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inner meadow
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A friend set me up with Bastion first and it snowballed from there... a Hades joke for everyone

crude python
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whoever uploaded the newest episode of the noclip podcast misspelled Darren Korb's name as Darren Korn and i can't stop laughing about it

sullen scroll
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With the release of the no clip documentary on blu ray it got me thinking - should we be expecting another no clip doc on the making of hades 2? The hades doc was one of my favourite gaming docs ever and a sequel about the sequel would be really interesting!

tired vessel
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unfotunately it seems like they just arent doing one this time around, its mentioned in the h2 FAQ and a recent episode of the noclip podcast

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doesn't mean there wont be a doc at all, but definitely there wont be one throughout development

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maybe just one big one at the end

rugged hinge
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Ordered the Blu-Ray, can't wait!

zinc rock
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Just joined, wanted to say you guys are doing incredible and I love your games. Much love from South Africa

zinc fractal
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Does anyone else feel like Dionisous's and Hermes's Boons are far too uncommon and nerfed relative to Hades I? I really wish they were as useful as they were in the first game. It allowed for a lot of fun play styles.

earnest heart
rugged hinge
empty grove
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Hey does anyone know what Prometheus’s eagle is called?

pliant fjord
scenic heron
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well i just learned hades has another daughter named "Macaria" thats the goddess of blessed deaths
this is highly unlikely imo but i wonder how a hades 3 would look like lol

scenic cove
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Blessed deaths makes perfect sense for hades

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Since you upgraded when you die

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Finding a new story that connects could be tricky

pliant fjord
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time to go kill great-grandpa

harsh fog
rugged hinge
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My Hades Blu Ray arrived and it came with a cute zag sticker

olive hull
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oohhh so excited for mine!!

violet knot
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Often times during development I take a deep breath and think "What would Amir do?"

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He and Greg are incredibly eloquent. I can't help but think it's because they don't spend an egregious time in web forums

steady schooner
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they should totally do hades 2 steam key giveaways in here just saying

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🙏🙏🙏

rugged hinge
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They should should just give me everything for free for absolutely nothing in return

boreal valve
tawny frigate
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Just finished rewatching the Developing Hell Noclip documentary on the new physical disc from Fangamer. As someone that's been moderating/caring deeply about a game community & company for a long time (Heart Machine), especially more recently after the release of a new Early Access title from the company (Hyper Light Breaker), my gosh it was such a pleasure & joy seeing the team's perspective on things like feedback structuring, reception to things that would have a lot of heat, how the team prioritized things, etc. Love Supergiant Games man, and I've actually begun replaying Hades 1 again, haha Heart

olive hull
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myfigurecollection going well

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tired vessel
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really hoping for a pop up parade mel at some point so I can have them matching lol

olive hull
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trueee

fringe panther
pseudo prism
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i need supergiant to do a collection of like blindbag minifigs or smth so i stand a chance of getting ares ANYTHING ):

rare imp
olive hull
ocean pelican
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<@&456908176877551658>

minor path
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👍

tribal meadow
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Bots again?

olive hull
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Hacked accounts everywhere

tribal meadow
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ah, i see
so that explains all those phantom unreads i've been getting lately

zealous barn
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nah that was me trying to annoy you

tribal meadow
zealous barn
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i dont make money through my gigs, i can only eat the tomatoes

tribal meadow
ashen yarrow
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so hey yall.. can anyone who works for SGG please explain to me why yall refuse to agree to very basic interm agreements so that your game is no longer struck work? seems like a problem you could solve in an afternoon

haughty crane
ashen yarrow
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to the best of my understanding.. none of what SAG has in that agreement should be any kind of problem for supergiant.. and its disappointing as f*** yall would even let it get here

lofty terrace
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I know I have faith in SGG that they can do better, that they are ultimately better than this, but it is disappointing and I hope it can be properly addressed soon.

harsh fog
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Sgg sag?

ashen yarrow
harsh fog
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Ah

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Don't know those terms 😅

lofty terrace
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Also, hey, been a huge fan since Bastion, loved every game, happy to be here, wish there was better timing for me to actually get around to joining the official discord than this, but what can ya do.

ashen yarrow
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like.. you could fix this before 5 pm.. i dont like to yell at people.. but yall have run a progressive studio for over a decade.. this is grade school level math here just get it done.. i'll be an ass one time and tag @cursive galleon then let it go for today

harsh fog
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😮‍💨

pulsar canopy
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Seconding the request to make an interim agreement. Hearing that you’re so far doing otherwise is a massive disappointment

errant quiver
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Adding my request as well. Your voice actors are part of the reason we all love these stories so much. You take such care with your games and fanbase, please do the same for those that make/made it all happen. Games are made by people, not companies.

cloud totem
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Supergiant has been my one pillar of quality and standards in the industry, PLEASE speak on this!

spiral owl
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I want to make a request too. One of the main reasons why I bought Hades and loved what Supergiant does is when I read that they had a mandatory rule where workers took at least 20 days off so they didn't burn themselves out and overall an amazing way to look after themselves and making sure the workers involved got the best treatment. I would feel incredible betrayed if it came out that Supergiant turned a back on these ideals by not signing an interim deal which would give voice actors the best treatment, the very same ones they had all those years ago. I sincerely ask those involved with Supergiant think this through and do the right thing.

ripe kettle
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I'm for sure seconding this. I've been a fan since Bastion as well and I've always loved this company and everything it stands for. I know they can do better. I believe they can.

slow obsidian
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still waiting on pyre 2

elder wing
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Do we have any official comment from SGG or commentary from any other voice cast about the Marin Miller post?

I don't want to jump to any conclusions about the situation, since Supergiant is a long time favorite developer, and I've always gotten a good impression about how they treat people working for them. But also, I of course support unions, so its concerning to hear this sort of thing.

mystic meadow
slow obsidian
wild hull
orchid sluice
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Also want to add my voice to the group of people requesting Supergiant find their way toward an interim agreement with voice actors. I've been a big fan of the work this studio has released in no small part because of their public dedication to working ethically in an industry that so often seems insistent on exploiting people. Choosing not only to refuse SAG-AFTRA's requirements but recasting characters in order to avoid signing an agreement (especially when said character was featured prominently in the promotion for today's update) would be a dealbreaker for me and pretty much everyone I know who was excited to pick up Hades 2 when it leaves early access.

Would love to see — at the very least — some clarification of SGG's stance in the immediate future.

(Edit to clarify: I have supported and played both Hades and Hades II in early access. That doesn't create some form of obligation on SGG's part, but regardless it seemed relevant to mention that I do have a vested interest in Hades II not becoming a product I cannot continue to support in good conscience.)

silk oracle
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Adding my voice to this and stand in solidarity with voice actors ! ✊ Hope this can get resolved fast because it is very disheartening to see, especially from a studio that champion treating workers fairly and with care (up until now supposedly).

harsh fog
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normally speaking i would keep silent but... one way or another im neutral in this cos of multiple reasons, however when you as a indie developers work as a team to create multiple awesome games and story's behind a game Voice actors can't be put on the backgrounds or silenced! I seriously hope anyone from supergiant games can shed some light on this, cos to be honest this post (even tho to be fair most stuff on social media gets a high dosage of emotions and stuff to move a crowd) it still makes me wonder what went or is going wrong

harsh fog
haughty scaffold
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I'd also like to add that this is a very disappointing development. I am a long time fan and was under the impression Supergiant was a worker friendly environment. I will not be playing, buying or promoting Supergiant games until this issue is addressed properly. I truly hope there is some kind of misunderstanding. @cursive galleon

fleet bolt
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I think it's worth remembering the Hellena Taylor debacle before jumping to conclusions on this, personally.

neon kayak
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Hi all! Decided to finally jump into the Discord here, been a fan since Bastion which I played as a younger teen, now Im approaching 30 and getting to be on the Hades 2 journey after missing the first games' early access

Reading the initial comments right now it seems like there's been more going on than I realized, but still glad to be here

glass meadow
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Given the nature of why these interim contracts are called for re: AI use in the industry, it feels prudent to ask about AI use as well.

I play games to engage with real art made by real people. I understand that AI use can help a company bottom line, but probably not if even a fraction of the existing users do not want to engage with content that use such tools. Particularly for an indie studio - well, let's just say I'd also bet that most who specifically seek out and play indie think similarly.

Without knowing why an interim is not met, I then must ask: is AI in use for your games currently or for undisclosed future projects? If so, to what extent?

You can make your decisions for your game. Now let me make my decisions with my time and my money.

fleet bolt
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Worth mentioning that Steam requires disclosing use of AI generated content on the store page.

harsh fog
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They even have to disclose when it uses kernel based anti cheat level systems

orchid perch
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besides, is there even any mention of AI use? better to not jump into conclusions and assume stuff

glass meadow
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I am not jumping to conclusions - I am actively asking because of the nature of why the interims are requested in the first place.

pulsar canopy
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The strike is about securing rights when it comes to AI. Actors want protection. A company doesn’t have to be currently using AI to be an issue at the moment

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Striking actors are asking “hey, can you give us a union contract that gives us enforceable AI protection?”

fleet bolt
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There's a number of logical stopping points before we hit "Supergiant supports use of AI in games", is my point. Until we see a statement from the company, or at the very least from more than a single person, I just don't think it's worth burning bridges over.

glass meadow
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Yea, it's a promise for not using AI in mostly future projects effectively, given the timing of how long game develoment can take.

I don't exactly see how the question is illogical tbh. Again: I am asking a question and hoping for an answer in any given statement that may come.

fleet bolt
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Such as, and correct me if I have wrong info, but from what I could find about the agreement, it would make the project union work. Which, by SAG rules, requires no major roles go to non-union VAs. Considering I don't know how many actors are union vs non-union on this project, "we don't want to fire half our cast" is a pretty decent reason not to sign, for the time being.

harsh fog
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fleet bolt
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With a company as known for employee care and protections as this, to be frank, something don't smell right. Whether that's bad faith, or just the situation being more complex than presented, I couldn't say. I need more info before I start jumping at ghosts.

glass meadow
fleet bolt
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"If I wanted slop, I'd go to a slophouse, dears." reads as pretty aggressive to me

glass meadow
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That's fair - but I was mostly making a point. I can edit this out should this make anyone uncomfortable.

fleet bolt
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You're jumping at an assumption that is pretty provably untrue, at least for their past and current projects.

glass meadow
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... It sounds to me like you are uncomfortable that this question was asked at all?

fleet bolt
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It's a question with a very easy answer that takes 5 minutes of research

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Again, I'm really finding the Helena Taylor situation sticking in my mind, and a lot of people getting burned for jumping immediately to conclusions without anything more to go on than a single person's tweet

glass meadow
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That they can also answer with: we have active plans to use AI in future undisclosed or unannounced projects / updates for current projects so we cannot sign the agreement?

Actually - this is probably a fair edit to add to the question itself, that I do also mean this to apply to future projects.

tardy barn
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The whole thing feels very vague posting to me… I wouldn’t jump to conclusions right now.

zealous barn
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Yeah let‘s see, it hasn‘t even been 24 hours

tribal meadow
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Yeah especially since it’s all after like
A single rather vague tweet

glass meadow
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Eh, I just don't see the jump to conclusion bit to ask a question on this tbh. I prefer to ask such uncomfy questions directly because it gives folks an opportunity to correct to the best of their ability.

pulsar canopy
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I feel like propping up the example of one person who lied versus a union that is now on its seventh month of striking is a bit silly. Most of us here are just asking for clarification because we want the company to do right by the actors

tardy barn
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Being anti-worker is very out of character of SG. It’s not impossible, but that seems like a hell of face/heel turn.

fleet bolt
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But that's the thing, right now it is one person. If we start seeing things from other union actors on the project, that's a different story.

glass meadow
tardy barn
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I can’t send an screenshot on this channel, but it appears that Marin M. Miller (VA in question) is only accepting contracts with no AI clauses enforceable by SAG-AFRA (check their bluesky feed). The issue might be that there are other conditions that come along with a union contract SG can’t/won’t agree to.

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Post I found was 19 days ago.

glass meadow
# tardy barn I can’t send an screenshot on this channel, but it appears that Marin M. Miller ...

This is actually somewhat encouraging in lieu of more information from sgg on the subject. I do appreciate this help.

This one looks like what you speak of, should anyone else want to check.
https://bsky.app/profile/marinmmiller.com/post/3lh2xegjec22h

Marin M. Miller (@marinmmiller.com)

Fun fact: I've been offered "No AI" riders by multiple clients. But if those riders are not approved by SAG-AFTRA, they will not be legally enforced by SAG-AFTRA. If you write in that your client will pay for your legal rep, hope you already have a lawyer that has agreed to work on deferred pay.

Marin M. Miller (@marinmmiller.com)
If you claim to be too desperate to turn down non-union work from a multi-billion dollar Chinese corporation, how are you supposed to be able to afford to be able to sue them when they inevitably steal your voice?

Think long term.

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worthy trellis
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https://bsky.app/profile/marinmmiller.com/post/3likhkirnp22q

Marin M. Miller (@marinmmiller.com)

For those unaware, SAG-AFTRA is entering it's 7th straight month of striking interactive projects for enforceable AI rights. SAG-AFTRA contracts are protected by their legal staff--I can't afford a lawyer without the union.

I am only working on projects signed to a SAG-AFTRA INTERIM AGREEMENT.

Marin M. Miller (@marinmmiller.com)
It's possible you may hear me get recast in a particular game that is very popular. If I am, it was not because I stepped away from the character willingly. :) It's because the employer refused to flip to an interim.

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tardy barn
fringe heron
tardy barn
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That link doesn’t open.

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I think their site is down.

worthy trellis
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I could open it, it led me to a 13 pages PDF

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I just skimmed it and found no mention of the major roles having to go to unionized workers, but the document is a list of amends and modifications over a previous one, so perhaps that's stipulated elsewhere

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The document itself mostly talks about the use of digital replicas and genAI. It also has things about wages, rest time, meals and accommodation that the actors are entitled to, and some info about actors with medical needs

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Everything sounds pretty reasonable

tardy barn
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Guess we have to wait and see what the response from SG is.

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I don’t know why any of that would be an issue, assuming the contract is the same.

fleet bolt
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I believe that's a greater requirement of being a "union project"

worthy trellis
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Waiting is the best course of action. We don't have even remotely enough information to pass judgement. I understand that a company allegedly refusing a union agreement is unsettling and cause of alarm, but Supergiant has consistently proven to be a respectful and supportive company towards their employees. There must be something going on and they'll probably clarify it in due time

fleet bolt
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Rather than being stipulated in the interim agreement itself

worthy trellis
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I will say, though, that I'd first believe pigs can fly than Supergiant using genAI to make games. Leaving iterative processes in the gears of the machine? Sure, why not, it's what computers were made for. But using LLMs to design or write? I'd believe it only if Supergiant itself came out to publicly announce they do it, and then visited my house to reiterate it to me in person. For crying out loud, they hire human translators directly, no agencies, for their localization! Translators are eating crap everywhere because of machine translation genAI tech makes it cheap and easy to generate super fast, mediocre translations that the public eats up with zero complains, and yet Supergiant goes the extra mile to ensure their text is translated by humans who care

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Never meet your heroes blah blah, but I just can't imagine Supergiant hopping on the genAI slop train

slow reef
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If Marin is a union member, Hades would have to be a union project by virtue of her performance in it in the first place, afaik regarding union rules.

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So that consideration shouldn't be a sticking point

worthy trellis
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Maybe the rules have changed since 2018? For example in regard to the percentage of union workers who must have major roles

fervent ivy
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I have no other insights to add to this conversation other than this: as a studio and creative team I greatly admire and have done for over a decade, I feel the need to hold them to the highest possible standard and thus will be adding my voice to the chorus of people asking SGG for comment. As it stands right now I don't feel comfortable playing the update or providing any further early access feedback until SGG makes and official statement re: recasting the striking actor.

tardy barn
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We don’t know if the actor’s been recast. We also don’t know why they’ve been recast if that happened.

fervent ivy
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I feel enough reasonable doubt has been cast to warrant a request for comment from the studio.

tardy barn
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Oh, same. I’ve just been burned enough times by MobThink TM to not jump in with both feet on things like this.

slow reef
# worthy trellis Maybe the rules have changed since 2018? For example in regard to the percentage...

So, non-union people working on union projects tends to be pretty limited. Afaik you can only do that once before you're required to then apply for membership to do union work, and then you're locked out of non-union stuff going forward. It's kind of a big thing in a performing career of picking when the right time to make the jump is, cause it can be either great or kill your career depending on if you've built out your portfolio or not

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It happens, usually how you get your foot in to be eligible for membership, but it's not going to be a significant chunk of any project

worthy trellis
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Oh, I see. Thanks for the explanation!

slow reef
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(I'm not a Working Professional in the industry currently so anyone with better hands on experience feel free to correct me!!)

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glass meadow
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So managed to read through the one sample doc found - generally agree that this all seems to be fair expectations. Not sure which parts would be more troubling to have an issue with, tbf. I would sincerely hope that whatever was a sticking point was not something there and thus in some additional documentation we cannot see.

turbid bobcat
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I'm confused... The voice actor is for Athena, right? ||Hasn't she been in the game since October||? Why is this just coming up now? (I am legitimately just confused on the timeline)

lofty terrace
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They've done a few roles in the Hades games.

slow reef
neon kayak
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Im sure we have nothing to worry about from SuperGiant, bad behaviour all of a sudden would be a complete 180 in terms of their character

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Theyre just working their way through contractual union word soup im guessing

lofty terrace
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That's the hope.

sullen fiber
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Don't really care about SGG agreeing to interim or not, but VAs are for sure spoiled. If i'd demanded such drastic change to contract while corp is being able to replace me, i'd be yeeted to the streets. 0 negativity, if unions existed in my country, i'd abused them too for any advantage.

mild thistle
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tardy barn
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Well, that answers that.

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SG doesn’t do SAG AFRA contracts, Marin doesn’t do non-SAG AFRA contracts. Seems like a pretty clear cut impasse to me.

harsh fog
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so is this good or bad?

tardy barn
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In my opinion, it’s a contract dispute. Marin is demanding something SG isn’t going to do.

outer skiff
# harsh fog so is this good or bad?

From what I understand, somewhere in the middle. SGG doesn't do union contracts (not great for VAs that are a part of the union) but guarantee their own protections for their workers.

harsh fog
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..english isnt really mine native language 😅 so this isnt good?

mild thistle
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it's using a lot of words to not say much

tardy barn
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I don’t think Marin making a public stink about it looks great on them, but I don’t particularly care that much.

tardy barn
outer skiff
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It's nothing bad, but it could still be improved.

mild thistle
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wishing they can keep working with VAs is not making promises

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but for all we know, SGG might have the attitude of "we're not doing any interim contracts, and will just wait for the strike to be over"

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while the VA wants to get back into working right now

stable hawk
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It's nice they're dedicated to providing those protections themselves, but it doesn't answer what the several reasons they have to not want to sign the interim are which is a frustrating because knowing why would help clear everything up (now that this has been brought into the public conversation)

silk oracle
tardy barn
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Union projects come with extra strings they probably don’t want to deal with.

stable hawk
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it would just be nice to know which strings are the roadblocks LuigiShrug

mild thistle
zealous barn
tardy barn
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They said the protections are in the contracts. That’d be a weird thing to lie about.

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Also, SG didn’t start this, Marin did. They want something SG won’t give them, or anyone. That’s nobody’s business but theirs and SG.

stable hawk
# zealous barn i dont think companies need to publish all the details of all the numerous contr...

Yeah on the whole I agree, but seeing as this has been brought to the public eye it's a bit frustrating not to know why what should have been a closed-door discussion came to the public level.. leaving it a mystery now that the question has been posed feels a bit strange from our perspective, it makes you wonder what they are, and not knowing is a bit frustrating (even though they're not obligated to tell us anything)

harsh fog
tardy barn
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I don’t think SG is doing anything wrong because a contract falls through. That’s just how contracts work sometimes. I don’t think Marin’s wrong for wanting an SAG AFRA contract either. The two parties can’t agree. That happens. I’m not assigning malice to anyone.

worthy trellis
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Agreeing with you, Good Shade

harsh fog
# tardy barn I don’t get the reference?

made a typo its: "What happens within four walls, stays within four walls." which means what happens in private or in this case between SG and Marin should stay between them

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like i said in other servers dutch and english dont mix well 😅

worthy trellis
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I think Marin's move of explicitly asking their followers to flood Supergiant's communication channels with requests/demands to accept the interim contract, knowing full well none of them has access to the full context and relevant information, wasn't very nice

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But I don't think it was in bad faith or with the intention to dogpile Supergiant into oblivion either. They're just trying to protect themselves, which is totally fair

stable hawk
worthy trellis
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Sounds plausible

stable hawk
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Definitely not a good way to deliver the information to the public though.. It's cast a huge spotlight on this internal decision that SG previously didn't need to go out of their way to justify against the alternatives (but they've witheld the justifications and just disclosed that there are justifications)

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it's confusing

dense loom
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usually i just lurk at most but i think this comment on reddit also adds an important aspect to this too for people who are unaware/ trying to figure out whats happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1iu9y8c/comment/mdvnfdk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

`It's relevant to note how messy and un-cordinated the strike is by SAG-AFTRA.

Zach Aguilar (Genshin MC VA) did a stream and answered questions about the strike, revealling how messily co-ordinated it , such as the interim agreement being unclear and VAs having different ideas or beliefs. Some VAs have even chosen to lose union benefits to start working again.

So this is probably partly why Supergiant has acknowledged and respected the strike without signing the interim agreement, causing Marin to leave.`

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zealous barn
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I don‘t remember this storyline of disco elysium

worthy trellis
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It's more or less normal/to be expected that union action isn't entirely cohesive. The industry grows more or less organically, with every studio figuring out things on their own and according to the customs and regulations of their areas, and the union has to figure out a way to defend everybody's interests and include everybody in their actions

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There are more expectations and critical eyes on unions than on companies, too

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Of course, everything has a limit: if a union is a disaster clown show, then it's understandable if companies try not to get involved with them

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But the fact that interim contracts aren't entirely clear because they're being written in the context of strikes and negotiations isn't a good argument not to accept them

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I'd rather think there are aspects of Supergiant's workflow that make it impracticable for them to work union

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Maybe some of their people with multiple roles in the company aren't eligible to join SAG-AFTRA, or they decided not to join it because their VA work is a minor part of what they do and it doesn't justify paying the initiation fee (3k USD) or the dues every year (237 USD + 1.575% of earnings). Maybe the union makes it a harder to hire talent abroad. There are many options

stable hawk
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It would genuinely just be nice to know the reasons, is all LuigiShrug

rough holly
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I feel like a lot of things need to be defined in order for me to figure out what's going on.

ashen yarrow
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wanna just generally thank people for not being upset at me for bringing this up in the first place.. happy we have AN answer.. in my opinion its not a very GOOD answer.. but oh well

honest shale
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It’s the only answer we really need, honestly. We don’t need to know the inner workings of the company, and we honestly shouldn’t have heard about this to begin with. Not everything needs union intervention, especially not SGG.

fleet bolt
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Yeah this is about what I expected. I would have liked more info regarding what does or doesn't make SAG contracts difficult to work around, I can only assume it's a matter of the specific mix of talent, but the most pressing thing (establishing that they do have in house protections against AI) is good

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This feels like a faux pas on Marin's end, personally, but more a contract dispute than anything nefarious

neon kayak
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Predicting review bombing to happen

fleet bolt
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Oh for sure

honest shale
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Already saw some people say they changed their review under Marin’s original post. Internet is gonna internet I suppose

neon kayak
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Oh yeah already happening

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Marins being a goofball idk why this ever had to become public

rough holly
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I'm curious if this is only being an issue for SGG or will people be asking if every indie darling is SAG-unionized in some capacity.

waxen carbon
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I mean, if your from USA doing a strike, you prob is on the edge about any job
For now I wont give any fault for them

but its weird, kinda conflicted info

last spoke
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yeah there have been some negative reviews on steam already

zealous barn
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It's SO FUNNY how fast people can turn on anything they like; SGG's been beloved also because of their employees' treatment and it's vaporized in less than two days lmfao, bc now suddenly they're surely evil for ??? reasons

harsh fog
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😮‍💨

zealous barn
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reality is quite complicated!

neon kayak
rough holly
neon kayak
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Its immature

harsh fog
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is it me or...idk is this just a way to get attention?

waxen carbon
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sorry. it's you

harsh fog
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4 steam reviews with literally the same statement :/

rough holly
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Everything is "for attention," so you'd have to be specific.

umbral sluice
harsh fog
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or whatever its called

rough holly
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I'd argue the timing is weird

zealous barn
#

we don't have to now swing the pendulum in the other direction and attribute malice back to marin again lol, it's relaxation time

waxen carbon
#

What miller is doing, they probably believe is to safe a job.
They wont be doing this for atenton. just attention wont give them anything

harsh fog
neon kayak
#

Hope SG clarifies more but till then back to broken shoulder

waxen carbon
#

Btw, question for all, USA citezen or not.
These situations make me hate the USgov, even more. but I am brazilian so idk if this is the real reason for this hatred to shine everytime
do you feel the same?
or do you blame something else?

neon kayak
#

But thats another thing entirely

glass meadow
#

Glad to hear this is something a bit more nuanced and there has been an answer reached, but I'll be honest that I don't expect further updates or details on the specifics from SGG at least... primarily because, aside from it being likely unwise to drag on from any PR standpoint, I would think that perhaps they cannot speak as freely as some may want due to various contracts. I'm not surprised at backlash towards SGG at the moment; I think a lot of that is because when a company branded as they are is suspected of not being their brand... well, a lot of folks feel betrayed over it and react much stronger than they would to other companies doing the same that do not have the same branding. It is almost like being graded on a curve.

As for Marin - I'm going to assume they made a gambit to try to keep their role. ... Perhaps an unwise one? But a gambit at keeping a job nonetheless.

orchid sluice
pseudo sundial
#

I feels like the internet hasn't learned anything when it comes to "let's slow down and take things with a grain of salt"

#

I personally think that there just isn't a perfect solution but this whole situation has been wild

ashen yarrow
#

theres nothing to 'take with a grain of salt here' its math and numbers.. its math and numbers none of us are allowed to know.. but there is no grey area here.. they are just flat out refusing to work with the union and yes it is there ''''right'''' as a private company but that doesnt make the situation complicated.

neon kayak
neon kayak
sharp garnet
#

I'm willing to believe that there's complicated reasons that they can't say why they're not signing an interim contract, but I still am kind of disappointed by the recent statement. If they even outright said "For contractual reasons we can't go into specifics" I'd feel better but to just leave it as vague as "for a variety of reasons" does leave a sour taste in my mouth.

I realize there are bigger enemies in regards to the strikes and at worst Supergiant is an imperfect ally, but Supergiant is a company that I do expect the best from and so I wish I could feel 100% confident that the best is happening.

pseudo sundial
#

When I say "grain of salt", it's because of the things we don't know. I do think that the statement could have been better worded and in a perfect world we would know everything and SG would become union, but we just don't. Hence why I decide to wait until the dust has settled. I want to believe that SG will do good by their talents and their community

sharp garnet
#

Yeah I think it's foolish for anyone outside of the industry to be speaking with confidence about the situation one way or the other

pseudo sundial
#

Considering I picked up Hades about a year after switch released I'm still relatively new to them, but in my eyes they haven't shown me that they are a corrupt company. But I am looking at this with the rose tinted glasses of a consumer

cloud totem
#

I mean, I don't NEED to know the specifics. I'm not their business manager, I don't need a full breakdown of every weird hook in the situation. There are any number of reasons why someone wouldn't want to just sign a contract and a statement saying "we value our people and are against AI usage" should be perfectly fine

pseudo sundial
#

I agree, I think it's too much to expect them to say everything, there are things that can't legally be said

#

I think regardless, unless SG does something I personally consider unforgivable, I will still be eagerly waiting for Hades 2 to be on switch. I am just one person with my own opinions though

#

I love these games. Hades kept me company through rough times. My experiences will always be the same

sharp garnet
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Hades is my favorite game of all time and I certainly will not be boycotting over this and I certainly understand that I can't know all the specifics, but Marin is also someone I've followed for a long time and have a lot of respect for so I am going to take their grievances seriously and hopefully things work out for everyone.

pseudo sundial
#

Much respect ❤️

#

I wish the best for everyone

cloud totem
#

Also wasn't the grievance literally just that they didn't sign the interim? Like no mistreatment from anywhere, just a lack of contract signature

fleet bolt
#

I'd also like to point out that, at least as of this current moment, no other union VA on the cast has brought up an issue with the current agreement.

pseudo sundial
sharp garnet
#

I think a refusal to sign a union contract is a pretty understandable grievance especially an interim one during an ongoing strike.

pseudo sundial
#

This isn't a question to offend anyone but is there a chance that SG could be waiting until Hades 2 is completed to enter?

sharp garnet
#

And just like there's lots of reasons why a company could choose not sign the contract there's also reasons why the other union actors would choose not to speak up. We don't know the specifics in either direction.

pseudo sundial
#

Yeah it wouldn't be the best idea but I've seen the possibility brought up

sharp garnet
#

Maybe? I guess there's a possibility that the early access nature of hades could make SAG stuff complicated though since VA work usually happens early on in the production process I'd be surprised if that was the case.

pseudo sundial
#

That's true, though I guess since they're updating it in pieces VA work could be being done at different times, albeit early in the production of each update?

#

I could see something like that possibly being complicated

sharp garnet
#

Yeah that almost seems more likely, the piecemeal production process may be incompatible with SAG contracts

#

though this is all just guesses

pseudo sundial
#

Right right

cold heart
#

whats happening with the strike?

rough holly
knotty jasper
#

Hi.

I wanted to clarify about Supergiant Games presence on the new social platforms.

There are no links to BlueSky and Threads on the website or in the email newsletter. But there are accounts called Supergiant on those social networks. Are these official pages?

harsh fog
knotty jasper
harsh fog
#

Just cos it doesn't have a checkmark doesn't make it a fake page

knotty jasper
harsh fog
#

it speaks for itself maybe the forgot to add the url in the game ¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

If that's the case you should wonder if their fb page is "official" too..society these days really don't know what finding resources yourself means 😮‍💨

knotty jasper
knotty jasper
harsh fog
short tundra
#

that is the official sgg bsky account and they've chosen to only post it there

harsh fog
#

Hey babstion ^^

short tundra
#

👋

harsh fog
#

How's your day rolling?

knotty jasper
short tundra
#

it's 2:44 am here so entirely too late lmao

#

how about yours?

harsh fog
knotty jasper
harsh fog
#

11:48 for early morning XD

short tundra
#

sounds like a p good day! what vinyl were you thinking of playing?

harsh fog
short tundra
#

nice nice. what vinyls are you looking to get?

harsh fog
short tundra
#

sgg vinyls are always killer, i don't have the hades ones but i have the others and they're 10/10

harsh fog
short tundra
#

oof that's brutal

#

definitely the kind of thing to save up for

harsh fog
#

Even tho the music of today (even on vinyl) is digitized a bit..it still has a more warming quality if you ask me nothing "feels" more emotion triggering than hearing a tiny needle ride on a vinyl record and getting a warm blanket around your worries 🫂

short tundra
#

vinyls really do have a whole vibe to them

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my parents were really into vinyls so when i was a kid they would play them all the time. theyre something special

harsh fog
short tundra
#

that's awesome

harsh fog
#

And..I just have a feeling Melanie is gonna do the same to me i know her music is more targeted at her past traumas and such..I've seen her live last year in Amsterdam and I can say Melanie is a wholesome and respectful person she even motivated us time after time to sing with her as one 🥺 i couldn't keep myself dry at that concert I've cried,laughed and I've let burdens go (kinda off topic but that's also why I love Hades as a game and the sound tracks) i felt so alive...started to process stuff while having a good time it also helped me embrace myself in being myself

short tundra
#

that's really lovely. i hope the vinyl lives up to your expectations.

#

it's super late tho so i'm gonna head to bed, gnight and have a good time in the city today 👋

harsh fog
zealous barn
#

<@&456908176877551658>

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i love gift cards!!

olive hull
#

help i just got so many pings

harsh fog
#

hey alma ^^

ocean pelican
#

Just a bit of pinging

north adder
#

update from marin's side

vapid shuttle
#

if SG claims to care about the strike then SIGN THE CONTRACT

lunar ridge
#

seems pretty cut and dry - if super giant means what they say then work with SAG, sign Marin's contract

fleet bolt
#

I'm gonna be honest, a lot of that reads like blaming the state of the country on a single company, to me. But I'd like to know what hurdle is in the way, on this.

lunar ridge
#

Given the state of labor rights and unions in games specifically It would definitely mean a lot for a studio like Super Giant to step up and work with them, at least to me
Im sure there is an amicable path forward here

fleet bolt
#

I think where I'm landing is damn, that sucks, I hope they find a path forward that solves these problems for everyone, but I don't for a second believe that it's as simple as "just sign the contract", otherwise it would have been done already.

harsh fog
lunar ridge
#

In their own words their games have never been union so there is/was no incentive for them to start unless they want to - balls in their court

from the article on the story "Zeke Alton, who is a member of the SAG-AFTRA voiceover committee negotiating over the ongoing strike, told Game Developer that the union has attempted to reach out to Supergiant Games and talent coordinating partner The HALP Network, but neither have "made an effort" to speak to the union. "I feel that if we were able to communicate with them, we could make it clear that the Union is here to help," he said in a statement. "We’re open to discuss any waivers or exemptions they might need to allow continued use of foreign actors and members of their in-house development team while providing their professional actors with a safe place to work that has enforceable AI protections."

harsh fog
#

what does "balls in their court" suggest and or mean?

lunar ridge
#

thats what they were saying towards the end of their statement

fleet bolt
#

"We're open to discuss" also doesn't necessarily mean "We're going to let you keep everyone you want" either, to be fair

lunar ridge
pseudo sundial
#

I will say that some of the things Marin has stated in their letter are things that can't be solved by this contract being signed because they just don't have anything to do with SG as a company, it's the government and country as a whole

I would like them to explain what is possiy keeping them from signing or the road blocks that would come up if they began the process of doing so, to better make their "not making an effort" more understandable

vapid shuttle
#

work with unions and they will work with you, they arent the enemy

fleet bolt
#

Nobody here is saying the union is the enemy, just that it's not as cut and dry as "just sign it"

lunar ridge
pseudo sundial
#

As a fellow nonbinary who wants gender affirming care, I understand my employer can't really do anything about that lol

#

The government just won't help me

lunar ridge
#

Super Giant is one of the few successful studios in this industry that aren't stuck under 10 layers of a corporation, them stepping up for unionized workers in games would mean a lot

pseudo sundial
#

But I also understand that if SG were union they could have that support. I genuinely hope that there is resolution on both sides

#

Marin also openly stepped away from Ranking of Kings and Crunchyroll because CR has some pretty nasty business models that include using AI and declining union as well. I don't really know how to take that knowledge since I didn't do much research back then but I hope that this ends better

#

I think the difference is that CR has pretty much proven that they're not a good company

lunar ridge
#

Crunchyroll has always been bad on unions if i remember right they want to start using AI generated captions lol

pseudo sundial
#

Yep lol

worthy trellis
#

They have been using AI generated captions and subtitles for months now

#

It sucks abhorrently

#

I like Chinese animation and everything Crunchyroll gets its grubby hands on is ruined

#

Freaking unreadable, I tell you

pseudo sundial
#

Every once in a while I like rewatching anime but I will not support CR. Marin is far from the only VA they've screwed over

worthy trellis
#

no surprise whatsoever that Marin or anyone with the smallest concern over digital duplication would walk away from Crunchyroll

pseudo sundial
#

That situation, while still a bit vague on the contracts and stuff, I think was more black and white because CR is just bad

worthy trellis
#

I have some friends who translated for Crunchyroll and the conditions were horrible, their simulcasts are entirely based in workplace abuse

pseudo sundial
#

God that's horrid

dull bone
#

sooo how do I unlock/see ares boons? I have not seen him once yet

worthy trellis
#

they of course hire through agencies that look for workers in the global South to pay even less than they'd pay in the US

worthy trellis
dull bone
#

thanks

worthy trellis
#

no prob shadesmile

pseudo sundial
#

I'm just waiting for SG to say something a bit more substantial right now. I think saying "ball is in their court" is oversimplifying the situation but here's to hoping

#

It's going to be a tough situation regardless

rough holly
#

Gonna wish for more to speak plainly at this point.

pseudo sundial
#

Right right

#

Best wishes to everyone nectar

vapid shuttle
#

it sounds to me (from what I've seen, which isnt much) like SG is not willing to even talk to union reps. thats a bad look imo

harsh fog
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

vapid shuttle
#

idk why a small company would refuse to work with unions

#

happy employees = better games

harsh fog
#

One way or another it's up to them to resolve it we can't do much

vapid shuttle
#

so we're just not supposed to talk about it then? thats the one thing we CAN do

#

the more we talk about it the more pressure is on SG to get it done

#

SG has been good about listening to community feedback, so I hope they're listening to our opinions on this

harsh fog
worthy trellis
#

This situation randomly reminds me of how the private school I attended as a kid was constantly fighting the ministry of education and refusing to apply directives unless they were national law, and even so, they'd try to find a way to do stuff their own way, but the ministry put up with it and nobody really complained because we consistently ranked among the top 20 schools of the country

vapid shuttle
worthy trellis
#

The principal and owner was a furious European guy who spoke our language with a heavy accent and insulted public employee's intelligence to their faces :V

#

Maybe Supergiant is really reticent to change their modus operandi because they feel they can better guarantee their employee's wellbeing on their own

#

Just like my cranky principal

harsh fog
vapid shuttle
#

????

#

wdym "look out for"

dawn hazel
#

Why don’t we trust in SG like how we trust them to make their games. It’s not going to be an easy decision regardless to sign or not sign.

vapid shuttle
#

ok fence sitter

harsh fog
dawn hazel
#

A discussion around something where we don’t see the actual details of the contract feels very too uninformed.

#

So yes I will sit on my fence.

faint moth
#

not everything is black and white, there's a whole of shades of grey that's between the two extremes

pseudo sundial
#

Waiting to make a call until we have all the facts doesn't make you a fence sitter, it makes you rational

hasty drift
#

Zero sympathy for Marin, first siccs their followers on SGG and then goes "woe is me my life is hard"

pseudo sundial
#

And even when we know what's going to be done, choosing a side will still likely not be a good choice. What I personally want is what's best for both sides so they can continue doing what they love, so why choose a side?

#

We all just want a resolution, everyone can agree on that

harsh fog
pseudo sundial
#

For real lol

severe pecan
#

Before taking sides

arctic agate
#

I think Marin (and all vas) deserves what they are asking for, and would hope SSG can back what I assume would be a pro-union perspective in the company.

severe pecan
wild patrol
#

truthfully none of this should have ever been public and marin bringing it to social media seems really childish and petty

pseudo sundial
white coral
#

being afraid of unions is cop stuff, and i hope SG rethinks what they're doing

pseudo sundial
#

I don't think it's that SG is afraid of union, they have to do what's best for all of their VAs

hasty drift
#

also you can't just become a member, even if you could afford it

arctic agate
pseudo sundial
#

And who knows, maybe once it is clearer it could be the right way to go. But until then there is no right or wrong

harsh fog
hasty drift
arctic agate
hasty drift
#

sucks for them but they chose to work a non union job as a union member, they were part of Hades 1 so it's not like they didn't know

#

that's like number one rule of sag

worthy trellis
#

the industry landscape and the threat of AI have changed greatly between 2017/2018 and now, though

arctic agate
worthy trellis
#

Hades also made Supergiant way bigger and more famous than it was before, which, as Marin points out in their recent statement, makes their extensive voice samples for Hades II more vulnerable to copying/stealing

#

the decision of working non-union for Hades and the decision of doing it for Hades 2 aren't comparable

pseudo sundial
#

I personally am biased because I am a private person who thinks things should be resolved quietly, but if Marin tried that already things could be different. While I hope to god this isn't another bayonetta situation, I'm not confident to judge their decision right now

worthy trellis
#

Marin's pronouns are they/them btw

pseudo sundial
#

I'm so sorry, let me change it-

#

I'm thinking of Athena lol

worthy trellis
#

no worries it happens~

wild patrol
worthy trellis
#

if the claims of Supergiant having no interest to hear the union out are true, I hope they reconsider and sit down to talk

pseudo sundial
#

I will say the way they told people to email SG was a bit much in my opinion

worthy trellis
#

maybe they have misconceptions that could be cleared out, even if at the end, they decide to remain non-union

pseudo sundial
#

If they all got together and talked that'd be banger

worthy trellis
#

yup

pseudo sundial
#

There's just so many misunderstandings right now too that need to be cleared

worthy trellis
#

like, Supergiant seems confident they can protect their employees against things like genAI, but to what extent is that true? Maybe counting on the union's support, legally, financially or publicly, could come in handy way more than they suspect

#

and they won't know unless they get informed directly at the source

pseudo sundial
#

Right, because no matter what if people want to do something like using AI nothing will stop them. We've seen it with AI art

#

AI is so accessible nowadays that there really isn't a way to keep things safe without legal intervention

worthy trellis
#

bet Jen's art has already been fed to the slopmachine countless times 🤮

pseudo sundial
#

I hate to think of it but I don't doubt it lol

#

Every artist with distinct styles will likely suffer, it's horrid

worthy trellis
#

same with music, and even code/gameplay

#

it's a big task to defend all your assets against those thieves as a small studio

#

the more support or resources Supergiant has, the better

#

so if the union can offer that, why not?

#

I hope they find a middle ground

pseudo sundial
#

I was genuinely afraid when AI got to the point of making whole songs. I use a lot of vocal synths so generated speech isn't new to me but whole songs, it's insane

#

Right. I think if SG were to somehow find a plan that considers the best for their non union and overseas talents it would be the best resolution. Give them protection but creative freedom

#

That and do right by their people, give them what they need

lunar ridge
#

Super Giant can say they will protect their assets from getting scraped by AI or using AI themselves (not that I think they would) all they want but without a SAG contract in this case there's really no enforceable protections for voice actors here

#

voice actors outside of known celebrities arent multi-millionaires. its famously known as a part of the entertainment industry that is underpaid. the likelihood of any individual voice actor having the funds to pursue legal action on their own is basically 0

frank hedge
# lunar ridge definitely not a union expert what-so-ever but it seems like because of the wide...

not only can a non union actor only get a couple of those exceptions in their life before they have to join, afaik you can also only have so many non union actors even with those exceptions which in this case could mean recasting roles with union actors because they need to fill that quota.
the union reps commenting on this story make it sound like all supergiant needs to do is ask and they'll be willing to throw out every requirement to get them on board, but i doubt that's actually the case. this situation is a lot more complex than it's being portrayed

wet citrus
#

I'm also just going to say here that I don't exactly trust Marin Miller. The singular video of Drawfee that was taken down outside of technical or audio issues was the one about drawing other gods in Hades' art style with Miller involved in the process. Miller gave them incorrect information on said gods, even throwing in a fictional god from a Chinese Manwha while also talking about Shiva, a god that is actively being worshipped by a significant population.

We've also seen what happened with the Bayonetta situation a while ago, so I'd rather wait for more information to be available.

grand ivy
#

Miller never apologized for that, did they?

wet citrus
#

They did not.

grand ivy
#

I couldn't turn anything up when I was digging other than the Drawfee statement; thanks for giving me peace of mind I wasn't just failing in my Google skills

latent sapphire
#

I remember reading about Bastion in gameinformer as a kid, but I never got around to playing it.
The Hades games are my favorite rogue-likes. I really enjoy the care and detail put into the dialogue and interactions. Also the character designs are PEAK. Such wonderful interpretations.
The first game made me cry on more than one occasion, and I'm sure it'll happen again in the sequel.

sry for long post im doing the readme stuff. have a great one!

rough holly
#

I really should revisit Bastion. It's currently the only game I haven't finished at least one time.

worthy trellis
#

A god from that novel is the last thing they should pick up for a drawing prompt like this. The whole thesis of the story is that the so called gods are just humans, and the power system makes it so the more powerful you are, as a god or a ghost or a demon, the more human you look, because the human form is the pinnacle of spiritual cultivation

#

Use a lovecraftian entity, not someone who looks like a well-off teenager ahahahaha

#

That said, yeah, it was definitely a very poor decision to include Lord Shiva and not get properly informed about Hinduism for that video. Taking it down was a good decision

wet citrus
#

They used Final Fantasy's Shiva as the base, apparently. Which is crazy. Final Fantasy's Shiva by itself is alright since it's mostly a tie to Kali and their connection with time since Shiva usually freezes time, but yikes.

worthy trellis
#

The saddest part is that Hades already has a good example of how to include or reference existing religions in a respectful way. They did so with the hidden aspects of the weapons

worthy trellis
#

I told my Heaven Official's Blessing fandom friends about this. We've already found the drawing of Xie Lian (the fictional god in question) that people at Drawfee drew for the challenge, and are crying-laughing at the whole affair

#

Xie Lian is the God of Misfortune. It's very on theme for him to end up in a cursed video

severe pecan
#

Tbh that makes sense if this is the case

worthy trellis
#

But it doesn't align with anything Marin has said or with the content of the interim someone shared a couple of days ago

sharp garnet
#

So SAG's ai protections that they fought for during the last strike were incredibly disappointing for sure, but to say that makes them pro-AI is an oversimplification at best and just outright false at worst

#

Also SAG-AFTRA is definitely not perfect in how they protect their people but I've never seen an example of them undermining a studios own protections.

worthy trellis
#

Also, Supergiant said their games have never been union for a variety of reasons, which implies the reasons have existed since the Bastion days, when genAI wasn't a concern. Of course, the new genAI countermeasures must have weighted the scales one way or another, but the dispute isn't solely over genAI protections, there's more

#

We don't know what that more could be, we can only speculate and/or kindly request Supergiant to tell us what their reasons are

dire beacon
#

I have to assume it's because since the Bastion days they used a lot of their own people for voice acting.

#

Darren Korb becoming a union voice actor isn't practical.

sharp garnet
#

A game as small as Bastion it just didn't make a lot of sense to work with SAG-AFTRA Im sure. I doubt it was even a consideration back then.

dire beacon
#

It's a lot of rules and regulations that just aren't practical for a small indie company.

worthy trellis
#

I'm playing Bastion for the first time these days, and I've only heard two voices: the narrator and the singer. Those two are in-house

sharp garnet
#

Hades was likely the first time where it really came up

worthy trellis
#

So yeah, makes zero sense they'd look into becoming union

dire beacon
#

Instead of saying "Hey, can you pop into the booth and re-record that one line for the Stranger, it came out a bit funky on the audio?"

They have to book 4 hours of studio time.

#

I mean, if you read between the lines, the first time it came up is after Hades became wildly, hugely successful.

#

Truly a mystery why the Union was suddenly interested.

sharp garnet
#

Well let's not read between the lines too much, that's how misinformation gets started

dire beacon
#

I promise not to treat it as a fact, honest ^^

#

I just find it annoying how many members of SAG are in the threads, posting e-mail links and corporate spiels. It feels very scummy to me.

zealous barn
#

too late, now i do!

dire beacon
#

No I promise there's no proof ;-;

worthy trellis
#

Sjsjsjs

worthy trellis
dire beacon
#

😄

worthy trellis
#

I haven't watched the Hades documentary in a hot minute but I have that memory... And also that their studio got robbed during lockdown 😱

dire beacon
#

Ooof. Scary.

#

But yeah, even now they have what... 25 employees at Supergiant? Plus a handful of the voice actors that are contracted from outside, it's still a tiny lil indie baby.

#

Just you know. Successful.

worthy trellis
#

Boss baby zaggrin

lunar ridge
#

idk if youre actually anti union or just ill informed

#

i cant be too mad at the amount of anti union sentiment in here tbh, capitalists have spent the past 40 years utterly dismantling any kind of class consciousness or unionization efforts

worthy trellis
#

I've said it a few times in this channel already, I want Supergiant to talk with the union and get informed because I think the union could bring them great benefits they don't know about or have misconceptions about

#

I advocate for the musicians' union in the UK and I've seen how positive their work has been for musicians, unions are good

#

Because this is all speculation, I've worded some things in regard to Supergiant's possible point of view poorly

lunar ridge
#

"try getting union approval for that" is like text book pinkerton union busting propaganda - like yeah of course every union is gonna have some annoying red tape, ive experienced it myself but i dont think its good to generalize

worthy trellis
#

I know we're complete strangers and you don't have to assume the best of me, but please don't assume the worst either

#

I reiterate, it was poor wording and I want Supergiant and the actors and SAG-AFTRA to talk and work together

lunar ridge
#

youre all good no worries some people were saying some really silly bootlicker stuff in here on this
im more than willing to be charitable to super giant especially if they do the right thing here

orchid sluice
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I am discouraged by Supergiant's response so far, and the ongoing response (or lack thereof) has only made the situation more worrying to me. I understand it's a weekend so I don't expect Supergiant will comment again until Monday at the earliest, but things are a bit of a mixed bag at the moment.

I'm glad to have strong clarity from Supergiant that the company opposes the use of generative models in their work, and it's nice to hear that they are not currently considering any recasting. That said, it's concerning to me to hear from union organizers that they've been stonewalled when reaching out to Supergiant in the past. Not even sitting down to discuss the possibility of a union-backed contract is a somewhat baffling move given the studio's publicly stated position on worker's rights, and it makes it more difficult to assume good faith. I'm also disappointed both in the amount of anti-union sentiment that has arisen from parts of the community (a predictable outcome any time worker's rights come up in gaming) and the lack of moderator intervention to at least maintain civility. There's been significant speculation in this channel about ulterior motives on behalf of the VA that brought this situation to light and the union itself— and if the company isn't willing to stick its neck out for their talent in low-stakes, but nevertheless official, spaces like this Discord, it does not reflect well on their dedication to protecting that talent more generally.

I know there's a lot of speculation running around, but I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of people who are excited for Hades II (either in its current early-access state, or in anticipation of the full release) are disinterested in seeing Marin removed from the game, or seeing Supergiant Games' reputation damaged by a backstep away from their stated worker-first values — values I believe they hold in common with SAG-AFTRA. It shouldn't be too big of a lift for Supergiant to engage the union in good faith and find a solution that suits the game, the talent, and the fans thereof, and I hope that come next week we can expect to hear at least some expressed interest in discussing that direction with the union.

magic cloak
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I agree on all points; my hope about the lack of mod intervention is tied to them not having more information from SG themselves, (partially because it being the weekend) and likewise that, hopefully, there is/will be (after the weekend) a lot of internal discussion before we get more information, and we may have to wait longer for that information than most people want to have to wait just because it simply takes time, especially if part of these discussions means discussions with union representatives and their own lawyers. Just trying to process whatever information i find in good faith for all involved parties 🙂

tardy barn
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I think the discussion on here’s been pretty civil, at least from what I’ve seen.

tribal meadow
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why can't i react to your posts?

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i just wanted to aPES2_HmmmmNod

pseudo sundial
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It's one of the reasons I've refused to speak to anyone on any other website about this, because at least here people have been relatively rational

zealous barn
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wow i love your new name kraja (ur blocked)

tribal meadow
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yup

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wait what

pseudo sundial
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On Tumblr and bluesky there basically no middle ground lol

zealous barn
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cant react if ur blocked

tribal meadow
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yeah
i mean - this is one of the things i like about this community

tardy barn
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The one thing I haven’t been able to verify is the explanation floating around that SG isn’t becoming union b/c it would cause problems for the non-union actors. I haven’t found reliable evidence for that either way.

tribal meadow
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it's really rare to have such a civil convo about such a hot topic

pseudo sundial
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The post on Tumblr that brought my attention to this is, in my opinion, the most guilty part. It blew up and caused a lot of fearmongering. The OP shut down conversation rather quickly so people weren't seeing any other discussions

zealous barn
pseudo sundial
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I've accepted that there are just things we won't understand and the legal contracts are of them lol

harsh scaffold
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My two cents is to wait for more info. I remember Hellena, the prior voice of Bayonetta, doing her spiel on Twitter and the amount of chaos it caused. Jumping to conclusions helps nobody.

zealous barn
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i recommend r/hobbydrama for lil things with usually small repercussions that make for silly lil reads that are more lighthearted than this whole situation

harsh scaffold
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Plus, for what it's worth, Supergiant's handing this pretty well. Their track record's proof enough

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Not entirely, but ykwim

pseudo sundial
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So many people were bringing that up and begging people to just wait for more info but it's like when the next hunt begins no one remembers previous situations

magic cloak
pseudo sundial
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How many times has the internet been through things like this yknow?

harsh scaffold
magic cloak
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At least twice. Probably

harsh scaffold
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Multiply that by a couple million and there you go

pseudo sundial
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And I get that many people are quick to jump because so many game companies have proven to be corrupt, but SG for the most part has been doing good

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They've done things that others haven't, like supportkng their talent, and that mad respectable

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*that's

pseudo sundial
harsh scaffold
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There's lots of factors, too. Was Marin stood up to this? How reliable is Sag-AFTRA? Will joining the union mean recasting non-US voices?

pseudo sundial
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Right right

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The review bombing has been egregious too

harsh scaffold
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(at least it's free branding, lol)

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All will be revealed in due time, methinks

pseudo sundial
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Same here

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Light will always come through an opened curtain

rough holly
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Honestly, this situation reminded me that SAG was still striking... and that this is their second strike, I believe, in relation to protecting their members' from AI theft because they forgot to include voice acting while fighting for live-action actors.

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And conflicting info about what is and isn't fine.

harsh scaffold
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Honestly I'm surprised standards weren't set the moment AI became big

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Protections, watermarks, the like

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Or maybe I'm being naive

pseudo sundial
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I would love to believe the same but there's even AI that can remove watermarks and unblur images. Those forms of protection are woefully inadequate nowadays

harsh scaffold
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Good point good point

zealous barn
# pseudo sundial The review bombing has been egregious too

i am again reminded why i dont read reviews lmao, there's one with 'marin was already replaced', 'they might use gen AI' and 'i dont like early access'. never thought i'd be glad to read negative reviews that say 'i dont like the gameplay, progression etc'

pseudo sundial
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Ah yes, some actual food lmao

zealous barn
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stopped scrolling at a (positive) review that starts with

---{ Graphics }---
☐ You forget what reality is
☑ Beautiful
☐ Good
☐ Decent
☐ Bad
☐ Don‘t look too long at it
☐ MS-DOS

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it's so incredibly funny and terrible i love this format so much

harsh scaffold
pseudo sundial
zealous barn
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stuck in 2008 vidya magazine reviews

pseudo sundial
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I'm so happy to see those who are just enjoying themselves regardless. SG makes beautiful games. I can't forget that

harsh scaffold
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I still remember when Smash Bros Brawl was peak realism as a kid, haha

tribal meadow
zealous barn
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someone who uses this review format doesn't know anything about anything...

pseudo sundial
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Oh god anyone else know guardians of gahoole? The owls? That wii game was peak realism for me as a kid lmao

harsh scaffold
tribal meadow
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software-rendered quake 1 still looks good tho
and that crap runs in ms-dos

harsh scaffold
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There's doom ofc

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Aight, gotta head out and do stuff. Take care folks!

pseudo sundial
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I have no mouth and I must scream game was MS DOS that was banger

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Take care!

harsh scaffold
worthy trellis
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The original Spyro games were peak graphics to me, I believed I had seen real dragons with my mortal eyes. I picked the games up after like 15 years and was just like... Lmfao

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But Spyro is a super charming and fun game regardless, and the remasters look very nice

pine ocean
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Is there a accurate tl:dr on the "ai situation"? Feel like ive been reading a lot of misinformation and its just confusing to me

wild patrol
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sgg said in their bluesky post that they would never use generative ai. the other thing people could be referring to is that the voice actors don't have any legal representation if their lines are stolen by another party for the use in generative ai unless sgg signs a union contract w/ sag because only then will sag aftra cover any legal fees if that occurs.

dire beacon
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Essentially, the whole situation isn't really about A.I. Supergiant's stance on A.I is strong. (stronger than SAG's really.)

It's about Union stuff. SGG doesn't have a Union contract, and the Union (and Marin, at least.), would like them to have one.

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Like you could say the lawsuit stuff is vaguely related, but I find that whole argument silly.

neon kayak
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W

fleet ferry
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also btw, not rebutting you, just saying in general. i probably shouldn’t have replied to a msg

dire beacon
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Pshhh, reply away. We're all just here to talk, don't feel bad about a lil thing like that!

fleet ferry
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but yea, it seems like more stories/truth came out from the original source of this thing. i doubt it’d be the last. it’s tiring to keep up with this like with many other things on the internet. Just have an open mind and if this doesn’t hurt you, go on about your day.

harsh fog
dire beacon
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I understand why companies don't just communicate more freely.

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It's easy to say something without giving it a huge amount of thought and suddenly news outlets are reporting about how you hate pizza or something.

fleet ferry
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I agree. But sometimes, it is also best to stay quiet. because even if they were open, there will be more people who might look it the wrong way and try to twist their words and cause more attention to it. But in SGG’s case, i don’t see them needing to communicate more when their reputation is already good

harsh fog
fleet ferry
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yea.

harsh fog
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I'm not trying to give sgg a clean slate but to be fair their games (Hades as example) are one of the not many games that helped me process dark stuff in the background 🫂

dire beacon
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Absolutely. I trust them as a dev team, but it's always nice to know the details.

fleet ferry
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yea, SGG is really awesome, but can people have their own opinions.but when I see people saying they will never support their games or review bomb off of this, it just seems so silly to me cause it’s also disingenuous because they’re not reviewing the game but their personal bias

dire beacon
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I try very hard to never see things as clear cut, and to never be dogmatic. Just because one side is a Union doesn't mean they're always good and right. And just because I love the games they make, doesn't mean the company can't do any wrong.

harsh fog
dire beacon
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So far it looks like drama for the sake of drama, but if I'm proven wrong then I'm ok with that ^^

fleet ferry
# harsh fog You're basically suggesting it could've been picked up in a humane and respectfu...

ig what im saying is, people can be really easily swayed without doing research or much info on something, leading to rash action to support their stance. and then when the situation turns a 180, then it really surprises them. I just don’t think it’s worth anyone to invest too much time into something that doesn’t affect them irl. getting involved in helping your friend or family is probably more important than an internet debackle

harsh fog
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...really autocorrect? Why not let's add the word drama double thanks

neon kayak
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my first supergiant game was Hades and i love it, one of my top 10 fav games no questions zagluv

harsh fog
pseudo sundial
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Same here, wouldn't have spent almost two years now cross stitching all the Bond Forged icons if I didn't love it dearly lol

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hades 2 please give me more bond Forged icons I need them

harsh fog
pseudo sundial
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I get that. I started playing hades after loosing two people very close to me. It helped me through that among other things. SG will always have my gratitude for giving me something to do during sleepless nights ❤️

harsh fog
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^I wont go in further details

pseudo sundial
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You're good, it's awesome you were able to make it through zagluv

harsh fog
pseudo sundial
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God same qvq

severe pecan
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Only thing that beats it is cyberpunk

neon kayak
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i've never played cyberpunk i've heard it's better though then it was

harsh fog
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its..just the moment i started playing hades i cried, i laughed and it felt like a warm blanket..a game that well helps process stuff youve been hurt by

worthy trellis
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Hades held me together through the last couple months of a hellish, horrible job, and also through my first COVID infection. I developed golfer's elbow specifically by working nonstop in my Orpheus cosplay during the day and playing Hades nonstop during the night, but I'm not even mad 😂

runic monolith
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Hades is the game that got me hooked on roguelikes, and I absolutely adored it on so many levels. I ended up getting a little burnt out on it, but then Hades 2 got announced, with a huge number of changes to the combat system that I absolutely adore!

ebon trail
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Bastion, when it first came out was the game that hooked. Absolutely loved the feel, the music and made me really fall in love with the genre of games. Transistor was also fantastic and have been playing the Hades still , and need to work my way back to Pyre and Hades 2 still.

dire beacon
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I'm just waiting patiently for the full release of Hades 2 to sink into it.

verbal garnet
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There's no voice channels lol

zealous barn
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damn. h*eck, even

pseudo prism
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? why do people expect voice channels

severe pecan
pseudo prism
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im in a bunch that don't have them haha they are a pain to moderate

tribal meadow
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yeah
and then there's also the fact that this is a pg13 server

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and with open voice channels even the best profanity bot won't save you

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not that this one is any good peepoSmug2

zealous barn
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yeah…

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:(

tribal meadow
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hang on - lemme check if i can talk about one of my favorite games called

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nope
still can't

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:(

zealous barn
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btfo

mild thistle
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are they gonna censor the female snorunt evolution

rough holly
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the what?

haughty crane
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It's a pokemon name that has a swear in it

tribal meadow
zealous barn
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tried to look it up and i dont even know what word

rough holly
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the first I've heard of use offensively. I only knew the first definition and the actual use of it.

zealous barn
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oh lmfao it‘s so obvious i didnt even get it

dire beacon
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I mean it's just the word for butt.

zealous barn
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wtf dont say that!!!

dense spindle
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plenipotentiary

hasty karma
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Hi, I just joined.
The first of these games I played was Bastion on the X-Box 360, though I only had the demo up until 2017.
I didn't know there were more games until 2019, I haven't played Transistor (yet) but my mom really likes that one.
My favorite, is also Bastion followed closely by Pyre.

olive hull
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pyre fan!!! awesome

scenic cove
severe pecan
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So how do we feel Melinoe va performance?

hasty karma
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I haven't played Hades II yet so I don't know.

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(Sorry for the late replies, I had to go clean a pool.)

hasty karma
severe pecan
hasty karma
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That's a nice list.

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I've only played 5 of those games, 6 if I count Helldivers II

severe pecan
hasty karma
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Hades, Hollow knight, The legend of Zelda TotK, Doom eternal, & Baulders gate 3

severe pecan
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Nice

hasty karma
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Man, I can't make a good list of my favorites, & I've never been able to.

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How the heck do you do that?

severe pecan
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And watching to much YouTube

hasty karma
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That's not fair I got the autism too.

severe pecan
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I’m cooked

hasty karma
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Lol, you might be.

faint moth
harsh fog
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👋

severe pecan
hasty karma
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I passed my drivers ed test, LETS GOOOOOOO!!!

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To celebrate, I'm gonna play Pyre.

short tundra
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congrats!

hasty karma
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Thanks.

severe pecan
jade flare
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🤓

fervent tusk
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yeah I hope they work everything out with the union and non union actors

quick sun
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i like collecting videogame vinyls, would be awesome if one for hades 2 is printed in the future shadesmile

tired vessel
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im sure it will at some point

fervent tusk
fervent tusk
quick sun
fervent tusk
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I want it so bad but the price. It's worth it tho just can't justify it rn

quick sun
fervent tusk
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Korb is a genius! Especially after this most recent update like he's literally in his John Williams bag with those horns, get this man an orchestra!!!

fervent tusk
quick sun
fervent tusk
olive hull
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i have all the supergiant ones (except for the separate pyre one which i want SOOO bad) but... no record player zagcry

quick sun
fervent tusk
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Oh I'm not sure how

fervent tusk
olive hull
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you can post links and they will embed

harsh fog
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alma

olive hull
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like from imgur or another discord server

harsh fog
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Any more Alma lore waiting for us?

quick sun
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from my phone album

olive hull
zealous barn
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I was at a garden party at a friend‘s a few years ago and we talked for a while until some absurdly loud jazz was blaring from the top floor of the house and the host said ‚yeah that‘s my grandpa, he doesn‘t hear very well. That will last for about an hour‘

olive hull
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LMAO

quick sun
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nevermind just realized attachments are disabled

olive hull
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i did indulge in a bit of playing music on speakers for a few hours at a reasonable volume today... as i was reading a game lore wiki to write about it

harsh fog
olive hull
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7 hours of wiki-reading later, i might now be able to understand enough to write with accuracy

olive hull
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or i just play it on my phone instead of proper speakers

harsh fog
fervent tusk
violet hemlock
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yea i use my headphones w my audio technica

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but that would mean you would have to have both lmfao

tranquil matrix
#

Just received my copy of Developing Hell. So glad it came to the EU store. Will go nice with my Skelly, Cerberus and Dusa.

Would post pics but I don't seem to be able to on this server?

olive hull
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you can send links and they will embed, from image hosting sites or even other discord servers

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still waiting on mine 😞 i hope there are no troubles with shipping

harsh fog
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Hey alma ^^ wishing everyone a nice Hades day

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^idk what else to use then Hades and since..most of the topic is Hades rn why not gilmanlove

tranquil matrix
tranquil matrix
severe pecan
mild flame
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Does hades 2 run on potato pcs?

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Hades 1 ran at 1080p 60fps at like 90-95% gpu usage?

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Gonna buy hades 2 during the spring sale so hoping it would run at 1080p 60fps on low settings. Would appreciate if anyone with a low end pc tell me their specs and fps.

harsh fog
mild flame
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12400 and uhd 730, 16gb ram.

harsh fog
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Uhd that's Intels Intergrated Graphics

mild flame
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Yeah

harsh fog
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So not a real GPU hm mean Hades 2 ran fine on my ryzen 5-5500U APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) that has 512Mb V-ram

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If Hades 1 runs fine I could suppose that 2 should run a-ok too

mild flame
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I'm sure it would easily run it at 60fps on 900p

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Just not so sure about 1080p.

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I've got a laptop with a 3070 ti but I prefer playing on my PC.

harsh fog
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Look (no offense) but a laptop GPU is not the same as a pc gpu

mild flame
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Yeah ik. It's equivalent to a desktop 3060 apparently.

harsh fog
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It should run fine on your pc

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should with a caviar

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I've an rtx 3060 12gb version and it's a beast

mild flame
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Yeah, my friend has that too.

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I'm gonna sell the laptop and get a 4070 super when the prices drop, though I think I'll have to change my motherboard too.

harsh fog
mild flame
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Yeah, from asus. Other parts should work a-ok tho.

harsh fog
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So it's a pre-built pc?

mild flame
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The psu needs to be changed too ig.

mild flame
harsh fog
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Especially if it's a stock power supply

mild flame
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Yeah, I am thinking a x670

faint moth
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can we get a pic of the mobo?

harsh fog
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Hey aggy

faint moth
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asus iirc typically don't do propriatry mobo's

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hihi :3

harsh fog
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Or is it..eggy 🤔

faint moth
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my egg already hatched :3

faint moth
harsh fog
faint moth
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ye, that's why I'm asking for the specific pre build

harsh fog
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Glad I've been able to built a pc myself including parts :3

valid zealot
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Hope this is the right place to ask, is there any specific role or mailing list we can use to be notified when collector's items (like vinyls, merch etc) get announced?

I was so gutted to miss the SG 10th anniversary vinyl collection (🥲) and really hoping to not miss a Hades II one whenever it might come out - assuming probs with the 1.0 release or sometime after. 🤞 I'm obsessed with my iam8bit Hades set. 🤩

olive hull
valid zealot
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Brill, thank you! I'll see if I can find signups for 'em both. Loving all the new music 🤩✨

harsh fog
spark path
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when will osts be back to youtube music? it's been months since they're gone and I miss them ☹️

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only transistor and singles are available

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I want to listen to pyre while I work...

haughty crane
# spark path when will osts be back to youtube music? it's been months since they're gone and...

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL53mjgVKFq7wTRSwKFj3Fdom_wwItnIpg&si=hcE382OJnJlsJRuC

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL53mjgVKFq7yPfCiSJaA_aI2SPKrnEmmJ&si=xguWCPM_ruaWdQh4

YouTube
Pyre Original Soundtrack

Get the full OST at: http://store.supergiantgames.com/ Pyre on Steam: http://goo.gl/VGJMDN Pyre on PS4: http://goo.gl/1e5rTF Note: We highly recommend playin...

YouTube
Bastion Original Soundtrack
spark path
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ty but not the same

haughty crane
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What's different? <genuine>

spark path
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video vs proper audio release

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youtube music doesn't recognize them as albums either

haughty crane
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Oh interesting.

They are available on YTM as community playlists, but I didn't realize the audio quality was that different.

spark path
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they may be good enough but not as convenient as albums 😔
they were all available under Darren's page

harsh fog
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Lemme take a dive

real moss
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There is always Bandcamp, right?

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On Darren Korbs page you can find all the releases

spark path
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sideloading albums is not convenient, I'm unsure they even work with youtube music (adding to playlists, playing along other albums, play on desktop etc) and I'd still need to purchase them
hades 2 is not available on bandcamp, but the osts are available on steam too so that would be a better option to me than bandcamp anyway

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well hades 2 seems to not be widely available for now, probably due to EA
but the other 5 games are available on amazon music, spotify, apple music, tidal... feels bad to not be able to listen due to choosing the 'wrong' service

real moss
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I meant just playing the albums from the website or the app (instead of yt music), you can do that for free. No need to buy anything. Hades 2 is not on there yet though, yeah

wild hull
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darren and austin are performing on the 19th but i think tickets got sold out 😔

valid zealot
#

I was so close to going GDC again this year as well, gutting to have missed 'em again! Hope we get another concert over in the UK again someday 🤩🤞

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I was going to provide an example of what Darren's YTM page looks like with all the albums having been removed vs how it used to, but seems we can't post pics in here.

It's a little disappointing as YTM is my preferred streaming service when I'm on the go - much better than Spotify imo. Hope it can get resolved sometime 🤞

haughty crane
severe pecan
deft herald
#

If anyone is going to anime nyc would anyone be interested in a super giant cosplay shooy

severe pecan
#

Was there a ghost ping?

scenic cove
severe pecan
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Will be getting pyre, bastion, and transitioner today

hoary forum
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Hell yeah, you are in for a treat

short tundra
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heeeeell yeah 🙌 🙌 🙌

wild hull
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Anyone have videos from GDC today?

severe pecan
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Her story’s have some

short tundra
#

does anyone here do nail art? i want to do sgg nail art but i've never done it before and i'm struggling with finding nail polish for it

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i dont want to spend a lot but so many of the cheaper nail polish websites don't have swatches :/

harsh fog
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hey babstion ^^

short tundra
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hey dude

harsh fog
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hows it rollin?

short tundra
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nb, kinda tired and watching yt videos

harsh fog
short tundra
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not bad not bad

viscid inlet
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is it out

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aw man may? 💔

faint moth
short tundra
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thanks!

muted totem
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hii

hoary forum
night shuttle
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Hi

harsh fog
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👋

cunning frost
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Hi

soft barn
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🌊

wicked smelt
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Hi

summer cradle
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hi

zealous barn
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hi

modest badger
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hi

haughty jungle
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hi!

rough lodge
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Hi

torn beacon
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Hi

tired vessel
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Hello

nocturne kite
#

Hi

harsh fog
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👋

onyx condor
#

hey

analog gulch
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Hi

bronze elm
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hi

lofty ibex
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Hi

hoary forum
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Hey! rooHiWave

sly lake
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hi!

green lotus
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👍

queen shoal
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Hello

minor sable
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Ahoy!🌊

acoustic geyser
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hello 👋

rotund cove
#

hello!

tribal meadow
#

can we rename this channel to "#supergiant-greetings" ? PES_Lul

open shale
#

Someone should start a petition for that

harsh fog
strange topaz
#

hello

open shale
#

hello

fleet schooner
#

hey guys newbie question is there any announcement for when is the full release of hades II?

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or is the story are completed?

harsh fog
restive dragon
#

are the other supergiant games also rogue likes?

tired vessel
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Nope. They’re all really good though!

burnt meadow
#

pyre is rad

thin briar
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YEA AAAAAAAA AAAA

tired vessel
#

All 3 are rad

I 100% all of them and then got sad because I wanted to keep playing them and doing the little goals and stuff 😭

neon kayak
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hihi hiiii

desert nymph
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hi everyone : )

willow tulip
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hi

hoary forum
hidden stag
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👋 hello

swift river
vapid latch
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Sup

ashen thicket
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Hello

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Well I did something stupid

ashen thicket
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Hello

harsh fog
ashen thicket
# harsh fog ?

@harsh fog Well hello. I'm new to Haiti's the game. And I'm trying to get all the weapons and let's just say I did not know. You can upgrade your baseware. My main character's dad is and let's just say I've been using those crystals. You trade them for keys and I do not know I can upgrade. The house where I go every time you die. And yeah, much to sayeah, I'm a dumb a** and I'm new to Hades. This is my first time playing it and let's just why does my dad don't take Cerberus? The 3 head dog out for walkies.

harsh fog
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all i can say is use different tactics

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and learn from your runs

ashen thicket
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I'm not that good at using different tactics.I don't think I'm good.At is good in god's blazing like rambo or the punisher

harsh fog
ashen thicket
harsh fog
ashen thicket
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???

ashen thicket
# harsh fog ???

@harsh fog If you don't.
Know what is a God of the symbiotes.Just type it in on Google, let's just say he's scary.
And also, if you don't do not know what is a symbio.Te look when they're kind of scary cute but scary

harsh fog
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🤨

hoary forum
violet hemlock
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my songs of supergiant vinyl i bought for $25 without the box gets here soon this is huge

open shale
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Hell yeah!!

hoary forum
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Oooh, nice! PanGClap

toxic crag
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the little zag emojis are so cute

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i love him

harsh fog
severe pecan
violet hemlock
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pspsps little request my vinyl got here but i’m wondering if anyone has the songs of sgg vinyl?? and if you do would you mind sending me photos of the sleeve and the interior?

neon kayak
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This silly little thing

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I love it

olive hull
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Just appeared to let you all know that even if I’m not capable of opening the boxes to pose them right now this moment they’ve been reunited

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she doesn’t seem to have the same cool cardboard backdrop as the h1 nendoroids which I think zagreus has asphodel meg has tartarus and thanatos has elysium hers is just plain color but she is still of course immensely cute

digital kestrel
violet hemlock
modest badger
olive hull
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yeah the preorders were in september she just shipped

severe pecan
fossil sandal
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So i was watching Indicross and which Supergiant Protag you think would be the most likely to end up in that

severe pecan
bitter portal
olive hull
analog condor
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Annual request for a crossover game featuring every SGG narrator (Rucks, Mr. Nobody, AJ, and Homer) fighting over the narration.

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Yes, it's just Logan playing 4 roles.

tribal meadow
analog condor
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I've never played one, but I'm thinking more like Super Robot Wars.

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Some handwaving "Whoa, how did we all get dumped here?" and then a vaguely original plot.

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Potentially one of the villains of one of the constituent games is the overarching villain, maybe it's an original villain for the crossover.

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I just need those four fighting in narration.

tribal meadow
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nah nah nah

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the villain would be Warner Bros dusa

analog condor
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Is that a Multiversus reference?

tribal meadow
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nah it's a bastion reference

analog condor
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OH MY GOD COYOTE VS ACME IS HAPPENING.

tribal meadow
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where a game made by 7 people has a credits sequence that goes on for 10 minutes

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listen - i love the art that went into those credits, but come on PES_Lul

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mgs3 has shorter credits than bastion

analog condor
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Hey, I like SGG credits.

tribal meadow
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i do too

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i like how in transistor you hit the credits and...
there's no credits

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just some pretty pictures showing red's every day life

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and then the whole team fits on one screen

analog condor
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I still can't listen to In The Blood without crying.

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I hit the horn swell at the start and it's like Elliot Reid being told "Eyebrows," in Scrubs.

tribal meadow
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she has diabetes PES_Lul

analog condor
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and i'm only kinda-sorta joking there

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she's not much into video games (she only plays rummikub and whooped my ass 3-1 yesterday and i felt like i was 10 again)
but she really likes darren's music

analog condor
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I sent my little brother a link to The Unseen Ones and he said he'd look into it.

tribal meadow
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spoilers, sheesh

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i wonder if darren is cooking something similar for bastion 3: hades 2

analog condor
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That is not the ambient stuff he likes to listen to while he works, but most of the rest of the game OSTs are.

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I've been saying for some time that the second half of The Titan of Time sounds like a NIN track.

tribal meadow
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  • keeps fingers crossed *
    please let it be frank klepacki or sonic mayhem
analog condor
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Hang on, lemme try to find the specific one, it's off The Downward Spiral.

tribal meadow
zealous barn
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but i kinda get what you mean

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i have nin on my daily rotation on spotify

analog condor
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I'm half-expecting to enter phase 3 of the Chronos fight and just hear Trent start screaming.

tribal meadow
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DUDE

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oh that would be so sick

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oh i never thought of it

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imagine
hades 2 being trent's big return to video games

analog condor
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Eraser.

tribal meadow
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OH YEAH

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the drums

analog condor
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Second half of Chronos's boss tune.

tribal meadow
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oh i can totally hear that

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good catch mate

analog condor
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Thank you, thank you.

tribal meadow
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i consider the downward spiral to be my favorite album and yet i still haven't caught that

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it kinda puts into perspective greg's comment that mel would probably listen to 90s industrial if she had spotify

analog condor
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I missed that comment, but I'm glad I nailed Darren's NIN kick while he was composing.

analog condor
tribal meadow
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"Mom listen! that's the guy from that facebook movie!"

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darren gets trent to collab and hades 2 suddenly jumps from being t-rated to 18+

analog condor
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Nah, you just filter it through so much static that it's unintelligible.

tribal meadow
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or the vocals cut off halfway through the song and you can't tell if it's censorship or if another mic had to pay the ultimate price

analog condor
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The things we do for art.

tribal meadow
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now i gotta see some fantart of mel in a nin t-shirt

analog condor
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Gratzie.

tribal meadow
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i would've done it myself in blender but i don't have that model so PeepoShrug

analog condor
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Eris's Extreme Measures fight has her done up like a goth. Mel is incredibly envious.

tribal meadow
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i mean - she's already got a big gun

analog condor
tribal meadow
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she's probably gonna rock lucy on EM or something like that

analog condor
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Yes, but I need every fight to end with "Where'd she get that collar? I want one." like Zagreus talking smack about the Macedonian.

analog condor
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I know Lucifer kinda stunk. It's still my favorite singular Aspect in Hades.

tribal meadow
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i mean - lucy had the super soaker build
that was fun

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i just don't want to be on the receiving end of it PES_Lul

analog condor
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I play on MKB, I used the Prothean Particle Rifle build.

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Hades's Aid, Deadly Strike.

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Not sorry I used an ME3MP Infiltrator in Hades.

olive hull
analog condor
timber whale
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who here still plays bastion

violet hemlock
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nobody plays supergiant games here

hoary forum
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Never heard of them

harsh fog
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Jeez..down the rabbit hole we go

harsh fog
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OK...(this might be anticlimactic since well...I wrote an email towards Supergiant games once regarding the Hades game franchise) but since I'm here anyway...sending some more well deserved positivity can't harm right?

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**From my own point of view:
As someone who has struggled with mental health — from relapses to moments where I felt like giving up entirely — I honestly don’t know how to put this into words, but here goes…

Playing games like Hades, created by such a passionate and thoughtful indie team, has meant more to me than I can express. These aren't just games or “experiences.” You can feel the knowledge, the emotion, the dedication behind them — from Darren Korb’s music that breathes life into every scene, to the voice actors who pour their hearts into every line, to the developers who build worlds filled with care, creativity, and humanity.

Even though I never gave feedback during early access, I’m grateful to be part of this community and to support Supergiant Games in any way I can. These games helped me feel seen, grounded, and inspired in moments when that wasn’t easy.

So… a huge thank you to everyone at Supergiant, and to this amazing community. You deserve every bit of appreciation.gilmanpride **

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One way or another (not to cause chaos or anything related to that) while I already had sent an email a while back... i felt like complimenting the whole community was welcome 😅 neither do I know if this is the right channel so sorry in advance if this is the wrong channel

glossy timber
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i'm not reading allat

glacial bridge
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Joke: tell me Hades2 isn't moonlighter Greek version

haughty crane
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I see it ErinNod

willow dagger
modest mirage
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Hello Supergiant Games discord server

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Hope y'all are having a nice day

hoary forum
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Likewise friend! PE_PandaLove

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Hell, have a nice weekend you all since it's Friday (at least for me) already

harsh fog
iron mist
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Hello all! Been around since Bastion all the way back in the day, now grinding away at Hades II salute

remote oak
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hi

hoary forum
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To both of ya

hasty meteor
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Hello! I am so excited to be here! 🖤 I played Hades and am SO pumped for Hades 2!

willow tulip
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hades

clever lynx
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Hey everyone

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I got the game earlier today and im curious

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How long does an average gamer these days take to kill hades the first time?

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Thank you 🙂

harsh fog
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But would say from my pov if the run goes smoothly I would say approx 30 to 45 minutes

harsh fog
clever lynx
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I mean how long did they take to reach and kill hades?

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1 day?

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1 week?

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A few hours?

harsh fog
clever lynx
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Your first time?

harsh fog
clever lynx
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You downloaded the game

harsh fog
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Took me a few days if not weeks to kill hades

harsh fog
clever lynx
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And in 30 to 45 minutes you beat it once?

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Ah there we go

harsh fog
clever lynx
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A few days for you then?

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Ok thanks 🙂

harsh fog
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But like I said it depends oer weapon per run and per boons

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Some runs go easy and sometimes it's a pain in the ass and you need to try again with different weapons etc

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But it's up to you it's your choices

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Everyone plays hades different

clever lynx
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Yeah i have to assume if you play with def buffs vs offensive buffs its takes alot longer

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But in my case... I havent even seen all the gods so xD ill leave that speed run for later