h2-for-new-players

[signal bolt]

like if the game's compatible on both it should work on both

[worldly topaz]

Players who purchase the Nintendo Switch version may download a free upgrade to the Nintendo Switch 2 version if they have both consoles.

https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/hades2-faq/

[torn shell]

I saw that part on the faq, I just wasn't sure if its mandatory to buy the sw1 version

or if sw2 would work fine on both, thanks for the answers 🙂

[prime mica]

Probably safest to just do the free upgrade, Nintendo can get scummy

[scenic arrow]

switch 2 works fine on both I think

or rather, the switch 2 version is switch 1 + upgrade pack

[queen pendant]

Yeah || Scylla || is legit one of the hardest boss fights

[queen pendant]

Nah it’s same price for switch 2&1

But if you have the two on dock mode you can have 120 fps

[scenic arrow]

digital is cheaper than physical though cuz... reasons?

[queen pendant]

Well to be fair it’s a indie game so th distribution costs would be a lot

And Manufacturing Costs

[polar laurel]

Crazy... I think it's one of the easiest in both games...

[torn shell]

I know, but since my wife also plays it I’d like to have available on both consoles

[queen pendant]

Yeah like I said there both 29.99 usd

The switch two upgrade is free

[zinc quest]

I'm not 100% sure how all the game sharing type stuff works on Switch 1/2 but if you're both playing simultaneously, I would think you both need to purchase distinct copies. Since Hades 2 is getting a free Switch 2 upgrade, there's no downside to buying the Switch 1 version as far as I can tell. If you're the one playing on Switch 1, that's it. I don't think you "lose" the Switch 1 version of a game if you later get the Switch 2 upgrade anyway

[tall kernel]

Can't hardly wait for this weekend 😄

[jolly apex]

I jumped into hades 2 knowing nothing about hades 1

[astral bobcat]

Afternoon

[broken bear]

i think the skill ceiling for 2 is waaaaaay higher actually

that’s very fair. i hear the skill gap between hk and skong is huge

[red ivy]

I did not realize I was in no-spoilers....

[primal trench]

It is since you cant dash spams for iframes your way to victory

Gotta be a bit more strategic

[fallow saddle]

I recently been thinking that indie studios especially big successful ones like Supergiant Games, Team Cherry, and Yachtclub are now actively launching their newest titles simultaneously on Switch. I wonder how much more they sell on Nintendo's platform to make them such a priority, or what other reason they might have.

[abstract atlas]

I mean the skill ceiling early on is only higher cuz the debuffs imo

[bold sentinel]

I think because of the lower amount of power needed to run for most indies and the portability of the switch adds a lot, especially games like hades where they're quick to start and play / stop

[frozen ember]

skill ceiling =/= skill floor, while I would personally argue that the terms themselves oversimplify matters, you're referring to a skill floor not a skill ceiling there

The skill ceiling in H2 is higher because it's a significantly more mechanically complex game with high-end challenges to match, mostly.

The skill floor in early H2 is debatable as to whether or not it's higher than H1 and IMO it varies on the type of player you are, but H1 casual/semicore vets specifically get smacked in the face because trying to play H2 like H1, particularly early, can very easily get you killed. You have more tools, use them etc.

[wise locust]

The compounding issue is that the game is designed to kill you on the first runs you do

[worldly topaz]

arguably the game is always designed to kill you

[wise locust]

well, yes, but the first few runs are designed so basically everyone fails when playing the first time

so the idea of skill floor is a bit odd since you're meant to die

[worldly topaz]

with not allowing npcs and ally spawns i guess i can see its less helpfulyeah

[wise locust]

unless you mean skill floor to eventually win

[pliant quest]

Oh yeah, I remember ||getting the debuff almost every early run; I think I got it three runs on the fourth biome||
I did find reaching that point easier, Elysium feels so much harder than the equivalent

You just need to play careful and not like hypercaffeinated double dash Zag

[wise locust]

The exalted are a pain without the right dps

And soul catchers are ugghhh

[wanton plover]

so is like hades 2 like silksong where there's lot of skills in ur disposal? cause hades 1, you can also spam dashes if u want

[vivid flare]

Sprint builds aren't as much of a thing in this game

There's still some that exist (mostly enabled by the hidden torch aspect), but you're generally gonna be pressing more buttons

[wanton plover]

yeah what I meant is hades 1 = hollowknight, and silksong = hades 2, kinda cool that both sequels have deeper mechanics compared to the 1st game (which is still good btw)

[broken bear]

yeah i mentioned to a friend a day or so ago when i went back hades 1 that it almost felt like a tech demo for 2. and he said the same thing about silksong

[sly magnet]

hades 2 definitely has a lot more of everything in it

[broken bear]

there’s a lot more detail

[wanton plover]

almost theree, been holding back since EA was released so I'm gonna experience this 100% blind

[broken bear]

hell yeah

[fiery patrol]

thoes who played Hades 2 is it ALOT better than hades 1

[broken bear]

in my opinion yes. gameplay wise definitely

[fiery patrol]

oh

[broken bear]

and I love hades 1

[fiery patrol]

i dont have it jet so pls dont spoiler

[broken bear]

dw I won’t!

[fiery patrol]

i too

my fav game

[broken bear]

hades 2 imo is just. there’s so much more you can do, the new combat things are really intuitive. it’s hard to go back to hades 1 gameplay after playing it. it makes 1 feel like a tech demo

[fiery patrol]

oh

sry gtg to bed

[broken bear]

huh? nah ur good.

[fiery patrol]

but thanks

[broken bear]

np!

[fiery patrol]

well

cya

[zinc quest]

what the, when did the channel name change? It's called "h2-for-new-players" now lol

[queen pendant]

Bro Gigi murin is playing hades two im so hype

[versed spruce]

Today, 2 hours ago

[paper adder]

less than 2 days left 🗣️

[hearty jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/excite-gif-25346564

[lunar granite]

It's been a few major updates since I last played H2, so Thursday will probably feel like a brand new game to me. I can't wait!!

[shy zephyr]

you should spoiler mark that i think

[stoic otter]

[primal trench]

Ok but is established in this channel that anything past erebus is a spoiler

[worldly topaz]

They show basically the entire game in one trailer or another, but for the sake of this channel anything post erebus needs to be spoiler tagged https://imgur.com/pUOX44Q

[sly pumice]

I feel like the old channel name was more descriptive as to what this place is

[worldly topaz]

i prefer this name as it directs new players here, there was a problem a few days ago with a guy who got confused since he thought they were both the same room but one was always no spoilers period and general was for spoiler tags

[sly pumice]

Maybe we should just direct new players straight to Pronto's DMs?

[worldly topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/dandadan-dandadan-season-2-anime-ddd-cursed-house-arc-gif-15925593426364319989

[vapid pawn]

I cleared the game month ago (when surface stopped at boss 2)
It seems alot of things have changed
Will it be worth starting from the beginning in the 1.0 ? (or nothing really new in the start )

[frozen ember]

that was a long time ago so probably

There's been a lot of small dialogue and check additions so you'll probably have some very wonky flags and dialogue order if you just jump back in on that save

[winged pulsar]

Hi friends, I haven't played Hades 2 before. whats the difference between the current version and the one that is releasing tomorrow?

[gray walrus]

story

[tidal iris]

They're releasing the end of the game tomorrow. Currently, when you beat the final boss, the game doesn't end story wise

[zinc quest]

The new name makes sense but I think they should keep "no spoilers" or something to that effect in it. I can't speak for everyone but I don't find the little note at the top of the screen to be particularly obvious (in fact when I first started commenting in this server, I wasn't even aware of the banner and only noticed if after someone pointed it out)

[hoary cloak]

hey, how's hades 2 run variety compared to hades 1? I loved looks and characters of hades 1 but I couldn't play more than 10 hours because it got stale compared to other roguelikes

[vivid flare]

About double

[hoary cloak]

thats great to hear thanks

[zinc quest]

You thought Hades 1 got stake compared to other roguelites with only 10 hours? Have you already tried playing Hades 2 a bit in early access or are you asking before you make the purchase? In all honesty, if you think H1 was stale after 10 hours, I would worry that you'll have the same issue in H2.

H2 is largely just H1, but more. Melinoe does play differently from Zagreus so there's that, but the game is still fundamentally very similar to H1. H1 had 24 weapon aspects and 10 boon-givers. There was plenty of variety, but I don't think 10 hours is enough time to realize the potential there. I think you'll run into the same problem with H2 if you don't put in more time. It does take time to unlock everything, which feeds directly into the amount of build variety you have to work with

[hoary cloak]

it just my personal opinion, I felt like once I unlocked all weapons and done few runs each I didn't get much variety after. Maps also didn't change at all iirc. Maybe killing last boss unlcoks more stuff like in other roguelikes? but I got impression that I saw most of the things

it's been a few years so I don't remember much

and yes i'm asking before buying

I felt like whole death mechanics, interactions with other npcs were unmatched in roguelike genre

but i like roguelikes cuz of variety and it failed me there

[broken bear]

h2 definitely has more variety. especially with all the weapon aspects.

and the routes

granted if hades wasn’t your thing, hades 2 might not be either.

plus imo hades 2 has more impact when you’ve actually finished 1

[hoary cloak]

i have hades on swtich, epic store and steam haha because i always thought it will hook me one day

guess i'll have to give it another go and see how it goes before buying hades 2

[tardy forge]

ive been playing hades 2 for so long and theres so much variety, im probably at 20-30 hours. i easily get bored but i havent with hades. so idk what lack of variety youre talking about, but yeah if you dont enjoy hades then you probably wont enjoy the second one. not stopping you from getting it though

[zinc quest]

Like I said, "H2 is largely just H1, but more"

I stand by that and I've seen the same sentiment echoed throughout early access. I believe both games have the same number of weapon aspects, roughly similar number of boon givers, no? H2 obviously has more, but like H1, it takes time to unlock everything to actually feel like you have variety

[zinc quest]

Definitely recommend it! It sounds like you want to like the game, lol

[hoary cloak]

just to give you example of variety i'm talking about, my favourite roguelike is binding of isaac where i probably haven't had same run in 500 hours

but it's probably a king of that so it's not fair to compare

but something like enter the gungeon, dead cells, vampire survivors feels like to have way more variety

maybe i just like unlocks and that was lacking in hades 1

[orchid spoke]

IMO it doesn't matter as much whether you play Hades 1 or not for Hades 2.

However, if your goal is eventually to play both of them, I think it does matter which you play first.

Going from Hades 1 to 2 will feel like a natural evolution in mechanics and polish. But going from Hades 2 to 1 will be rough because the game is less developed.

So if you think there's a chance you'll want to play Hades 1, play it before 2. Don't think you can play 2 and go back to 1 without it feeling like a downgrade.

Edit: Also knowing the story of Hades 2 will likely make the Hades 1 ending less satisfying

[zinc quest]

Just speaking from my personal experience, it definitely was jarring going back to H1 after playing H2 for a while, but that went away pretty quickly. I don't think the issue is aging so much as just...Zag and Mel play differently so it feels weird jumping between them.

In terms of story, I think everything in H2 is going to be more impactful if you play H1 first. If you don't think you'll be able to get into it, I would recommend watching a story overview on YouTube or something before playing H2

[steep grotto]

hey, i havent played h2 since the first few iterations of EA & just wanted to know what new content got added to the game since i left off

last i left off, i remember || fighting the cyclops & eris, but there were a few models that were missing at the time. I think icarus didn't have a portrait on the ghost ship, & the witch you found on the island was also missing, etc ||

[hoary cloak]

thanks everyone, as I said I'll just give hades 1 one more shot and see how it goes

[scenic arrow]

everything is added except for the endings

[steep grotto]

how many new bosses do we get after || eris? || more interested in # of zones, etc

[vivid flare]

||The surface route is finished, and almost everyone has their full artwork and models||

[zinc quest]

Check out the SGG blog - they do a big post with each major update that explains what is added. That would be a great starting point to getting caught up

[vivid flare]

||It's a full 4-region route now||

[steep grotto]

ahh thanks. i was trying to read patch notes but it was more focused on technicals & bugfixes

[scenic arrow]

In terms of gameplay content...
||1 new god (9 total)
1 new weapon (6 total)
2 new zones (8 total)
2 new bosses (8 total)
All Hidden aspects (24 aspects total)
All 8 bosses have Unrivaled mode (similar to Extreme measures)||

[drowsy bobcat]

Do we know if the content when starting the game will change when the game launches ? I'd want to start playing today but i don't want to "spoil' my first time experiencing the game

[tidal iris]

Story wise, they're just adding an ending and adding more story stuff, so there's nothing to spoil

[scenic arrow]

no one really knows but it's pretty safe to say that it won't change too much at this point

[tidal iris]

For mechanics, like how certain things work, you probably won't be able to play enough to be able to actually miss or notice any changes

[scenic arrow]

I doubt they're gonna significantly rework the dialogue and stuff for the intro

[tidal iris]

Correct. If things change in a major way in terms of mechanics, they'll let us know in the patch notes, but again, it's not something that you'd ideally care about if you haven't played the game yet

[drowsy bobcat]

Alrighty, thx guys 😄
I guess i'll start my new addiction now then x)

[tidal iris]

Do note that the primary places where people discuss things contain heavy spoilers, so if you would like to discuss non spoilered stuff, this channel is your best bet

[tidal iris]

No time like the present! Have fun, and Death to Chronos!

[drowsy bobcat]

Yeah good call
I tried for the last few month to stay away from as much info as possible to avoid spoilers, and it worked for the most part

thx for the heads up !

[tidal iris]

Happy to help! :)

[unique geyser]

Transition from Hades EA to 1.0 was pretty seamless, with no progress reset, and I expect the same here. The game systems are all in place and you won't be "missing" anything unless you manage to beat the final boss before 1.0 drops. Other than that, there may be some minor tweaking and balance changes like you would expect from any update.

[drowsy bobcat]

I don't think i'll be able to reach the final boss before tomorrow no 😄

Thx for the info !

[zinc quest]

Well not with THAT attitude! 😉

Kidding, definitely don't rush it, haha. The game is amazing and it's not going anywhere - just be careful hanging out on this server (even the "spoiler free" channel sees the odd spoiler now and again, even if it's swiftly removed)

[tardy forge]

^yeah i plan on muting the server for a while

[drowsy bobcat]

Don't get me wrong, they wont get me easily :p
But i'll for sure try to see the maximum that i can, despite my tendency to just follow the main thread in every game x)

I'll definitely be careful with this server for the spoilers too, yeah

[tall kernel]

The only spoiler I want to know is, "If I loved Hades, will I love Hades 2 more?"

[scenic arrow]

idk

[zinc quest]

the general consensus is that H2 is H1 but more

[scenic arrow]

Some people will bounce off it because they can't stand female protags (people who are weirdos)

Some people will bounce off it because they are addicted to double dash

But yeah Hades 2 is Hades 1 but slicker, flashier, and bigger in general

Whether the narrative or characters are better is a matter of debate, I think

[tall kernel]

Are there still iframes with the single dash?

[zinc quest]

I will say if you go from playing Hades 1 very recently to playing Hades 2, the controls can be a bit jarring at first (at least it was for me). Mel's moveset is not exactly like Zag's and it takes a minute to get used to that. Easier if you haven't played H1 in a long time

[scenic arrow]

yeah but less reliable? I think?

I recommend walking around the bad stuff this time

[broken bear]

at least for me, yes. i loved hades 1 and i love hades 2 even more. to me hades 1 seems like a tech demo for 2

also yes dashes have iframes but it might be different

[tall kernel]

I've recently cleared heat 20 with every weapon in hades 1 to try to get ready for hades 2

[scenic arrow]

Mel can sprint unlike Zag so running around isn't so bad

[broken bear]

the gameplay style is different enough that while some skill is translatable, you won’t find it too easy immediately

[tall kernel]

Is there an equivalent to athena's dash that feels almost necessary until you learn otherways to deal with projectiles?

Can you destroy projectiles with your atk or spec or cast?

[scenic arrow]

it's harder to get

[vivid flare]

Yes

||Athena's Dash||

[scenic arrow]

there are a lot of "Wave" attacks that you can just dash straight through though

[vivid flare]

Also, there is a Legendary that, assuming you take a specific Cast boon (which happens to be the best one in the game), will delete projectiles

[scenic arrow]

but for stuff like melee, projectiles, explosions, I just try to run away and around and stunlock

[tall kernel]

I'm looking forward to learning all the new boons and weapons. I feel like I understand every single boon and how they play out with every aspect in hades 1... but watching people play hades 2, I can't tell what's going on at all? I can't wait to understand what's going on.

[scenic arrow]

the boon power level is generally higher in H2

[proud pebble]

I appear

Anyone know if H2 is on the xbox yet?

[scenic arrow]

not for another half year or so

[broken bear]

it probably won’t be for a while

[unique geyser]

The dash has iframes but you cannot dash as often as you can in Hades. All of the "normal" dash boons are just damaging and debuffing enemies, nothing defensive like Athena. There is a dash boon like that, but it isn't a regular boon. It comes from a pool of special boons of which you can only get limited quantity, that are all very powerful so it's hardly an auto-pick (a bit like Hermes, but not Hermes)

[scenic arrow]

someone said the time where you're sprinting and there's a trail of stars is iframes, but I'm like, pretty sure that's not true

[civic delta]

what time does the game come out tomorrow?

[scenic arrow]

#announcements message

[civic delta]

oop

5pm!

[vivid flare]

That's the indicator for "your dash is on cooldown," IIRC

[tawny bison]

not Essential but def a must pick for me in the early game is ||demeter’s cast|| , it’s the h2 equivalent of Athena’s dash imo with how this game focuses on sprinting and CC

bruh idk how to do the spoiler tag 🤦🤦

[broken bear]

yeah i agree actually, it’ll give you a lot of leeway

[vale maple]

So it's the 25th and i can't start hades 2 on my switch 2. What's up with that?

[signal bolt]

#announcements release dates by timezone

[vale maple]

Yeah just saw that. Thanks. What a bummer :S have to go through a whole another work shift to play.... oh well.

[signal bolt]

uno mas

[untold lark]

I have a feeling this channel will be full of new people for the release.

[charred trout]

Will 1.0 release be played with a new save?

[broken bear]

you can play with your EA save

granted i assume story things might be a little out of order depending on how far you are

[charred trout]

Deciding if I should play tonight for first time or wait till tomorrow.

[broken bear]

if it were me i would wait. realistically i dont think they’ve changed any beginning things, but youre this close to release already

[charred trout]

Good choice. Cheers.

[scenic arrow]

really?

[untold lark]

Yeah it's gona be popular and I think alot of people will be buying the game because they were waiting for it to exit early access.

[stiff hawk]

Damn I wake up early in hopes to play before work 😂

[jagged marten]

Is the game not loading yet on switch for anyone else?

[broken bear]

it’s not out yet

[jagged marten]

But it launches September 25th, in my time zone it’s now September 25th

[broken bear]

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is the time. it launches at the same time for everyone

[candid pelican]

that makes sense

RAHHHH I LOVE SUPERGIANT GAMES!!!!!

[wispy plaza]

Hi guys, I have some questions because I haven't played early access in a while. I know things will change tomorrow, and I know most of my questions are things a lot of people will tell me to play with whatever I have the most fun with, but I wanted to clear up some doubts. So far, what's the easiest weapon to consistently beat the run as early as possible on a fresh save? It used to be Umbral Flame, and which aspects are stronger now? Has there been any change in the blessing meta or any significant rework? I'm out of touch with which blessings are strongest.

[primal trench]

It honestly depends on what clicks with you

[ivory pawn]

9 am aaaaaaa, the wait continues T^T

[ebon thicket]

ive got a class an hour after 1.0 opens

and then ive got like less than two hours after that till my next

its gonna be late by the time i can enjoy the game

[abstract atlas]

it rly doesn't make a difference, cuz on a fresh save if you are not speedrunning the first 10 times you get a debuff, so if you didn't played in a time you wont clear.
After the 10 nights you gonna have like 3 weapons unlocked at max, so I would rather make you focus on combos.
Early on there is a very niche combo with Apollo strike, the double hit hammer and the 2x hit apollo boon. Try getting those and a way to replenish mana and you are kinda unkillable (at least you are shredding enemies very fast)
I recommend the twinblades, but wo upgrades and aspects its hard to determine which one YOU gonna enjoy the most

[long flume]

I have a class then a test. If i didnt have the test, trust i would be "sick" so i could just play hades 2

[polar laurel]

I saw the achievements got added to steam

Don't think they can be collected yet

There's some stuff there I know nothing about which is super exciting

[primal trench]

Correct

[ruby spear]

7pm for me is crazy work 😔 guess I won’t be playing till tomorrow

[gray walrus]

i got today and the rest of the weekend to play lets gooooooooooo

[reef magnet]

Hey folks - have we had any info from SgG as to what changes there are between EA and 1.0? I've got the EA client but not touched it yet - are there any risks to dropping into the EA client before 1.0 releases in regards to missing out on progression or early game content?

[floral portal]

I am sorta worried about that, as somebody who's completed a bunch of completionist tasks oh no i'm bragging gah
Hopefilly it'll come in a torrent of new voicelines after the update kshdlsjd

[primal trench]

You won't lose progress, but might as well wait at this point, 5 hours ish

[brazen oyster]

Hey guys, I have a save from like the warsong update but haven't played since then and Idk if I should continue on that or make a whole new save for 1.0

[primal trench]

That's really up to you, do you think starting from scratch is ok to experience everything from the start?

Like there's no right or wrong answer here, just what you feel

[brazen oyster]

I guess, like, I had most arcanas and rings unlocked on there but I'm rusty af

[primal trench]

Again. I can say yes, or no, that doesn't mean you should, there's no wrong answer. I know i wont

[floral portal]

Rings as in the old sprite for keepsakes?? Woah, it's been a while..
(Could be wrong about that though lol)

[primal trench]

Pretty sure we already had icons by warsong

[brazen oyster]

Yes

Just forgor the names

[wanton plover]

Almost thereeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[fallen kite]

What's the point of Hephaestus? his boons seem kinda weak

[primal trench]

They seem weak, but they aint

The point is big bonk

[worldly pulsar]

todays the dayyyyyyy

[dry glacier]

today is gonna be the day today is gonna be the day

[primal trench]

https://tenor.com/view/today-stuart-little-run-gif-11168162

[sullen storm]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-corgan-smashing-pumpkins-gif-6220759925253384634

test of how old folks are around here 🤘

[buoyant sail]

does anyone know what time it comes out ?

[little dock]

wish i knew, i only know i yeeted deleted my saves because i want to do it all over from the beginning

[vivid timber]

12 est

[exotic valley]

i think it comes out in 3 hours

[buoyant sail]

Thanks

[primal trench]

2 hrs and 30 mins

[queen pendant]

Hades two in two hours

[tall kernel]

It’s pretty hype

[glad ermine]

I’m gonna be trippin over my nocturnal arms to give that beautiful veteran tactician bath salts

[severe jackal]

Hades 2 in 1 hour and 30 minutes

[zenith star]

Imagine going to bed last night expecting it to have released at midnight.

Couldn’t be me.

[fallen kite]

hades 1.0 in 85 minutes!

[zenith star]

You’re in the wrong channel my guy.

[hearty jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-today-todays-the-day-excited-gif-13929260

[primal trench]

how so?

[unique geyser]

I think the messages that was in response to got deleted

[primal trench]

a

[tulip tulip]

I’m so excited for hades II I’ve successfully avoided most spoilers spared for what some of the redesigns + new characters look like so I’m going in mostly blind 🙏

[ornate ice]

so glad i waited even though it's been in my steam library as long as it's been out 😭 strongest test of my will fr

[near jasper]

It's out!!!! I couldn't wait anymore!!! 🥳

[vivid horizon]

eeehhhhooo. time to go. e have downloads)

[native vault]

is the opening cutscene supposed to be really short? just double checking that I'm playing 1.0

[random shell]

How do I know if I already have the non-early access version installed?

[blazing bison]

If you are playing on Steam or the Epic Game Store, your build number should be 1.131346 in the Main Menu.

[lilac sundial]

Achievements
• Added 50 Achievements! Note you do not need to start the game over to earn any Achievement; you may earn certain Achievements retroactively once you load your saved progress - copy pasted from patch notes
oh this makes me want to start a new save, otherwise I'm gonna get most of them all at once, feels a bit less normal, earned or fluid

[native vault]

That is it cool

[rotund merlin]

Omgggg it’s out

[random shell]

it is! Thank you!

[solid tapir]

Quick question - does H2 have full cross-save functionality? the Supergiant site kind of makes it sound like you "transfer" a save from one platform to another, but does it have a true cross-platform cloud save system?

[ruby smelt]

not sure

[solid tapir]

i asked the same question in the tech support channel, and this is the scoop in case anyone is interested: Heyo! To my knowledge, Hades 2 uses the Steam and Epic cloud save system to allow you to (hopefully) smoothly use the same save file across platforms by logging into your Steam/Epic account on the Switch. If you're transferring from PC to Switch, I would recommend making a backup first just in case

[dark breach]

Ok so I just got the game again for Switch I haven't played since very early EA so I basically forgot everything. Can't even remember what builds or strategies I was using 😄

I remember what weapon I liked and I see what Boon I was using but nothing more. Can anyone help me with a decent build? Or remind me. Not even sure if what I used is still good anymore

[woven jacinth]

I like how the greek flag is missing from the emoji reactions to the release

[elder stone]

Oh shoot slowmode's extended

For #h2-discussion

[warped plover]

Should I restart my savefile for the 1.0 version? I only have 15 hours in it, have a decent ammount of progress, but apparently no achievements

Thoughts?

[nimble wolf]

im resetting my save! need them juicy dialogue

[warped relic]

i recently got the game and i have about 15 hours into it? it looks like from the patch notes the ending is different so it might not make a difference but should i start over?

[unique geyser]

If you defeated the final boss during early access, the run would kind of abruptly end. Now there will be additional scenes and stuff after you defeat the final boss. You won't have missed out on anything, from story perspective it will basically act the same as if you beat the boss for the first time I think.

You won't miss anything if you continue with your current save

[warped relic]

that's good to know i've been unintentionally grinding the game so it would be a shame to lose that progress

[nimble wolf]

crazy i got a duo boon in my first run on my third godd in a new save

[native vault]

Hell yeah I think I beat the first boss

Root Stalker?

[polar laurel]

Surely a boss

[native vault]

How do I use hexes?

[polar laurel]

Check your keybinds, first. Spending magick will charge it up. Once fully charged, tap the corresponding button

[native vault]

How do I know when it is charged

[polar laurel]

The number on the icon in the bottom left will go away and it'll get highlighted

[native vault]

This was not in fact a boss

I guess

I finally reached the first boss...and died lmao

[split silo]

that’s completely normal! the game is a roguelike and you’re expected to die…a lot

[native vault]

I know I played the first one

I like rogue likes

[split silo]

ahh yeah, then you’ll know very clearly when you’ve got a boss encounter ahead

[native vault]

Rogue likes and Souls likes are probably my favorite genres after RPG

[native vault]

I just thought it was root stalker cause of the skull above her the door to her and and hp it had haha

Been a long time since I played the first game

[chrome pumice]

I need apple music release ASAP 😄

[split silo]

yeah that’s fair, the skulls are the same as H1, as you’ve seen now, the actual boss encounter has a different icon on top of it

[native vault]

Nice and red

[wanton plover]

why does my audio feel weird?

[vast oasis]

Time to migrate here for the next month

[lilac ember]

Am I completely insane or does the lighting slightly change depending on how full the moon is

[cunning harness]

Does hades II do the thing that hades I does where you can sync between the nintendo switch and steam?

[split silo]

yes! cross save is available

[dark breach]

Can anyone recoomend what Astral cards and cauldron upgrades to get first?

[frozen ember]

Which ones are you deciding between?

[vivid flare]

Persistence and Death are pretty important power spikes

Also, did the Strength nerf get reverted? I'm seeing it start at 30% DR again

[native vault]

Finally beat the first boss lol

[signal bolt]

nah ||strength is still 40/20 for me||

[vivid flare]

Oh. Ew

[signal bolt]

||also is it a bug that schelemeus just doesn't show up after dying||

[worn fern]

that happened?

oh dear

well it happens sometimes

[woeful idol]

v1.0 came out right after i just bought the game 😂

[hexed ore]

here is me forgot all about builds and how weapon works, hoping to see some beginner advices soon from the community 🥲

[native vault]

I'm pretty much just winging it lmao

[jolly warren]

Where can I watch how many hearts I have with other characters? What do I need to do to update my diary? I reached second stage and played with other weapons but they dont appear on the menu that opens when i press arrow up

[tawny bison]

incantation needed iirc

[jolly warren]

can u elaborate on whats that? do i need to unlock things to see hearts? do i have to unlock more stuff to have the weapons show in the diary?

[tawny bison]

check the cauldron for an incantation that lets you see the hearts, it’ll tell you what reagents to collect @jolly warren

[jolly warren]

thanks for the clarification, i have the game in spanish so i wasnt sure what incantations were

[junior rose]

Hey, I tried the pacifying minigame 3 times, lost it each time at the first action, and I just don't understand why? Maybe it's a controller issue? I just wait 3 seconds for the minigame to start, see LT highlighted, press LT, and the minigame end...

[chilly adder]

Hold down the buttons shown 🙂

[junior rose]

I really tried

Maybe I didn't hold it long enough, idk

[chilly adder]

Can you screen record a video of what is happening?

[swift harness]

Why is Hades 2 not on the Steam front page? 🙁
Or is it only not shown for me cus I own it? Can someone confirm? It deserves to be front page.

[fringe holly]

Hey is it just me or is the achievement system missing from Epic Games?

I even restarted the app, no dice

[ashen ingot]

it was for me, for a few hours from what i could tell. Silent hill f is back on there at the moment

[hollow moss]

It's been a couple of years since I played Hades, and I've only beaten Hades (the final boss) like 3 or 4 times. Should I replay and maybe progress further before playing Hades II? Or should I just send it and jump straight in

Also how connected are the stories?

[blazing bison]

Hi there, this question is probably better asked in #h2-tech-support .

[prisma knot]

You're at a point where you can start h2 with most context filled, but you'd still be spoiling yourself about the h1 ending that happens at about 10ish clears?

[golden violet]

it is connected directly and it would be better if u defeat hades like 5 or 6 more times to get the credits, max out all gods for true ending tho

[past elm]

I've figured it out, it's a bug, where can I report it?

[blazing bison]

You can press F10 and report the bug from in-game.

[broken wraith]

does ||knuckle bones|| apply to all phases of a boss

[hollow moss]

Thanks 👍 I'll at the very least get the normal ending before Hades 2

[split silo]

the ||initial damage|| no, but the ||damage resistance|| yes

except for ||the end boss of the surface, it chunks from his entire health||

[polar laurel]

Good to know

[gritty slate]

||what is the way of unlocking the hidden aspects and also any tips for typhoon ||

[polar laurel]

For ||typhon|| you can pretty much spend the whole fight next to him except when he slams into you and when he shoots gusts of wind. You can ignore most of the fight that way lol

[fringe holly]

Hidden aspects are unlocked when ||you talk to the person who has an aspect for the weapon, after you have unlocked all non-hidden aspects and leveled them up (I forget how many level-ups are required, probably 3)||

[gritty slate]

Oh ok

[hybrid anchor]

When full release? Or is it like 1 where the open beta is basically the full game?

[vernal knoll]

|| How do you unlock the aspects system? I'm on a fresh file for 1.0, I don't remember the prerequisite for the incantation appearing||

[ashen ingot]

v1.0 was a few hours ago

[frail grail]

i wonder, what weapon wants hermes auto?
because i understand it gives speed but damage wise its absolutely the worst one
you would think its axe but axe benefts most from just damage increase because it has so much raw
so it makes no sense attackspeed would give it more than lets say 80% from aphro
im trying to udnerstand because it kinda sounds bad

[native vault]

how do I equip this card that says 0, it won't let me

[visual portal]

There should be instructions on it that say “activate by…” there’s a few that do that but there’s some cards that allow you to activate by, say, only equipping certain cards or by not equipping certain cards

[charred trout]

Man the combat seems hard to get used to. Can't stop taking damage.

[visual portal]

I promise it will get easier as you get better. Felt impossible at first.

[charred trout]

Especially the things that yell yellow lines at you

I cant dodge those things lol

[paper adder]

I feel that 😭

you could try to just attack them once if they're not armored and that should stop them

[frozen ember]

Hermes boons aren't the same as 'regular' god boons, his Nimble Limbs boon doesn't take up your attack boon slot, so you can take both it and Flutter Strike.

[visual portal]

The screamers you just have to keep distance with distance moves! And use your casts to trap

[native vault]

Got it ty

Also I unlocked the surface even though the furthest I have been is the boss of || Oceanus || is this too soon or does it not matter?

[charred trout]

omg I beat ||headmistress||

[visual portal]

It doesn’t matter, you have tons to do still

[plush willow]

should i turn on auto sprint after like dash

[exotic granite]

keep it on hold

[plush willow]

what should my settings look like

[exotic granite]

i just kept mine on default

[plush willow]

default for me was on auto

[exotic granite]

weird

[split silo]

i think it’s a very good QoL, leaves you from having to hold space the whole time

[exotic granite]

just play around with the settings, its not like smth is gonna entirely change ur game

[plush willow]

what should i do tho

just beat the game?

[exotic granite]

yea?

upgrade ur arcanna, upgrade ur aspects, unlock all the stuff, unlock all keepsakes

[short obsidian]

Does the ||Umbral Flames|| held primary attack count as an Omega attack for the purposes of boons?

[plush willow]

idk what that means

[split silo]

yes, you will see every few hits have a small charging animation, that attack in specific is an omega attack

[plush willow]

i rember watching a vid about hades 1 like coop boons

liek where gods team up or whtver

does that still exist

also which gods are the best to go for

[vast oriole]

I don't get the compelling ghosts/shades thing. Whenever i initiate the process i get shown both buttons RB and LB, press them and the whole thing fails.

[cold jackal]

Yes it does still exist amd is very powerful

Not sure about the combinations, but you need at least 1 boon from either god, and then meet either of them again for a small chance at a duo boon

[split silo]

you have to hold the matching button(s) that’s showing up until it switches to another button

[split silo]

it varies a lot per build, i suggest for now you experiment and see what you like

all gods can be very good, but some of the best in a lot of cases can be ||hestia, zeus, and hera||

[vivid flare]

||Hephaestus|| is also very good if you can roll into early Poms and rarity

[faint rain]

I have a question about disability-friendliness. Do you have to hold down buttons, ever? Are you ever prevented from pausing?

[vivid flare]

You are only prevented from pausing during an alternate (and more difficult) version of the final boss, that must be explicitly opted into

You also get a meta-progression upgrade to let you pause again after getting blocked from pausing that first time

[split silo]

i agree but ||he requires investment and preferably a maxed out keepsake|| ||so might not be great from the get go, although a good defensive option||

[vivid flare]

There are also auto-fire and auto-sprint options

[split silo]

additionally, for most weapons you don’t hold the fire button if that’s what’s an issue

[faint rain]

thank you!

[split silo]

although i just realized, for omega moves, which are alternative attacks/specials/casts, you do have to hold down the corresponding button for it to activate

[faint rain]

I can hold a button or button mash, but only in occasional, short bursts.

[orchid coyote]

Hi I have a.. question I guess/ feedback but I am not sure where it should go. If you have flame strike and vampiric cataclysm with the witches staff, omega attacks which cause fire damage do not give you the +5 hp. Is that intended?

[split silo]

not sure how it works with auto fire, though

[split silo]

you can most certainly play the game in a non-button mash-y playstyle

[faint rain]

Mostly I am worried about needing to, say, constantly hold down a button to sprint, as I know that at some point in Early Access, that was the only way to sprint. So it sounds like that is not a problem anymore.

[split silo]

yes, there’s an auto sprint option now, which i’ve always had on

[vivid flare]

Is Scorch killing or the Omega attack itself?

[orchid coyote]

Does that make sense how I phrased it? What i mean is if I use a left click omega attack with the staff, it causes fire damage. if that fire damage caused by said omega attack kills them, it does not give the +5 hp which i think i am supposed to get by vampirc cataclysm

[vivid flare]

Scorch is a status effect

[frozen ember]

Turn on auto sprint in the menu, yeah. I wish it was default tbh.

[orchid coyote]

okay so not effected

[split silo]

is it not the default?

[vivid flare]

Nope

[orchid coyote]

that makes sense, thanks for clearing up. wasnt sure if it was caused by the initial root of damage or so forth

[split silo]

yeah it’s counted as a scorch kill, but if the initial damage from the omega attack kills them, you get the HP

[vivid flare]

Yeah, nah. It's also why you have to read the fine print when it comes to stuff like blasts or Scorch, because it also wouldn't be affected by, say, Mel Torch's crit bonus since it's not attack or special damage

[orchid coyote]

So most things like that have nothing to do with the initial source of damage? I thought possible since the scorch damage was caused by an omega attack, the omega attack passive might apply. but that makes sense if it only applies to the source of damage directly

[vivid flare]

Generally speaking, if a core boon says it gives you a flat number instead of a percentage increase, assume it's a separate effect from the move's damage

(Except for Geyser Spout)

[split silo]

tbf Geyser Spout does explicitly mention Power

[vivid flare]

Aphro or Apollo attack, as another example, would trigger Vampiric since those scale up the base attack damage

[manic canyon]

What are the conditions for ||Hera|| to start appearing?

[vivid flare]

||Unraveling a Fateful Bond and doing your first unrestricted surface run||

Spoiler tag that, everything past Hecate is considered necessary to tag

[plush willow]

when can u do images

[orchid coyote]

Apologies

[vivid flare]

||This is how you tag spoilers BTW||

[plush willow]

how do u dash aattack

also di play h1 first

[vivid flare]

Dash and hit attack

[vivid flare]

Might as well

[manic canyon]

Oh gotcha, ty

[vivid flare]

Side note, that's now the last keepsake you need to get for the "check boons" incantation

Which is great because it means people will no longer get walled by ||Eris|| for a pretty important QoL feature

[plush willow]

||LAST RUN OF NIGHT ALMOST BEAT CERBERUS||

[split silo]

nice!

[dusky bone]

Can someone explain to me what cast exactly does?? I feel like it does absolutely nothing…

[plush willow]

WHERE DO U CLAIM QUESTS AGAIN

like i remember gettnig stuff for profecies or smthing

nvm

[signal bolt]

at base it ensnares enemies from moving or keeps them from dashing far

holding the button will charge an omega cast and will cause it to deal damage after a period of time

[dusky bone]

I feel like when I use it, I always end up getting hit. Like there is no perfect time to use

[signal bolt]

i like to just plant my cast, let the enemies walk into it, and space myself while hitting them

[dusky bone]

I’ll give that a try though. I didn’t know you can charge the cast

Thank you @signal bolt I’ll try to get used to it.

[plush willow]

||why cant i use the centaur card thing||

[split silo]

||it has a condition to activate it because it’s 0 grasp cost||

[sleek idol]

How do you activate ||the centaur|| card? I don’t understand it.

[paper adder]

it should show that ||it requires you to have cards of each "amount" from 1 to 5 activated|| before you activate it

[sleek idol]

Took me a while to understand, but I literally just got it 😅

I thought you had to activate something during gameplay, haha

[wanton plover]

how do I see my relationship points with fellow NPCs?just like in hades 1 where I can see the heart

[vivid flare]

With no boons, it's just a slowing field a la Arthur sword special from Hades 1

[vivid flare]

You need to unlock it via an incantation

[night hemlock]

Same 🙁

[sleek idol]

Is there any way to ||avoid being turned into a sheep during the headmaster fight||?

[vivid flare]

Yeah, you dodge the ball for long enough and it'll despawn

Go back and forth, using the iframes from the dash

[sleek idol]

I can’t outrun it. Can you dodge through it?

Ah okay

[prime mica]

||dash through it at the last second||

[vivid flare]

IIRC, it's about 7 dashes

Alternatively, ||once you have familiars unlocked, you can send the ball into Frinos||

[short obsidian]

So... is ||Grave Thirst|| supposed to affect a ||weapon|| I haven't unlocked yet? Cause it's doing that lol

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it'll do that

[short obsidian]

Rude lol

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it's super duper fun

[sleek idol]

I have a thing that says ||if you use blast effects from Hephaestus just after they recharge, they fire 2 times, but I don’t think I have blast effects from that? How do I check?||

[vivid flare]

Do you have his attack, special, or sprint?

[sleek idol]

I have flame strike for attack, but I don’t think I have any blast stuff

I don’t know where to check though.

[vivid flare]

Volcanic Strike, Volcanic Flourish, and Smithy Rush are all blasts

And you can't get the Duo without one of those three

[vivid flare]

You should be able to tab over to your current boons somehow. Left on the D-pad by default on controller, and God knows what on KBM

[sleek idol]

I looked through all of my boons but I couldn’t find anything. I’ve got the flame strike, but I don’t think that’s it.

[vivid flare]

No, that's Hestia attack

So no other cores besides the attack?

[sleek idol]

OH. I do have smithy rush, I’m just stupid.

[silk mason]

It's B on KBM

[vast oriole]

can you somehow see on your boons which god they are from? I can e.g. select a boon that says "your blast effects from Haephaestus have..." So it would be really helpful to see which are effected.

[median lantern]

played early access but forgot some of the stuff... what's the glowing star on my bottom left beside my magick for?

[primal trench]

Not quite outside of the codex, comes from game knowledge, plus the boon icon is color tailored to their god

Like heph hoons are browns, aphro are pink, hera blue, hestia orangey, zeus yellow, ares red

So on

[elfin swift]

Some aspects have an ability thay can trigger when you hit a certain threshold- the glowing star means its ready to proc. Its an indicator that is present depending on the equipped aspect

[primal trench]

Plus what they do, like if something mentions blast, it's from heph unless is a duo

[median lantern]

what would that be if i were to equip the sister blades using the aspect of melinoe

oh. i got it. thanks!

[icy blade]

what is the cross or X smybol blow enemy helathbars?

[manic saffron]

Guys, I just got my hands on Hades 2 and it's incredible!

All that waiting for the past year finally paid off lol

[primal trench]

Arcana cards for dealing extra dmg when affected by 2 curses

I forgor the name

[median lantern]

i think it's some kind of bonus damage when they are affected by multiple curses

[primal trench]

+50% when maxed

[icy blade]

i dont have those yet

i just started

[primal trench]

Wanna dm me a pic of it?

[median lantern]

you can still get curses from certain boons

[primal trench]

Oh it could be the freeze cooldown, do you have demeter?

[icy blade]

that might be it

il try it out later, and if not il send a picture

[primal trench]

I don't remember what it looks like from the top of my head, but yeah feel free to dm me with a pic

[fringe holly]

No story spoilers please, how do I get Soot to wake up Hypnos?

[thorn mica]

I am wondering the same about Soot + how to get other ingridients for the last incantations, any ideas?

[fervent lotus]

Soot can be find || at Hades house, go to the NPC, after a few runs you'll have it ||

[ashen halo]

hii, returning after not playing the EA for a few months, should i start a new save file? my old save file i managed to kill ||chronos|| and ||eris|| once, when ||eris|| was still the last boss for going up, idk if they added more after that ive not been keeping track qwq

[naive nymph]

Hi everyone, anyone know where I can get ||thalamus||? Need it for the icantation

Itd be heşpful to know if its on the surface or not

[indigo quest]

I always fail trying to compel shades, anyone have a video on it?

[naive nymph]

Nevermind, for those who also wants to know Chaos gives it to you

[primal trench]

There's no right or wrong answer to this, you won't miss story by just using your save, some lines might feel out of place but I think that's alright. That aside if you dont mind losing your progress, starting a new save isn't also bad. Is really up to you. Gotta weight if starting over for the sake of story is worth over your current progress

[primal trench]

How exactly do you think you're struggling? Is left and right, it shows on screen what button to press, if not both

Alternatively can always bring ||frinos||, he skips the minigame

[south copper]

How do you unlock aspects that aren’t just Mel aspects

[thorn mica]

can someone please help with game ending, dm or reply here, I don't understand what I need to do to defeat the bosses to progress the story

[true spoke]

What do you mean?

[thorn mica]

I defeat chronos multiple times but the reagent for disseintegration of time is still unknown, do I keep fighting him or do I have to go to the surface last boss and defeat him multiple times

[thorn mica]

basically I dont know how to progress to unlock the permanent defeat incantations

[sand void]

please remember to spoil tag everything post eberus

[frail grail]

I WONDER, heaven strike is probably bad for spin2win builds right

i just want to find high damage% like aphro?

it makes the most sense to me to either find high flat increase (because im multi hitting with spin) OR very high % increase right?

i just dont see how blitz can be strong as main attack on axe

someone correct me if im wrong?

[sand void]

I'm no expert, but I've never find a lot of success while adding blitz to main attack

I usually add it to secondary, that seems to work better

[frail grail]

yeah in general i just dont see why it would be good on main almost ever

it sounds like it would be decent on stuff like torch Y

cause it just spins and applies it once

very low damage hit so you get value

[pale roost]

origination

[signal bolt]

blitz attack is actually very solid if u have a way to deal big damage right after, the most simple example being mel staff, where it's preferred to put blitz on attack and a % boon on special

[quartz tendon]

Whats this thing about getting silver status from charon?

[sand void]

I was wondering about that, I got it yesterday 😄

but I guess that's a spoiler 🙈

[quartz tendon]

Idk if it is tbh. I don't even know its function

[frail grail]

what a cursed run man

90% meta mats 10% boons, what is this

[eternal jacinth]

nectar ||is there any way to better track whom i gave a Nectar withouth having to check the keepsake display in the training grounds? Kinda missing that feature from Hades 1||

[fringe holly]

You have to unlock it with an incantation that shows up when ||you have given out enough nectar to various people||

[eternal jacinth]

oh? i see, im currently at the point of making ||Chaos' incanation to do his whatever Challenges, and just unlocked the familiars||

but thanks, ||i just find it odd that they would remove it from the codex like that||

[brazen oyster]

Should I pursue a cast build with arcanas and all in early game or should I worry about that later

[primal trench]

Either way works

Cast builds are just one of the many builds in the game

[frail grail]

how do you get the reagents for top side? ||am i literally supposed to just run like a clown and find them before i die?... surely theres a better way?||

normally i wouldnt ask but if its the only way i want to know

[pliant quest]

If it's like in Early Access, yes, you are supposed to do that ||the resource is in like the first or second chamber||

So it just takes a couple of very short runs

[frail grail]

aight

[frozen jay]

does resetting the night also randomize the seed?

[grizzled ibex]

if you do undo night. i'm 90% sure you keep the seed

some stuff can still change if you swap keepsakes though i believe

[frozen jay]

missed some silver thats why 😭

[velvet siren]

hi i lost my save any have a good save ?

[grizzled ibex]

i don't know if resources are seeded or just room rewards but that 3 silver isn't worth resetting unless its the first room of the run imo

[velvet siren]

i need a save before ||prometheus || i

[frail grail]

quick general questions, do elite rooms actually give anything extra?
is there any benefit to elite rooms or is it just harder period no added bonus

[frozen ember]

The minibosses are usually a bit quicker and easier than regular rooms once you've got a build rolling + yeah they give upgraded rarity boons.

[primal trench]

Higher rarity boons, or extra gold or extra poms

[tiny thorn]

Started a new game and am several nights in. Can some one remind me how to enable pets? I can’t seem to trigger it.

[frozen ember]

It's a relatively late unlock IIRC?

[tiny thorn]

Oh dang. I miss them sm.

[subtle quail]

does anyone else feel the "wtf just hit me" far more in hades 2 than 1?

in both my deaths to the boss at the end of ||oceanus|| like half the damage i took i had no idea what hit me :|

[shy wadi]

Me not understanding why I keep dying with my build till I finally asked myself "wait, I am not putting any curses on my hits, I am not getting origination!!!"
I felt so dumb

[sand void]

|| you need to brew the Woodsy Lifespring Incantation, needs 2 nectar and 1 lotus, and defeat Hecate apparently, but I assume you've done that already ||

that's what the wiki says

[primal trench]

||Pets|| were the main reason I didn't want to start a new save file

😭

[frozen ember]

I'm on a fresh file and I forgot how much I didn't like the very early parts

[fluid magnet]

XD i reached Cronos in the night 5 the Game is easy or is normal?

[paper adder]

Personally it's a whole different deal to reach him and to beat him

[median dew]

Ok, long rant incoming . I only played Hades 1 for a bit since I was new to roguelikes and didn’t like the repetitive loop — didn’t even get how meta-progression or builds worked, so I never finished it. Fast forward to 2025, I’ve enjoyed Returnal, beaten Elden Ring: Night Reign, Deadzone Rogue, and now I’m loving Shape of Dreams. Still, I’m skeptical about Hades II. Is it easier to understand in terms of mechanics, builds, and QoL over original? And should I grab it even if I never completed the first Hades?

[shy zephyr]

imo it's just like hades 1 in terms of complexity, you should probably go retry that first

[median dew]

And with regards to ease of play and QoL improvements ?

[long zealot]

Games alright I recommend it. Won’t give it a score but it’s worth a punt. Try it for 2 hours and if not a fan refund it

[vast oriole]

On my way to ||Chronos||, I revealed some kind of|| Express|| or smth way. Is this like an actual way to skip some of the previous content?

[frozen ember]

H2 is a substantially more polished game, but with regards to your first question I would personally go back and play H1 again to check? Like, H2 is more complex than H1 but I would say both are far more intuitive than Nightreign and you've gotten better at the genre since if you found that one fine.

[split silo]

no, that is the intended path

i had the exact same question as you before, but ||you basically take this route because chronos has locked down normal entrances to tartarus/the house of hades||

[vast oriole]

Would still be cool to skip some of the beginning since it's basically rolling with modern tank over a field guarded by peasants.

[split silo]

technically you are skipping, ||since it’s you can get to the house in 5 chambers, where going the normal way through tartarus is more||

[vast oriole]

So the doors with the roman numbers on them (while IIII isn't even a number...) are the fast way?

[split silo]

||yes, the rooms with the roman numerals are what progress you closer to chronos, the other rooms give you a reward but you’d still have to go through that amount of roman numeral rooms to get to the house||

[vast oriole]

or i mean are direct progresson and the usual door symbols would make the normal route.

[frozen ember]

||IIII has very specifically been the standard for roman numeral clocks for a long, long time. That's why it's IIII not IV.||

It's a deep cut not a mistake

(||I also vaguely recall that IV might have been invented post-Roman times and the actual Romans used IIII? Not sure on that one, I've read vanishingly few roman studies, got enough of that in school.||)

[median dew]

Noted I will give a Hades a second try. Also Shield is the best weapon for beginners in the game right ?

[frozen ember]

I genuinely have not played H1 in like four years I'm not a good person to ask but I believe so? That or bow.

[dark breach]

What would u say is better for beginners? The Staff or the Blades?

[cobalt igloo]

I think it just depends on what feels best to you/what you like most, bow was my favorite when starting out because of the range

[frozen ember]

whichever they vibe with better

[vivid flare]

It's more of a comfort choice

[frozen ember]

which is easier to fluke a first clear with is probably blades because of trick knives but otherwise it's really whichever you prefer (and axe is better than either for a first clear anyway imo)

[dark breach]

Don't have the Axe yet

[vivid flare]

Or you just high-roll into a clang build that gives you everything on a platter

[frozen ember]

try em both out

[dark breach]

Yeah since I don't have any keepsakes yet it's hard to go for builds anyways

I guess I should get some nectar and start getting those

I decided to start over. I played the game already at the start of EA but now I got it again on Switch 2 and decided to start over

Maybe I shouldn't have but I felt like they probably added a lot of dialogues and stuff

I think I already beat the third biome back then and unlocked that second exit but not entirely sure

[vast oriole]

If you e.g. plant smth in your "base". How long is 1 time? Like one room?

[vivid flare]

Exactly

One encounter, specifically, since there's regions with multiple encounters in the same room

[vast oriole]

hm, I'm wondering if I should keep submitting 2 Tickets at ||the Boat guy for Psyche or if I should save up for Fabric||

[vivid flare]

You do need a metric ton of both

[vast oriole]

I suppose initially Psyche has a bit more priority, no?

[paper girder]

How to i get any additional familiars i have met and peted the white raven three times now, same with the other one on mount Olympus. How do u get new familiars.

[vivid flare]

Fate fabric is used for Mel Knife upgrades as well as several key incantations, so it's not a terrible idea to stock up on some. Personally have Psyche running almost constantly, and then occasional hits of Fate Fabric

[vivid flare]

Do you have any cookies for them?

You need to recruit ||the frog, the cat, and the raven|| before ||Hecate gives you permission to recruit the polecat and dog||

[vast oriole]

I also saw on yt that Champions and Enchantress is like a must to reroll. But i have honestly not really used the one i have yet. I Probably don't even understand what i should be rerolling.

[robust flame]

just started playing last night, i have to say, i cant picture this Hestia wielding exagryph

[vivid flare]

TBF, those guides also assume you have the Grasp for the whole reroll corner, and have upgraded them

[vast oriole]

can you maybe give me a hint of what i would likely want to reroll for smth else at the stage of trying ||Chronos||?

[vivid flare]

And when you're rerolling, you're mostly looking to get specific cores, or you're fishing for Duos/Legendaries/boon rarity

[vast oriole]

I don't even know what you mean by cores 😄

[frozen ember]

Do not listen to youtubers most youtubers don't know jack.

The reroll corner is extremely important once you have a fully upgraded arcana set and kind of garbage before that, because it goes from giving you 4 of the item to giving you ten.

[shy zephyr]

rerolls start being good once you have most of the boons in the game memorized and know what works on each aspect

[vivid flare]

Cores are your 5 core moves. Attack, Special, Cast, Sprint, and Mana regen

[frozen ember]

99.99% of YT content out right now is bait from people who haven't played the game much, the exceptions would be Haelian, Boated and a few other people but I've always been personally very dubious on Haelian's new player guides

he tends to fall into giving a specific opinion rather than keeping to an overview, which the average viewer will then take as their own

[vast oriole]

I see, I have seen that you can upgrade cards but haven't come across a chance to do so. Will this be offered in the future automatically or do i have to take like a certain action?

[vivid flare]

You need to get post-fight dialogue from ||Hecate|| to trigger it, like a lot of other system unlocks

[frozen ember]

||hecate|| will give the incant to you at some point, yup what strength said

[vast oriole]

ye, i noticed that and looked at Healian, i think it was.

[frozen ember]

like ultimately the best answer to most questions is 'ignore it and play the game' until you're a good 20 runs or so in at least

because a lot of it is 'okay so what weapon moveset works the best for you' and then you can go from there

[vivid flare]

Especially since you're missing stuff like the boon list, pets, card upgrades, and aspect upgrades for a while

[vast oriole]

so it's simply progress related and not tied to do some kind of specific research? Guess that's what I'm basically asking.

[frozen ember]

What do you mean specific research exactly? It's an incantation like most unlocks

[vivid flare]

You'll need to do an incantation for it, but yes, it's just a "do more runs" thing

[fallen kite]

Effects that buff Cast damage. Do they also increase things like Apollo’s cast boon giving damage when expiring? Demeter’s boon that makes a gust on your cast?

[frozen ember]

yes to the first no to the second I believe

[vivid flare]

Yes to the first for sure, unsure about the second

[frozen ember]

I think for gust specifically it doesn't but gust damage is low anyway sans air quality

[vivid flare]

But for the advice superposition, I'm going to say yes :3

Also true, cast Gust damage (especially Common, when it's just 4) is super low, so it's a pain to tell

Plus you can have other sources that boost it for sure, like @vivid flare, and that can throw your math off

[vast oriole]

I recognized Limestone first after i went past it like 5 times. I wonder how much other ressources I missed without paying attention 😄

[frozen ember]

there's an incant that alerts you to mats

[vivid flare]

Good news, there's an incantation for that

[vast oriole]

I have it, but it didn't stop me from being a tunnel visioned ignorant idiot.

[frozen ember]

oh, yeah I do that all the time 😩

[pseudo sluice]

Hey guys! Started playing a few hours ago. I've been wondering, should I prioritize in getting my grasp up and investing my economy into buying more psych at the broker?

Or what's the best thing to do early game, I didn't play early access

[vast oriole]

it's meanwhile a classic for me, that while i step through the door to the next location I see like a flower etc.

[lavish wing]

the sooner you can get more grasp, the more Arcana you can use and the easier your runs will be, so you can get into new zones and get the resources you need for other upgrades/aspects/incantations etc :)

[vivid flare]

I've been using Charon deliveries for Psyche, personally

[split silo]

i would say this is a good way to approach it, when you see something that needs other materials that you want, you can shift some priority onto them, otherwise psyche for maxing your grasp is the way to go

same thing with Ash! since you do also need that for unlocking the arcana cards

[pseudo sluice]

sweet thanks! got to half health, somewhere on a boss on the 3rd world on my best run so far around night 7 but then he kicked my ass. Think I saw that I can get more levels onto my Arcana cards too?

I've been using them on the first tier if so lol

[vast oriole]

Kinda funny how you can apply the term "grasp" multifunctionally there 🙂

[vivid flare]

You'll never guess where to get the incantation from that (||it's Hecate||)

[pseudo sluice]

oh no, REDACTED information

[vivid flare]

Also, spoiler tag that

[split silo]

spoiler that boss’ name please! anything past erebus should be spoilered

[lavish wing]

i don't... grasp what you mean :)

[pseudo sluice]

fixed! sorry

[split silo]

but yeah you can upgrade your cards, i’m not sure how early you can do that, but it’s eventually possible

[static elbow]

should i restart for actual release?

[pseudo sluice]

thanks yall! loving the game so far. they really cooked with this one. feels more difficult to understand than H1 but I'm enjoying it a lot.

Gonna get back to gaming now 🙂

[vast oriole]

mkay now i somewhat lifted my confusion. I thought ||Hecate|| is one of the God buddies giving you powerups instead of being a "enemy" boss.

[split silo]

it feels overwhelming at first but once everything clicks, it clicks well. take your time with it and enjoy!

[split silo]

well technically ||she’s training/testing you||

ahh nvm you did figure it out, just reread your message

[vast oriole]

wait, ||it's the witch meaning the first boss? ||
and i could have it already for a long time?

[split silo]

yes, ||Hecate is the boss fight of erebus, not a one time interaction||

[pseudo sluice]

another thing I noticed is that || Nemesis || is such an a-h, so unnecessarily rude. I wish I could fight ||her|| at some point (no spoilers please! lol)

[split silo]

she sure is rude haha

[vast oriole]

now I'm confused again 😄
I beat ||Cerberus|| and then died at ||Chronos||, but i have not seen any such incantation at all.

[split silo]

sorry i must’ve understood you wrong, what exactly are you trying to know?

[shy zephyr]

hecate is melinoe's mentor, she also fights her at the end of erebus every run to train her

[short ravine]

Can someone help me? I'm a bit lost how to progress

[vast oriole]

I'm trying to figure out when and where i can unlock upgrading my Arcana Cards. I'm less concerned at what point i can exactly get it, but rather If i missed smth or could upgrade those already.

[shy zephyr]

which part specifically are you having trouble with

[lavish wing]

if you're looking for the one that ||upgrades Arcana|| i believe you get it after ||unlocking a certain number of Arcana||

it's called ||Consecration of Ashes|| - i'm afraid i don't know ||how many you need to unlock to see it|| though

[short ravine]

I just got || gigagos || and I think Hecate said smth ABT using it in || Olympus || first but I don't see it w my weapons what do I do next. I just got the weapon last run

[shy zephyr]

check the cauldron

[short ravine]

I wasn't paying attention so I'm lost asl

[short ravine]

Oki thanks mb if it was simple as

[short ravine]

What do I do to get || entropy || sorry again if it's obvious I haven't been locked in on the dialogue for like 30 runs tbh

[pseudo sluice]

are some weapons tougher if you don't have as much content unlocked or am I just bad at using them? ||Axe|| felt weak the first time I tried it whereas the ||Flames|| felt really powerful and instantly took me deep without having much unlocked

[short ravine]

The axe felt insane to me

Like by far the best, but now I can't even use it

I've been using the umbral flames for AGES

Like 30 of my 50 runs

[pseudo sluice]

I guess I should give it another go, I just felt so weak like... taking damage on the first map kind of weak, probably cause I couldn't hit and run as much as I'm used to. Maybe I'm just terrible at using it lol

[short ravine]

I think it's very dependant on your build

The axe CAN be insanely good

It's js not as good w some builds imo

[split silo]

they have very different playstyles, so it boils down to how you like to play too

[short ravine]

How do I get || entropy ||

[split silo]

for example when i first started i absolutely hated torch but loved axe

now i love both

[short ravine]

I've still not really tried alot of weapons. Like in Hades 1 w the twin fists I found my thing and dug in

Whats the community consensus on best weapon

[split silo]

||aspect of medea skull, aspect of circe staff, hidden aspect of blades, moros torches||

[short ravine]

||Umbral Flames + Aspect of Moros|| has made me win every single run in the main path since I picked it. Still can't beat that bastard at the end of the ||surface tho||

[split silo]

those are some of them

[shy zephyr]

check the description in your inventory

[short ravine]

Aii cool. Man I'm slow LMAO

I love this game but man I've gotten stumped by the stupidest stuff like 5 times lol

My fault FS js funny

I'm too one track minded. I've legit only used two keepsakes in 56 runs LMAO

[vast oriole]

I don't quite get the "Fated Intervention" Incantation. I did that yesterday and literally nothing happened, while it simply burned ressources.

[shy zephyr]

keep playing, you'll see what it does

[short ravine]

Is that ||black stone|| thing really only 3 things??

I did them all when I unlocked it it's been ages and I've not gotten a single new one

[vivid flare]

You unlock more as you get more aspects and keepsakes

[short ravine]

Ah well that makes sense

I got one of each of those and ignored them

That's annoying. Guess I'll have to get that moving lol

[vivid flare]

Also as you get more pets and cards, in some cases

[short ravine]

I see. I'll probably leave it for now since I'm so close to being able to beat the ||mountain boss guy at the end of the surface|| and I think that's the last fight anyway

[vivid flare]

||Both routes have 4 regions. That is all I will say on the matter||

[short ravine]

I think I misspoke then

Because I'm aware

[vivid flare]

Yeah, I didn't know if you meant ||Prometheus|| or someone else

[short ravine]

Unless I'm being really dumb lol, idc about spoilers, is || the father of all monsters || the final final boss?

[short ravine]

That someone else ya

[vivid flare]

Yeah, ||Typhon is the surface final boss||

[short ravine]

Okay thought so

[snow sparrow]

Is there any point to try || and farm the bronze needed for the Nocturnal Arms, while still under the effect of Chthonic Fate ? Ie what are the chances of bronze appearing in the first two rooms || ?

[short ravine]

The surface is sm tougher man got me on the ropes and I have 5 death defiances LMAO

[vivid flare]

Oh, absolutely not. It's a "if you get it, you get it." You're there ||for the moss at that point||. Also, spoiler mark that

[short ravine]

I tried that

I was getting so mad I couldn't figure it out

Think I js gave up until I got the thing

[snow sparrow]

then I guess I am going wormhole hunting 😄

[vivid flare]

Like, if you find some in the first three rooms, fantastic! If you don't, it's not the end of everything

[short ravine]

My issue was

[snow sparrow]

I did find some, but not enough and I just didn't know if I was really lucky or not

[short ravine]

I got it the first time I went there and not again for like 10 runs

[frozen ember]

People vibe with different movesets, mostly

[snow sparrow]

exactly this

[vivid flare]

Don't forget to set a forget-me-not on something that needs the material so you'll know if a node's in the room

[snow sparrow]

yeah

[short ravine]

Btw what do ppl think abt this game compared to the first

[vivid flare]

Gameplay and balance is a lot better compared to the first

[frozen ember]

I think it's a pretty strict gameplay upgrade in more or less every dimension and the pinnacle of the genre at this time

[short ravine]

In my opinion the characters are less interesting but the gameplay is js the first game on meth, better in everyway imo

[frozen ember]

I'm very sorry to people who loved dash spam but it was hugely restricting gameplay complexity

because dashing through an attack was always the best answer

[short ravine]

Hades 1 visuals and characters w Hades 2 gameplay would actually give me a seizure

[short ravine]

Hades 1 all I would do is

Hey the dash deflect

Get*

And win LMAO it's all I ever did

[vivid flare]

||I have good news for you||

[short ravine]

I only focused on getting that one Athena dash boon

[elfin swift]

I like h2's cast more but lol gotta agree they dont feel like they've got as muuch depth

[short ravine]

ITS SM BETTER I LOVE IT

The cast is elite imo

[short ravine]

Hm?

[short ravine]

I feel like Hades 2 has way more boons I'll actually use

Hades 1 would almost always be a easy choice because the other 2 boons wouldnt hold a candle

[vivid flare]

||Divine Dash is in this game, too.||

[short ravine]

WHATATATATAT

AND SHE HASNT GIVE ME IT YET?

That mfer

Athena and Ares were my faves in Hades 1

I thought both js weren't in this game I was so mad

||then Athena shows up in the middle of an encounter, and I start a run AFTER beating chronos and Ares is js like wsp Brodie||

||did Ares js get added in 1.0? I never got him in the week of ea I played||

[vivid flare]

||Ares's unlock requirement is fighting Typhon for the first time||

[short ravine]

Ahhh makes sense

[shy zephyr]

||he was added|| in the warsong update

[short ravine]

It was such a surprise I was so happy

Is there any gods in Hades 1 not in this?

My brain isn't braining rn

[vivid flare]

No

[short ravine]

And I haven't played Hades 1 in a good few months before this lol

[elfin swift]

Ya everyone in h1 is here
But not all are regular boon givers

[short ravine]

Good, when I thought ||Athena and Ares|| were missing I legit almost js didn't wanna keep playing

[elfin swift]

Apollo my meow meow

[short ravine]

||I really love dioynious and Hades in this game, such cool ways to do them||

[elfin swift]

Nem, Eris and Apollo are my faves in H2.|| Icarus|| close 4th.

[short ravine]

How many new gods are?

Fire lady, blacksmith dude, hera

Am I missing some

[elfin swift]

Technically all the crossroads
Apollos new

[short ravine]

Damn I couldn't recall

Apollo shows up ALOT

Didn't know if he was 1 or not lol

[elfin swift]

I think he was even mentioned once or twice in h1

[short ravine]

I think his name is js one the of the famous ones

[vivid flare]

No. The Hades 1 boon-givers were Athena, Artemis, Ares, Zeus, Poseidon, and Demeter

[short ravine]

Oh yaa Demeter was in 1?

[vivid flare]

Oh and Dio

[short ravine]

I thought she was new when she showed up

Also, that feels like a really low amount of gods

It feels like more playing

[vivid flare]

You had to get to dad before she would show up regularly

[short ravine]

Shows how good they did the balancing and boon choices

[vivid flare]

And then like in this game, Hermes is a special case

[short ravine]

I did beat Hades 1, but I never got as good or as into as this game, so I probably only saw her a few times

[short ravine]

Is he? What's the special thing w him in Hades 1

I thought he was a normal god

[vivid flare]

Same as this game: You can only get 2-3 of his Boons per run

[short ravine]

Sorry Ik I'm not very Hades-Pilled I js like the gameplay and find the gods cool

[short ravine]

Mate icl didn't know this until this second

I really need to pay more attention LMAO

Idk how I made it this far in the game

[vivid flare]

And usually that third one is from a final shop

[short ravine]

Did notice I always get Hermes in those

[elfin swift]

Honestly same, i didn't knkw anything but i p much always ran on low heat lol

[vivid flare]

You can also get the Anvil of Bricking Your Build Fate

[elfin swift]

Ive only gambled once or twice

[short ravine]

I don't like w Hades 2 how you can kinda lock yourself into a bad run because of having really high mana using attacks but low mana, and it's hard to fix

Plus I wish you could undo the night and make it reroll the seed

If I wanna give up I want a new run lol

[vivid flare]

There is an incantation for that

[pseudo sluice]

Maybe a dumb question but what does the clock symbol mean in this game? I have seen it used on the resource system and the npc near the broker.

[short ravine]

That's slightly better, but I don't like how that's something you need to unlock

[vivid flare]

However, it requires ||7 of each final boss drop||

[short ravine]

It's js a time indicator.

[short ravine]

See like, why

That's just anti-gamer game design imo lol

[vivid flare]

It's how many encounters you have to do in a run before the thing will happen

[short ravine]

Js make the game a little worse so you have to grind for smth, that's smth Hades normally avoids

[pseudo sluice]

gotcha, figured as much

[vivid flare]

Because it was made with speedrunners in mind more so than the casual player. Before then and in Hades 1, you have to die to reset your seed (and therefore prove it wasn't a seeded run)

[elfin swift]

Tbf i do think soft locking yourself into bad magik with high magik atks is... Very avoidable

And if u cant avoid that, i feel like youre losing a lot of nights anyway

[short ravine]

It's not like a big issue

I js mess up w that because I like alot of the mana-using boons

And I don't go for the max magick things enough lol, that issue is mostly a me thing but still annoys me

[short ravine]

Yeah that's fair enough, I think that's one of those things where I just disagree with the Devs, and that's bound to happen w every game lol

I can see why it's like that even if it'd prefer it wasnt

I'm not the main demographic for Hades at all lol

[vivid flare]

Thankfully, one of the pets has max MP as its passive, plus there's stuff like Persistence and Centaur to give yourself more of a buffer before you feel forced to grab the tonics in a run

[frozen ember]

They don't really want you to play the game like that is why.

It's a concession to speedrunners because death resetting super sucks. The salute is not something you should use outside of speedrunning because it actually reduces npc encounter rates for that run (indirectly but the full mechanics are annoying to explain).

[short ravine]

Normally I js avoid the magick max things and hope I get a boon that restores mana well lol so I mean I have myself to blame

[frozen ember]

Once you have a certain degree of metaprogression — not even endgame, honestly — you can pretty easily clear any seed on 0 fear. You don't need the incantation for that.

[vivid flare]

TLDR for that explanation, there's an internal pity system for NPC encounters, seed resets will also reset that pity counter

[short ravine]

Yeah fair enough I get that, the game isn't made for me. Some stuff I won't like and that's fair enough

[frozen ember]

basically as you progress you will unlock the tools to tailor your run, early on you don't have those so you do end up getting some experience with more or less anything

[short ravine]

My issue w seed resetting isn't that the seeds are bad TBF. Sometimes I js get a build Im not into and want a different selection, even if I could do the run

[frozen ember]

the seed reroll incantation is a niche thing with very niche benefits outside of speedrunning because you get 10 boon rerolls a run at endgame

[placid ingot]

i dont know if im just being stupid with the way im reading, what exactly is expected of me to do to activate the centaur card?

[short ravine]

I have noticed the more I play the more runs I enjoy in a row

[elfin swift]

The amount of rerolls you get in h2 is so wild

[short ravine]

I don't get many bad runs now, I used to get meh runs every couple. Now it's like maybe every 10

[frozen ember]

With metaprogression you can exert a huge amount of control over what gods you get basically, even outside the boon rerolls you can pick 2 gods a run with keepsakes

[vivid flare]

You need to turn on a 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5-cost card

[placid ingot]

oh i dont even have enough pysche yet for that

[short ravine]

I'm too dumb for this stuff, I don't even use rerolls I js have all my cards making me bulkier and more damaging pm lol, my game plan is just brute force it, and it's worked so far up to ||Typhon||

I have 5 death defiances, my whole goal is just sponge damage and get obscene dps

[frozen ember]

do consider god mode (20% damage reduction, scales +2% every death up to 80%), but other than that I'd say you can totally just build for that, there's a couple of specific gods and a specific familiar you wanna upgrade for it

that's where h2's complexity shines - there's so much stuff you can build something successful in almost any direction

[alpine wedge]

Ik its generally preference, but which weapons (non aspected) are looking to be the strongest?

[frozen ember]

aspect matters more than weapon

[short ravine]

I might try that, but I've gotten so far without it I js wanna beat ||Typhon|| how I beat ||chronos|| and then learn the nitty gritty of the game after the campaign

That's where rougelikes shine imo

[alpine wedge]

Dont i need all weps for that though?

[frozen ember]

Actually no, I've unlocked the aspect incantation on my fresh file and I'm less than ten runs in (I've been busy 😩 )

[short ravine]

Aspect of Moros took me from 3 wins to winning every chronos run I've done since

[frozen ember]

You might need a clear though

[alpine wedge]

Whats the requirement

[vivid flare]

No, Aspects of Night and Darkness doesn't need you to get all 6 weapons

[short ravine]

I legit don't think I could lose without trying on the lower path

[frozen ember]

I hope someone else can answer that because I don't know

[vivid flare]

Is it a Skelly Schelemeus dialogue or Hecate that unlocks it?

[frozen ember]

Please remember the rule here is to spoiler tag anything post-erebus, which is the first region, btw, but I gotta go get on with some more household stuff.

[lucid veldt]

Parry daggers are chiefs kiss

[vivid flare]

Yeah, Moros is considered one of the more busted weapons

[short ravine]

Thanks for the patience btw guys! Ik I'm clueless w this game. I js love the game and wanna learn

[short ravine]

It's so satisfying

[vivid flare]

Unfortunately, the overcooked grenade is still king

[frozen ember]

I can tell you on this file I'd ||cleared one testament and gotten two clears|| before it showed up.

[short ravine]

Idk what that is LMAO

[vivid flare]

Argent Skull, Aspect of Medea. You Attack to pull the pin, then Special into enemies and explode

[short ravine]

Ooo sounds fun

How annoying is aspect of Medea to upgrade

I might try it but I don't wanna put another 6 hours into grinding for bones to get stuff from the dude once a run lol

[vivid flare]

It's an non-Mel aspect, so that means ||Nightmare|| to upgrade. Best get started on ||the bounty grind||

[short ravine]

Man I hate the nightmare stuff

Can someone explain it to me better, Ik I can buy it

But how do I earn it? I thought it was the fear thing but every run I clear w fear I don't get any

I must be missing smth

[elfin swift]

Gotta follow the stone

[pseudo sluice]

Anyone have tips to compel? Are they supposed to fail? Or am I just doing it wrong

[vivid flare]

You need to beat a specific boss with the specified weapon. Like I said, it's a bounty system

[short ravine]

Wait is it the stone w ||Moros||? I thought it was the thing near the 2 enterances

[vivid flare]

You are, do the input it shows you.

Alternatively, take the frog

[short ravine]

Dayum

[short ravine]

Idk mate they are very easy js click the mouse button it says to, it's like a QTE

[pseudo sluice]

oh wow, I've been trying to follow that input but failing twice and getting rejected lol

[short ravine]

Wrong reply

[frozen ember]

Hold the button down, don't tap it.

[short ravine]

^

[vivid flare]

Erebus compels are unironically the worst since you have to hold them the longest, BTW

[pseudo sluice]

I suspect my mouse being faulty might be an issue, sometimes the click doesn't work so that could be the issue, eh

[cosmic burrow]

Hi. New here.
Just got 3 moon dust. What is the best arcana to upgrade first?

[elfin swift]

I used to always mess em up in ea for some reason but now it's fine

Except its still annoying because it takes so long

[vivid flare]

Persistence

[short ravine]

Wait hang on

I js got a ||4th aspect for the torches||

||is it better than Moros?||

[vivid flare]

||It's... different. Supay is a bullet heaven weapon, it auto-fires and your only input is to Omega so the auto-fire does more things||

[short ravine]

TBF all I do is spam out attacks the whole time

Might suit my style, if I can figure out what the new ingredient is lol

[vivid flare]

No, as in it ||fires regardless of if you're holding down the button or not||

[short ravine]

Ya I mean that sounds like smth I'd dig. Idk tho

This game has ALOT in it damn

I've got like 30-40 hours in the game in the last few days and I feel like I could be getting new unlocks for weeks

[vivid flare]

It is still considered very strong and also piss easy to use, for what it's worth

[short ravine]

Hades 1 did NOT feel this full idk

Idk if it is actually alot less content full or if it's js recency bias

Hades 1 got kinda boring by now for me

This one has alot more kick to me

Honestly I'm a little sad, I don't think I can play the first game again LMAO

It'd js feel so empty compared to this

[vast oriole]

i know it's a bit off-topic but kinda hillarioushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZKhiHIAeO4

[loud goblet]

This might be an odd question, do we get double dash again in hades 2 or no? So I can change up my play style

Been used to hades 1 mechanism, so have to unlearn it a bit

[vivid flare]

You do not

[quiet dragon]

Does anyone know if Ares's Attack% buff also apply to Omega Attacks (specifically for Black Coat's Omega)?

[vivid flare]

The Messenger Arcana acts as a ghetto second dash when you use your cast, but pretty much no one runs it

[vivid flare]

It would, yes

[upper apex]

the main way to differentiate is to look for the 's' after the attack type, e.g. "Specials"

[eternal jacinth]

how do i get ||adamant||? i got a recipe that includes it but its nowhere to be seen, ive been ||at Hades House at the bottom (only one attempt) and on the surface ive been to fight Eris once||

am i meant to have seen it yet? or am i just blind?

[cosmic burrow]

Does “undo night” save any keepsakes or items you’ve gathered? (The wording pretend it never happened makes me think not)

[vivid flare]

||It's from mining in the biome after Eris||

[vivid flare]

It would not

[eternal jacinth]

damn thanks, i got a short term objetive now

[quiet dragon]

The math doesn't seem to add up. I'm doing 490 on my Omega Attack with a 40% Ares Attack boon. Wouldn't it be (250 + 50) * 1.4 = 420?

Huntress Arcana maaay add 50%, but I can't see how to fit that into the equation to get 490

[vivid flare]

Well, Wounds procs are also considered Olympian damage, and IIRC it gets boosted by the attack percentage due to being a power increase

[vivid flare]

Huntress doesn't do jack, that's only for base attack and special

[quiet dragon]

gotcha

Still can't seem to reach 490 then.

I do not have any other dmg buffs BTW, literally only have that 1 boon

[placid ingot]

what are fate fabrics used for?

[quiet dragon]

Oh wait, there's actually a super simple answer: the Wiki is wrong, and Omega Attack actually does 300 at max charge, not 250. (300 + 50) * 1.4 = 490

[split silo]

oh yeah you’ll come to learn this very soon. The wiki is very outdated in a lot of things

[split silo]

there are a few recipes and upgrades that use it, you’ll come across them the more you play

[vivid flare]

Several different incantations, and Mel Knives upgrades

[frail grail]

man the elite guy on act3 (the one that does vaccume + claws) is absolutely ridicules despite trying my absolute best to stick to his back i still get hit

[alpine wedge]

So uh, does anybody know?

[vivid flare]

You, at minimum, need the axe, torches, and knives unlocked

[crisp moon]

i love hephaestus ong

[lilac harbor]

I just got Hades 2!!

But I don't understand anything yet

[vivid flare]

All will be revealed in due time

[frozen ember]

Try turning on auto-sprint if you're finding the movement a bit awkward, it's in the options.

[pulsar oasis]

speaking of: what is the general consensus amongst longtime players about auto-sprint, yay or nay?

[frozen ember]

split, it's very dependent on the player, at least on the speedrun discord which is the usual barometer for this sort of thing

[pulsar oasis]

i have it off, because i like to have that level of granular control over momentum/angles. what are the disadvantages to keeping it off?

[frozen ember]

bit clunkier feel, extra button presses at times

[pulsar oasis]

i feel like having auto-sprint enabled probably makes triggering origination much easier. maybe i will try it.

[frozen ember]

My recommendation to turn it on is based on 'if you find the movement awkward right now', because it smooths the process out.

(To clarify on what it does for later readers, auto-sprint makes it so you come out of your dash sprinting automatically.)

[native vault]

So I am curious if going through the ||surface|| first is fine if it happens or am I potentially ruining the story in some way?

[frozen ember]

||It's fine but I'd be really genuinely surprised if you could get a clear up there before a UW clear, it's significantly more difficult overall||

||With that said, go whichever path you want materials from, in general||

[native vault]

Yeah it feels like it even though I beat the ||cyclops|| my first run of the || surface ||

[native vault]

True

[stoic matrix]

is there a gifting guide somewhere around here? wouldn't wanna spend my nectar willy nilly

[native vault]

I'm only like 10 hours playtime right now I'm just focused on getting stronger and gathering materials

[alpine wedge]

Which resource would i ideally want the most earlier on? Speaking in relations to the second hand gifts

[frozen ember]

Do you mean like, meta resource or gatherable resource

I've been finding myself short on ashes on this new file, mostly for the former

[pulsar oasis]

i would go skelly > dora > odysseus > then all the olympians.

you dont get the boon codex until you gift all of the main gods

[frozen ember]

for the latter you want a tonne of silver just so much

[alpine wedge]

Resource given by the guy in oceania, stuff like silver, bones, psyche that he gives

Right, silver it is

[frozen ember]

unless they changed it from EA all the 'base' aspects use silver to be upgraded early so it's the resource you consume in large numbers the earliest

[vivid flare]

Nope, it's still silver for 4/6 Mel aspects

[frozen ember]

oh right yeah the last two aren't

[native vault]

Silver is really really useful lol

[frozen ember]

anyway yeah eventually you'll need less silver but in your first like, 10-20 runs ||take the silver if offered by narcissus IMO||, that or ||fate fabric||

that or whichever run resource is more useful to the run

[native vault]

Somehow this game loves throwing ashes and bones at me in my runs, but not boons, incantation materials, or upgrade materials haha

[vivid flare]

I've occasionally taken the flowers because I needed them for incantations, but agreed on the Silver

[native vault]

Is there a place I can see how many runs I have done so far? Lol

[pulsar oasis]

there's an arcana card you can get later that will randomly switch a few of those minor rewards into major ones (like boons) a couple times throughout the run

[native vault]

I have definitely done a lot

[pulsar oasis]

you unlock that later

it's an incantation

[frozen ember]

it's on your save when you load in, you unlock ||record keepers|| later

[native vault]

Oh I think I have seen that one I just have to buy it

[native vault]

Ah ok.

[real wyvern]

what does the yellow bar thingu dropped by hecate do?

[polar laurel]

It's another resource for your cauldron

[still pier]

ive seen in some of the mini boos rooms that before entering there is a 3rd symbol with a golen paper, what does that indicate ? lore related stuff perhaps ? since it doesn't always shows up before picking a mini boss room

[placid ingot]

what does the up arrow mean for boon stages with mini bosses? is it just increased rarity?

[polar laurel]

Believe so yes

[vivid flare]

Prophecy stuff

[still pier]

ah that makes more sense

[unborn crypt]

is there anywhere i can see how much power i have currently? and other aggregated stats for my weapons and skills?

[scenic arrow]

Sorry, no

[unborn crypt]

Oh and does anyone know of a good story recap for hades 1? been a while since i played it

[unborn crypt]

damn thats unfortunate

[scenic arrow]

Each attack and special has base power so it's different per move

If you really wanna crunch the numbers, best bet is to check the wiki and see each move's values
Alternatively, you can slap skelly in the training room with no arcana

[polar laurel]

Zagreus has daddy issues and wants to go to Olympus, finds out his mother exists and seeks her out, everyone becomes happy, zag becomes security specialist of the underworld, and nothing bad happens ever again

[unborn crypt]

kind of annoying i'd even have to, but thank you :)

[unborn crypt]

haha this is pretty helpful actually

[polar laurel]

As far as the main plot goes its pretty comprehensive

[native vault]

Finally!

[frail grail]

whats my best use for bones? i have 1,2k and im not sure what to spend it on, i need psyche the most but buying 600 bones worth of psyche sounds.. liek a lot