#h1-discussion

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heady monolith
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or should i save 2 for hades one per phase

stone rune
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no

native blade
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And Erebus rooms?

stone rune
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meg on minibosses, heroes, and hades

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don't meg lernie and you can't use meg on furies

latent moon
formal citrus
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What's the technique for getting hyper delivery on beo casts? Dash right after?

latent moon
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For witches summon

stone rune
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but yeah

heady monolith
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cringe, keeps rolling between fist and bow

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feels bugged

native blade
stone rune
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you also usually get it from dashing beforehand

latent moon
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You can't meg meg lmao

stone rune
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like the dash strike

heady monolith
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y not

stone rune
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she is literally her

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how are you gonna

heady monolith
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but thats a puppet

heady monolith
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ooooh...the puppet is a caller

stone rune
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it calls her in

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yeah

heady monolith
latent moon
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You use meg on tart miniboss, aspho miniboss, Ely miniboss, heroes, and dad
If you get an extra, use for Styx miniboss

native blade
heady monolith
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whats a miniboss..?

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oh yeah

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nvm

stone rune
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lol

latent moon
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You don't use it for lernie miniboss because lernie isn't that difficult

heady monolith
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so uh... i suppose ill give bow another chance as im too used to picking fated weapons

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walk me through it jazz

formal citrus
heady monolith
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how to make bow good

stone rune
heady monolith
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hera

stone rune
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ok so

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start aph

drowsy linden
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remember: only 1 summon per room(i think)

stone rune
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u want me to show a hera run or something

latent moon
heady monolith
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no just worded guide

stone rune
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ok hold on

latent moon
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Saving all 5 for dad would be funny

stone rune
heady monolith
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i used it before and felt like it was great but that was with stygian soul

drowsy linden
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aph cast
pom
quick reload
exit wounds
profit

heady monolith
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when i tried infernal whcih is supposedly better the dps fell off so hard

stone rune
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wat

latent moon
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Infernal is more dps on average

heady monolith
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because it takes so long for casts so pluck back out

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compared to reload speed

drowsy linden
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upgrade your hera

latent moon
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Stygian is technically better if you get like 2 or 3 extra casts lmao

stone rune
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everything except bosses should drop the stones instantly

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because they're dead

heady monolith
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is this not enough

drowsy linden
native blade
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Depends on what works best for u.

heady monolith
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lv 3

stone rune
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not really though

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stygian wouldn't be better

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because at that point

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everything would die instantly

latent moon
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True lmao

stone rune
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and more stones = more boss damage

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and since everything drops by the time dad phases

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it's a dps decrease\

heady monolith
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is lv 3 hera not good enough?

drowsy linden
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stygian gives 1 every 3 seconds
infernal gives 3 every 5-10 seconds, excluding quick reload

stone rune
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lvl3 is fine

heady monolith
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thats what i ahd last time

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what to use for normal atk

latent moon
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Not Poseidon pretty much

stone rune
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anything big %

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or arty

stone rune
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fiery presence

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god's pride

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otherwise good

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those are general btw

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almost always better

latent moon
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high confidence for more damage to meet breakpoints lmao

heady monolith
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its been nice getting so many duos ng;

drowsy linden
latent moon
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None of them are helpful except mirage shot and it's not even that necessary

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Nice but it's whatever

drowsy linden
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it does benefit from fully loaded, parting, and mirage though

latent moon
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Better Hermes and chaos rarity will carry harder

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Parting shot is blegh

heady monolith
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ok so wgat else

latent moon
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Fully loaded is impractical

heady monolith
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fiery presence infernal soul gods pride

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any other changes?

latent moon
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That's it

drowsy linden
stone rune
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thats for phalanx

drowsy linden
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ohbouldy

latent moon
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Yeah that's good

drowsy linden
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i sense a mirror reset...

heady monolith
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so aphrodite cast&atk, athena dash ig, whats for special

drowsy linden
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dont special

stone rune
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no special

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not necessarily aph atk

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not necessarily athena dash

heady monolith
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also should i hold charon's keepsake starting asphodel?

stone rune
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no

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into asphodel you want demeter

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for snow burst

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and then hourglass into elysium

heady monolith
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which one is snow burst

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oh

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cast chill

drowsy linden
stone rune
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yeah

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it procs when you load

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not when you shoot

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so its free really good aoe

heady monolith
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got a chaos that made me want to delete the game b4

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gain cast but lose hp every time u atk

latent moon
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3 burst of snurst is like 1 cast

stone rune
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thats fine

heady monolith
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had to spam special for 3 encounters

stone rune
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you can still attack

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it wont kill you

heady monolith
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imma die

stone rune
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only bring u to 1hp

heady monolith
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5 hp is a lot

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oh

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do i have to fully charge the bow?

drowsy linden
drowsy linden
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just whatever is fastest

heady monolith
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which hammer sto go for aside of flurry

latent moon
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None of them really matter but twin or triple works

stone rune
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or the other decent ones

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point blank perfect

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chain

heady monolith
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alright ive set it up for tmw

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oh yeah one last thing

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heat

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think im at 5

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what to pick aside of em2

drowsy linden
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64 heatshadethumbsup

stone rune
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extreme measures 2 middle maangement

drowsy linden
heady monolith
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which one was middle management

stone rune
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minibosses are harder

drowsy linden
heady monolith
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had me suffering debating uninstalling\

stone rune
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yeah thats gonna be miserable

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dont use dc2

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basically ever really

heady monolith
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y

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has 0 effect on fistrs and gun

stone rune
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it has effect

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on fists you miss a lot of important breakpoints

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on rail you can't instantly special an enemy on spawn

drowsy linden
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i for some reason used cp a lot, not thinking about how it made everything past lernie much harder

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on zeus shield, dc is free though

heady monolith
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whats cp

stone rune
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calisthenics program

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+15/30% enemy hp

latent moon
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Dc also isn't taken until like 40ish

dire tendon
drowsy linden
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is tidal goodforhestia

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got an epic tidal on a trial

stone rune
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best dash

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gives the thing aoe

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ability to deal with small enemies

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its baller

drowsy linden
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i also have hazard

stone rune
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yeah

valid thunder
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how do i unlock my bond with sisyphus

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it won’t let me gift him ambrosia/nectar

drowsy linden
valid thunder
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oh

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makes sense ig

drowsy linden
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and then youll get a mission

mint coral
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his favor is mainly talking with him and maybe meg/Than + nyx

drowsy linden
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the missions just more talking(nyx) and visiting a special place

drowsy linden
stone rune
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pog

drowsy linden
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bruh i have piercing(need for prophecy), but also have targeting

stone rune
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id take piercing over targeting any day

jagged hamlet
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Piercing is great!

drowsy linden
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too late, and i got critted on by my own bombron

mint coral
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funny 15 dmg

stone rune
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on hestia??

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it does

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why would it be the best thoghu

drowsy linden
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died to a horrible hero startbouldy

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probably shouldve gone with styx instead of jerky

stone rune
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dps is tdash

signal aspen
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idk man as

drowsy linden
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big number

native blade
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better person

desert tundra
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I like Arthur

native blade
desert tundra
jagged hamlet
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Don't get too excited! They might start swinging you around

tepid light
heady monolith
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Hidden aspects are weird, Getting lucifer from ||zeus|| was very unexpected

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Like what if I didn't choose ||his keepsake|| that run would I never have gotten it

latent moon
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like revealing hidden aspects have 2 steps

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you need to approach a certain character with a certain weapon first, and then the second time it doesn't matter what you have when you talk to them

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so like if you did a rail run and talked to zeus, you woud've gotten the first part done
and then say like in the middle of a achilles run you find zeus on accident, he can finish the second part of it and give you the waking phrase

heady monolith
latent moon
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sounds about right

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you definitely would've gotten it at some point even if you didn't start zeus keepsake

heady monolith
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Ig it was a random coincidence going for his normal atk

latent moon
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yeah lmao

latent moon
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:44 Leaderboard Categories
1:36 Getting Star...

▶ Play video
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@heady monolith

heady monolith
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Ty

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It's 17mins

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That's very not speed-run like

short glen
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There's a lot of details

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There's also a speed run discord

latent moon
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you can put it on like 1.5x or 2x speed if you want and you'll get the same info

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it's also not really any game play stuff related, it's mostly about set up and what to look for in a run

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it's not talking about like enemy grouping, enemy prioritization, breakpoints, etc

upper wolf
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hey everyone ! I've made a fantastic recovery ! when you play fist, and are about to face the furies, you shouldn't take a chaos curse that hurts you when you attack

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You're welcome for my sacrifice in the name of science

native blade
heady monolith
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It's a race of who dies first

upper wolf
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whelp, I won the race bouldy

native blade
native blade
heady monolith
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That's respectable

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no wait, it has to be the whip cause you're locked on 1hp until something kills u

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Should've survived ngl

tepid light
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I don't care what anyone says, I adore chiron

native blade
tepid light
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It's just so flexible, you can do any build with it

vague tulip
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Chiron is the best aaaauuughhh

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oh damn, Chiron is something else lol

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i feel stupid now

native blade
tepid light
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We need an aspect of charon for spear which is just his oar

vague tulip
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fr

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i wish they dropped some dlcs

open hull
coral kite
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Guys I’m drawing characters in the little big planet banana suit or the cat banana suit I’ve done Hypnos and Meg already

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Who else should I do

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#fan-works they’re in here

stiff obsidian
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hades

coral kite
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I don’t think there’s enough space on the page tho 😭

brisk trail
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had almost 200h on kb+m and just switched to controller

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its good! zagshock

wary iron
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Time for another 200h then

raven zodiac
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Hi, I have a quick question for people who play both on steam and on switch with the cross-saving

leaden belfry
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make the special the swing

upper wolf
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custom skins in hades 2 when ? 👀

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if supergiant is lurking in this channel at the moment...

wary iron
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But not for money

upper wolf
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hey, I'll take whatever personally

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but I don't see supergiant making paying costumes yeah

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maybe like for events or the like. Crossovers. Things like that

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but even then I'd be surprised

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I would totally buy them though ^^

void vigil
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for what it’s worth, steam version of bastion had a collab with portal, and the dlc was free

upper wolf
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as far as videogames go, I can't think of many people I'd rather throw money at than supergiants. And they're all small indie creators

brisk trail
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yes

upper wolf
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I play on KBM. I tried controller a couple of times, it plays very well indeed but I like KBM slightly more

wary iron
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I just like how i can play the entire game (at least with fists) without pressing a button so I very much prefer controller

upper wolf
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aaaa

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I was in styx, miniboss room

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room reward was athena so I waited to lose my stubborn defiance on the second miniboss

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it's a rat

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I lose my defiance, I start killing it

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I facetank the poison because my DPS is high enough

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... Then I realise ANOTHER RAT SPAWNED

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So here I am, taking dummy poison damage because I bathed in green goo without moving, with another health bar to bring down faster than mine

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I did get it but only 38 HP left

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So close to disaster

wary iron
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This game increases the hatred against rats and tiny vermins extremely

jagged hamlet
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Help I'm scared

wary iron
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If I ever see a rat, I’ll make sure that no one will ever see it again

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I’m not pro violence here btw

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It’s all

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Normal

open hull
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Tiny mini small rats are manageable with tdash

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The fat ugly obese guys

jagged hamlet
wary iron
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tiny vermins, it’s not enough to make sure that no one will ever see it again, you gotta get rid of it so hard, no will ever have seen it

jagged hamlet
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This umbreon wants to catch my tiny hands

wary iron
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No, as I said no violence

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If you’re just a rat

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You will get a nice shelter

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Far away from styx

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Very far

jagged hamlet
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Oh gotcha 👍

latent moon
upper wolf
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I did that, kinda zagcry

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The big rat had only like a pixel of armor left

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Didn't stop the other big rat from spawning u_u

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also rats are absolutely precious and I love them

wary iron
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Only some

formal orbit
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Albino rat is cool tho

upper wolf
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Pff, ratatouille is fake. It's set in paris, we all know there are not rats in paris, only a tremendous population of surmulots.

shy cipher
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Hey guys why with aspect of guan yu when I release the charged attack do all the projectiles on my screen go away

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Is that supposed to happen

raw herald
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hugely inappropriate

small horizon
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yo im french

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the only one i guess...

stiff obsidian
latent moon
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Are you sure you don't have like Athena attack and it's just deflecting

lament estuary
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bro I just had a crazy build with zagbow

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I got athena on attack and I ended up getting vengeful mood with athena's, zeus' and ares' revenge boons, AND merciful end

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and I got impending doom

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and I had flurry from hammer at the start

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my dps by the end was crazy

drowsy linden
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me does nothing useful with vengeful im pretty surebouldy

heady monolith
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hate em2 lernie...

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that lava took out my defiance and dropped me to 11hp

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wtf am i supposed to do to a flying head on top of lava

heady monolith
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umm...aspect of gilgamesh does not look gilgamesh-y

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whats with the bear theme

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also how good r they

native blade
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They’re considered dog poop.

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But they’re pretty fun.

heady monolith
crystal star
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No

native blade
crystal star
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They are bad and boring

heady monolith
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whos enkidu

native blade
# heady monolith y

They do less dps than every other weapon, they give u less dmg resistance and they’re slower.

heady monolith
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gilgamesh has something to do with summoning swords, that was the most common theme with the many gilgamesh based characters ive seen

native blade
heady monolith
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no

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i just know the name and characters based on it

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was never a beastman

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but anyways, ive been told excalibur sucks and yet i enjoy it very much so i wont take opinions for granted

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whats the bread&butter with boons/combo

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says aspect of gilgamesh

drowsy linden
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aspects are different from weapons for hidden aspects

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ex:
aspect of beowulf grants naegling's board

native blade
native blade
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Most people force ME/DR on it tho.

heady monolith
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But that's a fist

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o

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Wabbout combo?

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When to uppercut or apply faim

native blade
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Based.

heady monolith
heady monolith
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What that do

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Big dmg after dash?

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Dark thirst says next match is bow so that's not fun

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o well

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Really the most uninteresting weapon even sword feels more flamboyant

native blade
signal aspen
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no stubborn defiance

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and no dark regeneration

native blade
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Dodge chance too.

signal aspen
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no its damage and dodge

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bruh

native blade
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I respectfully disagree.

signal aspen
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you get like 2 darkness per run

native blade
signal aspen
stone rune
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dark regen does like nothing

native blade
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And shops.

signal aspen
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you get like 50 hp with vitality in styx alone

stone rune
native blade
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With Gilga, u need all the health u can get.

stone rune
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or you could spend like 25 gold on like 6 hp

signal aspen
native blade
signal aspen
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lmao

native blade
signal aspen
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???????

stone rune
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bruh

signal aspen
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how much darkness do you get per run

desert tundra
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i actually used dark regen for most of my runs while maxing out mirror because i was always going for darkness for the metaprogression lul

native blade
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Sry, meant heal, max hp ain’t that necessary.

signal aspen
stone rune
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if max hp isnt necessary why are we buying darkness in shops for like 3 hp

desert tundra
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but 1 billion is a reallyyyyyyyyy big number

native blade
desert tundra
signal aspen
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on gilgamesh max hp is even more important

native blade
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Also Shady Summon, goated.

signal aspen
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since its so unsafe

native blade
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Stack dmg resistance and dodge if anything.

stone rune
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maybe if we were on a better aspect we wouldn't need to focus everything on healing

signal aspen
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you cant heal during combat

stone rune
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shady

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but like

signal aspen
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2 hp

stone rune
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shady sucks

signal aspen
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nah its like

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10 hp

native blade
signal aspen
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then you get hit bcs you were stuck in the pickup animation

native blade
signal aspen
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bruh

native blade
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It full heals too.

signal aspen
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no it doesnt

native blade
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It does for me

signal aspen
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it full heals if you have like 10 max hp

native blade
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? You’re thinking if darkness I think, it gives u a bunch of food.

signal aspen
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oh true

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still not worth it

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are you gonna use it in a normal room if you run low on hp

native blade
signal aspen
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you only have 5-6 uses per run

native blade
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Eh, you really don’t need it often.

stone rune
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u dont really need healing at most points in the run where u summon

native blade
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Maybe for u? Idk.

stone rune
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like

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u dont want healing right at teh start of heroes

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or dad

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and u probably dont in any midboss

latent moon
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is this debate whether or not shady is useful lmao

stone rune
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idk

signal aspen
native blade
latent moon
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shady heals 40 hp not including the darkness

signal aspen
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1 dad spin

native blade
latent moon
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so idk how you're getting full heals off of that lmao

stone rune
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what are we losing health to in the first 3-6 chambers of a biome

native blade
signal aspen
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maybe

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we shouldnt have 50 hp with gilga

stone rune
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do you never take hearts

signal aspen
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since the aspect makes you take more damage

latent moon
signal aspen
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high confidence

stone rune
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hihg confidence

native blade
signal aspen
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uh oh

latent moon
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oh

stone rune
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what is your 36 heat pact

latent moon
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so the assumption here is that you're never picking up hearts then lmao

jagged hamlet
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Best discussion ever

signal aspen
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why need hearts when big damage

jagged hamlet
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I am so entertained

native blade
latent moon
latent moon
signal aspen
native blade
stone rune
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idk where big damage is coming from on gilga though

native blade
signal aspen
native blade
stone rune
native blade
signal aspen
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sd with hc is crazy

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15 hp per room

native blade
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How?

jagged hamlet
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I'm starting to think this Discord exists entirely for the purpose of giving jazz conniptions shadesmile

native blade
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Right?

signal aspen
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what

latent moon
jagged hamlet
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Little baby heals upon revive

latent moon
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because you only heal 30%, so you dont be above 75% hp or whatever it is for hc

latent moon
jagged hamlet
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Exactly

signal aspen
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gotta be trolling at this point

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you picked the worst ones

latent moon
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lmfao

native blade
signal aspen
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bro got patty the whole run

desert tundra
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hes making the game harder for himself

valid thunder
latent moon
native blade
jagged hamlet
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I died just looking at that set of pacts tbh

latent moon
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so idk how you're getting that much hp back lmao

native blade
stone rune
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bro what is this pacr

signal aspen
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just imo

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not a heat player

valid thunder
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is there any further reference or interaction with the friendly shade in the heroes fight

native blade
valid thunder
signal aspen
latent moon
# native blade Obv not from SD, everything else.

what's "everything else" tho because after SD, you're at 30%
patty's SD buff will put you at 80%
athena's DD buff gives you like 15% max or something
the only way you're getting external healing is from like centaur hearts or gyros

valid thunder
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tight deadline is just free heats no?

signal aspen
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yeah

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just gotta be faster than 36 mins

latent moon
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and like you dont always have patty and athena buffs so idk how you're getting to ~80%

latent moon
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that's like

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15

valid thunder
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30 minute run 🤯🤯

latent moon
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okay +40

native blade
latent moon
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but also that's only 5 times per run

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yeah you can buy more but not always either

valid thunder
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my first win ever was under 36

latent moon
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so only about 5 times out of the run you'll have hc up

native blade
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I can always get it back when I need it.

stone rune
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wait

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are we on sd

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with lc0

signal aspen
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yeah

latent moon
valid thunder
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what’s lc0

signal aspen
native blade
jagged hamlet
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Poor jazz LOL

native blade
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Not that fast tbh.

desert tundra
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Poor Minoi getting bashed on by 5 different people, just let the person play the game lmao

latent moon
signal aspen
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yeah i just hope theyre not

desert tundra
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I play Arthur and that isn't considered a great weapon either I just like big dmg

latent moon
desert tundra
valid thunder
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why is arthur considered bad

stone rune
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slow and bad damage

valid thunder
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it’s op

desert tundra
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very slow yea lol

native blade
valid thunder
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!?

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oh i don’t play on high heat

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that’s why

native blade
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Better than just more hp imo

desert tundra
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good base dmg but other builds can still do more dmg with a build and be faster

latent moon
signal aspen
native blade
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I can always get them back.

signal aspen
stone rune
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as we all know only op aspects would have a best time of 6:03

valid thunder
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what generally considered the worst non zag aspect

latent moon
stone rune
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gilga

latent moon
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all aspects work fine casually

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most people have cleared 32 heat with chiron according to haelian's video lmao it still works

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most recorded people at least

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still works

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like i said

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everything works fine casually

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y'all can bash on the bad aspects and whatever but they work fine if you dont care about those extremes

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y'all just see chiron, arthur, or gilga and immediately push the players to play something else even if they dont care abotu speed or heat lmao

native blade
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I didn’t state as “good advice” just my opinion.

latent moon
#

they've established how they want to play the game a while ago, just let them play it

desert tundra
#

were they even giving advice, i didnt look at the full convo but it just looked like they were explaining their own strategy lol

rose roost
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you can def do Chiron 32 td3

latent moon
#

they've also said before that they know it's not better but they find it more fun

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something like that

rose roost
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that why is it considered bad lol

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for speed ig

latent moon
#

jazz literaly jumps at arthur and calls it trash without a second thought about what the player wants to do lmao

native blade
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Plus I don’t mind, my choices are pretty crazy, I’d be a hypocrite to expect no questions/push back.

desert tundra
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hey jazz how do you feel about my name

latent moon
#

and then calls herself trash lmao

jagged hamlet
#

jazz is pretty hilarious

native blade
signal aspen
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i dont think ive beaten 32 with arthur

jagged hamlet
#

jazz kinda reminds me of Gusteau from Ratatouille: "Anybody can cook speedrun"

latent moon
#

has 30+ sub6s, 40 heat wr, and multiple high heat clears
calls herself trash

native blade
#

The Jazz xp.

desert tundra
#

ima be honest i only did 32 once to get the skelly statue and i dont even remember what weapon i did it on lul

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didnt take that long

latent moon
#

based

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yeah she's at like 700+ or something

desert tundra
latent moon
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im almost at 500

native blade
#

It’s impossible to be bad with that dedication.

desert tundra
#

im only at like 185 hrs lul

native blade
latent moon
desert tundra
#

ah

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well thats not so pleasant xd

signal aspen
native blade
native blade
latent moon
#

so that's not like exactly helpful

native blade
signal aspen
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only a 5:32 zagcry

native blade
desert tundra
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only troll

signal aspen
#

i think

latent moon
#

last "active" person

native blade
#

I think when I was new I saw Nyaanyaa’s run or sumn and went on my anti-meta arc.

latent moon
#

einstein has feather duster still but she's never here

signal aspen
latent moon
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hence "active" lmao

signal aspen
#

hades is dying drop hades 2 @ supergiant

latent moon
#

5:32 gang

signal aspen
#

i dont have a 5:32 i was mocking jazz

native blade
#

Lmao, when my best speedrun was 15m on 36heat

signal aspen
#

i wish i had a sub6

jagged hamlet
#

Same

signal aspen
#

i only have a sub5 zagsad

latent moon
#

i thought you did

signal aspen
#

no

latent moon
#

oh lmao

signal aspen
#

i would try if i played modded

latent moon
#

oh fair

signal aspen
#

modded stinky

latent moon
#

true

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imagine playing modded

jagged hamlet
#

Would never get to hear The Bloodless!

latent moon
#

i think i got barged in all my 40 unmodded runs

desert tundra
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lmao

signal aspen
desert tundra
brisk trail
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Hi guys, does anyone know how to contact tech support? It's just that one screenwriter violates copyright and uses the image of one character from the Hades game for commercial purposes.

brisk trail
shy cipher
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Instantly too, even the ones on the other side of the screen

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Like every butterfly from butterfly ball will instantly disappear

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Should I put this in tech support if we think it’s an issue?

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Idk what we’re supposed to do to report bugs

latent moon
#

i mean i dont think it's gonna get fixed lmao

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you can if you want tho

signal aspen
drowsy linden
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sure its a violation of the law, but what do we even get for reporting it

jagged hamlet
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I was curious, so I went looking for it, but I can't find it. Must be a bit obscure

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Unless it's something to do with Hadestown and I'm just not searching the right things hm

vale oak
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he is talking about Hades 2, they stole characters from Hades without even asking for permission 😔

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very disappointing move from supergiant games 😔

jagged hamlet
#

I hope the Hades devs get their due

short glen
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I think they will

desert tundra
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They will be sued for the actions they've made

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How could they

latent moon
#

me when i plagiarize my own work

desert tundra
#

I guess you could say this is bananas

upbeat anchor
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I have a question about aspect of Lucifer. Would it be any good to take the eternal chamber hammer so you never have to reload, or would it just be better to go for triple beam or some thing else? Right now my build is using triple beam, triple bomb, And items that I think work around it well. But I find myself sometimes forgetting to let the gun reload.

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I guess I’m just asking is the ramp damage worth it, and I try to be productive with my hammers because it seems like you only get two of them the entire run, no matter what you do.

heady monolith
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I wouldn't know but personally only had one run with it and loved the no reload aspect

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Also took faster fire rate and it was basically slicing through hp like butter

upbeat anchor
#

I have to say, though, having the triple beam, and the triple bombs going pretty much constantly is really good. It feels safe, and I’m even getting through the temple of sticks in better shape. I just kind of wish you could pick up more hammers along your journey.

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BTW, does anyone have a good idea for how to take out the HP on Hades a lot faster? I’ve been getting faster at all the other boss fights, but it seems like I can never finish Hades any quicker and the laser damage is just plain annoying because I can’t see Where the pillars are to hide

stiff obsidian
formal orbit
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high confident all the time, I see it as an absolute win

stiff obsidian
#

lmfao never saw it that way

stiff obsidian
#

i did

native blade
crystal star
native blade
crystal star
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Like

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Im literally right

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It takes so long to charge

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Its just not worth it

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Its almost useless in regular rooms

upper wolf
#

yeah you're gonna deal more damage spamming zeus or dio

crystal star
#

Exacty

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I would take any call over aph

upper wolf
#

and if you really wanna go into the big damage dopamine boost, arte is still better with just a couple pom

upper wolf
crystal star
#

Depends

heady monolith
#

should i?

upper wolf
#

of course

crystal star
upper wolf
#

it's dusa

native blade
#

Dmg isn’t everything, charm trivialises so many enemies and moves.

heady monolith
upper wolf
#

death trivialises many enemies and moves too :p

crystal star
#

Maybe dusa romance idk

upper wolf
#

best CC is bonk on the head until no movement

native blade
crystal star
upper wolf
heady monolith
#

i alr got it

crystal star
heady monolith
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idk what 2 ambrosias would give

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think its the relationship part

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wouldnt that ruin meg's part?

crystal star
#

Probably

native blade
#

Dusa’s the most expensive route. Btw.

heady monolith
#

im good.

upper wolf
#

dusa is worth it

heady monolith
#

almost over with meg dont want to spoil it for a flying head

heady monolith
upper wolf
#

if I could give her more nectar/ambrosia I would

native blade
#

^

formal orbit
#

aphro call can work really well in case like this

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a fast charging weapon, a 2500 damage burst is no joke

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otherwise, you better off with another call, I would only take aphro call before heros or at styx

stiff obsidian
#

with eris its like 4k+

formal orbit
#

oh yeah, I forgot eris damage multiplier affect call

stiff obsidian
#

with epic rd its almost 7k

short glen
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Btw @heady monolith dusa gives you back your ambrosia at some point iirc

stiff obsidian
mint coral
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Retrash is built different

formal orbit
#

Retrash play guan yu 55 with dc2

heady monolith
formal orbit
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Tbf, he got smair zeus call that run

mint coral
heady monolith
#

some guy up there told me it would when i asked

mint coral
#

Only thing I can think of ruin is when dialogues show up

sour fog
#

you can have bonds with all characters

mint coral
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Cuz Meg talks with Dusa quite a bit

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But that'll fix itself

coral kite
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Hmmm I wanna farm nectar

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Should I try getting Dionysus so I can hopefully get his boon

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I hate autocorrect specifically in this discord server

mint coral
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Yeah guaranteed +1 nectar is nice

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Outside of that just grab gems and keys so you can trade for them

coral kite
#

Yeah

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I’ll never trade nectar for anything

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It’s too rare

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I get guaranteed blood diamond and ambrosia each time I play

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Not nectar

native blade
#

Wanna make a bet?

heady monolith
upper wolf
#

Why do I die to lernie like an idiot when I get a perfect build but I get all the way to dad when I have the worst, lamest build in history

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I went for ME and got 99% of my damage dealt by dio call instead

coral kite
#

Who’s lernie

upper wolf
#

hydra

coral kite
#

Ohhh

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Why lernie

mint coral
#

Just keep killing it

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You'll see

upper wolf
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because lernaen hydra

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but also what somenoobdying said

heady monolith
#

Because murderer

brisk trail
#

imagine the ultimate beyblade build

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ares on dash and cast, zeus shield

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vs. alecto

native blade
native blade
heady monolith
#

Relationships not bonds

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A harem?

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so a harem

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How's she just a friend when there are the 3 extra hearts with an arrow

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no

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friendship is what u get with everyone who doesnt have an arrow for 3 extra hearts

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gave meg the first ambrosia on that and suddenly everyone is talking about how i wanna wife her up

mint coral
#

And you still can be friends with meg

tepid light
heady monolith
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damn they fr jumping me for wondering if its fair sharing ambrosia between the girls ultrakek

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most characters have their hearts jointed those 2 r the only ones with 3 deparate hearts mb

mint coral
#

Can also think it this way

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Is ancient greece

tepid light
#

Tbf you did sort of jump to conclusions with the 'harem' thing

heady monolith
#

hey u said u can date both not me

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i was wondering if im supposed to pick one only

tepid light
#

you do not need to pick only one, no

upper wolf
#

there are three characters with separate hearts, not two

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you forgot than

tepid light
#

don't do it, it just makes the 'turret' spawn where the arrow hits

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for some reason they didn't change demeter cast on hera

heady monolith
#

had a feeling they'd have to be way too creative for t hat

mint coral
#

Tbf Icy flare wouldn't be that much better

tepid light
stone rune
native blade
stone rune
#

well first off

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we already have a weak applicator

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second off

#

the damage is really bad

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third

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we should not be using pstatus in the first place

native blade
#

I still think ndash is good with passives.

mint coral
#

Nasty?

tepid light
#

ndash deez nuts

mint coral
#

Nasty is kinda sad yeah

native blade
#

Fair.

stone rune
#

yeah it sucks

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can’t have any other hangover sources with it

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it starts at literally 2 damage

formal orbit
#

cope damage for dc2 bouldy

mint coral
#

Nasty dash + peer pressure

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Hangover attack dmg in the biggest roundabout way possible

formal orbit
#

then you end up reset it anyway

mint coral
#

I love how peer pressure can do x8 the normal amount of dmg and os still so sad

tepid light
# mint coral Nasty?

for some reason this gave me an idea for a dash that applies the poison from styx

formal orbit
#

tdash with razor shoal?

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close enough

mint coral
#

Athena dash while in styx 🧠

native blade
#

I thought hangover sources went to the highest number, it just didn’t stack?

mint coral
#

Newest sources of hangover replace the oldest

heady monolith
#

ah yes, i only know blade dash

mint coral
#

Mirror

native blade
native blade
#

How good y’all think a Blade Rift build would be?

stone rune
#

or second hit

native blade
#

But it procs.

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And does big dmg and funny numbers.

stone rune
#

if most enemies are generally dying in one or two hits

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which should be the case

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then it literally does nothing

native blade
#

But it looks cool.

tepid light
#

I abhor pots so much

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So so much

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Literally so frustrating to manage it without sure footing

latent moon
#

Maybe don't take heightened security lmao

tepid light
#

Well I'll have to turn it on sometime for heat

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So as frustrating as it is, I have to learn how to deal with it at some point

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Might as well do it now

latent moon
#

If you wanna climb that high sure

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You could still avoid it at that point too tbh

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I'd say probably necessary for the 1 heat at like 45+

tepid light
#

Unrelated question, how does aspect of demeter interact with rush kick

latent moon
#

Still works as expected I believe

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You just launch your body too

stone rune
#

ive done 50 heat with no hs

latent moon
#

The charged upper works fine

latent moon
tepid light
native blade
#

Idk tbh.

latent moon
#

Isn't it like 6

stone rune
#

it makes me so sad that the kinetic launcher power shot isnt a base damage increase

heady monolith
#

can someone teach me how to use zeus shield, as much a s i like it, it feels very situational\

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just got destroyed by hades and styx on heat 3 when im at heat 8 with some other weapons

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which boons to use

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how to control the behavior of the special

tepid light
#

kind of hard to 'teach' you without directly showing, but the most helpful thing to know about zeus shield is that when you press the special button again and it starts coming back towards you, it moves rather slowly and still damages enemies, so by continuously moving around you can control it that way

heady monolith
#

yeah ik that

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but i meant how fast it travels or when it stops

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sometimes it just stops in place

tepid light
#

when you first deploy it, it'll float forwards for a bit, then just stop in place

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and it'll stay there until you recall it/pick it up

heady monolith
#

bull rush?

stone rune
#

bro who invented this gilga thing

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why are the dashes like that

tepid light
#

so you're basically hitting them in two places at once

heady monolith
#

not sure what i did wrong then, dmg was super low

tepid light
#

what special did you use

heady monolith
#

tidal dash messed me up a lot

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especially in styx

stone rune
#

wat

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tdash is amazing in styx

heady monolith
#

not with zeus shield

tepid light
heady monolith
#

where they get thrown to places i cant reach so im getting hit by something i cant hit

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knockback is annoying with shield

stone rune
#

tidal dash with breaking wave is literally called styx shredder

heady monolith
#

this man has braincells fr

heady monolith
tepid light
heady monolith
#

zeus

tepid light
#

gotcha

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yeah knockback is tricky with zeus shield

tepid light
#

for the same reasons why you were having trouble

stone rune
#

dont take swift flourish or strike

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basically ever

tepid light
#

the best approach in my experience is to take poseidon special on zeus shield, and throw it at enemies while they're against the wall

stone rune
#

don't do that

#

that's a bad idea

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just take zeus special

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what you did was great

#

get static discharge and double strike

heady monolith
stone rune
#

pom the static discharge a lot

stone rune
heady monolith
native blade
stone rune
#

they do basically nothing

heady monolith
#

it was at lv 8 maybe

stone rune
native blade
#

O

heady monolith
stone rune
#

yea no

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on zeus special speed just affects the recall/throw animations

tepid light
# stone rune don't do that

jazz, i'm trying to say how best to use knockback with zeus aspect, not whether knockback is the best on zeus aspect in general.

heady monolith
#

whats the other one?

stone rune
#

take tdash then

tepid light
stone rune
#

tempest flourish is a lower % than aph

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and automatically knocks enemies out of the special

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tidal dash meanwhile does very good damage

heady monolith
#

whats the hermes boon

#

ewuophfopuehw\

stone rune
#

swift strike

#

you had swift strike and swift flourish

heady monolith
#

what does that do

#

i only rmb the special one

stone rune
#

makes ur animation a little faster

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they're the same thing

#

but for special and attack

tepid light
heady monolith
#

oh

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just ignore poseidon as a whole got it

#

but like\

#

whats the atk pattern

stone rune
#

hold on

heady monolith
#

am i supposed to have bull rushes or just spam dash strikes

stone rune
#

bull rushes arent good for damage but do give u invincibility frames for their duration

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on zeus the two main hammers are explosive return and charged shot

tepid light
#

yet another occasion where jazz and i are on completely different wavelengths, i guess

stone rune
heady monolith
#

um...did meg just whip me

stone rune
#

did u get the bedroom scene

heady monolith
#

yes

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i did not like hearing that whip

stone rune
#

they're doing parchmentwork bro

#

chill

tepid light
heady monolith
#

parchment does not include whips and zag saying oww

stone rune
#

you haven't seen underworld parchmentwork

sour fog
#

it was the sound of a papercut

heady monolith
#

anyways

#

got a second portrait, dionysus

#

if this rigged rotation keeps up ill have my first ever 32 heat with hera

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i dont understand why it lost the variety

#

to the point of my shield still being at heat 3 and spear at heat 2

stone rune
#

u can just like

#

play what u want to

#

dont need to go for dark thirst every time

heady monolith
#

no

#

more jwels= more nectar and deco

native blade
heady monolith
#

more darkness= pne day getting 3k for th epersuasion

mint coral
#

Have fun gathering the next 4k darkness

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But also, 20% isn't really that much

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Pray for good chaos for that