#h1-discussion

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high island
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   (current_bonus_dmg + 1) /
   current_max_ammo```
That's how much bonus burst damage you get from +1 ammo. So without any bonus damage, a Grasp is equivalent to +33% Cast damage. That's not factoring in the time it takes to load all your ammo or for all of your Casts to go boom etc.
manic kraken
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yeah

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and also most things wont need a 3rd let alone 4th cast

latent moon
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Another way of figuring out what's better is by assuming your casts deal 100 damage and seeing what gives more overall

latent moon
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Except like butterfly balls and big chariots

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Maybe shield bros but idk

gray apex
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You'll probably one shot those anyway

kindred onyx
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WAIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN!?

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Does that mean I can’t get any more rewards with this aspect ?

rustic vale
kindred onyx
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Or like all bow aspects

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

rustic vale
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Is that chiron ee

vital spade
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It means git gud son

kindred onyx
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Amir!

latent moon
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time to learn how to play something else lmao

kindred onyx
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How about the rail then ?

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Oh it’s at 17

vital spade
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Spear ez if u want ez

kindred onyx
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Varatha?

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18

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And I sure ain’t gonna do stygian

rustic vale
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Just do whatever you want to

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go for 32 heat on bow

kindred onyx
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Well

rustic vale
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That’s the jump

vital spade
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You’re a noob until you’ve done 63 heat with every single aspect

rustic vale
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Anything between 20 heat and 32 heat isn’t real

kindred onyx
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Good thing I just ended my 69 win streak

vital spade
kindred onyx
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Killed myself right outside the window on 70 just to get that 69 on the end card PES_Lul

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But yeah
I was hoping I’d get more rewards from the bow

rustic vale
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It ends at 20 on every weapon

kindred onyx
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Oh

vital spade
kindred onyx
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Well then
Let’s jump straight to 32

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How bad could it be?

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BRB run

rustic vale
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Even with all the prophecies completed and all weapons at 20 you still need to trade for titans blood or fish to get enough blood for all aspects btw

vital spade
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I went from 20 > 32 and beat 32 on my first try so it’s really not that big a jump imo

rustic vale
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Matty went from 8->32 so nothing less then that impresses me anymore

vital spade
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1 > 63

rustic vale
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0 > 64

latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
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Gilga

rustic vale
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Some things are just worse then others

latent moon
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Lmfao

rustic vale
latent moon
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Ngl the hardest part of 32 heat is learning lc4 sd

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But it's not even necessary

rustic vale
latent moon
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Cringe

rustic vale
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The perfect 32 pact

latent moon
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Actually I'm gonna do that later today

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Which aspect

gray apex
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Chaos

latent moon
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Oh boy

gray apex
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And use EM4

rustic vale
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Use this pact

latent moon
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I won't use that pact because ri bad

latent moon
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Guess I'll learn it somehow

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What other pacts

gray apex
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HL5

rustic vale
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The rest of those ones on there other then ri

latent moon
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27 hl5

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Td3?

gray apex
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no

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FO2

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Keep TD0

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You're gonna need it

latent moon
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That's 33 isn't it

gray apex
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You're on chaos

latent moon
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Fair

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Thank you

gray apex
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np im sure you'll have fun

latent moon
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Im 1 heat over lmao

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Based 33 pact

rustic vale
latent moon
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No that's actually doable

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I'll use chaos

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At 33 heat

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Gotta beat my chaos pb yaknow

gray apex
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If Chaos doesnt work do Guan yu

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Your call

latent moon
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Oh god lmfao

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I'll stick with chaos

gray apex
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Guan Yu is so good

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Underrated high heat weapon

latent moon
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I recognize guan Yu is good

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I'm just bad at it

gray apex
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I almost got 50 heat with lv1 lol

latent moon
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Lmfao

rustic vale
latent moon
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Maybe

latent moon
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Not yet haven't started

rustic vale
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Smh

latent moon
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Not home rn smh

rustic vale
latent moon
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Dash doesn't have that much range

rustic vale
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Nanas using serrated point with ruthless reflex fr

rustic vale
latent moon
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True

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Need more ichors

serene halo
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hi everyone

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i just wanna ask something

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do the cross-save work for switch to pc

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or if it's only pc to switch

rustic vale
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I think it’s both ways but I don’t know

serene halo
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oh ok

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nice

kindred onyx
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Hang on

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Am I gonna make it on my first attempt ?

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I just got out of Elysium
3dds to spare and 7 minutes
With a swift 2 sack and some luck…

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🤞

latent moon
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Is this 32 heat

kindred onyx
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Yes

rustic vale
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Using dd’s for 32 heat bouldy

kindred onyx
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First time playing 32

gray apex
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With 7 minutes you can afford a 3 sack atleast

latent moon
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Is this chiron

kindred onyx
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Can I now?

gray apex
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Unless it's EM4 or CP2 or some chad pact

kindred onyx
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I’m not that fast

latent moon
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Dc10

gray apex
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I mean a good build needs like 2 minutes for Hades

rustic vale
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Unless it’s an actually horrid pact you should be good

kindred onyx
latent moon
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Oh

kindred onyx
gray apex
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welp

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nevermind then

latent moon
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This is so based

rustic vale
gray apex
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you probably need a 2 sack

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so gl

latent moon
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Gamer

rustic vale
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this is why we take lc4 and avoid em4 and cp2

latent moon
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Well lc4 is enough heat to avoid em4

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Cp2 comes from not taking like idk

gray apex
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Could be TD

latent moon
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Fo or bp or something

gray apex
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I think this is TD2

latent moon
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I assumed td3 and they got out of Ely with 2 minutes to spare

rustic vale
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TD2 for 32 heat 😳

latent moon
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And then another 5 got added

gray apex
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Could be

rustic vale
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Nvrmind I know I’ve seen reddit 40 heat clears with td0 so it’s not that bad

gray apex
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I've done 50 with TD0 wanna see it

latent moon
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Yes

rustic vale
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That sounds painful

gray apex
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It took 1 attempt so my pact is optimal

latent moon
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Lmfao

rustic vale
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I mean I was expecting a win just a longer time

gray apex
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There you go

rustic vale
kindred onyx
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AND I GOT A GODDAMN TINY VERMIN

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Rip run

rustic vale
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CP2 tiny vermin lmao

kindred onyx
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So it’s a 3 sack then Al

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At least

gray apex
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Could still be doable

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Depending on build and stuff

latent moon
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Heart rend conc relentless epic swift flourish with 2 epic chaos flourish

latent moon
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That would make dad fight pretty easy ngl

latent moon
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I'm gonna do heart rend chaos

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No I'm not

rustic vale
latent moon
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Too bad

kindred onyx
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3 minutes for an EM4 dad fight

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I had a good run

toxic trellis
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Nice nice

latent moon
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1 min each phase

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Easy

rustic vale
latent moon
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Also TD doest insta kill

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So you're chilling

kindred onyx
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Yeah I know

latent moon
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Oh yeah he's got 10k extra hp in 2 phases

gray apex
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You just have to play well

kindred onyx
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I already ran out of time in Elysium

gray apex
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It's not really dead yet

rustic vale
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30% longer em4 fight sounds fun

kindred onyx
gray apex
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so its td2

kindred onyx
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Well

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Wish me luck

latent moon
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Oh gamer

latent moon
kindred onyx
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Nope
Didn’t make it

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It was damn close though

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Ran out of time on phase 3

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I’m still damn proud of myself

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It honestly wasn’t as difficult as I expected

rustic vale
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What’s the full pact?

kindred onyx
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pfff
i turned off the console already

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don't worry about it i can figure it out myself

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it wasn't a pact issue
it was a skill issue ron

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still
im satisfied with this run
i've put up one hell of a fight peepoFight

royal crystal
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Yes I do have Guan-Yu revealed and unlocked
Both of the rail gun aspect are level 2 and 3
Completed 3 runs after soft-resetting my data and still didn't get the "I see your prideful fall down from the heavens to the flames"
and yeah I have bad rng SAD

vital spade
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Haydeez

carmine wraith
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Double check to make sure you have guan yu revealed

rustic vale
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“Soft-reseting”?

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If you mean reseting vis giving up it gives you the same seed so going back into the same seed should give you the same dialogue

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I swear it’s the same opening cut scene each time, huh

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Dad says the same things whenever I use the same seed

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Sometimes

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Not often though

vital spade
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I wish I could buy zagrus’s used socks

royal crystal
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I only have 30 hours into the game so thank you for telling me

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that's why I get the same exact boons everytime I reset even though I switch keepsakes

vital spade
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What heat have you beat in 30 hours

royal crystal
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3

vital spade
royal crystal
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with different weapons

runic meadow
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hello everyone!! I tried Hades from game pass and got hooked, bought the game, now I'm playing it non stop

vital spade
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On the grind huh

runic meadow
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(f for those who didn't pay attention to Hades vanishing from it)

royal crystal
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btw how much Hades cost for originally

vital spade
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Hopefully hades 2 has more than 4 lvls

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It’s almost like they could adjust the length

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6 would be a solid number imo

royal crystal
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Hestia or Eris for quick runs?

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(Hestia lvl 3 and Eris lvl 2)

raw herald
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At this stage, eris

royal crystal
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Zeus boons on attack will do right?

runic meadow
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Hades for PSVita when

raw herald
latent moon
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USD

manic kraken
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FINALLY

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guan yu lvl 1 is brutal lmao

royal crystal
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Ig it's a deal

latent moon
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Really?

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I've never seen hades more than 50% off lmao

royal crystal
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yeah

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Rp. 60,000 to be exact

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(3,84 USD)

latent moon
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Dang nice

strong ridge
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they could do it risk of rain style and have each level have 2 possible locations

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but half the maps in ror2 blow imo so it might be better they full focus 1 location per level

royal crystal
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to keyboard players, aimed or auto-aim?

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why'd you turn off on rail?

latent moon
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So you actually hit the shots

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Tracking movies enemies while you're moving yourself is quite difficult

rich horizon
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actively cackling, zagreus has a line that's "we're not finished" when he runs down hades' first health bar, and hades has a line that's "we're not finished" when he gets back up and I got those in quick sucession, it was hilarious

stone wedge
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"we're not finished"
"we're not finished"
"stop copying me dad"

deft python
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Friendship ended with zag fists. Arthur’s sword is my new best friend.

fervent jewel
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i'm ares's friend now

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and i had a good run with DOOM it was neat turning it into a weird mix of DOT and burst damage

manic kraken
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I used to like spear but today I made myself win with guan yu lvl 1

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I’m no longer a spear user

rustic vale
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I’m a GY special enjoyer 💪

manic kraken
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Oh yeah I was using the special

latent moon
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@rustic vale i have left tartarus with that scuffed 33 heat pact

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thank god for no td

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cringe lvl 3 common aphro strike

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but based +67% chaos atk boon

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also using DDs at this heat is weird

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this legitimately feels like 40 heat because of hl5 lmao

deft python
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Gy is probably my second least favorite weapon

bronze forge
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just used dinosysus's aid agsint him in a trial but didnt get acheivement

latent moon
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has to be full call

bronze forge
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o

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like 100?

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how do i do that

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doesnt the fight usually end before that happens

sonic fulcrum
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there is an Hermes boon that let your call charge automatically, so with it you just have to stall and you will get your greater call

deft python
sonic fulcrum
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or some other various boon that help you gain more call charge

deft python
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Or if it’s a trial in elysium kill one of the shadow guys and then let him regen to farm him

bronze forge
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ok

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i would have to remove TD then

latent moon
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or take a ton of damage lmao

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more enemies also makes you charge call more

bronze forge
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i love aspect of achilles

wicked swan
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for exagryph turn off aim at cursor

solid bane
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Finally starting to get up to medium amounts of heat(8-10) Out of all of them, I feel like Heightened Security and Convenience Fee are absolutely just massive scams for their heat cost lmao. On the other side, Extreme Measures 1+2, Damage Control 1(On some weapons), Tight Deadline, and Jury Summons are free.

wicked swan
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damage control 1 isnt too hard imo
just pop them with casts

solid bane
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Yeah. Also, extra cast stones on Stygian Soul feels absolutely absurd. Artemis+Athena runs are so funny when you get 3 cast stones+a high level phalanx shot.

wicked swan
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big deflecting balls fr

solid bane
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also, despite the Claws of Enkidu being awesome I hate them because I'm terrible at the input for dash uppers lmao

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It bricks my timing for reason and I just cannot figure out why

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So close to finally being able to check out #h1-story-discussion - just stalling out the epilogue quest until I get favor with my last two gods because I want to have them all done lol

solid bane
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Also, from what I've read:

It seems I'm in the minority opinion for areas: Styx is my favorite by far(Especially the miniboss rooms, I typically can't stand the final chambers of non-miniboss Styx runs), and my least favorite is Elysium.

celest cave
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Woohoo! Three times!

solid bane
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Huh. That was a weird timing for dialogue, LOL.

Got the Eurydice dialogue with Zag learning she had met the Queen before...and then when I got back to the house, got the dialogue about the Persephone liking their music, only for Zag to still be surprised that they had met before.

bronze forge
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how do i get to hermes ambrosia

solid bane
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Talk to Hermes with a Lambent Plume at level 3

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Should take a few times for the dialogue to proc.

bronze forge
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oh you have to get the plume?

bronze forge
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wb aphrodite and detemer

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how do i know all three are done

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i think ive gifter amrbosia to all of them

rustic vale
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Max out on ambrosia given to them

solid bane
bronze forge
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ohh the sticker

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ok

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also i just realized why zagreus feels sick every time he escapes

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its hilarious

bronze forge
rustic vale
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That’s the issue

bronze forge
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the son a b isnt always home

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how do i get charged flight, explosive launcher, and kinetic launcher

solid bane
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luck

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They'll show up eventually, just keep taking the hammer and rolling the anvil

bronze forge
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it doesnt go with certain aspects

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be careful with your advice man

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also whats the best fist

rustic vale
rustic vale
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decent

subtle sinew
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Dude max level than companion is insanely good against theseus and asterius

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I believe im now at 15 escapes in a row

latent moon
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Why does the level of the companion matter lmao it does the same damage doesn't it

bronze forge
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lmao

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i miss @high island

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where is she

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she doesnt hangout anymore

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is she grindin 60 heat

high island
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What?

shell raft
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Can I ask was Hades One Early Acess paid or was free on epic/steam. I was just curious since I loved the first game and would like to get the second

high island
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Paid.

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You don't need to buy the game again after early access.

shell raft
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Ohhhh wow definetly going to get it then

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Thank you so much

wicked swan
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i accidentally picked a chaos cast damage boon

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on hera bow

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💀

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i am screwed

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AND I PICKED BULL CHAMBER

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NOOO

latent moon
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just dont get hit

tall trench
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Are there any restrictions to what Fateful Twist can be from Charon wells? Only notable thing I've ever gotten from it is a centaur heart, I tend to only buy it if I have obols to burn and hourglass. Wondering if it can yield kiss, ixion, or lure?

latent moon
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def ixion

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idk about the other two

tall trench
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https://basicallyaverage.com/well-of-charon-hades-guide/

Maybe I am just ignorant to the true values here, but how can the same person who says ixion at 40 obols isn't a very good deal go on to say that lure at 60 obols is well worth the purchase?

Lure is like, only if I have lots of obols to burn or know I'm going into chaos next or maybe styx/surface

The Well of Charon is essentially a pop-up shop for Charon that appears sporadically in Chambers of an escape.  Unlike Charon’s regular shop, players will only be able to buy buffs that help provide players with extra stats or more resources and does not provide players with any Boons The Well of Charon can typically […]

latent moon
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meta game rewards good i guess idk

tall trench
# latent moon def ixion

Hmm okay well its good to know at least about ixion for sure, that's usually what I'm fishing for. It's a true desperation play to try and get kiss from twist

tall trench
# latent moon meta game rewards good i guess idk

Yeah I just feel like unless you're catching the rare fish from a biome which I don't think can be consistently expected it's usually a waste. Feels like too high of a chance you're spending 60 obols for like 20 gemstones or something

latent moon
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ngl a guide for what to get from wells seems pretty pointless, you know what you need and what to look for, there isn't much point making a whole guide for it

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just tell people "make sure to check wells for xyz" and dont go in depth

tall trench
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Yeah, it's usually pretty obvious what is useful, the biggest mistake I make is not noticing a well is in a room until I see it as the door closes

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Quitting out has become my friend

latent moon
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lmao mood

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i stopped doing that because it sometimes makes the game crash

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for me at least

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i've heard it's because of the modpack, but whatever

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i'm more hesitant to do it

tall trench
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I am doing merciful end rn and I almost walked out of an athena erebus while she wasn't in my god pool earlier, quit saved me

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eh one of the few wins of being on console I suppose I'll take it

latent moon
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lmao

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on the other hand, not every pc gamer uses mods

tall trench
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Sure but idk why lol. If I was half as interested in Hades as I am and was running it on PC I'd be using mods unless going for like strictly vanilla challenges or something

old dawn
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people take lure ever? what

latent moon
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chaos fish

tall trench
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At least mods to help show what is going on with the game, feels like would make learning how to predict things easier

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Yeah I take it if I'm going into chaos

old dawn
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ig but even then, once you're done waste of money imo

latent moon
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yeah

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i'm assuming the guide is for newer players

tall trench
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That guide also is really big on the value of the flaming chariots item which idk
Maybe they are more fearsome on high heat but to me they're more annoying than dangerous

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75 obols is pretty steep just to get shield exalted in their place or something

old dawn
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unless you're on dc2 bp2 they just die

latent moon
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oh the flamewheels

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i would've loved to get that item on my last few runs

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god they were miserable

old dawn
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but it depends on weapon how easily you can dispose of them safely

latent moon
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chaos shield bouldy

old dawn
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but yea getting nuked for no reason thanks to their swarms bouldy

latent moon
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dc2 bp2 js3 cp2 residentzag

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why did i agree to do this

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this is legit just a 55 heat pact without lc4 sd

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and ap i guess

old dawn
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lol

old dawn
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when you're playing bullet hell instead of escape from hell

tall trench
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What's that thing in the lower left? Is that a mod thing or one of those ranks I haven't bought yet?

old dawn
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enjoy

old dawn
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resource director in dad chamber

latent moon
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tart is so bad

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aspho is actually not bad

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lernie is always pain ofc

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ely is the worst thing in the world

old dawn
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the amount of times i get lernie taxed is astounding

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ok lmk how is cp2 dad

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em4

latent moon
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uh

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very long

old dawn
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yes

latent moon
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i got to middle of phase 3

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i entered with 1 dd

old dawn
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it be like that

latent moon
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i found a corner where it's hard for him to reach

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because he keeps walking back and forward around the corner

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it's at the bottom where cerby enters, i cant get a pick of it on google images

tall trench
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Did a lambent plume run to level it up and to get that achievement for +20% dodge from it. Probably missed a couple others but the only room I can remember not clearing the timer on was tartarus, pre attack boon, filled with nothing but savior skulls.

I was using the run to fill the prophecy of pacts I hadn't taken yet as well so trap damage was on there and that was a really dumb combo

latent moon
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heightened security pain

tall trench
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Yeah, that sucked and whichever measure it is again that makes it so you have fewer choices, I swear it was aware of what it was doing with the stuff it blocked out

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Heightened security was okay even going fast except for lava and dad pots

tired karma
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DC2 is free heat

latent moon
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em1 and td1 are even more free

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dc2 is actually much worse than it seems

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not much worse i guess

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but it is worse than it seems

old dawn
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dc2 is pain on rama

tall trench
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I'd rather take em1 and td1 over dc2 for sure. Feel like dc2 is way worse for some aspects than others but can still be a pain for any of them

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em1 is like, you get out of tartarus and its done

old dawn
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and some rails

latent moon
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rama is like the one aspect that doesn't care about dc lmao

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also it's only a pain on hestia for rail

old dawn
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ig if you spam special

latent moon
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the others can handle it fine

latent moon
tall trench
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hestia dc2 sounds like pain. I guess you could just spam a magazine at things before going for damage but still pain

old dawn
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now imagine bp2 skulls stacking more dc

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and that took me a whole minute to deal with on hestia in a run once

tall trench
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i legit thought that savior skulls room was unclearable for a sec with boonless fists

tired karma
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dc2 is fine even on arthur

tall trench
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I'd never seen that before

latent moon
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dc2 really isn't fine

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on arthur

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like you're making them 3 shot

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why

old dawn
latent moon
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the idea is to like

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tag a bunch

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and then hit as many as possible with an atk

tall trench
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I mean in isolation dc2 could only be so bad
but it's definitely not free heat

old dawn
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yea i do that but it's still pain lol

latent moon
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any pact by itself is fine at low heat

tired karma
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I did only 36 heat on arthur with dc2 but it didn't bother me at all

old dawn
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i cant imagine doing it on rama and the other stuff is even worse

latent moon
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36 is like mid heat lmao

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also why would you even take dc2 on arthur

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there's a ton of other pacts to take

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arthur can handle RI fine considering it just needs an attack boon

tired karma
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I saw it as free heat

latent moon
old dawn
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i run 32s because any more and the frames will say 💀 to my run making mistakes because of variable framerate sucks

tired karma
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32 is mid but yeah I need to try 40+

latent moon
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36 and 32 aren't too different unless you take like em4

tall trench
latent moon
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or some other horrid pacts together i guess

old dawn
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thanks no thanks dyno

old dawn
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@tall trench laptop below min specs lol

latent moon
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the game runs fine on good computers ofc, but it has it's moments sometimes

tall trench
old dawn
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i built a pc but still need my monitor

tired karma
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It can stutter if u have weak cpu

tall trench
#

lol I mean if its a decent PC then the monitor to match can be decent expensive so I get it

tired karma
#

If it's decent pc u need 2k res monitor
1080p on decent pc is a crime

tall trench
#

I have been moving a ton this year so I'm on console even though my PC is good. Got into Hades as a good game for couch + controller

old dawn
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planned 32:9 1440p since i'm not gonna use it mostly for gaming

tired karma
#

Asus has some great monitors
I have mine for 7 years and feels like brand new

old dawn
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and i hate the bezels from connecting 2-3 monitors

tall trench
#

Yeah I feel that

tired karma
#

Not many games support 32:9

old dawn
#

not an issue

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and definitely not a dealbreaker, i need sleek screen estate on a good panel

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gaming is secondary and even then i think compat options are avail to run it in 16:9

tired karma
#

You only need hades for gaming

old dawn
#

from reading reviews & opinions on 32:9 monitors

tired karma
#

It's great for watching movies

tall trench
#

I have a really nice monitor with bells and whistles for the non-work rig but it's stupid expensive when you're getting high res and quick refresh rate at the same time, I feel like it's a scam because I can never notice the difference but then if I make a mistake an a low refresh rate then I'm tempted to blame the monitor

old dawn
#

i can imagine

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trust me what i'm eyeing is also stupid expensive lol

tall trench
#

nice, well, like I said no reason to build a nice PC and then put a bad monitor on it

old dawn
#

the whole thing is stupid expensiv, i think i shelled out 3k usd on the tower already

tired karma
#

There's a huge difference even from 60hz to 75hz

old dawn
#

self built ofc because markups for assembly are absolutely disgusting here

tall trench
#

yeah same, I'd even be willing to pay for an assembler if any were reputable but it's mostly just a lazy tax

tired karma
#

165hz feels nice

Not much difference from it and 240hz though

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Here the store u buy parts from assembles pc for free

old dawn
#

10~15% of parts' cost so yea

tired karma
#

Yikes

tall trench
#

I got 144hz on a very decent resolution and it hurt
The most painful thing was GPU, even today they're still overpriced like crazy
it's ridiculous in comparison how much cheaper storage has become though, even high speed m1

old dawn
#

wdym it hurt

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im looking for 120hz in particular

tall trench
#

well yeah but even if you pay the cost I dunno, I wouldn't trust most assemblers. They may have done it more than most have but they don't care, when I did PC repair and people brought in self builds they were usually pretty wtf inside

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It just hurt cause of price point, monitor is great

old dawn
#

ah

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well thats why i avoid prebuilts

tall trench
#

Actually, yeah, these were mostly kinda a hybrid not sure what you'd consider them, I guess they'd be prebuilds, I'm thinking like ibuypower type stuff

old dawn
#

i benched mine already and it's looking fine, thermals stressed, perf looks about right compared to reference scores

tall trench
#

If you have a local assembler they'd probably do you better since they have to look you in the eye when they give it to you

old dawn
#

voltages look ok at stock, xmp isnt causing issues

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i suppose

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at this point i just need a monitor, i literally cant use the tv since its wall mounted and really high

tall trench
#

Ares is killing me right now. Did the 10k prophecy ages ago and his hearts just won't unlock

old dawn
#

my neck would give out if i worked like that

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rip

tall trench
#

wait no
I just had to say it out loud
that was the trick apparently

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I've been resetting runs to try and trigger it, probably for like an hour now

old dawn
#

complain and ye shall receive

tall trench
#

I don't even think the dialogue was different but I'm just sorta mashing through it at this point

solid bane
#

The truest of problems:

I've gotten too good at fishing and can no longer catch common fish so I'll never finish my Chlam codex entry

old dawn
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close your eyes and time it only to the audio

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then if you still hit perfect fish offset the audio

tall trench
#

Curse of Longing is useless on Merciful End, right? I think Merciful End just wipes the doom out entirely

old dawn
#

mm

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it makes doom stick for longer making ME easier to proc but the thing with ME builds is that they apply doom super fast and pop it even faster with ddash

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so it's kinda useless

tall trench
#

Yeah, that's sort of what I was thinking too, I imagine dire misfortune is a pretty useless take as well for similar reasons

old dawn
#

that one actually does something on fast weapons

tall trench
#

I mean, I almost took it for fist, but I got extra dashes from hermes finally and I have divine dash so I'm basically just dash striking for instant procs. I imagine maybe on something like rail or without divine dash it could be better?

old dawn
#

and is nice to have if you get it offered and everything else from that batch ends up bad

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still not as good as impending doom tho

tall trench
#

I took battle rage instead because I figured it would make upper special good (demeter)

old dawn
#

yea makes sense

tall trench
#

yeah was hoping for impending doom but at this point don't need it lol, ME on its own clears around my heat I just wanna do dumb damage cause fun

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also trying to understand ME more

old dawn
#

ares atk athena special and dash, impending doom, pom atk and impending doom a bit

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basically

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then fish for global damage increases i'd say

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ofc all that getting ME which is the hard part lmao

tall trench
#

yeah that's my basic recipe, impending doom is just a big chunk of essentially free damage once you have divine dash, I just try and get reqs for it ASAP as far as trying to get the actual duo itself

old dawn
#

sadly it wont pop up with just ddash and a doom source

tall trench
#

It doesn't? It seems like it is for me

old dawn
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but i kinda get why lmao

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nah you need a diff athena core

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iirc

tall trench
#

Oh you mean to get ME

brazen mulch
#

Hades?

old dawn
#

ye

tall trench
#

Yeah

brazen mulch
#

Ha deez nuts

old dawn
#

how about thanatos

brazen mulch
#

Also I'm terminally addicted to this game

#

Help

old dawn
#

quitting society straight into the wilderness is the only way to stop playing it

brazen mulch
#

Or I can do something better

old dawn
#

thana those nuts btw

brazen mulch
#

Get addicted to Nuclear Throne instead

#

Also got a question about the game

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How do you finish certain quests

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I'm trying to start Meg's quest but I have no clue what to do

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I am playing this game kind of blind so

void vigil
#

the quests in this game are not always "quests" in the traditional video game meaning, some of them are completed just by playing the game and waiting on dialogue rng

green plover
#

just won my first EM4 run..

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just barely though

tired karma
#

Now do EM4+FO2

tired karma
#

It can be a drag to get ME + Divine Dash
And you need both for optimal ME build

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But it's the most fun build for me
Especially on demeter fists

slim matrix
#

i found a very small inconsequential bug. is there any where i can put a picture of it? i dont really need any support or anything

steady dove
#

hello, can somone recomend me what weapons should i use my blood on ? i got 1 clear whit each weapon atm, so 6 in total, i do have 2 points in chirion bow and i got hidden spear unlocked , i got 18 more blood atm

tired karma
#

Eris rail

steady dove
#

im using conntroler so rail is a bit wonky

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im not the hugest fan of sword movesets and rail tbh

tired karma
#

If u enjoy fists I would go for demeter
Very strong and fun

steady dove
#

also should i max 1 aspect or lvl up multiple ones to unlock the hidden ones

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i think in term of enjoyment i like bow/spear most then shield / fist, i like the range builds more like special or cast focused

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oh btw are there some resources like tier lists ? on google i found multiple opinions on whats best and it all depends on investment and heat

tired karma
#

Hidden ones are pretty good
Pinned post in story channel tells how to get then all

steady dove
#

i do know how to get them. but im unsure if its worth unlocking them or maxing a weapon instead

tired karma
#

Achilles for spear is best

steady dove
#

idk how do you farm blood once u are done whit the clearns of boss 1 and 4 on normal and heat 1 ? i already bought the blood i find in last lvl if i can afford it

tired karma
#

You can unlock them later
They aren't a deal breaker

steady dove
#

achiles is like eris but u dont have to get in the circle 😄

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is there any other way to get blood once u beat the game ? or thats all the options

tired karma
#

You need to up your heat

steady dove
#

i do but i get nothing else beside on normal and heat 1

tired karma
#

Each new heat gives new blood

steady dove
#

it shows me that i gained them

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just as on heat 1

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same icons whit checkmarks till heat 52

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maybe i have to beat the game first ?

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all 12 runs or how manny u need

manic kraken
#

uh what

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you should have new bounties for each weapon for heat 0-20

steady dove
#

i dont

manic kraken
#

Sounds like you did 0 and 1

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but you should still have 2-20

tired karma
#

Do now 2

manic kraken
#

just do a 2 heat rub

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run*

steady dove
#

maybe its a interface glitch but it shows me that i gained lvl 1 blood and lvl 2 diamond on each heat lvl after 1 till 52

tired karma
#

Or 1 on another weapon
Each weapon has it's own separate thing

steady dove
#

i did do all weapons on normal

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and i gain most blood and diamond on heat 1 on all weapons

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and when i put other heat lvls it shows the checkmark

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let me go in game

tired karma
#

Just do 2 heat and see if it gives

steady dove
#

ill make a screenshot

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alright ill try

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I can't post pictures

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I just maxed heat to 59 and it shows I gained the blood and diamond :))

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I guess it's a interface thing

tired karma
steady dove
wicked swan
#

your dash has iframes which should help avoid damage

steady dove
#

but id have to get the hammer for that , and i might not even get one early

tired karma
#

Building for clockets is the most annoying thing

chrome heath
#

I just had a weird idea: a Hades version/mod integrated with twitch that allows chat to sabotage the player/streamer mid-run.

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Like temporarily or permanently increasing heat, summoning enemies, etc

vital spade
#

Is EM4 hades the true final boss or is there a harder boss

chrome heath
#

I'd say Charon, if only because of how soon you gotta face him

#

Easier patterns, hits like a truck

tired karma
#

I get bored with video games so easily these days, even with highly praised ones (rdr2, god of war, etc)

But hades manages to be addictive

vital spade
#

Try assault android cactus

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It’s addictive like hades :3 and has insane post-game challenges to keep you hooked for hundreds of hours

#

Lots of the best games are indies

wicked swan
chrome heath
#

Meanwhile I'm 400 hours in and counting with Hades

#

They really Breaking Badded this game into a gem

vital spade
#

Most of the AAA games are all graphics and shallow gameplay

#

It’s not u it’s just good gayms r hard to find

craggy wren
#

P E R S O N A!!!!!

tired karma
#

The whole industry is rotten
A garbage game like last of us 2 had the most awards in history until elden ring

craggy wren
steady dove
#

Dose aspect of hestia work whit spreadfire hammer?

tired karma
#

How last of us 2 even won so many awards when it was widely hated on, lmao

Awards are corrupted

steady dove
#

If u like hades u might love that game too, I do at least

tall trench
#

Does swift flourish reduce the time in between using specials? I have rocket bomb

chrome heath
chrome heath
vital spade
#

Game awards caters to AAA popular games with high end graphics and casual gameplay that appeals to 9 year olds

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Every year graphics get better but gameplay stagnates or gets dumbed down

#

F zero GX came out 20 years ago and still the best racing game

chrome heath
#

We getting off topic xD

vital spade
#

I like wipeout bouldy

#

I kinda wish sgg would make a twin stick shooter roguelike

upper lynx
#

going to fight hades himself now

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*for the first time

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I already know I am loosing

#

I have the boon that makes that red gem do lighting when it's not picked up

fiery furnace
#

Question regarding how early access saves worked on 1.0 launch: If you had beaten Hades, how did the plot progression for future runs work? Did the ending play out over 10 post-1.0 clears, or did it skip some of the scenes that you'd experience on a fresh save or what?

vital spade
#

Stay far away and use terrain for cover : )

tall trench
#

I've always avoided spreadfire on hestia because I remember reading it "didn't work" but never got an explanation as to in what way

#

I'm guessing only one of the shots fired by spread gets the first-shot bonus?

steady dove
#

i guess i missed out xd

tall trench
#

If it got the base damage increase it would still be an upgrade though yeah? Not sure

#

Not sure if the post-reload hestia shot has a higher base damage or is just regular shot with a percentage increase though

chrome heath
#

Ungodly dislexia on my part holy hell

rustic vale
#

Hesty shot is still regular hesty shot

#

So first shot is the usual sniper shot with 150 base damage and every shot after is the spreadfire shot with 40 base damage

tall trench
#

Yeah to me that's not a downgrade just like, sorta irrelevant since I'd rather be using the hesty shot ig?

steady dove
#

Thanks for clarifying

tall trench
#

On the topic of rail hammers, does triple bomb interact with rocket bomb at all?

rustic vale
#

Yes

tall trench
#

So like, 3 rockets?

rustic vale
#

The same way cluster bomb and rocket bomb interact

#

Yes

tall trench
#

Cool, I guess that makes sense, thanks, just have learned not to assume with hammers lol

rustic vale
#

It’s pretty clear cut with how the special hammers affect your special for rail at least

#

The only thing the game doesn’t tell you for them is rocket bomb ignores cluster bombs damage nerf

tall trench
#

I got rocket already and am on an attack based build so just trying to way it against piercing fire, which is situational but also nice to have. 3 specials seem okay except probably a longer animation

tall trench
steady dove
#

Ah btw regarding fishing, I saw u can fish on surface

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And I got 2 fishes there

#

Is there more? Can I miss out on geting all the fish if I miss some catches there

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I heard u can't go back once u beat the game

vivid ice
#

you can still get surface fish after beating the game

steady dove
#

Alright

sharp thistle
#

Sup guys how are y’all doing ?

steady dove
#

I'm doing bad :)) I tryed the weapons whit max blood and used all my blood on hestia and by mistakes dodge exited the room and progress saved, so now I gotta get used to play whit rebinded controller

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I had 18 🙂

#

Back to farming

tall trench
#

How do you aim companions like shady? Meg seems pretty consistent, a line straight in front of you, but I've been using Shady to unlock codex and sometimes it lands on a nearby enemy, but other times will ignore any enemies and land behind, centered, or in front of zag and I have idea what the rhyme or reason is

sharp thistle
steady dove
#

His keepsake is the only one I got, I'll get dusa after next run and Meg sometimes soon

#

But I haven't maxed it yet, was hoarding a bit on resources

#

I always forget to use it tbh :))

sharp thistle
sharp thistle
tall trench
#

just can't figure out how the aiming for it works it feels random where it lands

steady dove
#

I do know how to unlock them, I just don't have em yet

steady dove
tall trench
#

No don't need kills, but it would be nice lol

#

Both to be more effective now and to know how it works

steady dove
#

I don't even use mine I forgot the button :))

#

I remember on last boss and I can't even use it thrn

proud lodge
#

I forgot how very short those first fights with Meg can be.. I need a power up 😉

vital spade
#

Sometimes it can take annoyingly long

#

As a spear user lernie always flies by to me

#

Personally I think bosses 1 and 3 r most annoying

wicked swan
#

Imo alecto is the hardest sister

#

Meg and tis are super easy

tired karma
#

The throwdowns with meg are short both in tartarus and in house of hades

carmine echo
#

Question: How many of you beat the 32 heat challenge? And Why do you do this to yourself?

tired karma
#

Most of the active users here

chrome heath
#

Because skelly told me to

tired karma
#

Not unlocking the last statue felt lame and out of place

sonic fulcrum
#

After a point, it's good to have new challenge to keep playing the game, it's either heat or speedrun (or both), so doing 32 is a perfectly normal thing to try after a while

chrome heath
#

With every aspect

carmine echo
#

I did the 16 and it was such a drag for me…I looked at the 32 and I just said No

chrome heath
#

You'll train your pain tolerance

#

Heat tolerance

carmine echo
#

I’m 31. I can’t

#

I don’t

tired karma
#

First 32 heat was hard and annoying (I jumped from 16 to 32 right away)
But now it's easy

#

Especially on arhur

#

My first was on zag rail

chrome heath
#

Oof

#

That one is a drag for me

#

Can't get its building right

vital spade
#

Honestly I hardly even feel like grinding that hard to beat that

#

I probably could beat the game with all the heats except tight deadline turned to max

tired karma
#

60 heat is like the max anyone managed to do

#

U can break a world record

vital spade
#

I’m sure someone has cleared 63 heat

tired karma
#

Actually someone did 64

vital spade
#

How much does tight deadline add overall

#

There’s a 64 heat? I thought it went to 63

tired karma
#

Baj

#

64 is max

vital spade
#

How do u get the last heat?

sonic fulcrum
#

hell mode

vital spade
gray apex
#

64 has only been done routed and 63 has only been done modded

vital spade
#

Ya I don’t wanna deal with having to mod the game just to have good enough rng to clear

#

Getting hit to me isn’t the issue but going fast enough with all the heats applied

gray apex
#

It'll be both eventually bouldy

tired karma
#

What is the record for unmodded

gray apex
#

62

vital spade
#

Do most ppl lose cuz tight deadline

#

Or from getting hit

gray apex
#

It depends on the heat, but could be a mix of both

sonic fulcrum
#

also, with tight deadline you have to take more risk sometime and get hit more

vital spade
#

I just imagine being on route to clear 63 heat but then u gotta purge ur boons that do damage and then u just die from too low dps

tired karma
#

Maybe u can abuse shackle and chaos boons

gray apex
#

You can't

gray apex
#

There is no point in playing it out at this much heat

#

You could have a perfect build and get totally rekt by the timer

#

This is mirrorless afterall

vital spade
#

Yeah

#

Just sounds more frustrating than fun

#

You need rng of the gods

#

Maybe hades 2 will find more clever end game challenges that don’t feel as much an rng wall at highest lvl

brisk trail
#

Hello my frends

sonic fulcrum
vital spade
#

Obvi

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It’s a well designed game but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be better designed too tho

#

I guess everything past 32 heat is kinda extra anyway in terms of game unlockable stuff

sonic fulcrum
#

well, i don't agree with that you think is a flaw in design: imo that design is fine, it's just not design with the idea that people should be doing 64 heat; and that's just an absurdly hard chalenge for people who always want more challenge.

#

so it's good to have something too hard that need rng for a thing like that

vital spade
#

🤷‍♂️

tired karma
#

Someone probably did it unmodded

#

Some chad who doesn't use discord

vital spade
#

Chinese player with 14k hours bouldy

rustic vale
rustic vale
rich horizon
#

my grandparents are coming to town and like seeing the video games I'm into, but I have all the prerequisites for the megthanzag scene and I don't want to run into that with them in the room 😭

steady dove
#

Just do a new save

#

And Aphrodite shows up

rich horizon
#

you're gonna give me anxiety dreams /j

sharp thistle
steady dove
#

I'm 5/0 streak whit it

icy knoll
steady dove
#

Hestia is so easy to play as long as u spam reload

#

U only need a hight % atk

steady dove
#

And that's it

#

Well I'm only heat 5 atm

sharp thistle
steady dove
#

Thanks

#

I'm trying to get the ending and more blood

#

I want to max 1 of each aspects to farm more

#

This one's the easyest yet I haven't lost yet since unlocking it

ivory swan
steady dove
#

But remaping the controller is messing whit my muscle memmory

#

:))

toxic trellis
ivory swan
steady dove
steady dove
#

So I can pres square and r1 button in same time for insta reload

sharp thistle
steady dove
#

So each time I press both I shot and reload on same time

steady dove
sharp thistle
ivory swan
sharp thistle
steady dove
steady dove
sharp thistle
steady dove
#

Whit Poseidon cast too

sharp thistle
ivory swan
sharp thistle
steady dove
#

It's either isntead of special or cast or a shoulder button for me

ivory swan
#

Kfdjcdbxzmd

sharp thistle
ivory swan
#

Gaius moment

sharp thistle
#

Yeah.

#

Ok guys hear me out.

ivory swan
#

👂

sharp thistle
#

Poseidon aspect + BlackOut + Mirage Shot = Busted.

#

It works really well with only BlackOut but with Mirage shot it’s one a whole other level.

ivory swan
#

Noted!

vital spade
#

Bouldy is hottest character in the game

#

bouldy

steady dove
sharp thistle
#

My bouldy got some drip not gonna lie.

vital spade
#

He rely do

steady dove
#

So I just got the boat ride back, is this the end of the main story?

vital spade
#

Ye

steady dove
#

Oh feelsbad

#

Good riddance is still the best song

vital spade
#

Tho there’s still a crap ton of dialogue. But ye game is kinda disappointingly short

steady dove
#

Yeh its fun, lot of side chars to max friends and get more lore

#

I wish I had more and diferent dialogie talking and convincing mom to come back

vital spade
#

I wonder how many attempts it takes to even get all the dialogue

steady dove
#

Some was like, pretty lackluster

#

Idk, u can always spam die and go back to get dialogues

vital spade
#

Yeah some of the story bits feel like just padding the game lol. Like when u go into your fathers room and you just see capes. Wtf was that lol

steady dove
#

And moms dialogue, like why u decide to come back, suddenly, and when she was like I don't want to come back suddenly cuz she's scared now

#

I wish I had keep the free hades run and did the harder heat or his upgraded contract fight

vital spade
#

Idk. The story is good at keeping the player coming back for more but I wouldn’t say it’s particularly interesting lol

steady dove
#

I didn't even get my heart up whit chaos whit egg cuz he let me pass

#

Characters >main story

vital spade
#

True the characters r good. But some ppl talk how the story is really good but it kinda isn’t imo

steady dove
#

Yes, it's just there,gameplay and characters are nice

#

Well it's a roguelike, so it's story shouldn't be it's main point

toxic trellis
vital spade
#

Bouldy is enough story for me

toxic trellis
#

Maybe a little too much

high island
steady dove
high island
#

Also, Hades story is phenomenal. dusa

steady dove
high island
#

There doesn't need to be "much" of a story for it to be great.

#

A good story knows when it should end.

steady dove
#

Yes, but there's like not much to it, the motives why she left olynpus could be explored more for example, the story is super simple as she tought her son died and she left to not cause a war, son finds out that his mom's somone else ( little exposition to how when you sleep first time), and he wants to find her, the dialogue between them don't give much lore and her coming back just cuz hades loves her cuz he got a picture whitout any convincing is a bit weack, but serves it's purpose,they where a few times when u talk to her when u learn nothing new like 2 or 3 escapes

#

I mean yes it's dose the job but no way it's phenomenal, at least for me, it's simple , could have a loot more to add to it but that's not the point of the game

vital spade
#

Don’t bother ppl don’t like the game criticized here lol

#

(I agree tho)

high island
#

the motives why she left olynpus could be explored more for example
The story of how and why she ended up in the Underworld has already been told plenty of times, you know. tizomg

rich horizon
steady dove
vital spade
#

The characters do outshine the story

steady dove
#

Btw what do you all focus the nectar on, maxing the characters or the companion thing they give u ?

#

I only have dusa and than atm

vital spade
#

Meg’s is the best one apparently

steady dove
#

I still didn't get her to have the dialogue whit me, maybe now that I'm done whit story it will be easyer

void vigil
#

i focused characters first and companions when i had enough ambrosia for all of them

vital spade
#

Funny I beat 32 heat and don’t have any companions

steady dove
#

I never use them cuz I forget but hey I gotta max all for completitionism sake

high island
steady dove
#

Thanks

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That meme picture is nice too

high island
#

That's the guide.

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There is no meme picture.

vital spade
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Lol

steady dove
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Oh , so everything to aphro

vital spade
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everything to bouldy

high island
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Yes. Give all of your earthly belongings to Lady Aphrodite.

steady dove
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Focused on the ppl who rarely show up, and those who might move away for now

vital spade
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Why does meg like never appear in the house for me

steady dove
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She bussy whit thanatos

high island
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You'll get them all eventually anyway, so just do what seems fun at the time. And if you don't play for long enough to max all of them, all the more reason to follow your heart while you do play.

tired karma
steady dove
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Yeh I'll play some more of it, like other roguelikes it's fun to do a few runs a day

steady dove
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I wish I could romance Poseidon lmao

tired karma
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It just takes time

steady dove
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He's fun

tired karma
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She plays hard to get

steady dove
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Skely is best waifu anyway

vital spade
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Everyone wants to be skely’s little boyo

steady dove
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What's the max lvl u can pom a skill

raw herald
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There isn’t a hard cap

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You realistically won’t ever go above the 50s tho

steady dove
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I think I never got more that 6 or 7

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Even whit little boons on my rail

tired karma
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can I make a dio build if I don't drink alcohol

brisk trail
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any tips for beating charon?

chrome heath
tired karma
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so basically no dio

chrome heath
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All the flavour

vital spade
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Arties thighs

vital spade
brisk trail
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36

tired karma
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aphrodite's face looks weird btw
it's like she's 60 years old

artemis on the other hand has a cute face

vital spade
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Maybe it’s cuz I’m too blinded by bouldy’s beautiful curves but I just realized Aphrodite is nude

tired karma
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and she walks around like that all the time in olympus

brisk trail
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i mean

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you gotta do what you gotta do

tired karma
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I bet not many would cosplay as her to comic con

vital spade
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Au contraire

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What did Charon say when he saw aphrodite walking by?

brisk trail
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arrrrrrrrrrrgh

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probably

tired karma
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"take my money"

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or "wanna make some easy money together?"
he then set her up with an onlyfans account

brisk trail
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or

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hear me out

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"kkkkkrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhn"

willow wedge
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really makes her look bad

high island
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Heretics.

rich horizon
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ilove her design so much, I didn't realize until I was really far into the game that she wasn't in any clothes

tired karma
tired karma
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if you remove that line her face looks much better

willow wedge
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yall just down bad and cant see it

vital spade
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Isn’t the point kind of to give her milf vibes

tired karma
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they did the same with meg

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also very weird lipstick colour choice

tired karma
hardy spear
vital spade
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Meg reminds me of Morrison from darkstalkers

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She’s probably inspired by her

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You know bat seductress and all

tired karma
vital spade
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Looks right to me. It’s supposed to like kind of otherworldly/glowy I think

tired karma
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dark purple or dark blue lipstick would fit way more

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or dark orange

vital spade
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Actually it’s coral blue number-

tired karma
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but the worst problem is the cheekbone line
same with aphro

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at least artemis doesn't have it

calm wigeon
vital spade
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Theyre supposed to have sharp chiseled faces to make them look more seductive and less soft and ditzy

tired karma
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remove that line and they both suddenly look way younger
it's funny how one line can ruin a face

calm wigeon
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I think the cheekbones thing gives a 'high fashion' vibe tbh, I kinda dig it xD (but I'm biased, I used to work in fashion haha)

vital spade
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It’s supposed to give kind of like Angelina Jolie in Beowulf vibe

calm wigeon
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And all characters don't have to appear young 😮 I like seeing more mature or old women in games ^^

vital spade
tired karma
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google young angelina jolie face

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I wouldn't call current one attractive

calm wigeon
vital spade
tired karma
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it makes no sense for aphro to look old when her entire thing is seduction, love and youthfulness
logically she would pick a young look

tired karma
calm wigeon
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Well btw at the beginning, in some early myths, Aphrodite used to have androgynous features sooo... 😋

pine prism