h2-for-new-players

[sand thicket]

I haven't taken Charon yet this run actually, 404 Gold (but ||spent some at the mini shops||)

[elder bough]

My worldview is shattered

[sand thicket]

Ah- No heaelth q-q

[primal trench]

Yes, but if you enter chaos before a shop room it extends it by one since you need to enter the the pre boss area

[elder bough]

How about Erebus

[eager wraith]

naturally 11
12 including pre-boss room

[primal trench]

All this info is from 1, I don't have enough info from 2

[timid elk]

you can check the boon loadout screen before and after you enter an area to see if the Location # goes up
it's in the upper right hand corner

[elder bough]

Yeah I’m just talking about 1 anyway

[primal trench]

I think hades 2 is weird chamber wise because of ||fields and rift|| structure

[timid elk]

Chaos gates always adds 1 to the room counter

[elder bough]

Yes but I didn’t know the boss was at a set number

[primal trench]

Yeah, but it doesn't always extend the boss counter

It's just a very specific scenario

[timid elk]

i also haven't checked how they add up at ||ephyra||

[primal trench]

Yeah that's why I haven't commented much on the hades 2 part

Will need to do some more testing

[timid elk]

oh yeah, that's why you always take chaos gates if you're doing a speed run in hades 1, right? basically saves you an encounter, same with npc chambers

[eager wraith]

yep unless you're right before the boss in which case it's a timeloss

[gloomy skiff]

it doesn't seem to slow it down enough for me 😐 (I am v bad at video games). Probably just have to die a few more times until my God mode ticks up more 😂

[primal trench]

I'm sorry to hear, it's okay, the game is very punishing early gotta get used to it

[timid elk]

hmm kinda wish we could toggle the room count to always be on, like the version number

[primal trench]

Maybe in the future

[eager wraith]

i think mods did that in hades 1
suggest it in #h2-feedback!

[timid elk]

speaking of which, is there anywhere other than the menu screen to see how many nights in we are?

[eager wraith]

Eventually for sure, at the start I don't think so

[primal trench]

Maybe the ||logkeeper||?

[gloomy skiff]

yeah. I didn't mind until I got to the point where the game seems to really stall because I couldn't get past the first boss and started to get frustrated with it. But that's what god mode is for! Hades I I played through on God Mode, but then once I got the hang of the game I started a new save and didn't use god mode. The game is good in that you can play more for the story if you have less than stellar visual reflexes and hand-eye coordination. Huzzah.

[primal trench]

You don't need to use a new save to turn off god mode just fyi

[gloomy skiff]

yeah but going from 80% damage reduction to 0 was.... a LOT.

[primal trench]

But wouldn't that happen in a new save anyway?

[timid elk]

yeah, i burned through a lot of time last semester learning the ropes to hades. first like non-minecraft game i've played in a long long time

[gloomy skiff]

yeah but it didn't feel as un-fun because I got to play out the story again and unlock stuff so I felt like I was making progress even when dying over and over.

[primal trench]

Fair

[eager wraith]

That's the name of the game with Hades!

[timid elk]

yup, early access is just a different experience. was reading the hades v1.0 notes and they added 3000+ voice lines coming out of EA

[gloomy skiff]

yeah exactly. dying is fun because it still progresses the game.

[primal trench]

As good as the story is, it was never my interest, I'm here for the gameplay, story is a mere bonus

[timid elk]

ah, same but in the opposite direction (story was driving me and i was slogging through the gameplay until I looked up some synergies)

[gloomy skiff]

yeah me too. It's cool that there is such a wide range of appeal imo.

[primal trench]

Like I love the story, do not get me wrong, but if the story wasn't there I would like the game the same

[timid elk]

since it was my first roguelite and non-casual game i didn't know about things like having a good build and synergies or even to look out for boss patterns. i thought i just had to keep trying until i got gud

that's fair, the gameplay is super fun

[primal trench]

I've played so many roguelikes/lites and I've lost track

[timid elk]

my friend got me into gungeon after i started playing hades and that's a game that's less on the meta-progression and more on the gitting gud

[gloomy skiff]

the first one I rage-quit in frustration and never picked up again was rogue 😅 [actually after looking things up I think I got mixed up and it was actually Nethack]

[primal trench]

The classic, one my favorites

The one that started it all

[timid elk]

and it turns out it's on steam, i wouldn't have guessed

[primal trench]

It's ancient

[gloomy skiff]

anyway this is probs off topic

[primal trench]

Haha, a bit

[timid elk]

i consider it a study on gameplay elements

to bring it slightly more on topic, EA has impressed me so much with how everything is so much bigger. I don't think I could've possibly expected all this based off their teaser of "we want it to have about as much content as Hades I's steam EA release"

nethack makes sense, i think i remember hearing how a game inspired by rogue is actually the template for roguelikes

but i guess that just makes it the first rogue-like

[elder bough]

i thought they advertised it as having more content in EA than full hades 1 has

@dense cobalt #h2-feedback message have you tried putting heph on your secondary move? if you main attack for a run try putting it on special

[royal pumice]

No, I'm p sure it was "more content than Hades 1 Steam EA"

[elder bough]

then you have a nice dps boost on top of your main dps

[primal trench]

More content than hades 1 full release

[timid elk]

is there a quick way to reply to messages in a different channels? i've been copy+pasting the name and message link

[elder bough]

I copy message link then manually @ them

[primal trench]

@royal pumice this is from the store page
"Hades II in Early Access already has more environments, foes, and fully-voiced characters than the full version of the original Hades game."

[elder bough]

phew i thought i was going crazy

[timid elk]

ah so i was thinking of this blog post https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/hades-ii-development-update

[royal pumice]

Oh interesting, I remember it focusing on Hades 1 Early Access

[primal trench]

After having done most of the stuff in the game i can safely confirm it is right

[royal pumice]

The tech test video said the same as well

[primal trench]

There's indeed more

[elder bough]

i dont see where in this it says it was more than hades 1's EA

i ctrl f'd hades and early access

[royal pumice]

The reason is, Hades II will have at least as much content from day one in Early Access as the original game did back when it launched in Early Access on Steam.

[elder bough]

oh :) just missed it

[naive stump]

yeah they said that at first
then just went "oh this has around double the content have fun"

[royal pumice]

valid!

[primal trench]

Either way, that one is old, the store page is more recent

Or at least more precise

[royal pumice]

Upstairs was a surprise, I thought it was unlikely, then we saw it in the tech test and|| I was shocked to find out it was available from EA||

[primal trench]

Maybe spoiler that

[plush oar]

splash just feels like a small flat damage bonus compared to the other boons, especially if you dont have slip.

[primal trench]

The begining, not the end, xd

[elder bough]

nah put it on twin blades you'll see

[plush oar]

and i always react to my own comments in feedback lol, i agree with myself

[royal pumice]

Oh lmao, you can see the stairs in the training ground, that's why I don't spoiler it-since it's used to explain the spoiler

[elder bough]

it just inflates the devs' perception at a glance of how many people agree with you you're not supposed to self react

[royal pumice]

I specify ||stairs rather than surface||

[jade narwhal]

Hey, which gods do you guys feel are good on which weapons? Kinda having a hard time making some of them deal good damage. Had the best luck with Sister blades and Moonaxe so far

[timid elk]

oh yes, i definitely remember repeatedly going over whatever info we got as Q2 drew nearer

[plush oar]

hera or apollo on axe attack is good

[royal pumice]

I was saying "we've had this exact convo in here before EA" in my head

[primal trench]

Bur you don't know what they are for

[royal pumice]

I didn't say what they're for, just that there being stairs going up was a surprise

[primal trench]

My b then

[eager wraith]

Post Erebus ||Hera||, spoiler tag!

[timid elk]

I had a good run earlier today with apollo's daze boons and his double attack boon on the artemis sister blades, it kind of surprised me but his secondary boons can be powerful and I love not getting hit. ||If you've got the Origination arcana card unlocked and you're able to boost it||, i highly recommend it because it's not too hard to get two curses going, especially with god keepsakes. the backstab hammer was crucial for the build too

[eager wraith]

Poseidon seems really good on most everything (which is honestly a sign that he's too powerful, so, I'm not fully expecting it to stay that way ) (Same with Hestia being underpowered compared to Poseidon currently, even though she's really fun to run with)

[timid elk]

imagine if hades ii poseidon had razor shoals

[eager wraith]

remind me what that is again?

[jade narwhal]

I guess I worded my message weirdly. I meant I'd like advise on weapons other than sister blades and axe. Like how I make the torches work?

[timid elk]

it's a hades i status effect from poseidon that you need to get as a secondary but its common is something like 10 damge per .2 seconds

[eager wraith]

Ohhhh, Poseidon's hangover! xD

Loved pairing that with hangover to do a double poison type thing

[timid elk]

i didn't really take to the torches, but I've seen people make the staff work with poseidon on the special and the doubleshot hammer

[shell glen]

#h2-feedback message @tiny perch This is actually a reference to a creature you could fish up in Hades 1, the chlam.

[eager wraith]

Torches are a mystery to me unfortunately, but I've heard players make great use of it

[elder bough]

i put poseidon on twin blades

[eager wraith]

If I were in your position, I would consult youtube, but unfortunately that's kind of delving into spoiler-potential territory Sorry for the dissatisfying answer, the torches seem difficult to learn for many

[elder bough]

literally i ran poseidon sprint + many poms and made it 7/8 through the whole final fight only using that

so if you have doubt run cast or sprint boons

[eager wraith]

LMAO

[elder bough]

i have a video...

[timid elk]

I thought the doom torches sounded cool (the attacks linger and explode if hit with the special) but I tried it on skelly and the attacks travel until the end of the room, they don't stop at the enemy

[elder bough]

been wondering if i should upload it but i think ill just unlist it and give in the server

[timid elk]

is the vid of just the final fight? i'd watch it, i don't get to the final room enough to learn any of the attack patterns

[elder bough]

yeah it is

[timid elk]

my main issue with sprint builds is just having enough mana for them

[elder bough]

oh it's not even done with SD lol

[timid elk]

i think you can also put it in the builds channel

[elder bough]

oh true!

well i'll wait till it at least is viewable, oh now it is

wait NO it's the wrong one

oh well you can watch the attacks anyway, here ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPFwI7-Nwq4. ||

(final fight)

the video is not named correctly i guess lmao

[timid elk]

||it's the one that says poseidon says run around and splash"?||

[elder bough]

yeah it's not that run though i guess i dont have that one

this is all omega special projectiles from twin go to the same place hammer, and poseidon on special

[timid elk]

oh that's a good hammer

but it's also nice that the default special can shotgun if you're close enough

[elder bough]

yeah it's plenty for me

so this is 3/4 through the whole fight

[timid elk]

that's pretty good

[elder bough]

yeah first time getting more than 1/2 through

[timid elk]

is it cool if i save it to a playlist to learn the fight?

[elder bough]

sure

[timid elk]

thanks

[naive stump]

Have you ever heard of this boon called ||bor-||

Wait doesn't work as well in this channel damn it

[timid elk]

oh my god tell me about our lady and savior ||hera||

[naive stump]

||hera's gain boon solves any mp issue lmao, rarity+ pom or a few mana upgrades and is pretty much infinite mp (when reaching 0 mp, refill to full except a small amount is primed)||

[elder bough]

i just run apollo or that or poseidon gain and all is well

[eager wraith]

||is the title referring to an actual line?||

[elder bough]

nah lol

[eager wraith]

[elder bough]

i wish. he would

im gonna swap the title now

cya guys i gotta go

[lilac cairn]

If I wanted to react to a patch and say something is much improved, where would I post that? It doesn't seem like there's a place for non-issue feedback?

[eager wraith]

Oh positive feedback is still feedback! It's just that it's less actionable, so is rarer to see in the #h2-feedback channel overall

[glacial sage]

to be fair Hades 2 slaps so much that I can't think of any positive feedback I wanna say that hasn't already been said by people with more time and progress than me

It's Hades, But This Time It's More Hades and the iterations that give it an identity separate from the original are a delight

[pastel sundial]

Should the "In the Name of Hades, Olympus, I accept this message" line be said when picking up a pom? Saw it happen on a triple pom pick up in Tartarus.

[primal trench]

People in general are more prompted to complain about bad things, because the ones with good feedback are too busy enjoying the game

[primal trench]

I don't think so, that's not a message, is just a pomegranate, maybe report it if it happens again

[glacial sage]

When I think of Feedback for a game in early access, I think that the developers are looking for suggestions on changes to make the game better. That, plus the idea that I shouldn't post more than one feedback at a time, makes me feel kinda anxious to think about filling it with praise.

Maybe we could use a separate channel for complimenting the current state of the game? idk, maybe I'm missing the point here

"I like this, can we get more of this please?" is good feedback except that it risks being a proposal for Scope Creep and even a little bit of Scope Creep is not something I wanna wish on a game thats already as good and Full Of Good Things as Hades 2 sd;onvbfeiogvhreioghreoifdgh

[lapis blade]

I've encountered some similar out of sequence/inappropriate voice lines and reported those with F10

[elder bough]

if they see praise for a certain aspect of a game consistently they will go ah nice it's going well there and move on

it's still useful!

[primal trench]

If people aren't complaining about something it means is working fine. So they can focus on the what needs changing. Positive feedback here and there def lights up the mood

[elder bough]

@scarlet prism #h2-feedback message i cant believe 36 people reacted to this, does nobody know you can enter a room and immediately save and quit 😭

as long as you havent viewed rng-dependent outcomes (with a few exceptions) or taken damage you can do it

[primal trench]

Tbh that's not explained anywhere in the game

[timid elk]

the little save icon can be hard to notice

[primal trench]

We know is a save icon, but it could easily just be a loading icon, not saving included

[paper barn]

its kinda insane that i slept on the omega dual daggers attack. im out here dealing 600 damage a charge

[primal trench]

Only 600? I still remember haelian doing 3k, love daggers

[naive stump]

yeah blades can get crazy

[scarlet prism]

honestly i didn't try, but given the language that said you have to clear the encounter to quit, i would've assumed it's not intended to be able to immediately save and quit in the next room...

either way, with 36 people reacting, clearly something is not intuitive

[elder bough]

i agree it isnt

but just watch for the save icon in the right corner, and just quit right away, before you interact with things.

general rule

you would have been able to quit in that room actually, when you entered.

[primal trench]

Yeah is def not the clearest system, could use some working, maybe a tool tip early on

[scarlet prism]

fair -- either way though, the fact that you CAN'T quit in the fountain room should not happen

[elder bough]

it makes sense to lock you out after you reroll anything or choose a charon well random item

other than that it doesnt, and i believe you could always quit as ive described in 1. i dont know if ive noticed any difference in 2 tbh

like you can grab the fountain, change keepsakes, buy a set charon item, and quit after in 1 i think

[scarlet prism]

i mean, it could just do a save every time you choose a well item, drink from the fountain, or choose a keepsake? and then you can't reroll it on a quit

[elder bough]

and itd put you at the start of the room again.

[scarlet prism]

if a lock out is purposeful though, i'd suggest they at least change the language for quitting where it says you can't quit because of an encounter -- that's obviously the wrong language

[elder bough]

i agree it should be clear what locks you out of quitting safely. it's pretty basic rules but it just says an encounter which is confusing

[zenith frigate]

I always find the lack of double dash complaint odd. I find the dash in this game to be way more fun than the original game. The original game basically devolved into me spamming dash all the time. The single dash makes me have to think a lot more about what I'm doing because I can't just invincibility frame my way through everything by just spamming the button.

[sacred agate]

Yeah I agree. I was worried at first but after going back to the first game a couple days ago on my original save it solidified that I prefer the change to a single dash with sprint. It feels more interesting than i framing through everything like you mentioned. The combat becomes more engaging when you have to consider your positioning.

[worldly pulsar]

Imo double dash was more about rapid positioning and spacing along with dash strikes

[zenith frigate]

I will be honestly kinda disappointed if they decide to make the double dash basekit because of the complaints. If there's like a double dash boon or tarot or something, then that would be fine, I just want it to not be basekit.

[zenith frigate]

Yeah but it's also way too easy to spam dash and dash strikes, because that's what I did most of Hades 1 on the close range weapons.

[valid depot]

i miss tidal dash my beloved every day of my life but cast (esp with damage boons) getting me to stand still and do damage to enemies near me and also hit from range with the weapon is so much fun

[zenith frigate]

The cast is so good in this game. I always sorta felt the cast in the original game was pretty ineffectual most of the time outside of certain builds, so my strategy would mostly be "shoot it to lodge it in the boss and deal a bit of extra damage". The new Cast has a lot more utility, which I like a lot.

[dense cobalt]

I did enjoy hermes extra dashes and dio or poseidon dash builds where I kinda ignored my weapon in favor of skipping around the field. It was a nice departure from the various weapon builds

[sacred agate]

The cast is awesome. I prefer the set it and forget it design in this game over the first

[primal trench]

People just wanna be permanently invincible instead of actually having to position themselves correctly

Which is fine, if something is really easy, and it becomes hard people are going to complain about ut

[elder bough]

it was never base in hades 1 i dont see how they could be convinced to make it base in 2

[primal trench]

I'm fine if they add double dash, I'm just not going to use it, just like I never used it on hades 1

[elder bough]

@zenith lichen #h2-feedback message report with f10 in-game

[elder bough]

@crystal pier #h2-feedback message u 2

[crystal pier]

maaaah too lazy lmao
f10 is annoying on steam deck

[elder bough]

fair

[primal trench]

Then might as well not post it, the sticky message says message not following the rules will be deleted

[elder bough]

yeah

[crystal pier]

alr ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tiny elk]

I love the new cast, it's big brain

[drowsy jackal]

I read that as “I love the new cat it’s big brain” and I was like

Cats?
Big brain?
They tend to have like… two brain cells
To share

[primal trench]

||Toula|| has one

[drowsy jackal]

Eh - sometimes
On a full moon

Btw - it’s frinos Friday and I hope that’s your familiar today

[tiny elk]

What's Toula's day?

[plush oar]

always frinos, toula kinda sucks rn

only useful for the death defiance

[primal trench]

I love toula

[drowsy jackal]

Tuesday

[plush oar]

i love her, im just dissapointed in her /s

[primal trench]

Idc what they do, I just like pets

[drowsy jackal]

Toula should be a dedicated rat killing tool for zone 4

[fiery oriole]

There's special dialogue when facing ||Uh Oh|| with Toula

[rose comet]

Hmmm... I found Hermes and he relied a message to me that torns me apart with indecision... ||It seems they need me in Olympus, and some dialogs seem to imply that clearing my way into Olympus first would be helpful to defeat Chronos, but I'm not usre if it's meaning it in a "end of the game" sort of help or if it would be helpful to take him down for the first (and, I assume, subsequential) time... So, the question is... should I help Olympus even if I haven't beaten up Chronos even once?||

[thick birch]

The order you do things in is more or less up to you... But you will soon start seeing several upgrades (rituals, arcana, etc) that need ingredients you don't have.

I'm sure some players managed to kill the boss without them, but I suck, and any bonus is welcome, and... Yeah ||those resources are on the surface.||

[cosmic zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1240978049512505374/image.png?ex=6648865f&is=664734df&hm=4a77c2e0e5b92ba0f00d6231cea00f121acafd327462aff74ebd5316601a2fe4&

JUST BOUGHT HADES 2🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[next egret]

Lets gooo

[thick birch]

The dialogue with the NPCs will show their reaction to your choices, but generally speaking, if you CAN do it, then it's probably not a bad choice (regardless of what the dialogue says). I don't think there are any "choose X and you are barred from outcome Y" choices in Hades. Maybe you get to Y later, or you need to grind a bit more (like, say, ||selling some titan blood|| in Hades 1).

[hazy umbra]

have fun!

[cosmic zenith]

Thanks

[woven sparrow]

Good luck! Death to Chronos

[rose comet]

So, the message was more a suggestion than an obligation. Good to know. Thanks, I was concerned about it for no reason at all

[cosmic zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1240982279820410900/image.png?ex=66488a4f&is=664738cf&hm=f800c4d7439003a7d66a4684895bda21ab24cc638c27e6c55f588a06199089d0&

...how is she somehow even more naked?

Not that I'm complaining

Also, is the circle thing like the cast in the last game? Meaning, do I have it with every weapon?

[naive stump]

Yeah

[cold jackal]

yeah it stays

[cosmic zenith]

Ok thanks

[ocean gate]

Aphrodite being more naked with more clothes is so funny ngl

[nova parcel]

how do you play with the torches? it's so wonky for me

[cold jackal]

Hestia or poseidon on either attack or special

Spam the on you have boons for

[nova parcel]

so the main way to attack is by normal attacks (little flame thingy)?

[neat iris]

on normal torches with no aspect spamming the special is a lot better than the attack

but they don't get staggered so something like demeter on your cast to freeze enemies helps

[nova parcel]

aah i see ok

thanks for the tip, ive been trying with the torch but its very difficult

my most successful run is carried by the zeus omega cast boon lmao

my most successful torch run I mean

then again the zeus omega cast boon is OP imho

[timid lagoon]

his and Demeter's casts are my favourite

[elder bough]

Demeter cast go crazy

[elder bough]

@wild jacinth #h2-feedback message hades sits

[wild jacinth]

does he? i always interpreted him as standing behind his desk

regardless, zag and mel don't sit, so point still stands

[torn barn]

I really wish I could pet Frinos mid-run 😦

[elder bough]

that would be funny

[potent badge]

if I sit down I won’t get back up

[elder bough]

@charred inlet the keepsake art is in progress, it will be easier when the actual art is in. #h2-feedback message

[charred inlet]

Oh yes I'm aware but I think it's still a nice qol increase once it's finalized

[elder bough]

Ah ok

[elder bough]

@pseudo nova #h2-feedback message the whole point of the card is you get to charge omegas with almost no startup relative to the enemy’s perception, and the same startup in real-time. Fairly sure any perception of it actually taking longer to charge as you look at the screen is in your head. Also reacting to your own feedback is not helpful, just deceptive

[late abyss]

when selecting tools after patch 1 i've noticed they make little sound effects, was that a thing before?

[elder bough]

I actually don’t remember

[late abyss]

like selecting multiple tools in quick succession makes a cute song

[pseudo nova]

Yeah i'm completely aware of that - the fact is, when you spam specials and don't push the special button too long, it still triggers a slight slowdown

it's very noticeable when you have a lot of mobs on the screen and they start to... hmm, stutterstep towards you

i'm not using a lot of charged attacks/specials/casts at all - so this shouldn't trigger on this certain playstyle

it even triggers the slowdown when you're out of manas

[eager wraith]

this probably isn't intentional because it's inconsistent

[eager wraith]

this probably is intentional because it allows you safety while you realize you're out of mana (could be altered for the sake of difficulty, shouldn't be altered to fix the aforementioned flashing-slowdown bug)

[pseudo nova]

yeah it's not a big thing, i just was under the impression that, as long as you spam attacks/specials - this specific buff/arcana shouldn't be triggered

[eager wraith]

on which we agree, ideally if you're intending to just use basic special the correct feedback would be no slowdown, i'm just clarifying that it's a bug (and i hope that it is fixed)

[final obsidian]

any talk on if the aspects plan to get better? in 1 they most of the time were an entirely new weapon, here you get a flat +4% crit chance basically lol

[naive stump]

isn't that just nemesis aspect

[wise locust]

the unupgraded ones aren't really that special

but once you have a few levels you realise Momos is OP as hell see how they differ

[naive stump]

Fwiw I do feel kinda eh on some of them, just poking fun at the one aspect you took was the same as in H1

Eos torches are interesting

[wise locust]

Sadly the Moros Torches aren't

attacks getting in the way of each other...

[snow nimbus]

yeah, and once they stack up you can't float away far enough between shots to even get them firing

[lapis blade]

I have gotten a card that was utterly useless (+2 re-rolls without any of the cards allowing re-roll active) so it seems pretty luck of the draw at the moment. I also randomly got Judgment card (I think that's the one) pulled after defeating the first guardian so I ended the run with nearly a full deck of cards active

[snow nimbus]

with Moros torches you can fill the area with lots of shots to burst later though.

[naive stump]

Also did h1 aspects really changed thaaat much the weapons?

Most of them were to use as cast builds/strengthen one part of the weapon(zeus shield/hestia/chiron were unique tho I give you that)

Pan blades is also chiron but better but ig there's also feedback in repeating concepts, even if they feel better

[wise locust]

the weapons do more generally because of the charge up system

[eager wraith]

In my experience they disappear too quickly for me to do this, but I've only ran it once so I'm not sure on the whole

[zenith torrent]

@ripe veldt oh coincidentally also wrote about the book of shadows. I was trying to figure out who wrote it tbh. The first one was Achilles. The second is thought would be hecate but like…the descriptions don’t really sound like her?

[eager wraith]

I think the issue with the aspects all being revealed at once is that if they change something it could have been someone's favorite, lots of dev struggles, i hope the team is doing well

[snow nimbus]

They don't persist too long, but between enemy spawns / boss invulns is possible

[naive stump]

There's been a lot of discussion about who wrote it
Is hard to know cuz some are super specific (Mel's entry) or more general

[eager wraith]

I thought it was clear it was Mel addressing it to herself is it not?

[zenith torrent]

Honestly that actually makes sense cause i was wondering who called her weak

self-dis feels very her

[royal pumice]

||It refers to itself as 'we' sometimes so I thought |maybe the fates?|| but kind of unlikely as well

[vagrant finch]

All we know is it’s co written by at least Hecate

There’s some dialogue from Hecate saying some of it is her teachings but not all of them are hers

[elder bough]

Yeah this is a different issue I think

@flint hollow ||spoiler text ||

2 || not 1 |

[indigo willow]

@brittle light to respond to your issue in Feedback, that cast deals damage to enemies as they spawn. Any enemy already in the fight when you lay down the cast will not be hit by it.

[naive stump]

@mortal shuttle re: no arcana prophecy I think it should still count even if queen is activated ||cuz judgement at least doesn't count it as one of the 3 cards||
There's also ||the fear vow that disables all cards||

[eager wraith]

||Hera|| is post-Erebus, spoiler tag!

[indigo willow]

Reworded, sorry!

[mortal shuttle]

Ah good to know, thanks!

[eager wraith]

No worries! Thanks for clarifying it for them, I've yet to use that boon myself

[indigo willow]

Also also, you can get the prophecy by ||doing the Chaos trial that makes you clear Erebus with no upgrades. Still counts even though it's not a "real" run!||

[cosmic zenith]

Does thw book of shadows not show how much affinity you have with someone anymore?

Also, does it not have the list of boons for the olympic gods?

[naive stump]

Both are incantations
The list requiring ||all god keepsakes, including certain someone upstairs||

The materials are also quite expensive so feel free to feedback that ||x4 poppies spade in tart, 2 ambrosia and 1 golden apple, which is from the 2nd surface boss||

[eager wraith]

The unfortunate thing is that the recipe makes a lot of sense, despite its high cost

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, ok

Didn't even beat chronos yeat so there's some time till I have that

[naive stump]

The price still baffles me when compared to H1 lmao

[nova yew]

Don't read the spoiler if you like the game ||why do you dislike the game?||

[cosmic zenith]

... I always feel so tempted by spoiler things

But I won't click it

[hollow marsh]

Which ||"someone upstairs"? Hera?||

[naive stump]

Yeah

[mortal shuttle]

Yeah I think this is how I'm gonna do it - thanks for the reminder that that counts!

[chrome wave]

Is it possible to find the (major spoiler) ||Three Fates right now or is that limited by early access? Just a yes or no please||

[naive stump]

No

[misty helm]

who else is with me that new Chaos design is peak

[royal pumice]

With (weapon) ||Aspect of Artemis, is the parry automatic?||

[chrome wave]

if you get hit, yes.

[royal pumice]

Noice

[eager wraith]

||Do note that I think (unless they hotfixed it) sometimes dodge chance* gets in the way||

[jagged heron]

I like it but his last design was cold, it feels like a new character now

[misty helm]

the new drip is insane

[eager wraith]

the primordial originator does not go by 'him'

but yes the drip is pretty good, to me it represents them sort of wanting to dip into mortal stylings after gaining an interest for it with Zagreus

[royal pumice]

I see

[eager wraith]

||dodge chance* not 'change', oops ||

[royal pumice]

No worries that's how I read it!

[weak grail]

Is my game messed up or did the patch bug controller menu manipulation? Can’t scroll through my boons anymore while on a run, unable to scroll through other lists, etc.

[urban knoll]

when the game fully releases, will your save file on early access reset? does anyone know

[royal pumice]

It's v unlikely for it to reset

[urban knoll]

ooh thank god, i had that thought after grinding and my heart sank for a sec

[royal pumice]

try #h2-tech-support

[lilac ether]

so. does ||Godzilla|| appear in this game

[primal trench]

So as it stands, the devs said they will try to have it not reset, however is not guaranteed

[primal trench]

Meme or real question?

[lilac ether]

what do you think

[primal trench]

I don't know what to think, people come with such questionable stuff I've refrained from thinking and take everyone serious

[scarlet prism]

this has definitely happened to me too. i already reported it yesterday in-game via F10

[misty tangle]

So Specials with the twin blades are ridiculously overpowered with the right boons

[zenith torrent]

Isn’t that pretty much every technique?

[elder bough]

No lol

Some things take too much rng to make powerful and even then they are just competitive and not ridiculous

@exotic relic #h2-feedback message they are in development it is a placeholder

[exotic relic]

gotcha thx

[supple coral]

It's the sheer consistency of Special builds on that thing - there's just so many Hammers that buff it.

Explosive Ambush builds + Skulking Slice might have the higher ceiling, but Special spam really is the way to go if you're looking for a consistent win.

[misty tangle]

Anything that increases specials damage combined with the hammer that makes them fly back to you? Oh, that’s beautiful

Problem is, it requires a ridiculous amount of magic regen to consistently be usable

[supple coral]

Oh yeah, no doubt

Unless you take the hammer that basically makes mana cost almost moot

[chrome adder]

or get lucky with ||chaos||

[drowsy ice]

anyone know if aphrodite attack boon is incompatible with the knives

i tried to get it all run and never got it so my run died (why do i have a 7 hour slow mode?!!?!?!??)

[supple coral]

It works with the knives - i think you're just unlucky

Though, as mentioned above, I'm preferring Special builds. Poseidon's pretty good for those, though the goal would probably be Aphro special + Aphro/Poseidon Duo

[primal trench]

[drowsy ice]

really??? i found the only way for me to use special was to put hephaestus on it and still only use it as a backup/cc kinda damage

maybe i should try that out

[supple coral]

Well, it's moreso Omega special builds, but it's pretty much basically the same kind of stuff you'd do for Bow specials from Hades 1

[manic heath]

did the patch make my companion upgrade to get more resources useless?

[supple coral]

Companion upgrades will make resource deposits of the given type more common

[manic heath]

ok thanks

[lapis blade]

Also it does provide the benefit of immediately Doing The Thing. that tablet thing is not my favorite minigame ever

[supple coral]

Really annoying at higher levels. Happy Frinos has let me skip most of that during the Grasp grind

[manic heath]

what's the max grasp?

[supple coral]

||30||

[kindred blade]

tablet mini-game only exists to make frinos best pet

[primal trench]

That implies ||frinos is not the best pet without|| which is incorrect

[edgy flower]

is there a way to dodge ||cerberus's attack that does 39 damage in one hit and gives you momentary invincibility after? || (area 3 question)

[final obsidian]

which one we talking about, the stomp?

[final obsidian]

never occured to me before, but what happens once you do max it out? does psyche still appear as an encounter outcome even though it literally has no use anymore? is it replaced?

[long anvil]

I've played 27 hours and just now saw my first Trial of the Gods chamber. Was this sneakily added in the patch yesterday, or have I just had weird luck?

[stuck chasm]

I saw one before the patch. They’re rare at the start.

[edgy flower]

i don't think so unless there's a big vs little stomp. it's something after he does some kind of charge up that i'm usually too far away to see the telegraph

[edgy flower]

i realize this is super unclear sorry. guess i need to just keep doing runs

[rose comet]

4th zone Boss || still stumped with that stupid sythe spinning attack. It's not only that It covers a huge area, but it is one of his fastest attacks, with almost no build-up to react to It before It happens. Although I have seen a glimmer of hope. Maybe It is just my brain being dumb, but does the attacks always follow the same "fly pattern"? Because I got the feeling It always spins clockwise. Is that right? Because that info would be huge||

[pulsar blade]

the most reliable way i’ve found to dodge it is dashing behind him, tho you can just iframe it as well

but just making the bosses try to turn endlessly is a time tested strategy anyway

Mr 4th zone boss dominates the midrange, you either wanna be in his face or as far away as possible in my experience

which is fitting since he wields a ||scythe||

[rose comet]

The thing is that you need to stay close to make damage, I know no way to make damage while staying far away from their range

[rose comet]

Also, while this is true, it is ||a Time tested strategy?||

[dire stirrup]

Frinos is the best one either way, cause Frinos actively tries to help in a fight. Toula just goes to sleep very far from where we are, so it’s a hassle trying to find her. I’ve never managed to get Toula to actually damage the enemy once lol

[late abyss]

i managed to beat this boss for the first time yesterday and i have to say a particular boon from ||hermes that slows down projectiles|| makes it way easier to deal with that attack so maybe you could focus on that particular god for a run. along the same lines, another god has a similar boon which is ||hestias soot sprint|| and kinda causes ||projectiles to dissipate when you sprint into them and inflict scorch on the enemy||. havent tried it myself yet but since that attack ||counts as a projectile||, it might also work!

[rose comet]

That would be MASSIVE and BUSTED if it works, I am gonna give it a shot if I have the chance

[late abyss]

i cant remember if the first boon is from ||hermes|| or ||demeter|| actually but i'll try find out for you

[rose comet]

I think is ||hermes||, I recall seeing that among that god's boons

[hardy tartan]

||you can also use the axe special to delete the projectile||

[rose comet]

That is useful as well, thanks

[rose comet]

More things about the 4th zone Boss ||I did had the chance to try exactly that (didn't have luck with the boons in this run to try the other stuff mentioned by kurisu above) and also works for the projectile that takes a long ass time to prepare (time better used attacking him). I finally depleted his life bar for the first time... but it had a second phase. Of FRIKKING course it had to have a second phase. And while it pummeled me around until I figured out what every attack did and whatnot, I had no chances to revive anymore. In the end, I was caught in the crossfires when he invoques sandclocks. The slow axe got me locked in place at a bad moment and I got trapped in a time bubble, meaning my doom. But hey, I got pretty far this time and the sythe seems to be thrown consistently clockwise, regardless of the way he is facing, so at the very least I know where the thing is gonna go when it comes out||

[wise locust]

of course it gets thrown that way

[primal trench]

When did you unlock hera

[lapis blade]

I just got my first Trial of the Gods yesterday as well. I had unlocked ||Hera|| a long time ago.

[long anvil]

Probably when I got to the surface for the first time. Is that scripted? So. Maybe like 15 hours in, but I don't remember exactly.

Sounds like I'm not the only one to see it show up later. Bit of a bummer, but no problem

[edgy flower]

sounds like a cat tbh. perfectly tuned 10/10

[royal pumice]

I have a question, (upstairs event) ||I see a lot of people mention Circe, is Circe and Medea available upstairs, because I've only met Medea||

[naive stump]

||circe is the npc room of the 2nd biome||

[royal pumice]

Ohhhh rooom, I got that mixed up with ||Icarus, I don't know why I assumed he was the room even though that's not how the mechanic works ||

[primal trench]

||Icarus is basically artemis||

Oop

[royal pumice]

Yeah, I think it clicked initially but then I just assumed ||there wasn't a second area person, for whatever reason||

[rose comet]

Yeah, the irony of that isn't lost on me

[stiff hawk]

Has Nyx ever mentioned how come she gave birth to so many negative forces, and so few positive ones?

[rose comet]

Not in-lore, but people tends to asociate the night with bad things, and the mythology... is made by people

[thick birch]

Bad things go bump in the Night

[torpid berry]

yo i just bought a new monitor, does this game have support 21:9

[sharp girder]

It does. Works flawlessly on my 34"

Havent run into any issues on 3440x1440p yet

[exotic relic]

30

[elder bough]

@brisk saddle #h2-feedback message copy link from another server and paste here

[brisk saddle]

ah okay ty

eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

it worked, ty

[primal trench]

Stay behind her

Also spoiler

[dense knoll]

oh

sorry my bad

how do you add ||spoiler tags||

||fff||

nvm got it sorry to waste your time

[eager wraith]

you should edit the message with the spoiler to add in the spoiler tag @dense knoll

[stiff hawk]

(surface boss spoilers ||eris|| fight feels like it could use some fine tuning imo

||it def feels unfinished to me||

but thats to be expected cuz early access duh

[eager wraith]

||? in what way?||

[stiff hawk]

||the fight doesnt feel very interactive, at present. the way she just dumps out damage while often standing in fire makes the fight feel rlly unfun if you're not using a weapon with decent range||

i hope im articulating this in a way thatsssss understandable

stinky is a wild descriptor idk what i was saying there, im realizing how disrespectful that sounds :C

[eager wraith]

hmmm ||i havent ran into that problem yet, the fire hasn't gotten in my way much so far, moreso just her herself, which to me has made the boss feel pretty consistent and energetic less 'unfinished' moreso 'needs some tuning' which like you said indeed is most things early access||

[stiff hawk]

its better to say the fight currently doesnt feel as good as i believe it could. esp with how well designed most of the other bossed are

[stiff hawk]

yes, this fits my thoughts better

[raven parrot]

should I play rn

[stiff hawk]

yes

[remote pasture]

@karmic badge Hey! Please reply to feedback in a different channel, like this one or #h2-discussion

[karmic badge]

damn i see so many people do that apologies

[remote pasture]

@dense oriole Hey! Please reply to feedback in a different channel, like this one or #h2-discussion

[dense oriole]

oh my bad

[rigid turtle]

Uhhh 😬 who’s the voice actor for || Hecate|| I absolutely love her if it’s who I think it is?!

[hazy ruin]

||Amelia Tyler|| iirc

[rigid turtle]

I thought so I loved her in bg3 as the narrator but I’m always a sucker for a smooth voice 😅

[hazy ruin]

I’m pretty good at guessing voice actors (I have an uncanny ability to spot Todd Haberkorn) but even I was like “…no way. there’s no way in hades they managed to get the Dungeon Master” for a little while

[rigid turtle]

I get that I’m excited to see where the rest of the story goes from here

[hazy ruin]

I’m waiting for ||Chronos pause changes|| to truly lock in on the story haha I’ve almost cleared the third Underworld area boss

As a narrative designer im also excited to see where the story goes !!!!! I loved the systems design for narrative delivery in Hades I and hope it’s up to par when Hades II 1.0 releases

[stiff hawk]

kicks rock

[bright stone]

Hi! Not sure if this is the right venue for this q, feel free to point me to a different channel if need be. Does anyone know, for the boon ||Bridal Glow||, does the rarity of the affected boons ||degrade all the way to common even if it was originally rare or epic? Or does it only lose Rarity up to its original Rarity?||

[deep hinge]

pretty sure it degrades all the way to common which is why it's best to take it at the end of a run if possible

[bright stone]

Ah gotcha, thanks! Yeah makes sense, it would have changed my run strat if it worked the other way haha

[stiff hawk]

Is there a place to view your known weapon upgrades from the hammer blessing in the maps? ||Does the fated list describe to you what each upgrade is?||

How do you view the log in the crossroads?

[primal trench]

its also decent if your boons are already common, gives you a nice boost for a couple of chambers

[stiff hawk]

I think my favorite "fun" fight is the one where you're "Clutching your pearls"

[rose comet]

Excuse me, that sounded... weird, can you elaborate?

[primal trench]

yeah im not sure i follow

[hearty tendon]

Dpad right to open inventory, then the last tab should be log.

[slender anvil]

Hello

[primal trench]

Hi

[swift harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n59gJshv6Q

Let me kinda show you a lesser know lets player who does Hades 2 and imo deserves far more views. She also played Hades 1 100%.

[rose comet]

Finally beaten the boss of the 4th zone. I had a very good run, had all my health and revives ready and was doing lots of damage using as my weapon for it||the Flames, its Special with Aphrodite boon, powered up to HEROIC rarity thanks to another Demeter boon, that boosted the rarity of it over time||

[tired pasture]

hey uhh can we ||find the fates|| in the current version of the game or are we awaiting for that to be added to the game?

[bronze zephyr]

So, I recently did the recipe to ||bond with a familiar for the first time|| which was great; ||Frinos|| is awesome... but I want more? Apparently I need to make more ||Witch's Delight|| in the cauldron, but that requires a recipe that I don't have. Is this a bug that it's not appearing, or is there more stuff I have to do in order to uncover the recipe?

[brittle sky]

It'll happen. Just happened to me. It takes some time, dont know if it is time based or progress based

without spoiling the story, do we find out what happened to Melinoe's arm and Leg?

[eager wraith]

||story, waiting||

[eager wraith]

(Doesn't spoil the story but I'd imagine some people don't want even a yes or no for this kind of thing): ||Kind of! The arm is talked about in currently implemented dialog ||

[brittle sky]

thanks

[tidal basin]

finally beat my first run lfgggg

its 5:21 am now i stayed up too late for this good night

[solar fractal]

hey, please post that in #self-promotion instead, even if its not yours.

[elder bough]

spoilering the character that appears seconds into the trailer and whom you meet about 15 minutes max into the game is crazy 😆

[royal pumice]

I think they mean ||Scylla||

[rose comet]

Oh, so winning the battle barely alive?

[royal pumice]

although the only boss that made me "clutch my pearls" is the third boss

[primal trench]

i used to "clutch my pearls" with all of them, now they all a joke

[royal pumice]

Oh I didn't mean difficulty-wise I meant like shock

[primal trench]

a, shock, yeah 3, and ||second above||

[royal pumice]

True! But I was spoiled on that

difficulty-wise I think the main trouble for me is the final boss and ||second upstairs miniboss, for whatever reason||

[hallow monolith]

you mean the ||Kraken || thing?

[royal pumice]

yeah lmao

[hallow monolith]

yea it can be very annoying sometimes

[primal trench]

honestly the hardest boss for me was ||poly|| not even the final boss

[royal pumice]

I do have a question about that, is there like a system like in Hades 1 where the bosses get 'upgrades'? Because ||Polyphemus' sheep all of a sudden became a threat||

I haven't beaten the final boss which is why I'm confused

[naive stump]

||the sheep are more like meg sisters showing up or lernie's different heads, different sheep = different effect||

[royal pumice]

Yeah that's what I meant, not em but the little changes-I was surprised since usually it's triggered by beating the final boss in Hades 1, but I haven't done that yet in 2

[naive stump]

||there's white sheep = poly eats for hp/black sheep = kaboom/green = rams into you, spawn of hell/golden = blocks magic and projectiles||

[naive stump]

Triggers weren't done by beating dad, but beating the boss constantly

[royal pumice]

Really? Interesting

[naive stump]

Reaching dad triggers Dem to appear and the grabby hands/sneak miniboss to appear tho

[royal pumice]

I wonder if for Hades 2 1.0 we'll get a Demeter-esque god

[rose comet]

Uh... We already kinda do?

[naive stump]

||probably when we reach olympus? Although hera already needs you to reach the surface||

[rose comet]

That's what I was taking about

[primal trench]

what does this mean?

[elder bough]

first win!

[naive stump]

God that appears post meeting the final boss (like Dem in h1)

[primal trench]

that already sort of exists, ish ||hera||

[royal pumice]

||Hera fits I thought it'd be funny if Ares finally pauses from having a whirl of fun in Olympus after you put a dent in Chronos for the first time||

[rose comet]

I got mine today too, congrats. It does feel SO GOOD

Btw, it's just me or you always end up having a lot less health than you did on the first game?

[hallow monolith]

you get a lot more max health from centaur hearts though

[naive stump]

You get the same hp from them

[rose comet]

Yeah, still 25

[hallow monolith]

my bad

[royal pumice]

I realized I was doing something wrong when streamers were doing runs heading into the last area with 175+ health and I was running with like 125 max, but generally I find myself not running for centaur hearts as much in this game (so yeah, I have that experience too)

[cloud hatch]

Is the sound design in the training area known to be buggy (might just be my headphones)

[naive stump]

Tbh I think it varies wildly
||Cuz tartarus double hearts help a lot||
Or Heph's +hp based on mana limit

[royal pumice]

Not buggy for me

[rose comet]

I love that boon, the only way to go consisrently over 200

[naive stump]

Something like dem's "hp when gathering by hand/spade" is also nice
Or a good chaos's soul boon

[royal pumice]

I also haven't heard people mention it in #h2-tech-support but you should F10 it in any case

[cloud hatch]

I fiddled with the settings and it seems to have fixed itself

[rose comet]

That only gives 5 per seed, does it? Seems just too little to actually matter

[naive stump]

It adds up, just get lucky
Also the flowers you can pick also count

[royal pumice]

You get 2 seeds per shovel right?

[primal trench]

with the upgrade, i think so

[naive stump]

Unless is the (technically post erebus ig?) ||chaos one, but that gives 2 per harvest||

[rose comet]

Maybe I'm just getting little luck with the seed apprarances, I have never been able to gather a lot

[naive stump]

The upgrade gives you the gyros sometimes I think, pretty sure is 2 by default

[rose comet]

Still, you should get It early to be impactful. And at that point you would be prioritizing setting up something to not be screwed on the second zone, since there is where trouble starts to arise

[royal pumice]

I was about to say that, yeah, but I imagine with the recent patch, it makes it a bit easier

since carrying that item makes more of the thingy spawn

So just rng /j

[rose comet]

Haven't seen a lot of changes in resources spawns in that regard

[naive stump]

You can also get a bit more by having the centaur active along with ||frinos (are companions spoiler actually? Prob not)||

[rose comet]

They are post Erebus, therefore are spoilers

[naive stump]

Are they?
The incantation is given by hec (unless I'm forgetting material costs)

[rose comet]

I should check, but the materials surely are from post Erebus

[naive stump]

Prob just nice to mark anyways

[rose comet]

Dang, can't check materials if already done incantantations

[royal pumice]

This reminds me, I need ||driftwood ||and all of a sudden I can't get past ||Poly|| he's gating my ||bathhouse trip, I've never been more tilted||

[primal trench]

i got a gyros before the upgrade

[royal pumice]

I'd have to check but I don't think I've upgraded my spade

[primal trench]

maybe upgrading increases the chances of digging other stufff?

[primal trench]

And the worst thing, even after you beat him, dwood has a horrible spawn rate, the patch feels like it did nothing

It has no reason to be as rare as it is

Given how necessary it is too

[royal pumice]

Also can confirm upgrading increases the chance of more valuable (rarer?) items

[primal trench]

Increased chance makes sense, but I did get heals pre upgraded

[naive stump]

Whos burrowing those gyros anyways

[primal trench]

Also we don't know the exact definition of "more valuable" or whatever the description says

[primal trench]

Obviously cerb

He's stealing them from charon, makes sense why are never in the shop

[ivory beacon]

my game is version V0.90592 so is this version without new patch? idc why its not updated

[rigid turtle]

I didn’t watch the trailer lol cause I didn’t want any of the characters spoiled I was using the server for the early access release date 😅

[elder bough]

that's respectable but still very funny

[royal pumice]

Ngl the (upstairs) ||green sheep are the hardest part of the poly fight||

Running torches and I struggle to hit them every time

[naive stump]

Told you, spawn of hell they are

[royal pumice]

If I don't see ||driftwood|| on this run I'm gonna sob

Oh my god I got it in the charon shop before the boss

[stiff hawk]

I supergiant planning on releasing the entire Greek Pantheon as far as major gods and goddesses go?

[drowsy jackal]

quick question about zeu's boons

"static shock" says it's gonna make my strikes emit chain lighting

does that mean only my standard attacks or specials and omega specials too ?

[naive stump]

Strikes includes everything yeah

Also easier to check is if it shows up the tooltip for the specific move to the right

[kindred blade]

i think strike is any weapon attack

[junior iron]

test

[sleek cloak]

I have 1 guaranteed driftwood after patch

[kindred blade]

hmmm strike is not a keyword and it is used in different contexts. A posiden boon specifically says weapon strikes. So maybe strike is any non dot damage and probably excludes chain-lighting itself.

zeus’s air quality boon also has a skill fact using the term “hit” in think that one means literally anything

[drowsy jackal]

yeah it didn't show up anything so i had to ask
but thanks

[naive stump]

Oh it doesn't? Lmao

[drowsy jackal]

sidenote
i wonder if i'll live long enough to see the day when i don't get hit by ||gramps spinning bayblade of bullcrap||

I GOT HIT TWICE BY THE SAME ONE TODAY

[kindred blade]

also zeus boons describe lighting while the skill fact calls it bolt

and static shock describes chain lighting while the skill fact says lightning

[royal pumice]

oh my god that's the one attack I have a poor handle on

[rose comet]

I know that pain all well too much, it's by far the most hated attack in his arsenal. I found useful to know it always spin clockwise, regardless of position

[echo falcon]

is (3rd area npc) ||echo bugged for anyone else? i've talked to her and narcissus about eachother and the codex says that she's willing to accept nectar but i can't gift her anything ||

[rose comet]

||You must take her gift/boon, and then you will be able to gift nectar to her||

[royal pumice]

I'm gonna throw up (final boss)||I have a great build but I just don't think I can kill Chronos with this|| my dodge skills are just not good enough yet

[drowsy jackal]

so...
||eris|| just yeeted me off the map

i died in the process
but i've got it on video

so you know how when you die the screen goes black and you can only see mel and the thing that killed you for a second?

[ripe osprey]

that's so funny
her final resort to prevent you going to ||olympus||

[drowsy jackal]

idunno
i'd say she helped me, with how fast i was going
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229836992829984830/1241831708446429214/yeet.mp4?ex=664ba167&is=664a4fe7&hm=bb9bbc2e02e3ab868928d0ee2d744fdcff5bf7055ba32adc647d9dab90ba2632&||

i recorded this at 60fps and the whole thing is like...
10 frames
that's how fast i was going

[rose comet]

Damn Yeet

It never happened to me before, even if I fell at the same point

[royal pumice]

Painful loss, I have a controller bug where it glitches my inputs and it caused me to lose a bunch of damage 😭😭😭

[elder bough]

@cursive monolith #h2-feedback message many characters are in progress, the hooded figure picture is nobody at all. narcissus is in progress as well

[zenith torrent]

Oh i hate that one. Even with the axe where i could block, i kept forgetting to utilize that

[drowsy jackal]

whoever over at SGG came up with that one attack is probably reading all this like

yesssss!

[grim crest]

If it's the attack I think it is, my best advice is cast beneath them to keep them from moving then create distance til its over. There's probably a better way but that's kinda worked so far

[royal pumice]

i don't have fast enough instincts for that but I didn't know you could cast that

[drowsy jackal]

my problem is that i always end up dashing into it

[topaz parcel]

how much content is in the game right now?

[drowsy jackal]

today i got hit twice by the same one
i got hit, dashed away and then got hit again

in general - there's more zones and enemies and bosses and what not than in H1

[topaz parcel]

oh o.o

[drowsy jackal]

but there seems to be less story and less cool stuff to unlock than in h1

[topaz parcel]

have they mentioned an eta on achievements?

[drowsy jackal]

i don't think so

[zenith torrent]

Does cast even work on it?

[swift harness]

Open fun question with kinda spoiler:

Who is worse? Theseus, ||Nemesis ||or ||Eris||?

As a person I mean.

[zenith torrent]

||eris|| annoys the crap out of me but like, I feel like she does what she does to prove a point. Same with ||nemesis||. So gotta go with theseus

[royal pumice]

I don't mind any of them tbh

Maybe if Asterius didn't exist I'd be more annoyed by Theseus but they balance each other out

[naive stump]

Theseus has always been a WWE style persona for me so I don't mind him that much

[royal pumice]

||Eris is Eris, can't really expect anything from her ||, Nemesis should bother me but then she ||starts defending Nyx|| and I just find it too funny

[grim crest]

It doesn't stop the blade, but it limits his ability to chase you with it a bit. Hera s cast last longer so it might be easier with but I haven't tested it

[zenith torrent]

I see

[grim crest]

its thesues, hes the worst, even if it is a persona (which i dont think he is) at least the rest have the dececy to 1v1 you at some point

[swift harness]

Yeah I don´t believe it is a persona either. He is just so in his own head and world.

At least he cares for Asterius.

[grim crest]

as much as he is capable of ill grant him that

[swift harness]

I just think Nemesis is a big bully.

[grim crest]

I think nemisis is 1) strait up mad shes not the protagonist and 2) seems like she feels most the gods had it coming, thats just my read so far

[royal pumice]

Yeah I'd agree, plus some of her anger goes into ||the fact that Melinoe is incredibly young/inexperienced compared to the others in the crossroads and has such a large responsibility on her shoulders (not so much out of sympathy for Melinoe moreso annoyed at the handling of the delegation)|| Nemesis isn't handling it well but alas

[grim crest]

truth

Unrelated, I like a lot of the gods characterization and interactions, but Hestia's seems a little flat by comparison. Frankly tho its not like there's a ton to go off of either so I get it. No major myths or depictions come to mind either. There is some stuff you could do tho, One example is Hestia was the goddess of the hearth but zues would often punish people who broke hospitality, maybe they get along on that front, maybe she gets some credit for what peace the gods have among themselves as kind of creating a place they could agree was fighting off limits. Just an idea

[frail barn]

Without spoiling, is there a way to fully beat the game right now? (like having to beat Hades 10 Times in the first game)

[naive stump]

No

[frail barn]

Thank you!

[elder bough]

@serene stream #h2-feedback message it needs changing, just because it's an accessibility feature doesn't mean it can't have real problems with balance

i only really see people complain about a lack of customizability in it anyway. Some people are having it grow too easy, too fast, which is a real and valid concern.

[serene stream]

I respectfully disagree.

If it’s too easy why not turn it off?

[naive stump]

The jump ends up being too big
Even from 30% dmg reduction to turn it off it can feel bad

And then you have it for people who have it higher and instead of being able to gradually adjust to more dmg they get thrown from like 60%-80% DR to 0

Making it something that can decrease by winning or just having a slider would be nice (even if I don't use the mechanic)

[serene stream]

Well even at 80% on my end the game still feels difficult and I still have issues. People may make fun of me for that but it is what it is. I don’t want them to change the thing that helping me play.

So I sincerely hope if they do change it they leave the base alone and add other options on the side or something.

[naive stump]

Wait have you seen people say they should remove it?
Same as acid I've just seen people who want it to be a free adjust

Not that you shouldn't be able to max it out

[serene stream]

I’ve seen someone who said it was “boring” and needed to reset after bosses. And some other stuff (sorry my memory is bad 😅 ). It’s been really frustrating for me because godmode is what has allowed me to enjoy Hades and Hades 2

[swift harness]

I fully agree. Do not remove this feature.

Currently the final boss is harder than the one in Hades 1 lol. Even with 50% damage reduction it is super hard.

[royal pumice]

#h2-feedback message @balmy drum this is already a thing, I think. Do you mean that after a character has finished saying their text, it continues the dialogue without your input?

[rose comet]

If you think about the attack ||where he attack three consecutive times (switching between dashes at you and a large swing in front of him), it's not that. We are complaining about the attack where he throws the sythe spining, covering a huge area of the battlefield with it. It's has very little build-up, and hits for about 35 damage. Casting has no effect on it. It has been said here that Hestia's dash boon should get rid of the projectile, but haven't got the chance to try it||

[royal pumice]

Because that is something you can toggle in settings

[royal pumice]

@grizzled mountain #h2-feedback message she jumps into the hole?

[naive stump]

yeah she can enter chaos apparently

[dense plank]

Supergiant said that there's currently more content than in the original game
From what i've seen (and as much as i can say without giving any spoilers) there's A LOT of stuff

(and more to be added)

[primal trench]

From my experience there's def more content than the first game

And yes, more will be added

[worldly pulsar]

weapon/aspect wise theres a bit less currently though

[dense plank]

My only complaint/worry is that with more content, comes more work and time balancing everything. I hope they give more depth to some mechanics, spaces, lores and characters that appear.

[elder bough]

@mental leaf yeah. Melinoë’s miscellaneous commentary is very boring coming from Hades 1

[mental leaf]

Alright so its not just me then

[elder bough]

Zag’s self mutterings were more relatable and interesting overall, I think. I’d have to go check one vs the other but Melinoë self-muttering is just bleh and at times straight annoying

[mental leaf]

It feels kinda like its placeholder dialog almost, its too just "this is (what object is)"

[elder bough]

It really really is that yeah

[mental leaf]

And it might be! I dunno yet

[naive stump]

is a difference in context of the story too so I doubt you'll ever get zag style dialogue
hopefully it changes when we get more story tho

Mel only has the task in her mind

[mental leaf]

I fully admit I'm not really playing much yet (trying to avoid spoilers too) but that's just my first impression. And yeah, but Zag did too; he just didn't literally NOT comment on anything else

[elder bough]

No I don’t want her to just be zag but I also don’t want her to be as plain and straightforward in these monologues as she is rn

[mental leaf]

But maybe something changes

[elder bough]

It doesn’t, in 40 hours. IMO

[mental leaf]

I imagine too, its less priority than balancing the boons , making em more interesting/useful etc., so

[elder bough]

Even the 100th “purge boons for coin…” is somehow more interesting than the average Mel mutter idk

[primal trench]

As much as I like zag and his personality, mel is simply not zag, she's someone else, she's not silly like him, she's more serious

[mental leaf]

I definitely have faith in Supergiant, at this point. And well, she doesn't have to be Zag, but she also doesn't have to be so one note

[elder bough]

Yeah again I am not expecting her to have his personality, just to express her own ideas and emotions more

[naive stump]

what ideas tho

[elder bough]

Thats for supergiant to decide

[primal trench]

We have to remember mel has known one thing ever since she can reason " kill chronos" what can you really expect from her

[mental leaf]

She can be focused and more serious and still have other things to her still, comment and give her opinions rather than never doing more than "this is X"

Especially as she does more and learns things in her attempts

[naive stump]

Regarding main story we barely have anything
So I expect some change

[elder bough]

I do like when she comments on appropriate directions and strategy type things

[primal trench]

Zag would also say "a pom of power" when picking up a pom of power

[mental leaf]

Story I imagine is like Hades 1; the majority of it is just not put in till release to avoid spoilers

[elder bough]

And this is more than zag did!

[mental leaf]

Yeah, but he had alternate lines too. And would usually tell more things about other stuff. And yeah, like that! If she's more tactical, analytical, show that off

[primal trench]

All 1.0 in hades added was ||Greece and the epilogue||

[royal pumice]

Fingers crossed in time, after an update we get to see Nemesis in ||Chaos the same way we saw Nyx in Hades 1||

[primal trench]

||And she takes your chaos exit and leave you stranded in there||

[edgy flower]

agree 100%. it would be nice to have a slider but i found in hades 1 once i got to the point of where god mode felt "easy" i could take it off and still do fine. i think they (supergiant) know what they're doing and also you're literally a god

[royal pumice]

I think in time Mel will get more personable dialogue, but I do hope it leans into her being a serious person-not boring, per-say, I like that she bites back at Nemesis, I think on how Hecate says (early game story) ||her and Melinoe playing hide and seek is the first time she's heard Melinoe laugh||, but I do like the idea of leaning into her tactical observations, lifting her individuality without betraying the semi-studious vibes she has

I think that her interactions with ||Scylla|| vs Zag's interactions with Lernie (forgot his name) make their difference v stark

[iron torrent]

We just picked up the game tonight after brushing up on the first one this weekend. Three weapons unlocked so far but I'm not really feeling any of them, no favorite has emerged just yet. Looking forward to having access to them all. Gorgeous game so far, definitely a treat for the eyes!

[iron torrent]

I'm not really the target audience for the game as I struggle a lot with these types (skill issue) - so I'm grateful for the training wheels of God mode. I hadn't ever used it in the first game and have yet to progress past ||the champion of Elysium duo-boss||. The inclusion of magick feels less forgiving. I don't typically use a lot of stuff that requires a charge or hold of any kind and I could get by quite well in the first game but it seems like it will not be avoidable here. Curious how other players feel that are more skilled in this type of game or enjoy more patient playstyles.

[royal pumice]

First win Hephaestus attack my king

[naive stump]

the current best build pretty much wants you to have a turbo controller or a macro

[iron torrent]

My thumb is already in such pain 😭

[royal pumice]

😔 I didn't collect the item

[primal trench]

At first the game felt harder than the first, but then I realized it was my fault for playing like it was the first. After adapting I feel this one is way easier

[primal trench]

You didn't miss anything

[royal pumice]

Oh is it just like a Homer observation?

[primal trench]

For now, sort of

[royal pumice]

Oh good because I don't think I'm winning any time soon

[primal trench]

Do remember the doors don't unlock until you collect the reward

[royal pumice]

That's why i assumed I was okay, but then the screen cut to black and I was like :0 uh wait

[primal trench]

Yeah classic ||Homer murdering you offscreen||

[royal pumice]

At least I can dip out of #h2-for-new-players

[midnight badger]

I really like the game so far but I find that the weapons need some tweaking and I'll admit that my wrist and thumb hurt with the amount of game I played, which I never experienced before.

You are right that it requires more holding than the previous game, but the staff and a Zeus build (the boon that strikes lighting when your magick is at 0 works if you prime the most of it) allow the use of minimal magick while also doing damage.

I hope that the accessibility will improve so that it gets better for you. In the meantime, like another person said, it does require some adaptation.

[valid warren]

Literal exact opposite, I had to use God Mode to play how I wanted in H1 but in this one I haven’t touched it and made so much more progress.

The thing tho is that I prefer the first one’s mechanics tho, not to say I don’t love this one

[balmy drum]

ah i may be stupid then lmao

[edgy flower]

agree on your point about the playstyle feeling less forgiving (i think it's good though, i would've been a little disappointed if it played exactly the same) but also wanted to say don't give up on making it to the end of the 1st game! hades 1 was my first time playing a game like this and i genuinely thought i could never beat it. i'm still not "good" but i can clear it with god mode off, which if you told me that when i started i would not have believed you.

[arctic latch]

i finally beat a run with 68% dmg reduction lol

i took a break from hades 2, turned off god mode in hades 1 and i can now finally beat it consistently

and now im trying hades 2 without god mode, i can at least get to the last area but damn if i dont have a good build its real tough (still have yet to beat teh final boss withotu god mode)

i feel like my understanding of boons is way worse in hades 2, i just cant get a decent run going 70% of the time

[brittle prawn]

Honestly? I just keep god mode on all the time. I am NOT good enough at rougelikes to get anywhere without it.

Though i will grant it tends to make the first 2 areas of a run way too easy.

It's only after area three or further that things start becoming more difficult again.

[strange ivy]

That sounds like you're good enough but just need more practice? Of course it's your choice whether you want to put in the effort to do so

[swift harness]

Also I think maxed out 80% damage reduction doesn´t make the game that much easier. You still have to hit your combos, pick good boon-build etc etc.

[primal trench]

80% damage reduction is one hell of a boost tho

[wise locust]

Yes and no

[primal trench]

I shame no one, if I needed I'd use it. I do use it on darkest dungeon 2. I got fast fingers, but my brain is slow

I also like how it works on that game, once you win, it resets

[wise locust]

it is a huge boost, but if you're a person who just can't get dodge reactions to happen, then yeah, it's still not enough

[stiff hawk]

||When Melinoe tells Hecate that the path beyond Eris is blocked like it didn't even exist. Ohhh man. Are some players even going to get this bit of dialogue after its finished?||

[glacial lodge]

Much like Hades 1, the in-progress dialog is a "you had to be there" moment

[stiff hawk]

Is there a || second companion? ||

[glacial lodge]

||If you mean familiar, then yes, there are currently 2||

[swift harness]

Here is no shame in anything that is singeplayer games. We play for fun. Darkest Dungeon is an insanely hard game but the game devs also made it clear they let you freely edit the game to your own comfort.

[primal trench]

I did enjoy their addition of the ez mode flame, def made the game more enjoyable for me

[swift harness]

I wouldn´t that its "ez" mode, even with the flame lol. The ||3rd and final boss are|| still incredibly tough.

[primal trench]

Well by ez mode i just Mean in general, since is meant to make the game easier

[ivory crystal]

Any tips for how to handle ||the fight with Chronos?|| I seem to take a lot of damage from ||his melee attacks||. Done the fight 4-5 times now and still no luck

[primal trench]

Personally I find it easy to dash thru him, seems to avoid all melee attacks. If not comfortable you could respect his personal space and fight ranged, staff is good for this

[strange ivy]

My first was with axe special spam, super safe, literally can stand on the otherside of the room and hit

[primal trench]

Yeha ranged is a safe option

[paper mantle]

In my opinion hit scythe throwing is very hard to avoid and too mich damage even i have >200 hp and damage reduction it wont help too much that why i dont beat him yet but another boss dont too much time to beat it

Sorry my bad English spell wrong

[ivory crystal]

Maybe I just need to practice a few more times against him

I've only been using the starting weapon so far but wanted to try the axe next

[primal trench]

Try dodging thru him, scythe goes from his left clockwise to his right, so if you dash behind him, you should be safe

[paper mantle]

You re right but i have tried to read his attacks move but it very hard i dunno he will lesh scythe or throw it that make me confused cuz it the same prepared move

[primal trench]

The best teacher in most roguelikes is personal experience. One tip that I use myself and recommend others, is to go into the fight, and don't attack, just defend, focus on defending, learn the tells, is he pulling back to dash, is he lifting his scythe to attack. Get comfortable with the moves. Is hard to pay attention to this stuff when your brain is processing dmg per second

[ivory crystal]

love this idea. I usually try to listen for sound cues as well

[primal trench]

Whatever works for you, i haven't had much success with sound cues

The music in this game is too good 😵

[sand void]

I love ||Arachne|| she's my favourite supporting character so far. That is all XD

[primal trench]

I find myself going to every single npc room whenever possible, no exceptions

[sand void]

Darren Korb is as always a genius 😄

[primal trench]

He's truly blessed

[ivory crystal]

This is why I get distracted against Scylla xD

oops wrong reply - i mean about the music

[sand void]

same

[primal trench]

Completely understandable

[sand void]

I have ||"I'm going to claw out your eyes and drown you to death"|| stuck in my head

[primal trench]

That makes 2 of us

[paper mantle]

Yeah your re right last time I played i am very angry of this boss i never loss motivation to defeat boss in game be fore never use god mode since hades 1 cuz it not too hard to learn boss pattern before but chronos make me stop playing honestly i wanna go back to play but dont know how to beat him another boss I learned till i can defeat it in minutes but still not get to him that make me very confused

[primal trench]

Try to take it easy. For whatever is worth, since you seem be having a hard time, that means when you finally beat it, it will feel amazing

[paper mantle]

Alright thx bro appreciate it

[rose comet]

Knowing how the attack goes was a massive moment for me. While it didn't made it more predictable, I was made aware it wasn't just random BS. I swear I wouldn't had been able to beat it without that knowledge

[reef pawn]

Seconded, I usually take survivability over damage during exploratory runs to give myself more time to learn attack patterns and sequences

[drowsy jackal]

Well
I tend to dog that too
But when the time comes and the spinny golden bayblades of bullcrap start flying I panic and forget all my training

*do
(How in the hell did my phone correct “do” to “dog”?)

[wise locust]

||Notice when Chronos starts to do chain attacks||

||he starts the fight only being able to do rush or swipe once. Then he combos them twice, then later, three times||

||He never uses the boomerang attack as part of the chain attack||

||also, whenever he summons the orbital projectiles, he ALWAYS does a single rush attack after it, make him rush into a wall so that the projectiles crash into the wall and dissipate||

||The binding circle also stops him moving far during rush, so you can use this to make space if you need to||

[drowsy jackal]

OH CHRIST don’t give them ideas
If he starts doing that then I’m screwed lmao

[wise locust]

he always throws the boomerang attack.... clockwise

[drowsy jackal]

Also you might want to spoiler some of that

[wise locust]

Oh, I thought spoilers meant story spoilers

[drowsy jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-stop-please-gif-12272844

[primal trench]

spoiler is anything past erebus

[wise locust]

there we go

Although the idea that you fight chronos at the end of a run isn't exactly a spoiler, but hey

the fight mechanics are, I agree

[drowsy jackal]

Yeah I suppose

[willow oar]

Im pretty sure the first thing mel says in a fresh file is "death to chronos"

[drowsy jackal]

I wonder…
I wonder if SGGs collect some data on how people die during runs

If they do then I bet you 10 bucks the ||spinny golden bayblade attack|| is in top 3

[primal trench]

most likely, theres a data option in the settings

[drowsy jackal]

[primal trench]

people can tell them how they feel about the game, but data can be more precise

[drowsy jackal]

Oh yeah

[vagrant finch]

Honestly I bet more people get chip damaged by that one, then get killed by something else

[drowsy jackal]

Yeah yesterday I got hit twice by the same one

[iron torrent]

Yes. They capitalize T in time and immediately confirm your suspicions with the first thing she says

[drowsy jackal]

It sure is in my top 3
And it takes two spots at the same time

[primal trench]

Honestly I bet more people get chip damaged by that one, then get killed by something else ||a satyr||

[drowsy jackal]

Oh yeah and that was 40-something damage PER HIT

Oh yeah - have you guys seen that poor soul over at #tech support that got Uber scammed by ||nem||?

Don’t even have to spoiler this

#h2-tech-support message

God I almost feel for them

[primal trench]

HAHAHA the WHA at the end sent me

[drowsy jackal]

I am so glad nem tries to scam the player any chance she gets

I love little mechanics that… playfully screw the player over every now and then

[wise locust]

I like that Nem fights with the same moves that Zagreus uses

[drowsy jackal]

Like the Cristal lizard in demons souls laughing at you if you don’t get it in time
Or trusty patches just…
Doing trusty patches stuff

[drowsy jackal]

for real?
I never noticed that

[wise locust]

yeah, you see her using the special shockwave attack, most obviously

[naive stump]

She also crits sometimes right

[wise locust]

but yeah, she uses the same swipe, chop, thurst combo

I wouldn't be surprised if Heracles is a modified Asterius

need to look at his animations closer

[drowsy jackal]

I know ||eris|| uses almost every trick in the book for the gun

The only thing that doesn’t show up is Lucifer’s stuff
Which is understandable

[naive stump]

Ig we know what they are doing for extreme measures

[drowsy jackal]

OH CHRIST

She’s gonna be rocking the super-soaker build

[naive stump]

if anything it'd be a nerf

Unless they can swap the stuff at will

[drowsy jackal]

She’s gonna yeet you even harder than she yeeted me yesterday

[naive stump]

Lmao I saw

[drowsy jackal]

If you get hit by her water special she’s gonna push you back all the way over to the crossroads and you have to book it again to make it back in time

[wise locust]

Extreme measures Eris

[sand void]

I mean, Zag uses the aspect of nemesis after all 😄

[wise locust]

Exactly, it's a neat touch

[naive stump]

Extreme measures ||Eris|| should be given an speedrunner's build actually

Give them the cluster rockets

[strange ivy]

Oh no no no

[wise locust]

Seeking fire

[drowsy jackal]

Nah - full auto with chain lighting and a whole bunch of ads

So that she can hit anything and it will jump back on you

[sly pumice]

A map without pillars on EM would ruin me so much in that fight actually

[wise locust]

tiny lil island

that's still mostly on fire

Polyphemus has flaming sheep

[drowsy jackal]

[naive stump]

That still sounds better than the ||green sheep|| lmao

[drowsy jackal]

The hwat now?

[sly pumice]

Tiny enough to give no safe space for phase transition explosions?

[drowsy jackal]

Yup
Gotta dodge and I-frame though the blast

[wise locust]

or parry it,

[naive stump]

||the ones that ram into you||

[drowsy jackal]

THEY DO WHAT!?

[wise locust]

because explosion shrapnel can be riposted by a dagger, yes

[drowsy jackal]

[naive stump]

||there are different sheep per fight, white = poly eats them to recover hp/black = kaboom/green = rams into you/golden = blocks magic/projectiles||

[drowsy jackal]

Oh man - if only they knew this strat a 100 years ago WW1 would look completely different lmao

[wise locust]

9 seconds of crit chance too!

[drowsy jackal]

Well in my case ||poly doesn’t need any any sheep cause he always ends up eating me and makes me mash all the buttons because my dark souls muscle memory kicks in when that happens||

[royal pumice]

I see those I just give a farewell salute to one death defiance

[drowsy jackal]

I haven’t seen those and he still eats my DDs like they’re made of wool and meat

Yeah polyphonic-ringtone is kinda rough if you don’t have any solid ranged attacks

[royal pumice]

Polyphonic ringtone is 10/10

[desert anchor]

i see mentions of parrying and i know darn well i will suck so hard at this game if that is a function XD

[rare rune]

And they do 6 dmg per hit, its no joke 💀💀

[drowsy jackal]

Psshhhhh
6 damage?
I do more damage to myself in every room

[elder bough]

It’s not real

[drowsy jackal]

6 damage is nothing
That’s how I restore magick

[elder bough]

It’s a different mechanic than true parrying

[rare rune]

Its like 6 dmg constantly 😭😭

They get to you get lotsa 6 dmg ticks

[desert anchor]

oh thank god. i do not believe in parrying (this is a lie. im too ashamed to say i dont know HOW to parry in games)

[drowsy jackal]

Oh parrying here is easy cause you don’t even need reflexes and timing
Just hold X and get hit

[desert anchor]

I do like how challenging this game is tho compared to Hades 1! it can be frustrating but honestly i felt so good beating the first boss

I also love the area after Erubusa tho! dont read this next thing if you dont wanna know what it is.|| Oceana gives me HUGE transistor vibes with the music and colors for some odd reason and I love it so much.||

[drowsy jackal]

Oh yeah
The first time I got there I legit had to stop for a few minutes and take it all in

This really is “the best of supergiant games” kind of title
Like a compilation album

There’s a little bit of everything here
Some serious bastion influences on the OST ||when going to the surface||, little bit transistor here and there ( even in gameplay)

[desert anchor]

Im excited to see the limited items that pop out. may have to cop me a vinly if they come out with one hehe

[drowsy jackal]

Hades stuff too, obviously

[drowsy jackal]

I don’t even have a record player

And I still would like to have some hades vinyls

[desert anchor]

oh same its going to be framed at that point and for looks and a conversation piece haha

[primal trench]

so an album with a every single song that came from them?

[drowsy jackal]

A game that has a little bit of every other game

We’re just one talking sword short

[desert anchor]

next bit of merch should be life size replica of Zags sword or Melenoe's staff.

[naive stump]

Frinos plush

Bottom text

[desert anchor]

give me the frog supergiant

[sinful harness]

just played my first run and ||eris came in and gave me a "blessing", i died to the boss of the second region so i couldnt figure out what it does. what exactly is the blessing||

[primal trench]

increase dmg taken

[sinful harness]

how much %

[primal trench]

i believe it starts by 20% then it goes up per room

[sinful harness]

damn

[naive stump]

Is bc you went too fast

[sinful harness]

any way to avoid that?

[naive stump]

Is basically a "go do the story" thing
They'll go away the more runs you have

[sinful harness]

oh so basically a way to prevent the hades1 players from skipping too much story

[primal trench]

is to prevent you from progressing too fast, some people might never see her

[naive stump]

Yeah pretty much

[sinful harness]

alright. i will say, dash-sprint feels a little wonky, probably cause im way too used to spamming the double dash

[primal trench]

that sounds about right, no dash spamming here

[naive stump]

Rip your dash strikes (yay)

[primal trench]

you can dash strike, just not spam them

[sinful harness]

i played eris though, dashstrike spamming is all i know 😭

[primal trench]

you better reprogram your brain then

[naive stump]

Yeah the earlier you start going "this isn't hades 1 this isn't hades 1" the better

[nova parcel]

Does the game at this point have explanation why Melinoe's left hand being like that? No spoilers please, just yes or no

[naive stump]

Yeah

[jolly nebula]

Do yall think the game currently have more or equivalent content to hades 1? Id like to say I will return on release but I know I will probably play this, 100% it now, then maybe glance at it later but I'm wondering if rn it is a complete experience

[rare rune]

Story is not as much since EA and incomplete but theres a lotta gameplay contnet

[naive stump]

Yeah gameplay wise there's a lot more already

[jolly nebula]

As long as there is enough game play to sink a few days into it I'll get it. Thanks for the info

Can you pet an animal in this game?

[naive stump]

2 even

[jolly nebula]

LETS GO

[drowsy jackal]

i can't tell if that's better or worse than hades 1

cause sure - it might be 2 animals here
but cerberus in 1 has three heads

[vagrant finch]

Once there are more ||familiars|| (1 for each ||tool|| I assume) it’ll be an upgrade

[drowsy jackal]

yes

[naive stump]

You always pet the same head tho
The other 2 don't like it

[vagrant finch]

That’s true

[drowsy jackal]

so like
in hades 1 it's basically 33% of a pet

it's james may...
...on a cover of a marty robbins album

god i'm old

[rare rune]

Very

I feel like more potential romance than Hades 1

[primal trench]

Yes

[rare rune]

Honestly I felt there were more straight options

Or potential guy LIs

[royal pumice]

||well now none of the heads like it ||

[cedar palm]

Meli flirts with SO many people.

Skillfully, too.

[upper rose]

melinoe has such a good connection/chemistry with so many characters its great

[cedar palm]

And such a girl's girl. Idk. Good egg.

[swift harness]

She is very wholesome. I hope over the course of the story she losen up a bit.

[elder bough]

@native prism you can deal damage as a sheep. good damage, if you use terrain kills.

i end up taking out most of the adds by the time im back as melinoe

[native prism]

I know but it basically doesn't work in higher Fears due to say, the challenge that gives enemies the ability to tank 2 hits first.

It's alright and I like how you can do it.

[elder bough]

i dont think it needs to work there lol fear should be hard

[primal trench]

No healing also invalidates a lot of stuff from the games, yes fear is meant to make the gamer harder

[solar drum]

Odysseus and ||Icarus|| both seem to be on the table

[upper rose]

i dont think odysseus is one hes an uncle figure to her, but there is ||moros|| i think

[solar drum]

Oh yeah him too of course. I’m 50/50 on Odysseus because sure ||he was married (separated now from his dialogue it seems) but he’s also pretty open that he’s had relations with goddesses before|| and maybe Mel has a thing for older dudes?

[elder bough]

@torn flame respond to feedback in thsi channel youll only get deleted in the main channel

[torn flame]

thanks man

[upper rose]

except she knew him as a kid ||in a early flashback you can see him at the crossroads while she's a kid||. I get its like greek myths and stuff but also its a modern audience and i think a lot of people would be uncomfortable with it (me included)

[primal trench]

She straight up calls oddyseus like an uncle, so that's gonna be weird

[cedar palm]

Yes please, they should de-daddify him a lil and give us romance with Od.

[solar drum]

Yeah I guess there’s a line but people gotta remember the Greek mythology gets pretty horny

[solar drum]

Honestly I’d like them to maybe distance him away from the “uncle” role a little and let that happen

[cedar palm]

• they can delete like 2 lines, ||get rid of him in the flashback|| and voila, available sexy divorcee.

[nova parcel]

Mmmm male widow 🥰

[solar drum]

When you are gonna be around for eternity age gaps don’t seem to be the deal breaker they are with mortals

[primal trench]

She even ||refers to him as an uncle in one of the lines||

||the hottub scene was awkward af cause of this||

[solar drum]

Only because ||you are applying mortal sensibilities to gods, which is odd in many pantheons and downright crazy for the Greek gods in particular||

[primal trench]

Indeed, but we know that's that's their logic in the writing, which is why they ||removed most of the incest||

If not why got thru the trouble

Idk why I spoiler that xd

[solar drum]

Better safe than sorry I guess.

||I would say there IS a specific line or two from Mel where she asks if Odysseus is uncomfortable, because he’s a mortal and it doesn’t bother her at all because she isn’t. || going from memory because I can’t remember the exact wording

[primal trench]

I know what you're talking about and yeah ||she clearly shows it doesn't bother her, but will it bother the audience? Back on the incest again, I'm pretty sure no one in the mythology was bothered by it,|| but you said it yourself better safe than sorry

There's plenty of other characters, ||the whole nyx gang, arachne, icarus, I think is fine if they skip ody||

[solar drum]

It could go either way I guess. ||I just kinda like the idea of having a bit of older representation in the love interest department, as opposed to immortal teenagers/early 20’s characters. ||

[primal trench]

I would like the representation as well, I don't feel he's the correct choice. Maybe someone else gets introducdd

[solar drum]

Maybe we need Hector.

[nimble nest]

Melinoe sometimes feels a little too affable for what is basically a child solider

[primal trench]

Perhaps

[solar drum]

She is an immortal child soldier goddess witch though so there’s reasons it wouldn’t be affecting her the same as it would a normal human

Also as a follow up character to Zag who was probably the most affable and polite main character in videogame history it might be jarring if she had a thousand yard stare and no people skills

[cedar palm]

I really want someone older, because I'm not Melinoe and as a 30+ person I find the young vibes of Icarus and Moros just not attractive. I'd love someone who is if not older then at least more ambiguous or timeless age-wise.

Not an ingenue like those two.

But then that's how it be when you grow old but media is still focused on people around 20, in a way that's normal ig.

[solar drum]

Hard agree. I’m early 40’s so I definitely resonate more with Odysseus than Eris or Icarus. Moros could have been an option if they’d made him not seem like he’s in his early 20’s considering he’s the brother of the fates.

[cedar palm]

1000%. Moros has the born yesterday vibe which immediately makes him not an option for me (even though he does make sense for Melinoe, eh).

[solar drum]

Then again not having middle aged representation in my Greek action roguelike is probably peak “first world problems” lol

[cedar palm]

Mood.

[odd spoke]

damn kids, ruining my game smh

im 39

[cedar palm]

I like what they did with Nemesis - she's not middle aged, but she's not a younging, she has this weird who knows age vibes.

[solar drum]

We are gonna be in care homes playing Hades 6 and complaining that we can’t romance Demeter.

[cedar palm]

Demeter come to me I'll treat you better.

[solar drum]

I can fix her

[odd spoke]

lmao

I'm the best she will ever find.

[cedar palm]

I must say that also, Od spoiler? ||the way they approached Od's family is so refreshing. Of course people will grow apart when they came together as mortals and now they have eternity. I really hope we won't be bringing their family together. Divorce is ok!||

[solar drum]

It would be nice if ||his son rocks up at some point though. Just to visit, though Mel will probably jump his bones too rofl||

[cyan citrus]

hey may i ask if it's possible to get ||more witch's delight||?

[solar drum]

The|| pet treats? Yeah you get a recipe to craft them at the cauldron. ||

[swift harness]

Hades 2 is turning into Stardew Valley.

(and I love it)

[rare rune]

Except vs Theseus

[solar drum]

It’s been a long time but didn’t he try and be civil at the jump and Theseus is just such an insufferable douchecanoe that he flipped to antagonistic?

[rare rune]

Yea, Zag was a big fanboy of him

but after Theseus kept being an enormous jerk... 💀💀

[solar drum]

Never meet your heroes I guess

[swift harness]

I am almost 40 and I vibe a lot with Melinoé.

She is extremly mature for her "age" and perfect player representation.

[jolly nebula]

the ||shadow spiller|| in floor 1 is kinda hard

[frail crest]

god the soundtrack is so incredible, anyone got a fav song atm?

[digital dagger]

def the first surface boss music

[teal fern]

The track I'm going to claw has been bouncing around my head all day

[naive stump]

First upstairs/Nem's theme/coral crown

[elder bough]

@edgy adder #h2-feedback message pause solves the first two of these problems, ive had nemesis steal my stuff like 3 times in 50 runs cause of this, and they were all before i figured out i should just pause

@pearl totem #h2-feedback message uh i just run melee builds every single time and ||cerberus|| hasnt been a problem :)

[frigid adder]

Hi all, just a quick note that I am updating the channel names here & in the Hades I category, you'll start to see those rolling out shortly. There are no other changes beyond the channel names being updated. 👍

[elder bough]

i use twin blades, and it's either shotgunning the poseidon special or just going in with poseidon/aphrodite attack

hook flurry is really nice, the 16 piece special in a circle. all of the blades hit ||cerberus|| cause he's so big.

you do above 1000 per omega special

not to rain on your parade or anything here, just showing all modes are viable

[pearl totem]

I mean yeah i'm almost always using the Sister Blades and similarly have no issue with the boss, the main point of the feedback is how the specific timing and range certain attacks make the the boss hard to intuit when you first encounter them, which I don't find a very satisfying form of difficulty.

[elder bough]

yeah i agree then. the shockwaves are very surprising, for example

though youd figure it out in two hits or so

[pearl totem]

which is probably enough to kill you when you first encounter ||Cerby||, but figuring it out in two hits is exactly the problem, since that first run i've never felt challenged by them, with Hecate even if she's a very easy fight, I still have to stay engaged when dealing with her attacks, they all require different movements and offer different opportunities to attack, whilst with ||Cerby|| i'm just dodging in and out from his aoe for the entire fight and hitting him from wherever because he rarely has any directional attacks, and even then it's trivial to get behind him.

[elder bough]

@wanton temple #h2-feedback message f10 to report a bug

[elder bough]

there are aoes on the field almost always past the first bit of the fight i feel like it's a pretty good fight as is