h1-discussion

[thorny mirage]

he can yes

[latent moon]

than stops in game timer tho

[ionic hemlock]

Alr

[latent moon]

so it's fine

[rustic vale]

Yes, he pauses timer

[latent moon]

tartarus survival rooms dont show up on TD tho

[bronze forge]

Why is tital dash such a popular pick on so many weapons

Why is knockback such an important factor

[thorny mirage]

Knockback isn’t important

It’s just a really good damage source

[bronze forge]

i mean

[thorny mirage]

Killing things good

[bronze forge]

how much is it

[thorny mirage]

Killing things faster is better

[bronze forge]

like 60

60 dmg is a punch

[thorny mirage]

That’s p sizable for a dash boon

[latent moon]

common is 60 yeah

i think

[bronze forge]

i personally would prefer deflect

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1059283881452388373/output.png

[latent moon]

i mean defensively ddash is better

[thorny mirage]

Also yeah poms go crazy

[bronze forge]

im already invulnerable and inside some kind of an enemy projectile or something

might as well return it

[thorny mirage]

Negligible damage though

[latent moon]

but higher skill players prefer tidal dash for more damage because they dont get hit as much lmao

[bronze forge]

good piont

the deflect doesnt do alot of damage?

[latent moon]

it doesl ike

14

[bronze forge]

regardless of the source?

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1059284186445398157/output.png

oh you mean like

defelcting damage

[bronze forge]

yeah

[latent moon]

i mean it's a decent amount

[thorny mirage]

how does damage deflection work actually

[latent moon]

but the dash itself doesnt deal any damage lmao

[bronze forge]

i guess statistically speaking, 60 dmg per dash is much more reliable than any kind of deflect

not to mention how much easier it is to clear smaller enemies

[thorny mirage]

mhm

[bronze forge]

its all about the numbers, mason

[rustic vale]

Big damage, big aoe, big pom scaling, big knockback, and it’s on your dash and your dash is a fast deliverer

[latent moon]

Also deletes Styx with breaking wave

[ionic minnow]

Where are you getting those charts

Also do you have a chart for flood flare pom scaling specifically on beowulf where it's bugged?

[thorny mirage]

Jesus

[mint coral]

Flood beo doesnt have bugged poms

Thats only on trippy

[ionic minnow]

Ohhh that's trippy beoooo

im dummy 😄

The pos bug for beo is that mirage shot does 100% of the damage right

[mint coral]

Mirage applies to all flares

Except thunder cuz it doesnt have cast dmg

[ionic minnow]

Wait 🙂 are you saying that trippy beo can also exploit mirage shot

[mint coral]

(so it also works if using trippy hera, but hera doesnt have bugged poms)

[mint coral]

Ye

[ionic minnow]

Now I'm wondering why so many people take flood beo

Sounds like trippy beo is better

does more d p s

[mint coral]

Trippy needs so many things to work

You use stygian soul so right from the start you need extra casts

Instead of flood being half of mirage you need a 3 god pool

And 2 extra boons just to open mirage

You want poms and your usual stuff then

Flood has nice aoe/dmg and is ez to build

Most trippy runs can be shortened to "slow af start, steam roll late ely-styx"

When you get everything early tho is so fun

[ionic minnow]

fascinating

[thorny mirage]

in other words

#h1-victory-boasting message
This is the nigh perfect trippy beo run

[lofty ether]

what does unhealthy fixation do?

[thorny mirage]

weak has a 15% to charm enemies

Aka read the boon description

[lofty ether]

yeah I did read it

I thought it made them faster and better

[thorny mirage]

no

Charm is a separate effect

That makes enemies not attack you and go attack other enemies

It’s also not good!

[lofty ether]

oh ok

[mint coral]

Lol i noticed that 5 of the 6 weapons have triple digits on my stats

Only one stuck in doubles is sword

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1018987615057358870/unknown.png

[thorny mirage]

True

But counterpoint

[latent moon]

If I had cshot first hammer would've been a much lower time btw

[thorny mirage]

I got artemis legendary

On a cast run

[latent moon]

True

I got better Hermes tho lol

[ionic minnow]

hot take: nyx keepsake is good because it's basically a permanent skull earring if you're just good at hitting enemies from behind

[latent moon]

Counterpoint

[ionic minnow]

skissue if most of your hits arent backstabs

[latent moon]

Just hit them from the front and kill them anyways

[ionic minnow]

[raw herald]

Isn’t it only backstabs for attacks and specials

[latent moon]

Yeah

[thorny mirage]

pppparting shot

[thorny mirage]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

counterpoint: skull earing isn't good

[latent moon]

Decent on high heat tho

Or at least like there's an argument for it

At least with SD

[polar basalt]

why did nobody mention the wretched broker I got a whole 5 extra titan blood now lmao

[latent moon]

Because homies just chilling there and is hard to miss lmao

[polar basalt]

in my defense... I only talk to megara in that room

because yeah

obviously

[rustic vale]

why would anyone mention broker though

[mint coral]

I probably hit 100+ hrs before noticing him

[latent moon]

I noticed him but never traded lmao

[rustic vale]

how accurate do you think this is? (left to right in terms of like strength within it's own tier)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026590427916275783/1059295975472103465/Sword_Hammer_Tierlist.png

[latent moon]

Uh

Idk the names from images for some of them lmao

Dedge and hoarding I know

Shadow

[ionic minnow]

where is double nova and why is it not in a tier

[rustic vale]

double edge
breaching slash, piercing wave, super nova, greater consecration
shadow slash, hoarding slash, double nova, cruel thrust
world splitter, dash nova, flurry slash, cursed slash

[rustic vale]

it's 3rd in neutral

since you can dash out of it

[latent moon]

Pretty accurate probably

[rustic vale]

like yeah hoarding slash could be in the "actually useful" tier but it's hoarding slash

[latent moon]

It's neutral imo

[rustic vale]

it's barely any damage

but it applies to dash strikes

[latent moon]

It'll give some damage more but yeah

[raw herald]

Super nova really only somewhat useful on Poseidon

[rustic vale]

still does more then neutral

also greater consecration could probably get moved down

[ionic minnow]

https://prnt.sc/8TAQvM67_Nwo

[raw herald]

Ok i agree with it I think

[latent moon]

He's definitively a lizard

[rustic vale]

that's dialogue for using beowulf right

[latent moon]

Oh that makes sense

[ionic minnow]

yeah, first-time beowulf prophecy text, but it's way funnier out of context

[raw herald]

Usually when I play beowulf dad doesn’t have a chance to speak

[latent moon]

Mashing continue moment

[rustic vale]

also it took me a stupid long time to get the photos together for that tierlist

why are webp images a thing

[ionic minnow]

uhhh I hate to break it to you but

Did you know that this is a thing https://tiermaker.com/categories/video-games/hades--all-daedalus-hammers-82372

[rustic vale]

I did not know that was a thing

and I don't care

the thing about stygius hammers is that it basically applies for all aspects

[ionic minnow]

Just woulda helped you make your list

[rustic vale]

any other weapon and I think I'd have to seperate it based on aspect

aside from shield

[ionic minnow]

https://prnt.sc/Eugsgw264woO

This is how I would rank them

[rustic vale]

my tiers are titled the way they were for a reason

rather then just a S/A/B/C format

[thorny mirage]

Bruh cruel thrust above hoarding slash smh my head

[rustic vale]

honestly that whole list is kinda wack

[thorny mirage]

wait

Is that

World splitter

that high???

Dear god why

[ionic minnow]

big chop go SLAP

[raw herald]

World splitter is in A there

[thorny mirage]

[rustic vale]

they're a master of bad takes

[thorny mirage]

how you gonna hate beowulf and put world splitter that high

[ionic minnow]

I come by it naturally I guess, my gameplay experience has just been very strange :c

[thorny mirage]

[raw herald]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/1059300270686875668/IMG_4445.jpg

[rustic vale]

double nova in S is way too high tbh

[rustic vale]

true

[thorny mirage]

Double nova is just mid iirc

[ionic minnow]

Double nova on artemis thooo

[thorny mirage]

what about it

[rustic vale]

double nova is neutral on my list because you can and will end up just dashing out of it before the second wave goes out

[ionic minnow]

You're already using special every few seconds to KYS (Keep Yourself Shiny), so why not get double damage on your special

[rustic vale]

it's not double damage on special unless you wait for the second wave

[raw herald]

I’d rather get +300% armor damage

[rustic vale]

which means locking yourself in place for a bit longer while not dash striking

[ionic minnow]

weird

[rustic vale]

and without knocking back enemies because it's double nova

[thorny mirage]

I mean that’s nemesis specific

And the main damage is the combo

[rustic vale]

it's not

[thorny mirage]

Is tje shiny part

[rustic vale]

optimal dps for sword is dash strike till you can't anymore then special and repeat

[brisk trail]

whats a good way to play with aspect of arthur

[thorny mirage]

Not the shine from nemesis seord

[rustic vale]

it's not just nemesis, it's zag and poseidon as well

[thorny mirage]

IK the optimal combo I mention it in the very next message

[raw herald]

Arthur is the same except you don’t special

[rustic vale]

it's not nemesis specific is my point

[thorny mirage]

I just assumed the shiny bit was “shiny head more crit”

[rustic vale]

it's every non-arthur sword

that's a good assumption

but that doesn't mean every other non-arthur sword isn't also specialing as a part of dps rotation

[thorny mirage]

It’s not like it doesn’t help

you’re just

Not getting most of it

The hammer I mean

where second boom

dash out it gone

Sad hours

[rustic vale]

double nova really doesn't help that much because you often end up just dash cancelling it or putting yourself into harms way by waiting for the second wave

[thorny mirage]

Greater Consecration that high also feels weord

Like the hammer doesn’t really do much does it?

[rustic vale]

on my list it's up high just because it's a bit better then just neutral imo

so it falls into the "actually useful" tier

[brisk trail]

should i just be using dash strike on arthur or should i be using its combo?

[thorny mirage]

I mean here

[thorny mirage]

The only “dash striking” I do on arthur is dashing to reposition and continuing the chunky combo hits

[rustic vale]

I dash strike on arthur if I find double edge

I just like consistently dealing good damage funner then winding up for a 2 year long swing

[ionic minnow]

Don't you dahs trike on arthur anyway because the dashing moveset includes the big normal strikes?

[raw herald]

I barely use the chunky swings

[rustic vale]

that's standing strike combo

not dash strike

the arthur dash strike is a 50 base damage lunge

the standing strike combo can just be chained through dashes

[mint coral]

I use the swings cuz otherwise i would be playing nem

I still dash strike tho

[bronze forge]

SHOULD I keep giving nectar to boudly

bouldy

[mint coral]

If you dont have anyone else

And if you have, you still should

[rustic vale]

yes because bouldy boons

[bronze forge]

bouldy gives boons?

or am i just wasting it on it

it doesnt even have a codex entry

am i being scamed

sisiphys piece of shi

[rustic vale]

no

it's random every time

[bronze forge]

whats random

[rustic vale]

between a 1%-10% boost to attack/special/cast damage, movement speed, damage reduction or obol gain or ambiguity

[bronze forge]

oh

[rustic vale]

bouldy boons

[mint coral]

Ambiguity best boon

[bronze forge]

in that case ill save the nectar until im don with everyone else

what does ambiguity do

[mint coral]

Everything

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/edM8mtjY1zob

Yooo ive had this bat colony thing for a while and had NO idea it let you view your house of hades like this

I didn't even know you could interact with it

The attention to detail

[tired lichen]

Wait what?🤯

[ionic minnow]

yea the bat cage thing in the lounge lets u do that

Why do fists of malphon exist

[rustic vale]

why wouldn't they

[vital spade]

Who else thought Orpheus was a gurl

[rustic vale]

I think it's mainly just people who hadn't already heard the og myth

[vital spade]

It was the voice for me. Is he voiced by a girl VA?

[hasty forge]

you know, i completely forgot about the concept of gender when you asked that question, i kid you not.

[rustic vale]

Gender? I hardly know 'er

[hasty forge]

[vital spade]

What does that mean you forgot

?

[hasty forge]

it means that i forgot

as in, in every sense and meaning of the word, i forgot about gender.

[rustic vale]

fail to remember.

[hasty forge]

or as the gen Z says "I forgor 💀"

[vital spade]

That’s like saying you forgot red or dog. You can’t just forget what gender is

[hasty forge]

of course I can

i just did

[rustic vale]

I forgot dog

[vital spade]

Brain damage

[hasty forge]

or just lapse in thinking

it is entirely possible to blank on something and the remind yourself of it. actually pretty common

[vital spade]

K...

[hasty forge]

but to answer the VA question, i do not believe Orpheus' VA is a woman, no

though i dont actually know for sure

[vital spade]

[mint coral]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Michael_Ailshie

[rustic vale]

Iit's a man

for both speaking and for singing

[hasty forge]

mans just got a range

[rustic vale]

2 different VA for speaking and singing, both are men

[vital spade]

[hasty forge]

mens*

[mint coral]

Darren is great

[vital spade]

Mans

[frank torrent]

what's a good build for rama again?

[mint coral]

Aphro atk + zeus/dio special and twin shot

[hasty forge]

i dont even know what rama is

[mint coral]

Add any chaos atk/dash strike and hunter dash

[silver nimbus]

how do i backup my saves

i know where files are located

just which one

[frank torrent]

also, how much will FO2 EM3 suck as a pact?

[hasty forge]

just copy the folder tbh

[silver nimbus]

do i really need to

[hasty forge]

no

im just going to answer with lazy solutions because im lazy

[rustic vale]

Hidden bow

[hasty forge]

ooh the bow is weird to me

[vital spade]

I thought the speaking was a girl honestly lol

[rustic vale]

Watch out for asterius

[frank torrent]

yeah... he's a pain on both EM3 and FO2 on their own for me

[rustic vale]

theseus isn’t too much of an issue with fo2 just make sure you can keep up with him

But asterius is a different question

[frank torrent]

yeah, just have to pay attention to theseus and not think his throws are still on normal timing

i usually wait a second too long once then realise

[vital spade]

Does literally anyone kill Theseus first

[rustic vale]

Yes

[vital spade]

[rustic vale]

Just so that I don’t have to deal with him and asterius at the same time

[thorny mirage]

if my dps is chunky enough I do

[rustic vale]

He’s often just easier to kill

[frank torrent]

yes, if i happen to have a build that goes through shields

or one that doesn't cope with asterius moving super fast

[thorny mirage]

he is easier to kill I’m just used to doing asterius first

[rustic vale]

I don’t think I’ve ever actively gone and tried to kill Asterius first

[vital spade]

If you attack Theseus then you’ll get double teamed. If u go for asterius at least u can get far away from Theseus and only have to dodge arrows

[stuck pier]

Well, I finally beat EM4

[rustic vale]

If you attack Theseus you don’t get double teamed because Theseus just dies

[vital spade]

If u can kill him fast ig

[frank torrent]

repulse shot, triple shot, or power shot?

[stuck pier]

Zagreus Sword with the Tidal Dash / Razor Shoals combo was the bulk of the offense, and I had a lot of Athena perks to blunt the bosses' damage output

[rustic vale]

Triple

[stuck pier]

Perhaps not good to depend on defensive calls, but it worked I guess. I'm not very mechanically good at the game.

[frank torrent]

i have zeus special, artemis dash, and i'm about to get forced into dio. what do i want to force as my 4th god?

[mint coral]

Aphro sounds good

[frank torrent]

oh yeah, aphro attack right?

[rustic vale]

Pos strike rama

[frank torrent]

forced into dem

oh well

[mint coral]

If atk isnt good just get your 5 god pool

Or rare crop it

[frank torrent]

got zeus legendary in tart again

second rama run

second zeus legendary

[mint coral]

Splitting bolt my beloved

[turbid mason]

aphro is ass bro

so is rama

[thorny mirage]

k

[turbid mason]

kk

[frank torrent]

thanks for your input 👍

[rustic vale]

Thanks for choosing to be incorrect 👍

[frank torrent]

tbf i'm just playing rama like delta chamber now

[mint coral]

How does that work

[frank torrent]

spam special

with zeus special

and as many zeus boons as i can get lol

[mint coral]

Where is the rama special copypasta

Ik there is one

[frank torrent]

4 minute tart clear, 3 minute aspho clear

this is actually my fastest run ever

i'm not terribly fast yet lmao

[bronze forge]

whta do i do with my diamonds

i dont see any functional upgrades in the contractor menu

should i hold on to them for now?

[frank torrent]

sniper, point blank, or perfect shot?

none apply to my special

[mint coral]

Point or perfect

Relentless isnt even that good for rama special iirc

You still get 1 bolt on one enemy

[frank torrent]

just got rare crop on pressue points... 5% crit chance for free now pretty much

[rustic vale]

RIP

[frank torrent]

basically any other boon would've been better lmao

lost 2 DD's to asterius

13:09 exit from styx, this is my first build that's ever had sub 15 potential

[strong ridge]

Start with a beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

[mint coral]

Thats the build copypasta

[bronze forge]

reads like a decent guide until the last sentence

[ionic minnow]

Special go brr, attack go boom

That's the copypasta

[mint coral]

Anyways i found it

special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point

[strong ridge]

there it is!

one of the most influential critical works of hades!

[bronze forge]

lol

[ionic minnow]

"...fast hitting aspects like Gilgamesh" did RidiculousHat write this

[frank torrent]

see if i didn't know about this game i'd take that seriously

who allows you to access aspect of arthur?

it's my last hidden aspect

[strong ridge]

lots of people clear like 6 times and think they are bona fide gamerz

[frank torrent]

i'm at 35 clears now

so not too expert but enough to know that that's a joke

[strong ridge]

it wasnt but it became one

[frank torrent]

someone wrote that and actually meant it

wow

[latent moon]

nyx

[frank torrent]

oh

i probably don't have enough other aspects unlocked

[latent moon]

wait is it nyx lmao i dont remember

[strong ridge]

i have no clue

[latent moon]

it's in #h1-story-discussion pins anyways

[frank torrent]

ok yeah, i have a total of 3 blood invested into stygius

i'll put some more in after a lucifer run

[mint coral]

Ye

[frank torrent]

what's a good build for lucifer on that note

[latent moon]

same as eris basically

[mint coral]

Same as eris

[strong ridge]

its eris but less good

[frank torrent]

is it a zeus attack one?

[latent moon]

yeah

triple bomb best hammer

because you cant get clockets on luci

[mint coral]

Just get hazard bomv

[strong ridge]

eternal chamber is delta worse cousin

[mint coral]

[frank torrent]

em2 is all the heat i need on exagryph wow

so basically just do a zeus attack run

[latent moon]

yeah

the chain lightning pops the special bombs

or you can dash into them

[mint coral]

And slap tidal dash to help with the bombs

[latent moon]

if you have a damaging dash

[mint coral]

Isnt all the dashes luci can get a damaging one anyways

Unless nasty dash doesnt work

[latent moon]

oh right hunter dash doesnt exist on luci

yeah any dash then

nasty dash prob works

[frank torrent]

omfg i love the sound effects

[turbid mason]

im actually correct fym

[frank torrent]

triple beam, triple bomb, or targetting system?

[strong ridge]

target

triple

[high island]

Triple Bomb is by far the best Lucifer hammer.

[frank torrent]

cool

thanks

[latent moon]

aphrodite and rama both being bad?

[turbid mason]

yes

they're the worst

[latent moon]

that's like

quite the opposite

[strong ridge]

what is better

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/zVBrXwbsfZzJ

So close to getting that last achievement x_x

[turbid mason]

nyx

[turbid mason]

nah

[frank torrent]

all max keepsakes?

i've been slowly working towards that, but it takes a while

especially while trying to win

[brisk trail]

Definitely takes quite a few runs

[latent moon]

rama has cleared 60something heat iirc lmao

and aphrodite has the largest % modifier in the game

[brisk trail]

yeah exactly, it has to be on darkness farm runs

Not bounty runs

[mint coral]

Im surprised you dont have aphro bond

[frank torrent]

elysium is basically my best choice for leveling stuff up while still getting bounties on low heat

[mint coral]

Rng issue i assume?

[turbid mason]

nyx has cleared 61

[brisk trail]

It's only because I don't have Dusa bond

and im very very close to Dusa bond

[turbid mason]

nah nyx does

[old dawn]

you can choose to purposefully ignore others' opinions but that doesn't make you any correct

[mint coral]

Oops didnt see dusa keeosake lol

[gusty flame]

[turbid mason]

wouldnt you agree

[gusty flame]

yea

[brisk trail]

ive already gotten past the point where ||nyx fires dusa and she comes back||, I've just gotta get one or two more dialogs

[frank torrent]

ah yes nyx, my favourite olympian

[turbid mason]

nyx is bad

dreamybull is better tho ngl

[ionic minnow]

imagine fists with posiedon attack

[turbid mason]

u guys heard abt the new mythic dreamybull build

[ionic minnow]

No I haven't, what's a dreamybull?

[frank torrent]

i'm beginning to get slight troll vibes here

[turbid mason]

new build getting added

look it up on google

just search dreamybull it should come up

[ionic minnow]

hang on hang on how do I know this isn't to increase your engagement

[turbid mason]

what?

[ionic minnow]

I swear to god I will search dreamybull and your soundcloud will come up

[turbid mason]

its not my soundcloud bro

i aint desperate like that

[ionic minnow]

ok ill look up this

https://prnt.sc/Ljwrqc75Kd0r

My man it's just some GUY

[turbid mason]

whatttt???

look on twitter maybe

[latent moon]

homie what are you on

[turbid mason]

that zaza

[ionic minnow]

man where can i get the zaza

[turbid mason]

from dreamybull

[latent moon]

oh i just realized your name lmao

rerolling poms is based

[ionic minnow]

ayyy

[high island]

beta.character.ai has more coherent dialogue.

[turbid mason]

thats what i'm saying bro

[latent moon]

i never do it but it's based

[ionic minnow]

i gotta make sure them poms are good enuf for me

[latent moon]

the dude who talked about drug enhanced speedrunning was more coherent tbh

[nocturne elbow]

Manz theseus is suuuuuuch a bs fight

[mint coral]

I love rerolling poms then regretting it

[latent moon]

mood

[mint coral]

The what

[latent moon]

omg you werent there

it was amazing

[latent moon]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

my guy sardo

[bronze forge]

bl;ack shawl isnt 3 starred and its bothering me

[latent moon]

he doesnt talk about it immediately i think

but he gets there

and it's the best thing to have happened to this server

homie got banned

but it was funny

[frank torrent]

he really seems like he was on drugs ngl

[latent moon]

he really does

[turbid mason]

smoking that zaza

[mint coral]

Its 1:40 am why im reading this

[frank torrent]

i just love how the people talking to him tried to send him to a general speedrunning discord server

[ionic minnow]

This was an incredible read, thank you

[latent moon]

appropriate time to read that tbh

[latent moon]

we wanted to keep him around because it was funny

[frank torrent]

i'm genuienly happy i read that

[frank torrent]

gotta keep reading this absolute nonsense

[brisk trail]

that's an edgy reference

[latent moon]

oh idk how far you guys read

but he does come back a bit later

[brisk trail]

I def need to read more

idk if my brain can take it tho

[frank torrent]

how much later? from what i saw he left by talking about horseplay

[latent moon]

oh then that's it

[turbid mason]

really?

[brisk trail]

oh wow it doesn't even let you say it without the space

so you were just evading the filter

very cool

[latent moon]

filter evasion gaming

def legal

[brisk trail]

but yeah, using this as a way of saying "mind-blowing" is very disrespectful. A guy died, man.

I stg i feel like one of the only mfs with empathy left sometimes

[high island]

Performance enhancing drugs in speedrunning is a legit concern but also something we can't control for anyway, and there's no money to be made really anyway. Even the few events that we had that had money payout were like paying your dinner for that day maybe + a nice cup you can display in your room.

[latent moon]

bigp derby had some nice prizes iirc

there was a picture of a cow i think

[turbid mason]

i never said mind blowing

why would you even bring that up bro

[brisk trail]

whatever, I won't fight you on your intention after the fact

No reason to bring up the name in this server the first place. That's why it's in the filter, that you deliberately avoided.

[turbid mason]

OMG I EVADED THE FILTER!!!!!😱

[latent moon]

that isn't an accomplishment

[granite ether]

@turbid mason would you kindly not evade the swear filter, please and thankyou

[brisk trail]

[turbid mason]

My fault og

[mighty hornet]

can i get a flourish boon from chaos again if i got one already?

[prisma wind]

Yes

[mighty hornet]

alright, thx

[subtle sinew]

10 escapes in a row lets freaking gooo!

[rustic vale]

[ionic minnow]

nice! you get a little decathlete embellishment on the victory card* i like

[subtle sinew]

It said fisher king lol, i caught 4 fish, one in each area lol, except for the surface

It would have been my fastest time if i didnt get a 5 sack lmao

[chilly jasper]

is there a way i can take titans blood away from a skill thingy

[carmine wraith]

No

[chilly jasper]

sad

[carmine wraith]

Is it rng whether or not picking up a Zeus boon will give lucifer?

or am I miscounting and a maxed out eris isn't 5 rail levels

Oh it's actually also just 5 titans blood, so maxed should be plenty

[flat bloom]

yea its rng dialogue

[carmine wraith]

And this isn't like from using nectar right

I've gotten five Zeus boons and no unlock rip

[tired karma]

Only if u exit the game and enter again u can get titans back
If u spent them in same instance

[tired karma]

Someone from this server was kicked from his job because he skipped it to play hades 12-18 hours a day

He was obsessed to make a speedrun under 6 min and doing a 60 heat run

[gray apex]

I’m guessing he didnt do either

[old dawn]

even i'm not that addicted

[hardy spear]

yeah i only play 11-17 hours a day

[tall trench]

how do flying cutter and explosive upper interact?

[old dawn]

i asked the same a while ago and decided not to find out but i think they are separate

as in special vs dash upper

dont take my word for it tho

[tall trench]

Oh that makes sense, actually I believe that I have had those in the past now that you mention it and that they were separate

I forgot explosive was only on dash

Can't say 100% certain cause of memory, but I believe you're right

[high island]

That's correct. Flying Cutter is standing Special only. Explosive Upper is Dash-Special only.

If you're using Demeter Aspect and have a Giga-Cutter charged that you want to use with Flying Cutter, you have to make sure you don't dash before you hold Special because otherwise you'll waste your Giga-Cutter on a Dash-Special before you start charging your Flying Cutter.

[tired karma]

This game even has Giga Chad Cutter

[vital spade]

This game even has ur mom

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Persephone?file=Persephone_Portrait.png

[half stump]

Hey guys, does someone owns Hades on Epic Store and also has MacBook?

[high island]

If you have a tech support question for running Hades on Mac, just ask in #h1-tech-support.

[hardy spear]

a moment of appreciation for swan in that channel

[rare crater]

is the maximum number of daedalus hammers obtainable 2?

per run

[tired karma]

Yes

[gray apex]

3 if you count the anvil

[rare crater]

well yea ig

[tired karma]

It's too risky though
Tried only once and it was a big regret
Died to dad cuz of it

[rare crater]

yea i also think its risky

but oh well

whats savescum?

[tired karma]

Imagine having cluster bomb + rocket bomb but still using anvil

Gigachad move

[rare crater]

also

[warm shoal]

how do i submit a speedrun if im on switch

[rare crater]

chaos gate is unable to spawn in any areas of temple of styx right?

[tired karma]

Correct

[hardy spear]

im pretty sure the submission criteria would be on speedrun.com

[tired karma]

How stressed are u when u try to do a speedrun record

[raw herald]

I try to be as chilled out as i can

But ive never set a world record tho

[brisk trail]

💀

[vital spade]

[gray apex]

You cant do that

Once you buy the anvil you cant quitout

[hardy spear]

yes you definetly can

i misclicked it yesterday

[glossy harbor]

is the dev of the game online?

[hardy spear]

which one and why

[glossy harbor]

i just wanna say that i love they game and i love dusa

that's all

[hardy spear]

i don't know how they feel about getting discord pings

ive seen them reply to twitter @'s pretty often tho

[glossy harbor]

alright, ill just go on twitter then

[gray apex]

That's odd

Maybe anvil is an exception

When you buy stuff from a shop you cant quitout

[hardy spear]

yeah true

maybe its because thats a selection

[vital spade]

Is there any OP build focusing on lob

I mean your B attack not lob

[hardy spear]

cast?

[vital spade]

Ya that

[hardy spear]

hunting blades is pretty cool i guess

[vital spade]

I wish there were more boons

[hardy spear]

there's so many

[vital spade]

Nah

[hardy spear]

[vital spade]

You see em all quick

[rustic vale]

Turn off dark foresight

[vital spade]

Why would I do that

[strong ridge]

to see the boons not as quick

[willow wedge]

To get less boons haha

(dont do that)

[strong ridge]

do dat

[thorny mirage]

almost any cast boon can become “OP”

[north shell]

hunting blades😍

[vital spade]

[strong ridge]

trippy shoot

[vital spade]

Dionysus? More like diomiss us with those bad boons

[north shell]

dio is actually pretty good though

[vital spade]

A lot of his stuff seems health based or status effects

Wouldn’t those be kinda meh for high lvl

Hermes seem rely good cuz u get stuff like +2 dashes which is amazing cuz dash is op in this game

[craggy wren]

Ayo! What's the best keepstake to use? I'm currently on my attempt 17 and closest I've went is killing the spear dude Artekjhsaldkjfhsajhfalskf something. But the mino kills me. Reached that stage 4 times now I think. I upgraded my gun a few times, so I think I'm gonna be stuck w it for some time. Love playing spear and fists too.

[north shell]

well for keepsakes you wanna do god 1 keepsake > god 2 keepsake > acorn for both elysium and styx

i sometimes take a god keepsake for elysium as well just in case i don't have all the boons i need

[vital spade]

I just take the 30%+ to distant enemies one for every zone 💀 chad spear users unite

[north shell]

also if you like spear, try using a hunting blades build using the achilles aspect

it's fun

[vital spade]

[north shell]

it's also like almost impossible to lose with that build

long as you use your dashes properly

[vital spade]

Exploding launcher+skewer is instant run win lol

I’ve only lost to hades once and I’m at 16 heat and I lost cuz I picked guan yu

[strange crystal]

I beat theseus and asterius, but only once, I was running a dio ares build

Hangover goes nuts

[craggy wren]

bro you are right, idk why I never thought abt switching keepsakes every region

[thorny mirage]

I mean the god keepsakes become useless after a single use anyways

[craggy wren]

but damn I think I need the acorn by the time I finish the 2nd region cos I have a hard time with Asterius and Theseus

[strange crystal]

The increase in rarity is nice, but not worth not switching if its maxed, yea

[thorny mirage]

just put on god’s pride and still get common boons

[vital spade]

Stay far away from Theseus and just go for the bull if u haven’t tried that

Then Theseus alone is ez

[ionic minnow]

WHACK or CHAD: Gilgamesh mains

[vital spade]

Non spear user = whack

[strange crystal]

Spear is fun, but I really like coronacht

[craggy wren]

goddamn, I thought the Theseus was the minotaur tbh

I always go for the spear dude first

[ionic minnow]

bold words for this channel, ive come across a few spear haters

[strange crystal]

I'm a sword hater myself

[craggy wren]

Not sure if I've unlocked this already tbh, which one is this?

[thorny mirage]

It’s lower on the mirror of night so probably not if you just started

[ionic minnow]

Personally I was a sword hater until I started using Arthur

Arthur is the only usable sword for me

[vital spade]

Ur doing it backwards lol. Go for bull and stay far away from the dude until bull is dead it’ll b much easier

[thorny mirage]

also I’d say that killing theseus first makes it much harder

[craggy wren]

Yup I'll try this out

[thorny mirage]

Since his phase two has a lot more nonsense on the screen

[strange crystal]

I have fun with Nemesis Artemis builds

[thorny mirage]

Sword is quite shrimple honestly

[vital spade]

Also Theseus is mostly stationary. If you fight bull far away it’s almost like fighting 1 vs 1 boss with just the occasional need to dodge an arrow

[thorny mirage]

poseidon sword is pretty intuitive to use

[strange crystal]

I haven't built up much titan blood so I'm missing a lot of weap forms

[craggy wren]

btw, I kinda spoiled myself and saw that there's just || 4 regions? || (am I right) and only the first boss on each wep's first attempt give the weapon upgrade thing. Where do I get more of that?

ok wait titan blood is the right name

[ionic minnow]

You have to beat the 4 regions first (specifically, the boss at the end of the 4th region)

with at least one weapon

Then it will unlock a mechanic called ||heat|| which will allow you to collect more with weapons by clearing slightly and specifically harder versions of the underworld on those weapons

[strong ridge]

its just worse achilles which is just worse beo

[vital spade]

Yeah there’s only 4 regions and sadly post game doesn’t really add much new content. It’s my major gripe with the game. Mostly just modifiers are added to make the 4 lvls harder

[strange crystal]

Its also sold in the shop for a lot of resources, so this is the better method imo, rather than the shop

[thorny mirage]

Not really no

[strong ridge]

yea

[ionic minnow]

TBH for a lot of people, heat is when the game starts

[thorny mirage]

no!

[vital spade]

I know I do like the game but only 4 regions and heat doesn’t really shake up those 4 regions in a significant way. Just linear difficulty increases. Love the game but wish there was more post game things to shake it up

[thorny mirage]

EZ dislodges for infernal soul

[craggy wren]

How many attempts did y'all take for ur first clear?

[strong ridge]

dislodge is tickler

[ionic minnow]

A respectable opinion, but personally I don't find heat linear nor insignificant

[thorny mirage]

my first run through it was like 35-40

[vital spade]

Took me 18

[thorny mirage]

currently it was like

10

[craggy wren]

bro I'm at 17..

[ionic minnow]

Heat is not linear because when you add a heat, how much more difficulty is added depends on how many heats you already put in

[raw herald]

If you don’t like the repetitive nature of the 4 biomes, you don’t have to play them

[thorny mirage]

idk man by your criticism most rogues aren’t for you

[vital spade]

The last zone can actually b pretty easy if u get lucky. I died like 4 times to beat the third boss but beat the final boss first try

[ionic minnow]

For instance, EM4 alone is scary, and adding it to 0 heat is scary. However, adding EM4 to FO2, HL5, and CP+100%hp? You just added WAY more difficulty than adding EM4 to 0 heat

So please don't call heat linear, it's not

[strong ridge]

heat compounds on itself

[ionic minnow]

^

[vital spade]

Nah it is the game just could use more content. It’s worth the 20$ but it still feels like a 20$ game content wise. If we got new zones enemies boons etc etc etc post game or just more depth overall I’d probly sink hundreds of hours instead of a few dozen

But that’s what hades 2 is for ig

[strong ridge]

especially towards the latter 20 heats the jumps are just ridiculous

[raw herald]

Looks like hades 2 is for you

[ionic minnow]

I also gotta be real with you stone, you're the only one I've seen in this channel repeatedly mention how you think the game is overhyped and overliked

but maybe i just havent been around long enough

[strong ridge]

dunningkrueger

[vital spade]

I’m surprised not more agree the game is lacking content. I’ve said over and over I like the game but in the end there’s still only 4 lvls even when u get 57 heat ur still doing the same 4 lvls with the same enemies as the first clear

[ionic minnow]

I do agree with this btw. I find Styx easier than Ely a lot of the time, and I think that has something to do with how your build is fully fully fully online by Styx

[ionic minnow]

"even when u get 57 heat" see this is where you need to actually attempt 57 heat

[strange crystal]

The appeal is in the characters and variety in playstyles imo

[strong ridge]

bp2 hades summons are exactly like the 0 heat summons its completely true

[strange crystal]

Rather than the length

[ionic minnow]

Oh yeah, there's over 19,000 voiced lines of dialog in Hades, did you know that?

[thorny mirage]

yeah the enemies don’t get harder

[vital spade]

Ye true. And the amount of dialogue is nuts

[ionic minnow]

There's so much unique dialog based on what you did or are doing, and often times its completely unexpected

[thorny mirage]

they don’t have additional quirks that make them more difficult to deal with

[vital spade]

I just wish the gameplay had more breadth. More levels enemies etc

[strong ridge]

they do

[thorny mirage]

/s

[vital spade]

A lot of the heat is kind of just linear difficulty spike like you take more damage and fight spongier enemies

[raw herald]

(It’s not linear)

[thorny mirage]

how much heat have you actually done

[strong ridge]

i dont think that word means what you think it means

[thorny mirage]

You talk like someone who is barely dipping into it

[ionic minnow]

Please refer to this as to why it's not linear. In both situations, you add 10 heat, but in one you add way more difficulty. Therefore it's not linear

[vital spade]

I mean I can see every heat option so I know what heats there are. Unless new ones get added?

[thorny mirage]

Especially with the 57 heat comment

[strange crystal]

I NEVER GAVE SISYPHUS A NECTAR?? I must correct this, I may be relatively new, but this is ridiculous

[ionic minnow]

Also why only 57?? IT goes up to 63, or 64 if you're a gamer

[strong ridge]

65 if you really know

[ionic minnow]

Wait 65??? 64 was including PL on hell mode?

[raw herald]

64 is the max

[ionic minnow]

What's the 65th

[strong ridge]

no i made it up

[thorny mirage]

me when I perpetuate falsehoods

[ionic minnow]

oh okay you got me, I was ready for the secret 100% god mode heat or something xD

[strange crystal]

Me spreading misinfo on the internet

[vital spade]

My beef with the heats is most of them don’t really change the gameplay itself it’s more like just ways to make the run more frustrating or the numbers against you. Like you have to pay more coins for items, you take more damage, fight spongier enemies, have to toss out boons to go to new zone, etc etc

[thorny mirage]

that…does change the gameplay??

[ionic minnow]

That's what changing the gameplay is

[thorny mirage]

It changes the way you interact with enemies and the game

[strange crystal]

Yea, thats a gameplay change

[strong ridge]

what do you think it should be instead

[strange crystal]

Do you want new mechanics and enemy modifiers?

[raw herald]

I can’t say for others but I’m fairly sure they’re the same, but the reason I continue to play hades, whether it be heat or speedrunning, is because I find the combat and progression really fun and want to challenge myself using the combat. I don’t need any additional story or biomes

[vital spade]

What I mean is they aren’t interesting changes that really change the 4 levels if that makes sense. You’re still playing the same 4 levels with same enemies. Just now more frustrating

[strange crystal]

Based

[ionic minnow]

If you mean "why didn't they add 8 more floors going out of Greece, through the sky, and all the way up to Olympus" the answer is because even then, people like you wouldn't be satisfied and would be like "uhh why didnt they make the floors go past Olympus into the ascended cosmic zones with cosmic enemies"

[strong ridge]

what do you think it should be instead

[raw herald]

If you don’t find the combat satisfying enough or whatever, that’s fine

[raw herald]

And by this comment here it kinda looks like you don’t

[ionic minnow]

They chose an amount of floors that worked for their design sense

There will always be people wondering why they "didn't do more", the same way people wonder why they didn't try harder while coding Minecraft doesn't really mean the game needs criticism for it

"Why didn't they include Silksong as part of Hollow Knight smh"

[raw herald]

More floors also has a consequence of making runs take way longer lol

[strange crystal]

I never gave skelly his juice either..... I'm an awful friend

[ionic minnow]

"Why didn't they include God of War Ragnarok as part of God of War 2018 smh"

[raw herald]

It already takes casuals like 45 minutes rta for a single run

[ionic minnow]

This is how you sound to me

If you want new zones, Hades 2 is coming

[thorny mirage]

That’s literally how every roguelike is though??

[strange crystal]

I feel like any more than 4 floors just would make the runs too long, esp since there are only so many regions of the underworld in mythology

[thorny mirage]

Most don’t add new zones after beating them?

[strong ridge]

hold on let him cook

[ionic minnow]

I mean, there is binding of isaac, but that's not the point

[thorny mirage]

binding of isaac is also like

[strange crystal]

Isaac players are spoiled /j

[ionic minnow]

The point is the amount of rooms in a roguelike doesn't really matter when it fits the design for that roguelike really well

[thorny mirage]

15 billion dlcs

I mean it’s nice to have new criticism for the game but it feels a bit limp

[vital spade]

I’m not a game designer but I could think of just some examples. Heat that adds new enemy types, new zones that have a chance to replace another, or an additional boss, or increase the game speed a certain percentage, or more environmental hazards, or a new god that gives curses instead of boons, or gives you an extra dash but makes your second dash non invincible, or new enemy attack patterns besides just the bosses, or new items, or a heat that turns auto seek enemy off, or many other things one could think of besides “you take 25% more damage” or something

[ionic minnow]

half of the things you said there are practically already in the game

[vital spade]

No they aren’t

[thorny mirage]

Forced Overtime is literally a heat thing

[ionic minnow]

"Heat that adds new enemy types" - Basically, Benefits Package. "An additional boss" - Basically, Charon. "A new god that gives curses instead of boons" - Have you heard of chaos?

[thorny mirage]

The speed thing you me tioned

[vital spade]

I said nothing about forced overtime lmao

[thorny mirage]

You said game speed

[ionic minnow]

Also "heat that turns auto seek enemy off" would not work because aim assist is literally a control setting??

[vital spade]

Which...is not a timer? Derp

[thorny mirage]

Tight Deadline????

[vital spade]

R u dumb or something. How is + game speed and a timer the same thing

[strong ridge]

u must be trolling

[ionic minnow]

Bro it's one or the other

[thorny mirage]

dude you said game speed

[ionic minnow]

Either you mean Forced Overtime, your mean Tight Deadline

[strong ridge]

there is no other way

[thorny mirage]

And then you changed it to timer???

[ionic minnow]

Which the hell is it

[thorny mirage]

Both of which are already in the game

As heat options

[void vigil]

forced overtime makes the enemies faster = game speed, tight deadline adds a timer

[vital spade]

Do you not know what game speed is? A timer doesn’t increase the game speed. Maybe y’all r just dumb ig

[thorny mirage]

FORCED OVERTIME

[strong ridge]

almost every single thing you mentioned is already in the game come back when you have more than 5 hours

[mint hatch]

Less enemies? less rooms?

[ionic minnow]

Do you not know what forced overtime is? Maybe you r just dumb ig

[willow wedge]

You've been nothing buy annoyingly negative for a while. Relax.

[raw herald]

Forced overtime does

[void vigil]

also, please refrain from insulting each other and keep it civil, thanks 👍

[raw herald]

Also most of these are really time consuming lol

New biomes especially

[ionic minnow]

I'll keep it civil, civil as the CIVIL WAR roar /s

[thorny mirage]

More environmental hazards don’t really need to be a heat thing

[strong ridge]

hs anyway

[thorny mirage]

That’s not something that needs to be a thing?

[vital spade]

It increases enemy attack speed not the overall game speed. Also no the things I listed are relevant but not the same. Like +400% damage to traps is not same as new traps. In the end you’re still playing the same 4 levels with very linear post game tweaks

[thorny mirage]

There are plenty in the game and they already do a lot

[willow wedge]

Buddy, they spawn in faster

[mint hatch]

A game isn't a video player

[vital spade]

Ppl just hate their game to be criticized cuz it’s so perfect

[thorny mirage]

every speedrun puts on forced overtime because it makes spawns faster and enemies faster

[raw herald]

Most of us here actually like the same 4 levels

[ionic minnow]

Oh yeah that's totally it, and not the 0 sense you've been making with each individual point...

It's definitely our bias

[thorny mirage]

Dude your criticism is either invalif

Or already in the game

[strange crystal]

Enemy attack speed influences how fast you the player have to react, which is what you were describing earlier???
Be more specific or just take the L on this?

[thorny mirage]

And you’re complaining just to complain

[strong ridge]

please go to google and look up what linear means and look up what compounding means this will be a big upgrade to your vocabulary

[thorny mirage]

Actual criticism is fine dawg

[ionic minnow]

I'm still not over that he described chaos and said it wasn't in the game

[thorny mirage]

It’s just the criticism you’ve been giving is not in good faith

[willow wedge]

Guy comes in, calls everyone dumb, gives incorrect information, starts a fight, and complains that he is criticizing the game

[void vigil]

im confused at what game speed means if its not a timer or enemies attacking faster, though, how else could the game be sped up. less biomes?

[strong ridge]

its literally a nothingburger

[thorny mirage]

Wait they want less biomes????

Earlier they said they wanted more???

[void vigil]

no im just speculating

[thorny mirage]

ohhh

IG they want

[willow wedge]

He also complained about there being too little boons, idk if he wants a longer or shorter game?

[thorny mirage]

Everything in the game to be faster???

[gray apex]

Zag could be sped up technically

[thorny mirage]

like including Zag himself

But like

[ionic minnow]

Maybe they mean they want the game to speed up time IRL by 20% in an Aura around the computer so that their FPS is faster with the heat?

[thorny mirage]

Why would a heat option buff zagreus

[strange crystal]

There are only so many ways to speed up a game, and from what I hear Supergiant did a great job covering the options in Heat levels

[raw herald]

Zag sword

[gray apex]

[ionic minnow]

Oh and if too little boons are an issue there are mods like OlympusExtra which add Hestia and Apollo and their respective boon pools and mechanics

[strange crystal]

I'm personally not that far in to know anything about heat

[ionic minnow]

They're gonna be adding Hera and Heph too

[thorny mirage]

I don’t think that the boon pool is even that small

it’s not exorbitantly large sure

But it has many synergies

[ionic minnow]

Also this isn't even mentioning that some people DO NOT WANT more gods, because of how it would affect the game's consistency

[willow wedge]

The boon number is completely fine lol, what next, an artemis boon that makes Zag caked up?

[ionic minnow]

Any given build you want will be more difficult to attain when you're looking for a needle god in a pool of haystack gods

[strange crystal]

To 1 or 2?
Would Hades 1 be getting updates like that still with 2 in development even?

[strong ridge]

maybe i am negative for this one but it feels to me stone doesnt like heat since its too hard and feels the boon pool is repetitive because they only use like one thing

[ionic minnow]

that would be an aphrodite boon lol

[thorny mirage]

perhaps

[ionic minnow]

I'm referring to a mod for 1 called OlympusExtra

[willow wedge]

Ya i meant aphro, i mix em up all the time

[thorny mirage]

Aspects alone add like

Several new build ideas

[strange crystal]

Ooooh, I play on Switch, so I dont mod mine
TY for clarifying

[ionic minnow]

ahhh yeah, I think mods are PC only

np np

[strange crystal]

I cant get Zeus to show up, I forgot to give him his sunny d and want to summon him

[strong ridge]

rng

[willow wedge]

He'll show up eventually

[strange crystal]

I keep getting Aphrodite no problem though lmao

[thorny mirage]

I want to know in what world is removing iframes on certain dashes a good thing, or locking new areas behind heat

[thorny mirage]

I wonder what nectar tastes like actually

[ionic minnow]

Can someone who isn't a god of trash please explain why Aspect of Hades does not work for high heat?

[strong ridge]

personal liability and erebus already function 80% similarly

[strange crystal]

Also, is Weak from Aphrodite not very good late game?
It seems like it would fall off later

[raw herald]

Low dps and reliance on specific hammers

[ionic minnow]

It's kinda always good imo

[willow wedge]

Guy wants a different game lol

[thorny mirage]

oh I don’t take aphro for weak

[strong ridge]

aprho is still good bc big % but yea weak falls off

[thorny mirage]

i take her for her solid duos and big numbers

[willow wedge]

I dont take her bc im no simp

[strange crystal]

Her and dionysus are so good, getting hangover stacked to like, +8 goes nuts

[ionic minnow]

solid duos that aren't cold embrace*

[thorny mirage]

Nyaanyaa will feed you to the crocs

[gray apex]

Weak never falls off

You're either not putting it on the right stuff or not playing well enough

[ionic minnow]

Cold Embrace is a scam

[strong ridge]

falls off isnt exactly true hits get way more punishing

[gray apex]

That makes it better

[strange crystal]

Cold embrace? Is that demeter? Is she one I can get boons from?

[thorny mirage]

Demeter and Aphrodite duo

[strange crystal]

I haven't met her yet

[thorny mirage]

Makes meme beams target zag

[strong ridge]

sure but ultimately you still get like 5 shot from big hits

[ionic minnow]

Oh yeah, you have to unlock Demeter

She's the only god you have to unlock

[thorny mirage]

it’s worse than clarity but it still works

just get good

[ionic minnow]

You unlock her by ||reaching the surface once.|| Beating the boss there is not required for Dem to start saying hi

[strange crystal]

Oooooh

[willow wedge]

When i get demeter she's bad, when Thesius summons Demeter she's a nuclear weapon

[strange crystal]

I got to the part with the vermin and cerb and died before doing the task

[mint coral]

Dem trial do be scary

[strong ridge]

i run for the hills

[ionic minnow]

Yeah, I don't know if you want specifics, but you are very close to the surface

So just keep on keepin on!

[strange crystal]

[gray apex]

It is very substantial damage reduction, nothing to just casually ignore. If 5 hits normally kill you, they likely wont with Weak, you can even scale it with other sources like Sturdy or Broken Resolve

[thorny mirage]

I like demeter when I’m not using any of her core boons

[strange crystal]

Also I can't use ambrosia on Aphrodite?

[thorny mirage]

Can’t use ambrosia on anyone unless you do their Favor

[strange crystal]

Oooh

[thorny mirage]

basically do you have codex

at one point you can’t give any more nectar to the god

and there’s a locked heart

[strange crystal]

Wack, I can't get her blown kiss to spawn

[strange crystal]

I'm there for her

[thorny mirage]

certain things need to be done to give ambrosia

for aphro I think it’s getting relationshops

[mint coral]

Blown kiss moment

[ionic minnow]

Aphro is usually the last god you can give an ambrosia to on any given save file

[strange crystal]

I think I need to meet thana

[thorny mirage]

You need to do the relationship with than meg and dusa I think

[strange crystal]

||Thana Meg and Dusa I think?||

[ionic minnow]

Yep, you need a bond forged (max hearts) with all 3

[strange crystal]

Yea

[thorny mirage]

Which takes a while

[strong ridge]

all of this is true and the % is still more important to me

[strange crystal]

Oop

Holy cow

[thorny mirage]

Zoinks

[strange crystal]

Thats so much nectar

[ionic minnow]

and ambrosia xD

[mint coral]

Mine was Hermes lol

[thorny mirage]

Same

[mint coral]

Due to being lazy and never using his keepsake

Tho i think aphro was close second

[ionic minnow]

True, you do need to have lambent equipped and 3 stars to unlock hermes favor

Some people never use the keepsake

[strange crystal]

Thats like, 36 nectar?

[mint coral]

First one was prob arte (for the gods)

[thorny mirage]

on my current playthrough it was zeus

[mint coral]

First in general was charon

[thorny mirage]

Dude will not leave me alone

[ionic minnow]

Did anyone else keep gifting charon hoping it would make him lower his rates

[strange crystal]

I did the math, Aphro needs 24 Nectar and 4 Ambrosia

Wack

Worth

[thorny mirage]

Your math is off

[strange crystal]

Is it?

[ionic minnow]

Yeah, idk about nectar but it's def more than 4 ambrosia

[strange crystal]

Is it??

[thorny mirage]

Relationsips require

4 ambrosia each

[ionic minnow]

Dusa herself takes like 10 (though she can give it back to you)

[strange crystal]

OH

[thorny mirage]

I think

[mint coral]

Nah but i bribed the gods jokingly so they gave me duos

[thorny mirage]

Oh yeah and dusa is 10

[strange crystal]

Oh so this game is way longer than I thought

[thorny mirage]

So you need like 18 ambrosia

[brisk trail]

Yeah, game is long

[mint coral]

Bonds probably take the longest

[strange crystal]

Why was that guy complaining? I already got so many hours, and I dont see myself getting near completion for a long while

[mint coral]

And im ignoring ranks on purpose

[strange crystal]

I can see the loop getting stale, but its not short by any means

[brisk trail]

Some people just complain to complain, or simply don't like roguelites

Yeah the loop may eventually get stale, but even then it's something you can do a run now and then and come back to between games quite easily

[mint coral]

Can confirm that, came back after months just to finish some things i wanted to do

[brisk trail]

I'm weird in that personally I have 2-3 games pulled up in parallel at any given time. Currently it's Hades, God of War 2018, and Soulcalibur VI, all launched and running

and my absolutely screwed attention span has me tabbing between the 3 lol

[raw herald]

Been playing for 2 years with no real breaks

This game ain’t stale yet

[brisk trail]

not joking btw https://prnt.sc/05TEmzaJarl3

[thorny mirage]

I have the most mid zeus squared run right now

[mint coral]

I think i might start a new save soon tbh

[brisk trail]

Did u get aphro attack?

[brisk trail]

Hell mode! Hell mode! Hell mode!

[strange crystal]

Same but Destiny 2, Hades, and Pokémon Violet

[mint coral]

My file is getting to 1000 runs nearly and is lagging so hard lol

[thorny mirage]

Aphro hated me so no

[mint coral]

I dont wanna touch high heat in a while so nah