I'm still only at tight deadline 1
I don't like heat modifiers that make Zag weaker
maiden narwhal
Just get good at em4 and you can do em4 too
if only i didn't need to put in 25 minutes to practice one fight
tepid light
As SomeNoobDying summarized
mint coral
if only i didn't need to put in 25 minutes to practice one fight
Are you on pc? I forgot
maiden narwhal
pc, yeah
mint coral
You can do savestates to practice
tepid light
But yeah I could give the entire spiel again but suffice to say
maiden narwhal
cool i'll google that
tepid light
Everyone has different preferences for increasing heat
maiden narwhal
you guys say you don't even need a build before 34 heat right?
tepid light
you're just built different lol
Thanks
maiden narwhal
you guys say you don't even need a build before 34 heat right?
is that when you consider the real game starts?
tepid light
My ego swells when people admit my pact is terrifying
maiden narwhal
for dead cells they only consider the real game starting after you kill the boss 4 times
mint coral
you guys say you don't even need a build before 34 heat right?
You can still ball at 32 heat tbh
maiden narwhal
it took me ages to even kill him once
mint coral
But also I wouldn't say if "the real game starts"
Dead cell does push you towards 5bc, hades at most keeps it at 32 for an in game reward
maiden narwhal
But also I wouldn't say if "the real game starts"
well in the case of dead cells, there were new mechanics
i don't think there's anything new in hades?
mint coral
That's not even an achievement for steam/whatever
32 is mostly used as a metric for where high heat starts
maiden narwhal
so that's where the game gets really hard?
maiden narwhal
so when you say you "don't need a build" before 32.. does that mean you don't force gods in tartarus and asphodel?
mint coral
so that's where the game gets *really* hard?
i would say so I guess
mint coral
so when you say you "don't need a build" before 32.. does that mean you don't fo...
Yeah, you can pretty much stick whatever you want and it'll probably work out
maiden narwhal
Dead cell does push you towards 5bc, hades at most keeps it at 32 for an in game...
did you get there?
idk if casual gamers ever could
i couldn't even get to 2bc
mint coral
That said I still think there's a difference between
Random blood and darkness go vs I know what works with what but I won't force them
mint coral
did you get there?
idk if casual gamers ever could
i couldn't even get to 2bc
I think I got to 3 bc? Then used assist mode
maiden narwhal
Yeah, you can pretty much stick whatever you want and it'll probably work out
cool. so that is my benchmark
i'm not going to force a god, and teach myself to make the right decisions that win anyway
mint coral
I don't like how dead cells limits healing compared to hades
mint coral
This is more #video-games territory but custom mode makes the game much more fun for me
maiden narwhal
and yes, barely any healing at all
dead cells is for hardcore gamers i think
mint coral
Can just turn off many of the random weapons I never touch
mystic lark
I got to 3bc, then moved to hades :D
maiden narwhal
yeah i was gonna say don't want to go off topic
maiden narwhal
This is more <#725022285504708739> territory but custom mode makes the game much...
ah i didn't want to do that until i finished 3 at least
lavish sorrel
dead cells is *much* more dependent on seed than hades is
(I'd disagree with this personally. it encourages learning to play with any set of weapons/skills)
maiden narwhal
in the long run, i guess
but initially, your run would be almost completely dependent on your seed
that pun was not intended
once you're done with the lounge quest, is there any non cosmetic use for the jewels?
mint coral
Trades ig
maiden narwhal
for rank?
mint coral
At the lounge
mint coral
Ranks are also cosmetics lol
maiden narwhal
haha i know
but at least it's something new
i meant for contractor though.
do i need gems for him at all?
also does anyone know if hades has a graphics settings toggle for low medium high
tepid light
skins for zagreus when
gimme them microtransactions
maiden narwhal
i want to put it on low the shadows etc are v distracting
maiden narwhal
skins for zagreus when
gimme them microtransactions
please be being facetious
at least about the latter part
mint coral
i want to put it on low the shadows etc are v distracting
Check #h1-tech-fixes or ask in #h1-tech-support
tepid light
please be being facetious
oh rest assured i'm entirely joking
maiden narwhal
idk man i got triggered
tepid light
if they addded microtransactions to hades i'd be the first to raise a pitchfork
upper wolf
predatory
maiden narwhal
just the fact that gacha as a genre exists..
mint coral
Unlock the new god demeter for just 1.99$
upper wolf
Unlock the new god demeter for just 1.99$
I feel like most people would go out of their way to not buy this
demeter kinda mid
mint coral
Hera becomes pay to win
mint coral
Dem is just that meh
I'd like her stuff a bit more if killing freeze/artic blast were pommable
maiden narwhal
tell my again why you don't put her on fast attack and do the clear 10 stacks thing?
mint coral
Zeus does the same with jolted basically
And fwiw I used to do chiron artic blast a lot 
mint coral
Sure ig
Dem snow burst/killing freeze aren't that bad
But that just leaves dem as support
And her most famous build is referred as meme beams for a reason
mint coral
It kinda needs a lot
But also once you compare to other unreliable builds
upper wolf
She's just worse than other builds
upper wolf
so why go for her instead of those better builds, if you wanna play optimally ?
maiden narwhal
She's just worse than other builds
like sword!
upper wolf
?
maiden narwhal
in my hands, anyway
it's not a bad choice for weapon
there's just others that are better
mint coral
(dem can also works as a replacement to aphro atk if it's epic rarity)
maiden narwhal
also sword got really shafted on hammers
mint coral
Her % ain't the worst
mint coral
also sword got really shafted on hammers
True
upper wolf
it's not a bad choice for weapon
there's just others that are better
oh, yeah, true
I like sword but it's still pretty mid
maiden narwhal
aphrodite also stops charging bull dead in its tracks
so bae
you guys haters
oh and is also the only thing to reliably stop dad
dad call will, but it has to be properly timed
void vigil
have you tried hiding behind pillars?
maiden narwhal
nvr
if you have common crit, will you put all your poms into it?
all the poms you can, anyway
void vigil
it doesnt improve the crit chance unless its pressure points, right?
latent moon
either way no because you should have better things to pom lmao
void vigil
oh i think its negligible unless all the other options are like Nothing
latent moon
yeah
maiden narwhal
cool thank
latent moon
it's not worth selling unless you absolutely have to
maiden narwhal
wish i'd asked two poms ago
latent moon
either to cut down on the pom pool or because of UC
maiden narwhal
heat 17 now
officially crossed the halfway mark
have you guys dropped all companions on all bosses?
some of the dialogue is hilarious
void vigil
bouldy lines are the best
maiden narwhal
"where did that come from!" - theseus, literally just now
that's what made me ask
mint coral
"Was that a boulder from the sky?"
quasi dust
bouldy lines are the best
Agreed
maiden narwhal
hard labor 5
lasting consequences 2
convenience fee 2
jury summons 3
extreme mea...
why hs?
do people who play hs go sure footing?
mint coral
"don't hit the traps" mentality
latent moon
uh that pact is not fun for anyone involved lmao
maiden narwhal
"don't hit the traps" mentality
one dad pot = gg
mint coral
Yup
latent moon
em4 cp2 js3 hs kinda pain
maiden narwhal
so WHY
i mean..
don't hit the traps isn't that hard for 99% of the run
but the green pots..
latent moon
just dont hit them
mint coral
Nah
latent moon
just dont hit them anyways lmao
maiden narwhal
i thought i've cornered myself a couple of times
mint coral
I wish there were better tips lmao
latent moon
you can dash through them easily
mint coral
But it really is just not hit them
mint coral
One funny thing about em4 is that pots can overlap too
maiden narwhal
there's this game dustforce
it's so difficult, i couldn't even uncover the entire world map, let alone clear the levels
if you watch "hardest dustforce map ss" or something on youtube
it's something of an eye opener
on how some gamers are just built different
genetics or something
because if i had nothing to do but try to clear that level for the rest of eternity, i wouldn't
even people who like kaizos can't play that game easily
maiden narwhal
One funny thing about em4 is that pots can overlap too
my point was i can't imagine playing this well
i'd have to watch it on youtube
and then that would depress me
because i gave up on ever playing dustforce but i still hope to at least 32 heat hades
mint coral
32 is chill assuming you know what to take (both heat and build I mean)
mystic lark
there's this game dustforce
it's so difficult, i couldn't even uncover the enti...
Looks kinda like celeste
maiden narwhal
Looks kinda like celeste
i gave up real quick on that one too
lavish sorrel
Looks kinda like celeste
I took a look and yeah, it really does look a bit like that LMAO
maiden narwhal
i think it's a lot more involved than celeste. lots more things you can do. dashes and slides and cancels etc
mystic lark
i gave up real quick on that one too
I managed to beat main story, not going for all strawberries and other sides
lavish sorrel
i think it's a lot more involved than celeste. lots more things you can do. dash...
all three of those are things Celeste has to some capacity
maiden narwhal
celeste is like the platformer crucible
dustforce has to chain
one miss and it's all gone
lavish sorrel
one miss and it's all gone
some celeste screens are a bit like that 
||fwfw flashbacks||
mystic lark
i don't think i got that deep in hah
There are lots of new mechanics introduced later in the game
mint coral
My first farewell clear took almost 7 hrs
lavish sorrel
this is massive #video-games territory
maiden narwhal
i didn't even attempt it
trailers gave me anxiety
lavish sorrel
we should move
stiff obsidian
whats the chapter that i ended at
lavish sorrel
7
stiff obsidian
m
torn phoenix
I'm on chapter 2 and it's difficult
vernal willow
it'd be funny if you completed a run fast enough you almost beat hades to the surface so hes like out of breath when you get there
fervent radish
hard labor 5
lasting consequences 2
convenience fee 2
jury summons 3
extreme mea...
What does this come out to?
latent moon
i think like 36
fervent radish
Oh interesting, I thought it would be higher
JS3 and CP2
You just really like playing the game for a while huh
covert hare
it'd be funny if you completed a run fast enough you almost beat hades to the su...
or when you are having a very big win streak
fervent radish
Also EM4 with CP2
covert hare
or when you are having a very big win streak
" i literally return and have to go back inmediately because of how fast are you "
latent moon
so far the fastest has been 2:05 so maybe we'll hit that dialogue soon lmao
vernal willow
i wonder if there are any dialogues referencing win streaks (i wont ever get them cause i suck obv)
fervent radish
i wonder if there are any dialogues referencing win streaks (i wont ever get the...
There are
Hermes will console you when you lose your winstreak atleast
I got it for 13 and 23 I think
vernal willow
what attempt did yall first escape
fervent radish
~20
stiff obsidian
87
covert hare
Hermes will console you when you lose your winstreak atleast
the reason i retired from the game its because i dont want to lose my 50+ win streak
😭
proper tusk
what attempt did yall first escape
44 i think
fervent radish
Lmao that’s real
stiff obsidian
my highest is 11 i never really bothered with them
proper tusk
ive seen ppl who did it in like 12 which is insane to me
fervent radish
You are the src max save
stone rune
i still have a like 130 winstreak on my personal save
covert hare
Hermes will console you when you lose your winstreak atleast
hermes was likely the first Olympian to realize he was being lied about zagreus wanting to escape
mint coral
what attempt did yall first escape
45
covert hare
hermes was likely the first Olympian to realize he was being lied about zagreus ...
he probably even met zagreus in person because of how fast he is
quasi dust
what attempt did yall first escape
Don't remember tbh, I'd have to check
covert hare
i like how hermes is aware of his boons having priority over other Gods keepsakes
" you were expecting to see another person? too bad because i got here faster "
vernal willow
whats your guyses favorite weapon/aspect of weapon
stone rune
beo
quasi dust
whats your guyses favorite weapon/aspect of weapon
I have a feeling I'm gonna get bullied really hard if I say mine
latent moon
only by jazz dw
quasi dust
Eh, screw it
mystic lark
whats your guyses favorite weapon/aspect of weapon
Achilles
quasi dust
Nemesis
mint coral
whats your guyses favorite weapon/aspect of weapon
Rama/beo/zag shield
latent moon
oh jazz wouldn't bully you for that because nem is an actual meta aspect lmao
quasi dust
oh jazz wouldn't bully you for that because nem is an actual meta aspect lmao
Haha niceee
latent moon
nem do be really good
vernal willow
not the furry paws
vernal willow
i like aspect of arthur
quasi dust
I don't use achilles as much as I used to
quasi dust
i like aspect of arthur
Nice
vernal willow
or the laser pointer
quasi dust
Lucifer?
vernal willow
ya
quasi dust
That one's cool too but I'm more of an eris person
Solid pick tho
Also laser pointer lmao
stiff obsidian
That one's cool too but I'm more of an eris person
😃
covert hare
which God is the one that requires the most of your PC
like which God is the most capable of causing frame drops
stiff obsidian
probably zeus
vernal willow
i hope in hades 2 the romance system is more than giving copius amounts of drinks to your friends
stiff obsidian
eris is my fav
covert hare
probably zeus
what about demeter or ares
quasi dust
Sorry
stiff obsidian
why them
latent moon
dem and ares dont really have extra particle effects
covert hare
why them
ares because idk the cast, call is a bunch of blades swinging fast?
and dem summons a large moving snow
stiff obsidian
the cast is just 1 projectile that hits multiple times
latent moon
zeus has a lot of flashy stuff that happens really fast
stiff obsidian
arrtemmis
torn phoenix
Should I prioritise getting artemis legendary for a beowulf speedrun or should I take other boons like hunters mark?
stone rune
Should I prioritise getting artemis legendary for a beowulf speedrun or should I...
u want mirage
mark if its offered and u have atk
otherwise u dont really want more arty
lego isf ake
torn phoenix
Ok
torn phoenix
Thanks
formal citrus
In Ely and my only core boon is level 1 common special doom. Why did I do this to myself
I definitely don't have the patience for that nonsense anymore
onyx siren
Hello I'm here to ask if it is still possible to get a hades music kit for cs2?
rustic vale
ares because idk the cast, call is a bunch of blades swinging fast?
yeah but it’s not like 800 different pngs of blades
Although I think a 1-2 dozen casts with mirage shot and hunting blades might be a bit much for a system
Blizzard shot and mirage shot w/ the same amount of casts might be a bigger issue
limpid lark
Um guys what do you do when you encounter that singing girl on the stage after you beat the first boss
stone rune
Um guys what do you do when you encounter that singing girl on the stage after y...
eurydice?
stiff obsidian
you can try attacking her
limpid lark
I did
limpid lark
I can't get to her
stiff obsidian
dash
proper tusk
you need to dash
stiff obsidian
through the wall or across the lava gap
stiff obsidian
🗿
proper tusk
is there any reason to use fidi/antos/shady/rib
i was going to upgrade them all but i’d rather just trade the ambrosia for blood and max every aspect instead
proper tusk
yeah i can’t think of any time i’d want to use them
proper tusk
i used to use that before i got megs
and i really liked it for theseus bc it never missed and does a lot of damage
but it kind of sucks ass for minibosses so i haven’t used it since then
latent moon
Shady is nice for resources and healing
jagged hamlet
I can't believe someone would try to murder Eurydice
stiff obsidian
i sometimes attack eury for a few mins
covert hare
i sometimes attack eury for a few mins
you all are sociopaths
lavish sorrel
why else would we, for extended amounts of time, be playing a game where you commit patricide every 30 minutes 
echo minnow
i sometimes attack eury for a few mins
i do this with than JDHSJAHDJAM
echo minnow
why else would we, for extended amounts of time, be playing a game where you com...
this is true
lavish sorrel
me when Than pathfinding gets stuck 
mint coral
Me when I forget where Than drops the heart
void vigil
i sometimes attack eury for a few mins
vague peak
i sometimes attack eury for a few mins
Bro, I never do that.
lavish sorrel
you should, it helps relieve stress 😌
vague peak
you should, it helps relieve stress 😌
What?!
mint coral
The only time I hit eury is if I have wet dash
vague peak
The only time I hit eury is if I have wet dash
Bro, fair.
lavish sorrel
What?!
- be me
- high heat, asphodel has been tough
- "finally, a free room!"
- "ok we gamble ambrosia here"
- ambrosia hits the two most useless things, despite odds of it hitting the right thing being good
- "oh it's so over" - Angel, probably
- cry
do you understand 
vague peak
- be me
- high heat, asphodel has been tough
- "finally, a free room!"
- "ok we ...
I’m not going to be you, but I guess I understand..?
lavish sorrel
👀
tawdry fossil
How is forced overtime supposed to help my speed run times? J did a run with it on max along with EM 2 ended up doubling my pb time and lost 2 death defiances💀
vague peak
Also, guys, I’m nowhere close to high heat difficulty yet so…
tawdry fossil
Gonna go back to heat atp
lavish sorrel
How is forced overtime supposed to help my speed run times? J did a run with it ...
Forced Overtime makes enemies spawn in faster
tawdry fossil
Should I aim for Skelly’s first treasure tho?
Not too hard to get with the right pact setup
lavish sorrel
if your build is good, this means you get through waves faster because death isn't real in anyheat speedrunning
tawdry fossil
Forced Overtime makes enemies spawn in faster
Seemed to slow me down it was rlly weird
Probably just need practice
lavish sorrel
yeah because you're not practiced
but once you get a feel for it, it should be free to get a faster time than your PB
tawdry fossil
J got back to the game like a year later
Aiming for either sub 6 or j high heat
I'll practice with it thanks
lavish sorrel
Aiming for either sub 6 or j high heat
sub6? yeah no set your expectations lower. aim for a minute less than you have rn, for now
sub6 we'll see another time
lavish sorrel
I have 1000 hours in the game and no sub6 and no sub7
that should tell you how utterly insane sub6 or lower is
stone rune
with targeted practice u can get there pretty quick
it took me 3 weeks of playing beo to get my first sub6
lavish sorrel
on another note: if you are interested in going fast, may I recommend the hades speedrunning discord server?
vague peak
Wait… what is sub by any chance?
lavish sorrel
it took me 3 weeks of playing beo to get my first sub6
yes but you're good by nature
tawdry fossil
If it's as hard as you say then wtv we'll see
tawdry fossil
Wait… what is sub by any chance?
Below the min mark
mint coral
Wait… what is sub by any chance?
Less than X
So sub 6 is 5:xx
stone rune
idk
lavish sorrel
you're good, accept it
vague peak
Below the min mark
Jeez, that’s fast.
tawdry fossil
it took me 3 weeks of playing beo to get my first sub6
I literally hate playing beo w my life
lavish sorrel
you're a fast learner
stone rune
tawdry fossil
Sucks cuz apparently it's rlly food for speedruns
lavish sorrel
Sucks cuz apparently it's rlly food for speedruns
stone rune
i dont think i was very good
vague peak
Less than X
So sub 6 is 5:xx
Less than X? Sorry, I’m still learning all this stuff!
lavish sorrel
i dont think i was very good
with all due respect, stfu
mint coral
Less than X? Sorry, I’m still learning all this stuff!
X as in whatever the number you want
stiff obsidian
Bro, I never do that.
i like the clanging noises
mint coral
Sub4-5-6 whatever
tawdry fossil
Jeez, that’s fast.
Honestly it was complete luck
stone rune
any sub4 in chat
lavish sorrel
literally look at that clip
yeah what about it? look at my PB, you'll find 11324923485 times more things to complain about
tawdry fossil
Got the two best daedalus hammers and asphodel only had like 2 real rooms
stone rune
i have a gilga sub4 mirrorless run
void vigil
jazz it's ok to not beat heroes in under a second
the hades community has forgiven you
stiff obsidian
https://youtu.be/4NEoJWOAXOM?t=876
wow this is horrible i hope you get over your skill issue immediately
void vigil
🙀
stiff obsidian
atleast it happened
lavish sorrel
"jazz with all due respect stfu" number 2
tawdry fossil
6 more months
💀 no way I was yryna aim for sub 6
tawdry fossil
I SUCK AT BEO
stone rune
u can learn
tawdry fossil
ALL I PLAY IS ERIS RAIL
stiff obsidian
im not going to get a sub6 ever
vague peak
jazz it's ok to not beat heroes in under a second
Well I have beaten bosses faster, I have noticed that…
stone rune
i only played hestia for the first month of my career
lavish sorrel
I SUCK AT BEO
it doesn't take a mastermind to learn at least at a surfacelevel
tawdry fossil
I'll stick to heat for now
stone rune
and then i did 1 beo run and it was a 6:04
stiff obsidian
I'll stick to heat for now
eris heat
tawdry fossil
Lot less fun for me tbh but still wud be fun
stone rune
beo is good
stiff obsidian
eris better
lavish sorrel
ALL I PLAY IS ERIS RAIL
I have played Fresh File for 60% of my playtime, yet I have an acceptable anyheat time now too. using beo.
tawdry fossil
My main issue was my first run I didn't realize you were supposed to load the cast
Eris j way more fun for me cuz it feels really fast
With clockets too
stiff obsidian
yes
lavish sorrel
My main issue was my first run I didn't realize you were supposed to load the ca...
do you read aspect descriptions
lavish sorrel
With clockets too
me when rng hell even in modded
tawdry fossil
<:bouldy:673973170792955936> do you read aspect descriptions
No 🥶
I was j like lemme try it
And lost in styx
tawdry fossil
Absolutely was but I still refuse to do it again
Acc
Maybe I'll give it another shot
If I get a sub 10 r away then I'll grind speed runs otherwise I'm sticking to heat
lavish sorrel
fresh file when
tawdry fossil
Any good builds?
lavish sorrel
tawdry fossil
fresh file when
Never
vague peak
I have played Fresh File for 60% of my playtime, yet I have an acceptable anyhea...
Fresh File is a distant future right now for me at least…
tawdry fossil
Must stay loyal to rail
rustic vale
Seemed to slow me down it was rlly weird
Yeah everyone always needs practice adjusting to the speed change
lavish sorrel
Any good builds?
beo is looking for flood flare (poseidon cast), charged shot hammer, artemis core that crits (preferably attack), mirage shot
and that's your build
other than additional RD + ichors, and cast well items
tawdry fossil
Honestly what was more fun for yall speedruns or heat
rustic vale
Any good builds?
What weapon/aspect do you enjoy the most?
tawdry fossil
I'm rlly having a tough time deciding what to focus on
lavish sorrel
Honestly what was more fun for yall speedruns or heat
fresh file no resets
screw heat, screw speed
rustic vale
Honestly what was more fun for yall speedruns or heat
They’ve felt equally rewarding I’d say
tawdry fossil
What weapon/aspect do you enjoy the most?
Talking ab beowulf but I usually play eris
tawdry fossil
They’ve felt equally rewarding I’d say
Shud I do either first
Was thinking maybe I shud do 32 heat before goin back to speedruns but I'd def burn out
Only going back to hades cuz I have nothing to do for once
rustic vale
Talking ab beowulf but I usually play eris
Eris is just flat damage soup, smthing like zeus strike, static discharge, tidal dash, aphro special -> zeus or dio call and look for smouldering air
tawdry fossil
Eris is just flat damage soup, smthing like zeus strike, static discharge, tidal...
Yea thas always my exact build
Clockets j makes it
Perfection
rustic vale
Are you taking all the chaos and story rooms and shops
tawdry fossil
Idk well what do I even need them for
tawdry fossil
Speedrhns or heat
rustic vale
You want to take them all for speedrunning and heat tbh
tawdry fossil
I do chaos if I feel like it
Aka never
Shud prob do it more
which one do I focus on tho
rustic vale
You want to take them all for speedrunning and heat tbh
Timesave and a bit of a break /breather
plus no shot at dying
Eury and Patty are always valuable for heat
rustic vale
which one do I focus on tho
Personally I started with heat (like 32) (like scratching the surface of high heat) then went to speedrunning till I sub10’ed and now am back at 40 heat
and I’ve found both to be pretty mentally rewarding
lavish sorrel
me omw to spread fresh file propaganda
the most fun and rewarding thing I have done in my life and I am not exaggerating
tawdry fossil
Personally I started with heat (like 32) (like scratching the surface of high he...
Eh I'll probably do that
I grinded speedrunning right away and got sub 8 within 40ish hours
Then burnt out completely and yuh I'm back now
I'll do heat first cuz it's actually a challenge I haven't died in forever
rustic vale
I think I want to get more consistent with heat before I go back to speedrunning and then fresh file
lavish sorrel
again, if you're looking to go fast, you might want to join the hades speedrunning server (linked in #self-promotion pins)
lots of helpful people there
rustic vale
And as long as it’s gameplay tips it should apply to heat as well
even builds don’t change w/ heat aside from ap1-2 and ri making everything less consistent
lavish sorrel
actually, a few exceptions to this
castspects tend to get less and less good when played as a castspect, as heat increases to absurd levels
rustic vale
I wonder y that is
lavish sorrel
DC, and RI making zag lose +2 casts
rustic vale
I figure a castpect would do a better job at dealing with dc
Then like zag
lavish sorrel
zagsword has a higher heat wr than pos sword for a reason
rustic vale
Oh when you said castpect I just thought hera and beo
rustic vale
zagsword has a higher heat wr than pos sword for a reason
That’s… interesting. The only bonus would be to your rd %
i think
stiff obsidian
Oh when you said castpect I just thought hera and beo <:bouldy:52332911693463553...
they are the only castpects
stiff obsidian
That’s… interesting. The only bonus would be to your rd %
pos sword deletes your boiling blood
rustic vale
I mean achilles is too but it doesn’t worry about dc or casts jamming in enemies
rustic vale
pos sword deletes your boiling blood
Oh trueeee
tawdry fossil
Can I still play eris like a melee weapon on high heat or do I acc need to be careful
stiff obsidian
depends
rustic vale
Can I still play eris like a melee weapon on high heat or do I acc need to be ca...
Eh how high beat
lavish sorrel
doesn't "castspect" refer to anything that buff casts in any way
tawdry fossil
I usually just get as close as I can and tank every hit and hope it's not too much
lavish sorrel
Can I still play eris like a melee weapon on high heat or do I acc need to be ca...
depends on heat, yeah
stiff obsidian
if you play modded you can just get delta chamber
tawdry fossil
Eh how high beat
Idk well see how high I grind
rustic vale
doesn't "castspect" refer to anything that buff casts in any way
Yeah but like pos and talos at high heat don’t exist
tawdry fossil
ALSO skipping heat ain't a big deal r
rustic vale
Idk well see how high I grind
What are you calling high heat
Or currently aiming for
lavish sorrel
ok 32 you can still facetank quite a bit
stiff obsidian
i have the perfect video for that
rustic vale
Eris would be fine as a melee weapon as long as you’re careful
lavish sorrel
not entirely as much but still a fair bit
stiff obsidian
https://youtu.be/trsI4IlycnE this run i intentionally facetank a lot just to prove a point
rustic vale
32 heat you can still facetank a lot
tawdry fossil
https://youtu.be/trsI4IlycnE this run i intentionally facetank a lot just to pro...
No like I scc dk how I used to be so scared to take damage
rustic vale
40 is catching me on that now though
tawdry fossil
I rem my first clesr
I was running around in fear holding up my Zeus shield bull rush while stubborn roots filled my health bar
rustic vale
I mean tbh
Hl5 lc4 kind of shocks you back into it
You don’t need to be scared scared
You just need to be a bit more awake
stiff obsidian
you can play as close as you want depending on how precisely you can dash
tawdry fossil
J got home
Yall think I shud try beowulf quickly for a speed run for a real shot or just go straight to heat
Played it once and hated the aspect
lavish sorrel
I think you should try ff
probably do 32 heat first, probably less frustrating
lavish sorrel
Played it once and hated the aspect
neither, I hate the aspect but it's just too strong to be dismissed
tawdry fossil
I'm gonna j go 17 - 20 - 24 - 28-32 hopefully ain't too big of a jump
tawdry fossil
neither, I hate the aspect but it's just too strong to be dismissed <:bouldy:673...
Ig it's j preference
Like I personally use the cast once in a blue moon it's weird having to rely on it
lavish sorrel
Ig it's j preference
if the choice were mine I'd play 
all day because I find it super fun to play
fervent radish
I'm gonna j go 17 - 20 - 24 - 28-32 hopefully ain't too big of a jump
Go from 20 to 32
tawdry fossil
Bet
fervent radish
It’s really not
rustic vale
just do it
✅
tawdry fossil
I got a feeling yall messing w me real hard but I still wanna see what happens
J gotta ditch speed run strats
rustic vale
I got a feeling yall messing w me real hard but I still wanna see what happens
Nuh uh 20 -> 32 heat is a standard jump
fervent radish
tawdry fossil
Nuh uh 20 -> 32 heat is a standard jump
SEE THE NUH UH IS SO SUSPICIOUS RN
fervent radish
Nah I’m serious. Here’s the pact I used for all aspects 32
lavish sorrel
pls join the speedrunning discord server
rustic vale
SEE THE NUH UH IS SO SUSPICIOUS RN
1 -> 20 is building up your skill
By the time you’re at 20 though
The jump to 32 isn’t huge
fervent radish
Chances are you’ve taken most of the standard pacts by 20
rustic vale
although the only thing is if you’re doing 32 like
rustic vale
the recommended way, you have to adjust to lc4/sd
which is an adjustment
But it sets you up nicely for future heat
since by then it’s practically required for 40 up
rustic vale
As you get higher and higher you have to choose between worse and worse remaining options
And lc4 with stubborn defiance turns out to be the lesser evil
lavish sorrel
me when exponential difficulty scaling 
fervent radish
It’s not even that terrible unless you also have HL5
rustic vale
me when exponential difficulty scaling <:zagCry:818343029541699604>
Imagine difficulty scaling was just idk you take 1.1^heat more damage
lavish sorrel
😌
rustic vale
Hitless players push the max heat record to infinity
lavish sorrel
nohit optimal 
rustic vale
Or uh
Instead of damage
JSx
On one hand
That would be atrocious
On the other hand
stiff obsidian
hitless max heat soon
lavish sorrel
dying lament stonks 
stiff obsidian
wheres that one clip
rustic vale
only issue is JS also increases # of waves
so even with dying lament popping off imagine the length of time per room purely from enemies spawning
rustic vale
If only that had fo2
latent moon
Brimstones moment
fervent radish
If only that had fo2
DC and cloners
rustic vale
SEE THE NUH UH IS SO SUSPICIOUS RN
Took a little while to dig back 2 years
It wasn’t a very gamer 32 pact either
mystic lark
Dash-strike on a sword feels kinda wrong. Like it is going not in the way I point my stick to. Maybe it's with any dash-strike, but on word it is pointy, so it feels more.
rustic vale
Dash-strike on a sword feels kinda wrong. Like it is going not in the way I poin...
Do you have zeus dash
It messes up sword dash strikes
mystic lark
Nope, it feels that way even without any boons
mystic lark
Disabling aim assist made it a bit better
But still sometimes feels like it's ~10 degrees of or something like that
rustic vale
But still sometimes feels like it's ~10 degrees of or something like that
It should be going directly where you aim it
Although I do find myself having issues with sword and spear dash strikes the most
And am also a controller player who predominantly plays with aim assist on
vague peak
I found aim assist to be fine for me, but that’s ok.
mystic lark
I played with aim assist all this time, and it is nice for everything except sword somehow
mystic lark
Time to try rail again... I bet it will be 20-ish minutes... If I survive at all, lol
I have 61 clears with the sword on this savefile.And only 13 with rail :D
tawdry fossil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1206739257251864666/...
dw i just beat it
was acc really fun like i havent had such a challenge where i had to worry about getting hit j had to dodge a lot
time was rlly slow tho
drowsy linden
I got a feeling yall messing w me real hard but I still wanna see what happens
20->32 is not big
maybe im just biased because i did 10->32
tawdry fossil
damn really
yea honestly the jump didnt feel crazy
the issue was i accidentally took the health increasing pact and it made the run a lot longer than it should have been
drowsy linden
dont worry i took em4 and died at least 3 times to it
tawdry fossil
omfg
I HAVENT EVEN DONE THAT YET
honestly back when i played ppl made it seem so hard i didnt bother
wtv i j got the last 2 skelly statues in a day no complaints
tawdry fossil
phase 1 always seems to be the toughest one its weird
2nd phase goes by in a couple seconds since he doesnt go invinc as much
drowsy linden
phase 2 doesnt change much, and phase 1 has much more annoying summons
mint coral
he doesn't darkness at all in phase 2 (for normal dad at least)
drowsy linden
he does do darkness on beo
tawdry fossil
that was honestly way too fast ion wanna move to speedrunning right away
any other goals i shud go for before moving onto speedruns
drowsy linden
high heat
tawdry fossil
maybe ill try beowulf
tawdry fossil
do i need to hit an enemy with the EDGE of my bullrush for the casts to hit or does it not matter
tawdry fossil
at least 40-50<:shadethumbsup:1150926794187354162>
ehhh
drowsy linden
do i need to hit an enemy with the EDGE of my bullrush for the casts to hit or d...
the casts pop out at the end
tawdry fossil
ok ykw ill do this
drowsy linden
this includes cshot
tawdry fossil
if i find that i like beo a lot then ill do speedrunning
if i still hate it then ima do higher heat and try for 50
tawdry fossil
the casts pop out at the end
ohh ok so its basically the edge
drowsy linden
use mirage and maybe trippy(with stygian if you do)
tawdry fossil
shud i ever be using my special or regular attack
drowsy linden
use dashstrikes
and then use those to charge up a rush
special is used to snipe witches and brimstones with fiery presence
tawdry fossil
okay
so what do i do in between?
cast takes like 5 seconds to land on the ground
just spam attack?
drowsy linden
use half your casts
generally, you want to go 2/1 on casts
sometimes 1 for weaker enemies
drowsy linden
no
tawdry fossil
and for those smaller enemies like skulls i assume i just do reg attack
drowsy linden
dashstrike them(i think), or charge a cast
charging is for a big group like a numbskull pile thats been spawning for a bit
tawdry fossil
alr lemme go into a run what keepsake do i start w
im thinking i j need a strong cast
tawdry fossil
alr and then arty cast later?
drowsy linden
and then get arty attack
for mirage
you can also go the fun route with trippy flare
tawdry fossil
is rebinding my reload button necessary
drowsy linden
if you do go trippy flare, do not get ice wine as that breaks mirage shot
tawdry fossil
srry im j rlly tryna do good w this weapon
drowsy linden
is rebinding my reload button necessary
no(reload only does stuff with gun btw)
tawdry fossil
and then get arty attack
icic
tawdry fossil
no(reload only does stuff with gun btw)
sorry i mean my cast button
i was gonna rebind it to LT instead of reload
drowsy linden
you do need quick access to the cast button to do really well
it doesnt matter much though
at most 5 seconds saved
mystic lark
Got 17 minutes on the rail. Well, at least I did not die :D
But I really do not vibe with this weapon
tawdry fossil
what aspect you using
drowsy linden
i hate rail because of its complexity
tawdry fossil
personally my favourite
mystic lark
I wat taught from doom and all the other shooters that you must never stand while shooting
tawdry fossil
I wat taught from doom and all the other shooters that you must never stand whil...
honestly especially when you're playing eris
mystic lark
at 4 mins in asphodel
Are you going for speed, or for heat clear?
tawdry fossil
it plays like a melee weapon
you attack, dash, special while reloading and recycle
tawdry fossil
Are you going for speed, or for heat clear?
lit nothing
just giving beo another shot
its my least favourite aspect
tawdry fossil
oh thas gonna be kinda weird coming off of rail
mystic lark
It's always so interesting seeing 5min runs near 30min ones in the victory boasting channel
(Not saying that 30min runs are bad ofc, I hope everyone feels encouraged to post there)
tawdry fossil
honestly when i actually manage to land a perfect cast loaded bull rush its great
but the other times im on the verge of death
j finished asphodel at 7:20 wtf
brisk trail
..........
latent moon
It's always so interesting seeing 5min runs near 30min ones in the victory boast...
lmao every time jazz posts in #h1-victory-boasting
vernal willow
how do i unlock the rizz heart for hypnos
drowsy linden
how do i unlock the rizz heart for hypnos
||die to asterius||
vernal willow
||die to asterius||
how many times?
mint coral
||die to asterius||
wrong quest for him
mint coral
how do i unlock the rizz heart for hypnos
hypnos favor involves getting dialogue from Than and I think nyx until Hypnos starts working better
drowsy linden
oh yeah that questline
i got both at about the same time but the autograph was more memorable
mint coral
so true
vernal willow
is an encounter like the whole escape attempt or like just 1 floor
mint coral
1 combat yeah
vernal willow
what
mint coral
each room you fight = encounter
vernal willow
they should update the game and make hording slash good
drowsy linden
never
vernal willow
||yo what hades just straight up let me go no boss fight or nun||
mint coral
enjoy the ride
vernal willow
||bruh thats it no final boss or nothing ||
tawdry fossil
What are your favorite aspects/builds for pure fun
Tryna do everything that doesn't involve cast
stone rune
beo
upper wolf
World splitter zagsword, rama, rail in general
tepid light
"doesn't involve cast"
"beo"
tepid light
What are your favorite aspects/builds for pure fun
'unkillable arthur' with aphrodite and athena
tawdry fossil
'unkillable arthur' with aphrodite and athena
Oh yea holdup I've never played arthur
stone rune
beo is my favorite aspect for fun
tawdry fossil
Is it fast or one of the slower aspects
tawdry fossil
Ahh damn
stone rune
it can be fun i guess
tepid light
Is it fast or one of the slower aspects
it's slow but it hits like a truck
tawdry fossil
I'll try it anyway
stone rune
but it is not fast
tawdry fossil
I'm thinking lucifer too Hella fast and there's this super soaker build that looks rlly fun
tepid light
but we're talking about 'fun' so who cares if it's bad
tawdry fossil
but we're talking about 'fun' so who cares if it's bad
Exactly I'm getting bored of eris rail all the time
tawdry fossil
And I've basically gotten to Hate everything thay doesn't let me dash spam repeat
stone rune
do nem
stone rune
nem is kinda fun
tawdry fossil
Hestia prob the one exception where it's slow and a little more inputs but still Hella fun
tepid light
if you personally don't have fun with arthur, fine, but no need to do the whole "it's slow and bad" thing when it's just a discussion of fun
tawdry fossil
nem is kinda fun
Yea only usable aspect on sword for me
stone rune
hestia is fast
tawdry fossil
J stack up crits and its crazy
tawdry fossil
hestia is fast
J in a diff way
stone rune
if you personally don't have fun with arthur, fine, but no need to do the whole ...
literally what do u want me to say
tawdry fossil
if you personally don't have fun with arthur, fine, but no need to do the whole ...
I'm gonna try it fs idk why I forgot ab it
I haven't done like
Rama or gilgamesh either
Same w guan yu but spear sucks anyway
tepid light
Rama or gilgamesh either
always good to try out aspects you haven't before, even if you end up disliking them, at least you know afterwards
tawdry fossil
fun aspect
Last time I played spear
I had to stop the game in the middle of each encounter because my thumb kept cramping from all the spamming I was doing on achilles
I'll try it anyway why not
stone rune
gy not high apm
tepid light
I had to stop the game in the middle of each encounter because my thumb kept cra...
ahah, yeah achilles does that
stone rune
this s how i play it https://youtu.be/QB7RU4yJg6Q?si=h5u34_Vvk_vuka53
i suck at it but
west relic
This bone hydra is annoying 😭
vernal willow
nah lowkey disappointed how the main quest ended
covert hare
nah lowkey disappointed how the main quest ended
Reach the epilogue
upper wolf
keep playing overall
wicked sage
does demeter's six heart count as a bond formed? persephone wont bring up the epilogue dialogue
nvm
proper tusk
pretty sure yea
wicked sage
i see it now
proper tusk
i think you need to have done the epilogue for the heart to unlock
primal compass
I equiped my Zeus keepsake going into tartarus and I got an Ares boon instead???
latent moon
as in the very starting boon?
stone rune
was there an erebus gate
latent moon
ares doesnt have any scripted boons
yeah it's either erebus or there's another door with zeus on it lmao
stone rune
occasionally ur keepsake will get overridden if theres an erebus gate that generates with that god on it
primal compass
was there an erebus gate
Is that the same as chaos?
latent moon
no
primal compass
Then no
primal compass
And it was Tartarus before double gates started spawing
I started with a hammer then got darkness then coin then Ares
latent moon
are you sure there isn't another door lol
because that def shouldnt happen
unless you have fated authority and you rerolled the door on accident
primal compass
I dont have fated authority
primal compass
I started with a hammer then got darkness then coin then Ares
Does Tartarus spawn double gates that early?
primal compass
Then I probably just missed one
latent moon
a hard rule for when they can start to spawn
upper wolf
pretty sure I already got double gates on C2
primal compass
Lol I got Zeus the very next room
upper wolf
yeah the keepsake is still forcing it
primal compass
"The Lord of Olympus needs a sense of humor doesnt he?"
Is...is the game mocking me?
stone rune
45s room gave me 64 gold
it can go a little over
because it basically works by
if u have gained over 60 gold
it wont give u more
but if uve gained 59
and it gives u like 10 or something
u still get to 69
maiden narwhal
companion summons don't make you impervious like god calls do?
or did i time it wrong?
maiden narwhal
dropped bouldy in erebus and got smacked immediately for my troubles
are "casuals" expected to 32 heat?
latent moon
i mean it's doable
idk about expected but if you grind for it, it's doable
if you're in the discord then it's a lot easier
since people can help with pact, build, and mirror
maiden narwhal
as in.. casuals have a skill issue
so with your understanding of their skill level
and of how hard 32 heat is
do you think they can?
latent moon
yes
maiden narwhal
cool
latent moon
mostly just depends how much time you're willing to sink into it
idrk your current skill level so it kinda just depends
if you're willing to look the 32 heat guide then it's a lot easier
maiden narwhal
yeah i'm actually stuck for heat rn
i have
em3
middle management
benefits package maxed
fo maxed
i tried doing ap and it sucked so now i'm doing customs
latent moon
yeah don't touch ap, ri, hs, or cp
maiden narwhal
ok that's a good guide
so i can just keep upping the others as i need
i wouldn't play hs if you paid me
idk hs players are masochistic as
maiden narwhal
or incredibly skilled
latent moon
mostly because it's 1 heat and you dont want to add more js or cf
maiden narwhal
it's generally taken at like 40+
so by that time you're expected to have proper zag control
got it
latent moon
generally yeah lmao
at 32 it's mostly decision making and having a good build over mechanics
you still need mechanics but you dont have to be like insane at it
maiden narwhal
by decision making you mean recognising telegraphs?
latent moon
no like boon/door choices
maiden narwhal
ah
latent moon
recognizing telegraphs is more mechanics
maiden narwhal
the credo in rpg has always been "you don't need hp if they're dead"
dps is supposed to be glass cannon
so i apply that here too
do you guys path max health?
latent moon
mm
kinda depends imo
it's not a bad strategy, but i'd only do that starting like elysium
esp since in tartarus and aspho you want to take opportunities to get a better build
maiden narwhal
it's not a bad strategy, but i'd only do that starting like elysium
as in.. you'd start collecting hp in elysium?
maiden narwhal
rn i buy it in shops but never choose the door
so if my build is set by ely, then i can start collecting hp
ok
latent moon
yeah that's fine
buying hearts in shops is fine, although i'd prioritize the boon there if it's important
maiden narwhal
yeah i mean obv i buy the heart after the boon
latent moon
yeah that's fine
upper wolf
there's also the fact that your build doesn't necessarily scale well with other things
poms have (most of the time) diminishing returns
some boons are either useless or borderline useless
If you don't need something, you might as well take the health instead
which is why you can really look for it when your build is done, so around elysium
maiden narwhal
If you don't need something, you might as well take the health instead
this is exactly what ive started doing, when i get a god i don't want
so nice, i'm on the right track
isn't zeus shield the best for m.e because it's the only one you can keep attacking with after to throw it?
stiff obsidian
Technically yes
void vigil
the percentage chance of than showing up ?
i know he will only appear for the first time after you get to elysium, but im not sure about the % otherwise
stiff obsidian
But zeus + jolt builds better and good damage too
echo minnow
i know he will only appear for the first time after you get to elysium, but im n...
yeah ive run into him a few trimes its just been a while :(
i miss my wife
void vigil
i keep thinking this 👆 is a middle finger... i have made that mistake before
lavish sorrel
the percentage chance of than showing up ?
Pretty sure you have to be a few rooms into a biome for him to show up. On a fresh file (in a low% scenario for example) he should appear for the first time in elysium the moment you get to run 7.
void vigil
when your phone brightness is down its hard to tell ok
lavish sorrel
As for %, not quite sure