h1-discussion

[latent moon]

lmao

https://youtu.be/0mo-kXjasZs?t=1802

timestamped for knockback

[upper wolf]

Everytime I see that thumbnail I'm pogging

[latent moon]

community made thumbnail goes hard

[mint coral]

The other day I wasn't pushed back but was holding block so couldn't do anything anyways lmao

[latent moon]

were you in the pulsing area?

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1193650657769558146/what.mp4?ex=65b6b74d&is=65a4424d&hm=66b1991655f765f19496e8dd0cf3fa7066b9fd1b5b814a11a5b7a712ed7079bf&

[latent moon]

you're using beo, not valid evidence

[mint coral]

Lmfao

[latent moon]

kinda upset how that could be valid reasoning lmfao

[mint coral]

When in doubt blame beo

[latent moon]

well you're not like

blocking any damage

there's no "blocked!" thing

[mint coral]

Was holding block cuz I assumed the shockwaves were gonna push me

[latent moon]

yeah

idk man game's weird

maybe ask speedcord about it lmao

because that's "hug dad to win" range but you should've been knocked back

[opaque fable]

huh, level 8 hero tidal flare has the exact same damage as level 10 epic tidal flare

how interesting

[covert hare]

is it normal for me to

not liking gilgamesh at all

[drowsy linden]

most people like it and chiron

though they are considered very bad

[covert hare]

i think i see why

dash special is kinda hard to hit atleast for me

and the fact you are giving enemies more damage

[mint coral]

gilga is certainly one of the aspects

[drowsy linden]

its the short dashes that make gilg bad

longer cooldown, shorter, its buggy, etc

[covert hare]

only for them to receive a little damage

its like an ares main attack but worse

[mint coral]

the funniest fact about gilga is that its dash strikes, w/o mirror or any boon

can't kill a numbskull

[covert hare]

even at max level of aspect

?

[latent moon]

im pretty sure at max level the maim damage does like 400 or something?

[mint coral]

gilga level up only affects the maim dmg

its base kit is the same

[latent moon]

yeah the maim drop damage does 400 at max level so it's neat

[mint coral]

20 dash strike vs 25 hp numbskull

[covert hare]

metapod vs metapod type of match

[bleak tree]

maybe im wrong about how popular it is, but Aspect of Talos is criminally underrated

[mint coral]

worstlos mentioned

[bleak tree]

booooooooooooooo

👎

[mint coral]

[bleak tree]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thumbs-up-thumbs-down-gif-13250218

[mint coral]

I mean it depends where you ask too

if you ask reddit prob most people love it there

cuz it can be sorta fun aspect and most people play casually there

here is just known as bottom aspect mainly

[latent moon]

the top, if not one of the top, talos players said that it has so many techs but still underperforms demeter lmao

you can probably do some neat stuff on it but it's objectively not as strong as demeter

[bleak tree]

[rustic vale]

It definitely isn’t underrated

[drowsy linden]

talos is so good i killed a thug in 10 seconds and then pulled a chariot into my face, it was awesome

it is fun to mess with physics though

[formal citrus]

Does breaching slash work on dash strikes?

[mint coral]

Yeah

Only shadow/cursed don't

[covert hare]

everytime i see a minotaur character in a videogame now im gonna call it asterion

[toxic trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/asterion-gif-20029048

[rustic vale]

Yes, that’s why it’s one of the better sword hammers

[mint coral]

#h2-discussion message
@marble flame to keep the convo
Preferred weapon/what build are you going for/current mirror setup

[marble flame]

tried a lot of different ones, at this second i’m using gilgamesh/drunk/ice

preferred weapon might be hades spear or chaos shield but ironically i think my fastest time is the bow 4th aspect can’t remember name

[mint coral]

I can't tell if you are just doing a cast build here or going for priv status

[mint coral]

Yeah makes sense

In uh, a way

[marble flame]

more like experimenting right now

*i have 0 fist clears at all

[mint coral]

Hades spear can be nice but as any other spear is hammer reloant as hell

And chaos aspect is just sad

Oh yeah might as well mention it
There's a pinned post with a site that compiles builds in #h1-builds-and-combat

Also helps to have some more build knowledge to not just copy the ones there

[marble flame]

i’ve never copied a build ever

i just theorycraft as i play

[mint coral]

You can make basically anything work if you know what you are doing or are stubborn/skillful enough to roll with an underpowered build

[marble flame]

fact is you can’t rely on certain things to show up,

[mint coral]

Hammers is like the main thing that's true for that

[marble flame]

regarding underpowered build, it honestly just feels l ikr everything takes a long time now due to extra event armour

[mint coral]

Or chaos

[latent moon]

you can get a surprising amount of consistency in runs

[marble flame]

you dislike chaos shield? used to be one of the fastest

[mint coral]

Good mirror setup/use of keepsakes makes it easy to just keeo getting what you want

[mint coral]

Uh, out of curiosity

When did you play last time

[latent moon]

chaos shield might've been the fastest in early access if anything lmao

[marble flame]

I’ve done over 400 runs, I have some idea of how the game plays

i’ve been playing since early access

since biome 1 actually

[mint coral]

Yeah there's been changes

[latent moon]

i mean same and you can get a surprising amount of consistency in runs lmao

[mint coral]

Also wow, og player right there

Dark foresight entire existence is one

[marble flame]

you can control only so much

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but you do have a good amount

[mint coral]

And that much is enough

[latent moon]

a player got 46/50 mirage shots out of 50 runs in a row

or something liek that

[marble flame]

i used to run butterfly mainly

could generally get 24% or more

[mint coral]

Yeah is all coming in

[marble flame]

now i’m just seeming to get bogged down and slowed up

[latent moon]

to be more specific:
the player did 2 sets of 50 runs in a row, first set had 43/50 mirage shots
second set got 48/50

so there's definitely a good amount of consistency in your runs if you want there to be

build wise at least

[mint coral]

Like I said earlier
Check the site pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat to at least have a refresh on how to have builds

[marble flame]

lots of values have been changed

to nerf the f**** out of some great combos

[mint coral]

Did you check merciful end

[latent moon]

granted, mirage shot on beo doesn't need that many boons compared to like eris and others, but being able to nail a duo consistently in runs is definitely doable

[jagged hamlet]

% bonuses are additive now! Unsure whether they were ever multiplicative

[marble flame]

it’s the numbers themselves that have changed

[mint coral]

May wanna check all the patch notes

[marble flame]

too many years 😂

i may read it all at some point i’m just generally complaining that the game used to be a lot faster

[mint coral]

Tbh always fun when people from ea join here for me lol

Too lazy to search by myself so someone else to so the comparison

[marble flame]

people from EA?

[latent moon]

early access

[marble flame]

oh early access

[mint coral]

At most we know of some of the old name for the boons/the goofy ones

Shotouts to titan toppler

[marble flame]

one of my favourites was artemis/athena/ares

dash crit - doom

then duo doom extend

[jagged hamlet]

Triple A is still decent, especially because Merciful End

[mint coral]

Oh yeah hunter dash was 100% crit before

And yeah ME got hit hard

Rip dash as pre req

[marble flame]

pls remind me, which boon is merciful end

[latent moon]

ares athena duo

[marble flame]

right

[latent moon]

deflect abilities insta-drop doom

[marble flame]

yeah the best man

[latent moon]

but also crit chance from dash strikes is insane

imagine the doom damage from dash strike -> dash upper with ME

[mint coral]

Artemis also had changes no

Mainly stuff being thrown to duos/hermes

[marble flame]

i’m trying to like gauntlets but haven’t found my groove with them yet

[latent moon]

do the ol' reliable ME

[mint coral]

Gilga dash only

[marble flame]

maim has a negative effect too right? event hits harder

*enemy

[latent moon]

yeah

maim is the thing you use when you're good at gilga and dont get hit

(none of us)

[marble flame]

that’s just devs being antipaths

[latent moon]

(except cherry god bless cherry)

[mint coral]

Shotout to cherry yeah

Weren't gilga and beo some of the last aspects to be added

We know which one got the short end of the stick lmao

[marble flame]

also increasing the armour of everything, means you have no stopping power

which feels psychopathic and lazy difficulty ramp

[mint coral]

Oh yeah you did say that

Is just more armored enemies in general or more hp compared to before

[marble flame]

maybe both?
i’m ok with high hp when you have stopping power

means you manage risks with attention

but armor on everything just makes enemies equivalent to traps in a way

[mint coral]

Huh

[marble flame]

there used to be a decent counter for it, namely boons that did extra armour damage

[mint coral]

Ah makes sense

Now is pretty much all hammers

[marble flame]

technically some of those still exist but the base values or the interactions have changed a lot

[latent moon]

only certian hammers do extra damage to armor, and some of them are kinda mid lmao

[mint coral]

But still that's certainly a difference in experience lol

[marble flame]

that’s what i’m findingyeah

[latent moon]

breaching skewer

[mint coral]

Like even when starting I didn't have much issue with ely/styx armored

[opaque fable]

plenty of weapons just don't care about armor and 3/4 bosses don't have any

[mint coral]

Except anthony/big crystal

[opaque fable]

wait does em0 lernie not have armor

lame boss

[mint coral]

Those w/o good builds/summons suck so much

[marble flame]

eh lernie never an issue really

theseus can still be annoying with certain weapons

[drowsy linden]

it should

[mint coral]

Heroes can be hard but that's cuz the bull exists

Also depends on the goal

Lernieis a menace at heat

[marble flame]

it’s the front facing shield that is annoying

[chilly gorge]

first thing I do is drop Morty on em

[mint coral]

And lernie tax in speedruns is funny

[marble flame]

and yeah lernie on high heat can be annoying

[mint coral]

Dealing with the shield is fine

Baiting spin attacks is ez

[marble flame]

as i said, hard with some weapons

[opaque fable]

lernie tax exists because i keep standing in the lava cracks

[mint coral]

Or be beo and don't care

[opaque fable]

and losing 200 hp

[chilly gorge]

lava cracks sux

[marble flame]

i mean, if you’re taking your time none of them are that problematic

but when you are trying to rush, it’s a serious pita

[latent moon]

the always spawn facing the right, so stand to the left of them for free damage before they attack

[mint coral]

That was about theseus lol

Theseus now is pretty much ignore till bull dies/bait spin attack and dash through it, hit and repeat

Then bully him when he goes on call

[latent moon]

Oh lmao oops

[marble flame]

that’s essentially what i do, just saying that it’s another thing that slows you down

[mint coral]

Or have the dmg to just nuke both out of existence

[covert hare]

In em3 I do the opposite tho

Go for Theseus so I can fully focus on asterion later

[marble flame]

just being slowed down in general is really the main difference between the game feel now, and how it felt a few years ago

[mint coral]

Em3 theseus is a bigger mosquitoe

Sometimes he'll trap you between him and a spin but he basically just vibes through the fight

Biggest treat is him eating up acorn charges

[marble flame]

also, has athena dash changed? i feel like it used to essentially let you iframe through hades spin

[opaque fable]

minigun chewing acorns is rough

[jagged hamlet]

Until you learn to ultrarush, that is!

[opaque fable]

can't deflect through large spin iirc

[mint coral]

You don't need her dash to iframe through it but yeah can't deflect

[marble flame]

ah so i’m NOT crazy thanks for confirming

[mint coral]

Another change of deflect vs dad is the skulls iirc

[jagged hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTR1bVRrFXo

[mint coral]

Deflect now pops the skulls on the ground

[marble flame]

right yeah

[mint coral]

And shield block makes them disappear

[marble flame]

puts you in goop

all these changes and they never gave us a hephaestus trinket

[mint coral]

What would it do anyways

[marble flame]

it would make hammer show up presumably

[mint coral]

Hammers are basically shoved in your face so eh

[marble flame]

i swear i’ve done a bunch of runs with insufficient hammers

[mint coral]

Sounds nice for the hammer needy weapons but missing 1 god keepaake sounds rough

Switch to dark foresight if you haven't already

[opaque fable]

3rd hammer wouldn't change much

[jagged hamlet]

It's possible to forgo hammers by continuously dodging them or by being unlucky

[marble flame]

fated tends to work out better

[jagged hamlet]

How's that

[mint coral]

Hm?

Do you mean fated authority/persuasion

[marble flame]

right

where you dice roll the boons

[mint coral]

Foresight is the alternative to olympian favor

I think at some point it outright didn't work but now is practically the best mirror skill

[marble flame]

wait what does dark foresight do again?
sorry for old knowledge

[mint coral]

Boosts chances to see golds laurel rooms by +20%

[marble flame]

ah yeah

[opaque fable]

20% more likely for gold laurels (money, heart, boons, hammers, etc) to show

[marble flame]

i have that flipped on sometimes

[mint coral]

Basically makes blue laurel stuff non existent

[marble flame]

at least, tried it

[opaque fable]

should always be on

[mint coral]

^

Favor is technically not bad (hermes moment)

[opaque fable]

the power you lose from dropping like 5 room rewards or something is so bad

[marble flame]

you don’t value the rare or better boon perk?

[mint coral]

But foresight is just too strong

Favor is just rare

Unless it was or better before

[opaque fable]

gods pride is where its at

40% rare

[jagged hamlet]

Rarity is whatever for many boons

[mint coral]

The thing with the rare bonus is that won't matter if you barely see boons

And yeah

You can offset common vs rare with poms easily (which you'll get)

[marble flame]

that seems like another change, there seems to be less encounters per biome

[opaque fable]

iirc biomes are 12/6/8 rooms before endshop

[mint coral]

Aspho is so baby

[opaque fable]

aspho size catches me off guard constantly

i always mistime chaos boons and have to fight lernie with some awful curse

[finite thorn]

14.53.81 new record woohoo. I didnt even drop Impending doom, I got three rooms in the Styx, I made some big mistakes too (and I keep farming at the same time, even though shouldnt make a big difference)

[mint coral]

Aspho is the king of missing your god keepsake

[marble flame]

there are more special rooms too

random fountains etc

[finite thorn]

Didnt get Eurydice didnt get Patrocle, dont have a companion yet...

[opaque fable]

sub 15 is very nice

[finite thorn]

I guess I can sub 12 with a bit of practice

Good thing of the run is that I got ME early

[mint coral]

I assume your mirror is not at full yet either

[marble flame]

it’s full

[finite thorn]

Just missing one reroll dice

(Ah you're not talking to me xd)

[mint coral]

That was for anastole

[finite thorn]

Ah you are

[mint coral]

No need to wonder for you

[finite thorn]

Not sure the reroll dice would have made a difference in this one run though

[mint coral]

Can be make or break for hermes/extra support

[marble flame]

my renovations are essentially complete also

[finite thorn]

Im so sad I didnt get impending doom at all...

[marble flame]

had full ending and olympian feast etc

[opaque fable]

reading the beowulf boon doc has leveled up my rng so much

[finite thorn]

But it's super cool cause it means I have a big room for improvement apart from pure skills

[opaque fable]

mirage shot before lernie is pretty common now

[mint coral]

Always a time save for the next run

[mint coral]

Praise for beobug

[opaque fable]

what excellent folks in the hades speed community

[stone rune]

someone on the reddit posted a screenshot of their kid beating the game

[opaque fable]

amazing resources

[stone rune]

comment: “this post violates rule 2 and 4”

the reddit mods do love deleting posts for no reason

[finite thorn]

Hmm still no way to give that ambrosia to Meg though...

[opaque fable]

it's still up for me?

[finite thorn]

I need that companion 😦

[finite thorn]

Omg karma. I went back to the room after my run, Meg was talking to Nyx. So I wrote this sentence. Now I just went to my room and came back and FINALLY can give ambrosia to Meg.

Need to complain more often

[mint coral]

It was a random person coment it seems?

Not a mod so eh

[finite thorn]

So if I understood well, they play 9 heat for the Hydra map in speedrun

I have so much difficulties to clear that Hydra map, I go faster with the original map lol

Gonna need a specific training on this I guess

[jagged hamlet]

Smack as many heads simultaneously as you can

[latent moon]

em2 is better because you can group more heads at a time and it's less running around

if you go around in a circle, it'll be a smaller circle

[marble flame]

finally got a fists clear lol

[steep condor]

can't find it. did they say what age the kid was?

asking bc with the themes etc i wouldn't let anyone younger than a teen play the game, but also it's not an easy game

[jagged hamlet]

Is it this one?
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/198x6fa/been_playing_with_my_12_year_old_daughter_taking/

Or at least it contains the exact quote jazz quoted

[stone rune]

the themes??

said she was 12 but like…

there was someone who let their 4yo play a while ago

[jagged hamlet]

Nekkid lady for one! Rebelling against dad for another

Boooooooooooze

[stone rune]

i didn’t notice aphrodite was naked till like 150h in

lol

[steep condor]

violence, implied sex scenes, etc

12 seems sensible

[stone rune]

the chance of one of the parchment work scenes happening during the play is so minuscule

especially since it was the first win on the file

[steep condor]

look, i'm not judging, i'm just saying i personally wouldn't

[stiff obsidian]

Implied in such a way that u wouldn't understand if you don't know

[steep condor]

oh. sorry, guess i phrased it wrong then

[stiff obsidian]

A 12 yo would genuinely think they are working on parchment work

Or not, I'm not 12 yo anymore

[jagged hamlet]

Kids these days know too much

[steep condor]

oh wait, i misunderstood what you were saying

[jagged hamlet]

They're not hecking innocent anymore

[steep condor]

yeah, a 12 year old would know

[stiff obsidian]

🧌

[stone rune]

i mean

[stiff obsidian]

Idk I group 6-14 as 6 yo

[stone rune]

i was 12 like less than 6 years ago

[stiff obsidian]

👍

[stone rune]

i would probably have known that part

it’s just like

there are very high requirements for that scene

[jagged hamlet]

jazz, you're literally a baby oh my word

[stone rune]

and there are only like 3 of them

[stiff obsidian]

I let my sister play and she's 11

After about 3 hours she reached midshop

[stone rune]

lmfao

what aspect

[stiff obsidian]

On a fresh file

[steep condor]

true. probably the issue is more that i wouldn't want my kid (younger than 12) to sink 200 hours into any video game

[stone rune]

no shade but i’d have made it to c12 by then

[stone rune]

it was like

for an hour or something wasn’t it

anyways i think i already had 2000+ hours in gd by 12

maybe that’s just me

[stiff obsidian]

A clear would take more than an hour

[stone rune]

it wasn’t a fresh file though

although they did have aph atk fists lol

[stiff obsidian]

Still

And it's a 12 yo

I'd take an hour to get used to the controls alone

[stone rune]

i’m built different

[stiff obsidian]

Yes

[stone rune]

imo

by age 12 i already sucked at various roblox games

[stiff obsidian]

what is 12

[jagged hamlet]

I...can't recall what it was like to be 12. What grade was I even in

[stiff obsidian]

1st grade?

same

[jagged hamlet]

High five! ✋

[stiff obsidian]

😤 🖐️

im only 19 tho i just have horrible memory

[jagged hamlet]

Wha- what the

[stone rune]

i was in 9th💪💪

i think at least

[stiff obsidian]

wat

[stone rune]

10th actually

[stiff obsidian]

:Dread:

[stone rune]

i had to do some complicated counting

[stone rune]

i skipped 2 grades

[stiff obsidian]

bro speedran school

[stone rune]

but then i moved to a rlly hard school and un skipped

[stiff obsidian]

no skips

u went to elysium

💯

[jagged hamlet]

Getting charged by meowing minichariots IRL

[stiff obsidian]

true..

arthur is good wow

[stone rune]

wat

[jagged hamlet]

Big crunchy hits

[stone rune]

small crackly hits

but it’s more like small toothpicky hits

[stiff obsidian]

i didnt expect to sub2 tart with it

[stone rune]

i mean

u can do that on anything

[stiff obsidian]

*u

i swear it is better than nemesis

[stone rune]

hmmmmm

[stiff obsidian]

sub30 lernie 🧌

nvm

[latent moon]

bro got elysiumed

[stiff obsidian]

elysium was fine i just dont know how to attack

[latent moon]

mood

[stiff obsidian]

i had midshop chaos patty

[latent moon]

oh lmao rip

were you doing normal attacks on arthur?

arthur speed does only dash strikes

[stiff obsidian]

🙂

i should try lightning strike with splitting bolt

[latent moon]

based

just flat damage soup it

[stiff obsidian]

i was mostly dashing because it kills most enemies

[latent moon]

aspect of tidal dash moment

but try dash strikes only

[stiff obsidian]

nah i was going for sub9

i got it

[latent moon]

i will say that with tidal dash the timing is pretty tight and there's a narrow window to actually hit

oh lmao fair enough

[stiff obsidian]

but it was like sub8 pace until c32

[latent moon]

happens

[stiff obsidian]

now i do flurry zagsword

maybe with plume

[latent moon]

plume zag sword is kinda fun once you get rd

well tbf it's only fun if you get rd

[stiff obsidian]

because that happens all the time

[latent moon]

i mean with plume you get 2 chances at rd lmao

but also if you're doing plume zag sword if you dont get rd then your damage doesnt exist

unless you have hella chaos

and rng into tidal dash and aphrodite/artemis attack on top of that

[stiff obsidian]

are survival rooms decided in the previous room like fountains?

or is it only decided after u enter like styx tunnels

[latent moon]

that's a speedcord question lmao

unless jazz knows it i guess

or cgull happens to see this

[stone rune]

after enter

in any practical sens

because you can’t miss a survival

[stiff obsidian]

yeah thats what i was asking

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1197439547173245000/image.png?ex=65bb457b&is=65a8d07b&hm=2b9f9fbdb75dbfc21ab79ec7bdc196dde83d33486f0c7f62edb6457cba5c052c&

what would u take

[stone rune]

billowing

[stiff obsidian]

i took jolt it worked out

[finite thorn]

Is there any guide on how to farm ressources fast? I guess have to go with Poseidon

[stiff obsidian]

take every trove and yes poseidon

[finite thorn]

No specific farming strategy?

[stiff obsidian]

go fast

i guess

[finite thorn]

Haha

Ok I might try a Poseidon/Zeus build with fists then. And check how it goes

[stiff obsidian]

good luck

chaos has darkness increasing boons as well

[finite thorn]

Need 2000 darkness for my last reroll dice

[stiff obsidian]

finish stuff from the fated list

[finite thorn]

Is it time worthy? Doesnt look so to me

[stiff obsidian]

what do you mean

[finite thorn]

Looks like it takes time to complete and rewards are not that great for this

[latent moon]

go for pos and dio duo and go to every chaos gate

and pray you get eclipse buffs

[finite thorn]

Whats that ?

[latent moon]

more darkness, gems, and gold rewards

start with poseidon since you also need ocean's bounty, and luckily every weapon can use poseidon start in some way

[chrome heath]

Dark thrist?

[latent moon]

yeah

i kinda implied that softly with how every weapon can use poseidon but it's a bit of a stretch lmao

[brisk trail]

I once done a Artemis and demerir build with the second upgrade of the bow and arrow 🏹 weapon and it was so overpowered especially if you get the legendary DUO aspect power up so I got the frozen beam and the hunter mark or something like that when I ever cast my ice beam they would seek the enemy

[stiff obsidian]

new copypasta just dropped

[tepid light]

I once done a Artemis and demerir build with the second upgrade of the bow and arrow 🏹 weapon and it was so overpowered especially if you get the legendary DUO aspect power up so I got the frozen beam and the hunter mark or something like that when I ever cast my ice beam they would seek the enemy

[stone rune]

I once done a Artemis and demerir build with the second upgrade of the bow and arrow 🏹 weapon and it was so overpowered especially if you get the legendary DUO aspect power up so I got the frozen beam and the hunter mark or something like that when I ever cast my ice beam they would seek the enemy

[finite thorn]

So wiki says I need 7 hearts with Meg, 7 with Skelly, 4 with Hades to be able to use Meg against Hades

But do I need to trigger a specific dialogue or just this?

[finite thorn]

Do you think there are still some undiscovered builds that could compete in best speedrun times? Or do you think we've tried all already haha

[stone rune]

no

[brisk trail]

Did you guys just copy what I wrote lmao

Get a new hobby

[stone rune]

wat

i mean it was very funny

and also it takes half a second to copy a message

[brisk trail]

😑

Whatever

[stone rune]

but anyways

i don’t think there is really anything that will compete with beo that isn’t done by croven or 185

[sour fog]

There is a dialogue with Hades

where he'll tell you that he'll allow them to help you

[finite thorn]

Oh ok thanks

So I will just reset runs to distribute hearts

[steep condor]

it is kinda mean though

[olive mantle]

Can I add the extra heat to 64 in my normal save file?

[sour fog]

if you mean that you want to have 64 heat without hell mode then no

only with mods possibly

[brisk trail]

It was expected from people who have no life and think anything could be funny

[upper wolf]

bruh

I understand they were rude to you

that doesn't give you a free pass to be rude to them

also you're on discord, and a gaming discord furthermore, no one here has a life

[void vigil]

Don’t make fun of people for no reason and then chalk it up to a joke, but there’s also no reason to insult people back. Just be nice to each other.

Just because people type in a way that is funny to you and don’t have as much time in the game as you to stick to meta, doesn’t mean you can mock their messages right in here

And personal insults are also not welcome here

There are like 3 rules and they’re not asking much, please consider them

Man I just woke up I thought those reacts were middle fingers. Thanks for seconding but could you imagine

[upper wolf]

Thanks for double checking and not nuking me out of the surface of the Earth

[stiff obsidian]

LOL

[rustic vale]

Real copypastas are actually written with intent to be copied

[steep condor]

on another server, i used an emoji for months regularly thinking it was a thumbs up until someone asked "why are you reacting to this with a middle finger"

[void vigil]

LOL oh no

[void vigil]

And eaten with some nice tomato sauce

[true oak]

Hera- do i take the 46% cast or the +1

it's +1 right?

[mint coral]

Is this your first +1?

[true oak]

yes

first chaos

[mint coral]

Yeah I'd take the stone there

Not an hera expert tho

[true oak]

ok i guess more utility but less damage

[stiff obsidian]

You could see it as 46% additive vs 33% multiplicative

[true oak]

i think they're both kinda additive but multiply together

because if you get another +1 it adds to 67%, not multiplies

[mint coral]

More than just the dmg the extra stone is the utility to juggle casts between more enemies

[true oak]

also ff increases cast damage right?

[rustic vale]

More casts isn’t additive

More cast would be *(casts+1)/(casts)

[rustic vale]

FF increases all damage aside from companions

and maim

[true oak]

not that it's important, but that means it is additive to itself

[stiff obsidian]

What is fg

Ff

[true oak]

it's a 33% buff to essentially base cast number of 3

[mint coral]

Fam favs

[stiff obsidian]

Oh

[rustic vale]

Ig

It’s way easier to get additive

then more casts

[true oak]

what %buffs are there to cast

like chaos, shackle, dad call, ravenous will, billowing strength?

uhh i guess stuff like sweet surrender

[mint coral]

Rush delivery

[rustic vale]

every global damage buff

[mint coral]

Charon well has both +50% cast dmg and +1 cast

[stiff obsidian]

Urge to kill 😍😍

[true oak]

i don't think there are really that many global buffs

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t consider shackle as cast +%

[true oak]

maybe 1 or 2 by the end

lol shackle

not important though

[mint coral]

Rush delivery is all you need

[rustic vale]

Rush delivery, sweet surrender, dad call, rav will, billowing strength are all global

[upper wolf]

also the one from ares

bonus damage after popping DD

[rustic vale]

Rush delivery is also just the best source of it

[upper wolf]

one of my favs from him ngl

[mint coral]

Great uc fodder

[upper wolf]

Also true

[rustic vale]

family favourite is also global +%

[upper wolf]

Ares' boons are sad if you're not going ME or Hunting Blade

[mint coral]

There's also eris for global too

Targeting system/maim too

[rustic vale]

It’s Hera right? Sweet surrender is practically a shoe in

[true oak]

no i don't have sweet surrender offered

i was just trying to think of global damage boons

[mint coral]

Not really?

Unless I'm forced into taking a 2nd aphro

[rustic vale]

I guess

[true oak]

hera doesn't really need that many boon though i think

and there's not much else from aphro

[rustic vale]

I feel like there are enough 1 chamber exit rooms for you to end up with at least 1 aphro

[true oak]

if you were intentionally gunning for her?

[rustic vale]

normally you do for crush shot

[true oak]

which i wouldn't really

wait what that's normally c1

with her keepsake

[rustic vale]

Crush shot

yeah

And what I was saying was

If you start aphro you have the entire run to end up with her from 1 choice chambers

[true oak]

oh right i get you

the only other valuable boon is pretty much life affirmation?

oh and the duos

[mint coral]

Is neat

Non pommable so I'm not complaining

[rustic vale]

There’s also like

The odds of her being one of the 2 miniboss rooms

[mint coral]

Aspho mini is prob gonna be your keepsake god

[empty lintel]

someone have tips for going like sub 14

where can i find good speedrunning kinda stuff?

a starter pack or something 🤣

[brisk trail]

You act like you know everything - I’m ignoring this

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI?si=X7c-Ene_6aagn8kw

Text version in description

[empty lintel]

thanks mate

[fiery quartz]

does zeus and poseidon duo proc zeus legendary?

[true oak]

no, you need a secondary zeus boon

high voltage, double strike preferrably, or chain lightning

the prereqs are all in the wiki or codex

[fiery quartz]

i meant if the lightning from the duo activates the lightning orb from the legendary

[true oak]

oh sorry misread that

afaik yes

[fiery quartz]

ok thx

[steep condor]

with merciful end, what exactly is meant by "doom combo damage"?

[raw herald]

Every time you use a deflect move on an enemy with doom, it takes the doom damage plus a bonus 40 damage

[steep condor]

ah, it's simply added. was worried for a moment it would replace the regular doom damage

but then thought, i'd have noticed that before

thx

[latent moon]

Undiscovered builds that could compete for best times? Overall probably not but for like bad aspects maybe lmao

Namely like hades spear

Maybe less of builds and more of techs idk

[stiff obsidian]

how tf are you supposed to buiild hades spear

it is hot garbage

[quasi dust]

which aspects are best for speedrun times then?

[upper wolf]

artemis, either special with exploding + charged, or dash-strike with serrated

but other than that it becomes an aspect of rod/smair

[stiff obsidian]

ill just try to play it as zagspear without flurry jab

[mint coral]

Or also as you already did

Slap ME on it

[stiff obsidian]

pos sword left for sword

[lavish sorrel]

(sadness)

[stiff obsidian]

ME got boring fast after hunting for it on sword

[stiff obsidian]

🙂

sub9 should be alright though

luckily i got over iwht hades spear in 3 tries i would not be able to play that excuse for an aspect any more than that

[empty lintel]

hey man whats the meaning of unmodded and modded runs?

[mint coral]

Modded is through the speedrun modpack that is done to basically reduce some of the biggest punishments that can happen by rng

There's stuff like first hammer is the one you want, fountain indicators/asterius/barge of death/tiny vermi removed as minibosses

Always 2 sack

You get more runs going instead of reset hell is a way to see it

[devout terrace]

unmodded bad

👍

[stiff obsidian]

👎

[mint coral]

It doesn't magically make your times better but is consistent

[latent moon]

Beowulf, Hera, Achilles

Hestia and eris are good too

[mint coral]

Also so true internet celebrity angel

[stiff obsidian]

mfw thumbsup typos to thumbsdown

[empty lintel]

gotcha thanks

[latent moon]

It’s okay you're emphasizing how bad unmodded is

[empty lintel]

whats ur main weapon?

[stiff obsidian]

true

[empty lintel]

like best time

[mint coral]

Beowulf rn

But I use more eris/achilles tbh

[latent moon]

Beowulf kinda broken

[empty lintel]

why beowulfs so op?

duo arte/poseidon?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[latent moon]

Mirage shot is bugged on it to deal 100% instead of 30% yeah

[devout terrace]

playing this game still is crazy

[latent moon]

So true bestie

[mint coral]

True

[empty lintel]

just started

[devout terrace]

I literally have nothing left to do im grinding Furi

Im 13th place

[mint coral]

I pretty much moved on to celeste

[empty lintel]

whats furi?

[devout terrace]

really really good indie action boss rush

[latent moon]

Weren't you trying to do like 60 heat on sword/fists/spear or something

[devout terrace]

yeah but its superficial and not enjoyable

[latent moon]

Fair enough

[devout terrace]

I throw a few runs at it a month

[stiff obsidian]

i am debating learning em4

[devout terrace]

do it

56 em3 is literally just 60 difficulty until em4

you will get more chances to learn the same heat em4

[upper wolf]

Angel1C suffering from success, needs 65 heat now u_u

[devout terrace]

than with em3 you feel awful and terrible if you choke dad

[upper wolf]

there's always the more pact mod

[devout terrace]

because thats really hard work

[lavish sorrel]

true but

[devout terrace]

what else is going to give me 500k+ views

ive been uploading my Furi achievements unlisted because I know the entire channel would die if I didnt lol

[upper wolf]

Just do another Haelian surprise collab

[devout terrace]

I have a huge audience that will never come back lmao

[upper wolf]

you could make it like a monthly event

[empty lintel]

just saw a sub 3 run lol, in that time im hitting meg

[upper wolf]

Haelian says something he thinks is almost impossible, you do it anyway

[devout terrace]

I mean it doesnt matter youtube denied my request for monetization

due to repetitive content

[upper wolf]

what

[stiff obsidian]

🗿

[lavish sorrel]

[devout terrace]

Im serious

[upper wolf]

that's a dumb policy

[lavish sorrel]

she speedruns and challenge runs what's repetitive about that

[stiff obsidian]

they probably took one look at the asphodel thumbnails

[upper wolf]

Man, duck youtube

send youtube to tartarus

[lavish sorrel]

make youtube employees beat 64 heat 👍

[quasi dust]

@latent moon ight, I'll work on those then since I'm trying to get faster times. Thanks :))

[upper wolf]

Can't wait for an open source alternative. Any day now

next angel achievement : making a youtube replacement

[stiff obsidian]

yeah i rly want to do 60 but it is so unfun

[upper wolf]

just need haelian to make a video about how youtube is so implemented it's too hard to change

[latent moon]

I mean tbf anything works to lower your time, just depends how low you want to go

And how much easier you want it to be

[quasi dust]

I see

I'll do some digging

Thanks again

Actually now that we're on it

Are the Twin fists good for fast times?

[lavish sorrel]

possibly the worst weapon of the six

just in general

I like fists but damn they're bad

[mint coral]

The real question before getting into fists zooming

Do you enjoy merciful end builds

[latent moon]

Fists work fine if you're going for sub10

If you find them fun then you're gonna do better on them probably

[lavish sorrel]

(I still don't have sub10 fists )

[latent moon]

How long have you tried for that

[lavish sorrel]

I used to main fists

[mint coral]

My first sub 10 fists was with the fusion mod lmao

[lavish sorrel]

and gave them another week recently

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

I mean it’s still doable

[stiff obsidian]

gilgamesh was my first fist sub8

[latent moon]

Based

[lavish sorrel]

based

[quasi dust]

Crap😭😭😭

[latent moon]

For unmodded tho it took me a couple tries for sub10 fists iirc

So idk lmao

[quasi dust]

I love them ngl

[stiff obsidian]

you did all weps unmodded sub10?

[latent moon]

I used to main fists too but I don't really play fists all that much

[latent moon]

Yeah

Achilles was harder because I have flurry jab brain rot

[stiff obsidian]

understandable

[quasi dust]

I have hades on switch so I don't want to risk modding it

[latent moon]

Sword was harder too because double edge moment

[quasi dust]

💀

[latent moon]

And I didn't want to do ME so I kinda needed dedge lol

[lavish sorrel]

yep mods only really work on pc unfortunately

[quasi dust]

Ah well😭😭

Also probably a dumb question but I'm still new to this, what do you mean when you say sub10 or sub8? Are you referring to the heat level?

Oh and also ME

What is that

[latent moon]

Sub10 means under 10 mins in game time

ME is merciful end

[quasi dust]

Ahhh

[lavish sorrel]

sub- -> less than
number -> in minutes

[quasi dust]

Ok ok

Thanka

**thanks

[latent moon]

Did someone link the sleepsoul speedrunning video guide yet

[quasi dust]

God I really need to get better at this, my times are hot garbage rn

[rustic vale]

number in minutes

pretty sure you meant seconds

[lavish sorrel]

I sure do love my 10-second speedrunning time

[latent moon]

I mean tbf times don't matter too much except for tight deadline lmao

[quasi dust]

Wait then how do you complete Hermes' quest?

Or prophecy

[latent moon]

What was his prophecy I don't remember lol

[quasi dust]

I might've misread it or smth

I have to look holdup💀💀

[rustic vale]

His favour is just plume no?

[stiff obsidian]

his thing requires you to beat the bull or something ??idk

no beat

charon

twice in a row

[jagged hamlet]

Do you mean beating Charon 2x in a row?

[stiff obsidian]

i think

[quasi dust]

oh wait nvm

[rustic vale]

Oh wait it is Charon twice

[quasi dust]

I alr did that

[latent moon]

Lmao

[rustic vale]

What was I one about with his plume

[quasi dust]

I got confused

Sorry

[jagged hamlet]

Whew managed to sneak that between False Side's messages

[quasi dust]

Wasn't there smth abt completing the game fast?

[lavish sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142115080809488464/1197593699119530036/image.png?ex=65bbd50c&is=65a9600c&hm=5468e8a6995efb0ccbb601bd35d826bc7d6911dad2d0a8026771f3cdb27f4303& tbh who needs dedge for sub10 or sub9

[quasi dust]

Besides tight deadline?

[mint coral]

There are victory screen messages

[latent moon]

There's a steam achievement for like 20% on plume or something

[mint coral]

For sub 15 and sub 12

Iirc

[jagged hamlet]

No permanent rewards for quick wins

[quasi dust]

Ah ok

Good to know

[latent moon]

You have epic lunge, which is just dedge at home

[lavish sorrel]

so true

[quasi dust]

Can't, I'm on switch😭😭

[latent moon]

Lmao yeah

[quasi dust]

I rlly need to get pc games fr

[stiff obsidian]

i think i did flurry slash a hour or two ago

[jagged hamlet]

Ah the sweet relief of no achievements 😌

[quasi dust]

(My computer can barely run anything)

I replied to the wrong message nvm

💀💀

[stiff obsidian]

yeah i figured

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Run end message

If your run is sub12

[quasi dust]

Srry

[stiff obsidian]

its ok lol

[rustic vale]

It’s not anything special beyond the fact that it’s cosmetic on your victory screen

[lavish sorrel]

smol number good

[quasi dust]

Discord on mobile is funky

[mint coral]

The sub 15 and sub 12 msgs are annoying cuz they have priority

[rustic vale]

I mean the phrase

[quasi dust]

I'd like to try it ngl. I'll see what I do

[lavish sorrel]

"The first of many?" victory tag supremacy

[rustic vale]

Don’t set high expectations for how quickly you’ll be able to get there

sooner = better but don’t beat yourself up if it takes a while

[mint coral]

What about.
Few tales are told of hades supremacy

[normal saddle]

fr

[lavish sorrel]

I agree

the third-best part of ff

[quasi dust]

Oh I won't dw, I've already come to terms with the fact that I'm not good💀

[mint coral]

Couldn't be me

[jagged hamlet]

You and jazz both

[mint coral]

I haven't updated this app in months

[rustic vale]

Disxord on mobile isn’t that hard

[stiff obsidian]

ff would be so fun if it was literally any other weapon

[quasi dust]

I have it on pc but fetching my phone is way faster

[jagged hamlet]

Arthur

Gilgamesh

[stiff obsidian]

arthur is still a sword

[jagged hamlet]

Ur still a sword

[quasi dust]

My beloved

[lavish sorrel]

that's insulting, there's nothing I find more fun than mono-dash sword

[stiff obsidian]

gilgamesh sounds easy because ME is stonks

[mint coral]

Do fresh file runners just know this speech by heart at this point or what

[lavish sorrel]

yes

[mint coral]

Amazing

[normal saddle]

I want to get them but idk how

[mint coral]

#h1-story-discussion pins

[quasi dust]

I think asterius gives you the phrase for it

I don't remember ngl

[lavish sorrel]

"Few tales are told of Hades, whose very name inspires fear and penitence, reminding us of the inevitable fate which we all share. I, however, mean to tell you such a tale. Listen carefully."

[normal saddle]

what does that mean

[stiff obsidian]

i dont even know what penitence means

[quasi dust]

Same

[lavish sorrel]

"respect" iirc

[stiff obsidian]

makes sense

[rustic vale]

Zag bow ff

[mint coral]

Do you have the 4th aspect of the spear yet

[normal saddle]

no I only use the twin fists

[stiff obsidian]

zagbow is so good

[mint coral]

You need the 4th spear first

[rustic vale]

You can’t get hammers in ff

[stiff obsidian]

:dread:

[void vigil]

regret

[stiff obsidian]

i forgor

[mint coral]

Like I said, #h1-story-discussion pinned messages has the methods for all the hidden aspects @normal saddle

[rustic vale]

Hammerless rail ff

[lavish sorrel]

was about to correct myself after checking

[stiff obsidian]

sounds free

[normal saddle]

I am horrible with the spear

[mint coral]

Don't worry

[quasi dust]

Practice makes perfect

[mint coral]

You don't need to play spear

[rustic vale]

Idk it doesn’t sound faster

[quasi dust]

Oh nvm

I rlly like it tbh

[stiff obsidian]

i mean easier

anything that is not sword

is better

[mint coral]

Same but I play modded

[quasi dust]

But if you don't have to use it then don't lol

[mint coral]

Not a fan of it w/o hammers lol

[lavish sorrel]

https://github.com/cgullsHadesMods/hades-AnyWeaponStart @stiff obsidian glhf

[stiff obsidian]

no i just want to get a fresh file clear

an unmodded one

[normal saddle]

I'm on playstation

[rustic vale]

Ff just sounds like a dredge regardless of weapon since you have no hammers

but sword is like

[stiff obsidian]

i hate sword

[rustic vale]

highest api:dps of any weapon

aside from maybe spear

[lavish sorrel]

shield is almost free

Especially zeus shield. beo probabaly second. then rama bow

[rustic vale]

every other weapon requires less actions for damage

[stiff obsidian]

yeah i was about to say

shield should be the first weapon

[lavish sorrel]

and hardest anyweaponstart is probably level 1 guan yu

take more than one hit at a time you die

[stiff obsidian]

anyway i dont want to try freshfile until i finish every thing on my main file so i dont have to jump between fo2 and fo0

[lavish sorrel]

very reasonable

[stiff obsidian]

i should be able to finish everything by next weekend though because all i have left to do is bow sub8

and miscellaneous sub9s with other aspects

[quasi dust]

Thanks for the tips btw idk if I said anything

[lavish sorrel]

if you do want to get into speed more seriously, the hades speedrunning server should be one of the pins in #self-promotion

[quasi dust]

k, I'll go see it

[latent moon]

wait is that it lmao

are you doing all weps sub8?

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[latent moon]

and all aspects sub9?

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[latent moon]

god damn

[stiff obsidian]

wdym

[latent moon]

all aspects pain

[stiff obsidian]

bows should be alright

and then only shields left

[latent moon]

the only reason why i got sub10 all aspects was because i participated in enough aotw's that i didnt need that much left lmao

[stiff obsidian]

i will learn bow on controller

i could submit my arthur run

🤔

[latent moon]

what's stopping you

[stiff obsidian]

i have to click more buttons

[lavish sorrel]

to be fair that's the reason why I haven't submitted like half of my 32 heats yet

[stiff obsidian]

submit to aotw?

[lavish sorrel]

to the lb

[stiff obsidian]

what lb?

[jagged hamlet]

Anime of the Week

[lavish sorrel]

the 32 heat lb

[stiff obsidian]

32 heat speed?

[lavish sorrel]

yes

???

[stiff obsidian]

oh

i didnt know you did 32 speed

[lavish sorrel]

I mean if I was gonna do all 32 heats may as well submit them

not particularly trying to go fast but just to have one of each aspect 32 on the board

[stiff obsidian]

oh i didnt think non-attempts would count

i have opened speedrun com exactly once

to download the modpack

[lavish sorrel]

I mean as long as the clear follows the leaderboard rules there's no reason not to

[stiff obsidian]

wait that would require recording each run right?

[lavish sorrel]

and showing a death

[stiff obsidian]

oh then i cant bother lmao

i have not recorded a single run ever

except 2 runs for vod review

[latent moon]

i mean i wouldn't submit like a 17 minute clear lmao

[lavish sorrel]

I would

[stiff obsidian]

it might be funnier to leave my bow time at 13 mins

[lavish sorrel]

bow as one's worst weap is both sad yet based

(as someone with a bow PB one and a half minutes behind anything else )

[latent moon]

i dont play enough of any other weapon to know what order my good weapons are lmao

it's just beo -> ????

[stiff obsidian]

zagspear is my 3rd best

[latent moon]

i do have sub8 achilles and nem i guess

i thought i had a bow sub8 but idk

[upper wolf]

I mean, when going of individual PB it can be due to RNG as much as skill

[latent moon]

nvm it's a bow 8:10

pain and suffering

[stiff obsidian]

yeah my zagspear got all the rooms and boons so like its shouldnt be up there lmao

[latent moon]

true but it's more like, i dont play enough of rail or fists to know if i'm better at those lmao

[upper wolf]

how did you both ping me at the exact same time

I'm being attacked

[latent moon]

raw talent

[upper wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-ratatouille-gif-11199067726130995678

[stiff obsidian]

ended message with lmao too

[lavish sorrel]

beo -> nem -> zagspear -> eris for me, for speed

for heat for me it's probably beo -> poseidon -> eris

[empty lintel]

any tips to farm keepsakes levels?

[gray apex]

do all 5 tunnels in styx

[rustic vale]

Use the RTA speedpact

[empty lintel]

whats rta

[rustic vale]

Real time

[empty lintel]

mm good one

[rustic vale]

Em2/ fo2/ td1

[empty lintel]

i don't really know

whats all that

[rustic vale]

Do you have heat unlocked?

[empty lintel]

ye

[rustic vale]

extreme measures 2 makes the hyrda fight faster

Forced overtime 2 makes enemies spawn faster and move to you faster

And tight deadline 1 removes the 45s survival rooms

[gray apex]

You can stick to FO1 if you have no prior experience

[rustic vale]

each decreases how long the your run should take

[empty lintel]

since they're good to igt but takes a long in real time right

[rustic vale]

tight deadline isn’t helpful for in-game time, since survival rooms stop the timer

[gray apex]

yes

[empty lintel]

makes sense

[rustic vale]

👍

[empty lintel]

ty

is the last achievement for me, the maximum level keepsake one

[rustic vale]

it’s really just how fast you can go tbh

Consider using meta builds and mirrors as well

[empty lintel]

since i'm not using keepsakes for specific boons, still viable going beowulf for example with no poseidon/artemis start?

[upper wolf]

I imagine other aspects are faster with no guaranteed boon

[empty lintel]

i was just wondering that too

[upper wolf]

I'm mainly thinking of Hestia

[opaque fable]

nah eris

eris plays both flat and % scaling

[upper wolf]

eris without tdash and/or zeus attack sounds more painful than hestia with just any good % attack

[opaque fable]

only kinda sad god is ares

[upper wolf]

arte,athena,dem,aphro

[empty lintel]

is eris the bow one?

[upper wolf]

nah

second rail

[empty lintel]

oh gotcha

[upper wolf]

+75% damage after hitting yourself with your special

[empty lintel]

this is mine worse time i guess

28 min pb lol

13 ~ 15 with others

prob cause never got a good build on this, or just don't know how to play it properly

[empty lintel]

didn't know that

didnt read that aspect

[upper wolf]

"pb" for "personal baddest" ? :p

[empty lintel]

pretty much

[empty lintel]

the caos gate is that good?

every run i see ppl enter in this

[upper wolf]

Yeah

It skips a room

Hard to do better than that

Remember that the goal of a Speedrun is to play as little of the game as possible

[opaque fable]

also chaos rewards are just really good

[empty lintel]

what about the meg stuff, how can i aim that thing?

[opaque fable]

there's a video guide

[empty lintel]

mine barely never hit something lol

[empty lintel]

you have there?