h1-discussion

[old dawn]

same

AP2 is a scam so you only take it towards like 50+ heat iirc lol

[chilly flume]

I barely got through 9 heat with that on, I couldn't finish a decent build

[old dawn]

truly makes this an rng game

[chilly flume]

BTW how do people go around playing the late-end-ish game?
I've been running the Pom every single time, is this the way?

[old dawn]

RI4 sheeeesh

i have no idea how ppl run with no mirror

spearpoint saves a lot of poison damage yea

[raw herald]

No

[dusky cypress]

4 dds x collar... 50+ 100...

[chilly flume]

I can see Acorn being extremely important against those EM bosses but Sigil? Never played it, just thought having a free aid to be underwhelming

[old dawn]

ah yes egg

that free aid gives you iframes, a way to easily reposition and get a dmg boost

hence why it's used iirc

[dusky cypress]

I'm p sure your acorn is preventing more than 150 damage if you're not taking that damage from a sneak/soul catcher/smaller enemies that don't hit as hard

[sonic grove]

Pom = higher level boons = higher damage = satyrs and vermin die faster = no poison

[dusky cypress]

yes

collar is 50

and 50% of collar = 25, x4 = 100

[chilly flume]

What is dds, jesus

[dusky cypress]

death defiance

[chilly flume]

I need to change my game's language lol

[sonic grove]

dunkin donuts

[old dawn]

death defiance

[dusky cypress]

I must concur

xd

first poseidon run, 40% cast speed, greater recall, 208 crush cast, and parting shot (also I have parting shot + will have +132% ambush in 3 encounters)

danggggg also got exit wounds too (already have blown kiss)

[sly ridge]

ive been doing a nemesis run

[dusky cypress]

lmao killing heroes w/ cast only

even funnier if my first time doing virtually cast-only hades was with poseidon instead of beo/hera xd

[native blade]

Which cast?

[dusky cypress]

crush

[native blade]

Ofc.

[high island]

I love Crush Shot.

[dusky cypress]

just found out you can apparently perfect-catch normal fish lol

(scuffer)

what's with some enemies being unable to absorb the bloodstone (or just at the wrong angle???)

also boiling blood applies to casts right?

[native blade]

Ye.

[umbral summit]

Scuffer is a rare fish

[high island]

Boiling Blood damage bonus is only for Attack and Special.

[terse geyser]

beo/hera can't "cast only"

[dusky cypress]

I said virtually

I know you need to m1

[terse geyser]

constantly

[high island]

That's a bug specific to Crush Shot that can happen when you're close to walls, in short.

[dusky cypress]

I mean so is poseidon yet everyone still calls that a cast build

[high island]

Poseidon gets the +50% Cast damage without doing anything else.

[terse geyser]

afaict it also happens in the open at proper angle/distance

[terse geyser]

I've gotten a build with stygian soul and extra casts in which I legitamately didn't ever m1/m5 past asphodel

[dusky cypress]

I mean I don't even have poseidon fully leveled for this run xd

huh

well that was silly

[umbral summit]

Max level hestia is silly on early floors

[high island]

On any floor with the right builds.

[umbral summit]

It feels to me that unless you've got something like artemis arrows or zeus bolts, that alternating reloading > shooting once is better DPS than keeping firing

Is that correct?

[raw herald]

Hestia is always best by only using empowered shot

[umbral summit]

Assuming the enemy doesn't have a sliver of HP left

[raw herald]

Just dash into it then

[umbral summit]

I have no dashes yet 😦

[high island]

Yeah, you'd want ideally Tidal Dash to finish off any enemies like that.

Hunter Dash can also help by just boosting your Dash-Strikes, so that enemies don't have that sliver of HP left when you shoot them.

The rotation usually is Special + Reload > Attack > Reload > Attack > repeat.

[raw herald]

Cast too

[high island]

Yeah. But I wanted to keep it simple.

[umbral summit]

lolwat. I was on one of those big asphodel maps, with all visible enemies dead, and I was searching for the last one for like 5 seconds

Then it died, meaning it must have been standing in the lava somewhere on its own volition

[high island]

Asphodel being Asphodel.

Especially in Elysium and Styx, enemies can sometimes spawn and immediately get killed by a trap lol.

[umbral summit]

Can Flame Wheel Release appear in the entrance well right before Elysium, or only in proper Elysium chambers?

[brisk trail]

hmm

[lean timber]

i think it can appear in the stairway

[dusky cypress]

can def appear in wells, altho it appears to be exceptionally rare??? idk

for my first like 20 runs I feel like I saw it fairly frequently, then it disappeared from my ely pools for like the next 50 runs lol

[lean timber]

it's quite a low roll

[umbral summit]

Do Duo/Legendary boons have a fixed base chance of appearing if you qualify, or does having more of their boons raise the chances by shrinking the pool?

[latent moon]

they have a fixed chance of appearing because the game rolls for duos/legendaries before any other boon

it'll only be guaranteed if you only have like 3 boons available to take from that god

[umbral summit]

Hmm, too bad

[latent moon]

assuming they dont offer replacement boons

[umbral summit]

Bah, wrong duo

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[chilly flume]

Poseidon's quest for EM3 Theseus requires you having his keepsake equipped?

[twilit lodge]

Don’t believe so

[chilly flume]

I've beaten him three times already, got to Poseidon and they guy says nothing

[latent moon]

i think dialogue rng

[dusky cypress]

I'm starting to feel more and more like I have 0 clue what people are talking about when I ask if I should just phase-1 hades or kill the mini-bosses first and they say "yeah mini-bosses is faster/easier"

[latent moon]

is this for em4

[dusky cypress]

uggghhhh so slow/annoying and hades feels like a consistent target (that and I'm not focusing on enemies that all things considered can't really hurt me compared to idk, 50 damage spear chucks or skulls that increase damage taken

[dusky cypress]

it says mini-bosses

[latent moon]

ah can't help with that then lmao i dont do em4

well yeah just making sure tho

but it really depends tho from what i heard

if the minibosses stops you from damaging hades, like sneak or butterfly ball on rama, then you should get those down first

some other weapons can get away with ignoring them

[cyan jolt]

Does Demeter's legendary work on bosses?

[chilly flume]

Yes

And it scared the living hell outta me the first time it triggered

[umbral summit]

Some of the minibosses are easier than others. The louts or skulls are really easy, but then you've got the archers that shoot 8 arrows at a time that do like 20 each

[chilly flume]

The first victim I got was redacted himself

[latent moon]

em4 doesn't have that

em4 has the minibosses like power couple, butterfly ball, sneak, doomstone, that stuff

[umbral summit]

Ah, so not talking about the really high armor adds

[latent moon]

yeah

although same rules apply to those too tbh

[dusky cypress]

https://imgur.com/a/aVjQlTY

[latent moon]

if you're playing rama, most likely you're gonna have to kill those archers because they shoot volleys of 8

[dusky cypress]

lmao hades stopping to heal looks so damn weird when him giving you more than 2 seconds to freely hit him is like

5 thousand damage or smthn

[latent moon]

yep

[dusky cypress]

(I know it wasn't quite that much but w/ the conc + relentless, the other bonuses and a 155% ambush... actually it'd probably be more than that/2 seconds) xd

high% ambushes are kind of scary ngl

[latent moon]

oh you got good chaos and hermes

that's a very nice build

[high island]

(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

[latent moon]

shame it was pstatus tho lol

[umbral summit]

Hmm. I'm tempted to refund my darkness to get the Legendary/Duo boon rate upgrade to max until I'm doing with the prophecies

[high island]

Step 1 is normally only the very first boon you pick up in a run. Step 2 usually can't be avoided. Step 3 can be avoided by filling all 4 priority slots (but if this opens up other Duo Boons than the ones that you want, this will hurt your chances more than it helps). Step 4 can be avoided by taking the T2 curse out of the pool (only 4 gods have a T2 curse anyway).

[dusky cypress]

fwiw I'd just like to say that hades needs to authorize the use of companions against him (its yet another thing you have to unlock)

[high island]

It only costs one key to reset the mirror anyway, so it's a good idea to just do that when you want to change your mirror until very very very late game when you can max both sides.

[dusky cypress]

I was confused by that when people said "Yeah use xyz against hades" and thought "that's weird, it wouldn't let me trigger mort or any other one that I've tried against him"

[shadow pivot]

Once you're past 20 heat, how do you know what heat level to raise to to keep progressing? Just gotta see after you beat hades?

[dusky cypress]

try stuff out

leave RI for last

[rustic vale]

I mean it’s really just however you please

[high island]

There are no more bounties after 20 Heat.

[rustic vale]

After 20 it just freestyle

[shadow pivot]

Whelp
Ok

[dusky cypress]

heightened security is a potential lot more damage for taking damage

there's a lot of room for experimentation and just... whatever works for you

[high island]

Hell mode goes up to 25 instead (and starts at 5).

[dusky cypress]

(as-is this game in general)

[rustic vale]

I mean

32 for statue

Technically progress

[high island]

32 for Skelly's third prize. Otherwise just whatever you want to do.

[shadow pivot]

I have been playing on Nintendo Switch but I ordered a Steam Deck. When I get that I'll play the modded version you guys talk about

[high island]

Some players push into high heat after 32. Some do speedruns. Others just experiment with builds at their comfortable heats.

[rustic vale]

20 -> 32 -> 40 -> 50 -> 50+
Or
20 -> 64

[high island]

You can also try other challenges like doing a boonless run, mirrorless, whatever you can think of.

[rustic vale]

Shackle all aspects

[shadow pivot]

How do you do a boonless run? Just have to purge when you get one?

[twilit lodge]

Well and kill dad

[umbral summit]

Avoid boons whenever you can, reroll god boon if all choices are that, then purge any you're forced to take anyway

Actually, not sure if you can reroll god boons into something like coins

Scratch the second part if that doesn't work

[rustic vale]

For dad dialogue yes
For speedrun category, never benefit from any boons iirc

Chaos doesn’t count for dad dialogue (and neither do non-purgables iirc)

[high island]

For the boonless leaderboard that we started in early access, the rule is that you may not benefit from any boon in your run. So... picking up boons per se is fine. But if you get a Cast boon for example, you're not allowed to use your Cast in the run (until you purge the boon at least). You're not required to purge boons but it usually makes your life easier to do so, and also to avoid boons.

For the 100% Olympian-Free run clear message (and the unique dialogue with Hades), the requirement is that you may not have any purgeable boons by the end of the runs. So... you're perfectly free to use boons during the run so long as you purge any of the boons that can be purged. Master Chaos's boons for example all can't be purged, so you can have literally 5 of them and you will still qualify for the run clear message. Also "consumable" boons like Nourished Soul are fine because they can't be purged.

[dusky cypress]

what

now my bouldy bonus is "ambiguity" lol

[rustic vale]

Yup

[umbral summit]

what's the easiest weapon for a boonless run? Something with a good innate additive that would normally get outshined by boon additives?

Not fastest, but easiest

[rustic vale]

Use shackle for additive 🧠

Shield is easiest if time doesn’t matter

[high island]

There's no speedrun category for it that I know of. Boonless started out as a high heat category and required min. 32 Heat to be eligible, but we've since done away with the min. Heat requirement for the boonless leaderboard, so you can submit 0 Heat runs just as well. It's still a sheet on the high heat leaderboard, though.

[latent moon]

hestia, arthur, charged shot shield

rama i would think as well

[rustic vale]

Wha
I thought there was a boonless speedrun category

[latent moon]

nemesis to an extent

[rustic vale]

My b

I think I right roughly 1/8 of the time now

[high island]

Well, you were... the opposite of correct.

[rustic vale]

Maybe even tentative 1/9 times

[high island]

You can have a look at the boonless runs on the leaderboard (under "Challenges") if you like. Hestia is the most popular with Rama in second place. And after that... not a lot because it's not a very popular category. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fYeJpxFXZBO2UycHOz4qt90T3ZurFZKCtg07UQNZVyc/edit?usp=sharing

[cyan jolt]

Wooooh finally got the true ending

[rustic vale]

Oh so it’s a heat leaderboard rather then a speedrun category I misremembered

Or do I still misunderstand

Oh I’m a tad bit late

As per usual

[high island]

You didn't misremember, and you didn't misunderstand. You mistakenly assumed.

I didn't specificy if it was ranked by speed or heat when I told you initially.

Evidently, you mistakenly assumed it was ranked by speed.

[chilly flume]

Do we have a guide for meta builds?
I've experimented a bit and now I want to see what the hivemind meta concept builds are

[high island]

Also btw I don't know if you're at all bothered by the fact you so often turn out to be wrong in chat recently. But I don't think it's a bad quality to be wrong often. Rather, I think it's an admirable quality to acknowledge when you were wrong. A lot of people can't do that because their emotions get in the way.

[umbral summit]

lmao

[umbral summit]

gave Skelly an ambrosia, and I cut off Zag's text box after he said "You're my friend, mate"
Then Skelly's overworld text line was "Heh, nope!"

[high island]

This is an excellent guide. Meta builds + some other variants. And easy to follow without going too deep. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-talos-fists

And this list of guides is for full-on speedrun meta and a lot more depth. https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/1i726

High Heat meta uses a lot of the same builds as speedruns and a lot of the same principles, at least up to a point.

Eventually you end up dealing with very different problems. Like... DC2 is not a problem that needs to be solved in speedruns. EM4 is not something you need to build for in speedruns. Speedrun builds are no longer anywhere near consistent enough if you're dealing with RI and AP etc...

[chilly flume]

Thank you!!

[umbral summit]

That feeling when you spend 50 obol to guarantee a treasure trove, then it's an HP one when you're at nearly full

[pastel monolith]

i just got 32 heat with zag sword wooo! just had to brag to someone lol

it was with zeus and flurry slash or whatever its called.. i cant believe i pulled it off but patty came in clutch at the last chamber of elysium

in trying to 32 heat every aspect im gettin there slowly but surely

[high island]

Congratulations!

[pastel monolith]

ppl tell me stubborn defiance is better for higher heat runs but i always die at hades whenever i use that

i need my dds lol

[signal aspen]

its better because of lc4

[pastel monolith]

that makes sense

[high island]

LC4 allows you to turn off other pacts.

[pastel monolith]

i just need to get better at hades fight i think

[marsh folio]

Just started hades yesterday and holy crap it's phenomenal

[latent moon]

picking up touch of styx dark from patty helps a ton as well for sd

[high island]

Welcome! You might wanna remain in #h1-for-new-players for now since that channel is spoiler-free.

[pastel monolith]

i hope u get addicted to it and play for hundreds of hours.. imo thats the proper way to play hades lol

the game seems short and repetitive at first glace but it has tons of variety and challenges and endless fun

[high island]

@pastel monolith I wrote an explanation for what makes SD strong in high heat earlier today. Might wanna check it out. #h1-discussion message

[pastel monolith]

earlier today? what a coincidence lol thanks ill check that out

[marsh folio]

it gives me the same vibe for dmc and those games hooked me so i'm prolly gonna sink in alot of hours

[marsh folio]

Thank you sm!

[twilit lodge]

Submit a 30minute run just so you can get posting permissions in the speedtech channel

[signal aspen]

huh

that was a month ago

[twilit lodge]

Lmao

[high island]

Fooled by Discord, probably.

[twilit lodge]

Why did I end up that far back yowza

[high island]

Yeah idk Discord sometimes does weird things like that.

[lean timber]

he he he ha

[twilit lodge]

Don’t you dare clash Royale king laugh at me matty

[high island]

Just like half the time on mobile, discord message links send you to a random message in the same channel lol.

[twilit lodge]

I’m on my way to your location matty

With an ice pick!!!

So we can have a cold beverage

[twilit lodge]

A month ago you were wishing for the 69th spot so corngrats

[signal aspen]

that was on the 50 heat leaderboard tho

[raw herald]

I may make the climb to 69th

[shadow pivot]

Hades is one of those things I wish I could erase everything I know and start over again. So I'm jealous

[signal aspen]

i want it on anyheat

[raw herald]

I’d need to get a 6:32

That’s like

3 cshot resets

[signal aspen]

nah more like 4

[raw herald]

Fair

[marsh folio]

well this is probably one of my favorite indies already

[twilit lodge]

You like indie games? I like dn games

Gottem

[latent moon]

he he he ha

[dusky cypress]

I mean... its more so "the ending" (and even that isn't really too accurate because there's so many plot threads)

damn just lost a poseidon run because I took 3 cerb boulders + couldn't kill phase 1 fast enough to really skip mini-boss damage smh

[acoustic bolt]

@rustic vale zagsword champ kill in 10 seconds with a smair/sea storm thing and hyper rush

7:22 walking into styx!

[sacred walrus]

It seems it will take ages to finish 100% of the game

[acoustic bolt]

i'm on 5 months or so

and i've over 500 runs

[sacred walrus]

Many things are a bit random or take too much time

[acoustic bolt]

what things

tbf i've been done with everything for a couple of months other than the ranking thing that doesn't mean anything

[sacred walrus]

Well then i think i'll just finish simply the story :/ I wanted to finish all stories of all characters ect

[acoustic bolt]

ok THAT doesn't take that long

[sacred walrus]

I restarted the game this week. But for example : Thanatos, i think i saw him like 2 times in the Hall. The "duo boons" seem random ect

[acoustic bolt]

the duos have specific requirements, and you can increase your chance of finding them with things that increase your chance of a higher rarity boon

last run i got 2

[sacred walrus]

I would prefer an easier way to finish the game ^^ The fact that the "main story" takes some runs is cool. Same to unlock stories have the other characters (even if i think it's a bit long). But for the other things : you need so many "money" to finish it

For bounties, if you take for example level 3 bounties, do you unlock previous one ?

[vital tapir]

running 20 heat will work to achieve a 3 heat bounty, but won’t get you any extras

[acoustic bolt]

you don't get the previous ones

but also, this is a roguelike. the point of the game is to do a lot of runs. the story, which is great, is basically bonus.

[sacred walrus]

So to finish the game you have to farm like a MMORPG ? Leveling memories, doing each level of heat once will all weapons. You need a huge amount of Darkness/diamond/gems and only to unlock some decorations ect

Why making something "secondary" so long

[acoustic bolt]

it's only farming if you don't like playing the game i guess. you ever play isaac or enter the gungeon? it takes a long time to unlock everythign in those too.

[latent moon]

Decorations aren't even that important to the story for the most part

[sacred walrus]

@acoustic bolt I don't play that much roguelike, but what i like in Hades is the gameplay and even more the story. It's so rare to have story about Greek Mythology.
So if for roguelike players the story is secondary, why they don't give it faster so the players who just like to unlock it can stop after a while

[vital tapir]

there are like youtube videos if the story is all you care about

[acoustic bolt]

are you sure you like the gameplay because you're complaining that it takes long. but literally all roguelikes expect you to do dozens or hundreds of runs. it's the entire point of the genre

i liked the slow burn of the story personally

still having unlcoks after hundreds of runs feels great to me

[sacred walrus]

@acoustic bolt I played a bit too much this week-end, but yeah the gameplay is fine but i would say a bit repetitive sometimes

[acoustic bolt]

are you playing on PC? there are a bunch of mods that speed up the unlocks

the gameplay is repetitive because the fun of the genre is the slow burn and the value of becoming better over time. like a fighting game. it's about the practice not the novelty.

[sacred walrus]

I'm not that good, so maybe i have a bad winratio (restarted this week-end). But i know how it will be easy base on which God help me (Athena and Poseidon are op). But when you want to complete the game, you have sometimes to play with others so it becomes more difficult.

[acoustic bolt]

there's no shame in turning on god mode if the difficulty is too high, and the people here are always happy to help you learn

here's something that helped me a ton learning

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[sacred walrus]

I pretty much play randomly atm ^^ And most of the time when i die is because i play too fast. It's why Poseidon and Athena are op for me. You can go berserk and one shot every thing early game

[acoustic bolt]

i think you'll find that if you understand why something is powerful more gods will become "op" for you as well

Zeus is amazing on the gun or fists because it's a lot of tiny hits
Aphrodite is amazing on the weapons that have slower bigger hits like the spear or sword

It will feel like less of a slog if you're learning and getting better. If you're losing a lot and not sure what's wrong I can see how that becomes frustrating.

For the record I think Tidal Dash is the best boon in the game. It's probably wrong, but I share your love of Poseidon

[umbral summit]

Greatest Reflex is my favorite

[acoustic bolt]

ah but Splash Dash is what makes Reflex shine 😄

or ME

[umbral summit]

Nah, Reflex shines enough on its own

Others just enhance its lustre

[acoustic bolt]

oh man @high island you've been typing for 10 minutes and it's killing me

[high island]

Because things like the ranks from the resource director are specifically there for the most dedicated players to still have something to look forward to after hundreds of hours of playtime. They're "secondary" in that they're only cosmetic. You don't miss out on gameplay if you don't play that far. You don't miss out on story.

The main story and the epilogue can be finished way earlier. The game is finished after that. Everything after that is endgame. The side stories of other characters will wrap up soon after that, too, because when you have maxed out affinity with 6 of the Olympians already, you'll most likely have maxed out affinity with most of the other characters as well.

[acoustic bolt]

there it is XD

[umbral summit]

It does still take a long time to get enough nectars to reach the epilogue unless you already know the prerequisites and beeline for them

[high island]

So to finish the game you have to farm like a MMORPG ?
It's nowhere even close to actual MMORPGs if you want to actually 100% the game including all ranks etc.

[sacred walrus]

@high island I just hope that main and side stories won't take me too much time. After i understand that all the other things can take times (even if it seems pretty long to farm gems for cosmetics xD)

[high island]

Pretty close to your typical JRPG, I would say. https://howlongtobeat.com/game/62941

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah was about to say that in a much longer winded way

[dusky cypress]

danggggggg

would've beat EM4 FO1 w/o using a DD if I had entered the fight w/ the full 350 or so instead of like 250 xd

[native blade]

Simply become based 4head.

😁

[high island]

Well, to be fair, he used two and still lost.

[dusky cypress]

it do be like that sometimes

[remote iris]

sigil best keepsake

[old dawn]

the atk was on your run

's consistency

[acoustic bolt]

ouch

i've had that happen a bunch trying to find athena special for ME

[rustic vale]

Yes getting 350000+ darkness is a grueling task

[rustic vale]

Rad!

[acoustic bolt]

😄

[rustic vale]

I’m not too bothered by it all because if I didn’t get called out then I’d’ve just been wrong and continued to be wrong after the fact, possibly continuing to spread misinformation unintentionally

[twilit lodge]

You wrong for that

[high island]

No, he's right.

[twilit lodge]

True

Hmm what build to do for hesty 32 hmhm

[latent moon]

shackle or aphro atk lol

[lean timber]

or

haha lol or

arty attack and aphro special

teehee

[latent moon]

arty atk passion dash tbh

[lean timber]

until you remember that passion dash is approximately the size of a dime

[twilit lodge]

Hermes just called me a hot mess rude

Maybe I am at 5hp with SD popped

So what Hermes

Mind your business

[lean timber]

ayo this dude's taking damage! everyone, quick, point and laugh!

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-at-this-user-ryan-gosling-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-fail-meme-gif-22090542

[lean timber]

i think i accidentally

ate the silica gel pack

in the beef jerky

[twilit lodge]

Oops all silica packets

[latent moon]

sounds like a you issue tbh

[twilit lodge]

My honest reaction to that information

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033609477305417812/1033848563895107644/DeepFryer_20220921_221516.jpg

[vital tapir]

crit hestia

[twilit lodge]

Crustia

Man I need to find nyaanyaas 32 pact because this run was heck

Fo2 hl4 for some reason idk what I was doing

[rustic vale]

True.
Tbh I realise now that I hadn’t wanted to admit that I had mistakenly assumed so I made excuses

[twilit lodge]

Trying to find anything in the pins here is cursed

They’re all in varying channels

[rustic vale]

Sounds like a knowledge issue to me

[twilit lodge]

I will ask matty to stab you

[rustic vale]

I will ask @lean timber to stab me for you

[vital tapir]

recommended 32 pact is lc4 em4 ap2 td3 js3 fo1 bp1

[twilit lodge]

I’m doing HL5 FO0

[twilit lodge]

Perish

[vital tapir]

booooo

[rustic vale]

Literally deciding take take double damage instead of increasing enemy speed by 40% smh

[twilit lodge]

But dodging on FO0 is free

[vital tapir]

the math is mathing

[rustic vale]

But speed

[twilit lodge]

Me trying to speedrun 32

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-nah-man-im-cool-gif-17959808

[rustic vale]

You’re cool?
Debatable

[high island]

My pact isn't pinned anywhere.

[vital tapir]

hl1 js1 cp1 fo1 kinda multiplies out to less detriment than hl5

just don’t think about it at all

wait is fo1 2 or 3 heat

[twilit lodge]

Simply apply the sandpaper to your brain until smooth

[vital tapir]

right it’s bp that’s 2 then 3

[twilit lodge]

Both FO are 3 each

[vital tapir]

so you can even cut hl1

[high island]

I start all my guides with "Nyaanyaa's ____ Guide" so you can easily search for them by just searching for "nyaanyaa's guide".

[vital tapir]

~65% more damage instead of 100% more

[twilit lodge]

Nyaanyaa’s Guide to Locating Nyaanyaa’s Guides:

[high island]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

Right here.

[twilit lodge]

Thank you 🙂

[high island]

[twilit lodge]

Tisiphone chasing me for 3 seconds while her bubble is active

Instead of phasing

[vital tapir]

sorry not lc4, you want ri2

[twilit lodge]

TRUE

[rustic vale]

Nyaanyaa 32 pact:
Cf2
Js3
Cp2
Bp2
Mm
Hs
Ri4
Dc2
Td3
PL

/j

Also I think that pact might actually be impossible

[twilit lodge]

Cakewalk pact

HL0 FO0? Ez

Although you can’t HL0 with PL

Add HL1 drop HS

[gray apex]

You just need a real gamer to do it

[high island]

Doesn't look too bad if you get free aspect choice.

[twilit lodge]

Lv1 guan yu only

[gray apex]

That’s not bad

[tepid light]

lvl 1 guan yu would make me cry

[devout terrace]

winnable

[rustic vale]

I mean like literally impossible to use
Because I put PL in

Which indicates hellmode
Which would mean hl1 and lc1

[devout terrace]

I will actually play this game for the first time in 2 weeks just for you

[rustic vale]

Like

It isn’t a 32 heat pact

It’s a 34 heat pact

[twilit lodge]

Shackle trying to close Pandora’s box unsuccessfully:

[rustic vale]

Just switch out PL for lc1 or hl1 or something

Then it’s a 32 heat pact

[twilit lodge]

Drop one level of BP and then it’s 32

Wait no it’s 33 with LC1

Drop BP and HS ez

32 hellmode

[rustic vale]

Ig

[twilit lodge]

I’ve been convinced to start my HM save now

Single dashing through c1

[rustic vale]

Best 32 heat pact is actually fo10 + 2/3

[twilit lodge]

TD8

[rustic vale]

Nevermind fo9 2/3 and em2

True speedrunner pact

[devout terrace]

4:56 tart 🗿

[rustic vale]

Sub5-able tbh

Just use codex tech

[devout terrace]

I need RD

This is worse than 64 actually

[rustic vale]

What’s the build?

[devout terrace]

Since FO 0 is so damm slow

Zeus shield

[rustic vale]

True!

Jolted when no FO2

In general when no FO2

[icy knoll]

you need lc4 for dc0

[devout terrace]

I didnt get RD on ap0

I had 3 rolls

[twilit lodge]

Me when first run refuses to offer curse of agony

Only curse of pain

[devout terrace]

Lernie em0 lmao

[native blade]

Fated Persuasion? Cring.

Real alphas use Fated Authority.

[native blade]

Lel.

[twilit lodge]

Imaging cringing the best Hades player known to man

[devout terrace]

8:42 aspho

This is going splendidly

[high island]

That's probably not a sub 10 pace.

[devout terrace]

cap

[twilit lodge]

@native blade the Aphrodite theme costs 15 ambrosia

[high island]

Modded lets you do that, actually.

[twilit lodge]

Modded smelly

[native blade]

Yeah, what’s your point?

[devout terrace]

ok this is winnable I think

12:01 into 34

14:07 ely

[acoustic bolt]

You asked

[twilit lodge]

You literally just asked me how much it costs bruh

Bruh

Bruhhhhhhh

[acoustic bolt]

Bingus is just the only person who consistently goes to the right channel to talk so they were answering you in the appropriate place

[rustic vale]

True
I thought to mention it then got distracted

[acoustic bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-huh-what-up-dog-gif-18781858

[rustic vale]

Pacts without fo2 and em2 are cringe

[devout terrace]

done

18:55

first try

[old belfry]

a new world record

[acoustic bolt]

what are you trying to do?

[devout terrace]

.

[native blade]

I did? Well I finished it thanks tho.

[native blade]

O

[acoustic bolt]

is it the worst pact challenge or something?

[devout terrace]

yeah

[native blade]

I’m so sorry Azir

[devout terrace]

skill issue

[acoustic bolt]

no AP2

[native blade]

I thought u said Aphro’s bond.

Not theme.

So there’s multiple themes?

[old belfry]

a bunch

[devout terrace]

im gonna go to sleep now

[native blade]

Is there something you need to buy to unlock them or something?

[devout terrace]

I cant believe I actually played hades

[acoustic bolt]

I didn't even answer your question, Bingus did. I was just explaining why they were saying it

[native blade]

O.

[devout terrace]

incomprehensible

[rustic vale]

It’s definitely Nyaanyaa™️’s 32 heat pact

[devout terrace]

i posted in #h1-victory-boasting

[acoustic bolt]

You get the themes from the contractor

[native blade]

@twilit lodge I’m sorry, I misunderstood.

[devout terrace]

smoldering in sack room

[raw herald]

yoooooo unmodded 1:38 tart exit into no cshot asphodel + barge

[acoustic bolt]

wow 1:38

did you get 2 chaos, than, survival, mid shop, and story rooms?

[raw herald]

Nah was just good spawns

I had to play 11 and 12

[twilit lodge]

Actually they sacrificed cshot at the altar and hades just warp piped him to the mid biome

[twilit lodge]

Saul goodman

[acoustic bolt]

Oh right if you walk over the pipe at the end of tart lets you skip to world 3

[old belfry]

mario pipe sounds

[twilit lodge]

I was confused why it wasn’t showing Angel’s mirror choices

But then it hit me

[old belfry]

cursed pact

[twilit lodge]

No PL

[acoustic bolt]

@devout terrace Is that like a fresh file that you just continued to mess around on? Cause clearing 60 heat when you have less than 70 total clears is unbelievable.

[raw herald]

Yes

[devout terrace]

Its a max save file

It comes with the 50 clears on it

I think I have more than 70 clears nowadays

[raw herald]

Just a few

[latent moon]

Yeah 71

[devout terrace]

Im wondering what my total 60 amount is

I think its like 20-25 atleast

60+

[twilit lodge]

Angel is actually new

She should probably stick to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers

[rustic vale]

It’s definitely Nyaanyaa™️’s 32 heat pact

[rustic vale]

Just like matty

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987496174636380160/1033882389455310919/IMG_3442.jpg

[signal aspen]

where is

[twilit lodge]

Next to sissy

You just can’t see him

[hardy spear]

where is bophades

[acoustic bolt]

omfg i just died with shield at 9:29 and hades at 5%

i'm so mad

[signal aspen]

185 moment

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-seethe-seethe-seethe-mald-cope-seethe-seethe-cope-mald-gif-23782915

[rustic vale]

Aziraphale gameplay moment
I simply wouldn’t’ve died

[acoustic bolt]

i have no idea what this means but i'm certain it's not in any way helpful

[native blade]

It's not helpful, but it is funny.

[acoustic bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-rosa-diaz-i-hate-people-life-sucks-nothing-good-ever-happens-gif-19883732

[twilit lodge]

I think the meta strategy in this situation is to not die

[native blade]

Based.

[acoustic bolt]

ah yes kicking people while they're frustrated. very funny.

[native blade]

Well if you need comforting then:

I'm sorry.

https://tenor.com/view/hug-love-peace-gif-26159557

[rustic vale]

[native blade]

Ask next time tho.

ffs.

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/surinoel-head-scratch-headpats-cat-kitty-gif-15905620

[acoustic bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[raw herald]

how the hell do you guys go fast on kbm beo

[rustic vale]

Ask bigp

[twilit lodge]

I don’t

[raw herald]

i literally just had a 40s lernie that lost a dd

[twilit lodge]

Nyooooom

[raw herald]

let’s see if i can sub 10 this

[signal aspen]

bigp is my favorite kbm player

[rustic vale]

Idk

ask @signal aspen instead

Don’t listen to me

[signal aspen]

i literally havent speedran the game in like 5 months

[raw herald]

let’s gooooo patty

now I won’t die

[twilit lodge]

Spodrun*

[rustic vale]

I pulled a 4iq and assumed PC was synonymous with kbm

[raw herald]

i think I’m on sub 9 pace

[twilit lodge]

Hook up a keyboard and mouse to your switch to play kbm

[rustic vale]

If you try hard enough you’l hit sub4

[raw herald]

fr

just need to shave off 3:05

[rustic vale]

Easy

[twilit lodge]

Warp pipe

Play Zeus shield and instead of throwing your shield

Throw yourself

Through the doors

[rustic vale]

Delete boss bubbles from game files

[twilit lodge]

Blitz deez

[crystal star]

F

[rustic vale]

Use sudden rush to fly over asphodel’s lava instead of clearing rooms and using a wierd boat thing

[crystal star]

How to beat hades boss

[twilit lodge]

Use super soaker to fire backwards to increase your movement speed (works best with purple RD)

[crystal star]

Thanks

[high island]

Why use a shield when you can use Flying Cutter to just fly directly to the surface.

[rustic vale]

Reduce his hp to 0 while keeping your own above 0

[crystal star]

Whatever that means

[rustic vale]

True!

[crystal star]

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

This is a pro tip that actually applies to many many games

[raw herald]

quick

what’s call

kbm

button

[twilit lodge]

Uhhh

Lmao

[rustic vale]

alt+f4

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing

[raw herald]

gg

wait i can just check settings

[twilit lodge]

Simply check settings

[rustic vale]

actually map dash to alt and strike to f4 🧠

[high island]

f

[signal aspen]

thats illegal

[twilit lodge]

TRUE

run invalidated

[raw herald]

LOL

I died in the hades fight

[rustic vale]

I already commit lernie tax evasion, what’s one more crime on top of that in the grand scheme of things

[twilit lodge]

Rip

[raw herald]

im so cracked at this game

[twilit lodge]

Have you tried this strategy

[rustic vale]

Works 100% of the time

[raw herald]

i was literally button mashing the hades fight

i dont know how to play kbm beo

[signal aspen]

i button mash while playing beo too

[raw herald]

dang

[twilit lodge]

All you have to do

[raw herald]

is that how you got sub 7 32 heat

[twilit lodge]

Is use the keyboard to search Amazon for a controller

[signal aspen]

yes

[raw herald]

i almost got a sub 7 today

the game just hates me 💪

[rustic vale]

[high island]

KBM Hades felt miserable the one time I tried it with Eris.

[twilit lodge]

Rip

I barely survived my 40 EM3

Fo2 em3seus is hell on wheels

[native blade]

Seetheus.

[chilly pond]

SEETHEVS COPICVS MAXIMVS VLTIMA

[native blade]

Indeed.

[latent moon]

Yep

[magic fern]

I have a double shot+explosive shot rama run and it shoots so slow but does so much damage

[high island]

Explosive Shot Rama is pretty close to how slow the Attack charged during Early Access.

[magic fern]

that sounds like utter pain

at least explosive shot does 1000 damage with shared suffering+privileged status+double shot

[high island]

Rama meta in high heat was mostly Special-only or not fully charging your Dash-Strikes.

Well, it was a little bit faster than Explosive Rama now, but not much.

[magic fern]

oh yeah I should use dash strike on bow more

[graceful shard]

how do i even get past cerberus

[chilly pond]

you have to go down the paths to the left

[lean timber]

ew stop talking about explosive rama

immediately!!

[chilly pond]

in one of them, you will find a Satyr Sack, a bag filled with delicious tasty rats, with which you can bribe Cerberus away from the exit

don't even think about fighting him, he's a good boy

also he could swallow you whole

[lean timber]

he is also completely invincible

[chilly pond]

that too

[twilit lodge]

• Powershot window for a normal attack with Explosive Shot on Rama - 2520-2650 ms

[lean timber]

think if you make him mad he should stomp on you and take a DD

[lean timber]

shut up!!!

i hate explosive rama!!

[brisk trail]

why is mirage shot so popular

a 2nd shot thats 30% dmg isnt that weak af

[spice hearth]

Because it’s bugged on Beowulf

[rustic vale]

is good on beowulf because bugged for 100% damage

is good in general because it's pretty much just a 30% multiplier to your cast damage on non beo aspects

[brisk trail]

bugged as in like a wrong code?

[spice hearth]

I guess? We never knew why it was never fixed

[brisk trail]

but isnt 30% of ur original damage tiny?

[spice hearth]

And it’s definitely never getting fixed now

[rustic vale]

I guess it has to do with the distinction between flares and casts

[spice hearth]

Since SGG has moved on

[raw herald]

Not really, its multiplicative and strips armour more easily

[rustic vale]

effectively a 30% multiplier on your cast damage

[brisk trail]

i c

[rustic vale]

not additive

multiplicative

[high island]

Mirage Shot gud.

Double Shot better.

Double Shot = Mirage Shot but t2 from Lady Artemis and pommable.

When Fully Loaded was still +3 and easy to get.

Surprisingly, virtually every other victory screen at the time was a Cast build.

[twilit lodge]

The bug is that the second hit doesn’t do 30% like it says (on Beowulf)

[high island]

Oh and Master Chaos's boon pool was smaller, so easier to get Grasp or Shot.

[twilit lodge]

The second hit does full cast damage

[high island]

And item pool in the Well was smaller, so easier to get braid and stone.

No Dark Foresight though.

Sometimes I wish Hades had version select.

[sonic grove]

hi i just woke up and actually jokingly did a 20 heat run with no experience whatsoever and found the thing that triggers charon's fight again

(i only recently found out you can fight charon and it was not fun)

do i do it for the discount or is losing all 3 DDs not worth it

[twilit lodge]

If it’s early you might not be strong enough

Especially on heat you’re not used to

[sonic grove]

(THIS WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA)

[twilit lodge]

[sonic grove]

lost my winstreak lets go

getting hit by charon every time always gets me like

[twilit lodge]

Rip

[vital tapir]

economy

[twilit lodge]

In this economy?

[lean timber]

thanks

[twilit lodge]

Started a hellmode file

This is pain

Run 2 zagbow with nothing but 1DD

Suffering

13:11 LernieBone Hydra enter

[slim geyser]

I feel like im getting deja vu from this and i cant tell how

[rustic vale]

Charon bag >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dd’s

Just find patty later

[twilit lodge]

True

[chilly pond]

i mean, you're also kinda like.. rich after that

[twilit lodge]

It really is that simple

[chilly pond]

so you can buy the DD's back

well, at least one of em

[twilit lodge]

In this economy? You can buy one and a half back

[chilly pond]

charon just keeps minting more and more of those coins ya know... inflation's running pretty high...

[rustic vale]

Why buy dd’s smh

[twilit lodge]

Not me on run3 hellmode with breaking wave that I’m setting off with sword thrust combo because I only have one cast stone for flood shot

[rustic vale]

Just find patty

[twilit lodge]

I refuse to take splash dash because I’m holding out for Athena

As I enter ely

[chilly pond]

ok but counterpoint

cursed slash excalibur

dont even care about dd's

[twilit lodge]

Cursed slash is one of the few accurately labeled hammers

[rustic vale]

Cursed slash excalibur

[twilit lodge]

(It is cursed)

[rustic vale]

Is still a nerf

[twilit lodge]

Alexa search google for TheGamer articles recommending cursed slash for Excalibur

[chilly pond]

i don't feel the nerf but i'm not even to 5 heat yet

[cyan anvil]

Help I sunk 10 hours into dead cells in four days

[rustic vale]

Wrong server

[twilit lodge]

I’ll send a St Bernard

[chilly pond]

all i know is i'm pretty much always max health

[cyan anvil]

Also 49 hours in hades but we don’t talk about it

[rustic vale]

I think I have

325 hours in hades?

Lemme check

[twilit lodge]

Max health: 50hp

I have played hades 210 hours or more

[chilly pond]

128

[rustic vale]

345 hours whoops

It’s catching up to breath of the wild

Only 20 hours behind

[twilit lodge]

Time for run 3 heroes

[latent moon]

lmao i have 304

[twilit lodge]

And dead

[latent moon]

based

are you doing 40 heat again

[twilit lodge]

No no I’m dead

[latent moon]

well were you tho

[twilit lodge]

Made a hell mode save

[latent moon]

oh lmao

that doesn't sound fun

[twilit lodge]

Run 3 got to heroes

[latent moon]

that's not bad

[twilit lodge]

I finally got my Athena

[latent moon]

what weapon

[twilit lodge]

In ely endshop

Stygius

[latent moon]

oh rough

[twilit lodge]

Run 2 was zag bow which is EXCRUCIATINGLY BAD

[latent moon]

lmao yeah

[twilit lodge]

at the start of a new file

[latent moon]

should've done bow run3 for the hammer

and hope for twin/triple

or perfect

[twilit lodge]

Rip time to restart

[latent moon]

f

[twilit lodge]

Instead I had piercing wave zag sword

With common doom

I got ares keepsake now at least

[latent moon]

fun

[lean timber]

one day bro 😭

one singular day

kekkin

[latent moon]

true

[twilit lodge]

4:47 Hera by croven :o

[latent moon]

this is a croven moment

rip bigp

[lean timber]

was a great sport about it

[vital tapir]

the 4:47 in croven’s “wr snipes” folder a day after big p’s run:

[lean timber]

he has one for each second

down to three minutes

[brisk trail]

is gifting bouldy worth it??

it gives such a low damage boost

[prisma wind]

It's not always damage, but the buffs aside you should always gift Bouldy to avoid having a cursed run

[brisk trail]

lmao ok

what exactly are the companions

are they dolls

[prisma wind]

In the literal sense, sure. Stuffed animals is maybe more accurate

[lean timber]

little stuffies

and they're awesome

i wish they appeared in the boon select menu somewhere

[lean timber]

idk cast +10% has carried runs before

[high island]

@dull niche congratulations! And thank you for defending Hera yet again.

Beowulf mains in shambles.

[lean timber]

as they should be

[high island]

Croven: has uncontested WR for 8 months

BigP: beats Croven's WR by 1 second

Croven:

https://tenor.com/view/mj-michael-jordan-bulls-chicago-gif-21085992

[lean timber]

literally said no

[spice hearth]

the emotional support alone is worth it

[dusky cypress]

What else are u doing with the nectar anyways, only costs 50 gemstones anyways lol

[old dawn]

wait until you get chainhit and you'll see why it's not good

[high island]

Cursed Slash Excalibur is fine.

[chilly flume]

Why people talk about 32 heat as a benchmark?
Is there anything special about this level?

[high island]

Need to do 32 to get the last of Skelly's prizes.

[chilly flume]

Skelly prizes, eh?
Alright, I have to see those lol

When do they start? Heat 8?

[high island]

Yup.

8 → 16 → 32

[chilly flume]

I believe that is my next heat iirc

Thanks

[lean timber]

coincidentally, 32 is the gate to "high heat"

[native blade]

Skelly's prizes?

Do I just gotta win or do sumn else?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031568485857370113/1034030623632932904/unknown.png

[high island]

You need to escape at least 5 times for Skelly to tell you about it. It'll also be added to the Fated List of Minor Prophecies then.

[hardy spear]

there are some things you can interact with at the bottom of the courtyard

[native blade]

THANK YOU!!!!

[peak orbit]

Guys help

I accidentally deleted my old save file

I slipped and the save file is gone

What do I do

[lean timber]

are you on console or pc?

[peak orbit]

PC

OK SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONE FOREVER

WOw game

I decided to start a new slot and instead it registered on my old one

Thanks

[spice hearth]

Oh like you overwrote it?

[peak orbit]

i iddn't know that was possible

i guess the file is gone too

[spice hearth]

Maybe reach out to #h1-tech-support? Maybe they can help

[shrewd void]

Hallo

[spice hearth]

Hi!

[pastel monolith]

perfect excuse to start a fresh file!

if u on pc u can just download an existing file with everything unlocked

[rustic vale]

Perfect excuse to start running fresh file runs

[pastel monolith]

lol yess

fresh file is sooo so hard

i have never passed the elysium busses

tbf i havent tried THAT much with fresh files.. but im sure i would die at hades if i could even get to him

[rustic vale]

Busses 🤨

Tbf ff is really just :
Hit Merciful End
Don’t have a skissue

[pastel monolith]

lol bosses*

the skissue thing my problem lol

im not very good with the sword

[old dawn]

zagspect on sword never really clicked for me

[rustic vale]

Zagsword best sword

[gray apex]

Sword is tough in general

[twilit lodge]

Zword go nyooom

[rustic vale]

but sword is annoying I feel like I haven’t got the dstrikes down proper

[old dawn]

unless i get something like flurry slash and piercing wave or some variant i just can't play with it

[twilit lodge]

flurry slash

[old dawn]

arthur felt much easier to control

[rustic vale]

Flurry slash

Bruh

Zag sword is purely for rd damage tbh

Or meme flurry slash runs

[old dawn]

i do like memes

[pastel monolith]

i got 32 heat with zag sword fury slash yesterday and zeus on attack.. it wasnt pretty but i somehow did it

[gray apex]

32 heat is more about having decent fundamentals and a good pact rather than getting a crazy build or insane rng

[rustic vale]

All aspects 32 heat seems like something I should get around to

Adding it to the list

[gray apex]

Do 40

[twilit lodge]

40 is pain

[rustic vale]

I can hardly do 32

[old dawn]

already practicing hl5 fo2 because i hate myself

and lc

[gray apex]

Good stuff

[rustic vale]

FO2

Still not used to lc4 myself

[pastel monolith]

im workin on all aspect 32 heat and ur right its all about choosing the right pacts.. but also getting good at how to use each weapon effectively.. its making be better overall

my lowest is 27 now i have a bunch of aspects at 27

i think like 5 or 6 at 32 or higher

[old dawn]

i wonder if someone will ever try a 1 hp run

you get hit you die

[pastel monolith]

haelian did it

[old dawn]

nice

[pastel monolith]

on em 4 even

[gray apex]

Hitless is doable yea

[pastel monolith]

and he didnt allow himself to use dodge or things that block attacks like athena

[twilit lodge]

But what weapon

Inb4 beo

[rustic vale]

👍

[pastel monolith]

ive attempted it.m ive done each part without getting hit separately but never all together

he used hestia with artemis attack

[twilit lodge]

Oh based

[old dawn]

damn

sniper

[gray apex]

People even speedrun hitless

[rustic vale]

Speedrun getting hit as many times as possibleo

[pastel monolith]

i think for em4 he used the chaos egg so he could take chaos gates without getting hurt

[old dawn]

how do you enforce that on yourself tho
do you quit when you get hurt or just mod yourself to have 1 hp no dd/sd permanently

[twilit lodge]

Victory subtitle

[old dawn]

ah

[twilit lodge]

Also idk how that person did it

[pastel monolith]

just enforced it himself

[twilit lodge]

I just know there’s a victory subtitle for hitless

[pastel monolith]

and chat watching him to keep him honest lol

[old dawn]

dayum

[pastel monolith]

i think they are on yt.. if u wana search haelian hades no hit

[rustic vale]

Hitless speedrun using fo2 to make it faster 🧠

[pastel monolith]

i think he was the first person to do it.. and then he did em4 later

[twilit lodge]

Hitless pacifist run when

[rustic vale]

Hitless aspect of b*ng*s run when?

[pastel monolith]

he did em4 hades with a AFK revenge build once and somehow it was more intense than any other fight ive ever seen lol

[rustic vale]

ME
CoV holy shield
Vengeful mood

[pastel monolith]

oo would that work?

[rustic vale]

So long as you pick up curse of vengeance before holy shield

[pastel monolith]

y does the order matter?

does it hit in the order u picked them up?

[rustic vale]

otherwise holy shield proks before the doom

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

Yes

[pastel monolith]

iiiinteresting

[old dawn]

o

good to know boon order indeed matters

[pastel monolith]

ive done afk hades em1 before its fun but its nothin special its rly not that difficult just need a bit of luck

[rustic vale]

Only for revenge boons to my knowledge

[pastel monolith]

with rng

[rustic vale]

Em1 kinda irrelevant

[pastel monolith]

ya i dont think i rly had em1 i just meant not em4

regular old hades man

i mightbhave had some heats on so i could acess potential erebus gates i dont rly remember

ive done it a few times

its rly satisfying for some reason

i saw someone do it without even getting vengeful mood

the key is curse of vegeance and zeus and a bunch of extras that go along with them rly

and p status

[rustic vale]

just get jolt and impending doom

and rd

[heavy blaze]

Hey can I ask for something really dumb? I keep playing with really easy mode enabled basically, this isn't..... bad right? I have disorders that make video games hard but I still feel like "Oh other people have all these cool things meanwhile I'm struggling to beat the main story"

[umbral summit]

Nothing wrong with that

Companies rarely put lower difficulties into games to shame players for choosing them

And players that act like lower difficulties are shameful shouldn't be listened to

Don't feel bad if you feel you need it, as everyone plays at their own pace

[heavy blaze]

Thanks, sorry, I was just celebrating finishing my first 10 loops, and then the person who gifted me the game was like "Oh I did that quicker and without easy mode" and it made me feel bad

[umbral summit]

Whether he was being malicious or just insensitive, do your best to give it no thought

[heavy blaze]

Thank you

[swift inlet]

Hades is one game in particular that does quite well with easy mode since there's a good bit of focus on the story

Tons of gameplay depth, but unlike Soulsborne games it's not 99% of the experience for everyone

[native blade]

Yep

[swift inlet]

You still have to deal with the same enemies, learn the same patterns, fight them the same way, but they only gradually start to do less damage, and you still have to do a lot of failing to get to a point where it's a significant damage reduction

[native blade]

God Mode is the best ez modes I’ve ever seen in a game bar none.

[native blade]

https://youtu.be/Km3UceCBsR4

[swift inlet]

Honestly, if those games ever did decide to implement any kind of easy mode, Hades' is ideal

[native blade]

Don’t wanna give you homework but maybe it’ll help you understand there’s nothing to be ashamed about

[swift inlet]

Since all this would still apply to those games

[native blade]

Yep.

What dmg resistance are u at rn btw?

[rustic vale]

There isn’t anything to be ashamed about using it

is just

Idk

I think when someone gets to the point where they can confidently play the game without it is really rad self improvement on their part

[heavy blaze]

I don't fully remember but I think around 55% after my first clear

[native blade]

Nuce.

I’m at 80

[heavy blaze]

(I also just feel like an idiot because I almost 100% rely on the left click attack, not using special or casting or anything)

[rustic vale]

I’m at 20% 😎

[native blade]

Lel.

[rustic vale]

It really depends on your aspect whether you’ll be casting or specialing

ot attacking

And others not at all

[heavy blaze]

I'm using default sword rn

But like when I see the boons for casting and special I just go "Sweet, free money"

[umbral summit]

Apparently with the most common pom scaling, level 99 comes out to 3 times as potent as the level 1 strength

[rustic vale]

That’s nem

[rustic vale]

That’s very untrue on hangover boons

It can be nem forward

[umbral summit]

Then hangover boons must not use the most common pom scaling

[rustic vale]

Have you ever used a hangover boon?

[umbral summit]

yeah

[rustic vale]

it’s a linear increase each pom after first

of 1

[umbral summit]

Right, same as the global crit boon

[rustic vale]

At level 99 your hangover will be (nonpommed damage +100) for drunken strike or drunken flourish

And tidal dash is already at approximately 3* initial strength by like level 10

[rustic vale]

Give or take a few levels based on the rarity

[umbral summit]

You're basically capped by level 10 for a lot of boons

For example, the first 20 levels for Curse of Agony, which uses the normal pom scaling are:
50
80
101
115.7
125.99
133.193
138.2351
141.76457
144.235199
145.9646393
147.1752475
148.0226733
148.6158713
149.0311099
149.3217769
149.5252438
149.6676707
149.7673695
149.8371586
149.886011

Minus rounding

[twilit lodge]

[umbral summit]

Not sure how Hades handles that

[twilit lodge]

Where are you getting these numbers

I don’t think any Pom scaling goes below 1.0 per Pom

[devout terrace]

this is wrong

[rustic vale]

Bronze skin moment

[umbral summit]

It's possible that there's a minimum of +1 per pom level

So the tiny decimal levels still give a whole point

[devout terrace]

there is a minimum +3 on doom poms

[rustic vale]

That looks wrong

[devout terrace]

just like there is a minimum of 1 on zeus attack and 3 on zeus special

[umbral summit]

Okay yeah, if there's a hardcoded minimum, then that'll change it

[devout terrace]

tidal dash is 5 if I recall correctly

[umbral summit]

I found the general pom formula on reddit, but it didn't list all the different minimum values

[twilit lodge]

There’s a minimum of 2 on storm lightning

[devout terrace]

reddit

[twilit lodge]

Lv99 storm lightning so your Zeus strikes bounce to 200 targets

Reddit is a bad source of data for Hades in future btw

[umbral summit]

So then level 99 normal rarity Curse of Agony would be roughly 418

[twilit lodge]

Mainly because of out of date sources through the development of the game

[acoustic bolt]

is there anything i can do to make darkness farming faster besides chaos boons? just want to make sure i'm doing everything i can

[rustic vale]

Reddit is a very bad source of Hades information in my experience

[twilit lodge]

But also due to the fact that all redditors are bad at hades

[acoustic bolt]

obviously taking purple weapon too

[rustic vale]

Oceans bounty from poseidon

Being faster

bring bouldy

[acoustic bolt]

you be faster

[twilit lodge]

Taking bouldy darkness

[umbral summit]

Clear non-heat runs as fast as you can for the darkness from the bosses

[acoustic bolt]

ok cool didn't know oceans bounty effected it

yeah i'm doing 9 heat that's basically no heat

[umbral summit]

Or well, not non-heat, but heat lower than what gives you new rewards

[twilit lodge]

Get oceans bounty and then exclusive access

For epic chaos eclipses 8)

[acoustic bolt]

lol clutch

ok so start tdash every time and try t o find dio

[twilit lodge]

Sell all your ambrosia for 500 darkness

[umbral summit]

Also purchase extra troves when you see them in charon pools

[twilit lodge]

See chaos fishing points ever

Unlike me

[acoustic bolt]

chaos fish give darkness?

[twilit lodge]

Troves smelly tbh