It’s a normal mode file
#h1-discussion
rustic vale
latent moon
PL is probably the least concerning one
rustic vale
I assume
twilit lodge
Unmodded gaming
high island
Just play more.
rustic vale
Smh just grind the game like a real gamer
lean timber
okay but why is the ground circled. that insignia is always there
latent moon
Lmfao
twilit lodge
okay but why is the ground circled. that insignia is always there
Because he was asking if that’s Cerberus mom
rustic vale
okay but why is the ground circled. that insignia is always there
Never noticed it before
lean timber
:(( cerberus' family is immortal
twilit lodge
Here
rustic vale
No cereberus’ mom is actually an immortal penguin
Save scummed skelly one to many times
You can disable hellmode?
twilit lodge
Imagine modding your save and then having issues
lean timber
lol
rustic vale
Imagine being a nerd and using cheats smh
Lmfao going into game files I thought you meant literally in game
lean timber
what the hell kinda cracked ass stuff is this
bro you're all kinds of screwed up lmao
proper garnet
Hi guys ! any news on a Hades DLC ? 
rustic vale
I think you should probably take the link down
high island
Hi guys ! any news on a Hades DLC ? <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
Very unlikely. Check pins.
lean timber
"indian youtubers" are very reliable and trustworthy as we all know
rustic vale
Hmm I wonder why linking a sus 3rd party app to modify your copy of Hades in the Hades discord wouldn’t be ok
high island
Hmm I wonder why linking a sus 3rd party app to modify your copy of Hades in the...
The moderators in the past have just pointed to the Hades Modding Discord that's pinned in #self-promotion for discussion of mods.
twilit lodge
He doesn’t use mods tho
lean timber
well technically lol
twilit lodge
He just uses .exe files from random internet Indians
rustic vale
Hi guys ! any news on a Hades DLC ? <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
Story concluded and is already so complex that adding new things wouldn’t make too much sense without retcons? I don’t remember much
That’s what I think I heard
lean timber
i think it's more that they don't feel the story needs anything else
twilit lodge
Ok fr I’m going to bed now
rustic vale
i think it's more that they don't feel the story needs anything else
That too
An expert who now has a messed up save file
lean timber
does your expertise include following random youtube videos' advice that link to 3rd party malware lol
twilit lodge
That’s why you needed a program to modify what’s probably just a json file
lean timber
*might
primal sage
Is anyone here who completed all the entries in the codex even the ones for the chaos fish?
high island
I have, yes.
rustic vale
Is anyone here who completed all the entries in the codex even the ones for the ...
Yes
Me
there are multiple chaos fish
lean timber
bruh
primal sage
How many hours do u all have in the game?
lean timber
320
fast kill
what is that, a one tap cheat?
what's the point of playing at that point lmao
the statues only go up to 32 lmao
8, 16, 32
game doesn't care about 64
that's why the game doesn't care
you're not supposed to beat it
vital tapir
chaos fish suck ass
lean timber
they're cool 😦 they give darkness
vital tapir
i’ve gotten like 6 perfect catches in a row and they’re all the rare
no legendary in my codex over like 150 runs
lean timber
that's just random luck, nothing to do with chaos lol
it's a 50% chance of being a legendary or a rare
lean timber
ehhhh yeah i suppose that's fair
visit chaos three times every run
and just like that he screwed himself again. impeccable
vital tapir
i usually only skip chaos if there’s a hammer or a new god i rlly want in the next chamber
lean timber
how's that hack treating u now
cyan crown
I need quick advice rn
lean timber
sup
cyan crown
I have got 3 options for spear
Vicious skewer
Flaring spin
And massive spin
What do I go for
vital tapir
flaring spin is useless
lean timber
oof i don't run spear lol
cyan crown
I'm on achilles
lean timber
skewer easy
vital tapir
i think vicious doesn’t work on achilles properly
cyan crown
Damn
lean timber
hmm
vital tapir
like the rush doesn’t get crit chance
cyan crown
U sure?
vital tapir
they’re both fine, just take the one you feel like
lean timber
yeah idk what to tell u on that i don't remember the hammers/aspects
vital tapir
ok it does work with vicious idk why i thought it didn’t
high island
@dire plaza if you need help restoring your save or game, you might wanna move it to #h1-tech-support.
vital tapir
massive is fun anyway
high island
Alright.
devout terrace
devout terrace
feelsbadman
lean timber
high island
And if you need help with any mods, you're better off asking in the modding discord.
Looks a bit low on resources to me.
lean timber
i think you need more nectar
rustic vale
Why go to hellmode
Only to make your own godmode on it
Cool gamers… at least in my opinion
Do turn on highest difficulty ✅
Do not hack/mod/whatever you want to call it their game to make it easier ❌
buoyant harbor
I don't understand it either, but honestly you do you. Everyone enjoys the game differently.
If it's fun to you, that's perfect. Exactly what a game's supposed to be: fun.
rustic vale
True but also
My opinion is unarguable objective fact 100% of the time
lean timber
cool gamers always try their hardest and do their best to have fun 😄
rustic vale
H2O
I think I’m just biased against your existence at this point and I’m not sure if it’s reversible
lean timber
💀
lean timber
I think I’m just biased against your existence at this point and I’m not sure if...
- Be kind. This is an international, diverse community whose common ground is an interest in our games. As a member of this community, we expect you to contribute to an environment where everyone feels welcome and included. Be accepting and respectful. Avoid being inflammatory.
vital tapir
oh come on nobody follows that rule
rustic vale
> 1. Be kind. This is an international, diverse community whose common ground is...
Only bad thing ssg ever created was that rule for the server smh
slash jay
rustic vale
yeah the joke was that it was a bad thing
lean timber
i understood the joke the first time shackle bestest keepsake my dear friend
rustic vale
I needed to clear up that the joke wasn’t that it was the only bad thing ssg had ever created
cyan crown
Man I've got my hunting blades on achilles
Should I look for heart rend
Ik aphros in the pool
rustic vale
Better to look for mirage shot or deadly reversal I think
cyan crown
Deadly reversal?
rustic vale
wait you already have aphrodite in pool
cyan crown
Yeah
rustic vale
Sure look for it
cyan crown
Okay
rustic vale
Deadly reversal?
Athena + artemis duo
cyan crown
The casts do sm DMG tho
Damn I've got Athena in the pool as well
I'm not forcing pos then just gonna look for Athena or aphro
rustic vale
+20% crit chance on everything for a few seconds after deflecting means better casting
cyan crown
Okay
rustic vale
You just need an athena boon on attack or special and an artemis boon on something that isn’t dash
lean timber
hunter dash being an invalid prereq on so many duos sucks
rustic vale
Is cringe true
lean timber
i deserve to have hunter dash give me mirage shot
rustic vale
I want athena flare to give me deadly reversal
rustic vale
What else would it mean
lean timber
you could theoretically be talking hera incorrectly lol
that doesn't make any sense how is phalanx flare not a prerep
prereq
vital tapir
isn’t it just attack and special
rustic vale
Why isn’t holy shield an ME and desdly reversal prerequisite
rustic vale
isn’t it just attack and special
Yes
this isn’t talking about that game as it is now 
vital tapir
why does curse of vengeance qualify for curse of nausea
rustic vale
why does curse of vengeance qualify for curse of nausea
Because it’s a curse
And curses are gaming
cyan crown
Fr Hera so fun man
rustic vale
Exit wounds is not why hera is good
I don’t know how to build hera
I just know exit wounds ain’t it
lean timber
it's not beo is way better
rustic vale
Matty is a discount beo player he can tell you all about it
Beo good because flares for the most part are good
And mirage shot bug
And cshot
hera good because ???
lean timber
i can tell you about it but i won't lol
rustic vale
i can tell you about it but i won't lol
Matty can’t tell us why hera is better than beo that’s why he won’t talk
rustic vale
Beo good because flares for the most part are good
And mirage shot bug
And cshot
And also because it’s a shield
shield good
Shield block things
Well you’re mixing bow(good damage) with cast(good damage) for… better damage
Ez explaination on why hera good
That isn’t absurd
lean timber
that is particularly average damage
rustic vale
And?
lean timber
bro took true shot hera
lean timber
ricochet fire on hera yes
rustic vale
why not twin shot? Matty am I missing something
rustic vale
have casts? No
lean timber
no
rustic vale
because doubling your bow damage is good
lean timber
because double attack damage is good
you don't need the arrow's range at all
it's just a nice benefit
rustic vale
you don't need the arrow's range at all
👍
“Exit wounds does 800 damage and 1600 if it crits”
How tf did you lose -100% of your crit multiplier
amd
What are you using to give exit wounds a crit chance?
Triple
Could even 4.5* with heart rend
It can crit off of hunters mark yes
Anything can crit off of hunters mark
lean timber
how did you reach exit wounds doing 800 without 4 casts and lv. 4 epic exit wounds
triple is great
yes
rustic vale
No it’s based as hell /s
buoyant harbor
PP?
rustic vale
buoyant harbor
If one of them crits, that's 800 damage.
rustic vale
Proof that matty thinks it’s based
buoyant harbor
200 + 200 + 600.
rustic vale
A not large amount of global % tbf
lean timber
i mean you can? if you really want to? but crush shot is worlds better almost every single time
phalanx shot has some funny backstab stuff that makes it viable but it's not on the level of aphrodite
yes
devout terrace
64 heat when
lean timber
soon, angel, soon
lean timber
i run passion flare on hera nbd
rustic vale
I ran true shot on hera and matty called it perfect
lean timber
yes yes you can stop fangirling over me now
random pilot
is there a way to keep replaying the same hades fight?
high island
This is the build you want for Hera: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit
rustic vale
I just wanted to say that true shot is obviously the best cast
random pilot
am at the point before entering and i like the build
rustic vale
is there a way to keep replaying the same hades fight?
Not that I know of
lean timber
surely with mods
just summon the boss in the courtyard and give yourself the build back?
signal aspen
am at the point before entering and i like the build
You can make a savestate on pc
rustic vale
At that point just use a mod that lets you fight hades with whatever you want
Surely that exists
rustic vale
That’s supposed to be illegal on cast builds
lean timber
no
rustic vale
games giving it to you for prophecy now you’ll never see it again when playing a castpect
/j
lean timber
bro had heroic cast and only leveled it one (1) time
if you transferred all those poms to cast instead of stupid exit wounds you could have had a brutal build
nice quick reload tho
high island
is there a way to keep replaying the same hades fight?
Nyaanyaa's Practice Saves Guide
Save files are in ...\Documents\Saved Games\Hades.
Get into the chamber you want to practice, then backup your Profile1_Temp.sav in a new folder called "practice saves" or whatever you like. Rename the temp.sav to something descriptive like "EM3 Eris Heartbreak Strike" or whatever, so that you know what it's for later.
When you want to practice the fight, replace Profile2.sav or whichever slot with your practice save. Then just start the game and load your save from profile 2. (If you're not starting in the fight, open the menu and "Give Up". Then load the save again.) You should be in the fight now.
When you win the fight or die, open the menu (during the death animation), select "Give Up", then reload the save, and you'll be at the beginning of the fight again.
lean timber
pc users have one (1) advantage over console and it's that
what
i hate you so much
i have a severe buildup of hatred for you
high island
@dire plaza I also wrote a more general Cast Build Guide myself if you're interested: #h1-builds-and-combat message
rustic vale
i have a severe buildup of hatred for you
Same
lean timber
hmm...
i don't actually know what that might look like
definitely think it might make you prone to losing your casts as they fly off to kill the already-dead enemies
cyan crown
I wonder if this would be gd on hera
lean timber
this is hera
lean timber
yeah that's the problem with athena cast
and true shot
and posideon cast
and all of the others
they get lost like that sometimes
yeah that happens a lot with every cast except crush shot
this is half of why we run it
high island
Tbh you just gotta learn to time and aim your shots better. And don't fire them all like that at the start of the fight because they'll all go flying like that if he goes invisible right there.
Aiming your shots is definitely gonna be easier on pad with auto-aim tbf.
lean timber
oh lol yeah auto aim is goated
until it gets stuck on the wrong enemy and you can't get it off so you have to fire and waste time getting your casts back
or until it switches enemies and the last moment and zag doesn't turn fast enough and you fire at a completely random open spot
or when it just does not lock on for some reason
or when it
high island
@dire plaza so what you wanna do when the fight vs Hades begins is summon Meg, then dash up (load your Casts while doing that), then fire from more or less point-blank when you see that he didn't go invisible.
Meg is a guaranteed hit if you summon her right away.
And generally, the closer you are when you fire, the less time for your target to move out of the way.
lean timber
shifters:
high island
Don't evade the swear filter btw. It's there for a reason. 
rugged basalt
I thought you just keep talking to her and it'll unlock on its own
Thats how i did with mine
Lmao
But sure
swift inlet
1:08 c9 that's what we live for
Yooo
lean timber
2:11
swift inlet
Oh
Wtf happened in the other rooms
Did you already burn fountain/midshop/mini/sisyphus
Oh survival too
lean timber
i got them all yeah
mid/miniboss/sisyphus/survival
no than/fountain
but yeah i got nice n boned in the back half
sad
swift inlet
What were the enemy patterns
cyan crown
um can any1 tell me how to counter the green wave during the hades fight
okay so i have to time it ig
ah
fickle hearth
Just got parting shot what builds is it good for?
latent moon
Mainly just Hera tbh
fickle hearth
L I got more ambrosia than nectar
cyan crown
Me too
fickle hearth
Caught a fish and that gave me like 5
fickle hearth
Ahh aspect of eris is fun
snow skiff
Parting shot is good for nothing
fickle hearth
Ended up with crystal clarity and lightning rod this time
Crystal clarity was nice for demeter cast
latent moon
Parting shot is good for nothing
Good for gold and UC fodder
cyan crown
Is Mirage shot gd with beo?
twilit lodge
To say the least
mint coral
Is Mirage shot gd with beo?
Bugged so its double dmg (dmg reduction of 2nd cast doesnt apply) on flares so yrah is good
latent moon
the mirage shot bug is pretty much the reason why beo is extremely popular
there's a ton of other things that it's got going for it, but that bug is one of the bigger ones
cyan crown
Okay
twilit lodge
Can you imagine
twilit lodge
I see things went well after I went to bed
swift inlet
Giant aoe + cshot for more giant aoe + shield + easy mirage access + doesn't lose cast stones the way hera can
- dropping stones easily if you haven't scaled enough yet
Intended mirage shot only does 65% as bugged, but it's still one of the few multiplicative sources of damage so it's still huge
high island
Beowulf was already very popular for casual and high heat before we discovered the bug, just not so much for speedruns.
brisk trail
is beo or zeus stronger at ~40 heat
latent moon
Beo
Beo can still run with flood mirage with ap1 or do pstatus passion
Mirage obv needs more rng but pstatus passion is easily manageable to proc
Zeus still works fine it's just slower imo
You obv want jolted and all that jazz
brisk trail
wish jolted counted for splitting 
latent moon
It do be like that
The great thing is that if you don't find jolted in your options you can take one of the prereqs for splitting anyways and maybe get splitting next time
brisk trail
at one point I thought it did and was malding when I got 4 zeus boons and splitting wouldnt show up 😭
latent moon
Lmao it do be like that
latent moon
I think the consensus last time I asked was splitting? I don't exactly remember
brisk trail
I would pick splitting cos I think it would be easier to find purple jolted over splitting, assuming I'm running pride which I almost always do
latent moon
Yeah something like that
vital tapir
it depends on what zeus cores you have ig
vital tapir
if it’s just the cast you’re probably better off with jolted
latent moon
Also true
brisk trail
if I'm using zeus it's usually on fists attack, zeus shield special, or the call, all of which I think would benefit from splitting more
raw herald
Beowulf was already very popular for casual and high heat before we discovered t...
Didn’t it have non eris wr
Before the bug
high island
I think so, yeah. But it was kind of a surprise when it happened, and then a lot more speedrunners started to look into it more seriously.
And the bug was discovered relatively soon after that.
livid crescent
does swift strike increase charge speed for bows?
high island
Swift Strike doesn't affect Dash-Strikes on the bow.
Only if you charge from standing.
So it's usually considered pointless on bow unless you happen to have Flurry Shot.
brisk trail
swift strike on arthur tho 
high island
Yeah, it's really nice on Excalibur.
chilly flume
What does it take to give Hades the next nectar?
I thought it would be just finishing 10 times
Also you guys were right, persephone's keepsake is amazing for the last realm
latent moon
I thought it would be just finishing 10 times
Pretty sure it's just this
high island
Pretty soon after Queen Persephone returns, yeah. You'll just need to get a dialogue with him that unlocks the heart.
chilly flume
Pretty soon after Queen Persephone returns, yeah. You'll just need to get a dial...
So I still need to get some special dialogue, huh? I see
high island
Yeah, the hearts are always unlocked with some dialogue.
livid crescent
concentrated or relentless volley for chiron?
high island
Concentrated.
twilit lodge
Both but conc first
dull niche
Beowulf was already very popular for casual and high heat before we discovered t...
tbh beo was still popular for speedruns because we could feel it doing damage, we just didnt know why because we were all doofuses LOL
it skyrocketed in popularity once we realized charged shot was the greatest thing since sliced bread
cshot is what put it over the edge
latent moon
Aspect of cshot
dull niche
we really believed in it
high island
tbh beo was still popular for speedruns because we could *feel* it doing damage,...
Yeah, but that took awhile to happen. EA was virtually no Beowulf speedruns and high heat meta (just 4 of us in fact) was completely ignoring Casts because we were just exploiting Charged Flight. I looked into the Casts at the very end when I was grinding 56 Heat, but that was with RI3 and DC2, so very different problems than you'd have in speedruns.
Then 1.0 was like 98% Eris. Beowulf had a niche with Wriste13 actually looking seriously into the different Casts, like doing streams specifically to test and share knowledge and I shared my own experiences from high heat with him... and that got people a little interested in trying it out, but it was still more of a niche. High heat it had a big drop in popularity initially in 1.0—like I was maining it at the end of EA and basically dropped it day 1 in 1.0 lol—because of the Charged Flight nerf; but it relatively quickly became, I am pretty sure, the most popular aspect for high heat. First Rama and then Beowulf, I think.
And then 1.37+, it still took quite awhile for Beowulf to catch on and for people to realize how strong it was for speed. I think it got WR or non-Eris WR and from there people took it very seriously and you saw way more Beowulf runs on the board all the time. And at least from my perspective, we started discovering those Beowulf relatively soon after that.
I mean it's been awhile, so I could be misremembering some things, but I think that was pretty much the sequence of events.
Well, I am 99% sure of the high heat chronology for Beowulf in that ^ at least.
dull niche
ur not wrong but ur compressing all of the 1.37 history of beowulf quite a lot, which is when it was most explored for speedrunning specifically
high island
However there was a small side mission for passion flare <:bouldy:52332911693463...
Well, that was the #1 high heat build for it after Charged Flight was nerfed.
dull niche
wriste and i think vorime were touching it in 1.0 due to i believe hermes cup but it didnt really take off
by 1.37 it was considered the fastest shield but not much more than that
high island
Yeah, Vorime was also messing around with it.
dull niche
then around the time of one of the hyper deliveries we started to realize charged shot was the bees knees and it really did well in whatever HD that was
then tounis got the first non eris sub6 by resetting for cshot (with pash flare too) and then it started to seriously skyrocket
but cshot was the make or break ultimately
livid crescent
ugh, timed out my chiron run. feels really hard to build without great RNG
raw herald
Well, that was the #1 high heat build for it after Charged Flight was nerfed.
I mean its anyheat arc
ie tounis sub 6
high island
Yeah, but I mean it's pretty natural for it to start from there since we were always looking over the fence to see what high heat/speedruns were doing.
livid crescent
so beo is the only aspect that people care about now or what?
raw herald
No, but it’s one of the most popular for speedruns
dull niche
its the most popular aspect in modded speedrunning, when you can guarantee charged shot
livid crescent
modded, sounds like cheating
raw herald
Real
signal aspen
lmfao
livid crescent
what about non speedruns
high island
I mean it's not cheating if its within the rules. Unmodded and modded leaderboards are kept separate.
livid crescent
well, i'd like to get 16 eventually for the statue, highest i've done so far is 8
dull niche
well in high heat beowulf is pretty good by virtue of it being a shield and having good safety, and also having a lot of damage from its casts, but its hard stuck at around 60 (? i think?) since it cant take too much Routine Inspection otherwise it loses its extra casts from infernal soul
livid crescent
then probably the 3rd statue whatever the heat is for that
raw herald
60 yes
dull niche
its the single best aspect for the EM4 fight though (i think)
signal aspen
beo and zeus are pretty close
dull niche
ye zeus is what i was thinking of
high island
Not "hard"-stuck exactly, but it's too much RNG grinding.
dull niche
right
its like reasonably hard stuck there, i doubt anybody's going to grind for 61+ beo anytime soon
^if someone feels like proving me wrong, go ahead
signal aspen
ok
raw herald
I don’t feel like it 👍
raw herald
Didn’t pseudo talk about it
signal aspen
probably
signal aspen
fully loaded but for lightning
dull niche
having a lodging cast i believe
which zag's natural cast is fwiw
but i think taking like slicing shot would lock you out of exit wounds
no
livid crescent
also I don't understand why ME is such a big deal, it just procs sooner with a little more damage? like do you put doom on atk and deflect on special or the other way
high island
@livid crescent Beowulf is very strong, but all of the aspects are perfectly viable. IMO just play whatever is the most fun for you, and if you need help, people here can definitely help you out with builds or tips for DPS rotations or whatever.
dull niche
also I don't understand why ME is such a big deal, it just procs sooner with a l...
most common use is doom on attack and also getting divine dash, so a single dash attack can proc doom
high island
also I don't understand why ME is such a big deal, it just procs sooner with a l...
You get Deflect on Dash and then proc it with that.
raw herald
also I don't understand why ME is such a big deal, it just procs sooner with a l...
You go from proccing doom every 1.1/1.6 seconds to every dash strike
high island
Special is only in order to unlock Merciful End.
Because Divine Dash doesn't unlock it (anymore).
high island
I don't remember if Phalanx Shot ever did. I know it unlocked Deadly Reversal.
dull niche
yea i cant remember either
raw herald
I think ME has been “meta” on every aspect at some point
signal aspen
i wish ME was meta on every aspect
dull niche
ME hera 🙏
raw herald
MEra
livid crescent
lol doesn't each strike take as long as doom proc anyways
raw herald
If you’ve seen Lili’s guide you’d know it’s optimal
raw herald
lol doesn't each strike take as long as doom proc anyways
nope
1.6 seconds is a long time
livid crescent
i kinda hate waiting for charged up attacks of shield, bow, spear
livid crescent
dash strike also feels inconsistent for me to pull off
but like charging up is giving me flashbacks of getting stunlocked by punchy boys in aspho
high island
yea i cant remember either
It was Attack, Special, and Dash at least all the way back to Welcome to Hell (steam launch during EA).
livid crescent
I feel like its random whether or not i can get past a shield in elysium. i swear they just immediately face you, so dashing behind seems to work like 1/4 of the time,
like you can only reliably kill with splash damage or something
livid crescent
how does everyone here have hades meme names. do you only use discord for hades?
signal aspen
do you know what a nickname is
livid crescent
i guess not. i kinda hate discord
signal aspen
yeah same
raw herald
Same
short glen
Same
dull niche
you can change your name for a specific server
livid crescent
you can set different name for every server? is that like a thing you pay for (imagine, lmao)
dull niche
so the change only shows up in that server and not in any others
name changing you dont need to pay for
raw herald
you can set different name for every server? is that like a thing you pay for (...
Nah it comes included
Stuff like pfp changing isn’t tho
dull niche
you can change your avatar for specific servers, but that only comes with paid nitro
i didnt even know there was a difference lmao
rustic vale
Holy
raw herald
Isn’t that a pretty new feature
rustic vale
Just got +8% move speed from bouldy
raw herald
Different nitros
signal aspen
Just got +8% move speed from bouldy
quit and rng manip for 10%
high island
I feel like its random whether or not i can get past a shield in elysium. i swe...
Get close to them to bait out their melee attack, then dash behind them.
raw herald
just use support fire 
high island
Plus what rmacinty said, they face right when they spawn.
Just use Charged Shot.
Can't block dat.
signal aspen
use ares aid
rustic vale
Use artemis projectiles
signal aspen
parry their attacks
raw herald
Get a mib
rustic vale
I’m literally so hype rn
Got lvl 5 epic doom strike
ME
Hyper delivery + 8% movespeed from bouldy
Curse of vengeance + holy shield
Bouldy movespeed carrying though
random pilot
hera kinda sucks? like not all of the blood stones hit
chilly flume
Higher heat levels reward with more darkness/gems?
I have a few profecies, just finished all the weapons with Heat 1 but I don't wanna tackle the next level yet
Btw, 6 runs and 6 wins with every weapon, I'm on a bloody roll here!
raw herald
Heat does not increase darkness/gem rewards
sly ridge
real
chilly flume
Then I shall turn off the heat and just farm prophecies
I have no rush for heat 2 as of now
high island
I'd suggest aiming for clearing a run with each pact next (not all at once). That prophecy gives a lot of Titan Blood.
You also get to try out all of the pacts.
brisk trail
all at once 
latent moon
hera kinda sucks? like not all of the blood stones hit
Ski lift issue I suppose then
brisk trail
ski lift??
random pilot
???
latent moon
Crush shot for the cast is probably the most consistent cast for Hera
Skill issue lol
random pilot
this happens even with that
latent moon
Ski lift
Skill
Close enough
I saw someone else use it here and I loved it so I'm stealing it
latent moon
this happens even with that
You're probably over shooting it then
Either that or undershooting
Yes
sly ridge
im fighting em4 hades again
hopefully i dont die like i did last try
ok second phase
still got all my dd
one dd left
almost got him second phase
YES
wait
hes not dead
oh god
latent moon
Lmfao
sly ridge
bro what is this
latent moon
This is an em4 moment
Y'all thought a spear throw and healing was enough to constitute em4
Hell no buddy
livid crescent
any tips to get the butterfly achievement (aside from get good, skissue etc)
vital tapir
max out the butterfly
livid crescent
this friggin sneak spawned inside me
hardy spear
are you sure it wasnt just backstabbing you
sly ridge
doing an arthur em4 run this time
so far i got epic heartbreak strike and flourish
i love melting shields
swapped heart strike for heroic deadly strike
lol
funny 1230 damage hit
the dio boon?
can you shield poison once you are poisoned?
high island
any tips to get the butterfly achievement (aside from get good, skissue etc)
Try using Hestia, Chiron, or Guan Yu (with Charged Skewer).
sly ridge
my build rn is so damage based
my special now does like nearly 300 damage
ah yes
epic sure footing
hardy spear
epic sure footing
i unironically love to see epic sure footing
lmfaoo trippy beo shreds lernie so hard
high island
Explosions like from Trippy Flare can be blocked by enemies.
sly ridge
bro my arthur build rn is demolishing
vital tapir
it’s kinda weird that some attacks can be blocked but can’t backstab
high island
Just for balance, I guess.
vital tapir
maybe charged shot makes them pierce
hardy spear
common cshot w
sly ridge
3rd phase again
but only 1 dd
HES HALF HEALTH
oh god im on last chance now
YES
I FINALLY BEAT EM4
latent moon
yo based
rustic vale
I FINALLY BEAT EM4
Based
rustic vale
Based
sly ridge
the past 3 chambers have been aphro boons
rustic vale
the past 3 chambers have been aphro boons
Where is the problem?
sly ridge
Where is the problem?
arent you the one who suggested i get thunder strike on fast attacking aspects
latent moon
did you not use his keepsake at the start
rustic vale
arent you the one who suggested i get thunder strike on fast attacking aspects
You can take her flourish
sly ridge
did you not use his keepsake at the start
forgot to switch to it
latent moon
well then there's the problem
sly ridge
You can take her flourish
i did that the first time she showed up
rustic vale
arent you the one who suggested i get thunder strike on fast attacking aspects
and also that isn’t the be all end all
It’s just very very good advice
rustic vale
forgot to switch to it
Is a habit you’ll have to make
sly ridge
i love using pom blossom in styx!
signal aspen
its aight
latent moon
well that's certainly an option
sly ridge
should i get eternal chamber
ive heard from someone the ramp up on lucifer isnt that good
signal aspen
no
sly ridge
the other choices are triple bomb and greater inferno
signal aspen
triple bomb is the best luci hammer
sly ridge
ok
brisk trail
I FINALLY BEAT EM4
with arthur right?
sly ridge
with arthur right?
yes
anyways
2nd hammer
all lucifer exlusives
concentraded beam, flash fire, or eternal chamber
rustic vale
concentraded beam, flash fire, or eternal chamber
What do you have on attack?
chilly flume
I'm thinking about using my titan's blood and just stumbled upon Hera's bow
I think something was lost in translation, can I get some help here?
indigo plover
can anyone explain why merciful end is so good, or how to utilize it properly rather?
sly ridge
What do you have on attack?
aphro
chilly flume
If I'm reading correctly, your cast won't fire and your bow will be empowered. Is that right?
indigo plover
i have it w fists rn, so attack to apply doom, then uppercut for doom?
rustic vale
can anyone explain why merciful end is so good, or how to utilize it properly ra...
You need divine dash
indigo plover
i have it
rustic vale
To use it properly
rustic vale
Then you just dstrike dstrike dstrike
rustic vale
ahh so atk dash
You still need the athena special to actually see the duo but you want the dash for the damage
indigo plover
yup yup i have both, appreciate u. got hunting blades aswell B)
high island
If I'm reading correctly, your cast won't fire and your bow will be empowered. I...
You'll load your Casts into your Attack. And then when you attack, your casts will launch from whatever your arrow hits.
Ideally an enemy.
Very strong aspect.
rustic vale
I'm thinking about using my titan's blood and just stumbled upon Hera's bow
I th...
Loading your cast makes your next attack shoot cast is the best way I can think to explainit
raw herald
hera is very good
chilly flume
So you press Cast and your next bow shot gets Cast power?
rustic vale
Your next bow shot
shoots cast
my b
o and i are right next to each other on the keyboard
indigo plover
hera has most world records rn i believe for speed? or did last time i looked, between hera eris and achilles
i suck w hera tho gonna try to get better
raw herald
modded anyheat and unmodded anyheat are hera
signal aspen
hera beo achilles is top 3 for modded
indigo plover
doesnt feel like a cast build
chilly flume
What you recommend? I think Ares cast is like the best
high island
If you play on pad, I recommend remapping Cast to L1/LB when playing Hera.
high island
Crush Shot is easily the best.
chilly flume
Heart girl it is then
high island
you just do aphro cast and then take demeter for ravenous will
Mainly for Snow Burst.
chilly flume
Let's give it a try
high island
Ravenous Will is nice, though.
acoustic bolt
sometimes crush shot bugs out if enemies are near the wall and it won't get lodged in them too so you get to shoot again faster
acoustic bolt
Mainly for Snow Burst.
oh i just figured 20-30% of a lot was a lot but i guess you need the aoe
high island
Snow Burst does damage when you would otherwise have downtime.
indigo plover
u get priviledged status from snow burst aswell p easily
if thats what its called w 2 debuffs
high island
Normally, Snow Burst does damage any time you use your Cast. But on Hera, Snow Burst does damage damage any time you load your Casts into your attack.
latent moon
Bold statement coming from someone who never got extra casts
high island
u get priviledged status from snow burst aswell p easily
If there's actually any benefit to that, it's not gonna be huge compared to Family Favorite. That's more pronounced on Beowulf.
raw herald
Bruh
latent moon
Get a sub4 then smh
twilit lodge
Dio cast is fun
You just need Stygian to deal with it staying on the ground too long
latent moon
Fun but impractical unless you get the good stuff lol
twilit lodge
And then you’re at the mercy of chaos/Artemis for extra casts
latent moon
Wells
rich gulch
I forgot the famous British vampire Dio Brando was a character in the game.
twilit lodge
Those are even rarer whenever I play cast
high island
Fun but impractical unless you get the good stuff lol
And by the time you get that, Crush Shot Hera is already 2-3 chambers ahead. 
twilit lodge
Also Prometheus stone is weirdly expensive it seems to me
Atlas braid is 20 obol
Stone is 100
high island
Ngl I have no idea how much Prometheus Stones are. I see it, I click on it.
latent moon
And by the time you get that, Crush Shot Hera is already 2-3 chambers ahead. <:s...
prob have to get insanely lucky for trippy to outpace crush shot lol
like idk extra stone c2 from a well and an extra from chaos soon after
high island
prob have to get insanely lucky for trippy to outpace crush shot lol
Only to get outlucked by Croven.
latent moon
lmfao true
raw herald
Stone is 100
50
indigo plover
first sub 20 fists done B) have sub 20 all weps now woot
twilit lodge
I definitely spent 100 on it once
latent moon
now get sub4
raw herald
I definitely spent 100 on it once
Cf?
twilit lodge
And not with cf
signal aspen
I definitely spent 100 on it once
charon scammed you
latent moon
lmfao
twilit lodge
Haven’t done any high heat castspect
indigo plover
Haven’t done any high heat castspect
achilles hunting blades is op op anywhere
signal aspen
achilles hunting blades is op op anywhere
especially at 64 heat
high island
I mean there's literally no way to make it cost 100, so you can't have spent 100.
Maybe you rerolled the Well and bought two. Then you did spend 100 on Prometheus Stones.
twilit lodge
chilly flume
Just realised I am clueless about the meta lol
indigo plover
keep having to choose between hammer and chaos in run in tartarus X_X
latent moon
chaos kinda neat
high island
Just realised I am clueless about the meta lol
Well, you're pretty new lol.
latent moon
keep having to choose between hammer and chaos in run in tartarus X_X
hammer'll show up again later, chaos might not
so generally chaos
unless your weapon really depends on the hammer
chilly flume
I am terribly new lol
chilly flume
According to the game stats, I just reached 37 runs
indigo plover
dont worry about meta starting out lol kills the fun of the game
sort of
the mystery is oh so fun
acoustic bolt
that seems like a personal take
indigo plover
yeah for sure
i love min maxing but finding out new things on your own is really fun in this game in particular
latent moon
ngl the meta builds are mainly only a concern if you're either struggling with a weapon, want to speedrun, or do high heat
for casual it's just whatever
some stuff ofc are gonna be terrible
like a % based atk on nonhesty rail
high island
From my perspective, all of you are newbies.
latent moon
but hey it's whatever
high island
latent moon
from my perspective, you're ancient
high island
Not ancient, timeless.
rustic vale
ngl the meta builds are mainly only a concern if you're either struggling with a...
Or want to watch things die
snow skiff
like a % based atk on nonhesty rail
zag rail non sf user
latent moon
zag rail doesnt exist
rustic vale
zag rail doesnt exist
Lies
It’s my favourite aspect
latent moon
sure buddy
indigo plover
to keep pom blossom on or force artemis.. smh i have addiction to pom blossom ;x
latent moon
where in the run are you
indigo plover
just beat furies
latent moon
then force arty lmao why would you mompom
latent moon
what boons do you have rn
rich gulch
The lad just wants to live his life carefree - may the gods smile upon him.
latent moon
because boons on ares cast is kinda eh
indigo plover
ares cast divine cash zeus call
indigo plover
The lad just wants to live his life carefree - may the gods smile upon him.
i JUST stopped using only pom blossom on my runs lol
latent moon
the only thing worth pomming there is zeus call and you got like a 33% chance of hitting that, i'd just do arty atk
indigo plover
i used to only run pom blossom and restart the run to go with whatever the start was
high island
Aspect of Bananas: for casual just do whatever you like
also Aspect of Bananas: lmao why would you mompom
indigo plover
the only thing worth pomming there is zeus call and you got like a 33% chance of...
ooo true facts, im already lvl 5 ares cast too, so
rich gulch
I believe that one should do as they like - because when it comes down to it, your life is your own.
chilly flume
Be honest, can I do whatever the hell I like until heat 15 for every weapon?
twilit lodge
Do items cost more in the elevator room wells?
indigo plover
you may get supremely unlucky but 90% of stuff will work imo
indigo plover
Do items cost more in the elevator room wells?
i dont think so?
chilly flume
Then I don't care lol
I don't think I need more than heat 15 to unlock everything, right?
twilit lodge
20 heat is the last bounty
chilly flume
After that I can worry about min-max
indigo plover
Then I don't care lol
I don't think I need more than heat 15 to unlock everythin...
less. i just hit 15 and ive had everything unlocked for a looong time
rich gulch
Be honest, can I do whatever the hell I like until heat 15 for every weapon?
Personally, I'd say anything goes below 32 heat - provided you have good timing.
high island
Anything goes at 32 Heat, too.
I mean you can do 32 Heat with no mirror and no boons.
latent moon
Crap builds at higher heat just needs more skill to pull off lol
high island
Yeah.
latent moon
But it can work definitely
rich gulch
I find it quite fun.
latent moon
A year ago I wouldn't be able to do slicing flare beo at 10 but I did it at 40 a month ago lol
high island
Depending on aspect, 45+ is basically when you need to start min-maxing.
Or when going for competitive speedrun times.
Well, 45+ you can still do meme builds but for the most part you'd try to min-max those meme builds.
Because you'll still have to deal with a timer.
I guess you could turn off the timer and do very slow meme builds, but... that's not exactly popular.
indigo plover
what do you guys usually put on special attack for achilles?
doesnt seem like it matters at all lol >_>
signal aspen
it doesnt matter too much
you can do zeus or ares for some extra damage
or some boon that unlocks a duo boon
indigo plover
yee s what i thought w duos thx thought i could be missing something
high island
Gran's lasers should be able to do the job at 45, I bet.
Absolutely. Still great at 50 Heat even, though you might need some resets to get what you want.
high island
doesnt seem like it matters at all lol >_>
It seems that way because that is how it is.
Nothing, or anything that's not Tempest Flourish because that ends up splitting enemy groups when you'd much rather group them together.
Plus, there are better boons you'd want from him anyway.
latent moon
That's like the lower bound of high yeah
high island
You also want to avoid opening up Duo Boons that aren't beneficial to you or get in the way of you getting a much better Duo Boon.
Like if you have Tidal Dash + Deadly Strike + Slicing Shot... you don't want to take Frost Flourish and open up Freezing Vortex.
latent moon
She's probably been alive and at the house of hades longer than you've done 200 runs
rich gulch
Absolutely. Still great at 50 Heat even, though you might need some resets to ge...
Alright, I'll try it.
twilit lodge
@brisk trail you need to kill things quicker, pause the game when you’re deciding which doors to take etc, dash everywhere
topaz sail
Callings usually:
Artemis: fire 10 powerful arrows
Aphrodite: strike and turn enemies against themselves
Zeus: bolts from the man himself
twilit lodge
Take free rooms whenever you can afford to/whenever they appear
topaz sail
Ares: Cousin, I wish to become a beyblade
twilit lodge
Dionysus: stabs knife into box of wine
brisk trail
<@456226577798135808> you need to kill things quicker, pause the game when you’r...
i mean im always tyring to kill things aqap is there anyway to make it quicker
topaz sail
Because
brisk trail
whats manip
topaz sail
Btw I tried Aphro and Artemis heart rend but with fists instead of nemesis sword
Holy frack it shreds
First of demeter aspect so mini calling
twilit lodge
Tbh 99% of the time you mini call
topaz sail
Then all the boosts with unseen is like 500+% dmg
brisk trail
didnt know thats a thing wow
topaz sail
I ain't here beat the game in 3 minutes tho
topaz sail
I think it was 20 ish but I had to leave for like 5 or so
twilit lodge
Press…. pause
topaz sail
I came here to kill my dad
EM4 dad is now a joke
twilit lodge
This isn’t one of those games where you have to tell your mom “I can’t pause it mommmmm”
twilit lodge
“You pause that Nemkimbo Slice right now young man!”
I like to pause and unpause approximately 500 times while waiting for icons to appear above the doors
topaz sail
I think I can remember how to pause if I can beat EM4 consistent enough
topaz sail
I'm just trying to get all the favors so I can finish the epilogue already
latent moon
I think I can remember how to pause if I can beat EM4 consistent enough
not me who's only beat em4 dad only like 3 times because i never use em4
twilit lodge
They serve that cereal on the surface
twilit lodge
not me who's only beat em4 dad only like 3 times because i never use em4
Right
topaz sail
No u
twilit lodge
Me finishing Aphrodite’s favor 100 years after the epilogue:
topaz sail
Almost done then lol
twilit lodge
You do
latent moon
if you want to 100% bonds anyways
twilit lodge
Max hearts on dusa doesn’t count for aphro
latent moon
also you dont need all gods with a maxed bond to get the epilogue
twilit lodge
She wants you to get laid, be bi, and get friendzoned
twilit lodge
Alexa what is 80% of 8
topaz sail
Bro
topaz sail
Using vartha dad aspect
latent moon
spear is pain
topaz sail
And Im not even gonna touch guan yu
twilit lodge
I sort of discovered this with dad room but wasn’t sure if it actually did this or I just didn’t notice the conversation before walking in
latent moon
not much of an inbetween
latent moon
And Im not even gonna touch guan yu
guan yu special spam is fun lol
built in exploding launcher is great
topaz sail
Sure but what about hades sniping you before you recover your precious 2%
twilit lodge
Precious 1%
latent moon
the spin atk is only worth using at the start of waves
twilit lodge
Or did we end up debunking the healing claims after all
latent moon
and even then i dont because i'd rather get a good line up
latent moon
Or did we end up debunking the healing claims after all
at this point idrc
latent moon
oh lmao
indigo plover
what mods yall use? i installed olypusextras yesterday but it crashed my game after awhile so took it off
latent moon
what mods yall use? i installed olypusextras yesterday but it crashed my game af...
also might wanna check with the modding discord and get some help there
indigo plover
I tried to use Arthur word but God
play more "slow"(not in time but more deliberately) w it and focus on building up the 3 hit combo, i hated it at first but i think it's much better than nem now. so easy to get high dps builds w it, and can get insane aswell
dash attack into combo is good too i think? lot of dash atk w arthur. havent played it in like a year though
indigo plover
i use the speedrunning mod
thx will look into
bout to do a arthur run ;D
got fists at 18:41 earlier now all weps sub 19 woot
i dont understand how people get much faster X_X lol
latent moon
taking every free room, using meta builds, good pathing
indigo plover
i have like 2-3 17 mins and it was a stroke of god level RNG strike for it to happen, w playing "perfectly"
latent moon
pausing when making decisions
indigo plover
word. whats ur fastest?
latent moon
yeah im not a top speedrunner but it's not necessary if you want to get below like 15
latent moon
word. whats ur fastest?
unmodded was a sub10, modded like 6:42
indigo plover
free room you mean shops..? how can you tell if its a free room otherwise lol
latent moon
i haven't gone back to unmodded in like months so idrk what my current unmodded time would be
latent moon
free room you mean shops..? how can you tell if its a free room otherwise lol
story or chaos
if you're playing modded, fountain chambers are marked
latent moon
yeah
indigo plover
living the good life
indigo plover
that would make my times 13-15 mins prolly
latent moon
oh are you doing the standard pact for speedrunning
latent moon
yes
indigo plover
EM yea
ohh FO too?
yea i heard abt this vaguely yeserday
i run fo1 rn ill start 2 thx
i should really beat em4 lmao ive never even toggled it
played since launch
latent moon
fo make them spawn faster
indigo plover
yeaa i read that yest and forgot 🫢
latent moon
lmao it's fine
rn i think most of your time can be shaved off with good enemy pathing and grouping
assuming you're using meta speedrunning builds
indigo plover
yeaa grouping i been working on
using mostly meta builds yea theyre my favorites anyway >___>
latent moon
thanks dyno
indigo plover
if you take the hammer on hera that makes you primary fire auto but no charge does it mess up hera?
cuz it did for me.. lol
latent moon
that's actually the best hammer for hera but it's incredibly difficult to use
gray apex
Are you on KBM or Controller
indigo plover
controller
latent moon
i think the second best option is either twin or triple shot for hera
gray apex
Yea it's just gonna need some getting used to then, Hera is tough to master, you can watch vods to see how top players manage it, good cast management really shows on Hera
latent moon
meanwhile with beo it's just "haha big boom"
indigo plover
where is speedrun mod cant find it
gray apex
Cast weapons are more punishing in general and usually people don't know how to scale them later in the run, both Hera and Beo require good cast management at top levels and it definitely shows on both but with Hera (especially with Flurry) you shoot pretty far a lot of the time and your fire rate is faster than Beo cshots so if you screw up it feels more punishing
latent moon
speedrunning modpack by 5 people
gray apex
It's also pinned in the Speedrunning Discord #modded-runs channel
cyan crown
How much time did it take y'all to max one aspect
twilit lodge
However long it took to unlock 5 weps and kill Meg with each
lean timber
speaking of which i finally maxed all aspects today
time to start chasing resource director
latent moon
wait really? i figured you were done for a while lol
where'd i get that assumption from
lean timber
cuz i hardly ever talk about it
i've had everything but talos for a while but today i exchanged for about 80 keys so i could just get the blood and finish it
wish there was a congratulatory message for it, i knew there wasn't but would have been cool
lean timber
nah it woulda bugged the hell outta me
i still have like 75 bounties to achieve. lol
latent moon
eh bounties are whatever tbh
indigo plover
is there a meta build compendium anywhere
lean timber
there are no meta builds
twilit lodge
Build ideas and tips for all weapon aspects in “Hades” — Lee Reamsnyder
Meta builds? Have you ever meta woman?
lean timber
no
twilit lodge
Me either
indigo plover
havent cleared since installing mod run lmao making me too aggressive
indigo plover
Meta builds? Have you ever meta woman?
p sure my gf is mad im playing this too much lol havent played games much the past 2 yrs
at the least annoyed >_> lmao
shadow pivot
