You can completely destroy regular enemies if you get good at wall slams.
#h1-discussion
peak carbon
Fully charged tidal dash is honestly amazing
One bar of tidal dash is kind of mediocre but I guess if you coupled it with the duo boon that lets you regenerate your call really fast but limits it to only one bar it would be pretty good
carmine cloak
Tidal dash is just the dash.
Poseidon's Aid is ok but it stops you from using your normal attacks.
Rip Current (gives a suction effect to the call) is very good tho.
As for Demeter, chill is good and no one will convince me otherwise.
peak carbon
Tidal dash is just the dash.
Whoops
peak carbon
As for Demeter, chill is good and no one will convince me otherwise.
Chill is good without decay but when it has decay too it's rly good
peak carbon
Rip Current (gives a suction effect to the call) is very good tho.
I never got rip current much sadly
carmine cloak
So is there anybody who knows about the routing for FFTC? I'm watching this video and I wonder why the first run is done to completion but is then followed by a string of self deaths.
mint coral
Rip
carmine cloak
Good place to roll for a Lego I guess.
carmine cloak
So if I decide to take blade dash, should I invest in making it stronger?
high island
Put some poms on it, yeah.
north shell
anything wrong with asking in more than 1 though?
high island
Yeah.
gray apex
high island
It also comes off as quite arrogant tbh. 
brazen aspen
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1057671455757832273/image.png
i'm going chiron (dio, aphro, ares, arty), what's decent here?
high island
Triple Shot is great.
north shell
It also comes off as quite arrogant tbh. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
if you say so
i don't see how it would but whatever, i apologize
brazen aspen
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1057674317925720140/image.png
i like how zag can beat king of the underworld, but dies to a mountain goat
high island
Intense power scaling.
brazen aspen
does fo2 cause enemies to spawn faster than fo1?
high island
Yes.
ionic minnow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1057671455757832273/...
Flurry shot also good btw
ionic minnow
i don't see how it would but whatever, i apologize
Tbh me neither, multi-asking seems more desperate than arrogant to me but it's w/e
north shell
yeah
thorny mirage
i don't see how it would but whatever, i apologize
She’s messing w/ you
high island
I am not.
thorny mirage
Shaking and crying smh my head
brazen aspen
do erebus gates count as the first boon from keepsakes?
carmine cloak
i don't see how it would but whatever, i apologize
To explain a bit better, it comes off as if you are impatient for an answer and are being extra loud just to get one. This may not have been your intent, but in a medium such as this, how you are perceived matters.
Especially since there is no point to it other than to annoy. You may think there is a point but you'd be mistaken.
north shell
well that's just impatience, desperation at worst, but in no way arrogance the way i see it
anyhow, could we just move on from this subject?
carmine cloak
I'm just trying to explain why you should avoid such things in the future, I mean no offense.
north shell
in no way i took it as an offense, i'd just like to move on from it
raw herald
Yeah it’s super annoying
carmine cloak
There are several jokes about the son of Hades dying to something incredibly mundane while exploring the surface.
tired karma
Do u think zagreus can beat kratos
strong ridge
no probably not
brazen aspen
debating between bad influence and strong drink, running chiron with hangover flourish
manic kraken
ooo
well id say bad influence bc strong drink prob is max +20%
brazen aspen
i am in the first lvl so its gonna be 20-25 at the end
peak carbon
Do y'all know when you can give Hades more nectar or ambrosia
high island
do erebus gates count as the first boon from keepsakes?
Yes.
carmine cloak
It's not that bad.
high island
Does Chaos count towards family favorite?
No.
brisk trail
How do I build Poseidon sword?
brazen aspen
that doesn't sound good ...
high island
How do I build Poseidon sword?
Here's a general Cast build guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
brazen aspen
what are hades' damage caps?
i think he has 2 in phase 1 and 1 in phase 2 or something?
i need to know to time the artemis call
its not terrible.. its 2k damage with a pom on it
how does aspect of hera work with triple shot?
also would u go hammer or chaos gate
prolly chaos for aspect of hera's casts, right?
high island
i think he has 2 in phase 1 and 1 in phase 2 or something?
66% and 33% in phase 1. 50% in phase 2.
high island
prolly chaos for aspect of hera's casts, right?
Chaos Gate.
thorny mirage
how does aspect of hera work with triple shot?
The casts only go to the center arrow iirc
high island
The Casts will fire from the arrow in the middle if you have Triple Shot.
thorny mirage
I’m so smart
thorny mirage
Do u think zagreus can beat kratos
Kratos violates Zagreus
brazen aspen
posiedon or hermes? going aspect of hera with arty cast and i really want mirage shot..
high island
quick recovery or greater reflex
Greatest Reflex 10/10 times.
high island
If you happen to dash after taking damage, yes.
Epic Greatest Reflex is a contender for single best boon in the game. Quick Recovery is not in the conversation.
brazen aspen
no that'd have to be crush shot
thorny mirage
ok and
That’s if Zag has stubborn roots, and he has passive healing he can force regardless
And Kratos is just
Too strong 
He can also just rip the shield out of his hand with his superior strength
Or go behind him
Yeah cuz he can’t just
Take zag out of the corner
Clearly
mald
high island
Smoldering Air on its own doesn't do anything, so can't really compare the two. Different categories.
Tidal Dash would be a contender in runs that have two dashes.
But Greatest Reflex is amazing in virtually any situation.
I can't think of any other boon that has as much impact on a run all on its own tbh.
Turns 32 mirrorless from stressful into basically just any heat.
rustic vale
I can't think of any other boon that has as much impact on a run all on its own ...
Bouldy boons
peak carbon
He can
Kratos has "limitless strength" according to the GoW devs
He can just punch a hole through the shield
Well yeah
That's the point of one punch man
rustic vale
Can One Punch Man 1v1 Kratos?
peak carbon
He can literally beat anybody
Point of kratos is not rooted in fighting
It's rooted in how unfairly he's been treated by arrogant gods
manic kraken
wait why smair
wild dagger
if i do the more enemies pact will there be more money too ?
peak carbon
So he can break mountains
That's the strongest punch I could find him capable of doing. I think he flipped a temple at some point?
wild dagger
yea he did more a temple
peak carbon
The whole point of Zagreus is that he's an underdog, and Kratos is a God killer. It's uneven on paper and that's just to be expected
wild dagger
heard it's heavier or as heavy as igdrasil or something
peak carbon
When did he flip the temple?
wild dagger
idk since i didnt play the game , only read it in a comment
high island
wait why smair
100% uptime for Second Wind.
peak carbon
Cos if it was in the first 7 games, no way that you can feasibly say "it's heavier than Yggdrasil" cos Yggdrasil is literally holding that temple on one of it's branches
Unless someone in god of war said "it's as heavy as Yggdrasil" I doubt it was but idk
rustic vale
wait why smair
Infinite swind uptime
high island
"It don't matter how hard he hits if he can't find nothing to hit."—Muhammad Ali
peak carbon
I'm sure kratos could hit Zagreus in base form
If we are talking boons, keepsakes etc. then Zagreus has a lot more chance to just not be hit
wild dagger
pog
manic kraken
can’t wait for zag to “float like a butterfly, sting like a bee”
wild dagger
also will i be able to fight all 3 sisters at the same time ?
lessssssssss gooooooooooo
oh
so they wont come in ?
damn
that's sad
would be cool if i could fight them
peak carbon
Neither is completely buffed zag vs kratos
high island
Let's assume Kratos manages to hit Zag and kills him in one shot. Kratos then gets hit by revenge boons and dies. Then Zagreus defies death and still has 2 more DDs. Then Charon takes all of Kratos's lunch money.
rustic vale
That seems like a fair assumption
peak carbon
I think everyone is very skewed towards favoring Zagreus, for obvious reasons
wild dagger
how much hp does kratos have
peak carbon
If he had boons, keepsakes and the like kratos has no chance
peak carbon
If it was a base playing field with no weapons or boons kratos would win
wild dagger
if the revenge deals like 200 damage
idk how much really
peak carbon
I have lost the ability to think this thru more
carmine cloak
Zeus shield is difficult for me.
high island
But why would Zagreus fight without his family powers, that would make no sense for him. 
peak carbon
It doesn't make sense they'd be fighting at all
carmine cloak
Why is this conversation?
peak carbon
Dunno
wild dagger
always fun to match 2 characters that seem similar
rustic vale
Kratos fighting zag boonless and weaponless is just kratos fighting an ordinary human
peak carbon
It doesn't make sense they'd be fighting at all
Zagreus makes a point of not wanting to fight and Kratos also avoids fighting in the current games
high island
how much hp does kratos have
Max is something like 600 from what I found.
peak carbon
Kratos fighting zag boonless and weaponless is just kratos fighting an ordinary ...
Arguably
wild dagger
Max is something like 600 from what I found.
se he could tank the revenge
carmine cloak
Which two characters seem similar?
wild dagger
perhaps not the jolted
peak carbon
Kratos and Zagreus
strong ridge
zagreus needs eleventy boons to incapacitate a singular olympian
kratos has cleared the pantheon
wild dagger
zap then dodge till he dies
carmine cloak
Similar how?
rustic vale
Max is something like 600 from what I found.
Just put poms on heavens vengeance and jolted or curse of vengeance and impending doom and zag wins ez
strong ridge
i like zag but come on now
peak carbon
Similar how?
Don't know
wild dagger
ye . did kratos fight hades ?
peak carbon
They're both demigods?
peak carbon
ye . did kratos fight hades ?
Kratos demolished the god of war version of hades
Kratos has killed all the Greek pantheon
wild dagger
oh cool
peak carbon
He's killed half the Norse pantheon too at this point I think
carmine cloak
In a videogame.
peak carbon
Is hades not a videogame too?
wild dagger
ye
carmine cloak
Yea but a different one.
wild dagger
well i think zag would stand a chance if he had boons and all that
strong ridge
no
wild dagger
yep
strong ridge
no
carmine cloak
Kratos comes from a universe where all it takes to kill a god is to be sufficiently angry.
peak carbon
Kratos comes from a universe where all it takes to kill a god is to be sufficien...
Is that really all?
If that's all it takes an irate toddler could kill zeus
carmine cloak
What do you think Kratos is?
strong ridge
i’ve never played gow and i still think kratos wins ezpz given that he killed the whole pantheon
and zag (em4 is harder hades but i don’t think it is explicitly 100% hades) has still yet to dead one olympian
i think it’s fair to assume both pantheons are roughly equal in strength
wild dagger
If that's all it takes an irate toddler could kill zeus
make him seggs you then break his unknowing pepe
i think my strategy works
carmine cloak
Dude cheats at war and throws a fit when the guy who helped him cheat screws him over.
wild dagger
would the boons work if the gods are dead ?
strong ridge
no
wild dagger
which god to take for special main on fist ?
got zeus but i could change and hope for better
carmine cloak
There's two things in this world that just kind of rub me the wrong way.
Cross fiction character matchups, and God of War.
peak carbon
If those are the only things that rub you the wrong way I'd love to live your life
It's just a conversation topic I don't see the harm in this
strong ridge
cross fiction is stupid when one characters lore is “can not lose” which kratos basically is
carmine cloak
I'm not telling anyone to stop. Although I do hope it ends soon. XD
wild dagger
cross fiction is stupid when one characters lore is “can not lose” which kratos ...
like one punch man
carmine cloak
One Punch Man's whole stick is that he is unbeatable and nobody else even comes close. That's the gag.
carmine cloak
If he were to lose to someone he wouldn't be who he is.
peak carbon
Opm debates are dumb cos he is never going to lose a single fight
Kratos has lost in canon I think
As strong as he is he's not invincible
carmine cloak
I mean he literally had to pray to Ares to avoid dying.
peak carbon
Yea so he's not invincible
wild dagger
lmao , did he kill ares after that tho
carmine cloak
Do you know how he defeated Ares?
rich horizon
obv the unbeatable squirrel girl could vanquish them all
wild dagger
obv the unbeatable squirrel girl could vanquish them all
real
carmine cloak
He defeated Ares with the power of a stupid mcguffin because the writers do not care about mythology.
Apparently, instead of containing all of the world's suffering, pandora's box just contains the power to grow giant.
rich horizon
doesn't it only have hope left inside of it?
is this pre- or post- Pandora opening the box?
carmine cloak
Pandora was a character back during humanity's origin story.
rich horizon
yes im aware
when is god of war set
has the box been opened? if so, it's hope that's been replaced with the power to grow giant, and not all the worlds suffering.
carmine cloak
GoW is set in the era where Greece is a thing.
Which is long after the dawn of humanity.
flint pollen
BTW, is there a guide or a video somewhere for optimal DPS attack patterns for all weapons?
I know the optimal pattern only for the sword
Well actually i do know it for the rail as well
But the others i'm clueless about
rich horizon
Which is long after the dawn of humanity.
okay so he used hope to grow giant. sorry, that was unnecessary detail, innaccuracies just bother me a lot.
carmine cloak
That "hope" sure is a cynical power then.
brazen aspen
is guan yu always revealed first?
peak carbon
Yes
wild dagger
That "hope" sure is a cynical power then.
hope that it will grow bigger
flint pollen
I'm especially struggling with doing like any damage whastoever with shield
How do you actually do damage with it?
carmine cloak
I prefer to just go off the idea that the GoW writers either don't know or don't care.
peak carbon
Wait so in the first god of war Pandora's box doesn't have hope?
That's so dumb
Way to take a dump over one of the best known myths of Greek mythology
carmine cloak
As far as I know pandora's box was never even supposed to be some grand artifact.
It was just a box.
Or a jar.
peak carbon
In myths or in god of war?
carmine cloak
In the myth.
peak carbon
It's just a regular box with emotions in myth
It's not ornate or anything it's just a box
carmine cloak
The point of the story was what was inside the box. People call it pandora's box because she's the one who was given the box.
peak carbon
The box is not important but the contents are
peak carbon
The point of the story was what was inside the box. People call it pandora's box...
Yea, exactly
Pandora doomed humanity by opening the box
And eventually this led to discord dot com being a thing, and then this conversation
Crazy
carmine cloak
Tbf, the gods deliberately made Pandora a big dumb.
And also really hot so the other humans would easily forgive her.
strong ridge
i see it as an allegory for how we naturally bring turmoil on ourselves
peak carbon
i see it as an allegory for how we naturally bring turmoil on ourselves
Personally I just see it in a similar way
I see it as "humans are selfish and we will always act on base impulses"
carmine cloak
Yeah it's just that Pandora was deliberately made to be that way.
Anway, Zeus Shield run was hard. Didn't win. 😦
peak carbon
Anway, Zeus Shield run was hard. Didn't win. 😦
It happens to the best of us
Zeus shield is tricky to use imo
north osprey
Got killed by hades yet again
My runs go smooth until i reach the Temple of nyx and loose all my revives to theseus
Before that
umbral parrot
🤔
latent moon
Anway, Zeus Shield run was hard. Didn't win. 😦
#h1-high-heat-strategies message
scuffed zeus shield guide by baj lmao
sly flame
Am I bad with a bow or is it just trash weapon?
latent moon
probably bad
you should always be dash striking with it
it charges faster, but deals a bit less damage
the faster charge makes it a lot less clunky to use
becomes a sort of rhythm game
brazen aspen
any aspects? tbf, base bow is kinda meh
latent moon
base bow is good lmao
it's only considered 3rd best because hera and rama are just extremely good at what they do
brazen aspen
is it??? the special is not very usable on base bow imo
sly flame
No aspects
latent moon
hera's special is also useless and yet it's great lmao
brazen aspen
but hera's aspect is just crazy good
sly flame
I only aquired 3 titan blood
carmine cloak
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/1057211835817...
I click the link but it leads to some other conversation.
latent moon
but hera's aspect is just crazy good
you dont use the special on zag bow because it's pointless
latent moon
I click the link but it leads to some other conversation.
yeah baj talks about how to use zeus shield there
he didn't make a doc for it
it's just there lmao
carmine cloak
No no
latent moon
No aspects
keep dash striking, ignore the special
sly flame
Special good against crowds
carmine cloak
There's nothing about Zeus shield when I click it.
latent moon
that whole thing is about zeus shield
keep reading down
he talks a lot about how to use it
sly flame
Special is that one on the Q button?
latent moon
yeah
carmine cloak
Oh it mentions the phrase Zeus shield once at the very beginning.
latent moon
on bow it makes a wide arc of 9 arrows
carmine cloak
That's why I was confused.
brazen aspen
Special is that one on the Q button?
not really worth using without aspect of chiron
latent moon
for bow at least
brazen aspen
just dash strike, maybe try for arty's hunter dash
latent moon
hidden bow too but not at that point yet
carmine cloak
It just talks about enemies and pacts, not really about how to use the shield, which is what had me confused.
carmine cloak
"the butterfly orbs are stationary, push enemies into them" idk how to visualize that.
latent moon
the standing shield atk has a built in knockback in it
so you just slap other enemies into the butterfly ball and throw out your special
rustic vale
Theres also this exemplary video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSW8rCZMo9g
latent moon
i'd recommend reading the stuff first tho
so when you see stuff come up in the video you'll understand it
carmine cloak
I united the family yay.
woeful jackal
You guys I don't think dad likes me very much
carmine cloak
Skill issue.
woeful jackal
social skill issue
carmine cloak
I got featured house servant.
woeful jackal
skill issue
carmine cloak
I'm a good boy now.
woeful jackal
I should probably stay away from this server if I want to avoid character interaction spoilers
shouldnt I?
Just had that realization
carmine cloak
#h1-for-new-players is a bit more spoiler safe, @woeful jackal
woeful jackal
much thanks
tacit ember
hey guys i have a question, how do people do runs without boons, doesnt the game force you to take the boon befor letting you go to the next room
latent moon
hammer start
or take a useless boon and sell it
like if you're playing hestia and want to do boonless and get a boon start, you could take cast
tacit ember
ok
what if you chose smthing like pressure points
and do like one crit on a random enemy
is the run just invalid then?
carmine cloak
I'm not sure what people count as boonless.
Just no core attack boons or no boons at all? Because the game forces a few on you through rng.
latent moon
is the run just invalid then?
for the leaderboard, yes
if you just want the dialogue, you can take whatever you like and just sell it later even if you do benefit from it
latent moon
Just no core attack boons or no boons at all? Because the game forces a few on y...
you can get out of those with fated authority
latent moon
I'm not sure what people count as boonless.
literally no boons lmao
some boons aren't purgeable like premium vintage, but even if you take it you can still get the dialogue
carmine cloak
The dialogue?
latent moon
there's unique dialogue for reaching hades with no boons
brisk trail
The cool thing about this build is, even if you're missing only one of these (preferably not smair or swind), you can still keep 50-70% dodge, and that is SATISFYING even if it's not 100%
gleaming oak
Sitting here looking at my zelda case for my switch and wishing they had hades switch cases
brisk trail
What is the Correct Gaming Choice here? https://prnt.sc/8h_dFYI-wb-L
I'm leaning ferocious guard, but pulverizing blow tempts me slightly. Zeus shield. First possible hammer in the game.
tired karma
someone dropped out of college to become a pro hades streamer
carmine cloak
I just died from remembering all the times I died a little too vividly.
Ooh
Time for one of my favorite builds. Drunken fist.
brisk trail
how do people do it so fluidly
by rebinding reload to something extremely easy and comfortable to hit, for me it's a mouse side button
brazen aspen
i'll try thx
tired karma
Zagreus aspects are best than all others on all weapons
chilly sonnet
So I got all the materials I need for the badges, come to realize you can only unlock one badge and you have to do a run to be able to get another one
…so, I guess another 49 runs before I can get them, here we go again lol
tired karma
Zag rail is peak
latent moon
I'm leaning ferocious guard, but pulverizing blow tempts me slightly. Zeus shiel...
Explosive return is best hammer for Zeus
Pulv blow makes the time between atk and block longer
Ferocious guard is fine but explosive return is right there lmao
brazen aspen
what's a good a hestia build? deadly strike + (hunter's mark)?
does crit not really matter
latent moon
Deadly strike is onlh good if you already have a ton of chaos additive
latent moon
does crit not really matter
With arty you're either under or way over break points
brazen aspen
conch to start for tdash?
latent moon
With Aphrodite it's consistent
latent moon
conch to start for tdash?
Yes
brazen aspen
and then deadly flourish and heartbreak?
high island
what's a good a hestia build? deadly strike + (hunter's mark)?
Deadly Strike with Hunter's Mark is decent on Hestia, yeah.
carmine cloak
What if you have epic heartbreak strike but get a shot at legendary deadly strike?
brazen aspen
there is no legendary deadly strike
carmine cloak
Eh?
latent moon
Prob mean heroic
carmine cloak
Right
latent moon
But also replacements are rare
carmine cloak
I meant heroic.
latent moon
So I wouldn't rely on that
carmine cloak
I'm just asking, what if it happens?
latent moon
Piercing is neat
high island
I'm just asking, what if it happens?
No.
You'd roll for Hunter Dash or Pressure Points tbh.
latent moon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1057761550947070052/...
Seeking sucks, explosive is nice aoe, piercing is also aoe but can make Theseus not have a shield basically so it's nice
And also line ups can be cool
high island
Piercing best there, yeah.
high island
how do people do it so fluidly
Press Special when you press Reload. Well, you can only use Special every other reload, but as might well just press them together so you don't need to think about it.
carmine cloak
Can you sell boons that are prerequisite to a boon you already have?
carmine cloak
Oh cool I was thinking maybe those boons just won't show up.
carmine cloak
I have curse of pain just for a duo so I was thinking maybe I can get some money out of it later.
Is heavy knuckle any good?
Wait, I'm running a flat damage build. I have barely any +% on attack, I should just get breaching cross.
Or long knuckle. Range is nice.
Breaching cross pierces tho..
vital tapir
heavy knuckle doesn’t even rlly work if you build around it
brisk trail
im crying
i got such a good run
1st time on hades
and I get molested by the big angry man
latent moon
i cna't aim so maybe
Are you kbm
latent moon
Turn off aim at cursor
The auto aim is good
You'll have to be a bit close/mid range but you won't miss
brazen aspen
i didn't even know that was a thing
latent moon
It makes rail a whole lot more bearable on kbm
brazen aspen
but aiming manually feels a lot more geniune, at least on bo
i'll try autoaim on rail, it does seem signifficantly harder
the snapping doesn't feel like it does on bow
but maybe that's just because there is no indicator
latent moon
but aiming manually feels a lot more geniune, at least on bo
yeah for bow you should manually aim
it's just for rail only as far as i know
i hated rail because aiming was such a pain but turning off aim at cursor makes it extremely easy
brazen aspen
it seems to aim kinda where i'm facing
instead of what's closest?
i'm missing a lot of shots lol
vital tapir
i think you can have both aim assist and aim at cursor
latent moon
both are by default on
brazen aspen
you can, aspect's talking about auto aim, not aim assist
brazen aspen
if i'm gonna aim manually, do i aim at a thing's body or shadow?
placid remnant
How do i gain Dionysus favor? I read the wiki and it says you need to forge at least 6 bonds and gift 10 ambrosia. I've definitely gifted over 10 ambrosia as I have almost every other bond forged. What am I missing?
latent moon
dialogue rng probably
vital tapir
there is no auto aim toggle, just aim assist
brazen aspen
there is no auto aim toggle, just aim assist
turn off aim at cursor for it
latent moon
if i'm gonna aim manually, do i aim at a thing's body or shadow?
no clue man i also used to miss a lot on hestia and never figured out how to make it work lmao
that's why i turn off aim at cursor
dash into them and hit m1 i guess
vital tapir
sounds like bad controller
latent moon
i mean you can still aim the specials with the mouse actually
carmine cloak
Can hangover ticks also crit if you have a global crit modifier?
brazen aspen
highly doubt it. considering it won't proc the marked debuff it it does crit
latent moon
pretty sure it can because doom can crit
latent moon
is this styx or do you have sweet nectar
brazen aspen
sweet nectar
latent moon
what chamber are you at
brazen aspen
elysium at the end of it
brisk trail
id say take hunters mark for styx
latent moon
do you have breaking wave
carmine cloak
I guess chances of getting a rare pom are pretty low outside of styx.
latent moon
I guess chances of getting a rare pom are pretty low outside of styx.
only erebus
or sweet nectar
in this case sweet nectar
carmine cloak
What about those all-armored encounters?
latent moon
What about those all-armored encounters?
those are only blue laurels
so cant get a pom in those
carmine cloak
Whether or not I do an erebus gate depends on the reward.
latent moon
am i the only one that always does tartarus erebus gates
i think most people do tart erebus
i dont because speed gaming
brazen aspen
do you fish and say hello to your fan
latent moon
no fish, i do say hello
timer pauses after each boss anyways
oh there is fish tech tho
for than and chaos
latent moon
lmao
you fish in chaos while waiting for the door options to come up
saves like
2 seconds lmao
but to be fair
that actually matters in top level speedruns
it's the same as nyx tech
if she's there, after you get your chaos boon you talk to her so the door options appear
brazen aspen
i'm not that far into the game yet but interesting
nyx plays a role in the escape? (outside mirror)
brazen aspen
yeah
latent moon
ah that's just a nyx story line then
brazen aspen
i'm at the point where nyx is reminiscing on chaos and how they drifted apart
latent moon
just keep talking to her and whatnot and you'll see why
brazen aspen
ooh figured. will chiron tell me abt the bow
latent moon
at this point you should've met all the characters in the game
you can either guess, just play on your own and do whatever, or check #h1-story-discussion pins for the guide
brazen aspen
ok, i'll just play the game
carmine cloak
For dadcall, is greater call any good?
latent moon
yes
brisk trail
The bad call achievment makes me laugg
carmine cloak
Why is there something satisfying about gaining critical hits with non-Artemis attacks?
carmine cloak
What is that achievement?
brisk trail
"Thats a no bro moment bro"
carmine cloak
Use call while you're doing that god's trial?
brisk trail
yaeh but greater call
carmine cloak
Just a random guess.
So greater call while doing their trial.
That's funny.
I assume the call works as normal but the god is not pleased.
carmine cloak
He's ok.
brisk trail
who's ur fave
peak carbon
carmine cloak
I'm bad at picking favorites.
carmine cloak
What aspect are you running?
latent moon
that's nemesis
brisk trail
im fr quitting escape attempts if I dont get good starting boons
carmine cloak
So few boons.
brisk trail
https://i.imgur.com/h9ujqFP.jpeg
how you send ss
latent moon
im fr quitting escape attempts if I dont get good starting boons
quitting/giving up doesnt change the seed, you have to die
carmine cloak
Upload somewhere and then post link to embed.
brisk trail
quitting/giving up doesnt change the seed, you have to die
does giving up not?
brisk trail
if I give up is it a run added to my save
latent moon
no
it acts as if the run never happened
so the starting boon will still be the same
latent moon
changing keepsake should keep the same options and rarity yeah
carmine cloak
Besides, I don't think a run can be so cursed that you can't make it work.
carmine cloak
Upload somewhere and then post link to embed.
I said this earlier as well.
peak carbon
Oooooof I got past phase one
Both of my dd are there still
Feeling great about this I think I've got a shot
Arven gang
carmine cloak
Man why is the infinite theme so hella expensive? How do people even get that?
carmine cloak
I've seen the nemona memes
Not much of a pokemon fan but I appreciate a fun rival character.
brisk trail
HOW TF DO I SEND IMAGE
peak carbon
brisk trail
thx
peak carbon
I DID IT LFG
brisk trail
ye moon watch ur language
latent moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018105291138662456/1057778240678264982/S...
didn't you say it was a good run lmao you died
peak carbon
ye moon watch ur language
Ok minimod
latent moon
on a good run
by the looks of it it wasn't a good build lmao
thorny mirage
pom trippy shot or go for hammer and possible get cshot
latent moon
hammer first
peak carbon
Pom trippy, imo
latent moon
assuming tart right
thorny mirage
I just said what it was
peak carbon
Less than 10 runs and I beat Hades
thorny mirage
Beowulf
peak carbon
I'm GOD
cosmic berry
joker
brisk trail
Ok minimod
lmao
cosmic berry
i beat the game agen
peak carbon
I just said what it was <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Oh whoops I didn't see that
thorny mirage
Poggies
latent moon
I just said what it was <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yeah but is it tartarus
latent moon
hammer then
thorny mirage
Aight
cosmic berry
yea
peak carbon
I think this was my 8th run
cosmic berry
are erebus gates worth saving up for?
peak carbon
Who was that guy said he beat it in 8 runs?
brazen aspen
i'm crying that there isn't an aspect of artemis T_T
peak carbon
i'm crying that there isn't an aspect of artemis T_T
Mfw Artemis is a young god
Maybe hades 2 will have her
brisk trail
yeah
thorny mirage
I mean the only weapon that would have her aspect is like
brisk trail
she werent in no wars
peak carbon
she werent in no wars
This is probably not correct
thorny mirage
She did get the coronacht vision tho maybe at a later date
brisk trail
This is probably not correct
i mean early wars
like titan war
she was in the giant war
cosmic berry
Maybe hades 2 will have her
hades 2 is confirmed canonically after hades 1?
cosmic berry
na but who is the mother this time?
peak carbon
He never said he didn't have another kid, he said Zagreus had no kin
peak carbon
na but who is the mother this time?
In myth, Persephone
cosmic berry
And he probably doesn't view her as kin
yea tbf based on the trailer we can see the daughter swore loyalty to another god
brisk trail
persephone is the mother and its after zag escapes and melinoe was conceived after zag escaped
peak carbon
In the Orphean myth, Persephone slept with Zeus in the shape of a serpent and Zagreus was born. That didn't happen in the game
cosmic berry
is hades keepsake a standard keepsake?
peak carbon
is hades keepsake a standard keepsake?
Oh god hades keepsake is so cool
It turns your call into hades call
brisk trail
In the Orphean myth, Persephone slept with Zeus in the shape of a serpent and Za...
in some myths he's a form of dionysus
peak carbon
Makes you invisible and it autofills
cosmic berry
persephone is the mother and its after zag escapes and melinoe was conceived aft...
adult zag???!
peak carbon
in some myths he's a form of dionysus
They actually mention this in the game
peak carbon
adult zag???!
Unconfirmed when melinoë was born or conceived
thorny mirage
Yeah as bs that he made up
brisk trail
adult zag???!
idk
thorny mirage
And melinoe was most likely conceived after the events of the game
cosmic berry
i hope we get to play as zag again too or we get some interactions w him in hades 2
brisk trail
And melinoe was most likely conceived after the events of the game
its what I heard
thorny mirage
they never do mention melinoe existing
no one else in the house mentions another heir
brisk trail
cus how would she exist b4 persephone coming back
latent moon
im missing the last standard keepsake
have you reached credits yet
brazen aspen
yems
peak carbon
Hera
Easily Hera
Excalibur makes the game easier
To beat Hades 10 times use Excalibur 10 times
strong ridge
whats strongest bow aspect?
rama/hera
cosmic berry
what talents should you use with hera bow?
brisk trail
whats most efficient way to get titan blood for guan yu or beowulf or smth
strong ridge
whats most efficient way to get titan blood for guan yu or beowulf or smth
heat, fishing, trade with shop
strong ridge
what talents should you use with hera bow?
do u mean mirror or boons
cosmic berry
mirror
brisk trail
heat, fishing, trade with shop
heat?
peak carbon
Exactly 10 attempts lmfao
brazen aspen
pact of punishmet >:)
peak carbon
My goal was 30 I'm well pleased with this
brazen aspen
whats most efficient way to get titan blood for guan yu or beowulf or smth
do runs with heat and you can also trade in resources for titansblood
brisk trail
do runs with heat and you can also trade in resources for titansblood
ik trading
brazen aspen
especially ambrosia, just keep like 5ish on you and trade the rest in
strong ridge
mirror
the big one would be stygian/infernal which will be based on which cast you want
latent moon
Exactly 10 attempts lmfao
second save file?
latent moon
how do u unlock hidden aspect
#h1-story-discussion pins
peak carbon
Kind of
brazen aspen
how do u unlock hidden aspect
play the game, literally
latent moon
or that
peak carbon
I have it on PS5
cosmic berry
ok
latent moon
ah rip
peak carbon
I'm annoyed my ps5 broke
brazen aspen
ok
specifically, make sure to talk to everyone with a "!" above them
and eventaully you'll unlock it
peak carbon
It is what it is ig
latent moon
@tired karma you beat it on run 7 on your very first save didn't you lmao
cosmic berry
idk who to give 2nd heart nectars too
the only person ive given them to is thanatos
brisk trail
why am i so bad at this game
peak carbon
<@364430469019860992> you beat it on run 7 on your very first save didn't you lm...
They did and that's why I pinged them
brisk trail
50 attempts and hades still aint deeeeeaaad
peak carbon
50 attempts and hades still aint deeeeeaaad
It takes practice
cosmic berry
50 attempts and hades still aint deeeeeaaad
25 attempts and beat hades twice 😈
cosmic berry
no wonder ur not winning
ur using spear
im using bow
bow best weapon
bow on top
bow for life
we stan bow
brisk trail
i hate range weapons
brisk trail
nice
cosmic berry
is explosive bow bad?
brazen aspen
i don't like it
brisk trail
i dont like bow in first place lol
cosmic berry
i don't like it
my attacks are doing 150+ a shot w/o crit or shining attack
brisk trail
aiming
cosmic berry
get flurry shot
carmine cloak
Poseidon's other legendary is a bit of a joke though. Good for resource runs tho.
cosmic berry
it was only a special hammer and sum else that wasnt good
oh right
the one where the blinking attack is easier to hit
ik for good bow users that one is way better but
high island
what are best boons for spear
Tidal Dash start, then either pick up Lightning Strike + Electric Discharge or Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark. Poms on Tidal Dash and 2-3 on Electric Discharge/Hunter's Mark.
brisk trail
Tidal Dash start, then either pick up Lightning Strike + Electric Discharge or D...
so zeus and poseidon
high island
Best hammer is Flurry Jab.
cosmic berry
Tidal Dash start, then either pick up Lightning Strike + Electric Discharge or D...
ive beat game twice now 🙂
45 and 27 mins respectively
carmine cloak
Wonder if Hunter's Mark adds a lot of damage to Zeus Shield with thunder effect.
cosmic berry
😦
north shell
Best hammer is Flurry Jab.
exploding launcher my beloved
high island
so zeus and poseidon
Poseidon's Dash, and then either Lord Zeus Attack or Lady Artemis, whoever you see first. But tbh any attack can work if it's rare or epic, ideally.
Sure.
brisk trail
Poseidon's Dash, and then either Lord Zeus Attack or Lady Artemis, whoever you s...
lmao why u calling them lord and lady
high island
Why wouldn't I?
carmine cloak
Since there's a lot of lightning bolts going around there's a lot of opportunities for crits, is what I was thinking.
north shell
lmao why u calling them lord and lady
they name everything just like it's named in the game
carmine cloak
Hunter's mark
high island
Rare+ Curse of Agony does good damage and has good pom scaling.
carmine cloak
Anything can crit on hunter's mark can't it?
carmine cloak
Another hunter's mark?
high island
It's not about having an optimal DPS build, it's about having a build that's simple and effective.
carmine cloak
It doesn't?
high island
Wdym "doesn't apply itself"?
carmine cloak
Normally when I run a crit build against heroes the mark just goes back and forth.
high island
If you crit a marked enemy, you'll mark another enemy.
That's part of what makes it great.
Maybe you didn't crit.
carmine cloak
So if I have any source of crit at all, then the lightning bolts can just propagate the mark, no?
brazen aspen
you need some source of crit to mark in the first place..
carmine cloak
Yeah but it can be anything even pressure points.
high island
Well, you need to land a crit first to get Hunter's Mark rolling.
brisk trail
bome hydra down
high island
Yes, Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark is great.
north shell
i love zeus cast
carmine cloak
It seems for the vast majority of the time the trick to making Artemis work is to find ways to get crits off other attacks.
cosmic berry
bruh this build is mid
north shell
it's kinda funny how i neglected casts for most of my playtime and now i been playing zeus cast based builds for the past 6 runs
cosmic berry
the slowdown can ruin your run
brisk trail
zeus cast w
north shell
frr
high island
It seems for the vast majority of the time the trick to making Artemis work is t...
You want Hunter's Mark, Heart Rend, bonus damage from Master Chaos, and Well items in crit builds.
cosmic berry
im killing myself this run
horrible run
i cant save it
the boons and hammers were all bad
brisk trail
i hate asterius with a burning passion
carmine cloak
He's easy.
cosmic berry
guys how do you unlock chamber music
brazen aspen
play the game (talk to ! people)
cosmic berry
ok
peak carbon
Made it to elysium but lost two of my dd
north shell
i hate asterius with a burning passion
asterius is pretty easy, his attacks are easy to see through
peak carbon
I really need to run into Patroclus
peak carbon
asterius is pretty easy, his attacks are easy to see through
He's very slow
Given that he's a hulking mass of muscle he's not built for speed
north shell
exactly why it's easy to see through his attacks
north shell
bro edited it from yes to yea
peak carbon
Yep
north shell
anyhow good luck with patroclus
peak carbon
Thank you
brazen aspen
does fo affect bosses
strong ridge
evrytin
frosty wigeon
I just got two duo boons from Poseidon, should i pick blizzard shot or exclusive access?
strong ridge
what biome are you in
frosty wigeon
2nd one
strong ridge
exclusive id say
frosty wigeon
Though blizzard shot is a fated choice
strong ridge
exclusive is probably healthier for the run but fate is fate
strong ridge
w
frosty wigeon
Worth it then 👍
high island
i cant save it
Just play gud. 
cosmic berry
Just play gud. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
i did a diff run
this run mad good
got the core boons for artemis and flurry shot
common deadly strike and epic hunters marjk
strong ridge
perish
peak carbon
I'll have to!
strong ridge
you can still get a dd from the well
brazen aspen
i keep making decisions that i regret 2 seconds later lol
strong ridge
what u did
brazen aspen
i got the wrong duo so i rerolled. got the wrong one again and chose a different boon for the boss fight. then realized i couldve taken the duo to take it out of the rng pool and sell it later for good gold
the lightbulb plan comes after i make the mistake T_T
strong ridge
the lightbulb plan comes after i make the mistake T_T
you know it now
brazen aspen
is ricochet fire good with hestia
brazen aspen
i ended up going with it. the other was the hazard bomb and shot gun
latent moon
hazard is also a good pick apparently, it's generally taken at high heat
brazen aspen
im not good enough to time my dashes
carmine cloak
lol
After Asphodel I completely forgot I had charged shot. That would have really come in handy with Zeus shield.
cosmic berry
whats the max level you can take boons?
latent moon
there is no limit
it's just that it's not worth pomming over like 7
unless it's hangover
cosmic berry
bruh
brazen aspen
assuming you get the max number of poms and nectar early on... 
brazen aspen
pressure points also has no fall off i think
cosmic berry
174/225 and 3 dds
latent moon
lvl 7 doom or impending doom is strong
or aphrodite atk/special
carmine cloak
I almost always choose NPC rooms, their boons are good.
cosmic berry
zagreus bow
raw herald
Doom poms past 5 or 6 suck
latent moon
assuming you get the max number of poms and nectar early on... <:thonk:801086530...
then like just over 50
high island
Don't pom Pressure Points, pom Hunter's Mark.
cosmic berry
i am
latent moon
Doom poms past 5 or 6 suck
i mean yeah but if the other options aren't great you might as well right
raw herald
id rather pom divine dfash
latent moon
id rather pom divine dfash
lmao so true
raw herald
unironically
latent moon
oh
raw herald
6 damage from divine dash >>> +1 from doom
latent moon
is it really just +1
raw herald
yeah its so bad
brazen aspen
should i sell hunter's mark in hopes of getting bettter hunter's mark 
high island
i mean yeah but if the other options aren't great you might as well right
If you're at Lv.6 Curse of Agony and you don't have better pom targets, what are you doing with your build?
brazen aspen
its whtie rarity
carmine cloak
Commons aren't bad.
latent moon
If you're at Lv.6 Curse of Agony and you don't have better pom targets, what are...
i mean if it's curse of agony, ddash, and divine flourish on fists, the uppercut isn't being used too much once ME is online is it
carmine cloak
A common key boon is better than not having that key boon at all 100%.
chrome elbow
does targeting system work with rocket bomb?
high island
Where is your Impending Doom?
latent moon
Where is your Impending Doom? <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
unlucky with pom rng
carmine cloak
Rocket bomb has no targeting ring so I'd assume not.
high island
Why are you taking poms with no good pom targets?
latent moon
there are good pom targets it just didn't hit
high island
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> there are good pom targets it just didn't hit
Reroll?
carmine cloak
If you have 5+ pommable boons and no rerolls then poms aren't great.
latent moon
it can happen
high island
Sure.
latent moon
and it's not that unlikely either tbh
high island
and it's not that unlikely either tbh
I think you and I build very differently.
carmine cloak
Chances of having to put the pom on a boon you don't wish to pom increase the more pommable boons you have.
latent moon
I think you and I build very differently. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
it's literally just standard ME
doom atk, ddash, and divine flourish are all things needed for ME
high island
You building ME and me building ME is gonna look very different.
brazen aspen
ok do i get heartbreak strike lv15 or hope to get more dashes (hestia)
carmine cloak
I mean I will still sometimes choose a pom but it won't be a snap click like I just got my key boon and I see a pom.
latent moon
this could be like, late ely where you picked up a pom and have no rerolls left
and you have the full ME build
impending, doom atk, ddash, dflourish
carmine cloak
Like, I did that drunken fist build the other day.
latent moon
and hell you might've taken some other boons that are pommable like heaven's vengeance or curse of vengeance or something idk
carmine cloak
Whoops
latent moon
this isn't an impossible situation and it's not that unlikely to happen
carmine cloak
Curse of vengeance is ok to pom but at that point I'd rather grab obols.
I think getting drunken strike to level 5 before leaving tartarus was good.
high island
Hangover poms are always good.
If you don't plan to put a lot of poms on it, don't take Hangover unless it's Call.
Call always good.
Even better with poms, though.
carmine cloak
Drunken strike was level 7 by the end, can't say I saw any way to get it higher, I already got lucky withpoms.
high island
Can't wait for theorizing Hades 2 builds and helping with feedback and stuff. Hades 1 builds just feel like going through the motions at this point. 
Rocket, yeah.
cosmic berry
bruh
i beat hades again
lol
this time i took 4 seconds longer than my last time
cosmic berry
:l
high island
Skill decreased by a full 4 seconds.
cosmic berry
bye
vital spade
Hey I have a question
I just beat hades on my first try and I’m at the screen where it shows all your boons and stats and I notice you can hit A on the boons and it makes an icon
What is that
rich horizon
I don't use infernal troves at all (and I refuse to, don't tell me to use them pls) and the only purchase I have left in the work orders section is plunder, superior. I currently have 300 gemstones, and plunder superior costs 500. do I wait to have 500 gemstones or do I go buy other stuff w my gems?
high island
Whatever works for you.
rustic vale
Can't wait for theorizing Hades 2 builds and helping with feedback and stuff. Ha...
Can’t wait for shackle in hades 2
rich horizon
oh I wanna know if when I complete the work orders section, if I unlock the pretty borders on the end screen
i need the thanatos one so bad, it's so pretty
rustic vale
oh I wanna know if when I complete the work orders section, if I unlock the pret...
Yes
rich horizon
okay then! guess I'm saving up to 500 :)
I love unnecessary and really expensive pretty things <33333
high island
Isn't that like a couple Gemstone troves?
rich horizon
like I said, I don't do troves ksjhdfksjd
high island
rich horizon
they stress me out in the same way that those timed multiplication tests from elementary school did
and in the same way that tight deadline does
I may just have to do a trove and get over ti
high island
You can literally just leave after starting a trove trial, too.
rich horizon
oh gtk!
carmine cloak
The best way to get past things you are bad at is to do them.
Like beating Charon.
Btw is it just me or are Erebus rooms actually kinda easy?
carmine cloak
What is that
On the results screen you can choose to highlight the five boons you think were most defining to your build. Then you can make a screenshot and share. Such as #h1-victory-boasting
high island
Btw is it just me or are Erebus rooms actually kinda easy?
Depends on pact, build, and enemies you get.