h1-discussion

[latent moon]

Wrong, red is funny

[jagged hamlet]

It was already level 4 by Eurydice!

[heady monolith]

How much movement speed to u get out of nyoom

[jagged hamlet]

I thought I'd have more poms later

[stone rune]

2x

[latent moon]

Hyper sprint is always 100% more movement speed

[mint coral]

https://imgur.com/a/vAMmLgz @brisk trail

pot

[heady monolith]

Wait it says bonus dmg from bonus speed….i thought it meant your bonus speed*the %=dmg

[latent moon]

Movement speed is multiplicative so buy a billion ichors if possible

[heady monolith]

So i felt like u needed too much speed to gain anything from it

[latent moon]

Well it's free damage

[heady monolith]

Not any movement speed=125% atk

[latent moon]

Yeah

But hyper sprint is always 100%

[latent moon]

So you'll get 50/75/100/125% more global damage with rush delivery

[heady monolith]

Pots killed him? How come they do no dmg to him in my runs

[latent moon]

Stygian shards

Trap well item thing

[heady monolith]

Also whats charon doing at the bottom

[latent moon]

Trap damage is multiplicative

And enemies take trap damage so that's fun

[mint coral]

they do 30 dmg normally

[stone rune]

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[heady monolith]

And that means?

[mint coral]

charon well item

[latent moon]

Enemies take 900% trap damage or whatever it is

[mint coral]

boosts trap dmg by +600%

[heady monolith]

Thats a modded run right?

[stone rune]

isn’t it 500

[latent moon]

Yeah that's the one

Idk

Something

[latent moon]

Yeah

[stone rune]

cause it makes the ely arrows do 3600

[latent moon]

It's just funny tho

[stone rune]

no it’s not modded

[mint coral]

ah yeah 500

[stone rune]

seeded

and with other mods

so i guess modded

but not modpack modded

[heady monolith]

Point is there was some influence

[latent moon]

Lmao yeah

Well yeah ofc

It's not realistic in a normal run

But it's just funny to see

The routed eris run isn't realistic at all

But seeing zag go at like mach 5 is funny

[signal aspen]

that is my run and it was real

[latent moon]

So true bestie

[stone rune]

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from ananke

[mint coral]

eris route my beloved

[mint coral]

the flame wheel release lol

[heady monolith]

When using the timer heat option you’re not supposed to loot all of styx right?

[mint coral]

even without td

[latent moon]

You can if you have enough time

[heady monolith]

I wouldve had my lance run ages ago had i known that styx and hades share the same amount of time…

[mint coral]

yes

[heady monolith]

Till this day the spear is the only weapon ive yet to win with

[latent moon]

It do be like that sometimes

[mint coral]

why would you notice 30 dmg on a 10k+ hp boss lmao

[heady monolith]

I mainly play based on what fates pick so i rarely get a lance run but when i do the boons r just too garbage

[mint coral]

hades is so visually heavy at some point anyways

[latent moon]

My unmodded 40 heat rama had a 5 sack and I still had like 3 mins to spare at the end or something, kinda just depends how much time you have left lmao

[signal aspen]

bro lance barely got any true combos

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this was a 5 sack

[heady monolith]

How are u supposed to play lance? I treat it as a ranged weapon

What

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/bGTTvEYs9iE?si=kK4dJ1lDg6unyLeD

[heady monolith]

I said nothing wrong

[formal orbit]

Does hyper sprint double greater haste, like 40%->80%

[heady monolith]

Boys?

that wasnt the word

[latent moon]

Yeah

[formal orbit]

Damn

[latent moon]

Multiplicative movement speed is funny

[formal orbit]

Got that combo hyper rd + greater haste once

Zooming while doing insane damage

[latent moon]

I got that in an ME run with no impending

Epic greater haste kinda impending doom

[mint coral]

now we need the sigil move speed to work with hyper sprint

[latent moon]

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I forgot how many purple boons I got lmao

[formal orbit]

Look like an Exclusive Access run lmao

[mint coral]

Pride going overtime

[formal orbit]

I only get epic rd from Exclusive Access

Luck isssue

[latent moon]

Legacy could get exclusive access lol

[mint coral]

Legacy would still miss ME somehow

[latent moon]

Also true

Legacy will give you purple ddash and special but no ME

That's just the way it goes

[formal orbit]

I saw haelian once get ME on AP2 with chiron, not sure it was ri1 or not

It do be like that

[latent moon]

Tbf if it's ap2

You just take whatever lmao

Any duo you get is just fodder for the purging well most of the time lmao

[formal orbit]

Ri1 ap2 ME https://youtu.be/rAUSYFAvcLQ?si=eyW4lTYxIFIftlp4

ME is just weird

[mint coral]

Good to see Haelian thumbnails as always

[latent moon]

I have a feeling ME didn't do anything useful here lmao

[formal orbit]

He sold it of course

[latent moon]

I stand corrected then ME was very useful

[mint coral]

The best ap2 moment is pulling the clockets

[jagged hamlet]

If I have clockets, roughly how many shots of the Attack should I shoot before thinking about launching another round of clockets? In other words, how many shots long is the Special's cooldown?

[stone rune]

every time you reload

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks!

[jagged hamlet]

I guess I need to figure out how often I should reload. Off to the bookmarks that I just remembered!

[stone rune]

about every 2 dash cycles

you just reload when empty

ish

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks!

[coral viper]

AHHHH

hi

[stone rune]

hi

[coral viper]

oh dang

nvm imma post it in #h1-builds-and-combat

actually victory boasting

[oak apex]

sthere a mod channel

regardless, how would i get the language files?

for making a translation

[mint coral]

Modding discord pinned in #self-promotion

[latent moon]

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@stone rune this better?

speed, heat, overall

maybe i should move nem down for speed but idrk

it's for the overall

speed + heat pts goes into overall points for like a rough estimation for aspect strength

jazz said to move it to s, it was an A iirc

considering like

what about angel

she got to heroes with zag shield 64 lmao

and iirc she did some attempts at it again with 64 and it's not going that bad i think? i could be wrong on that

the caveat is that it needs cshot

maybe chaos heat A because it's a shield tbf

with the caveat that you ignore the special and get cshot lmao

well it's a speed and heat tier list, that feels somewhat objective

consistency

like look at rama and zag spear speed lmao

zag spear has a 5:25

rama has a 5:26

yeah more or less

like average/above average player

if they were to start grinding a category

how easy would it be for them to hit a certain goal

how so?

like assuming they know the meta and how to somewhat optimally play aspects

it's still like inherently unsafe

although at 40 hera is still fine...

hm

yeah i'm starting to see the issue lmao

yeah

oh i just remembered that i made the tierlist with like above 40 heat in mind

but yeah you're right

hm

yeah heat tier list kinda just sucks huh

it's too variable

i guess like ease of clear would be more fair?

if it's ease of clear then i could move luci, zag bow, and hera to A for like 32-40 heat

yeah but i can't award partial points lmao

and also there's only like 3 good rama players lmao

that still use it anyways

others have gotten their sub7 and left it alone lmao

and just bring it out for heat grinding or aotw

i do see your point of the heat tier list being flawed tho

that's fair

yeah

zeus is consistent, hestia is safe, beo is nuke

zag shield down
zag bow, hera, and luci up?

and dem up yeah

well 40 is just spicy any heat

but like

it's heat so speed is less of an issue

so zag bow is fine

and hera will do well

sounds about right

lmao mood

all aspects can clear 40 heat comfortably tho

which is kinda an issue isn't it

lmfao i think i tried it once for 50 heat then said nope

hm makes sense

tbf i haven't done all aspects 40 yet but i can prob infer lmao

i should prob do that tbh

that sounds fun

that's kinda why i put achilles in B

although like it is 40

[strong ridge]

have you consider smairchillies

[latent moon]

all aspects 32 was pretty easy from experience

i did dash only gilga (with summons)

took like 3 or 4 tries

you'll be fine lmao

but yeah i'll redo the heat tier list with 40 heat in mind

do some achilles anyheat tbh

oh you did meme beams achilles lmao

based tbf

[formal orbit]

all spec 32 is mostly a chore tbh

[latent moon]

mood

[latent moon]

it kinda is once you get through all the fun aspects lol

[formal orbit]

the fist is just ME spam

[latent moon]

yeah i was gonna say, fists is the bigger issue lmao

the only fun part is that gilga can do dash only

you could do plume zag fists

arthur is all dash strikes

[formal orbit]

i did that, end up with zeus call and splitting bolt

[latent moon]

i actually found it kinda fun

i mean you could do zap fists i forgot that existed lmao

do it

blizzard shot talos

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updated heat thing

this is prob better

[formal orbit]

got achilles blizzard shot once

feel scammed for sure

[latent moon]

unless i do stuff with the order

[formal orbit]

guan yu is like thicc hestia lmao

[latent moon]

yeah that's why it's in A

hp loss and kinda just worse hestia but still good

[formal orbit]

and tailesque casually no mod 5x heat with hades

damn

[latent moon]

lmao

i def wouldn't put it S but if i could put it between S and A i would

lmfao

charged skewer guan yu is pretty easy

the issue is getting charged skewer lmao

[formal orbit]

Hera is good? The stone stuck in high hp enemies kinda botched it

[latent moon]

tbf this is like 40 heat

and at 40 heat the only thing that would shaft it would be like AP and super armor BP perk

[vale oak]

for merciful end build, should I take god's pride or god's legacy?

sone guide said i won't be dealing much damage if my ME is common anyways so taje god's pride

[latent moon]

Pride because of that yeah

Rare doom works fine tbf

But common doom is legitimately horrible

Pride also enables better Hermes boon rarity, and ME scales really well with Hermes

More dashes or epic rush delivery is big damage

The duo generally isn't the hard part for ME, it's the fact that you also need the dash and impending doom

[last meadow]

how do you max out artemis?

i cant find anything on it online

(i might be a moron)

[formal orbit]

||keep listening her story with calypso||

[stone rune]

looks gud

have u watched ocke 5:11

with 40s lernie

[heady monolith]

Upon reaching hades i was at 17 mins but for that run he decided that he's too tired to fight so naturally that would be my fastest run at 17

But when i checked the logs it said run cleared at 22?

How come

[mint coral]

It doesn't provide a victory screen

Or something like that

[heady monolith]

Yeah

[left brook]

ig the timer keeps running in greece

interesting

[vale oak]

should i take damage control for chiron bow?

[upper wolf]

me : "I'm gonna take the purse, I don't need acorn on heroes with hestia"
also me : 🤡

[latent moon]

you generally shouldn't take damage control at all until you're at like 40+ heat

dc is like fine on chiron

esp if you're doing a hangover build

but there's better 2 heat options that are less frustrating

[upper wolf]

I think I took dc2 on rama 32heat, but I'm not sure I would recommend it

It's not that bad, but still takes some time to get used to

[latent moon]

i did multiple 50 heat attempts on rama with dc2 and i still tried to dash strike to kill ely eyeballs instead of using the special first lmao

[vale oak]

let's gooo EM3 first try

i did EM2 and EM1 first try as well

[vale oak]

yea i did hangover build

[vale oak]

(didn't do dc)

[upper wolf]

Now do em4

[runic jungle]

Each time I try to pick up the bow I just hate it sm lol.
I find the shield much more comfy to use-

[latent moon]

bow is super clunky unless you dash strike with it

it charges faster if you do

that's the tip that generally makes people realize bow is actually not that unbearrable lmao

[jagged hamlet]

It's what elevated the bow over shield for me! I used to looooove the shield

[latent moon]

bow is generally just pretty strong lmao

and pretty consistent tbh

they're all like 1 boon builds at a minimum

and they'll still have good damage with it lmao

[jagged hamlet]

Dash! Pew! Dash! Peeeew!

[runic jungle]

I really want to "romance" thanatos but it seems like the only way you can actually give him gifts is by beating his challenge
Which so far I can only seem to do with the gun :/
Is there like a pattern to where and when he spawns or is it completely random?

[jagged hamlet]

🎲 random 🍀

[hidden zephyr]

simply pray to RNGesus

[vale oak]

even when i beat him i don't seem to get the option to give him gifts 🤔

he is so hard to give gifts

always disappearing

doing god of the dead stuff

[runic jungle]

It happened to me like twice after beating him
Only times he disappeared immediately was when it was a tie or I lost

[jagged hamlet]

Hyper Delivery + 2 Ichor + Clockets eaten by Styx chambers 😭

[latent moon]

it do be like that

the horrors of styx 😔

[jagged hamlet]

CLOCKETS, you came back for me! 😭

[leaden belfry]

Its kinda weird

How everyone has a certainw eapon

that jsut works for them

For me its Eris

and fists

[knotty glacier]

i think rail is the most popular & easiest to use

[leaden belfry]

Yeah

[knotty glacier]

w/ low risk being ranged not melee

[leaden belfry]

For mw Beowulf is hit ot miss

Depends on what mini boss i get in asphofel

[stone rune]

i believe there is a clear popularity contest winner

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[leaden belfry]

I hate the guy that flies and slams down

[stone rune]

beo is fine with all midbosses

[leaden belfry]

he is

But requires some skill it hink

[knotty glacier]

yeah imagine if mirage wasnt bugged and that bonus damage from weapon itself wasnt 100%

[stone rune]

the bonus damage isnt a big deal

i mean its nice

[leaden belfry]

I like spear

Actually love achilels spear

[knotty glacier]

you dont need much setup for good beo shield run

[wispy sinew]

I forget what some said for luci build. I got zues atk and arti super what else should I do

[stone rune]

divine or tidal dash

[leaden belfry]

I just cant deal with lucifer

The special is so slow

[wispy sinew]

Same I don't even mess with the special tbh

[stone rune]

the special is good but only with triple bomb

[wary iron]

Anyone else feeling most comfortable with zag fists?

[knotty glacier]

surprised rama is so low on # of runs, but cast builds are meta

[stone rune]

zagfists are like dem but u get no buff

[sinful topaz]

I'm able to perform fairly well on most weapons aside from the spear and Gilgamesh, though I'm usually on 17 heat instead of going higher.

[wispy sinew]

I will try triple

[wary iron]

Does it add with the Hermes plume or does one just replace the other?

[stone rune]

it adds with plume but that also requires using plume

[wary iron]

Yes but that’d be a good 40% rate

[knotty glacier]

i like gilgamesh + privileged status

[leaden belfry]

Why isnt dem fists a cast weapon

[wary iron]

Along with + 10 from Hermes

[stone rune]

by the end of the run

which requires using plume the entire run

which is bad

[leaden belfry]

why do i have to punch something 12 times

[mint coral]

Talos:

[leaden belfry]

whats talos

Like a weapon that loads casts like beo

[wary iron]

Is it bad? Im ngl despite playing it for a year, I feel incredibly new to the game

[sinful topaz]

Is that the magnetic pull fists or something else?

[stone rune]

its not a god keepsake

[mint coral]

Yes, it buffs atk and cast dmg by +50% lol

[leaden belfry]

yeah but i wish u could load catsts into it

[stone rune]

what would they even come out of

[wary iron]

I just hope that I get Athena attack at some point and do my best to get a halfway good build

[knotty glacier]

hands?

[leaden belfry]

Imaginr fists that could load fyo special

[stone rune]

athena attack

[leaden belfry]

Is lightning cast good on beo

[stone rune]

not rlly

cast additive doesnt apply to it

[knotty glacier]

"not really" = bad

its weird

[mint coral]

Thunder flare has 0 cast dmg

[leaden belfry]

so just flood shot

[mint coral]

And passion flare

[leaden belfry]

i went to combine floodshot with ares

[knotty glacier]

flood/crush

[mint coral]

If you are feeling funny go trippy

[sinful topaz]

How does the Poseidon primary boon combine with Lucifer

[knotty glacier]

good trippy needs setup with good zeus i feel

[mint coral]

Nah

You only want mirage as always

And poms cuz funny bug

And extra casts

Otherwise you cry

[mint coral]

Meme build called super soaker

[knotty glacier]

cries in bad artemis rng

[mint coral]

(If you mean atk)

[sinful topaz]

With stygian soul?

[mint coral]

Yes

Trippy stays on field for 5 aeconds before the cast drops

[knotty glacier]

you just knock targets away while atking them

except bosses of course

and dmg is not good

[leaden belfry]

Ares super on blade cast build

Hunting blades

is soooo fun

just buzzsaw hades

but its kinda hard to het rng wise

[knotty glacier]

i 'member imbalanced hunting blades in early access

mmm

[leaden belfry]

i got mirage shot with hunting blades

but it was stygian soul (one)

and no poms

[wraith scarab]

Exploding Skewer really melts Styx with the right boons, huh

[leaden belfry]

Lowkey i wish asphodel baddies didnt jump

so much

and I wish Elysium baddies weren't literal tanks

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[leaden belfry]

i wish chaos shield special bounced

Why does it not bounce

instead its a silly shotgun that is medicore smh my head!!!

[sinful topaz]

one shield bounces

Aspect of Chaos is already fairly good, maybe it's specifically nerfed

[stone rune]

fairly good is the overstatement of the century

chaos is bottom 4 aspects

[sinful topaz]

Ah, thought that it was considered as good, maybe I misremembered

[leaden belfry]

One shield bouncing is kinda not good

Because thats just

a notmal shield

5 shields bouncing makes sense

I dont see why they changed it

[stone rune]

its literally so bad

[runic jungle]

It isn't tbh

[knotty glacier]

it was good before it was nerfed

[formal orbit]

Now i’m curious what is was

[leaden belfry]

I think kt used to bouncr all 5 shields

now its a shotgun

but then bewwulf just does the job better

btw how does Zag get killed by munddane stuff

Like the guy walks on lava

And beats a literal god

[stone rune]

hes weakened on the surface

and also the narrator makes it up

[formal orbit]

My favorite is the banana

Banana too stronk

[leaden belfry]

The bear one left me confused

I was like vruh

Isnt the Hydra far more poweful thsn a beat

bear

[sinful topaz]

He's fire-resistant, but not rose-resistant.

[formal orbit]

I still think lava damage is whack

He has fire foot

Literally

[leaden belfry]

terrain damage in Hades is kinda high

i think damage from posion on styx is way to high

[sinful topaz]

How do you deal with EM3 Asterius spin on low-range weapons?

[stone rune]

run away

[formal orbit]

I saw angel run with chaos, she used it like a bad zag shield lmao

[stone rune]

yeah thats how its used at any high level

its good for heat because its a shield

still worse zagshield though

but for speed its atrocious

[sinful topaz]

Are you doomed to just... wait?

[stone rune]

yes

[sinful topaz]

On the standalone arena you can pull him towards the collapsible statues for a bit of damage but tbh it's not that much

[formal orbit]

You can throw a red stone at him

It’s not much but an effort at least

Slow him down with abyssal blood is not a bad idea

[stone rune]

abyssal blood sucks

[formal orbit]

Although most people use boiling blood

[stone bison]

I just got 4 duo boons in a single run

holy hell

[formal orbit]

#h1-discussion message

[sinful topaz]

Does Shared Suffering not count the damage from gods' aids?

[gray apex]

What does that mean

Shared suffering value is a % of the attack dmg you deal and nothing else

[sinful topaz]

The game didn't seem to count the damage from Poseidon's aid for shared suffering

[gray apex]

Because Shared suffering is based on your attack

So it’ll only count that

[sinful topaz]

Oh, true, it says when you Attack any foe, not deal damage.

Sorry

[gray apex]

Yup

[latent moon]

Can confirm

[heady monolith]

aspect of guan yu any good?

[stone rune]

its very good

needs charged skewer tho

[heady monolith]

i only have 30hp...

ill equip cerb keepsake ig

also very slow somehow, feels delayed

[stone rune]

dont use standing attack

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

[sinful topaz]

Does Charged Skewer have any prerequisites to get in a hammer or anything preventing it?

[stone rune]

no hammers have prereqs

and cskewer is not incompatible with anything

other than achilles

[heady monolith]

ty

[sinful topaz]

Ah, then it's just RNG screwing me over

[jagged hamlet]

Charged Skewer Guan Yu is really fun

I feel like it's the only good Special javelin outside of the very rare Exploding + Charged Zagspear

[mint coral]

Guan yu is exploding launcher built in basically

[jagged hamlet]

Yeah. So darn handy

[drowsy linden]

what should i get for luci

[stone rune]

same as eris

but triple bomb best hammer

no other hammer compares

[drowsy linden]

and for boons?

[stone rune]

only other decent ones are piercing and targeting system

[stone rune]

eris build

so zeus attack arty/aph special tdash

or ddash if you want safety because luci is rlly unsafe

since you never get any iframes

and jolted ofc

[drowsy linden]

targeting, eternal, or flash
got a chamber 2 hammer

[stone rune]

targeting

since u didnt get triple ur gonna wanna focus more on ur attack now

[drowsy linden]

heroic ddash hooray

[leaden belfry]

why is meg inspecting zageurus bedroom with him?

It looks tidy enough

I dont get it

[jagged hamlet]

Everyone thinks it's a mess, esp Hades

[runic jungle]

Is there a way to disable the auto reload on exagryph?
Trying out hestia on it for the first time.

Though tbh zag aspect really made a huge difference giving it more ammo.

[stone rune]

you should not be making use of the auto reload on hestia

[drowsy linden]

for hestia, the strat is to shoot and reload
and then get atk boons

[jagged hamlet]

You can hear the disappointment in jazz's comment

[drowsy linden]

:widecharon3: moment

[runic jungle]

I know that's why I want to see if there's a way to turn off auto reload
Sometimes it happens accidentally lol

[stone rune]

after your power shot the remaining 11 rounds deal 1/15 the base damage

you should not be firing any of those 11 rounds

[stone bison]

if you're out of ammo, why would you not want to reload anyway?

[drowsy linden]

they probably dont have it maxed

[stone rune]

just shoot once and reload

[jagged hamlet]

Shoot the first round, reload, dashx2 (or special!), shoot, repeat

[stone rune]

at lvl1 its still 1/5

but yeah hestia kinda sucks at low lvl

[runic jungle]

Hm that's an interesting way to play it.
I'm so use to just holding the attack button lol.
But I do want to get good at all the weapons

Also zag sword isn't nearly as bad as i thought it was

[stone rune]

its pretty nothing

[latent moon]

It's not an "interesting way to play it" it's the best way to play it lmao

Unloading the rest of the clip is like equal to 1 empowered shot

[runic jungle]

It's an interesting way to play it compared to the way I usually play it yes.

[latent moon]

So you'd rather just reload for the empowered shot

[drowsy linden]

what too much delta chamber does to someone

[latent moon]

Actually unloading the whole clip is probably like half the empowered shot damage lmao

[stone rune]

110

vs 150

but since the remaining ones dont get fiery

its like 272 vs 110

[dire tendon]

i mean you aren't comparing the 11 shots to the first shot, you compare like 4 of them to the second shot

40 vs 150

[wispy sinew]

For the popper perk. In elysium those enemy respawn if I let them can they get popper perk?

[stone rune]

they shouldnt change after respawning

[wispy sinew]

Ok thanks

I was hoping could if I don't get enemy with that perk

[tidal finch]

FATAL EXCEPTION at 0x00007FFC6A5084B5 i dunno what this is

tried looking it up too

[drowsy linden]

#h1-tech-support

[tidal finch]

the tech support says (for microsoft store) to look in the saved games in documents, but its blank...

tried repairing gmae files too.

game files*

[jagged hamlet]

Zagspear. First room hammer: Flurry Jab or Serrated Point?

[latent moon]

flurry

flurry is always better than serrated

[jagged hamlet]

I see! Thanks

Oh so tempting to run Hestia instead with Ricochet Fire or Rocket Bomb

[latent moon]

serrated gives you shorter dashes but good damage, but you also have no survivability lmao

or at least less of it

flurry cripples survivability too, but at lesat youll get better damage

[jagged hamlet]

With Hestia first room hammer, would you go Ricochet or Rocket?

[stone rune]

rocket

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks!

[latent moon]

for all rails, you always take rocket/cluster

for luci you pretty much always take the special hammer lmao

the only exception would be like spread fire zag rail

[drowsy linden]

clockets funny(i have yet to experience it)

[jagged hamlet]

It's amazing. It's so strong it got me within half a second of sub 8

[drowsy linden]

better build:
snow burst while firing into a wall

[jagged hamlet]

Helps keep the underworld cool during high heat runs, probably!

[drowsy linden]

and to make it better, stygian

[jagged hamlet]

I recognize that Infernal is better in many cases, but boy does Stygian sing sweetly to my lazy, easily confused heart

Is probably why I'm not a real speedrunner

Do the speedrunners here ever just kinda chill and do slow runs?

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1156435086753939496/image.png?ex=6514f59a&is=6513a41a&hm=d0bc648b7561a1c2c673af884175169b243b727d1ed6304d6fd9f93c7b737457&

where is my hammer

[jagged hamlet]

I stole it for chamber 1. Sorry!

[latent moon]

you dont need the hammer

[stone rune]

my first 3 aspho chambers were 20s each

[upper tundra]

just finished the 2 loyalty card prophecy and my computer crashed so i’m hoping that saved because if it didn’t i might just kill charon

[runic jungle]

I swapped back to zag build for exagryph, and my word that one boon that gives you unlimited ammo so you don't need to reload is insane lol
Especially when it's paired with zues's lightning chain attack.
How they nerf chaos shield but left exagryph the way it was 😂

[stone rune]

delta chamber makes zag bonus useless

[runic jungle]

Ye it does but between zag and hestia I kinda just prefer to have zag.
How do you unlock the last aspect for it?

[stone rune]

pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[runic jungle]

Thanks!

[past summit]

just one more run, then i can go to sleep

[whole comet]

how often that turns out to be a lie

[past summit]

i got 3 duo boons, i have a good feeling about this run

[past summit]

YAAAAY I DID IT

ARTEMIS I LOVE YOU

i even got a new record

[jagged hamlet]

Only Artemis could hope to match Zag's dorky energy

[past summit]

favorite character, and has some of the best boons too

i kinda hoped for a romance option with her at first but the dorky energy is way better than any love lol

[cedar tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-zagreus-autism-creature-yippee-gif-16967843742685675566

[formal orbit]

did not know this work with SD, damn chaos

https://i.imgur.com/2WzUbok.png

the man just keep on giving, lose all dd to lernie tho

https://i.imgur.com/jJe7UoN.png

ri3 moment

[gleaming grove]

ive never rlly thought about it but are there any major mods for this game?

[void vigil]

you can check hades nexusmods or the modding server here #self-promotion message

[upper wolf]

Main mods I know of are the one adding more gods to the game (like apollo and such) and the speedrun modpack that adds a lot of QoL

[runic jungle]

Is there like a guide for the thanatos challenge?
Bc he moves too fast and get enemies before I can get to them most of the time lol
Or wait
Is it possible to kill them even when their hp bar turns purple?

[mint coral]

Yes

No much strategy outside of having great dmg

Poseidon stuff to push enemies outside of the circle

[runic jungle]

Oh okay that already makes things a little bit easier for me.
I was a lil dumb before bc I thought that once the hp bar turned purple I couldn't get them anymore.
I guess I was intimidated by how quickly the dude moves in my direction lol

[strong ridge]

just puppyguard thans killzone with poseidon dash

[latent moon]

beowulf or hera work well to beat than

very high and fast burst damage

beo will struggle more without cshot, especially in asphodel

[jagged hamlet]

The real secret to beating Than is to encounter him in Tartarus and just get a bunch of Numbskulls to kill in droves

[runic jungle]

I've only managed to get him to spawn in tartarus once lol
He tends to show up in asphodel the most

[strong ridge]

quickness killing

[runic jungle]

I swear something just hits different when you defeat hades with like 18hp left and on your last death defiance.
I thought I was gon be defeated for sure bc my boons have been so terrible but managed to beat him again

[jagged hamlet]

Close call though

[runic jungle]

Fr I was so nervous!
I used poseidon's aid but honestly I think that's best used against smaller bosses.
I hope I can snag zues aid for the next one bc I honestly think it's the best.
Does demeter and Hermes have one too? They are the only ones I haven't seen yet

[latent moon]

Dem call is pretty mid

Hermes has no call but he has boons that buff you from other calls

[wispy sinew]

Been trying to finish sea gods spite for weeks now is there anything I'm doing wrong? Beat thesus but posiden don't eana talk about it ig

[mint coral]

Always worth asking, you defeated them in em3 right

[wispy sinew]

Where he has gold armor right?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[wispy sinew]

Yea

[mint coral]

Rng issue then

[wispy sinew]

Do I have to stay on em3 to talk to posiden after beating?

[mint coral]

No reason to turn it off but it may help

Really hope hades 2 can refine things like this lol

[wispy sinew]

I will put em3 back on and see if helps. I can't wait for hades 2 I'm just working on 100% game rn

Also how many keepsakes are there? I have 25 but seems like there are 30

[latent moon]

You already got 10 wins?

[wispy sinew]

Yea

[latent moon]

Then you should be done

[mint coral]

Do you have dad's/Persephone keepsakes?

[latent moon]

The empty spaces to the right are just empty

[mint coral]

Also that, yeah

[latent moon]

To the right of dad and mom keepsakes

[wispy sinew]

Oh ok I didn't know if there was any missing weird shows there could he more

[stone rune]

https://reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/frJQ6tsK2Y this comments section has so much misinformation

[leaden belfry]

whats the misinfo

[latent moon]

that's not pstatus being good, that's just peak meme beams lmao

[stone rune]

apparently fam fav is 35% and multiplicative

[latent moon]

it's meme beams against tony

tbf credit where credit is due, that was pretty neat

pstatus just wasn't relevant compared to fam favs for damage lmao

yeah it does more but it's roughly the same with fam favs

[flint oyster]

Hey ! I have a question about the game :)

Is it worth it to keep the same god item through different stages ? If I keep Dyonisos cup, will I get another Dyonisos room or should I change ?

[mint coral]

Well ask away

[latent moon]

change

the "force this god the next time" gimmick thing only works once

[flint oyster]

okkkkkk thanks a lot :)

[latent moon]

so taking ares into tartarus will make you start ares, but going into asphodel you wont get ares guaranteed

you will keep the rarity boost from the keepsake tho, but that's relatively useless

[flint oyster]

i see ! thanks again

[wispy sinew]

Is there a list for the room changes? Like if I see a pim what are the rooms it could change to? Or is it completely random and not based off item before change

[latent moon]

do you mean like going from room to room? i'm pretty sure it's just random

there might be like a thing where a certain room can only lead out into a select few i guess

[wispy sinew]

I mean in the mirror the last one you get you can change room with it. Is there a list where say I see a pom,but for whatever reason I want to switch it. Is there only certain items it can change to? Same with Olympians

[jagged hamlet]

Yes. There's a blue laurel pool (meta items) and a gold laurel pool (run items)

[wispy sinew]

Ok thanks.

[latent moon]

Oh you meant reward not like actually rooms

[wispy sinew]

Yea my bad didn't explain it well enough

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/zagreus-hades-gif-20895332

[runic jungle]

I think I finally reached a point where I got the hang of the game
Been successful for a while now.
I am kinda torn on a few things though
Titans blood.
I got ambrosia so I can technically trade for it but like
Isn't ambrosia used for bonds mainly? I was planning on using it on thanatos at the right moment but the jerk haven't been spawning for me.

I'm also not really keen on parting it bc I haven't gotten a 2nd Ambrosia since i got the first one

[jagged hamlet]

Keep a few on you. You can get more by increasing heats if you've beaten the game once. Or collect bounties on weapons which you've yet to clear Elysium with

You can safely spend Ambrosia on Titan's blood so long as you don't like spend all of it

[mint coral]

you have more ambrosia than needed between all bounties/prophecies iirc

vs blood that you do need to trade

[stone rune]

you need a lot for the whatever though right

eh ig not

[jagged hamlet]

You can also buy Titan's Bloods from the shop in Styx!

Get lucky and fish up a bunch of Sturgeon after the final fight too 😄

[mint coral]

I guess lol

oh yeah fishing good

[runic jungle]

I suck at fishing lmao
I only successfully managed to get one fish.

[jagged hamlet]

NOOO! You should improve that ASAP. You get so, so much meta currency from fish

[mint coral]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.

[runic jungle]

Oh... then I'm kinda nervous then bc I've already tried using heat once and then ditched it lol.
I wanted to get used to the game more before trying heat again

[jagged hamlet]

Some of the heats are pretty hecking easy

[mint coral]

most heat alone will barely change anything

basically just avoid +enemies/trap dmg/less mirror/less boons/more hp

[runic jungle]

The one I tried was the security one I think
I am smart enough to dodge most traps but magma?
I was a goner lol

[mint coral]

nice timing

[jagged hamlet]

Heightened Security is the single worst point of heat

[mint coral]

even if you can dodge magma HS is not worth

[brisk trail]

which one is that

[mint coral]

you won't play perfect and one mistake in styx/dad fight means 100+ hp gone

[mint coral]

trap dmg

[brisk trail]

i hate the traps

[runic jungle]

Also my boon luck was absolutely terrible for that run omg.
I haven't gotten that many great ones recently either
I was praying for zues to show up but I kept getting the same ones lol

I've had my most success with zeus boons so far.
Lighting chain for basic attack + delta chamber + zeus aid = cheese time.

[mint coral]

mirror/knowing how god pool works can help with that

sometimes rng will still hate you but lol

[jagged hamlet]

Were you not using the Zeus keepsake?

[runic jungle]

I forgot I had it lol I've used it for the last two runs I did though
But even when I wasn't using it before Zeus boon showed up at least once.
But I was getting spammed with everyone else

Didn't even get their calls either which added to me pain

[mint coral]

wait do you know how the god pool works?

[jagged hamlet]

Eh most calls are kinda just okay unless it's Dio or Zeus's

[mint coral]

can make a difference seeing only 4 gods vs 8 of them lol

[runic jungle]

Honestly I don't have a clue how it works

[mint coral]

grab a boon from a god and they are added to your pool, once you have 4 gods, they get locked in and the rest won't show up

(hermes/chaos excluded)
and a few other cases
-keepsakes can add more gods to your pool
5+ god pools can be done through midshops/styx sometimes
selling all boons from a god won't remove them

[runic jungle]

Artemis, poseidon, and aphrodite are honestly not that bad against smaller bosses and sometimes hades.
Aphrodite pulled through for me against hades just now.
Charm is surprisingly not that bad

[jagged hamlet]

Oh, right. I do like Poseidon against mobs and the like

[mint coral]

poseidon call is super fun if rip current shows up

[runic jungle]

I really wished I knew that earlier oml I've been doing everything badly so far lmfao.
I mean sure I've been beating the game but like
Now I can be smart about it

[runic jungle]

I love using poseidon call against the hydra the most ngl.

[jagged hamlet]

Is indeed pretty nice against Hydra

[latent moon]

Just dodge the trap/magma is a great philosophy until you get smacked for 150 damage by a dad pot lol

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/896859166453428264/2021101017375900-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg?width=1202&height=676 I'll always find an excuse to post this one again

who needs to play a weapon when you got smair and rip current in tart

[jagged hamlet]

2.6 seconds 👀

[mint coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[past summit]

i don't know why I expected Charon to be easy

one swing of that oar breaks every bone in my body

[sudden hearth]

I'm legitimately confused on how to unlock the hidden aspects for the weapons. Can anyone explain it to me please?

[gray apex]

Check #h1-story-discussion pins

[sudden hearth]

thanks 🙂

[rose jacinth]

Does demeter start showing up after you beat hades or after you make it to hades?

[stone rune]

make it

[rose jacinth]

oh ok

I almost killed him last run c:

[halcyon girder]

Aight this is probably it my first 33 heat level I'm probably gonna die to Hades because I forgot to change the extreme measures to 3 Now it's 4

Two death defiance left

Tried my best died

[runic jungle]

Is there a way to reunite Achilles and his bf?

[mint coral]

Talk to them a lot basically

Also needs Orpheus or Sysiphus favors done I think

[runic jungle]

Oh sweet
And noted about orpheus and sysiphus.
Also, how exactly do you know what the favors are? Is it just said in dialog bc I play the switch version the most and can't tell

[gray apex]

You can discover them through the dialogue yea. Or you can check the wiki

[stiff obsidian]

does foresight affect chaos and erebus odds

[dire tendon]

Has anyone tried a "zagless" hades run

Where none of the damage comes from zag

(calls, summons, traps, etc)

[runic jungle]

Does the narrator guy have an identity? Zag can hear him which i always find funny
I'm just wondering who he actually is

[silver bough]

hi
what is best weapon in general???

[dire tendon]

IIRC it's homer

[runic jungle]

Ooh

Also how did they make charon the hardest boss in the game lmfao

[mint coral]

Is a theory iirc, based on the bust that you can buy for the house

[uncut star]

ive never seen thanatos smiling

kinda cute

[runic jungle]

Fr

[upper wolf]

EM4 looking in the corner like 👀

[uncut star]

charon hits like a truck holy

[runic jungle]

Also wait is it true that thanatos and hypnos are brothers?
Read a fanfic where they were related and got so confused lol
Granted I guess non of the other gods look alike that much apart from skin tone I guess but still

[ionic hemlock]

They are brothers

[upper wolf]

Yeah

Also with Charon

Nyx had a lot of children

[runic jungle]

Ikr.
Like I managed to actually get him to low health but couldn't finish the job bc I got the boss pretty early on
I wasn't expecting it at all

[ionic hemlock]

I belive eris is also their sibling

maybe nemesis

[upper wolf]

Nemesis too yeah

Also the three fates

[ionic hemlock]

Oh yeah

[runic jungle]

I guess thanatos got the good genes lol

[mint coral]

Charon may hit like a truck but his patterns are really telegraphed

And the fight doesn't change no matter the biome

(countered by the reward being the most worth in Tart lmao)

[upper wolf]

Yeah I feel like Charon would be easy if you could train more on him

[uncut star]

yeah

his attacks are also pretty easy to dodge

maybe except for the half screen wide slash if you're dashing backwards

[upper wolf]

It's just that when you fight him you forgot about your last fight

[runic jungle]

It's when he slashes that gets me
It's hard for me to dodge those

[mint coral]

The oar swing?

[runic jungle]

Ye

[mint coral]

Just dash through him

[ionic hemlock]

The wide swings have a lot of range so stay close and get behind

[mint coral]

Dashing away from most attacks really is harder

[upper wolf]

Hug your shopkeeper?

[ionic hemlock]

My last fight with him was a ME fists build

so yeah

[mint coral]

Stun shockwave so nah

[ionic hemlock]

Hug the shopkeeper

The stun dosent last long enough to get you hit

[uncut star]

biig shockwave

oh yeah he also does the waves thing when you get close

[mint coral]

Better not risk it

Baiting it is a good move tho

[runic jungle]

I tried to like the fist but I don't think I'm a fan of being up close and personal with bosses.
I feel like range is the way to go for the most part lol.
Which is funny bc bow is my least fav weapon but I love exagryph to bits.

[mint coral]

Range in hades gud

[ionic hemlock]

I just kinda spam dash attack and avoid attacks by chance

[mint coral]

~~Even if you play them like melee ~~

[torn phoenix]

@daring lantern u play hades?

[runic jungle]

I am very impressed that I am not tired of hades yet
Most games I'd be burnt out and quit by now
Hades has me in a chokehold though lol

[upper wolf]

Took me 100 hours the first time before quitting

dunno how many for my hell mode second file

I do have about as many escape attempts, but way less ressources

Game is good

[uncut star]

how do i do the lyre

quest

[latent moon]

Play it a lot of times

[uncut star]

mah lord my E key is gonna break

[latent moon]

210 times with a couple pieces of dialogue with Orpheus at some points

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695038221825867889/1156982147652005958/image.png?ex=6516f317&is=6515a197&hm=25462483fcd2658a8bd8972816740916b6848fd654c08269440991d126274933&

crossed 700

[uncut star]

zagreus doesnt like the thing

[runic jungle]

Part of the reason I'm so hooked onto hades is bc of zagreus.
Idk who his voice actor is but dude is amazing lol.
I love his humor sm.
One of my favorite lines is where he tries to speak like Charon after beating him twice.

[jagged hamlet]

It's speedrunner/composer Darren Korb! AKA Skelly!

[mint coral]

Don't forget Orpheus singing voice

[jagged hamlet]

Watch him act here: https://youtu.be/rNaTxFf7McU?t=950

[runic jungle]

Wait fr
Zagerus va is the same as SKELLY
and not to mention Orpheus singing?
I haven't heard him sing yet but zang that man has some range

[mint coral]

Wait for who's Hades VA

[jagged hamlet]

I think he has sung in every SG game!

[mint coral]

In transistor he does backup vocals only iirc

[stone rune]

sgg has only released hades

no other games by them ever

[mint coral]

Death

[runic jungle]

One day I'll check out other sg games but I'm kinda more biased for hades bc I'm a Greek mythology nut.
Same reason why I actually like ac odyssey
I need more Greek mythology games frfr

[stone rune]

i got all of them on sale

and played each for like

20 min

nothing hooked me

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/cX56xOTAbiA?si=FFAB57N64i1K3ZOv
1:41 for the hades roles

[runic jungle]

I got hades on sale lol
Both switch version and pc version

[mint coral]

I've played hades the most but that's kinda expected for a roguelite lol

[runic jungle]

Though I'm thinking that getting it on switch was a mistake bc my hands hurt after a while.
Got the oled model

[mint coral]

I love the other games more

[stone rune]

which one should i play

[runic jungle]

Hades is the first roguelite I've actually enjoyed.
But that's prolly just bc Greek mythology

[mint coral]

Release order is fun to see how the studio has grown

[jagged hamlet]

I played Bastion tons recently because Score Mode got its fangs in me

[mint coral]

Bastion combat is the most similar to hades (but you'll probably think of it as an early version, as its slower pace)

[jagged hamlet]

16.7 mil score awoo

[mint coral]

Weird gameplay go for transistor, if you like reading/choices matter go for pyre

[runic jungle]

Like the one thing I wished was in the first game is apollo bc he's my favorite greek god
But now I can't get a Canon apollo and zag interaction at all and that makes me sad a lil.
Like sure he's gonna be in the sequel I think
But no zag so it's not the same

[mint coral]

Transistor story is also my 2nd fav

[jagged hamlet]

I like how Pike is meta in Bastion but a bit meh in Hades

[mint coral]

Hades story and soundtrack are prob my less favorite of sgg tbh

Vocal tracks are great but outside of dad themes is just ehhh for me

[latent moon]

i did a run through of transistor and liked it a lot

i still havent gotten through pyre and keep stopping and forgetting the story lmao

[jagged hamlet]

I guess that kinda makes sense since the musics have to be not quite as melodic such that it doesn't grate on you after 50h

[runic jungle]

Same ngl
Also the world building Is just amazing too
But I guess that ties in with the story

[mint coral]

Ofc I still love hades (wouldn't have played 700+ hrs of it otherwise lol)

And it was my first sgg game anyways

[jagged hamlet]

Speaking of musics, big shoutout to the strong beat that plays as you jump out the window. Really gets you going even hundreds of runs in

[mint coral]

Oh yeah, the bloodless ia great too

Shame the speedrun modpack get rid of it

[void vigil]

huh? why?

[mint coral]

Removes tiny vermin/barge of death

[void vigil]

right, right

[mint coral]

Can only play it in the house

[void vigil]

river of flame is one of my favorites

[runic jungle]

Idk why but on the nintendo switch oled somehow I play a lot better when my switch is docked compared to hand held.
First game in a hot min where I find the pro controller much more comfy to use.

[jagged hamlet]

It is kinda a fast and precise game. Probably helps not to shake the underworld like a salt shaker

[ionic hemlock]

Is barge a slow miniboss?

Nvm

It is slower than others

[stone rune]

slowest

for aspho

by far

like 20s

[runic jungle]

It's so funny how much dionysus aid makes hades boss a joke lmao.
Also first phase is so freaking annoying with hades spamming that darkness move smh

[mint coral]

Hangover on dad phase 1 is kinda sad bc of darkness lol

Also sneak miniboss

[upper wolf]

Is barge faster with middle management ?

[stone rune]

yes

by a lot

[latent moon]

Still considerably slower tho lmao

[runic jungle]

Demeters chill dash and dionysus's hangover basic attack boons combined are actually kinda wild when combined oml.

[latent moon]

Barge is just so sad

Why can't zag just dash across the magma

[sinful topaz]

Does Benefits Package assign a certain perk (or combination on level 2) as being very likely to encounter on a given seed?

Constantly getting large hordes of speeder and saviour (with damage control) low-health enemies on an escape doesn't feel like a coincidence.

[upper wolf]

I wish benefit package was a bit more balanced

It mostly works out, but sometimes it's just frustrating

[tender solstice]

i havent played the game in a while and i CANNOT remember the name of zagreus' mom someone pls remind me

[stone rune]

no

[stone rune]

the same kind of enemy in a room will all have same perk

[sinful topaz]

I meant that exact combination repeating in different rooms only in that escape.

[stone rune]

no

[jagged hamlet]

Persephone, but also technically Nyx

[tender solstice]

yes thats right, thank u lol

i literalyl couldnt remember

[jagged hamlet]

Or pomegranate lady, or night herself

[sinful topaz]

Each escape attempt either gets either no speeder enemies or like a quarter of armoured enemies are speeders

[stone rune]

thats you

[upper wolf]

skill issue is done, now we've unlocked "it's you issue"

[sinful topaz]

The personalised copy of Hades with RNG that'll never allow you to get charged skewer.

[jagged hamlet]

Is it just me, or do armored enemies sometimes zooom even without BP?

[stone rune]

some armored enemies are faster than unarmored

and swordsmen are always fast

[jagged hamlet]

Oh! I'm not insane then. Thanks!

[upper wolf]

One day I'll understand the moves of longspears and swordmen

probably not today tho. Nor tomorrow

[sinful topaz]

A longspear either does an attack with the spear (3 times when armoured) or jumps towards you (with an impact shockwave if armoured). A brightsword either does a sword swipe, releases a projectile shockwave, or quickly spams hundreds of slashes moving them from the opposite side of the screen directly into you at the speed of light ruining your pierced butterfly on this room.

[upper wolf]

gotcha

[sinful topaz]

what is wrong with RNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496015505002463247/1157063801468883074/image.png

[upper wolf]

Never noticed the difference for armored/unarmored longspears. I saw it for the archers and other enemies (notably witches) but not those exalted

[sinful topaz]

More projectile waves and I think they do more slashes in a row.

Ah, nevermind, I can't read

[mint coral]

you aren't using achilles aspect right

[sinful topaz]

Usually Hades or Guan Yu

[mint coral]

rip

[sinful topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496015505002463247/1157068679729664070/image.png finally (on the 11th run that's not on Achilles, not counting those that didn't get to the surface)

[upper wolf]

GG!

[runic jungle]

The witch circle stages are so annoying uggb

Also I think I messed up with exagryph.
To get lucifers aspect, do you have to invest 5 titans blood into the same aspect or can it be spread between zag hestia and uh
The other one?
Also do I have to improve the bond with Zeus to get the convo for it?

[hardy spear]

you just need 5 blood in any aspect of the weapon to unlock the hidden aspect

zeus bond shouldnt affect it

you need spear hidden aspect before you can unlock the others too

[runic jungle]

Oh then I Def messed up then lol
I should have just spent it all on zag since it only uses one and not two titans blood

[latent moon]

That should be fine actually

Unless you don't have guan yu

But you don't need to spend titan blood on it you just need to have it like available to be unlocked

[runic jungle]

Wait what's guan yu
Is that the spear?
It's been a hot min since I used the spear since I've been all about the gun lately lol

[latent moon]

Yeah hidden spear

You need that one first before you can unlock any other ones

[runic jungle]

Hades aspect spear is surprisingly fun to use.

[dire tendon]

I mean you're still spending 5 blood either way it doesn't change anything

[brisk trail]

Hades 2 pls

[drowsy linden]

never

[jagged hamlet]

Definitely not in 2024 no sirree

[kindred narwhal]

I am here to add to the "divided by death is long" discussion (last two cheeves with the reward from the quest)

Did not realize how many runs it would take to talk to them and begin to wonder if ending the run early affects it

[jagged hamlet]

Yeah. Gotta hunt ol' Eeyore down and all

[mint coral]

which prophecy is that

achilles?

[kindred narwhal]

Achilles/Patroclus(aka sexy Eeyore apparently)

[short glen]

Does Elysium intentionally try to get you to take a hammer or am I just getting really really odd rng where it's constantly one of the two choices for nearly the entire world most of the time?

It's really annoying because the sword hammers are mostly not good so I try to avoid that lottery

[jagged hamlet]

It does try to feed you a hammer

[short glen]

Rude for one weapon and one weapon alone lmao

I was gonna say I wish it wouldn't on sword but actually I just wish sword hammers were like. Good.

[stone rune]

it's more likely that you see second hammer in ely because your bag will be running low

[short glen]

Bag?

[stone rune]

#523766792963751936 message

[runic jungle]

Once you get to the locked heart there's no point in hoarding nectar for that character right?
I heard for thanatos specifically it takes a while to get his unlocked.

[latent moon]

Yeah

Once you hit the locked heart they won't take any more nectar

[runic jungle]

Ah so that's where the ambrosia comes in?

[latent moon]

Yeah

You gotta do their favor first to unlock the heart

[daring lantern]

nope

[silent yew]

Is the ThanZag ship real?

https://tenor.com/view/thanzag-thanatos-zagreus-hades-game-hades-gif-23878045

[runic jungle]

It is in my heart lol

[stone rune]

its literally canon

[upper tundra]

is arty special good on demeter aspect? is there and individual critical chance for each hit?

[stone rune]

yes

[upper tundra]

great thanks

[stone rune]

its like

the best special for damage damage

but the special you should geenrally have is athena

because ME

[upper tundra]

fair yeah

so ares on attack and athena on spec?

[stone rune]

yeah

and athena dash as well

athena+ares duo

[upper tundra]

thanks

[stone rune]

get poms in ares attack and also impending doom from him

and pom that

and see if u can get hyper sprint+rush delivery or greatest reflex from hermes

[upper tundra]

k

[stone rune]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPvQPqeeFE--dGgK62iVHx6Gwy7c8trb75RkEd9uK0I/edit#heading=h.xevsj9s4pz8n

[upper tundra]

it might be in there, would dire misfortune be good because of the attack speed?

[stone rune]

no

it doesnt really matter

since ur instantly proccing the doom

[jagged hamlet]

How bad is EM4 if that's the only heat I'm running and I go all out to get a broken build by the end?

[stone rune]

em4 is free on no other heat

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks!

[jagged hamlet]

Sometimes I think I'm moving like a lot of the exalted, particularly with sword, and I dunno how to feel about that because boy are they a pain to fight

Dash dash dash attaaaack

[latent moon]

what part is the annoying part?

like when you knock them back?

[jagged hamlet]

No, just that I'm moving similarly LOL

Like I dun wanna be like 'em

I guess I do kinda hate when the brightswords dash a billion times in front of me. Kinda leaves me discombobulated

[latent moon]

oh lmfao

[jagged hamlet]

Watching the documentary by NoClip, and it kills me every time Mr. Korb coughs or clears his throat. I'm like "noooo that's so hard on your vocal cords!"

Also, it's like aggravating how prettyful Jen Zee is

Buncha talented, hardworking cats grumble grumble

It suddenly hit me that they gave like Homer a super menacing voice, and that's stinking hilarious

Has anyone else watched the documentary?

[mint coral]

not entirely but I've seen it

[jagged hamlet]

I am really enjoying being able to see pieces of the stages and design of enemies in isolation and at my leisure. I used to love studying the stages before I started trying to speedrun

Lovely foreground elements filling on otherwise dreary black spaces yiss

[upper wolf]

I think ananke said it's ok before getting ME ? Like as a cope pick, if nothing else good is offered

Also I wonder how big the gap between ME and any other build is on dem fists. Feels like they might be the best non-ME fists

But then again, ME is ME

[jagged hamlet]

I wonder how much loss ME sees by not charging the special Special as quickly

[stone rune]

yea but it’s not a goal

[latent moon]

Iirc for zap fists to be on par you need splitting bolt and second wave

It's more high roll for the same damage lol

[stone rune]

and sea storm

[latent moon]

Oh right yeah

Which also means you need flood shot and tidal dash lmao

[latent moon]

i mean yeah it's solid

but to be on par with ME is a different story lmao

if you want solid damage then lightning strike, jolted, and tdash is fine

i mean the question was "how big the gap between ME and any other build is on dem fists" lmao

and the gap is pretty damn huge lmao

considering ME is the "kill things fast" build, i think it's fair to compare for speed

[stone rune]

they don’t

[latent moon]

didn't amb do ME gilga for 50

on ap2

nvm she did not

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1013824715984482474/unknown.png?ex=65178e98&is=65163d18&hm=efc4c50d1891493530407dd95018feb41372a10e17bd71e94984c551ccc77ca1&=&width=1191&height=670

lmfao aspect of tdash fr

[stone rune]

what ri do you want to do

meme beams suck

[latent moon]

i mean it's a pretty safe build if you get the boons

it's safer than blades

[stone rune]

you don’t do cast at 50

[latent moon]

ngl for 40 just start lightning

[stone rune]

at 40 just do hb

[latent moon]

or that

[stone rune]

with ddash

[latent moon]

it's still pretty flexible

based

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1109684575082401922/image.png?ex=6517964b&is=651644cb&hm=89bd48b3bfbbbb3341885ec313079bdf3470e0ab673cfec33feb04c3e33e5586&

50 heat build

achilles sub7 is pretty free

[latent moon]

not everyone is you lmao