h1-discussion

[weak charm]

suffering from success….

[latent moon]

That's like 90% of the mirror lmao that's like 50 keys or something

[stone rune]

bro tart is so hard

why are enemies apart

they should just spawn on top of each other

[latent moon]

Just kill them

[stone rune]

im tryinggggg

[latent moon]

Well try faster

[analog elbow]

1dd??

[latent moon]

But also like

[stone rune]

the whole mirror is open

[latent moon]

That's a lot of keys lmao

[stone rune]

my first win didnt have whole mirror

its like

that last one is like 35 keys

[analog elbow]

Cause gems are so hard to come by lol

[latent moon]

I'm sure all that darkness in the other mirror perks could get another DD at least

Gems aren't relevant here

[analog elbow]

You literally buy keys with gems

[stone rune]

what

you pick keys up?

in rooms?

[latent moon]

Oh

Well I guess

But like

That's still a lot of keys regardless

Like 50 is a lot

Could easily get another DD if you don't pour in all the darkness into the other perks

[analog elbow]

k? I guess they don't fit your standard of god gamer, sorry?

[latent moon]

Well I'm just saying it isn't as early as you think

[weak charm]

i was too lazy to save up for dd

[latent moon]

Ngl if you saved for a second one, the hades fight would've been a lot easier lmao

[stone rune]

can i take 131 tempest flourish on luci

eh typhoons

[latent moon]

Maybe idk ask speedcord lmao

[humble willow]

i beat the bull on my first attempt is that ment to happen?

[royal widget]

no but good job

[humble willow]

what do i do with the titans blood i get from beating mageara?

ive got 3 of them

[royal widget]

check #h1-for-new-players pins

[humble willow]

what does the table mean?

[rustic vale]

They’re used to upgrade aspects, which you unlock one run (death or escape) after unlocking all weapons

[stone rune]

just got told on reddit that Chiron is better than GY at speed and heat

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[royal widget]

redditors have this unyielding confidence

they just can't be convinced of anything

[stone rune]

oh and just got told guan yu is also worse than fists at heat

"fists have Guan Yu beaten when it comes to speed and heat."

sadly ananke zyru and tounis are too gamer or else i'd be able to correct them on another thing

[rustic vale]

I mean if Croven just used the best aspect in the game it wouldn’t be true for speed

[stone rune]

yeah it’s sad croven doesnt use hestia anymore

and now we wait

[rustic vale]

So sad that croven doesn’t use zag bow gy for speedruns atm

[weak charm]

thinking of doing a revenge build with cursed slash or that one daedalus upgrade for fists that i forgot the name of

could be funny

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1102784365366345758/IMG_0725.png

How to tell someone has never speedran in their entire life

[royal widget]

i only play modded smhsmh

[weak charm]

Any boons you find are more potent

Minimum Boon Rarity: Epic

oh my god?

[royal widget]

ikr

[weak charm]

free win????

[royal widget]

unfortunately it doesn't stack with refreshing nectar or yarn of ariadne

[weak charm]

damn

its like that one demeter boon but with the downside removed

this is just insane

[mint coral]

is amazing if you get it before your hermes boons

[analog elbow]

is amazing if you get it before your hermes boons

[weak charm]

luckily i did

5 dodges baybee

[mint coral]

idk, just get the poms

[weak charm]

and 30% attack speed increase

[mint coral]

basically same thing

[mint coral]

purple dashes my beloved

[weak charm]

if you get ares dash or poseidon dash its so funny

[stone rune]

the person on reddit just called me bad and said they got a sub10 on achilles so they’re good

[latent moon]

lmao

get a sub9 unmodded to establish dominance

[stone rune]

i will never uninstall modded except to install hyper

i might just migrate permanently to the hyper boards once they exist

[latent moon]

mess around with the coding and make it modded without showing the icons

[stone rune]

so that i can play hestia without an extra 1/4 1erf condition

[stone rune]

it still shows 1 hammer option and 4 boon choices lol

[latent moon]

well

make it so first hammer shows 3 options but make one of them guaranteed to be flurry lol

and well

first boon choice you can just cope

oh yeah fountain indicator

git gud

[stone rune]

i guess there is no aspect which starts poseidon atk

oh wait

super soaker

[latent moon]

lmfao true

eris takes pos atk if it doesn't get tdash at the start (lie)

[stone rune]

idk how lili and the soldiers of early running played eris

unmodded eris has to be so bad

[latent moon]

how

[stone rune]

the sub6 literally gets cluster first

[latent moon]

oh lmao

i mean tbf

eris is pretty easy to speedrun with

but getting low times

that's a different issue

[stone rune]

yea

[royal widget]

i will never uninstall mods because i'm too dumb

[latent moon]

just rename the mods folder to "not mods" and then run mod importer

[rustic vale]

This allows you to submit the run into unmodded btw

It’s a secret that speedcord doesn’t want you to know

[latent moon]

unmodded cringe

never again

i got my 32 heat and sub10 all weps and im done with it

[royal widget]

i gotta get on that jeez

[latent moon]

Lmao it's certainly an experience

Getting 32 heat all weps isn't too bad

Sub10 is alright, just don't get shafted by styx lmao

[royal widget]

all weaps i can do

all aspects i'll skip

[stone rune]

doing literally anything all aspects is annoying

[latent moon]

All aspect speedrun

[stone rune]

thats actually the first thing that pops up when i type sp in my browser

the src allspects board

[latent moon]

40 heat pops up for me

Tbf I used to do a lot of 40 heat runs and would open it up to check exact spots

[stone rune]

pretty sure ive done 1 singular 40 heat run

[latent moon]

I think I have like 4 or so on my YouTube

The earlier ones I don't think I labeled as 40 heat lmao

My 40 heat sub10 actually got verified the same night as my sub6 lmao

[stone rune]

what do i go for
-sub8 nem
-sub7 achilles
-sub6 hestia

[latent moon]

sub6 hestia sounds more painful

so do that

sub8 nem honestly isn't that bad

you could probably do it with a crit build, but also ME exists lmao

achilles also sounds painful but that's more doable than hestia

[stone rune]

i mean

sub8 nem cant be that hard given i got like an 830 or something first try

[latent moon]

lmao i have an 8:07 on it

[latent moon]

#h1-victory-boasting message

apparently i did shackle nem

and took divine strike, which was a loss in dps lol

[stone rune]

but you also got tdash

lol we both had GR and diio aid

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but also shackle would've been a lot better

[stone rune]

i think im just a big fan of starting poseidon

[latent moon]

which prob costed me sub8 tbh

7 seconds is an easy time save

[stone rune]

lvl4 and not >100 lmfao

[latent moon]

yeah idk why i took the atk

big brainn't moment

[stone rune]

do u have ur first victory screen

[latent moon]

my very very first?

no clue

i dont have it saved on my computer, and idk if i sent it in my friend's server lmao

[stone rune]

you gotta have posted it somewhere

i sent mine in a gc

i think that was 3 gcs ago

we keep running out of pin space

[latent moon]

i dont remember if i sent mine anywhere lmao

it's also been years so idk

i have the security log

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1032162632884551680/unknown.png?width=1192&height=670

it's kinda cursed lol

[stone rune]

nyaanyaa build

where did you die on your first run

[latent moon]

uh

maybe furies

i need to check

[stone rune]

i think i died to meg

i know that the first time i played in like sept 2020 i died to bombers like 3 times and then uninstalled

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1024011203326005298/1058217065187651634/image.png

green boon

[latent moon]

my very very first run died in a random tart chamber

run 2 died to meg

run 3 died to hydra

first time making it to hades was run 13 lmao

[stone rune]

my first run i died to meg

with divine strike and trippy shot

broken build???

second one i died somewhere in tart

[latent moon]

go there again at 16, 18-22 died to dad

23 was clear

[stone rune]

third one i died to lernie

i made it to dad on my 15th run

why did i have stubborn roots in multiple of these

[latent moon]

stubborn roots based

[stone rune]

lol my first clear was also 23

[latent moon]

all my runs have divine dash lmao

simpler times

[stone rune]

me too

i forced heartbreak strike and then divine dash

[latent moon]

i started ddash lol

kinda explains why all my builds kinda sucked

i did try to force ME tho

never really ended well afaik

[obsidian linden]

Hello there

I'm new to hades

[rancid panther]

General kenobi

[obsidian linden]

Started 2 days ago

[rancid panther]

To experience Hades for the first time, what a treat

[latent moon]

i recommend staying in #h1-for-new-players so you can avoid spoilers

[obsidian linden]

I don't care for spoiler

I'm not exactly new in fact

[rancid panther]

[obsidian linden]

Hidden code: Kenny from South Park

Ok, now you know I know

[normal marlin]

huh?

[surreal veldt]

Started hades tonight… beat him on the first try with a sliver of health left!!! And then he went to phase 2 😩

[native blade]

Yeah, I rember joking about old Zelda games with my fwend when the phase 2 actually happened.

It was pretty fun.

[surreal veldt]

I played through all of dead cells including 5bc running necromancy… I can already tell I’m gonna use cursed slash like a crutch 😬

[gray apex]

It's a nice starter hammer, once you start wanting to do damage and getting good builds you'll drop it right away

[royal widget]

shame it doesn't work on dash strikes

[native blade]

I need to boot up dead cells again.

[royal widget]

otherwise it would actually be usable

[mystic lark]

https://preview.redd.it/a5u5eql264a61.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=8fd0d8248dc8f9f381b6d4c8b7d5c7b906b469d0

[stone rune]

eh

[mystic lark]

I like one that heals you when you slay foes with special on fists

[surreal veldt]

Haha that’s gold. So the plan is get cursed slash, then get as many centaur hearts as possible. Got it. I can’t lose.

[royal widget]

lifesteal is pretty meh in this game

[native blade]

I just think u haven't had a good cursed slash run tbh.

U can literally be immortal with a good build.

[native blade]

Ye, it's quite spammable.

[latent moon]

Having to rely on flurry kinda makes it not fun lol

And it's kinda bad until you get it too

[native blade]

Fair.

[humble willow]

I just beat thesias and the minotaur on my first attempt??

[stone rune]

nice

[humble willow]

That felt far too easy

[rustic vale]

Just lacking a skill issue I guess

[humble willow]

its ok. i got my ass handed to me by hades

[rustic vale]

You get an optional difficulty modifier once you escape

[humble willow]

how do you dodge hades spin attack? i had deflect on my dash and even that didnt seem to stop it

[rustic vale]

literally just getting the dash timing right

Or staying out of it’s range

[latent moon]

dashes have iframes, so time your dashes right and you wont take any damage

dash attacks cut off your iframes so don't dash attack while dodging

[stone rune]

or just like

do a bit of mental geometry and dash twice the right way

[dire tendon]

geometry dash???!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

[stone rune]

pretty sure i jsut got my fastest meg split

on luci

11.23

[brisk trail]

which weapon is best to clear tartarus

[native blade]

Uhh… #h1-for-new-players

[pastel monolith]

the one ur best with

if i were to answr ur question properly id say bow
bow rules
but if ur struggling with clearing tartarus.. maybe ur probably not so great with bow

just keep playin ♡

[upper thorn]

hi, how to rank up keepsake efficiently?

[royal widget]

just keep playing with it on

[upper thorn]

is there anyway to get more encounters per run, or speedrun through it

[latent moon]

Go through every Styx tunnel

[royal widget]

skip chaos and shops

[latent moon]

Oh yeah anti Speedrun can work lol

[upper thorn]

anti speedrun?

[latent moon]

Not taking free rooms

Since keepsakes level up through encounters, so you wanna do as many encounters as possible

Opposite of a speedrun

[upper thorn]

ah okay

thank you

k k thank you

is there a specific weapon for faster clear

[latent moon]

Still wanna clear rooms fast tho

[latent moon]

Beowulf, Hera, hestia, eris

Eris is prob the easiest

Hera needs aim

Beo needs duo

[royal widget]

beo you kinda need a keepsake for boon

[latent moon]

Hestia kinda technical

Oh yeah that's true

[upper thorn]

ok thank you

imma go eris

[latent moon]

Well eris also falls in that trap doesn't it

[upper thorn]

how long does ot isia;;y tale

does it usually take

sorry i had a stroke lmao

[latent moon]

Wdym tho

Like per run?

Or per keepsake

[upper thorn]

i got 6x1, 2*2

stars

[stone rune]

probably like 45 min rta

for a base lvl

[upper thorn]

45/ base?

[stone rune]

yea

[upper thorn]

damn that's long

4h30mn for the 6 base, and some more time for the 2 2 stars

ok thank you

[latent moon]

I'd say like 2 runs per keepsake assuming from 0 to max

Maybe 3

Assuming you keep it on the whole time

[upper thorn]

k k

thank you

[stone rune]

should be 2

because you end in like c50 or something

you could theoretically rotate to evenly spread out

[latent moon]

That's for 2 sack and also not accounting for non combat rooms

Going through every Styx tunnel should put you close to 70 total chambers

[upper thorn]

lmao I got my fav build on accident

eris rocket cluster bomb with epic artemis special

why does this exist

[rustic vale]

Tbf clockets is kinda rng heavy

[upper thorn]

i know

ive gotten it twice

this is the 3rd time

i love every second of it

[mystic lark]

Do you guys play hades everyday?

[upper thorn]

kinda

it's kinda a refresh for me

after stressful sweaty fighting games

[stone rune]

NITRO 17:42

[mint coral]

?

[stone rune]

https://www.twitch.tv/nitrostarch

LOOK IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER

[raw herald]

spoilers

[stone rune]

i think

[mint coral]

Damn

[stone rune]

what a gamer man

[royal widget]

PRO

[latent moon]

Gahdamn

Big gamer

[normal marlin]

btw

I did em4 for the first time
and completely forgot I had turned em4 on

Got to 2nd phase and almost killed him

so close

so my question

should I be using death defiance instead of stubborn

I never knew you could stack more than one

[latent moon]

stubborn is only used for high heat

[latent moon]

those "stacks" are just extra DDs from athena lol

2 athena DDs and an SD is worse than 3 DDs

unless you get touch of styx dark

[normal marlin]

I've used stubborn for like my entire time playing hades

I didn't know you could have multiple DDs

[latent moon]

stubborn is used at high heat with lasting consequences 4

dont you just

upgrade it in the mirror

for DDs

or did you mean DDs with SD

[normal marlin]

I guess I switched to stubborn before I discovered that

[latent moon]

SD is objectively worse than DD for boss fights

[normal marlin]

and I'll have no problem saving all 3 DDs for dad

[latent moon]

SD gives room leniency, DD gives boss leniency

[normal marlin]

em4 should be easy now
especially cause I got to phase 2 and was so close to killing him

[mint coral]

How did it go with the sudden

[latent moon]

instaphase so fast you skip cerby

[normal marlin]

didn't get hit by him but that was cool

also

it unlocked "the unseen ones" in the music stand

and what was more concerning to me than the intensity of the first few seconds

[mint coral]

Wait fr?

[normal marlin]

was that I never even heard that song

and I got to phase 2 which is the end so idk

maybe it's for something else

[weak charm]

whats a good attack boon for the swords secret aspect

[royal widget]

Aphrodite

add Zeus call and hunt for smoldering air

[normal marlin]

Artemis

[royal widget]

[normal marlin]

2089 damage hit

[latent moon]

artemis isn't great mostly because you're gonna miss break points

15% of the time you'll overkill, 85% of the time you'll do mediocre damage

it's fine if you get a ton of chaos additives so that it'll do substantial damage for a 2 or 3 shot or something

and occasionally 1 shot

[weak charm]

aphrodites keepsake decided to give me her special instead

[normal marlin]

I have had very nice experiences with excalibur with Artemis attack

[latent moon]

i mean that works lol

just get a good % on it later if you can

hopefully by the end of tart

avoid poseidon's attack

[latent moon]

i mean it'll work

it'll deal damage lmao

but for consistency, aphrodite's is better

[normal marlin]

you ever just
level 20 trippy shot

[mystic lark]

Arthur + Artemis attack + modded chaos spawn rate was fun :D

[mint coral]

Lmao that does sounds fun

How much additive you got

[mystic lark]

100+

Maybe will try again later, but with chaos spawning in every room. THAT would be crazy :D

[latent moon]

hp begone

oh wait just use egg

[mint coral]

Egg actual use!?

[latent moon]

wait it'd be incredibly based to use olympian favor here

you're going into chaos every other room anyways so your boon chances are screwed up anyways

[mint coral]

Tricky part would still be balancing your curses

[latent moon]

oh wait the curses are gonna suck

just get the good ones

get all cast curses lmao

and special i guess if you can

[mint coral]

Make it truly chaos and play with ap2

[latent moon]

now THAT'S funny

[royal widget]

my record is level 19 heroic crush shot

[weak charm]

i really gotta stop fighting charon

i have not won a single time

it is NOT worth 300 coins

[royal widget]

keep trying

[mystic lark]

If you fight him, you should do it in elysium, when you got most of your build, since his difficulty does not depend on a region where you enter into a fight

[royal widget]

you might get more of a reward than 300 coins

[mystic lark]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

It totally is

[rustic vale]

I take charon almost 100% of the time I see him in tart

And honestly I take him less if it’s later than tartarus

Tart is make or break and there isn’t much on the line, and you get all the extra mileage from the 20% discount

The real difficulty people have with Charon is inexperience with the fight

[mint coral]

I've taken charon's bag sometimes in aspho when the door offers me a god I dont want in my pool

[rustic vale]

Since you don’t fight him every single run like the others

[royal widget]

totally agree

[rustic vale]

I do too

the case for fighting charon in tart is much greater then any time else

[weak charm]

interesting

[royal widget]

i think I've fought him 3 times one run

[weak charm]

should i try and yoink the shield or guns secret aspect first

[stone rune]

shield

[weak charm]

mk

love that the chaos shield gains additional shields with level up

that is very funny

[rustic vale]

You can’t fight him more than once a run

[rustic vale]

That would be specifically from having obol +% boosts from chaos, bouldy or poseidon

[royal widget]

yes you can

else i wouldn't have gotten level 2 loyalty card

[mint coral]

Isnt that only a thing when playing modded?

I feel there would be quite a few mentions of lvl2+ loyalty cards otherwise

[royal widget]

i mean i do play modded but only the Speedrun pack

i can't think that would affect it

[mint coral]

the speedrun pack does have a setting to force charon sack

idk if its on by default or not

[rustic vale]

👍

[royal widget]

is that so

oopsie

[latent moon]

Yeah lmao

Speedpack forces Charon sack in every midshop

[royal widget]

[latent moon]

Mainly for loyalty card speedrun

[royal widget]

gonna go for level 3 tonight then

[latent moon]

Do it

[weak charm]

just beat hades without any damage

woah

[royal widget]

op dedge or hoarding slash?

[latent moon]

shadow slash

[native blade]

Gigachad

[rustic vale]

Both

[weak charm]

im worried that this game is gonna become too easy and its just not gonna be fun anymore

gonna try and move at a…slower pace from now on

[normal marlin]

YES

just beat em4 for the first time

2nd try btw

[latent moon]

make it harder with heat lol

[royal widget]

what would it take to make chaos shield good?

not boons, but a rework

[rustic vale]

Giving it back early access aoe

[latent moon]

was there a wind up time for the special

also is there one for zeus

[rustic vale]

Not that I remember

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[latent moon]

ah

well it was considered good during EA

[stone rune]

replace with zagshield 2: +40 base bull rush/cshot damage

[latent moon]

idk if it'd be considered good now considering how the meta shifted

[rustic vale]

Make chaos the zag sword of shields

[latent moon]

faster special kinda neat

[rustic vale]

No, faster attack includijg bull rush

[terse zinc]

Anybody able to confirm that moving files from epic directory to steam directory allows me to launch the game from steam after I uninstall epic games launcher?

[stone rune]

why do you want to do this

[terse zinc]

hate epic games launcher and wanna remove it

[latent moon]

could ask in #h1-tech-support lmao

[terse zinc]

go have a look in that channel

[stone rune]

ok but you donggt need to do that

[terse zinc]

see what ya find

[stone rune]

do you own the game on steam?

if so

your saves are in the same place

[terse zinc]

nah I don't

[stone rune]

oh

well

you can launch without anyways

just go into

[terse zinc]

wait what

[stone rune]

\Hades\x64 and run Hades.exe

[terse zinc]

and that can like

launch itself?

[stone rune]

or x86 ig

yea it can

i do it when my mom locks me out of the steam account

[terse zinc]

damn!

ahahah thats sick

[latent moon]

tbf i dont open that channel lmao my bad

[terse zinc]

nah ur right mate

[stone rune]

i have that channel muted and hide muted channels on lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1103192827216797746/image.png

every copy of sggcord is personalised

[void vigil]

you can add it as a non steam game, but if you dont own it on steam, it will not count things like achievements and playtime if launched from the exe. though it is drm free

[terse zinc]

no worries, thanks a lot everybody

also I don't know what DRM free means, lemme google

So does hades get pirated all the time then??

obviously im a pathetic tech noob lmao

[stone rune]

i mean

[terse zinc]

but google says DRM free means its mostly trust that stops people from pirating it

[stone rune]

i'd imagine it gets pirated the normal amount

[latent moon]

games get pirated all the time i'd assume

[stone rune]

like

drm 90% of the time is entirely useless in preventing piracy

the only significant one really is denuvo

[terse zinc]

oh tru

[stone rune]

most drm serves to make pirated copies of a game better than legitimate ones without much other reason

[terse zinc]

oh right

[stone rune]

denuvo secures like 10 days of no piracy which is something

but also can genuinely cripple performance

[terse zinc]

amazing that i've got like thousands of hours played across at least a hundred games in like 10 years

and i straight up thought piracy was rare lmao

[stone rune]

i mean

piracy is extremely common in places that are like other places especially when prices are inflated higher than they should be relative to like the average slary

but also just

people like free stuff

pretty shrimple

[terse zinc]

especially a lot of young gamers that are too young to have a job to pay for things ay

[native blade]

Same, I used to treat piracy pretty seriously tbh.

[stone rune]

idk chill with me

[brisk trail]

actually I am using the shield

I was about to clear tartarus but the boss killed me 🤣

she was so low on her health

[calm zenith]

US companies using US law is kinda annoying but piracy is a bit more complex in Canada iirc

We can pirate stuff for personal use. Personally I've really only ever done it for anime, Binding of Isaac way when I think Rebirth came out, and like some movies but not many. For Isaac at least I've bought that entire game multiple times, so it's legal and also feels justified.

I became a fan and purchased more than I would have potentially if i just had never bought the game until much later.

And only did it because I was a teenager and me and my family had no money for that.

Oh and I've pirated a lot of music

But again a teenager who really liked music. Bought some of it. Would go to concerts if they came here. And pirating music is basically redundant with music streaming.

Obsolete. Only necessary for private archiving and some really rare stuff.

Something will happen for video games soon enough probably. Some cloud gaming streaming service.

[brisk trail]

I cleared tartarus

[calm zenith]

I paid my step brother money to play on his Wii so I'm sure it would work

Nice work. Just sword?

What did you get?

How are you fairing?

[stone rune]

can someone help me decipher this

A lot of my successful runs were Doom without ME. It has spell-like scaling but no problems with crystals latching and can be easily spread with certain attacks.

what does spell like scaling and crystal latching mean

[rancid panther]

How many runs did you do before you beat the game?
Also what weapon you used?
And did you use a build or whatever you got?

[gray apex]

15, spear, just got a lucky combo somewhat

[rancid panther]

15! damn

[native blade]

Indeed, that's craZy.

[gray apex]

Early on there’s a big portion of luck, some hammers/boons are much stronger than others on certain weapons. The earlier in the game the tougher it is to force them so it’s harder to control the builds you get. But as you progress, learning to force a specific setup is just stronger and more consistent.

[rancid panther]

I don't follow builds so I'm learning every step of the way
I'll probably would do better if I follow guides, but, the painful way is fun

[native blade]

No shot Charon just killed me.

[native blade]

It's nice to see a fellow pro-enjoyer.

[fickle crystal]

Took me till 50 to finish
But I wasn't trying to beat all the time
Lot of runs I was just trying out different weapons and builds to see what I'm comfy with
Cleared using Chiron with a low tolerance build , not entirely what I planned
I just liked aphro and just went on random after it

[daring yacht]

Yeah, most games I play I find out about them from YouTube which means spoilers. I love hades because its mine and not taken from YouTube.

[rancid panther]

Just had an encounter with Sisyphus.
First thing he said when I entered the chamber was hello.
And the subtitles said Hullo.
Well, Hullo to you to

[brisk trail]

Hades surpassed all my expectations

never thot I would have to defeat boss in each run

to go further

[humble willow]

sussyphus

i dont think ive met sisyphus yet

[inland charm]

I don't remember much but i took like 36 attempts to beat the game
Stygian Blade, yea im a simple person
I always target Ares, Athena, Dionysus, Hermes and Zeus boons

[upper thorn]

https://youtu.be/lb36hR97Yp8

I love eris with zeus poseidon artemis

[native blade]

Oh nice, I wanna show you the one I got with Thanatos companion, if I can find it..,

[upper thorn]

nice

i can't use thanatos

[native blade]

THat's fair, it's finicky.

[upper thorn]

yeah

i just want 2500 with a button lol

[latent moon]

Run 23 with a horrible fists build lmao

[mint coral]

45 with a run focused on getting blizzard shot

[brisk trail]

how do you truly beat hades?

[stone rune]

you cant

[brisk trail]

@stone rune fr

[latent moon]

just hit him more

[stone rune]

oh

dad?

64 heat unaspected sword boonless mirrorless

no hammers

no keepsakes

[latent moon]

oh i didn't realize he could've meant like the game as a whole lmao

[native blade]

So I have a tale of woe to tell.

I was having a GOD run.

[latent moon]

did you almost win with your cursed pact

[native blade]

Sweatiest build I ever made.

[stone rune]

on gilga??

[native blade]

I cheesed SD to get Athena Defiance, got two god keepsakes to summon Stubborn Roots, I stacked health till I was over 500.

[latent moon]

alas, gilga is gilga

[native blade]

So I thought... lemme turn off God Mode, I've won em4 with just SD before, there's no shot I lose.

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[native blade]

I had Arth btw.

And then...

[stone rune]

thats your first mistake

using arthur

[latent moon]

turns out having 80% damage reduction is very helpful

[native blade]

And then...

I HAD DIVINE DASH!!!

[native blade]

The difference is insane.

[native blade]

I'm saying... Gilga is so much better.

[stone rune]

i mean

at least arthur gives you health and deals like damage that exists

rather than

taking health away

and giving you negative damage

[latent moon]

just dont use maim

[native blade]

WHERE WAS MY HEALTH!??!?!

WHERE WAS MY DAMAGE!?!?

[latent moon]

what was your atk boon on arthur

your health disappeared because you didn't dodge well enough lmao

[native blade]

I've beaten em4 Hades with the most cursed 36 pact I've seen with Gilga, Arthur sux (joking)

[latent moon]

or boiling blood and you got smacked by double damage a lot

[latent moon]

oh wait i forgot you beat the cursed pact lmao

[stone rune]

em4 dad will do 160 in a boiling blood double spin

[native blade]

True but... sword was built to trade damage...

[latent moon]

not really

well

[native blade]

Yeah, I'm just playing casually now.

[latent moon]

arthur kinda, but also you can't trade that many hits against em4

especially when he inflicts boiling blood

[native blade]

Fair.

[brisk trail]

I dont think

I will beat hades

the only thing I dislike is that we have to start again and again

[latent moon]

that's how roguelike/lites work lmao

like the genre as a whole

you'll be able to do it soon enough i bet

the genre can be defined as "if you smack your head against it enough times, you'll get it eventually"

[native blade]

I don't think... You like roguelikes there bud.

[native blade]

Indeed, sometimes you get burnt out and have to reset tho.

[latent moon]

thats what the next day is for

or at least next session

[brisk trail]

I really wanna escape the underworld once

guess I will need atleast 25-30 hours

[latent moon]

how many do you have rn?

and how many attempts

[brisk trail]

must be 20-25

I cleared tartarus

but before fighting seriously for the next places

I am trying to be stronger

[latent moon]

most people take a lot more than that lmao

[native blade]

I was finna say.

[brisk trail]

I think you need to reach chamber number 45-50

[latent moon]

not every chamber is a combat room

[native blade]

You want help with a meta build? It'd prolly help u beat the game faster,

[latent moon]

and also the end chamber number is variable

[brisk trail]

sure

[latent moon]

it's like between 50-70 lmao

[native blade]

Where's the pins Bananas?

[latent moon]

for what

builds?

#h1-builds-and-combat lmao

[native blade]

Ye.

[latent moon]

there's spoiler aspects in there tho

so idk if that's a good idea

[native blade]

Ehhhhh...

[stone rune]

end chamber is like

49-52 on a 2sack

[latent moon]

could always just ask about a meta build for some weapon lmao

[stone rune]

and then idek after that

i havent played unmodded for 5 years

[native blade]

Ok, so what mirror do u have now? @brisk trail

[latent moon]

modded is 50 or 51, but i guess unmodded you can technically get 2 short tunnels

[brisk trail]

wdym

[stone rune]

yeah and 2 long would be 52 right

might be 50-52 though

[brisk trail]

I thot I would complete hades before hades 2 🤣

[stone rune]

wait

[brisk trail]

lets see if I can

[native blade]

What's on ur mirror rn?

[stone rune]

cant you get 2 short modded?

[brisk trail]

wait

[stone rune]

2nd is forced short

and 1st can be short or long

[stone rune]

if you're trying to post a picture

[latent moon]

yeah, that's why i said 50 or 51 lmao

[stone rune]

post the link to it

so yea

50-52

[brisk trail]

I cant post image

[stone rune]

post the link like i said

[brisk trail]

Shadow Presence - 20%

Chronic Vitality - Max

Death defiance - 1

Greater reflex - Max

Boiling blood - 30%

Infernal soul - 1

Deep pockets 0

Thick skin - 20

@native blade

@latent moon total escape attempts - 25

farthest chamber reached - 19

is it normal?

[stone rune]

i mean

people progress at whatever rate they do

[latent moon]

I mean frankly it doesn't matter lmao

[brisk trail]

🤣

nice

let me complete broforce then I would play hades only

[native blade]

Yeah, ur mirror fits the meta.

Prolly focus on upping ur death defiances.

[brisk trail]

oh

500 darkness

I will farm it

now

[native blade]

Dark Regen is better early game imo.

[native blade]

Kk.

Also are u good with bow?

[brisk trail]

I can play

but I like sword and shield the most

the shield is literally tank

@native blade which aspect is good?

[native blade]

For bow, it’s Hera.

Maybe run shield if you think you use it better but bow has a higher skill ceiling.

[brisk trail]

is bow better

or that spear?

[native blade]

Bow.

[brisk trail]

nice

[native blade]

Also where do you die most often?

[brisk trail]

meg's chamber

[stone rune]

use shield

[brisk trail]

I have killed her 2 times

[stone rune]

it's easy

or rail

rail is also easy

bow is hard

[native blade]

Ok, do you have a clear idea of why you’re dying?

[brisk trail]

skill issue

[sour fog]

honestly with shield you should be able to just brute force it with the block

[brisk trail]

actually I cleared tartanus

so right now am not clear

once I face the 2nd boss

I will know what am I lacking

[native blade]

Yeah, if you're willing to be boring u can camp with block.

Just spam rush.

[native blade]

Okay, what keepsakes do you have?

Also what boons are u usually choosing?

[brisk trail]

only nyx one

today only I got to know how to get keepsakes

[brisk trail]

dash

and attack

[stone rune]

try and get athena's keepsake

[native blade]

^

[brisk trail]

ok I will

[native blade]

And get divine dash.

[stone rune]

and then just like use it and take her attack or dash

[brisk trail]

which aspect is best for bow

or shield

[native blade]

Good, try to get call as well but also you should prolly aim to round out your core boons.

[native blade]

For shield it’s Zeus.

[stone rune]

dont worry about best

just use whatever

what's more important rn is just playing the game

getting used to dodging

[native blade]

^

[stone rune]

you can get your first clear with a bad aspect pretty easily

[native blade]

True.

[stone rune]

because your first clear is mostly generally due to getting better at dodging

[brisk trail]

thanks

[stone rune]

you don't neeeeed a perfect build

or a good aspect

just do what you like

[native blade]

Don’t always dash attack, empty dash when u think you’re gonna get hit.

[stone rune]

play how you want to

and you'll figure it out eventually

oh yeah

you get invincibility frames on dash

but if you dash strike they go away

[native blade]

What gods do you usually go for?

[native blade]

Respect.

@brisk trail Do ya have the work order that allows you to switch keepsakes between regions?

[brisk trail]

the one thing you buy from gems?

yeah

renovation

[native blade]

Kewl.

[native blade]

When u get to aspho, use collar.

So get nectar and gift to Cerberus.

[brisk trail]

@native blade I was watching moist critikal beating hades

and he didnt even unlock all the mirror powers 💀

bro beat the game being basic

[latent moon]

From run1

Or did you mean like

Not all of the mirror

[native blade]

Yeah he’s just goated with it fr.

[latent moon]

Did he do fresh file lmao

I've never heard of this

[native blade]

He’s genuinely that guy.

[brisk trail]

@latent moon he beat the game

without unlocking all mirror powers

[latent moon]

So he had part of the mirror?

[native blade]

Also I thought for sure someone’s done a One Run Win rii?

[brisk trail]

but he was using aspects tho

[latent moon]

I mean yeah that's definitely a thing

[brisk trail]

no

[latent moon]

I just haven't heard of moist doing fresh file

[native blade]

Ah:

[latent moon]

Oh if he had aspects def not fresh file lmao

Homie just did not have a mirror

Kinda based ngl

Did he not know it existed or something

[brisk trail]

dunno

I read somewhere that he finished the game 2 times in 10 runs 💀

[latent moon]

That's doable with prior game experience yeah

[stone rune]

i dont trust that

he said that chaos was good

[brisk trail]

me neither

[latent moon]

But also he does play games for a living so also somewhat possible

[stone rune]

i immediately stopped trusting atp

[latent moon]

I mean it's still a shield lmao

[stone rune]

no he was using the special

he told all his viewers to go use it

[latent moon]

Hit and run is a valid strat

[stone rune]

which cant have helped with the chaos epidemic

[latent moon]

Slow as hell but it works

Not recommended but it can work

[native blade]

Chaos used to be the meta pick tho rii?

With Star Chaos?

[stone rune]

no im pretty sure that was only because it was super safe and easy nyaanyaa said it didnt have super dps then either

[brisk trail]

I think streamers are very good with games

cuz all they do is gaming lmao

Hades is literally my first roguelike game

[native blade]

Indeed.

[brisk trail]

so I think thats why

I am facing so much difficulties

[native blade]

Oh word? You’re not doing bad then.

[native blade]

Oh yeah, I miss Nyaa… :/

[sour fog]

I tried to do first run win and I could always reliably get to end of Elysium but either die then or at the final boss, never managed it

after several dozen attempts I just gave up

[dry mauve]

first run win is very doable

main issue is that the sword sucks

and is even worse with only 1 dash

since its best move is dash attack

[sour fog]

not for me, one dash is my doom

it's never question of dps for me cause I just did ME and absolutely wreck stuff but by the time I reach redacted I had so little HP that like two or three hits and I'm dead

because I can't dodge with one dash

[dry mauve]

just dont get hit :^)

[sour fog]

I mean true

[dry mauve]

its definitely kind of hard, you usually have to rely on dash i-frames to dodge big spin if you only have 1 dash

rather than just dashing out of range

but you can learn how to do it if you really want to do a first run win

[sour fog]

yeah and I never really learned that, I just double dash all the time

[latent moon]

"very doable" is a big stretch lmao

Fresh file is incredibly difficult

Doable yes

But not very doable

[dry mauve]

okay its very doable if you're willing to grind it

but most people spend the majority of their time playing with mirror bonuses so its rough if your muscle memory is used to double dash

[latent moon]

Yeah if you grind for it then it's more doable lmao

[dry mauve]

its definitely hard if you're just randomly doing a fresh file run since the fresh file is so different from regular run

[brisk trail]

ares

and athena give best boons

one of ares boons is literally doom

[royal widget]

(which sucks without a specific duo)

[dry mauve]

ares sucks

outside of exactly ME

(he's not actually terrible but i dont have a very high opinion on ares boons)

[latent moon]

Hunting blades also good

[dry mauve]

ye

but i find the problem with that is that ares cast is so... bad without a lot of synergy boons

so I basically never take it because it actually just makes you less powerful in the short term

[latent moon]

Yeah lmao

Ares bad unless duo

[sour fog]

I like doom cause big number good but yeah I don't take ares often

[vapid pumice]

Ares/Aphrodite revenge damage is really good actually. I mean, of course you don't want to get hit in the first place but it's just unavoidable for me sometimes. So...Revenge damage.

[stone rune]

heavens vengeance is better

[dry mauve]

if you want to win you just force one of artemis/aphro/zeus every run (depending on the weapon aspect)

(not including cast aspects, those have very specific builds that are uniquely strong on them)

[stone rune]

poseidon:

[royal widget]

never heard of artemis carrying

[old dawn]

ares is weird
his stuff is "just ok, not terrible, but you want other stuff" until you hit the right combos like hunting blades or ME

cshot be like

[royal widget]

that's cshot though

[old dawn]

dash i suppose is ok on bow

but all her t2s are either meh or need a specific thing to really work

[dry mauve]

artemis does the big damage for your primary button

it gets even better if your aspect already has a percent damage multiplier attached to it

such as hades spear

because crits are multiplicative with other sources of percentage scaling

aphro is the other big damage god for whatever your primary button is (attack/special depending on aspect)

and then you just take zeus for anything that hits quickly

[stone rune]

not really

that's aph

but like

the most versatile starting god is tdash man

[calm zenith]

Artemis is best when you stack many boons

She can potentially really out damage Aphro but is harder to build.

For example you need 2 boons for it to be good at all imo, your Deadly core and Hunter's Mark

Then for like a dash strike build you also want Hunter's Dash.

Then maybe Pressure Points for a little better consistency, then even maybe a duo like Heart Rend or Deadly Reversal.

Often just too hard to build.

If you like it go for it. I do it and prefer the challenge for big number.

#h1-victory-boasting message

[dry mauve]

this was a long time ago but i remember doing some expected damage calcs for artemis vs aphrodite and they were fairly comparable (depends on rarity/poms)
but artemis is a lot better in terms of expected damage if you get percentage multipliers from somewhere else

[calm zenith]

But Aphro core is just more consistent, and has weak

Aphro also has weak though

[dry mauve]

for example on hades spear artemis strike is significantly stronger in terms of damage

[stone rune]

so first off

[calm zenith]

And Life Affirmation

[stone rune]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AIW5HbOHISyth1SjJxlwA6Achu5iDk9hhFr3bwm6nFU/edit?usp=sharing

[dry mauve]

aphrodite is "more consistent" in that you just always get the number

[calm zenith]

Hades Spear is a meme aspect

Yes. That's what people want for high heat and low speed.

[stone rune]

aph means you aren't gambling on whether you meet breakpoints

[calm zenith]

But if you're just playing for other reasons like I do go for Artemis sure.

Just the facts.

Yeah

Breakpoints are huge

[dry mauve]

its definitely important for generic enemies

for boss fights you're hitting them enough that it all averages out in the end

[stone rune]

okay but you fight more enemies than bosses

[dry mauve]

but like, if you're fighting a generic, being able to hit a breakpoint consistently with aphro
or not being able to hit a breakpoint but being able to situationally crit to kill

does make a difference

[stone rune]

arty can be big but only if you already have a lot of chaos additive

[dry mauve]

though its very enemy dependent and dependent on what your standard attack is hitting for

[stone rune]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FQtJUh__E0eEOw-ZrQIOFXnMC2rr3TchKeUXiixolfI/edit#gid=0

[sullen holly]

Did you know depending on the source Zagreus is the son of Zues

[raw herald]

I don’t really take arty attack on hesty at all

[dry mauve]

high base damage aspects definitely favor aphro since you can hit one shots reliably without a crit

[stone rune]

why are you taking either on a low base damage

[sullen holly]

high damage is the option you want to go for

[dry mauve]

i mean plenty of weapons have medium damage buttons

like sword

[stone rune]

sword is nem

nem is both

[raw herald]

Breakpoints don’t matter so much on nem for dash strike

[stone rune]

because you have like

45% crit chance

and 2 hits

or 30% with big dmg

[raw herald]

My Nem pb has lightning strike 🥴

[sullen holly]

A good tip for beginners is that the more damage the better

[stone rune]

whar

no

[raw herald]

so real

[mint coral]

Flat dmg soup moment?

[raw herald]

Yes

[dry mauve]

dealing more damage is better than dealing less damage!

[sullen holly]

Took me a while to figure that out

[raw herald]

Pash dash curse of pain 💪

[sullen holly]

I always just do posiedon builds

[dry mauve]

more damage is better which is why you should always take ruthless reflex

[sullen holly]

Another good tip is to avoid dying

[upper thorn]

how do you farm gemstones

[latent moon]

eclipse boons from chaos, oceans bounty and sunken treasure from poseidon

and vanquishers keep contract upgrade

[upper thorn]

ok thank you

[dry mauve]

by gemstones you mean darkness?

[upper thorn]

no

the green stuff

green red yellow

[dry mauve]

for those I usually just save gold during a run and buy the big item in styx

then trade it down for gemstones at the exchange

[upper thorn]

is it slow to farm them

i need like 10000 for a theme

[dry mauve]

i mean buying the big item in styx is very easy

afterwards you just need to do runs until the exchange that lets you swap the big item for gems comes up

[upper thorn]

yeah figures

thank you

[dry mauve]

you can also do regular gemstone farming during the run as well

ideally you combine both methods

[latent moon]

buying the styx item is generally not worth it

[upper thorn]

and

when you need a boon

there is requirements

having more of the requirement increase your chance to get the boon?

[stone rune]

no

[latent moon]

not really

it just opens up the chance

[stone rune]

it can if it’s a non duo/lego

but duos and legos are independent

but some kind of t3 boon or something idk maybe

because there are just less boons to pick from

[upper thorn]

ok thank you

[supple sandal]

As in going from 0% to having a chance at all? Yes

But after that first one it does not increase the chance any more than taking a boon already does by reducing the pool of options

[latent moon]

depending on what boon you're shooting for, taking another prereq might not do anything lmao

[upper thorn]

im running demeter artemis chiron bow

i have demeter special, and artemis pp

im getting offered artemis strike, support fire, or hunter's mark

all epic

which should i take lol

or I can roll

[royal widget]

atk

[upper thorn]

chiron bow tho

just remember

[royal widget]

yeah so go for Marked

[upper thorn]

okay gotcha

[royal widget]

you're gunning for arctic clast right?

[upper thorn]

yeah ofc

artic blast

arctic

and maybe demeter legendary too

[raw herald]

Support fire sounds cool

[upper thorn]

wtf i found eurydice and i hoped she would upgrade my demeter special

because i have like 3 boon

and then she upgrade pp and hunter mark

so now i have heroic hunter's mark and epic pp

72% mark and 6% pp

with like 9 bolts per volley i probably gonna get at least 1 crit

and ofc hermes in shop had to give me rare special up

[raw herald]

Do you have concentrated volley?

[upper thorn]

no sadly

last time i got concentrated relentless volley lol

i have piercing rn

[raw herald]

It’s a hot combo

[upper thorn]

gonna hope for either of concentrated and relentless

gonna see

welp

2nd hammer didn't give me it

i hope the anvil will