#h1-discussion

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raw herald
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The bag?

balmy ginkgo
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i dont see any bag

latent moon
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Broker

raw herald
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Oh that

balmy ginkgo
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i cant post a pic here but imm talking about the offers

latent moon
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What's on the left is what you get I'm pretty sure

balmy ginkgo
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are you sure? šŸ˜

latent moon
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The bigger icon is what you get, the smaller is what you use

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So like

balmy ginkgo
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okay

latent moon
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Ambrosia on the left should have 2 diamonds on the right

royal widget
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does ME damage get buffed by priv stat

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i'm trying to used exposed and doom together

stone rune
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you dont need another t2 boon to look for

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you already need like 5 boons

royal widget
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but does it though

thorn void
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i think my save file is bugged. I can't progress for orpheus, nyx, sisyphus, or achilles. I've exhausted all dialogue and completed both the main and secondary main quest. i'm on run like 80 and have stacks of titan blood lol

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is there anyway to fix it or do i have to start another game? this is my second full game playthrough, the first one I was able to get 100% of stuff.

stone rune
stone rune
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dialogue is rng

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have you bought their things at the contractor

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all of those have something to buy at the contractor to complete their favor

thorn void
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there's nothing to buy at the contractor.. i know - i did it before. i'm supposed to be able to buy out the contracts

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nothing but the decorative themes... bought everythign else already

stone rune
thorn void
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the reason why I think it might be bugged is because I had to uninstall and reinstall a few times to fix the stupid gamepass lost save file bug

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thanks jazz

calm zenith
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Still doubt Hades is that poorly made that it would lose flags like that

stone rune
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gamepass, however, is extraordinarily poorly made

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but yeah i feel like it's more likely you've missed something

calm zenith
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Remember, these dialogues have a chance to occur and can be late in the queue

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Or yeah a minor dialogue you missed

rustic vale
calm zenith
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Sometimes its even another character's dialogue

rustic vale
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Itā€™s a flat 40 added onto your doom damage

stone rune
acoustic apex
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Hey, does anyone know who i have to talk to to unlock the special aspect for Exagryph?

royal widget
acoustic apex
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Thanks

high island
royal widget
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ope

acoustic apex
balmy ginkgo
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where can i post a pic for help?

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i have no clue why im so ZDPS with this

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and i want to show my progression

gray apex
balmy ginkgo
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ouch, why does the server not allow any pictures in any channel thats kinda odd

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anyway this is the current zeus shield thing that i have on

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literally heroic Poseidon and i still feel incredibly weak

gray apex
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Poseidon is one of the worst ones for Zeus shield, try Thunder Flourish or Merciful End.

balmy ginkgo
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but i thought because it perma knocks them back into the wall its supposed to be good damage?

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also it pushes them back so it keeps hitting them instead of passing through

high island
high island
balmy ginkgo
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im really starting to hate zeus shield or im just using it terribly wrong

dire tendon
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try out zeus special on it

latent moon
odd drift
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Is there a place here for Hades memes

void vigil
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#fan-works, but in moderation shadesmile with a link to source especially if its art

novel wharf
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I love how my name is literally Malphon Wielder xD

calm zenith
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Gilgabest malphon

novel wharf
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I think my build for Malphon Aspect of Talos is really good, though it does require a good bit of luck

calm zenith
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Talos runs are fun

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My favorites are love beams

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Set up a bunch, dash around so you can cover lots of ground, pull enemies into intersections of beams

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Then they melt

novel wharf
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I spent like three days getting the aspect maxed and then thinking of the build-

novel wharf
calm zenith
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Tbf the last time I did this I got a like level 5 glacial glare

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So like 14 second beams

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And I had stygian soul

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Multiple cast stones

novel wharf
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eek-

calm zenith
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So I could set up a lot and just move so the enemies caught up

novel wharf
calm zenith
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Too bad that duo isnt very good if it isnt Talos

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Maybe Achilles

novel wharf
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Magnetic thing of Talos is awesome along with the thing that does extra damage if theres two effects on the enemy- aphrodite special or dionysus, then demeter attack for stacking

latent moon
calm zenith
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True but I'm talking about aphro meme beams

latent moon
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Achilles is still probably better

sleek robin
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The game is trolling me i swear they gave me the 3 best duo boons for chiron bow curse of nausea low tolerance and splitting headache but i didnā€™t get any hangeover flourish only the dash

rustic vale
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splitting headache as one of the best duos for chiron

sleek robin
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Nah but effective

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What would be the 3rd

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I also got the hammer that give 4 arrows and 3 base dmg per arrow

rustic vale
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smouldering air would be more helpful tbh

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on like zeus aid

sleek robin
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What combination of god ?

rustic vale
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Aphro strike

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Because you take it anyways for dio chiron

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and splitting headache is like a minimal boost

stone rune
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splitting headache is like useless

rustic vale
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also

sleek robin
stone rune
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smair zoos call

rustic vale
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This is purely about dionysus chiron rn

sleek robin
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I donā€™t take zeus with this build

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Should i

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?

rustic vale
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well

stone rune
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you only need dio

rustic vale
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After forcing in dionysus and forcing in aphrodite

stone rune
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you typically take aph

rustic vale
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You wouldnā€™t force anyone else in

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You just take what you find

stone rune
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and then your build is done

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just pom the flourish

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tdash is real for sweet nectar

rustic vale
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Tbh sweet nectar

sleek robin
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Well i usually do dio flourish aphro attack

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Then i see what i get

rustic vale
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dio flourish aphro attack and then see what you get

sleek robin
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Trying to get ares and artemis if i dobā€™t have the choice

rustic vale
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Arte isnā€™t really a useful throw in there

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But ares is

latent moon
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Poseidon for tidal dash lol

sleek robin
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Is it good with this build ?

rustic vale
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Yeah

latent moon
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Yeah because you have no aoe and Styx is gonna suck

stone rune
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styx always is garbo with chiron

rustic vale
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Tdash good because aoe damage for styx and sweet nectar for the flourish

stone rune
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well everything is garbo with chiron

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but styx is also garbo with chiron

sleek robin
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The hard thing for me is the guy with a shield that fight with the minautor

latent moon
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You can get 1 or 2 volleys in when he turns around

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Or get piercing volley

sleek robin
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Idk who got it

rustic vale
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I would take ares, zeus, athena and poseidon over artemis on a dionysus chiron build tbh

sleek robin
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Not aphro ?

rustic vale
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Well

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Yes

sleek robin
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Instead of what

rustic vale
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But I was talking like for the 2 other gods

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In the pool

sleek robin
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Oh

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Ares iā€™m sure about it

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Cuz if i get curse of nausea itā€™s always good

rustic vale
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Ares, zeus, athena, poseidon > artemis for crit dio imo

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Not crit dio

sleek robin
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So zeus for call and ares for what

rustic vale
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Iā€™m freudian slipping

latent moon
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Opens up curse of nausea

rustic vale
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Ares for curse of vengeance -> curse of nausea
Zeus for call -> smouldering air
Poseidon for tdash -> sweet nectar
Athena for ddash defensively

latent moon
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Assuming you have Dio flourish ofc

sleek robin
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Yea but not in dup boonw

latent moon
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Curse of vengeance

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Just to open the duo lol

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Otherwise ares is trash

rustic vale
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curse of vengeance is the doom when you get hit

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it opens up curse of nausea

sleek robin
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Oh i see

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Thatā€™s what i take when itā€™s there

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Wits strong

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H*

rustic vale
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For?

sleek robin
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If i get it

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It hit strong

rustic vale
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oh

sleek robin
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But better not be hit

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And useful for the duo

rustic vale
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You donā€™t take curse of vengeance for itā€™s effect, itā€™s pretty much purely there to open up curse of nausea

sleek robin
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Ima take aphroā€™s flourish since i cannot have duo anymore ima fight hades

rustic vale
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then you sell it if possible afterwards because itā€™ll get in the way of putting levels on your flourish

sleek robin
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Oh

rustic vale
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Itā€™s literally just there for the ride until you get Curse of Nausea and then it only exists to get in the way of you putting poms on your hangover

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hence the selling it if possible

sleek robin
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Idk why but hermes act diffrent than other boons

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It spawn anytime

rustic vale
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They do

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Hermes boons operate differently

sleek robin
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When i get him i try to get swift flourish

rustic vale
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You can only find 2 before styx and have a 50:50 to find him in styx shop

sleek robin
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I got 30% speed it was really nice

rustic vale
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+30% speed on chiron allows you to keep concentrated stacks going between volleys

sleek robin
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I still need to learn a lot about this game

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Wtf

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Hades gave me free blood and way out

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I didnā€™t had the right things to fight him i guess iā€™m lucky

rustic vale
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Thatā€™d be your 10th escape

sleek robin
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I think

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Iā€™m 8 heat

rustic vale
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That is what happens on the 10th escape

sleek robin
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I see

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What build you think is easy to play but still very strong because i need to use a new weapon iā€™m getting tired of the bow even tho i like it and is strong

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I already got maxed zeus shield but too hard to play for the moment

rustic vale
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Hmm

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Which weapons do you like using aside from the bow

sleek robin
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I like the twin fists but i donā€™t have megaglamesh aspect

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I could use demeter

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But i dunno if i can get it before getting demeter max

rustic vale
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Demeter doesnā€™t need to be maxed to

sleek robin
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I made a mistake at the start cuz i upgraded zargeus at lvl 4 on fists

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Demeter is lvl 1

rustic vale
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Gilgamesh needs you to have guan-yu revealed, 5 titans blood invested total into the fists and you need a specific dialogue line from asterius in his miniboss room while using the fists then a second specific dialogue line using any weapon

sleek robin
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Zargeus doesnā€™t count no ?

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And how to get guan-yu spear ?

rustic vale
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Zagreus only doesnā€™t count for getting guan-yu revealed

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Or

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Actually lemme double check itā€™s been a while

sleek robin
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Ok

rustic vale
sleek robin
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Well i have 5 aspects

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And beated hades lots of time

rustic vale
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Ok Iā€™m not crazy

rustic vale
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Btw

sleek robin
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Well i hope it donā€™t get too long

rustic vale
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A ton of things in Hades are rng dialogue

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Iirc the reason is because the npcs arenā€™t there merely to give you quests or at your beck and call

sleek robin
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For the story

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Everytime i beat hades they say their dialogue related to what mother said no ?

rustic vale
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Well some messages have priority over others I think but there is a lot of rng dialogue

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Like most main story messages likely

sleek robin
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Some are useless line medusaā€™s cheering

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K*

rustic vale
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Yeah thatā€™s an example of rng dialogue

high island
rustic vale
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Dusa might have messages that would actually progress other things but also has a ton that donā€™t and it would pull from that if nothing else is prioritised

sleek robin
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In what to spend the keys afyer getting all the mirror ?

rustic vale
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Keys can be used with trade broker

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And housing contractor

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And resource director

sleek robin
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I see ty

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Why ppl say to give bouldy nectar ?

stone rune
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you get minor boostg

sleek robin
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I see, and why canā€™t i so ?

latent moon
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Didn't get far enough on bonds

stone rune
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need to progress in sisyphus's story

sleek robin
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I see

muted glen
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@sleek robin I love your username best one ive ever seen

balmy ginkgo
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how good is pierced butterfly?

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it gives i assume like 15-20% in a very good players' hands

rustic vale
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Thatā€™s super lowballing it

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But also it isnā€™t good no

muted glen
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Only really done in meme builds by haelian

rustic vale
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because taking it early (tartarus or asphodel) is opportunity cost and taking it later (elysium or styx), you donā€™t get enough stacks to make it worth it

stone rune
sleek robin
latent moon
sleek robin
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Do curse of nausea only unlocks with areā€™s vengeance ?

latent moon
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No

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Ares atk and special

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Those also work

sleek robin
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No cast ?

latent moon
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Check the codex

latent moon
sleek robin
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Where

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Well ty for the info

latent moon
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Could also always check the wiki

stone rune
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on keyboard it's c

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on gamepad it's probably the other pause button

rustic vale
stone rune
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aphrodite's boost does more than just open the duo because heartbreak strike is actually good

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ares the doom is nearly useless

rustic vale
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Yup

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And weak sticks around for pstatus

stone rune
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also the boost from low tolerance is better

sleek robin
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Roguelike games are really complex

rustic vale
stone rune
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it would be 50% on ares right

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0.35 is essentially 0.33

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so it's hitting one extra time per second

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3/2 is 1.5

rustic vale
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Over full duration

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thatā€™s the difference

royal widget
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i use dire misfortune on Chiron

stone rune
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that makes it tick faster

rustic vale
stone rune
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the speed doesn't change number of ticks

rustic vale
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The speed would

sleek robin
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When i get dio and aphro should i use a keepsake to try to get ares or zeus or just take acorn keepsake and prey to get a duo or one of the two other gods

rustic vale
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because hangover lasts 4 seconds

stone rune
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oh

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well

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it's chiron

rustic vale
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Unless the last tick is after the 4 seconds are up

stone rune
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you keep applying it anyways

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but still

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hangover normally ticks twice a second

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duo hangover ticks about thrice a second

rustic vale
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Now it ticks slightly under thrice a second

stone rune
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ergo it's roughly 3/2 or 50% increase

rustic vale
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is more like

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A 42% increase in speed of ticks

balmy ginkgo
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wait so for zeus aspect what are the best boons?

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zeus and ares?

stone rune
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do zeus^2

sleek robin
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On shield ?

stone rune
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ares sucks unless you do ME

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in which case yeah

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it's good

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granted ares always sucks unless you do ME

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or hb

sleek robin
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ME?

stone rune
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merciful end

rustic vale
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Merciful End

sleek robin
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Oh i see

royal widget
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jeez i need to work on a good HB run

sleek robin
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It make sense

stone rune
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makes doom actually usable

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very fast

sleek robin
rustic vale
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Ares has like Merciful End, Hunting Blades, and then it helps with Curse of Nausea if you find him naturally while playing hangover, and aside from that builds donā€™t really want him

stone rune
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the blade dash is real

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top 9 dashes

sleek robin
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Is there a way to reset a run without getting the same boons back ?

stone rune
sleek robin
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Oof

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I hate games when bad starting cuz it drains 15-25 mins

latent moon
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Could drain 2 minutes if you just died as soon as you get a bad start lol

sleek robin
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Ennemis arenā€™t strong takes a lil more

latent moon
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Could switch to a different aspect that would benefit from that start tho

latent moon
sleek robin
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True

hardy spear
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just always have hs on to die on traps šŸ‘

sleek robin
sleek robin
latent moon
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Just don't hit traps then lol

hardy spear
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(im joking)

latent moon
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But yeah never take hs

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Take SD lmao

hardy spear
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hs is awful

sleek robin
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Itā€™s not that i do it on purpose lol

hardy spear
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youre using a keepsake at the start right?

sleek robin
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Uea

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But sometimes i donā€™t get what i want

hardy spear
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have ypu unlocked rerolls in the mirror yet

sleek robin
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Too expensive but yea

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I focus on dark foresight

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The rest is maxed

hardy spear
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make sure youre using fated persuasion and not authority

sleek robin
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I have The green one

hardy spear
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good

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but other than that idk i dont feel like i had to reset to avoid a garbage start almost ever

sleek robin
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I have cuz i get my hangeover flourish at the end everytime when itā€™s like that

rustic vale
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As long as you donā€™t play with approval process you shouldnā€™t have a hard time starting with the core you want

sleek robin
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Wich make hatdef the whole thing

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So i lose death defiance

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Approval process ?

rustic vale
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if youā€™re going for dionysus flourish chiron and donā€™t start flourish just throw the run

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you want the flourish asap to maximise the poms you put on it

sleek robin
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Thatā€™s exactly it

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Over what should i prioritize poms

rustic vale
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Hearts/ obols

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boons from gods that donā€™t matter

sleek robin
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Obols ?

rustic vale
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Obols

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The coins

sleek robin
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Oh ok

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Ty

rustic vale
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but also just make your own judgement call

high island
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0.5 / 0.35 = 0.43

balmy ginkgo
sleek robin
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Do zeus vengeance let me have itā€™s duo ?

balmy ginkgo
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or what the archetype is

sleek robin
rustic vale
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ā€œjudgment call. noun. : a subjective decision, ruling, or opinion.ā€

rustic vale
sleek robin
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Tought it was a call in the game šŸ’€

rustic vale
sleek robin
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But his call should i sell or keep after ?

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Since i should sell areā€™s vengeace

rustic vale
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Zeus call?

sleek robin
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Yea

rustic vale
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Smouldering air is useless without a call

sleek robin
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Oh ok i see

rustic vale
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And zeus call is like the best dps call in the game

sleek robin
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I donā€™t rly know it

rustic vale
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smouldering air charges your call up 5% a second but makes it max out at 25%

hardy spear
rustic vale
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Dionysus is up there with zeus

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But this is also a hangover build

hardy spear
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zeus would probably be worse without secondary boons

rustic vale
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And having 2 sources of hangover is a big nono

hardy spear
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yeah

rustic vale
hardy spear
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yeah but theyre both quite pommable

rustic vale
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Dio scales a ton better with poms

sleek robin
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So the secondary boons would be jolted effect

rustic vale
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Static discharge, double strike, and billowing strength would be good secondary zeus pick ups

rustic vale
hardy spear
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quirky

rustic vale
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Actually this image does a better job

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Zeus first few poms are more impactful

hardy spear
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huh just realised ive never seen a heroic call

rustic vale
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Dionysus eats up every pom it finds

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Youā€™d only see it from rare crop or eury rarity boost

hardy spear
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yeah

rustic vale
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Which are likeā€¦ how often do you take either?

hardy spear
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rare crop hitting the bronze skin

stone rune
hardy spear
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no

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bad

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put that down

sleek robin
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I have aphro and dio and i passed the first part should i take a keepsake to get Ares or zeus or just take acorn ?

rustic vale
stone rune
sleek robin
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I already have

stone rune
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to have a chance at low tolerance immediately

rustic vale
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Force her in anyways

sleek robin
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Ooh

hardy spear
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dont take acorn into asphodel

sleek robin
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This game is so much thinking

hardy spear
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its a learning curve

sleek robin
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Ah didnā€™t get it sadly

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Is it better hermes or pom

stone rune
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pom probably

sleek robin
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Since i didnā€™t get the duo what keepsake should i take next

royal widget
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acorn if in Elysium

sleek robin
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Elysium is with minautor ?

royal widget
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yes

sleek robin
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Ah

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Well next time ill know ty

balmy ginkgo
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okay no matter how much i play with spear achilies is just.. not fluid

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unless im doing it wrong (?)

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the fact that it doesnt refresh the buff on cast and also something about it just doesnt feel fluid

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what other good spear archetypes are there?

royal widget
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gy

latent moon
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once you get your cast build going, spam special twice -> cast -> use up remaining charges on dash strikes -> repeat

balmy ginkgo
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you mean cast, teleport, cast, teleport, double dash?

raw herald
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You need to special twice to get the buff

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One to throw, one to rush back to it

balmy ginkgo
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i count that as one cast in my head

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and what gods do you usually want this with?

raw herald
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Tidal dash, Artemis or zeus attack, and flurry jab

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Most casts work pretty well, i like aresā€™, Athenaā€™s and zeusā€™ best

limber ether
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bruh meme beams do not feel very good when you get no boons

royal widget
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besides eris what do you want zeus atk on?

limber ether
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solid on spear and fists

royal widget
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hm i did not expect spear

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i usually use arty

high island
latent moon
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But by your definition, it'd be "cast" -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat

cursive ingot
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Anyone else get overconfident for the last boss and die?

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ā€œOh I have 3 DDs, blitzed through the game and Iā€™ve beaten redacted so many timesā€ ā€œoh I just used up my last DD weird oh Iā€™m dead oopsā€

limber ether
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bruh fml I'm so bad at achilles

royal widget
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stubborn roots is a scam

limber ether
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it apparently works through LC4 though

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still probably not worth

latent moon
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Never is worth to aim for or utilize fully

latent moon
stone rune
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does achilles rotation change with +dashes

limber ether
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especially compared with hestia

stone rune
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are you

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starting tidal

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and then taking arty or zoos

limber ether
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I was going for beams

stone rune
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and then doing hunting blades

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oh

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well meme beam is a meme

limber ether
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I heard that was a better 40 heat

latent moon
latent moon
stone rune
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namely: hunting blades

limber ether
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hestia feels so consistent

latent moon
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Not a stellar build but it works

limber ether
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like you don't need any boons

stone rune
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im utterly melting lernie

limber ether
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just shoot shoot shoot

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what's the next easiest 40 heat, hera?

stone rune
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lolwut

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rama

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zeus

latent moon
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Meme beams for 40 heat Achilles is mediocre unless you get good glacial glare poms and extra casts

limber ether
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hmm I'm quite bad at rama

latent moon
stone rune
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just do hestia

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or eris or something

latent moon
#

Hestia is also easy

limber ether
#

I already did hestia lol

#

it was indeed very easy

latent moon
#

Beo and Zeus are good

#

Any shield tbf

limber ether
#

I got hestia first try and I've failed achilles twice now

stone rune
limber ether
#

ohh yeah I'll go for zeus

stone rune
#

oh my god dyno

latent moon
#

Bad idea but funny

stone rune
#

OH MY GOD

#

DYNO

#

LET ME POST THE GOD FORLORN IMAGE

#

alright

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let's take our time here

#

aaaand

latent moon
#

Lmfao muted

limber ether
#

how dare jazz post hades images in chat

#

smh

latent moon
#

Too many links too quickly lol

limber ether
#

how viable is hestia at high heat?

#

like 50+

latent moon
#

Great as long as you don't turn on dc

limber ether
#

ah yes

#

that does sound like it would be harder

#

if you're taking RI do you just run poseidon -> shackle?

#

for consistency

#

or do people still try to get aphro

latent moon
#

No clue

#

Might start aphro tbh

#

jazz says that it starts aphro

limber ether
#

LOL

#

still muted?

latent moon
#

if you get shafted by cloner savior numbskulls, just reset lol

latent moon
#

she should be unmuted soon enough

limber ether
#

does that mean I can say things like

#

Hestia is such a terrible aspect

#

it's way too slow

latent moon
#

well like

#

she will come back

limber ether
#

and jazz can't protest

latent moon
#

i think the mute is up in like a minute

#

so like

#

go ahead lmao

limber ether
#

lmao

stone rune
latent moon
#

lmfao

stone rune
#

YOU ARE TO BE DRAWN AND QUARTERED DEVIL

#

but yeah hestia starts aphro at high heat

#

should b in the guide

#

under the high heat section

limber ether
#

oh right yes that guide

#

it never occurred to me that meg keepsake could be viable

#

when on lc4

latent moon
#

what does meg keepsake have anything to do with lc4 lol

#

meg keepsake is just used universally

#

or at least preferred

limber ether
#

skull earring

stone rune
#

oh

#

not summon

latent moon
#

oh keepsake

stone rune
#

lmfao

latent moon
#

i might be stupid

stone rune
#

everyone just always means summon when they say keepsake

latent moon
#

it's super niche

limber ether
#

I thought the keepsakes were the upper things

latent moon
#

you only take it if you're running low on time or you need the damage boost (also kinda means you need more time lol)

latent moon
#

i'm very tired

stone rune
#

BREAKING: hunting blades are good

limber ether
#

when I was doing low heat achilles for bounties I just forced hunting blades for the last 6 heat

cursive ingot
#

You might do this stuff already but I found it helpful

limber ether
#

yeah I was doing that

stone rune
#

are you kidding me

#

what is this

#

literally what the hell

latent moon
#

lol

#

love it when that happens

stone rune
#

i finally get half decent c2 chaos rng

#

and i get this

wintry moat
#

best Guan Yu special (assuming charged skewer), prob artemis no?

limber ether
#

probably aphro for the consistent %?

balmy ginkgo
#

uh, in tunnels

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(act 4)

#

do i get to refresh my defiance if i suicide?

#

in between the rooms i mean, not per-tunnel

#

my question is i suppose is do i get 1 life per room or per tunnel?

gray apex
rustic vale
wintry moat
#

I played Artemis, it was fun

#

Didn't get heart rend šŸ˜¦

balmy ginkgo
#

okay so whats the deal with flurry jab?

#

is it really a DPS increase or just a quality of life thing?

#

it doesnt look like its attacking faster or anything

balmy ginkgo
#

also i dont understand it literally seems like that by the time i cast the spear, teleport to it, i will probably do more damage than the added buff to the next 4 attacks i do, its so slow and clunky to teleport

#

am i missing some hidden strat to make it more smooth?

rustic vale
rustic vale
#

literally just hit the button twice and itā€™d be faster to receive the buff

#

also make sure you are dash striking to get the dps boost from flurry jab

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because flurry jab makes you standing strike immediately after you dash strike

balmy ginkgo
#

huh okay

white path
#

"I like being on my own but it's been nice talking to you like this" - Artemis
without response?? It's practically talking to yourself. No wonder you like it

latent moon
# balmy ginkgo am i missing some hidden strat to make it more smooth?

That's why I said spam special twice lol
You hit it as fast as possible to get the boost as fast as possible. Don't use it to get right in front of enemies, just use it in the direction. Spear has a pretty long range and you're dash striking towards them, so you'll most likely be able to hit them

high island
#

The secret strategy is practice. tizomg

latent moon
#

also that yeah that's the more important part lol

#

watching top players play achilles also helps

royal widget
#

can you get a legendary from trial of the gods?

raw herald
#

Yes

royal widget
#

thanks i just got fully loaded

wintry moat
#

is there a list of damage % that is additive vs multiplicative

stone rune
#

except crits multiply by 3 or 4.5

wintry moat
#

I swear some stuff feels multiplicative

stone rune
#

very few things in this game are mult

#

movespeed is mult

#

damage reduction is mult

#

trap damage

#

maybe some other stuff

#

but mostly itā€™s additive

raw herald
#

Charged skewer and hazard bomb

stone rune
#

well thatā€™s additive

#

it just adds to your base damage

wintry moat
#

okay

#

charged skewer makes sense

#

I was wondering why Guan Yu CS hit so hard

royal widget
#

wtf

#

dad just called me a painted skeleton

rustic vale
latent moon
rustic vale
#

Crit damage multiplies

latent moon
#

maybe projectile speed too? not sure about that

rustic vale
#

enemy slow is multi

#

healing

#

Healing is multi

royal widget
#

where's the link to the doc explaining damage?

high island
# 
(sum of base dmg) * (1 + sum of bonus dmg)

critical hit damage =
(normal hit damage) * (3 + sum of bonus crit dmg)```
royal widget
#

no it's like a whole google doc

high island
#

Yeah, with a damage equation that returns 0 for non-crits. tizomg

pastel monolith
#

whos ur least favorite character in hades?

#

personally i hate most of them lol.. not rly but.. kinda

#

i like meg and dusa thats about it

#

kinda like theseus lol

#

unpopular opinion

high island
#

Poseidon.

calm zenith
#

Just practice and get comfortable with moving with the special

#

I sometimes take Greater Reflex on Achilles if it isnt a dash strike build.

high island
#

Greater Reflex if it isn't a Dash-Strike build?

#

Nani?

rustic vale
#

uh

rustic vale
#

Greater reflex no matter the build

acoustic apex
latent moon
#

but rd :(

stone rune
rustic vale
latent moon
#

cringe

gray apex
#

I dont know what greater reflex is

#

The only things I know are hyper sprint and rush delivery

rustic vale
#

Greater reflex != greatest reflex

gray apex
#

See Iā€™m legally blind

#

And should probably go to bed bouldy

rustic vale
#

Go to bed

#

Bite the bed bugs

#

Itā€™s free protein

latent moon
#

oh wait

#

beo players can't read confirmed

calm zenith
#

Is it greatest reflex?

#

Green dash option

#

I dont say it isnt risky but I kinda like the challenge and fairly certain it gives global dmg

latent moon
#

green dash is ruthless

rustic vale
#

Greatest reflex is the hermes boon for more dashes

#

Ruthless reflex is the bad one

calm zenith
#

Oh then I meant ruthless.

#

Ruthless isnt bad it just usually isnt preferred or stronger than dash striking more.

#

I've used it on Rama even

#

Where 1 dash strike is plenty

latent moon
#

doesn't that kinda make it bad considering the other option is much better

#

and you have to choose between the two

calm zenith
#

Sure it usually is

#

You can get more dashes

#

Rendering +1 dashes by default kinda mid

#

While greatly improving ruthless

latent moon
#

idk how i feel about "this mirror option is better if you get this 1 specific boon"

calm zenith
#

Fair

#

I just sometimes prefer it

#

I'm not saying its better

#

I'm saying its not bad because it has a fairly large effect

#

If it were bad it would have no uses

latent moon
#

i guess for some stuff the effect is good but then the issue is getting the effect to proc lol

rustic vale
#

It practically has no uses

calm zenith
#

But it has its niche. That's fine

latent moon
rustic vale
#

Dodge builds and gilgamesh and that is it

#

Which are both

#

Not exactly good

calm zenith
#

I use it on Rama and Beo and Achilles

#

All good

latent moon
#

1 dash rama kinda not great

calm zenith
#

Works for me

rustic vale
#

Getting stuck with 1 dash is painful everywhere tbh

latent moon
#

beo can work, achilles is questionable but idk enough about achilles

calm zenith
#

Achilles special can move you plenty

rustic vale
#

Achilles is questionable

calm zenith
#

If you time it right iframes are more a luxury

#

Yeah sure

rustic vale
#

You already have +150%

latent moon
#

i mean yeah but it takes more time to cover distance compared to a normal dash

calm zenith
#

I dont disagree that I already doubt taking it

rustic vale
#

That extra +50% isnā€™t doing as much

calm zenith
#

I just like to punish myself for more dmg

rustic vale
#

Unless youā€™re building fds achilles

latent moon
#

will say that 1 dash rama sounds miserable to me because of fo2, if you're not running that then it might be fine

rustic vale
#

which is questionable

calm zenith
#

I havent run heat in forever lmao

#

I should do some heat runs cause normal ones are boring

latent moon
#

well fo2 is just standard heat for me to use because of speedrunning lol

calm zenith
#

Cant get the rng I want

latent moon
#

single dash rama fails at extremely high heats, not sure if it's because of em4 or just like every room sucking because of single dash lol

calm zenith
#

I wanted to force clockets and just didnt have a good seed

#

Fair

#

Then again depending, it can be amended.

latent moon
#

wdym by "amended" just get more dashes from hermes through ap2?

calm zenith
#

Yes. Same as any other good run having some requirements

latent moon
#

well at that point at extreme heats you can't be relying on that much rng

calm zenith
#

Fair

latent moon
#

esp considering rama needs 2 good hammers to actually finish on time

calm zenith
#

That's why I said depending

latent moon
#

with hypermodded it's prob def possible but no one wants to grind that much rng for normal runs

calm zenith
#

Yeah RR is definitely risky for time

#

Runs for me take like an extra minute or two

stone rune
latent moon
#

even if you do get 2 good hammers you're still very likely to die lmao

stone rune
#

have you ever once played mirrorless

#

or ri3

calm zenith
#

Yes we're exclusively talking about high heat.

stone rune
#

at high heat why would you take ruthless

#

that sounds extraordinarily silly on anything other than maybeeee on shield

latent moon
#

lmao ruthless on like low heats are fine, it's still just like a worse option but like it's doable

calm zenith
#

2 blocked messages

rustic vale
#

?

latent moon
#

i just wanted to bring up that single dash at extremely high heat rama just does not work

calm zenith
#

When did I say it did

#

Show me

stone rune
#

doesn't work with rama

#

doesn't work with hestia

#

can't imagine it working with beo

latent moon
calm zenith
#

You also lose mirror options at extremely high heat lmao you just want to brag dude

stone rune
#

what

rustic vale
#

Hades discord suffering from the serious condition of ā€œtoo much unsolicited informationā€

#

Like usual

stone rune
#

literally where did you get this from

latent moon
stone rune
#

doesnt sound fun with slow ass charge

#

but if people do it people do it ig

#

im not the beo player

latent moon
#

i'm pretty sure modded hestia heat wr is single dash? because it doesn't take ri4 and dc2 at 60

stone rune
#

oh well yeah

#

it's dc0 ri3 i believe

latent moon
stone rune
#

but that's just not fun

#

is sudden rush the ideal 2nd zoos hammer

latent moon
#

probably

#

nothing else is like good at that point

#

other than like ferocious guard

stone rune
#

charged flight :croven:

latent moon
#

but also 2nd hammer at that high heat can be risky

#

pulv blow or cshot can ruin it

stone rune
#

just codex mod it in

raw herald
#

Iā€™m 99% sure all of the modded 60 clears either have hs or +dashes

#

Hesty*

latent moon
#

lmao really

#

makes sense i guess

stone rune
#

hyper sprint?

rustic vale
#

Heightened security

stone rune
#

makes sense

stone rune
calm zenith
rustic vale
stone rune
#

hyper sprint is a mobility thing

stone rune
stone rune
latent moon
calm zenith
#

Stuff I never brought up

stone rune
#

plume it

calm zenith
#

Optional conditions.

stone rune
#

weren't you talking about high heat

latent moon
#

well taht was after i brought up my point

#

and we got into a bit of high heat talk because of that

#

and tbf it was a civil discussion until jazz talked lmfao

stone rune
#

sorry

calm zenith
#

No I would specify if I were talking about high heat. I dont try for high heat and havent done progression in a while. I try for niche builds and forcing stuff.

raw herald
#

Nothing stopping you from using the perks you want

calm zenith
#

Like the least questionable one imo is Achilles cast builds.

#

Do you really need the extra dash with Achilles and casts

#

I can see it go either way. That's fine.

latent moon
#

i think time wise you'd rather take more dashes

calm zenith
#

Sure

latent moon
#

also what's the range for ruthless procing

stone rune
#

you still need to deal damage before your casts are up and running

calm zenith
#

It's pretty good

latent moon
#

ik it's like a narrow miss or something but how close to them do you have to be

raw herald
calm zenith
#

You can be far from an attack and get it

#

Yeah

latent moon
#

oh weird

raw herald
#

Extra dashes with flurry jab is honestly more damage than ruthless reflex will give

calm zenith
#

Triggers off of traps really easily

#

Fair but I'm speaking casts only

#

Like a crush shot build

#

Maybe you attack in tart

raw herald
#

Even then id probably still prefer dashes for positioning

calm zenith
#

Once it gets going you get better dmg from spamming cast

raw herald
#

Since crush shot has such low range

calm zenith
#

Special does that

latent moon
#

well

calm zenith
#

Maybe I'm just more comfortable with it idk

latent moon
#

with more dashes you can still get better positioning

calm zenith
#

Feels fine to me

raw herald
#

From doing the build, i prefer more than just special

calm zenith
#

Fair

#

I just find the special to provide really good movement basically everywhere but Hades himself with auto aim

#

Otherwise the auto aim helps a lot. Maybe that's it.

#

It's a +/-

latent moon
#

also making greatest reflex from hermes a must pick over like hyper sprint so you can't get rd doesnt make speedrunner brain feel good

calm zenith
#

Fair

#

You can get all 3 tbf but yeah that's rarer than we'd like

#

I did that on my last Achilles CoD run

#

Only common/rare hyperrush though

latent moon
#

getting all 3 would mean it's only used in styx/dad and i'd much rather have rd before then

calm zenith
#

Fair

latent moon
#

does make for a fun dad fight, but point still stands lol

calm zenith
#

Then again if you get +3 dashes early, ruthless does provide a pseudo rd effect

#

Not as good but its default

#

Greatly improved by any rarity of that boon

latent moon
#

budget common rd lol

calm zenith
#

You go from rarely having it up to basically always having it up

#

Basically lol

#

Means you dont need to target rd

#

1 boon instead of 2

latent moon
#

will say tho

#

purple rd makes brain happy

calm zenith
#

Yeah

latent moon
#

i wish i got it more often

calm zenith
#

I got it on a funny kite shield run once

#

Where you just kite Zeus shield around and dont actually dash strike or bull rush

#

And +3 dashes

#

Those runs are what make me happy

#

Because that shouldnt be good

#

But it weirdly is

gray apex
calm zenith
#

It's all Zeus

gray apex
#

Beo players never see it

latent moon
#

i dont remember the last time i got epic rd on a beo run

#

wait maybe i do

#

i think it was a garbage run tho

#

but also

#

i'd like to see it more

calm zenith
#

Yeah it's been too long for me. I've only done like 2 bro runs

#

Beo

#

I should do one soon but the casts feel so limited

latent moon
#

wdym

calm zenith
#

Could try true shot mirage shot

#

Like usually you aim for mirage or just do trippy and pom it

#

And usually for mirage you just do flood flare

latent moon
#

passion flare + snow burst on pstatus is used on high heat

calm zenith
#

Fair

latent moon
#

other than that tho there's not much else lol

calm zenith
#

I havent done many passion flare runs

#

Yeah

latent moon
#

phalanx flare is big damage

calm zenith
#

And I've done all the bad ones

latent moon
#

nothing special about it tho

calm zenith
#

I could try deadly reversal phalanx flare

rustic vale
calm zenith
#

Nah.

#

You cant do much with that though

rustic vale
calm zenith
#

Zeus can be surprisingly fun

#

Yeah deadly reversal is annoying like that

#

For thunder flare you absolutely need cshot though

#

Otherwise it's as bad as you know

#

Zeus stacking is just strong

#

And it's a big bolt

#

Its barely a cast build

#

I might just do that again lol

#

Aim for lightning rod

#

Then again I could try to sea storm it instead

#

Weaker bolts though

radiant vale
#

we should all host a theseus cancelling group

#

it's worth making that jerk mad trust me bro

naive belfry
#

(Sorry this is kinda off topic, but still relevant!)
Joanne Tran came to my school today as part of a game development (specifically for art) ted talk - it was so awesome

#

We got some insight visual development for Hades and what it's like to work as an artist in the industry :] She was really cool

high island
#

Nice! That's pretty awesome. zagluv

naive belfry
#

Ya!! I was so happy she took the time to come

solar vault
#

woahh

#

my current lockscreen is art by her

naive belfry
#

she showed that piece first for a personal-art section! šŸ„ŗ

#

it's truly gorgeous

inner yacht
#

whats the best aspect for malphon

solar vault
#

demeter

manic vine
#

Damn I'm sitting here on two god doors, I'm doing a hera run with aphro on the cast; Should I try and slap Ares on special for Curse of Longing or Poseidon anywhere for Sweet Nectar?

calm zenith
#

Poseidon I guess

#

Curse of Longing isnt very good

high island
manic vine
#

I got tidal dash as soon as I saw it lol

high island
#

The only worthwhile boons from Lord Ares in that build are Battle Rage and Urge to Kill. And neither is particularly amazing.

manic vine
#

Got another one for poseidon too; Typhoon's fury

high island
#

Breaking Wave would be better, but Typhoon's Fury is alright.

manic vine
#

Didn't see breaking wave, but it's fun playing those pinball games with these enemies

high island
#

Basically for that build, you only wanna take up boons that are immediately powerful. And if they're not immediately powerful, then at least something that's not pommable.

#

That goes for most builds tbh.

warm shoal
#

i just did a beowulf run for the first time and when i was fight ing hades i had this weird cone shape above my character does anyone know what it is?

balmy ginkgo
#

will there be a H2 beta or is it just a release for early access?

warm shoal
#

it was eurydices acorn

sleek robin
#

I just got merciful end the first run i try to get it lmao

#

I need to get more athena now right

cobalt ibex
#

Alright serious business is on, I beat heat 20 with every weapon, time to unlock the last statue of Skelly. What is the most reliable weapon for h32 for a subpar player such as me? For safety I'd choose beowulf but with tight deadline I'm not sure, I tend to be very slow on shield runs.

sleek robin
#

Should i sell my doom attack and try to get athenaā€™s ?

#

Cuz now i have special and dash with her

cobalt ibex
sleek robin
#

So what should i look for

cobalt ibex
#

Just dash on the mobs for multiple doom effects. If you have privileged status on Nyx mirror ad Athena's boon that inflicts the exposed status

sleek robin
cobalt ibex
sleek robin
#

I see

limber ether
sleek robin
#

I saw that i should take the boon that slows the doom but makes it 60 stronger

cobalt ibex
limber ether
rustic vale
limber ether
#

It triggers doom that's already been applied

sleek robin
#

Oooh

#

I understand now

#

Thanks guys

limber ether
#

So you need a source of doom (usually attack) and a source of deflect (usually dash)

#

Then just spam dash strikes

rustic vale
#

you still need divine flourish to open the duo in the first place

limber ether
#

Yeah they already have ME

rustic vale
#

Just clarifying because you had only said ā€œsource of deflectā€

cobalt ibex
sleek robin
#

I see i see

limber ether
#

hera is also quite easy

sleek robin
#

This build is really hard to get but now itā€™s complete in first try lmfao

cobalt ibex
#

@limber ether I'm probably less skilled than you, I never managed to make a sub 15 min run with any heat šŸ¢

limber ether
#

I am not very good either haha

#

no sub 14 min runs

rustic vale
#

Iā€™m decent but

#

Keep failing 40 heat

limber ether
#

just do hestia and it's pretty easy haha

rustic vale
#

I have a sub10 though

#

A single 1

limber ether
#

for medium heat hestia is actually broken

#

just skeet shooting everything

rustic vale
#

Iā€™m trying to make my 250th escape a 40 heat run

#

so Iā€™m not running anything but 40 heat

cobalt ibex
#

I'm more comfortable with hestia than with eris which is considered better, but I can't focus well with eris

rustic vale
#

Iā€™m more partial to zeus

limber ether
limber ether
rustic vale
#

No I wonā€™t

#

My last escape was 249

limber ether
#

oh lmao

rustic vale
#

Exactly

limber ether
#

ohhh

#

250th escape not run

rustic vale
#

This was my 249th escape

limber ether
#

I did 40 heat on my 140th escape

rustic vale
#

Tbf

#

I am trying to do it with specifically hangover zeus

limber ether
#

lmfao the athena backup

rustic vale
#

and also havenā€™t touched the game in forever

#

My luck that run was actually insane

limber ether
#

I can't dodge anything on FO2

rustic vale
#

Huh

#

Iā€™ve been playing fo2 forever

limber ether
#

yeah I'm bad

#

can't dodge

rustic vale
#

I donā€™t remember the last time I had it off

cobalt ibex
rustic vale
#

Fo2 + em3 asterius = rip melee aspects

#

oh you wanted to deal damage? Sorry too busy beyblading

sleek robin
#

I play demeter aspect and have zeus aid heartbreak flourish tidal dash curse of agony and i just got the choice of sweet nectar or curse of longing, wich should i take ?

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I donā€™t have the upgrade with diamonds which gives poms everytime i pick one specific thing

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Ima take curse maybe itā€™s bad choice but ill know for next time

high island
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Sweet Nectar.

sleek robin
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Oof

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But now idc cuz i just got it rn lmfao

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But good to know for next time

sleek robin
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And now i have smoldering air

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Amazing

manic vine
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Should I rob charon?

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I want to for the lols, but should I rob charon?

royal widget
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are you confident you can beat him easily

manic vine
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I've got merciful end, but this is gonna be my first time trying to fight him.

royal widget
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you'll probably be fine

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only 2 dd's lost is my guess

manic vine
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I'm gonna get decked, aren't I.

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Oh this music is good

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DAMN HE HURTS