h2-for-new-players

[desert silo]

and they only ||start giving you more nightmare at 10 fear||

iirc ||the 1, 2, 4, and 8 fear testaments are 1 nightmare, 10 and 12 are worth 2 nightmare, and 16 and 20 are worth 3||

[glass cloud]

||how do I tell which boss is marked for oath of the unseen /?||

Pls help

[tidal moss]

It's in the portrait

[glass cloud]

What

I can’t recognise this person

Do I use google lense

[wary night]

take a screenshot and dm it or something
it has to be one of ||8|| options 🤷

[glass cloud]

It looks like a dog so ye but he only has one head

[tidal moss]

Is that not just cerberus

[glass cloud]

He has three heads

[wary night]

sounds like maybe ||the final boss of the surface|| if it has one head and is more animal looking than human

[tidal moss]

Just dm a screenshot

[glass cloud]

Is there a marked weapon too how do I know which weapon to use

[vivid flare]

Nah, he only appears for the 16F Testament

[vivid flare]

Underneath the portrait, you'll see the weapon you need to use

[wary night]

the icon below the portrait shows the weapon
also if you have the right weapon equipped the portrait will be easier to see

[glass cloud]

Ahhhh

Ok thx so much

[glass cloud]

Ur dm doesn’t work

U haven’t seen it yet i mean

[tidal moss]

Yeah cause I didn't want to respond it it lmao

[glass cloud]

Why not ?

[tidal moss]

Because it was weird

[glass cloud]

Noo I’m just curious

[olive gyro]

highly flammable can only be triggered once per enemy right?

[wary night]

yup, sadly
one of my least favorite boons in the game for that exact reason lol

[olive gyro]

gotcha! thank you so much!! i paused the game for clarification
and you deffo saved my time
i really appreciate it

[desert silo]

what weapon and fear level

[glass cloud]

Skull

I think it’s 5

So he probably doggie

[desert silo]

there's no 5 fear testament...

[glass cloud]

Is Mel on skull worth getting to v rank cos like

Deleted

Don’t like

Is it better. ?

My Mel is alr iv so I’m like why not just get it to v

[desert silo]

medea skull is generally considered one of the best aspects in the game but like
mel skull doesn't cost nightmare to upgrade so if you've got spare resources then feel free to spend them on it

[glass cloud]

Huh but madea skull needs me to dash

[half stag]

Agreed

[tidal moss]

H u h

[glass cloud]

It’s really troublesome when I’m fighting time cos I’ll keep dashing into those golden bubbles

[tidal moss]

Medea is just goated, although I do like mel

[glass cloud]

Ye

[glass cloud]

But can u answer my question or nah

[tidal moss]

I'm not responding to your dm

[glass cloud]

Actually nvm

Ye ok

Wait I asked if I should get any magic regain cos that means huntress is never activated

[vivid flare]

Well, there's a few MP regens that you can use that'll still let you keep Huntress going (and open up Duos)

Born Gain, Flood Gain, and Ionic Gain

[glass cloud]

But those aren’t as good as like lucid u know

But is it a worth it trade off

[vivid flare]

Born Gain was literally the first thing I mentioned

[glass cloud]

Ok

[glass cloud]

Do u use strength

[vivid flare]

Yes

[glass cloud]

But u said he fell off

And what is chaos trial ?

[tidal moss]

Strength is very good

[tidal moss]

You play through a region with a predetermined aspect and boons

[glass cloud]

Is that unlockable ?

[wary night]

if you're using enough magick that lucid gain is useful, you probably either won't care about huntress being off sometimes or shouldn't be running it in the first place
huntress only buffs non-omega moves

so if your build uses a lot of magick, then huntress isn't buffing all those attacks you're using magick on 🤷

[glass cloud]

Oh

Ok im going to deactivate that asap

But all the other cards are trash

[tidal moss]

Keep it on

[glass cloud]

Any other good cards with same grasp

[glass cloud]

Yes I suppose so

[wary night]

they're very likely not
how much grasp do you have? the full 30 rn?
furies is probably the best and most universal 2 cost card for offense

[glass cloud]

Welll I have 25 I think

[wary night]

usually my 2 cost cards if I'm doing a reroll build (or early game builds in general) are furies and persistence, so I'd recommend those over huntress generally

huntress is great on specific weapons, but kinda useless on some others

[glass cloud]

U our more retools ?

But aren’t those useless for fighting are they worth it ?

[vivid flare]

I said it falls off once you turn off 95% of the ways to heal yourself

[half stag]

A scenario where Melinoë takes Zagreus with her to the Olympus route. Then they confront Prometheus and Heracles

[wary night]

rerolls help you get a stronger build
the more you know about the game, the better they are, since you can guarantee getting gods and boons which are actually good for your weapon. rerolls are quite strong and generally worth it

[tidal moss]

Yes they are worth it

[glass cloud]

but u lose stuff like etrnity right

yward son

[wary night]

you eventually reach a point where rerolls are less worth it, but for where you are in the game they're likely the best use of that grasp (once you have 30 anyway)

[vivid flare]

Wayward Son is affected by the Vow of Scars, so

[tidal moss]

Eternity is overrated

[glass cloud]

ok when can i unlock the incantation to get six builds im tired of actiavting and de4actibvating and vice versa

[vivid flare]

Also, yeah, Eternity is pretty mediocre

[wary night]

eternity is good in a couple situations, but probably not for you rn, 3 grasp is a lot

[glass cloud]

😭

[glass cloud]

😡

[vivid flare]

Night mogs it

[glass cloud]

night over eternity?

🈷️

[wary night]

generally for early game if you want a fairly universal build I'd recommend something like this https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMyMCIsImMyMSIsImMyMiIsImMyNCJd
once you have max grasp 🤷
some people run swift runner instead of wayward, or something else instead of lovers, but that was my general use build when I wanted to be safe and flexible. some weapons like night or huntress, but they're more niche cards

strength is an option too if you like it, ofc, adjust as needed to fit your preferences

but a lot of early game arcana loadouts will look vaguely like that, more or less

[glass cloud]

ok but likje rn i dont have any better opti ns for that grasp so should i turn offf hurntress and u know eternity to get champions?

[wary night]

with 25 grasp.... hm. what do other people think, just the normal setup minus boatman maybe?

[vivid flare]

I generally wouldn't recommend going into the reroll corner until Champions and Enchantress are rank 2, and especially if you can't afford Boatman

[wary night]

that's fair I suppose
I still wouldn't really recommend eternity right now

[glass cloud]

cant i just get purse why would u want to waste 5 points just to get more gold?

[glass cloud]

but strenth is trighta?

right'

[wary night]

strength and death are both fine, use whichever you prefer 🤷
(just not both at once)

[tidal moss]

Purse is really bad and boatman is really good

[vivid flare]

Because that frees up a keepsake slot and will activate Fates for more rerolls

[glass cloud]

i was talking aboyut strenth arvcana guy

like etrernity bis goood for 3 grasp

[wary night]

I agree with strength, eternity is almost never going to be worth it for you right now

[glass cloud]

where is the keepsake cdabinety in my rubs it doesnt show up in every room is it only fiorst room

[glass cloud]

what i meant is

[somber marten]

Do I finally take Worry Free? Nah.

[tidal moss]

You need an incantion for that

[vivid flare]

You'll get an incantation to have it appear between biomes once you get ~15 keepsakes

[glass cloud]

i did i unlcoked itrr alr

[wary night]

I mean it's a lot of hp tbh, it's a very good boon if you don't mind not knowing how close to death you are

[wary night]

it shows up in the room after each boss, the one with a fountain
if you've already done that incantation

[glass cloud]

i seee

can u special using argent sakull thorugh titan dash like u dash through it

but i havent treid specialing through it

[wary night]

skull special doesn't have i-frames, you can still take damage during it, so it's not quite the same as a real dash
skull Ωspecial does make you invulnerable for the duration, tho

[glass cloud]

ye

how do i se my relation with npcs?

[wary night]

book of shadows (codex), after doing the incantation "empath's intuition"

[glass cloud]

i did incation but how to se bok of shadows?

[wary night]

if you're on PC the keybind is C I think? switch no idea

[glass cloud]

is it free on pc ? can i just buy it on steam

[tidal moss]

What?

[wary night]

the game costs money in PC too, why would it be free lol

[glass cloud]

idk

[wary night]

but also if you forgot the button you can just look in settings and see what the keybind is

[tidal moss]

Are you 8 years old

[glass cloud]

bud wwhy so agressive no obviously no

jk

[vivid flare]

Discord AI about to ban your ass

[glass cloud]

💀

tbh she was aking questions about my sensit8ive info

[tidal moss]

I wasn't being serious dumbass

[glass cloud]

bro take a joke

i waws playing along

[pallid sparrow]

How do you change which weapon has Grave Thirst

[tidal moss]

Complete a run, chaos trial, or die

[shy zephyr]

it chooses randomly after each attempt, 20% equal chance for every weapon you didn't use last run

[pallid sparrow]

Time to die

[shy zephyr]

if it's constantly being put on a weapon you don't like, it's just dumb luck

[pallid sparrow]

Do expired keepsakes still get upgraded?

[tidal moss]

No

Wiat

Yes they do, just not unequipped ones

[desert silo]

mhm
keepsakes gain "experience" as long as you have them equipped (assuming they aren't already rank 3)

so if a keepsake expires but you keep it equipped, it continues gaining experience
but if you dequip a keepsake that still lets you keep its effect afterwards, it doesn't gain more experience

[quick fiber]

rip bros account

[tidal moss]

Yeah i got him banned

[quick fiber]

crazy work

whats with you and ragbaiting people accidently XD

[shy zephyr]

i thought they just had a below average iq but being 8 years old makes more sense

[slim spear]

REF HE'S CHEATING

REF ||HE'S MAKING ME EXPERIENCE TIME NON-LINEARLY||

||REEEEEEEEF CALL TIMEOUT REEEF||

Rivals 4 Chronos spoilers (with zero context)

But my Gods is the new phase theme a banger

Oh my God I'm listening to it on YT and OH MY GOD THIS DRUMMER IS CHRONOS HIMSELF

THIS DRUMMER IS BILL BRUFORD'S SUCCESSOR

[shy zephyr]

it's louis cole

and he's famous yeah

[slim spear]

The comments speak of this thing called clown core... perhaps I shall find his work if I look into clown core further...

[opaque wind]

https://tenor.com/view/hades2-hecate-melinoe-gif-27229672

[tidal moss]

perms are back?

[frank mountain]

In Hades 2 there are no backups saves in the game files?

[sly nova]

u gotta backup the game urself(?)

[vivid flare]

I believe that's the band he's in

[slim spear]

I gathered that, I shall listen to them tomorrow

[dapper rose]

You cannot convince me that Chronos does not listen to this kind of music when no one else is around That theme is incredible, I love the drums so much

[quick lichen]

I played 50 hours in early access, fairly early before ||the surface|| was really a thing. Would you recommend making a new save or would I be just as good continuing in my current save slot for 1.0?

[shy zephyr]

make a new save

you've forgotten everything by now and the game's changed a lot since then

[ember fox]

||Just reached scylla with strife's "blessing" after returning for the first time since launch.||

[scenic arrow]

cool!

[eternal mica]

What's the best umbral flame aspect, Moros?

[tidal moss]

Yes

[eternal mica]

Nice

Ty

Is Mel's any good? Kinda reminds me of the zag bow but heart rend was really easy to get for killer crit build

Is a crit build harder to do in h2

[wintry rivet]

Well artemis is much rare in h2, but we have on demand 30% global crit for one region this time

[eternal mica]

How do you get that

Oh white antler

[shy zephyr]

it's good but usually it ends up being played as a slightly worse moros

build paths are just slightly different too

[eternal mica]

Yeah

I just unlocked moros but have zero upgrades

I have Mel maxes at the 10% crit and want to clear some fear to upgrade moros

[shy zephyr]

yeah if you haven't upgraded moros yet take mel torch

[vivid flare]

It's Moros but slightly worse

[eternal mica]

How should I generally build it

[vivid flare]

Same way as Moros, you get a bunch of effects from using Omega moves and hold down the attack button while keeping OSpecial up

[shy zephyr]

the difference with moros is that it prefers %boosts more to benefit from the crit

[wary night]

prioritize magick regen early unless you're doing special spam gameplay (which I personally never do), since attack focused mel torches are quick magick hungry

[shy zephyr]

moros gets some base % on its explosions so you want on-hit effects like hitch and blitz

[eternal mica]

Ok thank you

[eternal mica]

man I need to watch a tutorial on || Prometheus || or something i just used four DD on him 😭

[tidal moss]

He goes crazy sometimes

[eternal mica]

I kinda just can't process his moves

Barely took damage leading up to him

[tidal moss]

https://imgur.com/a/Hala7c5

[eternal mica]

aaand run ended

[eternal mica]

Thanks I"ll watch this

[desert silo]

remember that ||starting with phase 2 he might not use fire in his attacks. if he doesn't use fire for his first attack, he will not use fire for his second and then use fire for his third
think of it like a combo of normal -> normal -> fire||

[eternal mica]

|| is that at half health where phase two happens

Also are all bosses considered guardians

[vivid flare]

Yes

[desert silo]

||phase 2 is at 2/3rds health (aka after the first set of memory flames)
also guardians are the last bosses of each region (mid-region bosses are Wardens)||

[eternal mica]

Ty

[eternal mica]

What's the best axe asepct? Charon ?

Mels seems good tooo

[scenic arrow]

prolly charon, yeah

people like all 4 of them, mel might be the weakest just because it's a bit slow

[unborn plaza]

Mel is probably the fastest if you do dash attack + special & repeat

regular combo is too slow yea

[eternal mica]

yeah

Charons seems strong but you need magic regen or it's a bust

[scenic arrow]

I feel mel kinda struggles because dash attack+special just doesn't have a lot of potency behind it

charon magic regen is pretty flexible imo. Obviously apollo works best, but a lot of others are fine too

[eternal mica]

Yeah I guess it's probably not that hard to force lucid gain

[shy zephyr]

mel is also the first to get a ||max fear|| clear

[scenic arrow]

wasnt it medea

[shy zephyr]

i meant among axepects

[scenic arrow]

ah

[desert silo]

i think every axespect is good? but mel is lame lol
i think charon is generally considered the "best" but really just pick whichever you want

[proven gazelle]

Pre 1.0 yeah, iirc 1.0 first clear was mel staff

[shy zephyr]

yeah boated on mel staff

[frozen kite]

i just started the game, and compared to 1 idk how to feel about the combat yet

is there ever any scenario where you can use these?; cast on main attack, cast on the cast, and the sprint

because so far it seems to be they are very slow, and not worth dps wise

like when do i ever just sprint around and not do other attacks?

[wintry rivet]

You mean omega? They have their uses on certain weapon

[frozen kite]

yea

[wintry rivet]

And sprint is a repositioning tools there is some fight sprint make it easier to avoid thing

You ain't gonna sprint around doing nothing

[stiff hawk]

Omega is useful for long range attacks even if u dont intend to use it for main dps

If u meant the omega cast, its useful agaisnt group of enemies like that one school of fish

And sprint is technically the same as Zagreus sprint
You can turn on auto sprint on settings and you probably should

[frozen kite]

yeah, but if i use it to reposition, i very likely run away from the mobs or the boss, so i wont be doing damage with the sprint afaik

[wintry rivet]

You don't need to sprint like forever

Just a bit after dashing to get to position

[frozen kite]

didnt know thats an option, ty, also didn't know hades 1 had a sprint LOL 150h in the game...

[wintry rivet]

Hades 1 don't have sprint iirc

[frozen kite]

anything else thats good to have in gameplay settings? auto-fire/aim assist/dash at cursor?

[stiff hawk]

I mean, kind of
Since Zagreus runs slightly faster for a second after dash

Though not as long as Mel

[frozen kite]

ah thats what you meant, yeah true

[wintry rivet]

Auto fire is an option if you don't want to use omega

[dense anchor]

You can increase the channeling speed as you unlock more things

[wintry rivet]

But some weapon, like torch, is basically a omega weapon

[frozen kite]

i see

i will keep it off for now then

[wintry rivet]

Although torch omega atk flow naturally into its atk string

[stiff hawk]

The torch is really strong tbh

[frozen kite]

i guess aim assist helps w controller?

[wintry rivet]

Yea

[stiff hawk]

The fact you can spam it to oblivion and does pretty high base damage

Especially with the lingering attack aspect

[wintry rivet]

There is some boon make cast range and auto aim help a bit for that

[frozen kite]

nice

[wintry rivet]

There is enemy love to rush into your face and cast is your tool to stop them, use them often

[stiff hawk]

The fish..

[wintry rivet]

You can sprint away from them, but like you said, run away mean not doing dmg, so put down cast to root em in place and smacking em

[frozen kite]

ah so auto sprint just means i dont have to hold the button for sprint, but i still have to dodge

[stiff hawk]

It helps alot considering it makes you alot faster overall and so you dont have to focus too much on space button while dashing

[wintry rivet]

Yes, auto sprint just mean the game hold the button for you after dashing

[frozen kite]

yeah, this way its quite nice tbh

[stiff hawk]

It also indirectly makes the sprint based boon alot better

Considering most of them require you to sprint to use it

You can spam demeter and ares sprint boon with it, and you create alot of projectiles

[shy zephyr]

yeah auto sprint is great

[frozen kite]

got to chronos night 7

[native trout]

How’d it go

[frozen kite]

i bit the dust

[native trout]

Getting to chronos night 7 is a big achievement by itself

[frozen kite]

thanks but probably because i played quite a bit of the first game im familiar with most of the basic mechanics

[swift path]

minor spoilers but how do I get || n-mare || is this like increasing my || fear with the oaths of the unseen? ||

[desert silo]

mhm
||the most consistent way to get nightmare is by clearing testaments. you clear testaments by beating a certain boss using a certain weapon at a certain fear level (or higher).
you can also buy nightmare from charon at the final shop (1300 crowns), buy nightmare from the broker, (1200 bones), order nightmare with obol points (2 for 5 points + 100 whiles), and earn nightmare from certain prophecies||

[swift path]

oh ok

[frozen kite]

do I clear all reward room before chaos?

are they worth it?

or just straight up go to chronos?

[vivid flare]

I would not recommend taking a Chaos gate in Tartarus

[frozen kite]

sorry, I meant chronos

do i go straight to him, or clear the reward rooms as well

[vivid flare]

Your choice

Just worth noting that every optional room makes the next room spawn more enemies

[frozen kite]

i see

thats good to know, thanks

[alpine isle]

Does selene count as a boon giver

[tidal moss]

No

[autumn raven]

Any reason to wait to sell fish? Can I just sell all all the time?

[tidal moss]

No reason to keep them

[somber marten]

I keep em till I need em to see how many fish I can get

they can be turned into bones anytime

[stiff hawk]

Collecting as many anguish as possible because thats how I felt after trying high fear run lol

[somber marten]

You know what? I unlocked Aspect of ||Morrigan|| and it's awesome.

probably my fav aspect for that weapon

[tidal moss]

AMEN

I love that aspect

[quick fiber]

Eyyyyyy fellow ||morrigan|| main right here

[vivid flare]

It's equal parts funny and saddening how much of a glow-up the hidden knives are from the base 3

[desert silo]

who knew ||a 777 damage nuke every few seconds|| would be a good trait to give a weapon...

[quick fiber]

Just wait till you roll the right hammers with hephestus legd

[somber marten]

at least it's asking you to do it in a fun way

[tidal moss]

Have you seen my amazing ||morrigan|| run?

[quick fiber]

no let me go look is it in #h2-victory-boasting

[tidal moss]

No i'll imgur it

[quick fiber]

go to #h2-builds-and-combat fr

[sinful oracle]

Could someone explain to me what scorch does?

[tidal moss]

Say that you apply 100 scorch to an enemy in one hit. With absolutely no other boons, every sixth of a second 16.66 of those stacks of scorch will be removed and dealt as damage, totaling 100 dps for 1 second. There are a lot of other things that can impact this, so lets assume you have all of those and work through the full math.

• Step 1: you hit the enemy and apply 100 scorch to it in one hit.
• Step 2: At base each sixth-of-a-second-scorch-tick consumes 16.66 scorch
• Step 3: This scorch consumption gets multiplied by Pyro Technique. If you have 100% pyro, then this becomes 16.66 X (1 + 100%) = 33.32 scorch consumed per tick. At this point, 33.32 scorch is actually removed from the enemy and turned into damage for the next step. (If you have Burning Desire the scorch is not removed from the enemy and 33.32 damage is still sent to the next step)
• Step 4: this damage is now affected by any relevant %damage modifiers. This includes Olympian Damage from hera or ares, and any %damage that doesn't specify a specific damage type (such as Origination, The Furies, Shameless Attitude, or Tall Order). Lets say you have origination and ares' rallying cry, your damage dealt is now 33.32 X (1 + 50% + 50%) = 66.64 damage. This is the end of damage calculations
• Step 5: finally damage the enemy. The enemy loses 66.64 health. Return to step 1 and repeat every 1/6 of a second

[sinful oracle]

When I'm offered a boon that inflicts scorch, it says it'll deal, say, 20 scorch damage. But when I hover over it and it explains what scorch does, it says enemies take 100 damage accrued from it per second. What does this mean?

[wintry rivet]

It mean you apply 20 scorch stack, and scorch stack go down by 100 every second, and each scorch stack deal 1 damage when consumed, multiplied by your global and olympian damage

So if you apply 20 scorch, it will go down to 0 in a blink of eyes if you don't keep applying, and deal 20 damage before damage boost

[sinful oracle]

So, are you saying if I apply scorch a bunch of times, it will do a max of 100 damage per second?

[wintry rivet]

Yes, and you can improve by taking pyro technique boon

[tidal moss]

At base yes

[wintry rivet]

Or freezer burn to consume all of them at once for big damage

[sinful oracle]

Alright, thanks for explaining things y'all

[pine rivet]

hey

[pine rivet]

hey

[unborn plaza]

hola

[quick fiber]

G'day

[tidal moss]

What's up?

[pine rivet]

good what about you

[tidal moss]

Just doin some casual runs

[pine rivet]

what kind of games you play /

[tidal moss]

This and brawlhalla

[pine rivet]

brawlhalla means?

[tidal moss]

The platform fighter game

[pine rivet]

ohh nice

[oblique verge]

How does pyrotechnique increase scorch damage? it only speeds up consumption, right?

And doesn't it make it more likely you hit the scorch cap of 999 damage?

[vivid flare]

It increases the amount consumed per tick

So by definition, it would make it less likely for you to cap out

[oblique verge]

oh, maybe I don't understand what capping out means. I thought capping out was when you deal 999 via scorch

[somber marten]

Just got the credits!

Guess I should pop on over to #h2-discussion

[vivid flare]

That is what I mean by capping out, that you have stacked up to the cap of 999

Pyro Technique would increase the amount of stacks consumed per second, so at 50% (which I think is the base), your new Scorch consumption is now 150/second instead of 100/second

[alpine isle]

Best cast for circe?

[vivid flare]

Zeus or Hestia, with an honorable mention to Poseidon and Demeter

[alpine isle]

Ah okay

Im havin great succses with heph rn but ill try zeus or hestia

[tidal moss]

Pos is pretty bad, it doesn't hit twice

[vivid flare]

Poseidon's less for the double splash and more for the Froth application

[serene laurel]

If you’re going omega cast you want Poseidon in the pool for ocean swell

[tidal moss]

I'd only go for omegas if I have winners circle beforehand

[serene laurel]

Definitely

[somber marten]

I should probably use staff of circe more lol. I don’t think I’ve actually tried it

I’ve only fiddled around with it in training grounds

[wintry rivet]

Cast boon already deal decent dps, 2x cast is insane

[frozen kite]

how does the heat thing work in hades2? I mean the rewards for it

I get 1 nightmare/boss or 1 nightmare/run if I turn on the extra difficulty?

and do I only get it once / difficulty/weapon? so if I do 1 heat with the staff, then I don't get nightmare again with a 1 heat staff run?

[wintry rivet]

There is fear requirement and boss requirements, beating the target boss with at least that amount of fear give you nightmare, when fear requirement go higher, you can get more than 1 nightmare

[frozen kite]

ah, so its a specific boss at a specific fear

thanks

[wintry rivet]

Basically each weapon will ask you go for every single boss once at different fear requirement

[silver prism]

holaa

[desert silo]

think of them like the bounties from hades 1, but like actual bounties on bosses

[alpine isle]

Any tips for what i should choose for 45 fear?

I just got a new pb of 40 and i wanna go up 5

[tidal moss]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwxLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

[loud axle]

Is it considered cheating to use god mode? I used it a lot when I was struggling and just want opinions lol

[hasty ingot]

If it made you enjoy the game more then whatever. Nobody should judge you on that

[tidal moss]

What pixel said

[loud axle]

I have defeated a certain foe enough times without god mode, and I agree im glad hades community isnt all "NOOO your having fun the wrong way"

[tidal moss]

Nah noone cares if you use godmode

As long as you're not uploading really high fear and super fast runs, play however is most fun

[vivid flare]

It's somewhat frowned upon if you're doing high Fear with it on (50+), but past that, it's not a big deal

[hasty ingot]

I find it very cool from SGG to not gatekeep the story and the lore behind a perhaps too difficult roguelike gameplay for non-initiated, or people who don't necessarily like that grind

[tidal moss]

The 100% acheivments are pretty easy, and can all be done with godmode

[loud axle]

Oh nah im just going for achivments since I love hades

[tidal moss]

Yeah then noone is gonna give you crap, and if they do just call us and we'll come beat em up for you

[loud axle]

They are the best in the game when it comes to everything rn IMO

[loud axle]

💙💙💙 I do fight in real life but ty

[tidal moss]

Same! What do you partake in?

[loud axle]

Boxing!!!! And eventually id conquer hades im a FF player ik all abkjt how your skills are irrelevant compared to the build

I beat both pride and joys and weiss 💪💪💪💪💪

[tidal moss]

Peak

[loud axle]

I cheated on both those bosses then went back and beat them fr to restore my gamer honor

[tidal moss]

Real

[loud axle]

Weiss was easy compared to pride and joy 0.5

[mossy ibex]

heyy how can I unlock the cosmetics for familiars?

[tidal moss]

Spoiler, and you need to have them all unlocked, maxxed, and then talk to circe

[mossy ibex]

oh I gotta max them out :0

thank you!

also which familiar is best for aspect of anubiss

[tidal moss]

Hecuba or raki, and again, spoilers

[mossy ibex]

tyy! ^^

[tall kernel]

I need a guide for ||rivals polyphemus||. I suck on him. I can turn god mode off for most of the rest of the surface, but I lose two death defiances to him if I don’t have it on.

[vivid flare]

I assume you already know about the ||poison-cleansing pools in the corners of the arena||?

[tidal moss]

You need to be patient, and wait till he finishes attack and position yourself when you can't get hit by medea or poly, and then whack him

[tribal current]

Few different things I do

First, start the fight by running around to the right to get behind him. It avoids his opening attack, and directs Medea's first poison bolt away from him

In P1, I'm very quick to dash in, hit him a couple times, and dash away so I don't get grabbed

During the intermissions, don't feel like you have to chase him down. You can absolutely sit in a safe spot until the ground isn't full of poison anymore

The circles from his walking attack don't spread very far. Position yourself in his path and backpedal while hitting him.

If you can get him against a wall, and you have a high-damage build, he tends to just fall over. Not sure why exactly this works so well, but whenever I have him on a wall, he just kinda folds

[tribal current]

Here, I loaded up to do a quick poly kill to demonstrate the above tips: https://youtu.be/PYoPayzjYUs

Admittedly, I ended up with a sweet build, but even still, careful aggression tends to work out fairly well for me.

A few other tips, this time for setting yourself up for success before you even get there:

Unless you're going for a very specific thing, prioritize activating Origination above all else. The first few doors you take in Ephyra should generally be with the goal of getting Origination online.

Also, if there's a +health door, take it. It may not be the best for your damage, but you can't dps if you're dead, and if you're struggling on Poly, an extra 50 health is gonna be huge

[drowsy vigil]

dude is sisyphus dead

[vivid flare]

Yes

[alpine isle]

He is!?

[shy zephyr]

no he's joking

[alpine isle]

Ah ok

[drowsy vigil]

what about orphans and eurydice

[vivid flare]

This is the Hades 2 channel

[drowsy vigil]

yeah but are they dead

I mean they are but you understand

also I think I need tips on ||2nd pgase chronos||

[vivid flare]

Extremely

[vivid flare]

||Don't stand in bad, there are safe zones|| 👍

[drowsy vigil]

any tips for the ||final boss at olympus?|| I js got here dont even know who it is

ahh got it i understand it now nah i lost both death defiances to the sheep guy i hate him even tho Ion even know his name lol

[vivid flare]

||Polyphemus||

[drowsy vigil]

||Prometheus???|| man this game is so peak

[drowsy vigil]

ah got it

[drowsy vigil]

is there a 2nd phase for this guy

I died ||cause I didnt think prometheus bird does allat|| nvm it was the first try can go again

[median zephyr]

any nice soul can tell me where do i get N.mare from?

[stiff hawk]

||Technically yes but with a guessing game and he gets a new ranged attack he rarely uses when at low enough hp||

[vivid flare]

||All I'll say is this. That's not the final boss||

[drowsy vigil]

damn thats crazy

[shy zephyr]

testaments from oath of the unseen where you increase the difficulty, endshop of the run, after a while from Charon's delivery box

[median zephyr]

Appreciate you

[stone linden]

chat where do i get more dream vapors

[vivid flare]

Gotta talk to ||Medea||

[serene laurel]

Heard there’s some good dealers in the necropolis…

[steel pond]

i've finally started playing hades 2 and ajahsdfkjlshdf it's so peak oh my god

[tidal moss]

YEASSSS

[cunning moon]

Same :3

[drowsy vigil]

onggg

[native trout]

Let’s go

[tribal current]

WELCOME

[magic wagon]

+% Attack doesn't interact with Scorch, right?

[tidal moss]

Huh?

[magic wagon]

If I have, say, 60 Scorch on Attack, and a Chaos boon granting +50% Attack damage, it's still 60 Scorch on hit and not 90

[tidal moss]

That will apply to scorch

[magic wagon]

Oh great

[shy zephyr]

???

[tidal moss]

Does it not?

[shy zephyr]

it won't apply to any extra effects you have on your attack, only the weapon's base hit

[tidal moss]

Am I stupid

F**k

[shy zephyr]

happens to the best of us 🥀💔

[rustic hinge]

if a % damage boost doesnt specify what it boosts itll hit everything

[ionic tulip]

so i saw credits already, but guess game is not finished yet, so what is the purpose of giving nectars now to all characters?

[strong solar]

Epilogue

[tidal moss]

Epilogue

[ionic tulip]

@strong solar so should I still collect them or start randomly giving out

[strong solar]

Check how many hearts esch npc needs based on the codex and gift acc to that

[stark dew]

chat what's the point of giving nectar to everyone everytime??

[tidal moss]

Story/some content

[proven gazelle]

What else are you gonna do with it

Plus you get silly little icons by their keepsake if you max the relationship

[stark dew]

nothing unlocks?

[ionic tulip]

Do Fish have point or sell all

[tidal moss]

You get keepsakes but you don't keep unlocking things no

[tidal moss]

Sell all

[quick lichen]

There is a little symbol in the top right of my keepsake. ||I don't know what it is but it looks like a little witch with a hat who is breathing out smoke I guess? It is on the gold coin purse keepsake|| Can anyone please tell me what it is or what it means?

[tidal moss]

Could you dm me a ss?

OHH

It's the charon bond

Once you reach max relationship with a character art is added to their keepsake in the cabinet

[quick lichen]

ohhh, thank you. It was driving me mad, I thought I needed to trigger something.

[tidal moss]

Yep, it's purely cosmetic

[serene pilot]

Whats the best weapon and boons to use

[strong solar]

All weapons are viable imo, but generally for fast weapons poseidon and hestia is great and for slow weapons aphro/apollo

Blitz works for everything

[tidal moss]

Whatever you enjoy most basically

[strong solar]

And try to keep origination up and use that card to do higher dmg

[proven gazelle]

Unless youre playing 65+ fear weapon viability doesnt matter

[tidal moss]

Best is technically medea, blitz special, ares attack, light smite, and heinous affront

[proven gazelle]

Every weapon has done 62f, speedrun wants medea with hitch, blitz, and possessed array, ez fear climbing wants mel staff with blitz attack and hitch special with twin moonshot

[serene pilot]

Yes but something a bit op for noobies at the beginning

[tidal moss]

Just play whatever you enjoy the most

You're not going to have anything op until you get all the metaprogression and more upgrades

[proven gazelle]

Zeus and hera are the best on like 99% of situations

[serene pilot]

I liked all but the hammer

[proven gazelle]

Unless youre like, knives or coat ig

[tidal moss]

Hammer?

[serene pilot]

Yea a big hammer

[tidal moss]

You mean axe?

[serene pilot]

Yees

I just know i avoid poseidon

[tidal moss]

Yeah i don't like that one either

Posiedon is good on fast hitting weapons like blades and coat

[serene pilot]

I figured,i just dont like how his abilities are associated with the main weapon
Cuz Aphrodite is better for cast which is what he should be used for

[tidal moss]

Huh 😭

[serene pilot]

In hades 1 i only used him for dash and cast

[tidal moss]

Ignore H1, gods function differently in this game

[serene pilot]

Still don't like knock back effects

[tidal moss]

His attack doesn't knock back the target

[serene pilot]

I'll try in a bit

With sickle and dagger

[tidal moss]

Yeah it's very good on that

[quick fiber]

The splash does no?

[tidal moss]

It does yes, but doesn't knock back the hit enemy like in h1

[quick fiber]

Ahhhh

[tribal current]

It splashes 🙂

[steel pond]

Made it so far in that run ooh. I got all the way to ||the mini boss in Tartarus||

[tidal moss]

You don't have to take the side doors

[magic wagon]

Okay good, because I was really starting to question my understanding of the game mechanics lol

[steel pond]

got further the next one. ||got chronos almost to the end of what i assume is phase 1||

is it odd that ||besides chronos, i feel that hecate is the most challenging boss fight so far? scylla is really interesting but is fairly easy to dodge, and cerberus is also really easy to dodge||

[stiff hawk]

||Assuming you had vow of rivals on, Hecate is a pretty tough boss due of her being all over the arena||

[steel pond]

||idk what vow of rivals is, but i just find some of her stuff a tiny bit difficult to dodge, especially when you get turned into sheep||

[stiff hawk]

Basically ||significantly more difficult version of the boss fight||

[steel pond]

ah

[vale field]

||does building a bond and maxing it out with a character actually do anything?||

[vivid flare]

Gives you some extra flavor text on their keepsake, and for some, lets you add a fumo of them in the Training Grounds

[vale field]

oh, i was hoping it would give me a small perk that affects gameplay, thats disappointing

[stiff hawk]

Its probably for sake of when u got all keepsakes and u want to see more dialogues

[steel pond]

||the skull is triggering my hera bow muscle memory. i keep trying to load the skulls like casts||

[tidal moss]

||you're gonna love medea||

[stiff hawk]

||basically melee hera bow||

[tidal moss]

And ||strongest aspect in the game||

[vivid flare]

||Funny story||

[serene pilot]

omg the fire shooting weapon is awesome

[vivid flare]

The torches? Yeah, they're pretty neat

[serene pilot]

I literally got from stuck in oceanus to finishing the idk how to spoil message but the fight in Tartarus

[vivid flare]

I liked them a bit better before the rework towards the end of early access, but they're still neat

[vivid flare]

||Like this||

[serene pilot]

| |aaa| |

[vivid flare]

No spaces

[tidal moss]

No spaces

[serene pilot]

oop

||chrono fight||

[vivid flare]

That was me with the axe

[tidal moss]

Yes

[serene pilot]

Also the hermes ability of dashing multiple times in a row is a big carry

[vivid flare]

Though technically my first win on the 1.0 file was a clang run on staff

[serene pilot]

The one time i needed it i had a chaos effect that prevented me from choosing it

[tidal moss]

Stutter step?

[serene pilot]

Staff is awesome too

[vivid flare]

You mean the one that reduces the cooldown?

[serene pilot]

Yea

[serene pilot]

I think

[tidal moss]

Yep that's the dash cooldown one

[serene pilot]

Its so broken

Aphrodite Cast,moon effect that causes it on drop is peak

[tidal moss]

Eh I never like taking it

[vivid flare]

Usually when I see it, there's something else on offer that's more valuable for me

[tidal moss]

Exactly

[vivid flare]

See Success Rate, click Success Rate

[tidal moss]

Travel deal, quick buck, winners circle

[serene pilot]

Probably cuz im new to it

It feels op

[tidal moss]

Everything is good at base difficulty

But we probably have very different ideas of what op is

[stiff hawk]

Technically everything is good when u try hard enough

[serene pilot]

But there is the obvious good that matches most people's skill

[tidal moss]

Yeah there is a meta

[wary night]

idt it’s awful, hermes just has a LOT of good boons. success rate boosting crit boons is kinda crazy, and so is travel deal giving you an extra boon from every shop (if you can afford it)
stutter step also feels less important to me the more I’m using Mel’s unique tools, like sprint and cast

[serene pilot]

oop

I've been missing out

[tidal moss]

You have

[wary night]

experiment with his boons then 👀 he has a lot of great stuff

[serene pilot]

I'll abuse his stuff tmrrow

[vivid flare]

Even Quick Buck is pretty nice

[wary night]

quick buck I think is in my top 3 most picked boons lol
travel deal is stronger if you have the money to sustain it, but often you don’t, and quick buck is just reliably solid

OH nitro boost how could I forget. amazing boon

[tidal moss]

Haelian would hate you

[steel pond]

wow i do not like using the torches ok.

[wary night]

they're odd to get used to! they really make you engage with the magick regen + channeling systems
I love them but ik they don't click for everyone

[steel pond]

though tbf that was my 2nd time using them and i didn't get a single attack or special boon

and nothing i got was for magick regen

couldn't get past erebus

[wary night]

ah yeah that hurts them a lot
they really want magick regen. every single core god offers magick regen though, so you can usually find one that works

[steel pond]

ah the age old debate, do i pick a boon that i haven't yet used for the prophecies, or do i pick an actually good boon

went with the actually good boon

[vivid flare]

If it's not run-bricking or Paid Dues, I'd go for the former

Paid Dues, you take when it shows up purely because you may never see it for another 100 hours

[steel pond]

which god is that from

hermes?

[vivid flare]

Hermes, it's his Legendary

[steel pond]

ah

i've only gotten poseidon's legendary so far ||during the chaos trial thing||

[vivid flare]

It's really bad if you get it early or have bad economy, but it also has a 1% appearance rate unlike everyone else's 10%

[steel pond]

is there a way to ||avoid hecate's spell turning you into a sheep? or is that just something you have to wait out.||

[vivid flare]

There is, you have to dodge it until it despawns

[proven crow]

you can ||hide behind frinos so he absorbs it, or dash through it several times. it’s difficult though||

[vivid flare]

||You can also run it into a resurrected add||

[proven crow]

like with ||sun worshipper or night bloom||?

[vivid flare]

Yep

[proven crow]

oh cool i didn’t know that

[steel pond]

OH MY GOD ||the music in hades' chamber in tartarus is a guitar cover of in the blood||

i love that so much

[steel pond]

||made it to phase 2||

[kindred quiver]

Yeah Cerberus is a joke

Any decent ranged damage makes him a breeze but even without range he isn’t hard

[kindred quiver]

I don’t know if I need to spoiler tag this but ||the easy Chaos Trials|| are a great opportunity to select boons for prophecies.

[steel pond]

yeah, that's how i got all the poseidon ones done already

[kindred quiver]

And whenever I have a ton of gold I buy Well of Charon items i normally wouldn’t

[ebon galleon]

Is there a guide for what each god does? I wanna find the right boons for each weapon

[vivid flare]

You'll unlock a boon list once you've gifted all the Boon-giving Olympians up to ||Hera||

[noble latch]

How do I like easily beat rivaled polyphemus the poision is just so annoying

[wintry rivet]

The poison aoe is small so it is pretty easy to avoid if you ain't greedy, the huge aoe poison is phase change and fixed pattern, so learn those and it will be much easier, especially of you position yourself close to healing pool

[shy zephyr]

poly only gets poisonous if ||medea|| hits him

i always start the fight like this to avoid that

actually this has spoilers for the skull hidden aspect, lemme find you a better video

https://youtu.be/SGCP7gDdYXs?si=f_-pi_Sf49b1MxGV&t=336

go down and right so ||medea||'s initial poison shot misses him

[tribal current]

I typed out a few tips on rovals poly the other day:

#h2-for-new-players message

The message below that one has more tips, and a little kill video I made (which, admittedly, isn't a great example because I ended up with a disgusting build so he just falls over, but it shows off most of the principles I was talking about)

[median zephyr]

Who do i need to gift to unlock the offerings list?

[vivid flare]

Every Boon-giving Olympian up to ||Hera||

[median zephyr]

So i have to gift each one once?

[vivid flare]

Yeah. Including Artemis and Hermes

[median zephyr]

I believe i have, will check and let you know. Thanks

[steel pond]

I just unlocked ||the jetpack|| and i love it so much

also is there a way to see what ||each of the animal familiars do|| without using the wiki?

[shy zephyr]

open your boon menu and check their slot

[steel pond]

ah i'm stupid lol

[steel pond]

thank you chaos for preventing me from taking the duo boon i was just given

[vivid flare]

Chaos: "You chose this"

[steel pond]

just got my first clear 🔥

[steel pond]

inferno bombs from chaos against ||scylla|| was very interesting lmao. somehow didn't get hit by any of them

[kindred quiver]

For the love of God PLEASE just give me one more poppy seed

[eternal mica]

Man the climb through || olympus is toughhh||

Also are the testaments mostly || going to Olympus? I had like two going the lower path and the last several have only been going up, was hoping to farm a bit more easier ones first ||

How do you generally want to build the aspect of moros

% damage on special and curse on attack?

[wintry rivet]

Every weapon will go thru each boss once for testament

[vivid flare]

%damage on attack and curse on special, IIRC

[eternal mica]

Got it, so it's just the order i chose

[eternal mica]

Oh

[rustic hinge]

you can put either % or flat on attack, both are strong

[zinc oak]

is it possible to give artemis bath salts

[tidal moss]

No

[zinc oak]

😢

[steel agate]

Need help I don't know where to get missions I'm fighting and dying over and over again need proper guidance

[rustic hinge]

what do you mean by missions?

[steel agate]

Imean there must be some objectives to complete?

[rustic hinge]

youll make progress as you beat runs more. any specific fights you are struggling with?

[swift path]

Im thinking once I beat || Typhon || that i enable || vows of rivals || is this a good idea?

[steel pond]

||athena|| says that ||divine dash was zag's favorite|| lmao that's hilarious

[shy zephyr]

you can spend a few more runs getting comfortable with his moveset

[median pike]

Having a fun time ||destroying chronos again and again but i really should do more surface runs lol I am just collecting the z-sand for the incantation and idk about the ? Item it's just very interesting to see what zagreous has to say the next time i have defeated him 5 times 4 of them were with sister blades my fav weapon||

[swift path]

True

[vivid flare]

TBF, you can't even unlock that level until you roll credits

[steel pond]

aw booo ||nemesis i wanted to get stuff from echo||

instead all i got was max magick, i already had enough of that

oh hey hermes legendary

it doesn't sound all that good but i'll take it for the prophecy

yeah no i don't like it

[steel pond]

oh my god i just no-hit ||eris|| i have no idea how i did that

ugh ||prometheus' memory attack is so annoying||

took out all of my death defiances

[vivid flare]

I trust you've gotten advice on how to deal with it?

[steel pond]

no, i just have to remember

is there an easier way?

[vivid flare]

Well, yes, you have to remember. ||The best two things to do to make it a bit easier is to focus on the safe zones rather than what's getting hit, and say the safe lanes out loud||

[steel pond]

yeah i was already doing that..not the out loud part, i'll try that

somehow survived ||the miniboss in the summit|| on my first try, still have the cat and tooth death defiances, i've got a strong feeling what the final guardian is

[vivid flare]

Please look forward to it

[steel pond]

||there's another hard chamber... uh oh||

[vivid flare]

No, ||Uh Oh is in Oceanus :3||

[steel pond]

lol

||ok survived, lost the cat defiance, but lived. should not have but we're balling||

oh thank goodness a shop. please have health

oh that's really cool

[steel pond]

yep

[vivid flare]

Also, congratulations, you have ||unlocked the last Boon-giving Olympian by doing this||

[steel pond]

fire

uhh who hasnt shown up yet from the main game...

||oh ares||

oh ||bro does NOT have a health bar||

yeah i'm so unbelievably cooked, it's been a good run though

[vivid flare]

||Gotta do it Monhun style||

[steel pond]

so close

||i'm assuming zeus showing up is about the 1/3rd marker, and i was pretty close to the next one||

[vivid flare]

Halfway

[steel pond]

ah, yeah so i got really close then

because i survived for a while after that

if i had just kept on to one more death defiance i probably could've

[vivid flare]

||Believe the first adds phase is at 90%, Zeus is at half, second adds phase is at 40%||

[steel pond]

and i'll go in to the next attempt with more knowledge of what to expect and how to dodge

[pallid sparrow]

Bro trying to read incantations and I have Charon breathing in my ear like a grandma with respiratory issues

[past gale]

Guys Lowkey Death to Chronos.

[wary night]

so mote it be

[tribal current]

Yeah, death to chronos!

[stiff hawk]

It feels wrong hearing that without Hecate also saying it at same time

[dusk flare]

look at this common sense

luthien?

[tidal moss]

Lmao he's edited the message too

Not what he said first time around

[quick fiber]

Wait fr they are edited without the tag

[tidal moss]

Apparently

[shy zephyr]

ok i saw that pfp and instantly thought it may be you again 😂

[zenith widget]

Can anyone please explain me each weapon’s playstyle so I can decide which one I’d like?

[tidal moss]

Staff is longer distance more strategic gameplay, blades is very quick and very close range, torches is mid range omega spam, axe is ignoring the main attacks and using dash strike+special, skull is both long and melee range in one, coat is close to mid range and is mostly attack and ospecial

[wise locust]

The aspects do mix this up a LOT though

[tidal moss]

Yeah that's just mel aspects, the others are very important

[zenith widget]

ty

[magic aspen]

Like Charon Axe, which utilizes the casting a LOT

[tidal moss]

Yeah playstyle will change massively with aspects

[zenith widget]

i was mainly looking for the overall idea 👍

[wise locust]

or thanatos, where you actually use your basic attack a lot

[magic aspen]

Also unless you want to dedicate your life to rolling your thumb over the x and y buttons, DO NOT become addicted to Medea skull

[tidal moss]

Medea 🤤

[magic aspen]

Medea 🫩

[tidal moss]

I'm too speed and fearpilled

[fleet bay]

best weapon ever made

[magic aspen]

Woah I don’t have keys bro

[fleet bay]

agh agh agh

[midnight ridge]

on medea I just hold special perpetually while spamming attack and trying to aim myself as best as I can, since the special->attack roll technique is hard on my control scheme. it is kind of an insane play style but it works pretty well

[kindred quiver]

You could swap attack to right or left bumper when playing with it

[serene pilot]

Ngl fire a seeking arrow is a guaranteed win

[kindred quiver]

Always a safe choice when you’re using a build with fast attacks and/or specials

[fallow kindle]

can somebody explain how to make a build for the special on the twin blades? Everybody says that they are rly good but i dont see the point. It seems like the normal attack has a much higher dps so i always end up nearly not using the special at all. I've got to chronos a handful of times and the sister blades are my favourite weapon

[kindred quiver]

Do you have the aspect of ||Pan|| unlocked?

[fallow kindle]

im just about to unlock aspects

[kindred quiver]

Gotcha. Well even without it, you can get good mileage out of the special.

I particularly like putting Hephaestus’ special on the Sister Blades. It’s a free 500 damage explosion you can use whenever it gets off of cooldown.

You can also put Zeus’ special on it. Hit an enemy a few times to apply blitz and then go in with melee.

It’s also always another way to apply a second curse for the Origination arcana (which you should be using)

[fallow kindle]

alright

im hoping the aspects will be enough to get me my first clear since ive been rly close before

thx for the help

[kindred quiver]

No problem!

[lapis cloak]

Outside of two specific aspects that use the special more you usually don't focus a lot on special with the blades. You can certainly do it with some hammers, but usually the way you're gonna use your special the most is if you get a hammer called trick knives that makes so your dash strike also launches three specials, it's really good

[bleak hill]

how do I do that ghost game when he askes to put two hands up do I need to left and right click at the same time?

[tidal moss]

You need to hold whichever one is highlighted

[bleak hill]

oh

also after defeating the boss the first time what is the next goal?

[tidal moss]

Either going to the surface and beating the other final boss, or doing it again

[vivid flare]

Doing it more times

There is a "true ending" to get after beating both paths enough times

[bleak hill]

wait that ghost game with games I held the one that lit up up it still got rejected im lost?

when both of the hands show up theres one thats like blue and one that is grey?

[vivid flare]

You hold up both

[bleak hill]

is there an easy way to do that on a macbook with a magic mouse lol

[vivid flare]

The gray and green ones are just another way to show which of Mel's arms you should be raising, since she has the one normal arm and the ghost arm

[lapis cloak]

rebind the controllers maybe?

or pick frinos and then you dont need to do the minigame

[steel pond]

just got my first surface victory 🔥

i think the dodge chance from ||circe making me small|| saved me lol. went in to ||typhon|| with zero death defiances and lived somehow

||oh damn apollo's singing voice||

[fallow kindle]

just did my first run with it and got my first clear. No death defiances used either. I see why everyone said it was good now lol

[kindred quiver]

nice

[tidal moss]

Pan is probably the worst blades aspect huh 😭

At least without trick knives

Tom what have you been telling people

[vivid flare]

Just think, this is the neutered and crippled version

[shy zephyr]

this is the murdered and killed version

[lapis cloak]

i miss old pan

it was broken af sure but they completely killed it

[stiff hawk]

Now its just a frying pan

I dont like how it forces u to use cast to use tho

It could have been a fun aspect

But the cast made it unfun and risky

[tidal moss]

How does the cast make it un fun and risky?

They just made the specials much slower

And removed spiral knives

Trick knives pan goes crazy tho

[lapis cloak]

Yeah trick knives is super good

[stiff hawk]

Its hard to hit it on some bosses who will always run away from your cast

[lapis cloak]

I still don't like the fact that you're not using the aspect itself with TK

I have this issue with other aspects as well

[vivid flare]

Yeah, but that's more of a TK problem than a thing specific to any aspect, that TK's so good it defines the run more than the individual aspects

[tidal moss]

That's a downside to any cast build lmfao it's not a pan thing

[tidal moss]

Selene:

[stiff hawk]

Also I realize this is a new players channel and I may have accidentally spoiled the boss

[tidal moss]

🤷‍♀️

[jovial zodiac]

Is there any ranking for the moon spells? At least unofficially
Most of them kinda... Suck, especially the morph one
I rather like the healing one tho it's rly good and the beam one isn't the worst
I think healing and time slow are the best, but time slow not working on chronos is both extremely funny and annoying

[proven gazelle]

uhhhh depends who you ask, certain ones gain a bunch of value at high fear but all of them are good with heavy investment

generally twilight curse, night bloom, and wolf howl are seen as the best3 since they get insane value for just having them, moon water is great if you dont have scars but raw healing overall is less utility than the aforementioned 3, lunar ray is funny but takes heavy investment no matter what, phase shift is nice but also takes some heavy investment to be worth it much

[proven crow]

i love lunar ray just bc i’ve had a couple runs where it’s been absolutely busted

i got triple beam + the one that makes it auto aim and it was so much fun

[oblique verge]

godsent makes a lot of them significantly better too

my favorite is morph

[lapis cloak]

Yes

[jovial zodiac]

High... Fear? Is fear like heat

[jovial zodiac]

Wtf are scars

[proven gazelle]

yeah

[jovial zodiac]

How good is night bloom? It sounds pretty eh

[jovial zodiac]

Like only 12 seconds of a random enemy

[proven gazelle]

the same as h1 lasting consequences, so you heal less, max scars is no healing

[jovial zodiac]

😨 oh
Yeah there's a reason I only went to heat ten in Hades lol

[proven gazelle]

its much better ||on the surface route and can single handedly solo typhon||

[jovial zodiac]

Really? Wait howso

[proven gazelle]

it can also eat the polymorph ball hecate sends out

[jovial zodiac]

Is that the main reason twilight curse is good cos it's useless against bosses

[proven gazelle]

if you just invest a little bit into it, and the summoned enemy also inherits the frenzy level(enemies move 20/40% faster for 1/2 respectively), so you get one of the adds he spawns and they melt him

[proven gazelle]

at base twilight curse can save certain rooms from being unbearable, i.e. ||high fear olympus having the most evil enemy setups imaginable, twilight curse just invalidates it, also the zeus godsent is super strong||

selene overall id argue is pretty weak at low fear and very rarely run defining until you get to higher fear where some of her abilities can really really save certain rooms and positions, but until then shes pretty lackluster unless you dedicate most of the run to her

[jovial zodiac]

Oh... So only on high heat

[jovial zodiac]

Sorry there's enemies there??? 💔 I thought it was like the surface in Hades 1

[proven gazelle]

a lot of selene is only useful on high fear imo unless you invest super heavy into them, since youre playing more low fear id say moon water becomes super valuable and will be very widely applicable, wolf howl too since it gives invulnerability and repositioning

[proven gazelle]

keep playing and youll find out 😌

[oblique verge]

night bloom's res is also buffed significantly - monster attacking monster has some big multiplier on damage (and maybe speed too?)

[stiff hawk]

||Remember when some people think Hades 2 is about going to surface||

Well, they are correct

[tidal moss]

There is a whole nother route there

[jovial zodiac]

No I know but like I thought Olympus was the end goal

[jovial zodiac]

Oh thank god

[tidal moss]

There is a region beyond olympus

[jovial zodiac]

What

What does that even mean

[tidal moss]

:3

[jovial zodiac]

Space? Do you go to space?

[tidal moss]

You'll find out soon enough

Ok not that far jesus 😭

[jovial zodiac]

THERE IS NOTHING BETWEEN THE TWO

[stiff hawk]

Why would we go to space though

Do we fight the sun or something?

[jovial zodiac]

Well

You go from fighting death to fighting time

It's not exactly a big leap to fight the sun

[stiff hawk]

Helios moment

[jovial zodiac]

If a 2 inch tall bug can do it so can we

[tidal moss]

[lapis cloak]

Hades isn't really death

[dapper rose]

The time slow hex worked on Chronos last night when I used it, and a few weeks back. Maybe it was different in early access?

[proven gazelle]

you need an incantation iirc

[jovial zodiac]

No it's a certain upgrade

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah but it's a PAIN to get

[vivid flare]

It's not two inches

[tidal moss]

Hey 2 inches is alot

[vivid flare]

I think Team Cherry's mentioned that Hornet is 2 meters tall, so take that how you will

[tidal moss]

Bigass bugs

[vivid flare]

TBF, when you fall far enough in both Hollow Knight and Silksong, you slam into the ground

A bug wouldn't do that if they were small

[proven gazelle]

Amen 🗣🔥

[jovial zodiac]

No

Nuh uh

[vivid flare]

Yuh huh

[dapper rose]

Oh I guess I must've done this a while back? I have no memory of it

[faint crag]

Just got Hades 2 today
Played Hades 1 but clearly this game's got a bit of a different flow to it

[tidal moss]

Very much so

[faint crag]

I think I'm mostly getting tripped up by the omega mechanic, especially with the cast, usually end up eating avoidable damage whenever I try to charge up the big circle

[tidal moss]

There are arcana you can unlock to make omegas charge faster and slow down time while it charges

[proven gazelle]

Don't 🗣🔥🔥🔥 genuinley depending on the weapon you avoid omega entirely

[tidal moss]

Also learning when and when not to do it

[proven gazelle]

Ocast is one of those things thats super situational and very rarely actually gets used

[faint crag]

Omega cast specifically or just omegas in general?

[proven gazelle]

A bit of both, Ocast will rarely see use minus niche scenarios, and Oattack/Ospecial are weapon and build specific

[faint crag]

Well in that case, is auto-fire generally preferred by people? Keyboard+mouse, specifically

[tidal moss]

Not really, from what i've seen

[faint crag]

By default it's set to Ctrl which seems awkward to hold/toggle

I guess the idea of it is to avoid wrist pain down the line lol

[wintry rivet]

Can always change keybind tbf

[lapis cloak]

Once the system clicks you'll get it, took me a while too in the beginning and specially comparing to h1 it's a pretty different experience gameplay wise

(better imo)

[steel pond]

my controller has suddenly started to get severe input lag oh joy

let's see if i can still win

yeah no this is near unplayable. everything feels like ice and swapping my keepsake just sucked

[sly nova]

#h2-tech-support is prob ur best bet

[steel pond]

it went away after a few minutes, was probably just bluetooth being funky.

[queen pendant]

Great now word of advice turn on auto sprint

[cunning moon]

That’s an option? I’ve been manual sprinting this whole time

I think

[queen pendant]

That is an option

It’s below auto target

[cunning moon]

Neat

[cunning moon]

Don’t think I’ve been running that either

[queen pendant]

Yeah it’s not auto target my bad it’s auto fire

And no I didn’t toggle it too

[faint crag]

Is it worth unlocking the path to "topside" earlier? Not sure what that entails, a separate path to the same boss? Different thing altogether?

Currently I haven't been able to beat ||Scylla and Sirens yet|| so I'm not sure if I'm "ready" really

[queen pendant]

Oh my bad you mean the surface

I’m too tired

Yeah you kinda need it to progress the story

[vivid flare]

An entirely separate path

[desert silo]

basically a third hades campaign

generally considered harder than the underworld route but it's good to unlock it as soon as you can imo

[jovial zodiac]

You really want to beat her before going topside, you need items from the next area iirc

Also the longer you spend on her the better because she has the best music in the game 💜

[compact forge]

Hey buds i need help

how to unlock the sealed way lead to surface in main hall

[fallow kindle]

there's an incantation

||you should unlock it after a few runs||

[west siren]

im 12 hours in and im still unsure on when i should go to the top path

ive gotten all the way to the final boss in it but it just feels disconected from the main plot

should i just ignore it until i get the ||cronos ||incantation?

[burnt wraith]

I don't know if this belongs in discussion or I can ask here, but I noticed when I charge the witch staff's omega attack without enough magick, it still triggers and does the long range attack. I assume it's not doing as much damage as if it was actually fully charged, but I noticed it still triggers the hammer healing effect on enemy kills. What exactly is the thing pressing and holding does when you don't have enough magik? I couldn't find anything online.

Woah nevermind, I entered the next room and I couldn't use it when depleted anymore. Is this a bug or a feature?

[steel pond]

grr nemesis stole my shop. i even got to the door before her it just wouldn't let me go through

[gray walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[rustic hinge]

did you by chance have flood gain? it will let you use omegas at 0 if it is active

[odd plume]

what weapon is good to start with as a new player? so far I like the axe

[wise locust]

Not the axe

It's far too unsafe until you get the hang of it

[midnight ridge]

no clear answer really, it's all down to what clicks for you. to me, I think the skull is harder for beginners though. the staff, knives, and torches are all pretty simple for beginners, and the axe can feel a bit clunky for beginners, like you're always getting hit. but sounds like you don't have that problem

that being said, in my new playthrough I'm mostly using the torches. just hold down attack from a distance, it does solid damage and lets you focus almost entirely on dodging rather than trying to do risky moves with your weapon

basically, the first 3 weapons you unlock are generally simpler, the last 3 are generally harder to get the hang of

[burnt wraith]

Nope, I went to the next room and it just stopped doing that. I think it must he a bug

[steel pond]

ugh i hate ||eris.|| took out all of my death defiances.

||her attacks are just so hard to dodge..||

[wise locust]

Stop dodging the attacks and just dodge through eris

Get right in her face, she can't turn very fast

[steel pond]

that's what i'm doing. she turns too fast

[timber turtle]

For sure! Definitely one of the first road blocks on the surface. It might seem a bit odd but try dodging into some of the attacks/that boss and it might help out a bit.

[steel pond]

same with the guardian after her

[wise locust]

You using frenzy vow?

[steel pond]

i'm using no vows yet

polyphemus and ||typhon|| are laughably easy. then the other 2...

[wise locust]

I feel like you aren't reading her tells then

[faint crag]

After getting past my previous hurdle of ||Scylla|| I made it all the way to ||Chronos|| last night, lost a life to some insta-gib ability and just couldn’t quite get him in the end

I’m clearly most comfortable with sister blades because they’re the in-your-face fast-attacking weapons I have so far

But I wanna get good at the other ones too

[wise locust]

There's a small safe zone for that move

Stand in the small circle.

All of the effect lines converge there

[steel pond]

what does hephaestus's legendary do if your aspect is max rank. does it go up to 6?

[wise locust]

6. Which is a super level

It's more like level 8

[steel pond]

ooh ok yeah that's pretty nice

[wise locust]

Verrrrry aspect dependent

[faint crag]

I figured, just was kinda nervous/tired and couldn’t stand still for whatever reason
There’s another move with a ring-shaped safe zone which I’m assuming is also pretty bad which I did manage to dodge

[wise locust]

The doughnut of safety. Yes

Also 999 damage

[steel pond]

i might have to lower some of my graphics settings lol. my controller started lagging a bit just now when apollo was mad at me, lot of stuff on screen, input lag went away as soon as the encounter ended

[wise locust]

As a rule, premium service isn't great on hidden aspects

It's lol on mel aspects, thanatos, momus, moros and charon

Arguably others

[steel pond]

really? i'm finding it quite nice on mel knives

[wise locust]

Lolgood

[steel pond]

i was gonna take it anyway for the prophecy

[wise locust]

Not lolbad

[steel pond]

oh

i assumed you meant it was like, laughably bad

[steel pond]

turns out that was not what i was doing and i misread what you were saying, i apologize. almost no-hit her this time

[steel pond]

martial art with 9 earth 👀

[vivid flare]

Except for the hidden axe and knives

Rank 6 Hidden Coat is funny but impractical to get to since it's a stack limit increase

[vivid flare]

Reminder that it's the base attack and special, not Omegas

[mossy fulcrum]

hey guys, i have a question about the slot under your weapons in the boons inventory. What fills it?

[vivid flare]

I believe that's your pet?

[mossy fulcrum]

there's pets?

[vivid flare]

Indeed

[mossy fulcrum]

how do I unlock said pets?

[vivid flare]

Hecate dialogue like every other major system unlock

[mossy fulcrum]

ok

thanks

[vivid flare]

It's kinda annoying how much of the game needs you to roll the right dialogue with her, TBH

[faint crag]

How do you guys reliably omega special with torches? At least on keyboard and mouse, it feels like I'm very prone to just spamming normal special when I hold down rmb rather than charge up the oemga

[weak mantle]

There are specific requirements for dialogues like that, they aren't random, there might be a couple dialogues that take priority though.

[vivid flare]

I know they have prerequisites, but I'm also reasonably sure that the meta-progression dialogues don't have a super high priority

[weak mantle]

I've done multiple new file to credit runs to test things, stuff that's critical to the main story progressing will take priority over everything else, like the dialogues from Hecate about ||Hermes asking for your help on the surface to unlock Permeation of Witching Wards or the dialogue about Zag being reluctant to kill Chronos||.
Otherwise I haven't noticed any of the unlock dialogues not firing off as soon as the requirements are met.

There are a couple non-critical story related things that seem to be burried in the priority list though. People have a lot of trouble getting through the Icarus and Odysseus quests/relationships because of that.

[mossy fulcrum]

i thought progression is mostly determined by completing runs or encountering certain event during them

[weak mantle]

Pretty much everything that takes place has a requirement, sometimes that requirement is that you've done a certain number of attempts, or beaten a boss a certain amount of times, or collected more than a specific amount of a specific resource

Like I found out last night that you can't progress the story very far if you go out of your way to avoid a specific thing: ||going into the story room in Tartarus||

[rustic hinge]

it shouldnt be using the normal special repeatedly unless autofire is on

[shy zephyr]

if you hold rmb and dash before it fully channels, you'll do a normal special

[faint crag]

That might be what's happening but sometimes even when I'm standing still I feel like I'm weirdly "stuck" only able to do normal specials at random points

Maybe it's like right after I'm dashing, not sure, just feels finnicky

[shy zephyr]

may be a problem from your mouse then

[faint crag]

Doesn't seem to be an issue with other charged specials

[steel pond]

||i've killed typhon and i've just gotten to chronos and this is the first time i haven't gotten a hades room in tartarus, did i just get lucky before or is it scripted not to get one for that fight||

[tidal moss]

For the true ending fight yes it's scripted

[west siren]

||prometheus ||is by far the coolest boss fight ive ever had

bro just has the SAUCE

[proven crow]

prometheus goated

[midnight ridge]

yep he is super cool, his fire looks so nice

[proven crow]

probably my fav boss fight

[midnight ridge]

my fav is ||Typhon, just because I like how he's a bullet sponge that doesn't go invincible often, so he's really fun to melt with a good build||

[west siren]

shame that he/it (masons, spoiler boss) seems to be a counter to my favorite weapon

the torches

like you just go oom in 2 mins if you dont have the right setup

[balmy osprey]

T R U E

And the MUSIC. My god. Probably my favorite song in the entire game. Im so happy I didnt know nothing about that boss fight

[west siren]

oh i havent checked the music yet

i'll try to focus more on it next time!

[balmy osprey]

Check it out by itself. Its SO GOOD

[west siren]

after getting all arcanas do ashes have any more use?

[native trout]

I think just for new enchantments or for aspects

[zealous bison]

does "encounters" include guardians, and does phase1/2 chronos count as 1 or 2 encounters?

[west siren]

i believe it includes guardians and chronos should only count as 1 encounter

should be the same as H1

[vivid flare]

Mostly for cooking into Shadow, and one of the Mel aspects (skulls, I believe) requiring it for upgrades

[vivid flare]

Yes to the former, no to the latter

[latent karma]

Can anyone tell me what ||Air Quality (Zeus Infusion)|| applies to exactly?

Like, for example, I don't know Scorch's tick rate exactly, but would every tick of Scorch be ||buffed to 50 damage by Air Quality||?

[vivid flare]

Everything but Scorch ticks

If an instance of damage is less than 50 after all forms of buffs like Strength or Uncommon Grace, it is raised to 50

[jovial zodiac]

😔 is ||Typhon|| an actual boss or is it a story defeat when you meet him
||Bro doesn't even have a health bar and Zeus knocks bro out for 3 seconds before going back to cheating on his wife||

[proven gazelle]

Its an actual boss

You just cant see his health is all

If you got to the ||zeus attack bit you were pretty close||

[elfin reef]

i don’t understand what u mean by the last part. was there ever an indication for that

[jovial zodiac]

Oh rly :3 thank god I walloped him for 5 straight death defiances

[jovial zodiac]

Yk like how ur first Hecate fight is a scripted defeat

I think

[proven gazelle]

No its not 😭

Ive literally done 2 fresh file runs, theres no scripted losses in the game

Scripted losses in a roguelike would be awful

[elfin reef]

ah that makes more sense lol

[jovial zodiac]

Also, how do you unlock the chaos trials? I've done all the ones available, and I Wana try one with all the eyes instead of 7/8 like the trial of humility...

[proven gazelle]

uhhh they come with whatever the requirements are for the specific trial, i.e. trinkets, weapon aspects, chaos relationship, etc etc

like im still missing great chaos above/below because i refuse to unlock the hidden flames aspect lmao

[vivid flare]

||He has 65,000 HP. And Zeus appears at half HP||

[vivid flare]

Your first Hecate fight isn't a scripted loss. You can win on your first run. Hell, a fresh file clear in this game even has unique dialogue if you do it

[jovial zodiac]

Sorry he has how much HP

[vivid flare]

||65,000. Before accounting for Vow of Grit.||

[jovial zodiac]

Btw what did strength used to give before the nerf lol

[vivid flare]

50% DR, 25% damage

It's now 40/20

[jovial zodiac]

Well that's not a huge difference

[vivid flare]

The damage reduction side is pretty noticeable if you were used to the old version

[jovial zodiac]

A dodge arcana would be interesting...

Like an extremely conditional dodge arcana

[vivid flare]

Well, you technically have Messenger as a ghetto second dash

[latent karma]

You take effectively 20% more damage compared to before. As in, if you previously would take 100 damage (reduced from 200), you now take 120. In most late run builds that's like 1-2 full centaur hearts.

(As in, if you're at 120 max HP it's 1 Centaur Heart, if you're at 240 it's 2)

[final swift]

qq what is this 20% thing next to my hp bar?

[wintry rivet]

You are using than axe?

[final swift]

ye