I make sure it’s that picture in particular everytime someone brings it up
#h1-discussion
rustic vale
narrow hemlock
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strong dune
oh i c
narrow hemlock
sounds kinda redundant but doing it that way catches the spammers
stone rune
no such thing here, for the record. direct image uploads are only allowed in the...
dyno gracefully making sure i can't post two comparison pictures in chat in sequence
narrow hemlock
dyno is trying its best 😔
i think its also quite dependant on how short the time span is in successive posts, too quickly may ping the bot
stone rune
yea it mostly happens when i post two pomscaling graphs
normal marlin
can you only have 2 revenge boons at a time?
stone rune
can you only have 2 revenge boons at a time?
no
normal marlin
I must've gotten really unlucky
I had heaven's vengeance and wave of despair
I got so many ares boons but never got offered curse of vengeance
and I had vengeful mood too
revenge only build
I got an idea
I'm gonna only get centaur hearts if I can
even if I have to take it over a hammer
calm zenith
Haelian has a revenge boon build
Got like 5 or 6
And vengeful mood
It also requires specific "routing" of sorts.
calm zenith
You would either need to accidentally get a lot more gods than usual, or force it
stone rune
aph ares zeus athena and soemone else
calm zenith
Ah
calm zenith
Yeah
calm zenith
Just it translates to basically "enemies that hit you get slowed a lot"
stone rune
wait
calm zenith
Still not great. Not a dmg source without blast
stone rune
maybe greater delivery boost would be more than the boost frolm survivability
calm zenith
Meanwhile HV does heavy work on several enemies
And applies Jolted on all
Revenge boon only is pretty hard to do. I'm also fairly certain he almost died.
Might have been em4
stone rune
he did n ormal and then em4 like a year or two later
calm zenith
Yeah I might have only seen em4 then
Your best boon is HV so just pom that and Static Discharge
Probably pray you get Splitting Bolt idk
Vengeful Mood is hardly doing anything
You could technically do ME and it would be kinda good
stone rune
Vengeful Mood is hardly doing anything
whar
stone rune
3 seconds
calm zenith
You're getting hit more than that
rustic vale
In em4 he got hit a lot
Em4 is the only time you get hit that much
rustic vale
maybe greater delivery boost would be more than the boost frolm survivability
Hyper delivery = survivability
stone rune
its afk
rustic vale
aph ares zeus athena and soemone else
Aphro 👍
Ares 👍
Artemis does not have
Athena 👍
Demeter 👍
Dionysus does not have
Poseidon does not have
Zeus 👍
calm zenith
It's weird some Gods dont have one.
Artemis: shoot a number of homing arrows based on boon rarity
Dio: hangover burst like the dash
Poseidon: tdash 2.0
royal widget
arty would be like 1.5x the damage of support fire
damage scaling as support fire
and arrows by rarity
dio sounds easy as does poseidon
latent moon
arty revenge is just reverse support fire
royal widget
defense fire
latent moon
dio revenge sounds like a great way to get hangover override lmao
pos revenge sounds weird in concept
compact dawn
Jesus, fully upgraded Beowulf + Mirage Shot + Trippy Flare is insane
Straight up melting enemies
royal widget
yeah it's a great bug
royal widget
nope
mirage shot is bugged on beowulf to not have reduced damage
and trippy flare gets double the pom levels on beo
compact dawn
Oh
latent moon
i mean it'd be an okay build without the bugs lmao
stone rune
if u get the boons
well
if you get the boons and the stones
someone shoo me away i have homework due in 38 minnutes
latent moon
if you get the boons and the stones
it'd just be slower hera lmao
maybe faster with cshot idk
but like it'd be functionally the same as hera
stone rune
it'd just be slower hera lmao
i mean if u just like got all of them v quickly itd be faster than hera
latent moon
someone shoo me away i have homework due in 38 minnutes
go away child
weak charm
man im trying to do a heart rend run right
and i finally get artemis
but the thing is, the other door is a daedalus hammer
funny heart rend build…or hammer…..
weak charm
its gonna be really funny if heart rend is just not one of the available boons if i pick her door
update: heart rend was not one of the available boons
i just gave up a hammer for nothing lmao
did get the boon that fires an arrow with every hit though
pretty rad
latent moon
bruh i need 27 attempts and the admin room flashback to get access to it lmao
upbeat lodge
20 blood to spend.. Such riches, what shall I do with them?
stone rune
MAX HESTIA💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
compact dawn
I'm trying to max every weapon aspect
And just 100% the game in general without glitches
high wedge
upbeat lodge
I think it affects the rush, but not... Oh wait. Probs not beo. Yea, I'm sure it does
daring yacht
I think it does but I think other things that affect basic attack are more finicky
brisk trail
Okay 5th attempt
inland charm
brisk trail
10thattempt
gray apex
in your opinion?
Gilgamesh
royal widget
zeus has some of the strongest
sour fog
just found an interesting rounding error, had cursed slash + life affirmation, heart from chamber gave me +14, heart from shop gave me +15 and boss tunnel gave me +29
rustic vale
just found an interesting rounding error, had cursed slash + life affirmation, h...
Yeah it’ll give you fractions of max hp
it’s not a rounding error, more of the game just not willing to give you non-integer max hp
sour fog
I mean the fact that inshop gives 15 and room gives 14 is a rounding error
rustic vale
if you use guan-yu it’ll give you 12 then 13 hp
sour fog
as it's not consistent
rustic vale
I mean the fact that inshop gives 15 and room gives 14 is a rounding error
No that isn’t rounding error
It’s the game giving you the right amount
rustic vale
if you use guan-yu it’ll give you 12 then 13 hp
12.5+12.5=25
They aren’t cheaping out on you by taking the 1 hp away
sour fog
but two rooms back to back gave 14
rustic vale
yeah
It’s
Rounding your max hp for how your max hp exists in game but keeping the rounded off part in mind the next time it gives you max hp
So when you have guan-yu giving you -50% max hp
One heart will give you 12 and the next heart will give you 13
Rather then both hearts giving you 12.5
sour fog
that doesn't seem to be true, as I was 60, then after shop I was 75 (+15), then I got heart from room so I was 89 (+14), then next room heart I was 103 (+14)
rustic vale
You probably don’t have a straight -50%
So it isn’t giving you 14 -> 15 every time
Guan-yu’s a really ez example due to just being half
Cursed slash + life affirmation isn’t
Wait hold on forget it that is a rounding error I’m arguing the wrong thing with you
Even without life affirmation in account
Wait nevermind
I’m crazy
I mixed up -60% and -40% for a sefond
rustic vale
Wait hold on forget it that is a rounding error I’m arguing the wrong thing with...
Forget everything I’ve said after this message
rustic vale
What rarity life affirmation
rustic vale
Essentially
sour fog
+42% it says
rustic vale
.4*1.42=.568
So you’re getting less then 15 but more then 14 max hp every time
But the game can’t give you non-integer max hp
It’s supposed to give you 14.2 max hp every time you pick up a heart but it’ll give you 15 every 5th heart to make for the .2’s that added up
If that makes any sense
sour fog
it does, but then I am not sure why the first heart was 15
I got two hearts before life affirm, so I was at 60, and then after life affirm first heart was from shop that was the 15 one
and then the two 14 ones came
and then the big one 29
rustic vale
I wonder if it rounded .568 up to .57 or something
Then it would be a rounding error
Which would result in 14.25 every heart
Making it be on a 4 heart cycle
And it may just start off giving you the rounded up hp and not taking into account the next 3 hearts worth added up
Which would make sense
15(14.25+.25*3) -> 14 -> 14 -> 29 (14+15)
rustic vale
idk I don’t have an eye into the code
but it may just round the max hp up in your favour
Then add the rest of it up in the background
calm zenith
I wonder if it rounded .568 up to .57 or something
Then it would be a rounding e...
Most likely yeah it is counting the rounding off the start. I see this fairly often.
Usually aiming for a multiple of 5
empty jay
how do i unlock upgrading weapons? i get a different answer everywhere on google for some reason lol
sour fog
once you unlock all the weapons
rustic vale
how do i unlock upgrading weapons? i get a different answer everywhere on google...
Unlock all the weapons and then hop into a run and either escape or die and you’ll be given the ability to
empty jay
thanks
devout karma
any way to somehow up the chance of thanatos appearing in the lounge via mods or by editing one of the lua files in scripts? this mf has shown up only two-three times and is one of the only things preventing me from getting all companions
rustic vale
any way to somehow up the chance of thanatos appearing in the lounge via mods or...
He’ll only show up in lounge after he shows up in a run iirc
devout karma
He’ll only show up in lounge after he shows up in a run iirc
my issue is he rarely shows up in runs either, so i barely see him
my hearts with him are 2 , meanwhile ive maxed everyone else
void vigil
any way to somehow up the chance of thanatos appearing in the lounge via mods or...
the modding server is pinned in #self-promotion if you would like to ask there, as people there would be more likely to know how to help you
rustic vale
-Get into speedrunning
-make runs happen faster
-see thanatos more often due to just doing more runs
Ez
devout karma
the modding server is pinned in <#505164873328754688> if you would like to ask t...
👍🏻
lapis lantern
which fish is above the gupp?
devout karma
He’ll only show up in lounge after he shows up in a run iirc
he showed up in a run
only for me to not be able to talk to him in the lounge because he was having a chat with his brother
rustic vale
Well
I said “in the lounge” but it really should’ve been “in the house of Hades”
My b
strong dune
@calm zenith would you consider this a fine trade https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514291631113895946/1101970494359613440/image.png
calm zenith
Yeah keys are the least useful resource
You would need like idk, 45 keys to buy 1 titan blood usually
67% off titan blood for the worst resource, in other words
(Correct my math if I'm wrong idr the keys => nectar conversion)
rustic vale
You would need like idk, 45 keys to buy 1 titan blood usually
It’s 50 is it not?
calm zenith
Probably yeah
Not all deals there are great but thats probably one of the best you can get.
rustic vale
Wait no it’s like 100 according to wiki now that I double check myself
That’s super sus
rustic vale
Wait it makes sense
1 blood *1 (ambrosia trade)* 2(diamond trade)*10(nectar)*5(keys)
2*5*10=10*10=100
calm zenith
Btw is drunken dash really that good? Like how would a low tolerance build do?
On gilga ofc
rustic vale
Actually just straight up too many victory screens with it
calm zenith
So that's 9(12) stacks of hangover with gilga
rustic vale
I’ve sent so many images it’d be hard to dig them back up now
calm zenith
Boost the hangover dmg with maim, aphro special
Fair yeah
I should try it
I am done my other game kinda...
calm zenith
It poms well
Like any hangover
Not the best hangover scaling but its hangover scaling
raw herald
My first 50 heat 💪
calm zenith
Then rending claw for +50% dmg on it
Maybe get the hangover = slow boon. I never see it though.
Seems fun at least
Maybe Bad Influence appears
calm zenith
I dont take it much tbf
rustic vale
it’s the only hangover core that doesn’t have a boosted first pom
calm zenith
Usually dio has an unpommable you ca take
Weird.
Still want to see
Plus relentless rush is boosting it
I can totally boost the hell out of it
rustic vale
Still want to see
calm zenith
Gilga once again making the worst boons good
calm zenith
Best boons are shackle
rustic vale
I mean
Back then I was shackle best boon
I have over 24 victory screens using shackle which is too many
calm zenith
I'm gonna force an epic drdash so hopefully that scales better than 11 at 9
Then again it pulses 3 times
Maybe gilga is the wrong aspect but maim kinda helps
Demeter would work but that's not dash focused
calm zenith
That's so weird
rustic vale
Demeter would work but that's not dash focused
Dio dash, aphro special ares strike ez
rustic vale
Athena on Lucifer is such a niche
Wdym it’s the meta (if you follow TheGamer)
calm zenith
Sea Storm is my favorite though tbf
You get a high % special with auto detecting bolts
I think it makes more sense with how Luci plays on controller
Or how I do it.
With triple bomb especially you just fling them out to appropriate nearby enemies. You have less aim and a bit of a delay due to the aiming
So the bolt activating the special chain upon hitting an enemy is kinda important
Then again it isn't a good build before sea storm
Your specials just knock enemies away from them
Luci is just tough starting off though
What about ME Luci with Athena special and triple bomb?
rustic vale
The bulk of your damage is still coming from the special
calm zenith
Attack hit > trigger special > deflect > attack hit > other special > attack hit etc
True
That's why I just like the sea storm build
You can just rely on Zeus attack for tart anyway
rustic vale
You can just rely on Zeus attack for tart anyway
I mean that’s literally every +%special
rustic vale
You can just start with zeus and take any +% special and you’ll be fine
calm zenith
So Poseidon special sucking before sea storm is fine
rustic vale
Ofc smair is ideal
calm zenith
Smair yeah
rustic vale
But just having the +% means you’re chilling
rustic vale
ofc the real big brain is zeus flourish luci
calm zenith
Need the % special
rustic vale
your bombs auto self destruct when enemies get neat
calm zenith
Oh I know
Sea storm does too
That's what I'm saying
You get the best of both worlds
It's just harder to get
It's a really fun synergy
You get what I mean now? You get Zeus flourish but with a high %
rustic vale
You get what I mean now? You get Zeus flourish but with a high %
I mean just find chaos
Ex
calm zenith
Sure ig
rustic vale
I’m joking 
calm zenith
Like getting an epic Poseidon special then Sea Storm seems just as hard as getting not 1 but 2 Chaos special boons
On okay
rustic vale
Ofc just using a different special exists
rustic vale
Zeus strike and tdash do the work
calm zenith
I guess they're surface mines
rustic vale
And the bombs explode from any enemy attacks too
calm zenith
Yeah
Or Jolted
But like I previously said there is a bit of a delay after aiming at least ime on controller
Not necessarily that bad but you also have auto aim
So the Zeus special will always auto trigger anyway
You dont need attack. Tdash is still good
But sea storm on tdash makes it even better
Just seems like a worthwhile duo if you want to target one.
I'd rather aim for more than less.
rustic vale
It’s not exactly worthwhile because you have to take an inferior special but
rustic vale
Yes
calm zenith
Do you get what I mean about auto aim? Is there just another way?
calm zenith
I dont go for speed so I dont know if the auto trigger is faster than just smair
Then again with my keybinds it feels that way
Call also has a delay. Not like lag just controller input/digit movement.
I have to press down with my thumb on a joycon, that takes longer than a button press.
I also need to move my thumb to the joycon from my buttons
rustic vale
I don’t think my call is mapped to a joycon bump
calm zenith
Yeah that's probably my issue. Might try something else eventually
rustic vale
I don’t remember
calm zenith
I mapped dash to R to make dash strikes more natural feelling
And dash specials and such
calm zenith
Fair
rustic vale
I mean granted I’m 500+ runs in and so changing things up at this point would break a lot of built up muscle memory
calm zenith
Lmao
I started a drunken dash gilga run. Got epic drdash
Then epic greatest reflex
Hammers inbetween are Explosive Upper and Rush Kick
Swap to heroic lvl 9 Blade Dash
33 damage a hit.
Its barely a coherent build lmao
6 explosive uppers is pretty good
Even worked in Asphodel when I had no flourish. Picked up a rare divine flourish in Elysium. Gonna finish it now.
I was aiming for Low Tolerance then Curse of Nausea basically, Athena showed up as my first miniboss, Aphrodite didnt give a flourish, and Ares gave a very tempting trade
weak charm
GOD I LOVE HEART REND BUILDS!!!
aphrodite attack + artemis special + heart rend + clean kill + cruel thrust = extreme fun!!!
FINALLY BEAT THESEUS LESGOOO
hollow ore
the boon trinkets only work once right?
as far as getting you the god you want?
so you swap to three different gods on each floor?
or did I misunderstand and I could keep one and focus?
latent moon
so you swap to three different gods on each floor?
you typically do god -> god -> utility/defense -> utility/defense
keeping a god keepsake on more than a biome is pointless
weak charm
oh my god i made it to the final boss
||i thought styx was gonna be way harder lmao|| spoilers for the final area before the boss
royal widget
the poison is tough sometimes
latent moon
that's better than three different gods?
your build generally doesn't really need 3 different gods
like you want a main 2
lethal bay
Is chaos or zeus aspect better for Aegis?
latent moon
you can force a third into elysium, but if you are then that's like a last resort lol
or you really need a duo
stone rune
Is chaos or zeus aspect better for Aegis?
chaos aspect bonus does nothing useful and zeus has a lot of extra damage
lethal bay
Also, when using merciful end with Malphon, is it better to use Athena attack and Ares special or vice versa
royal widget
ares attack by far
stone rune
yea u don’t trigger very much doom on special
slower animation
comes out after dash
rustic vale
Also, when using merciful end with Malphon, is it better to use Athena attack an...
Ares attack for every aspect of every weapon unless you’re using zeus shield
Then it’s interchangeable
I mean rama would prefer athena attack ares strike but that’s rama ME
Because you can throw on divine dash and just dashstrike into enemies to prok and drop ME
latent moon
dont die
rancid panther
I think I have around 80+ runs on hell mode where I never beat hades.
I now started a fresh game without hell mode.
Seems to be much simpler
I have a love hate relationship with this game.
Can't wait to get my ass handed to me many more times.
latent moon
I think I have around 80+ runs on hell mode where I never beat hades.
I now star...
turns out giving dad 5k total more hp is not a good thing lmao
rancid panther
ohhhh
Didn't even know about that.
I knew enemies have more health, but damn!
latent moon
yeah 15% more hp goes a long way for bosses lmao
for normal enemies, it's not as bad (but still pretty bad)
but bosses have a much larger hp pool, so they'll get a lot more
latent moon
for normal enemies, it's not as bad (but still pretty bad)
you're also facing 20% more enemies with 15% more hp, so that's not fun lmao
hell mode do be kinda hell mode
rancid panther
Tell me about it.
And I only use the sword so always on melee range
rancid panther
well maybe use a diff wep
I love the sword!
I will start using different weapons once I beat hades.
stone rune
are you using nem then
rancid panther
I still have the base one
stone rune
at least with nem your experience is easier because it does the big damage
rancid panther
I enjoy hurting myself for some reason
latent moon
lmao just get merciful end
if you have aspects unlocked and still wanna use zag sword, you can do the funny plume
but that's a lot harder to pull off
stone rune
plume is also worse if uou don’t know what to build
rancid panther
I never look up build, at least not until I unlock most things
For now I play around with Zeus boons
latent moon
well if you bash your head on it enough times youll get through lmao
rancid panther
lightning dash, jult, double lightning, etc.
This seems to easy the pain a bit
stone rune
I never look up build, at least not until I unlock most things
For now I play ar...
idk can be helpful
rancid panther
I know.
Just my personal preference
stone rune
not knowing build basics is how you end up with fmdrunken flourish
rancid panther
I just read the description of each boon and look for
synergies
stone rune
just saw redditors telling someone to take vengeful mood over Me
with ddash
and ares atk
royal widget
idk man as
stone rune
theee were at least 3
one who did it in massive bold text for some reason
one who said vengeful mood was important at high heat
and one who said vengeful mood if good revenge boons and if not doom stacking is good???
latent moon
oh those are a lot more recent lmao
stone rune
this is like those people asking patty vs hammer
latent moon
hammer because since they're not using dark foresight, it'll be their first hammer
stone rune
latent moon
i mean i'm not wrong lmao
tbf in a casual run, patty can be useless on occasion
full DDs, dont need atk boost or hydralite
since we degen speedrunning, we always take patty
also beo doesnt need 2nd hammer lol
stone rune
i mean hydralite is hydralite
stone rune
this is reddit bouldy emoji
calm zenith
Patty can sometimes not be useful. It happens.
0-9 heat Eris run with clockets
Or just rocket bomb since it's a hammer
Even more reason to take the hammer early to get clockets throughout Elysium
Vengeful mood meanwhile is just mediocre
The perfect selling duo
rustic vale
full DDs, dont need atk boost or hydralite
Full SD’s 
upbeat lodge
How is crit chance calculated? If I have nemesis, and activate deadly reversal, what's the crit chance?
devout galleon
How is crit chance calculated? If I have nemesis, and activate deadly reversal, ...
pretty sure it's additive. So Deadly strike on a maxed ZagBow gives 15+15 for 30% chance total for example
would like somebody to double confirm but I'm fairly certain that's how it works + and how it has always felt
Used to think it was stacking separate instances:
Which would be 0.15+(0.15*0.85) in the example but I believe that isn't the case
mint coral
Yeah crit chance is additive
remote tiger
Who's cast is good with Beowulf
royal widget
poseidon is the best
aphro is good too but styx is harder
dio is really good but slower because you need stygian soul
remote tiger
Hmm
latent moon
Pos cast best because it's an easy lead up to mirage shot
Which is bugged to do 100% damage instead of 30% on flares
royal widget
do the devs have any intention of fixing it? or is it fine to talk since it doesnt matter
stone rune
do the devs have any intention of fixing it? or is it fine to talk since it does...
no more updates
latent moon
We've been talking about it for years lmao
And also numerous speedrun videos online that use beo lmao
They've gotta be familiar with it
stone rune
didnt like ign make them watch a fresh file run
royal widget
does deflect work on melee attacks
gray apex
Yes
royal widget
how
daring yacht
Best shield aspect?
latent moon
They're very short projectiles lmao
latent moon
Best shield aspect?
Hidden
daring yacht
and how can i get the secret one?
latent moon
Pinned in #h1-story-discussion
daring yacht
?
latent moon
How to get hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion
daring yacht
how can i find the pinned message?
daring yacht
computer
latent moon
Yeah
strong dune
somehow it only took 39 attempts for me to finally see the snakestone boss in styx
slate quail
Uh recently every time I encounter than on a run my laptop crashes, is this a common issue or just me?
weak charm
titan blood is excruciating to get oh my god
i dont even know what ambrosia does but i immediately sold it for titan blood 😹
hollow violet
Uh recently every time I encounter than on a run my laptop crashes, is this a co...
Steam? There is a repair game option. Failing that, complete reinstall.
latent moon
Uh recently every time I encounter than on a run my laptop crashes, is this a co...
That's a you issue lol I've never had issues
Ask in #h1-tech-support or something
Or try what salula said
weak charm
i dont even know what i did but i revealed the spears hidden aspect
seems lame though so im sticking with achilles 🥱
latent moon
i dont even know what i did but i revealed the spears hidden aspect
the prereq for it is to unlock 5 non-zag aspects lol
humble willow
i was literally 1 hp of killing the hydra on my first ever attempt of it
his health was so low the slither was barely visable
weak charm
lambent plume is incredible
brisk trail
where can I get posters that are in stock
weak charm
im 100% sticking with plume when im not trying to get a specific boon
hermes’ stuff is general is just broken (which i am only just now realizing is because its a reference to how he is the only olympian who is cthonic, aka related to the underworld)
stone rune
im 100% sticking with plume when im not trying to get a specific boon
try to get a specific boon
mystic lark
im 100% sticking with plume when im not trying to get a specific boon
Pom blossom tho
weak charm
try to get a specific boon
no 🙏
hardy spear
Pom blossom tho
pom blossom is pretty bad ngl
mystic lark
pom blossom is pretty bad ngl
Why?
hardy spear
it only gives you a level every 5 encounters (right?)
and that doesnt count chambers that arent combat like charon, fountain, chaos, story etc.
youd probably take it into ely or styx after two olympian keepsakes in tart and aspho
mystic lark
it only gives you a level every 5 encounters (right?)
4
hardy spear
elysium has a total of 8 possible combat rooms but chances are youll skip a couple so youll only get one random level
latent moon
also inconsistent, your poms might not go to the right place
hardy spear
yeah
latent moon
might go somewhere not worth pomming
better to take something like hourglass or acorn
i guess technically speaking, mom pom can be better than hourglass if the hourglass gets no value
but also better to just have it just in case you can get good use out of it
mystic lark
youd probably take it into ely or styx after two olympian keepsakes in tart and ...
I usually run it for all biomes. And do not take regular poms if given a choice. Sometimes it does give you bad rng, but usually I get pretty pomed up in right places
hardy spear
i used to think mom pom was good too
latent moon
I usually run it for all biomes. And do not take regular poms if given a choice....
not having build control kinda not fun lmao
hardy spear
I usually run it for all biomes. And do not take regular poms if given a choice....
i think you just underestimate how powerful builds can get if you construct them properly using olympian keepsakes
what aspect do you like using most?
latent moon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1102107651690733578/image.png?width=1191&height=670
mom pom would not have gotten me this lmao
mom pom does have a niche use case imo
where you like
mystic lark
not having build control kinda not fun lmao
Cmon, whole game is heavily reliant on rng. I get way more flustered when I dont get right duos than when poms go to wrong boons
latent moon
reset the run every time until you get the cast boon from a god you want
and mom pom through tart
but then switch off
latent moon
Cmon, whole game is heavily reliant on rng. I get way more flustered when I dont...
i mean i'd like to have a strong build tbh lmao
also not using a god keepsake makes it so you're less likely to get the duo you want
hardy spear
Cmon, whole game is heavily reliant on rng. I get way more flustered when I dont...
you can greatly reduce some of that rng with god keepsakes
stone rune
i'd get more flustered if i ended up with zeus ares dio arty pool on hestia with plume and i didnt shackle
latent moon
and yeah the game is heavily reliant on rng, but god keepsakes take out a good chunk of it
mystic lark
what aspect do you like using most?
Chiron. Got me 32 heat. Now trying to get sub ten minutes...
latent moon
there's still hammer, room, reward, enemy rng
latent moon
Chiron. Got me 32 heat. Now trying to get sub ten minutes...
i would recommend not using chiron for a sub10
stone rune
top 2 worst aspects to speedrun
hardy spear
yeah if you want to try get a sub10 use literally anything other than chiron lmao
latent moon
it is def possible, but there's easier options
stone rune
oh i forgot about gilga
top 3 worst aspects to speedrun
it's slightly less painful than arthur
latent moon
if you want to get it on chiron that's fine, but do keep in mind that it's not the fastest
humble willow
unpopular supergiant opinion.
supergiants past 3 games werent very good, hades is their first actually great game, SG should stick to rogue-likes, it seems to be what they do best.
stone rune
yeah a sub10 on chiron is like sub830 or something on a half decent aspect
stone rune
unpopular supergiant opinion.
supergiants past 3 games werent very good, hades ...
#supergiant-games and also i dont think most people actually want to talk about this
mystic lark
you can greatly reduce some of that rng with god keepsakes
God keepsakes feel almost like a waste of a keepsake tbh. When you can get a good god rng regardless. It is good for making a specific build, but still feels bad.
humble willow
in a supergiant-games server they dont want to talk about SGG 💀
stone rune
God keepsakes feel almost like a waste of a keepsake tbh. When you can get a goo...
god keepsakes are literally the best keepsakes in the game
stone rune
in a supergiant-games server they dont want to talk about SGG 💀
we're talking about the game hades
latent moon
God keepsakes feel almost like a waste of a keepsake tbh. When you can get a goo...
getting "good rng" is kinda hard to get consistently lol
god keepsakes helps with consistency
stone rune
not about the studio
hardy spear
God keepsakes feel almost like a waste of a keepsake tbh. When you can get a goo...
i dont think you know how good specific builds can get
stone rune
imagine trying to get mirage on plume
latent moon
it's the whole reason why dark foresight is preferred over olympian favor
dark foresight is better for consistency across runs
with olympian favor, you can get some runs that are great where you get a lot of boons
but it's less consistent and less likely to happen
humble willow
not about the studio
i too was talking about the game hades. the premise of my comment was hades is (in my opinion) their only great game and i think in the future they should stick to Rogue-likes and hades as they are with Hades 2
hardy spear
what aspects other than chiron do you use? we could give a couple ideas
mystic lark
i dont think you know how good specific builds can get
After playing for 530+ hours and lurking on r/hades for more than a year I believe I do )
stone rune
i too was talking about the game hades. the premise of my comment was hades is (...
ok? whatever
hades subreddit lol
hardy spear
After playing for 530+ hours and lurking on r/hades for more than a year I belie...
ngl the reddit is a dark place
mystic lark
ngl the reddit is a dark place
Why? Reddit is quite nice imo.
stone rune
i mean reddit as a platform is
latent moon
it's more like
stone rune
fine
latent moon
the community is fine
hardy spear
i feel like if you did learn some decision making and builds youd probably easily get a sub 10 given your game time
latent moon
just dont take reddit suggestions for builds 95% of the time
hardy spear
the pacts i see on reddit
latent moon
i feel like if you did learn some decision making and builds youd probably easil...
this is also kinda true lol
unless you just started getting into speedrunning
the subreddit tends to praise chiron a lot, and a lot of them say that their fastest time is on chiron
which is fine and all tbf
but grinding for a sub10 on chiron would need a lot of rng
stone rune
chiron is just slow
hardy spear
i think i have like 200 ish hours and ive gotten all weapons almost sub 9 so i feel like the thing limiting you the most rn is just not knowing meta strats
latent moon
the pacts i see on reddit <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yesterday i saw a based fists pact
and like it honestly wasn't that bad, incredibly based with hl0 lc0 lmao
dc2 ap1
i think they got ME
hardy spear
yesterday i saw a based fists pact
and like it honestly wasn't that bad, incredi...
people running those ri3 em4 td0 32 heat pacts must be built different incorrectly
mystic lark
unless you just started getting into speedrunning
Not a speedrunner at all, yeah. I just played for fun untill few months ago, when I thought that I should spice things up, so I tried 32 heat, and after seeing today post on reddit about someone achieving sub ten thought that would be fun too. But for now got max 13:20
latent moon
did you see my sub6 lmao
hardy spear
what other aspects do you like other than chiron
stone rune
my very first try into speedrunning was to get the sub12 victory screen
latent moon
but yeah that's fair enough
stone rune
and i got like 13 minutes and i was so mad
latent moon
and yeah, what other aspects do you like to play
hardy spear
what other aspects do you like other than chiron
please dont say chaos
hardy spear
i think i got my bow sub 10 on rama first
stone rune
rama is hard
latent moon
just win and be fast duh
stone rune
literally i couldn’t get a sub10 on it a few days ago
mystic lark
Nemesis, Poseidon, Beowulf, Zeus, Talos, Hera, Rama.
latent moon
BEOWULF
hardy spear
literally i couldn’t get a sub10 on it a few days ago
skill issue
latent moon
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
stone rune
BEO
hardy spear
BEOWULF AND HERA
stone rune
GO FOR IT BABYYYYYY
hardy spear
beowulf is considered the best speed aspect by most and you can look at the leaderboards for evidence
stone rune
hamie jo do you have a sub6 on beo
hardy spear
hamie jo do you have a sub6 on beo
no of course i dont disgusting aspect
mystic lark
IIRC it gives more damage on beowulf, right?
stone rune
2/3 of us have beo sub6s
stone rune
IIRC it gives more damage on beowulf, right?
?
hardy spear
who do you think i am
stone rune
oh yeah
latent moon
IIRC it gives more damage on beowulf, right?
flares specifically, but yeah
100% instead of 30% kinda funny
hardy spear
3rd try easy
latent moon
so just flood flare -> deadly strike -> get duo -> win
if you dont get charged shot hammer, you can either cope with sudden rush or ferocious guard, or you can cry
mystic lark
it doubles cast damage
Yeah, I just forgot if it was 100 or a bit less
latent moon
honestly it'd be a lot funnier if it was some arbitrary number that wasn't 100
"yeah mirage shot does 56% more damage instead of 30% for some god forsaken reason"
hardy spear
join the speedrunning discord if you want more opinions and info
stone rune
me doing 117 damage with common lvl1 and mirage
hardy spear
me doing 117 damage with common lvl1 and mirage
you dropped two zeroes
stone rune
117.00 yea
hardy spear
latent moon
00117
hardy spear
i might have to try get a good beo time now but im console so unmodded 
mystic lark
join the speedrunning discord if you want more opinions and info
Dont think I will fit there, I am not much of a speedrunner. Honestly, I just wanted a place where I can talk about hades, since nobody in my friend circle plays it anymore 🥲
stone rune
well you are in #h1-discussion so go wild
hardy spear
Dont think I will fit there, I am not much of a speedrunner. Honestly, I just wa...
yo same
stone rune
if you couldn’t tell we kinda like the game
hardy spear
never
mystic lark
yo same
I tried to get one of them hooked up. Gifted her the game, she played for a month, and is not interested anymore.
latent moon
my friend told me to play this game and then they proceeded to stop playing the game while i still degen it
mystic lark
Wow
latent moon
it's been like a year
hardy spear
how did i even find this game
hardy spear
oh it was xbox gamepass
and someone told me zag looked hot so i was like "lmao im in"
calm zenith
I started playing when it got big
Started seeing Hades victory screens
Right after full release
mystic lark
I saw it when Kronii (vtuber from hololive) played it. She played spear only and said things like "I dont know how you can even get a clear on a bow". And here I am, using bow more than anything, lol
calm zenith
I mainly play on switch so that helps
I hope it comes to switch immediately on full release
latent moon
I saw it when Kronii (vtuber from hololive) played it. She played spear only and...
how tf do people play spear lmao
hardy spear
spear is my least favourite weapon apart from sword
calm zenith
Serrated go brrrr
latent moon
yeah when im guaranteed flurry jab on achilles lmao
but like apart from that
it's clunky
latent moon
serrated does have the damage yeah so it's less miserable
calm zenith
Spear has some massive dash strikes
mystic lark
~~how tf do people play spear lmao~~
Spear is kinda fun. With hummer that makes it hit multiple enemies on special
calm zenith
Beautiful area and reach on them
Sometimes hard to aim them but with serrated you have 3
mystic lark
Like shield. Captain america goes brrrrr
latent moon
Spear is kinda fun. With hummer that makes it hit multiple enemies on special
i don't touch the special button unless it's for raging rush on achilles or guan yu special spam
calm zenith
A special Zag aspect run can be fun
mystic lark
i don't touch the special button unless it's for raging rush on achilles or guan...
I mostly use special. With shield too
calm zenith
Explosive + charged is so fun if you get it
calm zenith
You have a massive special
mystic lark
Its fun
hardy spear
watch a beowulf speedrun and become enlightened
latent moon
https://youtu.be/s49jVwc6rS8
shameless plug
mystic lark
I know, when I play beowulf its different
calm zenith
You can do Beo special builds
hardy spear
https://youtu.be/s49jVwc6rS8
shameless plug
yo i love this guy hes so cool
calm zenith
I still need to
latent moon
beo meta used to be charged flight lmao
humble willow
does lucky tooth and deaths defiance stack?
latent moon
yes
calm zenith
It still can work if you really try
latent moon
does lucky tooth and deaths defiance stack?
DDs get used before tooth
calm zenith
Not good given you can use rushes
mystic lark
I just like cosplaying Captain America, focusing on special. It's so fun seeing your shield fly all over chaimber
humble willow
DDs get used before tooth
so does this mean i can come back from death twice? once before dds and then once from lucky tooth
mystic lark
Its a different playstyle
calm zenith
Try a special beo build then
latent moon
so does this mean i can come back from death twice? once before dds and then onc...
yeah
humble willow
ah ok
latent moon
you can use all 3 DDs, your tooth, and then after that you die
calm zenith
More even
hardy spear
Its a different playstyle
not great if youre looking for speed tho
latent moon
technically as much as your main HP pool allows because of chaos yeah
calm zenith
Athena and Chaos and Wells
mystic lark
not great if youre looking for speed tho
I know, I dont use it for speed. I use it for fun! When I use it. Which is not often.
latent moon
my boy patty
hardy spear
I know, I dont use it for speed. I use it for fun! When I use it. Which is not o...
valid
calm zenith
Then yeah Lucky Tooth
Lucky Tooth is often gonna be one of your first keepsakes
I feel players will tend to gift to the guy they beat up
mystic lark
When I was playing on a keyboard, I always swapped cast and special.
calm zenith
And it's a very useful keepsake
mystic lark
And it's a very useful keepsake
Iirc I always preferred collar back then
hardy spear
man maybe i should try playing games for fun instead of grinding for numbers
(this is a cry for help for my overwatch addiciton)
mystic lark
Well, I am not very competitive, so I always played for fun. Even in OW, I played like 200+ hours in QP on support+tank. Only this year, when I got a few friends to play in a party I got into comp. And I still cant get out of bronze... I always get so close, like bronze 1, and then it resets after new season starts
But grinding 32 heat was fun. I've been running like 16-20 heat before, so it was a big leap
I played with god mode on my first save, yeah
hardy spear
Well, I am not very competitive, so I always played for fun. Even in OW, I playe...
i think i classify as competitive if im currently rank 8 in ow
mystic lark
Then I got mom back, climbed up to 16 heat, and thought "hm, I think I am good enough to not suck at clean save without gm"
latent moon
*i think i classify as competitive if im currently rank 8 in ow* <:bouldy:523329...
ayo big gamer?
hardy spear
in open queue on console tho
latent moon
still based lmao
hardy spear
But grinding 32 heat was fun. I've been running like 16-20 heat before, so it wa...
do you remember what your 32 heat pact was btw
it's going to be a reddit pact isnt it
mystic lark
How do you aim with joystick ._.
As someone who used to resent joysticks before getting one since title screen said "better play with joystick"
latent moon
you aim with your movement stick iirc
someone with a controller can correct me on that
hardy spear
yeah
hardy spear
just make sure you have aim assist on and you basically dont have to aim
latent moon
bro. i get a legendary poseidon boon and its HUGE CATCH
was that in chamber 1 lmao
mystic lark
*it's going to be a reddit pact isnt it*
Nah, I only try reddit builds when they are fun, like pingpong with maxed out athena cast and zeus duo
hardy spear
althought aim assist is kinda dodgy sometimes
weak charm
was that in chamber 1 lmao
yes
hardy spear
thats scripted
latent moon
huge catch is guaranteed when you buy the fishing rod lmao
hardy spear
sorry to ruin christmas for you
weak charm
oh
latent moon
"oh hey you can fish now, you can now see fish more frequently this run"
latent moon
you can also take this opportunity to sell it after tartarus for the steam achievement and 500 gold
calm zenith
Yeah
weak charm
huge catch is guaranteed when you buy the fishing rod lmao
thank god
mystic lark
someone with a controller can correct me on that
Yeah, I meant controller in general. I forgot how it is called for a second and called controller joystick. I am getting bad at both languages, lol. I am forgetting russian words since I use it only to communicate with family, and I forget english words since it is not my native language and almost do not use it to speak/write
weak charm
of all the legendary boons that is not one i would wanna get ☠️
calm zenith
Yeah normally you dont get that boon without taking 2 of his resource boons
Bounty and the other one
latent moon
sunken treasure
hardy spear
Yeah, I meant controller in general. I forgot how it is called for a second and ...
ah yeah my aim is pretty bad ngl theres not much to it other than practicing
latent moon
on the other hand
mystic lark
I remember getting demeter + aphro duo for the first time. It was a first time I was glad purging fountains exist :D
latent moon
lmfao based
hardy spear
real
mystic lark
controller is generally preferred for speedrunning hera
It is generally way better for hades imo. And elden ring. Idk about dead cells tho, it is more or less the same for me
latent moon
dead cells is 2d so yeah i'd figure it be neutral
for hades tho
it's honestly personal preference
like yeah there's pros and cons, but they're generally not that big of a deal
hardy spear
the default keyboard binds are kinda wack tho right?
latent moon
there's top controller players, top kbm players
latent moon
the default keyboard binds are kinda wack tho right?
i think MiKE uses default lmao
so like
whatever
jazz uses default
if you can make it work then sure
but you can always just remap them so it's fine
hardy spear
sometimes i forget how quirky my controller binds are
i dont think my A is bound to anything
mystic lark
the default keyboard binds are kinda wack tho right?
Exactly. Always change them
hardy spear
well i dont play on keyboard and mouse anyway
mystic lark
dead cells is 2d so yeah i'd figure it be neutral
Yeah, but it still says that controller is preferable on a title screen, like in hades
latent moon
*i dont think my A is bound to anything*
that's a felony
hardy spear
that's a felony
i had my dash on right trigger for a while
latent moon
well i dont play controller so that's whatever
but the A button not being bound?
felony
that's literally the button to spam
hardy spear
well dash used to be there
but i unbound dash
but now dash is on x/square
which is where attack used to be
this goes on for a while
mystic lark
When I got my 32 heat win... My game crashed. Just as I exited last boss room. Idk what exactly was causing it, I had mods installed, (stuff like skipping the cutscene on death), but even without them with a backup save of when I just finished bossfight it didnt work. Turns out it was trying to send me into grece, and crashing since grece does not have a value to add to a timer. Thank gods I was able to fix that by modifying game code, lol.
Good thing part of it is written in lua, I just found I place where it crashed and added a condition for it to add zero if no value was found
Or it would be quite a sad evening, I wanted that skelly statue so bad
hardy spear
just looked back at my 32 heat clear and i had 4 acorn charges left
mystic lark
It is certainly not the best build, yeah. But it was one that worked. I was quite proud of myself for finally beating it. 🥲
mystic lark
Can you like change which gods you see
Kinda, it replaces boon choices with a mix of boons from gods you pick. Honestly not that good, regular boon choices are better. Did not use it ever since.
latent moon
Funky
Oh I'd like to mention
Multiple sources of hangover will override itself
So that Dio call is kinda worthless if you're using your special while it's going off
hardy spear
actually wait i dont completely understand that can you explain
latent moon
Me?
hardy spear
yeah
hardy spear
what happens if i have 3 stacks from my special and then a stack from the call gets applied
latent moon
It takes the call stack probably
hardy spear
so itd just be like if there were 4 stacks of call hangover
latent moon
Yeah
hardy spear
right
latent moon
But like you're gonna be shooting yourself in the foot the majority of the time lmao
mystic lark
Imho god boons would be way cooler if they gave some buffs. Like increase crit chances by a certain percent for Artemis (percent of crit percent, like you have 25% crit boon, and keepsake gives it 25% of 25%, so you have 31.2% total). Something like that. Maybe not strong, but to give some nice effects other than 1 guaranteed boon + a bit higher rarity chances
hardy spear
cool idea but sounds too complicated compared to what the current keepsakes do which are all really simple apart from hades'
native blade
Prolly a good mod idea?
mystic lark
So that Dio call is kinda worthless if you're using your special while it's goin...
Yeah, but in the end their damage was almost the same, and at the beginning it helped
hardy spear
man i wish i could mod on console
native blade
Aw hell.
hardy spear
resetting in tart for 50 heat changed me
native blade
resetting in tart for 50 heat changed me
…
Damn you’re cracked
What pacts do u got?
mystic lark
resetting in tart for 50 heat changed me
That was the point at going for 32 heat when I started modding, yeah
mystic lark
Instakill + death scene skip helped a lot. You just press a button and few seconds later you are in the house
native blade
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1093976986654879754/...
17 minutes…?
hardy spear
is that supposed to mean a good or bad thing
latent moon
resetting in tart for 50 heat changed me
Tbf normal resetting at 50 doesn't take that long esp because of ri2 and hl5
native blade
probably never doing it again
Yep, after I finish my cursed 36 pact I’m never torturing myself like this again.
native blade
so i assume a good thing
^
latent moon
*17 minutes…?*
Me who abused the 10th win and did 50 heat in 14 minutes lmao
hardy spear
Tbf normal resetting at 50 doesn't take that long esp because of ri2 and hl5
it was more how often id have to after getting wave of despair and thwn life affirmation
latent moon
Fair
native blade
Me who abused the 10th win and did 50 heat in 14 minutes lmao
LMAO!!!!!!!! Goddamn it, I should’ve done that.
latent moon
Tbf it was a good 50 heat build so I def would've been fine
hardy spear
honestly ely is the hardest part of 50 heat
latent moon
But I thought it'd be funny
That's because you play hestia
But also yeah
Ely isn't fun
hardy spear
latent moon
No lol
mystic lark
i mean i'm slower on no heat xD
My pb right now is 13:20. Which is not high by any means here lol. But when not trying to go really fast I usually got around 20.
turbid moat
damn nice!!
yeah i think my best is abt 20mins xD i'm not a great gamer i'm just here to have fun
native blade
My build usually starts to pop off in Elysium, I’d say the worst part of the run for me is Asphodel or em4 fight.
latent moon
i did it once at high heat on a pseudo 45ish pact on chaos
native blade
My pb right now is 13:20. Which is not high by any means here lol. But when not ...
Ye, mine are usually around 20, tbf I usually take the scenic route so my time ends up being 25+ tho
native blade
once and never again
Now imagine em4 on every run for a week.
hardy spear
Ye, mine are usually around 20, tbf I usually take the scenic route so my time e...
i take like 9-10 mins on aspects im comfortable with most of the time
latent moon
em4 not fun
native blade
*i take like 9-10 mins on aspects im comfortable with most of the time*
Nice!
latent moon
i entered dad fight with 3 DDs lmao
hardy spear
oh yeah i got caught off guard by how hard it was massively when i did it on eris
had a broken build thinking id instawin
native blade
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1085719870278221947/...
Damn… I personally know how rough that is.
latent moon
cp2 
hardy spear
i entered dad fight with 3 DDs lmao
wait so you got hit by like 30 big attacks
native blade
I’m saying.
mystic lark
Would be nice if time stopped when there is a fishing spot in the room. I want to go fast, but I also want these sweet resources to farm ranks T_T
native blade
The healing is my bane tho, cuz I can’t stop it from happening so I have to out damage it and I take more dmg to do so.
native blade
Would be nice if time stopped when there is a fishing spot in the room. I want t...
Doesn’t it? I’m pretty sure it does.
hardy spear
one knows their soul has died when they no longer fish
native blade
Ohhhh
latent moon
one knows their soul has died when they no longer fish
my new save purposely does not have a fishing rod
mystic lark
Only when you fish, not when you go to the opposite end of the chamber in asphodel
hardy spear
my new save purposely does not have a fishing rod
a husk of a man
native blade
one knows their soul has died when they no longer fish
True, honestly they feel like meditation spots.
hardy spear
i only use them to pause the timer for chaos and than tech
mystic lark
"Witchcraft. What can you do"
T_T
native blade
What’s that quote from?
mystic lark
Its what Zag said just now when I finished a miniboss room with witches circle. Lost a dd. Lol.
Shouldve looked at condition of a chaos boon, not only reward :D
native blade
Shouldve looked at condition of a chaos boon, not only reward :D
Damn… I once did a Chaos only build, it was hell and I don’t even know if I added heat.
hardy spear
isnt that basically just boonless
stone rune
no
native blade
"+60% attack damage" <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
"you face +89% more foes"...
I love more foes, what really hurts is when he gives me the Pauper one.
stone rune
boonless means your only boost is from mirror and shackle
hardy spear
I love more foes, what really hurts is when he gives me the Pauper one.
huh?
native blade
The one that reduces all Obol rewards to 0
hardy spear
pauper is great
latent moon
Shouldve looked at condition of a chaos boon, not only reward :D
In a hades relay race yesterday, someone took slippery grasp on Beowulf lmao
hardy spear
atrophic 
native blade
pauper is great
“We’re opposites you and I”
mystic lark
"+60% attack damage" <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
"you face +89% more foes"...
Or "you get hurt when you use special/cast/attack" on a build that is heavily dependant on that exact action. When everything else may not even have a boon yet :D
native blade
Not being able to hit shop is my nightmare.
stone rune
Or "you get hurt when you use special/cast/attack" on a build that is heavily de...
free mostly
hardy spear
ah whenever i get a damage on attack i just sustain the damage and chill at 1hp for the forseeable future
native blade
In a hades relay race yesterday, someone took slippery grasp on Beowulf lmao
What dat do?
native blade
Or "you get hurt when you use special/cast/attack" on a build that is heavily de...
OH YEAH!!! I hate those so much.
mystic lark
Tho more foes in tartarus, in a room with skulls that give each other hearts...
hardy spear
stone rune
What dat do?
can’t pick up stones for like 10 seconds
native blade
ah whenever i get a damage on attack i just sustain the damage and chill at 1hp ...
Damn… you’re more based than me
stone rune
ah whenever i get a damage on attack i just sustain the damage and chill at 1hp ...
standard procedure atp
hardy spear
yeah
native blade
can’t pick up stones for like 10 seconds
“My existence is suffering, my life is pain”
native blade
standard procedure atp
Y’all are cracked, I just work with the other stuff I have.
hardy spear
its not as bad as it seems when youre instakilling everything on beo or hestia
mystic lark
Does bonus damage when you do not have casts work when you loaded casts into weapon, but did not use them yet?
stone rune
yes
mystic lark
Ohhh, so basically free damage boost for beowulf?
native blade
zeus special is pretty funny with bow
Very true.
weak charm
zeus + ranged weapon = maximum tomfoolery
native blade
zeus + ranged weapon = maximum tomfoolery
Quite.
hardy spear
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082065225940996198/1102380258348507256...
seek psychiatric assessment
native blade
seek psychiatric assessment
Is it that bad?
native blade
But... It's fun... 🥺
hardy spear
honestly the worst part of all that is the innocent little cp2
native blade
Lel, "innocent"
native blade
At least it's fists tho, I'd be bawling on bow
hardy spear
youre giving hades like a billion extra hp on em4