h2-builds-and-combat

[split igloo]

yeah I guess, idk I just feel like Oceanus has the most trash to recycle, and if you take timepiece, then you're missing out on calling card

[mystic mango]

Calling card isn’t even that amazing except on a handful of boons

[split igloo]

and then your build will be complete by the end of Oceanus, so those boons will stay common

[mystic mango]

I’d rather be rich than get 5% extra damage on a boon

Time piece means I’m never too broke to buy at mid shop

[split igloo]

yeah I had 3800 gold my last UW run, and that's without taking tart side rooms, kinda ridiculous

and I only purged one boon (sorry, Ares, I don't need you in my pool), the rest were ashes/bones/etc

[mystic mango]

I mean yeah timepiece does end up potentially giving you excess gold but it’s better than being broke on debt 2

[bright gull]

Bump

[flint widget]

i think so yeah

[dapper elbow]

what should my 24 fear load out look like for the ||dream dive||

[final sedge]

cross your fingers 😄

[indigo viper]

Dream diver buffs boss/mobs?

[mystic mango]

It does I'm saying that factually

Hecate and scylla got buffed and poly and eris got nerfed. Even though they're the harder bosses they got buffed cause they just said "underworld easy"

[indigo viper]

Lol nope.

[mystic mango]

And didn't consider Rivals Hecate and Scylla are actually hard

[indigo viper]

I find with VoR underworld much harder.

[mystic mango]

Yeah absolutely

Scylla is already contender for hardest in the game

[indigo viper]

Like, I'm even quite afraid of put vor 2 in underworld cause both Hecate and Scylla can casually eat all my dd.

vor scylla is a hell

[mystic mango]

Now put that after getting no rewards from R1 Tart or Summit

Rivals 3 is free if you can do rivals 2

But yeah rivals 2 is the hard part

[indigo viper]

Yeah, I had something similar on my previous 32f run.

Tbh, I think Scylla/Hecate are harder than even Prometheus & Heracles.

[mystic mango]

I'd say the order GENERALLY is Chronos Scylla Typhon Heroes Hecate Eris Cerb Poly

But at a high level scylla at heroes move up

[indigo viper]

Scylla is a bullet hell with both Scylla (and her dash attack hit like a truck and is fast) and Charybids.
As if isn't too much already you also had a water pump and tanks which messed up your movement arena.
AND at top of that THE F drumer and her aoe attack.
It's way too much.

[mystic mango]

It's entirely up to whether you're better at adapting or predictability

If you're better at adapting then chronos is hell

if you're better at predictability then scylla is hell

same goes for typhon and heroes

[indigo viper]

Like I said. In my previous run vor Hecate on 3rd region took my 3 dds.
Vor Typhon as 3rd region took only one. xD

[split igloo]

Rivals Typhon is the hardest IMO, Scylla only has a few attacks, it's just spacing the tentacles/bullet hell

[mystic mango]

Genuinely if you find scylla harder then the order becomes Scylla Typhon Heroes Chronos Hecate Eris Poly Cerb

Though rivals cerb has some nightmare patterns

So maybe swap with poly

[indigo viper]

My main issue with vor Chronos is his first pattern on 3rd phrase, that one with clock and laser.

[mystic mango]

Rivals Typhon is mostly "just don't stand on the side with chronos and don't stand center stage"

But it can be a lot to keep track of

And hits like a truck

Also baby phase is a genuine skill check

[indigo viper]

But well, my gameplay is quite safe to play and basically hit and run until enemies died.

[mystic mango]

Laser just run around the edge of the screen

It's not hard

[indigo viper]

lol, I mostly stand centre before him

[mystic mango]

Until he ends laser just sprint around the perimeter

That's how every fear player does it

You can't react to the lasers reliably they're too fast

Unless you have godly reflexes

It's far safer to just go zoomies around him

It's why blinding rush is so good on top of the curse

[indigo viper]

Not me. I'm casual player, not that good. Thanks for advices. < 3

[mystic mango]

Yeah P3 chronos is easier than P2 IF you know the patterns

P2 you have to fight all the tempi which is why deep dissent is big

Or old grudge so you block enemies from spawning due to minion cap

[indigo viper]

Idk, I almost never play with timer vow, so usually ignores hourglasses and try to burst off grandpa.

[mystic mango]

If you hit first invuln on P1 chronos before killing the minions then he can't spawn more due to minion cap

[indigo viper]

How to do that?

[south copper]

You mean Typhons tongue Lazer? I find it easy to dash through yes even on rivals 4 haste 2
It's those splitter balls that really get me but it seems running up is the best way to avoid those

[indigo viper]

Nope, p3 Chronos when he summons laser on time pieces.

[south copper]

Oh that ya just run in big circle around the area maybe throw an attack out here or there

[fluid plank]

Ok I. Finished my fear 40 I want to do rivals now

Do I just go rivals as my only fear or what

I finished both bosses on rivals 1

I mean surface and hecate

[split igloo]

IMO just keep doing the testaments while unlocking more rivals

[indigo viper]

Then I'll just do rivals + frenzy to learn patterns.

[fluid plank]

Ty

I'll do that

I play with max frenzy cause it's fun

[split igloo]

spicy!

[fluid plank]

For me old man

[indigo viper]

Getting used to play with frenzy makes non-frenzy playing such an easy-peasy.

[fluid plank]

It's APM check

[split igloo]

there are a lot of free vows, like fangs, wards, enemies from later regions, shadow wardens, hordes, I just take those

frenzy requires re-learning the game

[fluid plank]

I hate wards

But I take them

[indigo viper]

I'd rather consider returing and debris more like free vows than hoardes.

And I said after completed runs with max out hordes and max hp vows. xD

[fluid plank]

Only build I turn hordes is nyx coat

[split igloo]

Nyx is kinda scuffed if you take wards, ruins the whole gimmick

[fluid plank]

And hence why I dislike it

[split igloo]

but it's fine on fast hitting weapons

rivals Cerb has ||22 wards|| just saying, have fun

[indigo viper]

The only time i turned off wards is when i use axe. Otherwise, it's pretty doable.

[fluid plank]

1 ward is quite ok for axe

[indigo viper]

But axe is too slow and too high hitter to easily destroyed wards.

[split igloo]

get a ranged cast and throw that into a group before you start hacking and slashing

[fluid plank]

Btw since patch how you play Ares nowadays

To maximise its potential

[split igloo]

I think you just fish for Grievous Blow, it's a pseudo crit, wounded enemies may take 3x damage

and once you have that you're all set

[bronze flax]

Trying Omega Attack Hel, and while it's good, I feel it can be hard to just stay on a position and keep spamming Omega Attack lol

Eris in particular was annoying, and Apollo my dude is just not helping, give me your Attack boon already

[solemn carbon]

Wouldn’t it be easier to clear the wards off the whole room with the Nyx aoe though?
Attack a foe to clear wards, omega dash into it, then use night spawn aoe to probably take wards off everything else at the same time

[thorny junco]

Im on new celene coat and im somehow dealing 1900 with my ares special, wtf 😂

[opal pecan]

The main gimmick is the nightspawn, not really the omega sprint

You do miss out on being able to get the free damage from omega sprint, but wards don't really hurt the nightspawn

*at the beginning of an encounter, that is

[solemn carbon]

Oh I thought you were saying that wards ruins the gimmick of Nightspawn. But really you’re saying Night spawn ruins any challenge from wards?

[opal pecan]

Hm? No, that was Bunny

I also thought the same as you

[solemn carbon]

Ah right

Oops wrong reply

[thorny junco]

lols cool

[solemn carbon]

So has anyone tested what books Seismic Servo now affects?

patch notes say it has additional boons but no clue which it could be

[thorny junco]

Athenas immunity, Hades Dark mode, Athenas Special Phalanx, i think

Circies morph on Omega also

[solemn carbon]

Some said it changes how long wounds stays afflicted for and I need to test that if I can but that requires getting the duo and Wounds at the same time which is rng dependent

Athena’s Immunity and Special phalanx is pretty cool to get more often

[opal pecan]

Just do a rerolls run with god keepsakes, ig? The Wounds would be very easy to get, it's only the duo that'd be tricky

It'd basically be like if you were boonfishing for a prophecy 😆

[solemn carbon]

Yeah

I’ll try to test in next few runs

[solemn carbon]

Doesn’t seem like it effects freeze recharge time

Which I assume means it doesn’t change the time for wounds to refresh either

[dry lava]

What is the best aspect/build for Ares now? I always avoided him 😅

[solemn carbon]

I staff with mirrored or wicked thrasher is really good with it

Especially with huntress

It’s also one of the few gods I would consider running death instead of strength with

[split igloo]

I mean fair enough if you want to look for a silver lining, but you're missing out on a big boom

[alpine raft]

yea it doesn't speed up wounds

we arent really sure if anything was added to seismic servo

[solemn carbon]

it says it does in the patch

I just can’t remember what USED to be included

so I don’t know what was added

[alpine raft]

it says it does but nobody can find it

[solemn carbon]

Unseen Ire used to not work and it does now

[opal pecan]

Huh, that's pretty huge given the long CD

[solemn carbon]

is dio’s reckless abandon boon ever actually worth taking

The only thing I can think is when using a low damage attack with a Olympian damage boon like scorch

but you can’t really plan for that

[glossy jetty]

What does that one do again?

[solemn carbon]

Attacks are 5, 55, or 555 damage exactly

I have Success rate on so idk if it doubles the chance for 555

it says 8% chance for max damage

[vernal quiver]

Uhhh specifically if its supay or hel with like poseidon waves, static shock, and arty arrows lol

Otherwise yeah dont take it

[solemn carbon]

Maybe if you had Air Quality ?

Then it’s 50/55/555

[glossy jetty]

Reckless abandon / air quality / chain lightning / support fire / nimble limbs

[vernal quiver]

Yeah that too

Its like 99% never a take though(which is most of Dios boons)

[solemn carbon]

Damnit I looked it up, success rate does increase chance of 555

My build wasn’t about spamming attack anyway I guess

The gold one and the +health one also aren’t that good but I guess no real downside

[glossy jetty]

I feel like worry free (or whatever it is) would be good if it just gave you more health

Iirc rn it gives you like 50 to 80 when it's rare? Which is nice but honestly mid considering Athena can give you deflects and better/more/infinite defiances lol

[solemn carbon]

50-80 at base

Goes up in increments of 20, if you ratify with calling card to heroic it’s 110-140

It doesn’t really change how I would play unless I am running out of time. But I’m never running out of time if I make it to the last boss

[vernal quiver]

athena is so buns icl 😭

shes such a renewed faith bot like genuinley i never care for anything else she gives

[solemn carbon]

Why not run strength and take a different boon though

[vernal quiver]

im a 62f+ player strength is never the take lol

although ive done strength no lovers antler stuff for 67 practice when im actually wanting to win i take death

i was super close to a 65f dream dive the other day too, made it to r4 champs and they both were at like 10% but i got too scared and pinned instead of antlered

[solemn carbon]

Right just cause you’ll get 1shot even through strength/ the DD’s become more EHP?

[vernal quiver]

yeah exactly

and if you time out the extra hp from dds can stall out the timer damage

[solemn carbon]

true

[vernal quiver]

and assuming you wantler its more hits you can take

[solemn carbon]

Do you ignore centaur hearts at that point too

[vernal quiver]

yes and no, assuming jpom when given heart v pom or heart v mana i always take heart(i play circe) but being willing to chrolex hearts away is part of wantlering

cuz like more health before i wantler is still more certainty i get to wantler

[solemn carbon]

You don’t go pom over heart?
Also lol @ chrolex

so you wantler the final boss usually I assume

[vernal quiver]

why would i, +4 on everything makes any seuqential pom barely do anything

[vernal quiver]

yeah my dream dive 62 i did it lmao lemme find the win screen

[solemn carbon]

Don’t most poms reach plateau where they stop getting worse after like 2 anyway

[vernal quiver]

#h2-victory-boasting message
the run in question

[vernal quiver]

yeah but like why would i care for an extra 5% on my hera attack when i could just take an extra 25 hp

[solemn carbon]

yeah depends on the boon you’re pomming but some seem like they just never get bad

getting a Zeus or Poseidon attack and Echo doubling your poms is chefs kiss

[solemn carbon]

Does it not say on a Dream dive run what zones there were in the win screen

Oh nvm it’s right at the top

[vernal quiver]

yeah but at high fear id much rather take survivex3 or evadex3

or like goldx3 has some super nice use cases

[solemn carbon]

exade is really good if you don’t get hit much

survive is nice if your build is more single target and clearing frenzy / hordes Tartarus is gonna be a pain

but I’m a messily 35 fear and climbing so what do I know

[vernal quiver]

yeah the game warps a lot once you break 45+

a lot of the decison making you could get away with below it kinda stops working cuz you will time out or one wrong step and half your health is gone

[solemn carbon]

Yeah this is beginning to be a problem for me with the -healing and +damage being on

[vernal quiver]

tbf i didnt even touch pain until the 55 -> 62 jump

scars2 is whatever though theres enough healing in the game that its not too bad, scars3 is reserved for the 60 -> 62 jump though

[solemn carbon]

I’m definitely not doing this efficiently then

I’m doing pain 1 scars 1 frenzy 1, with wards menace return shadow forfeit hubris and denial, plus rivals ofc

scars frenzy and pain are my most recent additions and definitely suck the most out of those

I thought Fangs would be free but it sucks

[vernal quiver]

no timer??

actually whats the fear your chasing rn i can make you a setup

if you plan on climbing frenzy2 rivals4 timer3 should always be on so you get used to it asap

[solemn carbon]

Oh oops ? I have the time 1 as well

I am thinking of changing to time 2

I used to use time 2 before adding the last couple things

but idk if I can do time 3. In hades 1 I was same, fastest timer always didn’t work out for me with the higher health opponents (not that I’m using them yet)

[vernal quiver]

as long as your runs are on average under 20 minutes then you beat time3 ez

surface is a bit rougher on timer but uw as long as you get out of erebus you should be fine

[solemn carbon]

it’s the first 1-2 bosses that the time is rough for me on 5min

[vernal quiver]

yeahhhh hecate will do that, she will always do that its awful at 67

[solemn carbon]

Polyphemus is worst

It’s usually Polyphemus or Scylla that does me on time if I use 5m

7 tends to be fine but occasionally tight

[vernal quiver]

do you know proper ephyra routing?? the rooms in ephyra are consistent in where they lead so you can end up routing a real quick ephyra

also always be taking minibosses and npc skips unless youre super desperate for a boon the other room is offering

[solemn carbon]

I just run straight for a bat cage and then make a plan on what I want in my build generally

[vernal quiver]

hmm ok let me grab the ephyra map from the speedcord

[solemn carbon]

But Medea first and mini boss is usually a no brainer unless the mini boss has a boon I’m avoiding

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245594586135527466/1247607020102615134/EphyraMap1a.png?ex=69e12015&is=69dfce95&hm=692bb91af95afdf91e9a978f4ed6272bfdabd678957990024faf91b2d822ac9a&
its a little outdated iirc but its still a good rule of thumb

ephyra even at 62f+ should be left with a good like minute or more on the clock assuming you routed and played well

[solemn carbon]

so basically if it’s stuff you want in your build country to hit blue rooms first / preferentially?

But yeah I’ve never considered avoiding certain rooms in ephyra because of their shape

other than hating the bull lol. But mini boss giving a higher rarity boon is worth it

[vernal quiver]

yep, blues and greens are gotos, and i only take oranges if its a god i really want or if i could highroll a good hit from them

lemme see if i can find the more recent one cuz that one is the EA map iirc

[solemn carbon]

anyone know does Extra dose work on Moros torch explosions?

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245594586135527466/1435448786163077211/image.png?ex=69e1945b&is=69e042db&hm=6c12367538e1218cac81c24b9f48bdff5261664a5a64f356411c37f480c14792&
ok yeah this one is lots more recent

[solemn carbon]

No clue what the numbers mean

[solemn carbon]

Oh it’s the number of side rooms

[rare horizon]

I'm looking to clear hades 2 for the first time with the axe (og aspect) any build recommendations would be appreciated

[viral yew]

It's not so much builds and more just playstyle, you want to completely ignore the attacks and omegas (unless you get psychic whirlwind) and only use dash strike->special

[hexed spade]

I’m too afraid to ask since I’ve done hundreds of hours but what exactly dictates if a side room opens, is it how fast you clear the main room out?

[vernal quiver]

i have no idea lmao

i also dont play surface like at all

the last time i seriously did was my mel staff 65 which was ages ago

dream dive olympus has been ruining me 🥀 it killed one of my dream dive 65s last night

[hexed spade]

I used to think it’s speed but sometimes I think I ate that room and none of the doors open

[solemn carbon]

No it’s Eng

Rng*

[hexed spade]

Of course

I actually feel dumb LOL

[solemn carbon]

There’s probably weighting towards a certain number of side rooms

[hexed spade]

it’s the most obvious answer 🤡

[solemn carbon]

but it can be quite random

The graphic he put up above shows that the rooms have different kinds of rewards, others can have major or minor but those all have major guaranteed

More can still be useless

major*

like an element that doesn’t go with your build at all

[vernal quiver]

they also take like 2 seconds to clear so you decide on the spot to chase em or not

[solemn carbon]

I just go for them if I see them it’s never the deciding factor on if time will kill me tbh

[solemn carbon]

NPC room is nice as a skip but they tend to seem mostly useless compared to boons to me. Other than Echo and Icarus, that is

am I sleeping on some good upgrades or not really

[viral yew]

Icarus is one of the worst, narc is also not great, the rest are quite good

[solemn carbon]

isn’t Icarus free poms or use +mana to do extra damage on omegas quite good

[wild drift]

Icarus best ones are the armor

[viral yew]

Here we go again

[solemn carbon]

Hahhahaha

[viral yew]

I'll find the discussion that was had yesterday

[solemn carbon]

Why would I want the armor it’s not even that much. Maybe if you’re Hephaestus max sing

Maxxing

[wild drift]

To survive

[vernal quiver]

for r4 antler and saftey against pain3 scars3

tldr his pom ones are moot because of jpom, the armor ones are nice because theyre armor and thats it(arachne is just a better version of him), and everything else is just buns

[solemn carbon]

Right I guess armor is more valuable the less healing you have

[viral yew]

#h2-victory-boasting message**

[vernal quiver]

and he drops the population of a small country on you when half the boat is already on fire

[solemn carbon]

The combat taking ages does suck with Icarus

[spark crown]

its time for me to get back into h2

YIPPEEEEE

"not the first ive dremt of nemisis" vine boom

[spark crown]

is selene guaranteed at the start of all dream dives or am i just unlucky

[wild drift]

Sounds like it's time to hit undo night and salute

[viral yew]

Doesn't work on the first dream dive

[split igloo]

pretty sure it does, it's always the fields, but you can re-roll the gods

[spark crown]

it also dosnt work if you havent done the incantation XD

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/AYAwVCS

THEY GUTTED MY BOY

[solemn carbon]

What do you mean

Isn’t that a straight buff

[spark crown]

unupgradable% ends up with a lower % than building into plasma

[solemn carbon]

Isn’t the % even with heroic before still less than 20%

[spark crown]

Default heroic with jpom was 12-16 iic with each subsequent pom adding 1-2% but it also made plasma restore nearly all magick

But all round plasma got nerfed with the legendary changes

[solemn carbon]

10-16 standard to heroic, plasma only ever restored 15 magic and couldn’t be changed I thought

but yeah the poms added 2-2-1-1-1…% chance if I recall?

[spark crown]

I swear it was more than that I never had mana issues with plasma

[solemn carbon]

I never had mana issues with plasma because I only ever got it on fast weapons

and tend to dash around / through plasma a lot anyway without changing my fighting style much

But the current buff means the mana per plasma goes up with poms/rarity anyway so you shouldn’t have problems imo

[rare horizon]

thank you

[vernal quiver]

This is better wdym 😭

Like yeah give me 30+ mana per plasma and let a bunch of things give chances for plasma as is

[spark crown]

let me be mad about my %s

i am sad about the double speed stats tho

[vernal quiver]

65f dream dive happens today guys trust

[spark crown]

i tried 60f dream dive and got selene start 3/4 times

[vernal quiver]

Yeah 65f means I reset until gigaros/life tax fields start so it takes me 20 minutes to try one run

@viral yew when's the 62f dream dive :3

If you wont do a regular 65 at least do 62 dream dive 🥀

[viral yew]

LEAVE ME ALONE

[flint widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284908016918986906/1494022756977610822/togif-5-1.gif

[vernal quiver]

How's your 65 dives going

[flint widget]

idk i just started grinding rn

oceanus and fields only good starts lowk

[vernal quiver]

true

and id even argue oceanus stinks cuz faster scylla is evil

and fish rooms 🥀

[wild drift]

How bad is downscaled Olympus

[austere trail]

it's chill

[vernal quiver]

Idk I reset if its ever early

[austere trail]

oh for high fear? nvm idk

[wild drift]

R1s have been so brutal for me (except for Fields duh but also the one time I got that I was playing Supay so it kinda was) and I've only been playing 45-50 so far

[vernal quiver]

R1 its awful, r2 probably equally sucks

R3 you better hope your build is insane

[spark crown]

yeah when

[split igloo]

just sounds like they need to tune the scaling a bit

[vernal quiver]

no its just olympus being olympus

[austere trail]

tbh I don't think they cater to high fear much?

[wild drift]

They would have to totally overhaul Tartarus and maybe Summit for R1

[spark crown]

can confirm oceanus sucks r1

[wild drift]

Or just make them impossible to get first

[spark crown]

same with thessaly

[vernal quiver]

like genuinely even in regular runs olympus still murders high fear unless you had a great ephyra and thessaly

[spark crown]

@viral yew how you get tart r1 followed by summit :P

[split igloo]

if you still have time you can slow down and take cover etc

[vernal quiver]

you wont have time is the thing

[split igloo]

dio keepsake can give more time

[vernal quiver]

fields is the best start and even with solid luck its still an r3 area with r1 amount of boons so chances are youre leaving with barely any time

[austere trail]

time3 is a problem at high fear even with dio keepsake

[spark crown]

can confirm feilds is best start :)

[vernal quiver]

and then sequential areas will murder timer with any mild bad luck, fig almost feels like a necessity but losing a gazillion dollars from chrolex ruins your boon eco

[spark crown]

regions teir list soon :P

[vernal quiver]

like travel deal + chrolex ramps you like crazy

its literally like fields is playable, oceanus is maybe, and everything else is a hard no 😭

at least for 65

my 62 was a thessaly start and i did fine

[visual briar]

Any nice Ares builds post patch? I love Ares but couldn’t think of actually properly using him in any build

[spark crown]

ephyra and erebus r1 with the other routes r2 sounds peak i wont lie

[split igloo]

tbh 65 is not meant to be beatable, I don't think they actually playtested that

[spark crown]

me when ares mentioned this patch https://tenor.com/view/tantrum-kicking-gif-23507491

[vernal quiver]

you cant roll either of those as r1

[spark crown]

sadge

[viral yew]

I wouldn't be suprised if noone on their team couldn't beat it

[vernal quiver]

yeah so fields is probably the only viable start for 65/67

[vernal quiver]

i wouldnt be surprised if no one on their team could beat 45

[spark crown]

foolish or hellish will get it first for sure

[austere trail]

wait what haha

[spark crown]

@viral yew has a skill issue so they probs wont :P

[vernal quiver]

I was inches off of a 65 clear yesterday

[austere trail]

I haven't even gone past 40F on normal 😭

[spark crown]

i believe in you :)

[wild drift]

Who else is grinding it rn

[vernal quiver]

And by inches I mean champs at 10% each and I timed out, so 65 is plenty doable

[spark crown]

trust me hellish you got this

[viral yew]

:3

[vernal quiver]

67 i have no idea

[split igloo]

but isn't it RNG hell

[vernal quiver]

i got fields -> erebus -> ephyra -> olympus so i lost a 1/4 at the end and wussed out of antler

if i took antler i won, i was playing too scared i had nitro boost, snow queen, and dds so idk why i was so scared

or if i didnt get midshop scammed, and im sure i couldve played the fight itself better to at least not die as fast to timer

[spark crown]

meta is antler r1 fr fr

trust me

[vernal quiver]

I mean if you wanna fight r4 scaling without antler sure 😭

[spark crown]

im good at the game

they call me john hades

[vernal quiver]

I think r4 olympus is like 1.8x health or smth

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/you-are-lying-man-lie-U335adiNvcKJGdACMB

[spark crown]

i would never lie my gov name is john Hades fr fr

[wild drift]

Wait wtf you're right lol

That means Prometheus and Heracles deadass both have Typhon HP each

Wtf is this

No wonder I went like 45 seconds over timer earlier lmao

[spark crown]

you have to play the game backwards antler first jpom last

= win fr fr

[split igloo]

you guys better complain about it while they're still patching the game, else it will stay this way

[austere trail]

well for low fear (32F and below) it doesn't matter at all

[spark crown]

hitch tooth will forever be my r4 in this mode (ive never reacehd r4)

[austere trail]

I don't think they cater to higher fear balancing

[wild drift]

Ah yes Luckier Bones and Knuckle Teeth

[spark crown]

wait

[vernal quiver]

yeah ok i made the mistake of playing out a gigaros thessaly and ran into charybdis with 1 boon im good

[spark crown]

XD

[spark crown]

im tired and doing course work T_T

i ment bones

[wild drift]

They kept every biome except Fields and Ephyra as minor reward hell

Artificer into more Soul Tonics please

[vernal quiver]

and im even taking artificer 😭

like atp i might as well just go strength persistence cuz wtf

[split igloo]

btw, is artificer seeded per biome or something, I kept getting Aphro boons when recycling trash in Erebus

[spark crown]

strength death :P

[vernal quiver]

bro cant count to 6

[spark crown]

no

[vernal quiver]

ur just getting some evil luck lol

[spark crown]

oh again im tired and doing course work i cant think properly

[split igloo]

and then the next run it was all coins, weird

[spark crown]

ts is hell https://imgur.com/RdAn7gL

on q7

[wild drift]

I just "finished" doing course work because my prof said "submit a draft" and I took "draft" to mean "literally an outline with some meat"

[spark crown]

close enough

[vernal quiver]

genuinley i think its smarter to skip midbosses atp cuz how tf am i supposed to fight any non r1 midboss with 1 boon and no hammer

also 20+ resets and not a single fields start 😭

[wild drift]

Can you start with Last Gasp while not running Death?

[spark crown]

for sure

[vernal quiver]

i love getting fine boons but i get midshop, fountain, and narc scammed so i have 30 seconds on scylla 🥀

im gonna lose it its been an hour and not a single fields start

like genuinely wtaf

[gritty widget]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMTJd my new perma fear

[vernal quiver]

ok yeah oceanus start just doesnt work theres no way

and having to roll a 1/6 to even see if you can play the damned game is actually so obnoxious

[gritty widget]

they should let us roll starting regions

[vernal quiver]

they should just put ephyra and erebus in the starting pool so it goes from a 1/6 to a 3/8 and 2 of those make the run bearable

[wild drift]

Should've let us salute Hypnos instead of having to go back to the oath

[flint widget]

they removed erebus and ephyra from the starting regions so that runs will feel more different

[vernal quiver]

also whoevers bright idea it was to put frenzy3 on the first 2 regions is actually dumb

[vernal quiver]

yeah cuz getting out of order regions wasnt enough 🥀

[gritty widget]

itll take like 100 n mares 100 v lens and 150 z sand or smth

wait thats like nothing for you guys
but still

[wild drift]

1000 Poppy and 100 Stars

[gritty widget]

throw in a 500k kudos and 100k bones cuz why not

[gritty widget]

i got a fields start
i bless you with fields start

[vernal quiver]

Yeah its been another 20 minutes and I still havent gotten one

Idec about the jpom hit atp like ive been resetting for an hour and 20 minutes for a 1/6 😭

[wild drift]

Urinary Circle start on the world's first Dream Dive 65 trust

[vernal quiver]

my almost clear last night was dissent and i didnt even get typhon/gramps

so like clearly it doesnt need a good jpom hit

i just need to be able to play the damned game

[gritty widget]

dang

[wild drift]

Tbh Deep Dissent should've been changed to affect other bosses too

Delete 1 Hecate clone, Delete Medea or make her spew less poison, Delete Eris adds or make her shoot less hellfire, Delete 3 Charybdis tentacles, Delete Aetos or the Satyrs, Delete/half Cerb midphase

New best JPom boon lol

[gritty widget]

OMG morrigan crit just did 3.9k

[wild drift]

Sweeping Ambush?

[gritty widget]

yessir

[strong lodge]

Hey everyone, put about 150~ hours into the beta/1.0 version and ran Moros/Torches almost the entire time. But for my PS5 run, I’m seeing that the Madea/Skull build is extremely strong once you get used to it.

Any tips for it besides getting Zeus’ special and spamming Attack/Special?

[flint widget]

special doesnt give iframes so dont special into enemies when theyre about to attack

[split igloo]

the biggest tip is to only load 1 skull at a time, so you do attack into special over and over and you never run out of skulls

[vernal quiver]

how in gods name has it almost been 2 hours and i havent gotten a single fields start

like what the actual hell its a 1/6 this is astronomical levels of bad luck

and any oceanus starts i get have actually nothing in them its terrible

goddamn only took 2 hours to get a single fields start

[past lynx]

Could anybody point me in the direction of Builds for Sister Blades players? I’m relatively new to Hades. I also like the Moonstone Axe despite it being nowhere near the same style.

For reference, I’ve got all Arms but the Black Coat unlocked, I just beat Eris for the first time above about 10 mins ago.

Just feeling like I’m plateauing, but also feeling like it’s because I’m on autopilot a lot and spamming/mashing combos instead of playing with a more focused and intentional strategy.

[spark crown]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

idk if thats updated at all but

[split igloo]

sister blades have a bit of a skill floor and require specific boons like poseidon, maybe try something else first
the coat is actually very easy to play, you should be able to unlock it now after beating Eris

[past lynx]

@split igloo thanks for the insight. Would you have a recommendation for what’s a more ideal weapon?

I really enjoyed the Daedalus upgrade that buffs Backstabbing damage. Can’t remember which weapon gets it.

[split igloo]

all weapons are viable, though I'd say the coat and torches are the easiest to git gud at
the backstab hammer is on the blades I'm pretty sure, you can grab that + backburner from Apollo and that's a pretty strong combo

if you want to focus on backstabbing, grab an Apollo boon like blinding rush, then he should offer Backburner next, this increases your backstab damage by a lot

and with blinding rush all you need to do is dash behind the enemy and backburner is already online, pretty simple

[viral yew]

Just staff

Strongest weapon if you want free wins

I'd say coat and blades are hardest to get good at

[past lynx]

Thanks, I am trying to get better at everything desperately lol

What should I be doing with the staff, is there a specific route God-wise?

[viral yew]

All things will improve with time and metaprogression

[split igloo]

coat you just spam dash strike into punch punch punch or spam rockets when you're not feeling safe, do an omega special sometimes

[viral yew]

hera and zeus

[viral yew]

It's also very low damage and hard to build

[past lynx]

The Skull is a fun weapon too.

just letting it rain

[viral yew]

Skull is also super strong

[past lynx]

Skulls

[split igloo]

poseidon attack is high damage

[past lynx]

I’m new to Roguelikes - only one I’ve played was Halls of Torment and fell in love with it

[viral yew]

I think we have different defenitions of high damage

[split igloo]

it's fine with slippery slope

[past lynx]

But this is quite different obviously

I’m just happy to output any damage at all lol 😅

[split igloo]

you can also go for hestia, then do something like dash strike into cast into punch punch punch for a lot of scorch

[past lynx]

I have been reading many people like Hephaestus too. Is this the case for any weapon?

Sorry if I’m annoying yall with the inquisition but I’m new.

[split igloo]

heph needs high rarity/a lot of levels/seismic servo to be OP, normally you try to set this up with heph keepsake in region 1 and poseidon keepsake in region 2, then you try for the seismic servo duo, then go to echo in region 3 for pom pom pom, then it's OP, but only then

[past lynx]

Is there any God that I should avoid every time

Ah gotcha

[split igloo]

if you do all of the above, then you can enjoy 1.5 sec cooldown heph blasts which is an easy win usually

[split igloo]

normally you want flat damage for fast hitting weapons, and % based boons for heavy hitting weapons, so it depends on your weapon

[viral yew]

Dash strike special is just better, normal punches are too slow

[past lynx]

Ah, I haven’t heard that yet

[viral yew]

Always this

[past lynx]

Hestia is Scorch right

[split igloo]

also, you can only have 4 gods + Hermes in one run, so every time you take someone, they will be along for the ride, keep that in mind, say you don't want Aphrodite this time, just skip her

once you have 4 gods, the game will stop offering new ones

[past lynx]

But there’s a few that are omitted from that 4, correct?

[spark crown]

got back on for a run or 2 and got a tart start

[split igloo]

Artemis doesn't count because she's just an NPC this time, Hermes also doesn't count because he will appear every run no matter what

[past lynx]

What’s that?

[split igloo]

post-game stuff

[past lynx]

Ah gotcha.

[spark crown]

all you gotta know is its bad

[past lynx]

Thanks again, everyone. Your suggestions and feedback have been super helpful. I’ll definitely let you know how things are going shortly.

haha can’t wait to find out 🥹

[split igloo]

good luck!

[spark crown]

BRO CAN YOU NOT GET ANY REAL REWARDS HERE

AINT NO WAY I JUST GOT UNLUCKY RIGHT

https://imgur.com/qzdw9yp

hmmm i got this fr fr

ITS RIVALS TOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yeah no thats not possible

[flint widget]

yeah thats just the game

[viral yew]

L

[spark crown]

0 boons rivals chronos goes crazy

got p1 to 50%

[split igloo]

should've taken boatman

[spark crown]

boat man dosnt save me with ares and hermes as boons

[split igloo]

ares is good though

[spark crown]

im playing eos

so not really

[mystic mango]

Ares is amazing on Eos what

Torches love ares

[spark crown]

never works on eos

for me atleast

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1494084232992129055/image.png?ex=69e1fa9f&is=69e0a91f&hm=554c966c39dd04a4f6a5f22f22080d8b0211cd4716f12ca64100c547415a6c2a&

[spark crown]

mmmmm lagging

[mystic mango]

Not a high fear run

But just a build idea. I’m gonna try a 50f dream dive soon

[spark crown]

ok but 1 ares boon vs rivals chronos

[mystic mango]

But yeah rivals Chronos R1 is rough

I mean he’s got like NO health

Wounds would still help

I mean the fact you didn’t reset when you got R1 tart is up to you

[spark crown]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjOSIsImMxMCIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxOCIsImMyNCJd current arcana

[mystic mango]

R1 tart or summit is an instant reset

[spark crown]

yeah i dont have salute so

i gotta just make it work

[mystic mango]

Unseen over boatman is a choice for sure though it is Eos I guess

Needs a gain but like not getting a gain R1 is an immediate reset unless you bring Hecuba

[spark crown]

i was told to use unseen

[flint widget]

eos is the only time i accept unseen over boatman

[spark crown]

it was by either @flint widget or @viral yew who said it

oh hi check

[mystic mango]

I mean I nearly cleared 62 surface first try without unseen on Eos so I think it works fine without it

Like dream dive you gotta just reset for a good R1 or you’re screwed

[flint widget]

its just convenient to have tbh

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1493884520112455833/image.png?ex=69e1e960&is=69e097e0&hm=a45c6ee51302ab1709706a1fba13fbe6e0862602e5b52d3e66ccb119f390ce05&

I was getting screwed by born gain though when Icarus hit me with the hordes 5 billion

[spark crown]

im done with dream dive im doing normal

[vernal quiver]

Weak 🥀

Grind 65 dream dive with me twin

[spark crown]

its 1am twin

and ive never cleared 60

but sure ill do a few after this run

eyyyy ive not lost my ability to do poly without dying

eris remains my ban

bane*

gonna do 1 65f dream dive

then sleep

yay thessaly.............

DID A SECOND ONE AND ROLLED TART

[vernal quiver]

Lmao

[opal pecan]

Rolling Tartarus r1 is a funni joak

[vernal quiver]

Honestly it's a hard reset until you see fields, luckily jpom hit doesnt feel like it matters assuming you get boons

[opal pecan]

At least Summit has boons?

[vernal quiver]

You wont get anything until twins/spawn assuming onion start 😭

[opal pecan]

Why's Fields specifically so desired, just cos the bonus rewards?

[flint widget]

cuz fields is the most chill starting region by far

[vernal quiver]

A bunch of major rewards, easier enemies, and artificer gets to have a field day

[flint widget]

rest is kinda ass

[vernal quiver]

Like ive left chamber 1 with 4 boons before

[opal pecan]

Huh, interesting, I hadn't thought of them as easier. Is it because of scaling or just

[vernal quiver]

You can get onion start into 2 boons chamber 1 and artificer a couple ash/bone and get more

[opal pecan]

Also, wait, how does Menace even work

[mystic mango]

Yeah boonless twins kicked my ass

[mystic mango]

Normal effect

[vernal quiver]

Whatever it'd be in a normal run

[mystic mango]

It just uses the normal pools

[opal pecan]

Ah, so it doesn't "predict" your next region, tragic 😆

[vernal quiver]

I wish it did lowkey but thatd also lead to some nasty enemies

[mystic mango]

Yeah no we aren’t getting horrors in Erebus screw that

[opal pecan]

Would have been funny

[vernal quiver]

Like imagine dracons or auto turrets in erebus

[mystic mango]

Horrors and stalkers in Erebus would be actual hell

[spark crown]

Most rewards easiest boss medium enemies

[mystic mango]

Fields enemies are pretty easy mechanically

And tons of space to run

[vernal quiver]

Best case is you go fields -> ephyra/erebus ->ephyra/erebus-> thessaly imho

[mystic mango]

Fields is very easy to just run away if you get overwhelmed

[spark crown]

Problem is when the punchy guys are max frenzy max pain with speed and Vortex fang perks

[mystic mango]

Yeahhhh we don’t talk about that lol

[vernal quiver]

Tart/summit is an honorable mention since high fear players already antler them but itll always be a gamble

Getting olympus at all might just be a run ender though icl they scale so hard and its already a slow region

[spark crown]

Olympus r2 is best bet if it's gonna show ngl

Earlier scaling and all

[opal pecan]

That's a good point about the boss too. I think I got r4 Cerb in my second attempt and was mildly apprehensive to see what scaled up Cerb was like, but it ended up being a doddle

(Though it's a bit of an unfair comparison to my first attempt, since that just had bad boon luck haha)

[vernal quiver]

Yeah but youll have like nothing and its olympus

Scaling regardless the enemies and room durations are a problem anyway

Like tbh olympus only feels doable if its r3/4 but once it hits there it scales really hard

[manic shuttle]

Cherished Heirloom doesn't refresh chrolex charges anymore

[opal pecan]

Didn't they fix that in an earlier patch or am I thinking something else

[manic shuttle]

Sadge

[opal pecan]

I know they fixed something to do with charges and leveling up

[vernal quiver]

Does it not refresh fang anymore either?? 😭

[spiral wadi]

i think calling card

[mystic mango]

Olympus R1/2 isn’t terrible compared to some other options

[opal pecan]

No, someone posted a Fang refresh screenie yesterday so that still works

[manic shuttle]

Nah it was working previous week

[spiral wadi]

all the cherished aura gone

[vernal quiver]

Ahh ok

[opal pecan]

I guess since Fang technically isn't "charges" of anything

[vernal quiver]

Well yeah its not summit or tart but it's pretty bad

[mystic mango]

Cherished does give retroactive sash armor though

[opal pecan]

Oh nice!

[mystic mango]

Cherished gives armor for every room you wore sash before getting cherished

[spiral wadi]

prob an EA thing with someone asking to make it do that

[opal pecan]

Wait Whoa! I thought you meant like giving you back the starting armor. You ALSO get all the room bonuses? Wild

[manic shuttle]

It used to give 250 magic with hecate keepsake

I wonder if it's still like that

[spiral wadi]

if only gift gift gift showed up in jpom runs that'd be cool i think

[mystic mango]

There’s a max armor challenge in the speedrun discord and somebody got 150 armor instantly from taking cherished in fields end shop after wearing sash for the full run

So it apparently also duplicates all location armor rewards

[spiral wadi]

it's not like jpom meta has gone 8 months with bugged ggg

[mystic mango]

Since they were on location 31

[opal pecan]

Incroyable

[mystic mango]

So it gave retroactive armor in addition to all already earned armor

[spiral wadi]

nutty silk

[mystic mango]

So they got 4 armor already from every room + 5 from cherished

So 9 per location

So technically the max armor Strat is to hit Cheirloom in tart end shop

[spark crown]

Statues shall carry

[fast prawn]

not really a build build but hel and essentially any attack boon is just lunar ray after you use your ospecial

and i'd love ideas for a build to expand on that

[mystic mango]

I MAY be wrong on that cause it may just give a flat armor then retroactive but I’m not sure

[viral yew]

Anything on hit, so pos attack, static shock, things like that

[mystic mango]

You have 2 options now. Poseidon attack and static shock and build into attack speed and Valkyrie

Other option is going for Helheim charge and taking a % attack boon

[frosty condor]

I don’t understand why I can’t beat top at 12 when I’ve done bottom at 16

[viral yew]

Surface is just harder

[frosty condor]

I am facing every “optional” boss at top before getting to the main guy

[viral yew]

If you don't get a good build setup in erebus you're gonna get shot

[frosty condor]

It’s not just 1 run the last 4 runs

[viral yew]

Have you made it to typhon yet?

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1493772574059008061/Hades_II_-_2026-04-14_7-38-42_PM.mp4?ex=69e229de&is=69e0d85e&hm=7ff17d2e90797688de5340f2652c8fc61a9ab185a9b3c55e621d43520bcc9704& @fast prawn

[frosty condor]

About 5 runs ago I did and ALMOST killed hik like I truly believe he was 2 shot

[mystic mango]

This was my literal first run with new Hel and didn’t get a % attack but got room 1 4 second Heph attack

[spiral wadi]

what is a parray

[frosty condor]

Now every “potential” boss is forced upon me in fighting the charger guy and the tail or eye bal before him

[viral yew]

Did he shoot eggs for a second time?

[mystic mango]

Never heard of her

[spiral wadi]

helheim is meta is peak

[frosty condor]

Yes he was blooded

[fast prawn]

oh my

[mystic mango]

Helheim is absurdly strong now

[viral yew]

Yes, you have to fight two minibosses before typhon

[mystic mango]

Only thing Helheim is bad for is fast enemies and large rooms

[frosty condor]

I didn’t the first run at 12

[viral yew]

Ok so you made it past about 65% health, what arcana and vows are you running

[viral yew]

How'd you manage that

[mystic mango]

That video was with keeping lavender dress from Arachne for 40% channel speed and an epic racing thoughts @fast prawn

[frosty condor]

Wait no I remember it was 2 it was just the twins so it wasn’t even a boss…damn

[viral yew]

Ah ok yeah

[frosty condor]

Now it’s the charge boy everytime

[viral yew]

You get either the twins or spawn of typhon, and then tail or eye

[frosty condor]

And I really don’t know why but the final girl keeps taking dead defiance when she never did before

It’s been 6 hours running top on 12

[viral yew]

What arcana and vows are you using

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1493838690634698803/1493840546102251651/image.png?ex=69e1c06c&is=69e06eec&hm=5ba98a776a835e87bb9933361452f11a0eb8aff6f925eb77f0f0445441ec7e84& @fast prawn

This is my new speed PB for Hel

[frosty condor]

I can’t send a photo

[viral yew]

Hold on i'll send you a website to use

[fast prawn]

FIVE MINUTES????

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/

[frosty condor]

Why can’t we can’t a photo within the discord?

[fast prawn]

my best is like 12 holy

[mystic mango]

My Hel is pushing up against my Moros, Mel skull, and Medea runs

[viral yew]

Welcome to speedruns lol

[mystic mango]

You have to send an image link in any chat other than Vic boasting since files aren’t allowed

[fast prawn]

let me enjoy my silly axe runs 😔

[viral yew]

I've gotten sub 7.30 on all aspects, but i've never been able to do sub 5

[mystic mango]

No clue why

I’ve not gotten a sub 5 though I’ve come close

[viral yew]

So yknow the whole adult film industry

[mystic mango]

I have ALMOST a sub 6 surface

[fast prawn]

i believe its because the permission for adding an image to a message also lets you add any file

[mystic mango]

6:06 WITH Charybdis and no mid shops

[viral yew]

My best surface is still 7.30 smth

[opal pecan]

I have no idea how to play Surface ngl

[fast prawn]

not 100% sure tho

[opal pecan]

Like, I'm not speedrunner fast but I got closer UW than I ever did on SF

[frosty condor]

In a “build chat” images not being allowed is dumb as hell

@viral yew https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMF0=

[mystic mango]

Images are files yeah

[viral yew]

Yeah ok vows are good

[mystic mango]

Reset if Charybdis unless you’re spiteful like me

[viral yew]

People abuse it

[opal pecan]

I do 😭

I haven't been able to get under 8min SF

[mystic mango]

My PB was with Charybdis, Aetos, no Mid shops, and tail

But I got wide grin p-array

So y’know

Let me grab my clip one second

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942118698008606/1493058494155198505/5FF6411.MP4?ex=69e233d4&is=69e0e254&hm=e1f3c5ee4c8fd0eaaa4d2a2805856c99b96f1834f26b62acf91b781b48e1e7a4&

I left hitch on cause dumb

But it gave me more damage on Talos, Charybdis and boar lol

[opal pecan]

Wait why you got Shadows on for Surface shdfgjfgh

[frosty condor]

@viral yew and the arcana?

[opal pecan]

Really out there with training weights strapped to your ankles

[mystic mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1493062079911956704/1C478C1.MP4?ex=69e2372b&is=69e0e5ab&hm=e1cb6d43cd473ef7cf2f7d08ee4f4c073463acc6f4b370b87681233f8d8bfc29&

36 second Typhon

4 seconds off world record apparently

[viral yew]

Same website

[mystic mango]

We love p-array slop 💔

[viral yew]

I would not be trusting my info

[frosty condor]

I did

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

There we go

[frosty condor]

I filled it out in the same website does the link not show you both

[mystic mango]

No I mean I’ve actually asked in speedrun discord

[viral yew]

Hats of to you then

[mystic mango]

Somebody said they got a 33 with Charon and I think somebody said record is 32

Wait actually let me grab the video they posted it

[frosty condor]

…can you see it or

[viral yew]

No

[frosty condor]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImMzIiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTAiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[viral yew]

Yeah ok I see why you're struggling

This is pretty bad

[frosty condor]

?

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMyMSIsImMyMiIsImMyNCJd

Use this, you need to have origination on

And swift runner is better in general than messenger

[mystic mango]

https://youtu.be/fVDCZ15Bol8

[opal pecan]

[distant shouting from corner of stadium] REROLL CORNER SUX

[mystic mango]

They got better eggs

[frosty condor]

Why? Not to disagree just to learn

[opal pecan]

And yes I mean this even without the endgame keepsakes

[magic grove]

its "" easy "" when you know the tricks

[viral yew]

Origination is a 50% damage buff to every single bit of damage you do

Every attack, special, omega, cast, boon, will do 50% more damage

And you can activate it with two boons from almost any gods

[mystic mango]

Genuinely no though like the skill requirement for sub-5 underworld is really tough

[final sedge]

I really wish we had a health bar

[magic grove]

yeah i know

[viral yew]

Don't get me started on the rng

[magic grove]

but like if you know the tricks its easy to get a general good time with a good weapon

consistently

then to get like sub6 its just a matter of optimizing your play and rng

[mystic mango]

Yeah I can get sub-7 basically every run now but sub-5 is ROUGH

[viral yew]

I find around 7-8 minutes to be the consistent fastest time on any given seed

[opal pecan]

I have pretty bad mechanical skill and I exclusively play coat, but even I can guarantee sub 8

[viral yew]

For any aspect at least

[opal pecan]

That is the power of knowing stuff

[fast prawn]

what aspect of coat?

[opal pecan]

Mel's my fave, but I also enjoy Selene (which many disdain 😆 )

[fast prawn]

ive been kinda hating coat since i unlocked it so id love to know what is fun

[viral yew]

99% of this game is knowledge tbf

[fast prawn]

i c

[opal pecan]

Most people like Nyx

[magic grove]

yeah that's what i meant like, with the basic knowledge of the right arcanas and knowning how to build and what keepsakes to use and to always get free rooms you can improve your time a lot

[opal pecan]

I just like that Mel is fast and straightforward and reliable

And it's pretty flexible about what build you slap on it

[mystic mango]

Nyx isn’t as good for speedrunning since the aspect requires the omega charge which loses time except on bigger encounters

[magic grove]

nyx is the most fun imo

[opal pecan]

WRT the fun question, yeah

But like, it's really up to you? Some people really love Shiva (cough)

[magic grove]

just activate nightspawn and get poseidon on special ggs

[mystic mango]

I liked Hel before Helheim charge got giga buffed into a near mandatory hammer

[magic grove]

its crazy to think oattack hel is viable

[mystic mango]

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/2748499656?desktop-redirect=true

Very viable

One-shotting every siren at once is insane

But also Helheim is amazing for high fear too now since it kills through wards and is safer than before

If your third hit does enough damage on its own Helheim is effectively a one-shot through wards

[frosty condor]

@viral yew what build do I force than

Because I can’t do it

[viral yew]

Which aspect do u want to use

[frosty condor]

The torches

[viral yew]

Mel, eos, moros, hidden, which one

[frosty condor]

The one that summons a spinning orb maybe idk what the best one is

And I don’t have hidden one

[viral yew]

Moros is the strongest, if you want to go with that

[frosty condor]

What hex

[viral yew]

Ignore hexes, take hera special, and apollo attack

Or aphro

[frosty condor]

Ignore hexes that’s how I do my damage

[viral yew]

Hexes are buns and an unnecessary crutch

[frosty condor]

Hera special?

[viral yew]

Yes

[frosty condor]

Idk what what is

The ? Is for elaboration

[opal pecan]

They're hot cross buns

[viral yew]

Hera. The goddess

[frosty condor]

Yes you say special attack. Oh you mean the boon for special

[viral yew]

Wife of zeus

Boon for special yes

[frosty condor]

I thought you meant some special attack

[viral yew]

Sorry my bad

Take hera boon for special

And apollo or Aphrodite boon for attack

[frosty condor]

What if they don’t appear

[bronze flax]

You can take anything for Moros, really, it's just that good

[frosty condor]

I can’t get hem rank 5

[opal pecan]

Double Aphrodite on special and attack :B

[viral yew]

Use keepsakes to force them

[viral yew]

Doesn't really matter

[frosty condor]

So they are not lingering on smell

Skelly

So I don’t understand how to force them to explode

[magic grove]

do omega spciial first, then just hold the attack button

when the omega special ends you do another one

[wild drift]

Yeah that ^, you can also hold down attack then charge at the lingering ghosts and do a normal special

[frosty condor]

I can’t do this set up I don’t have 30 hand grip

[viral yew]

How much do you have

[frosty condor]

29

I don’t know how to get darkness crystal

[viral yew]

Take off swift runner then

[viral yew]

You need to keep talking to chaos

[frosty condor]

Oh…I never go into the gates

Last thing your setup shows the moon but how

[viral yew]

You need to

[frosty condor]

Because you need something under it

[viral yew]

It shouldn't, just a bug in the website

[frosty condor]

I already can’t win on 5 death defianxe I’m not taking damage

I don’t like loosing health going in and than being handicapped harder

[viral yew]

If you want darkness that's what you need to do

[frosty condor]

29 is fine

[viral yew]

Alrighty

[ancient scroll]

why does 32 fear in h2 feel wayyy easier than 32 heat in h1

[opal pecan]

More vows to select from, some of the more BS/RNG ones were removed or changed.

Also Mel is 💪

[verbal whale]

Hades 2 in general lets you make stronger builds than h1, and fear was balanced to be easier than heat overall.

[magic grove]

boons are better

i would say 50~ish fear is close to 32fear in hades 1

[past lynx]

What keepsakes are you guys running on your bread & butter build? Like my go-to was White Antler to Luckier Tooth to Glass Onion

But I feel like I’m not running the Optimal Keepsakes/Arcane with my kit

Needless to say I’m a damn amateur

[opal pecan]

People who like Antler usually run it at the end in order to maximize the use they get out of it

(hee, I bet Dora would enjoy watching Glass Onion)

I personally am usually running jpom -> fig leaf -> hammer/watch/card/whatever -> fang

[past lynx]

Do you mind explaining what jpom means, sorry 🤦🏼‍♂️

I am still picking up the lingo

[verbal whale]

Jpom is an endgame keepsake you will get after finishing the story, it stands for ||Jeweled Pom. ||

[flint widget]

jeweled pom

[opal pecan]

Yeah, this chat is all spoilers allowed, so there may be references to endgame content

[past lynx]

Sorry, but for the Metallic Droplet Keepsake - “You move, strike, and Channel 20% faster for the next 200 Sec.”. To me that sounds completely useless, no?

[opal pecan]

If you level it up it goes to 300s iirc

[past lynx]

No worries I assume spoilers will be around no matter what I do.

That doesn’t seem very useful if it never activates after that.

[opal pecan]

It's enough time to get through a region!

[past lynx]

man I have a lot to learn

[opal pecan]

Aspects that benefit heavily from channel speed can get good use out of it in the final region, on the "bring your biggest guns against the final boss" principle. Sometimes people trying to go fast also put it on in the Mourning Fields in order to traverse the big maps more quickly.

[verbal whale]

The timer pauses more often than one would assume.

[opal pecan]

I know that Mean Streak ignores IGT pauses; I can never remember if Droplet does

[flint widget]

plus if ur running no fw then u can gift x3 droplet which is cracked

[verbal whale]

I don't know if it does actually.

[opal pecan]

I know I've asked about it before but I can't remember 😩

The times I equip it, I just act as though it's like Mean Streak, just in case 😂

[past lynx]

fw?

[opal pecan]

Fates' Whim, a reference to the aforementioned endgame keepsakes

[past lynx]

ah gotcha

Thank you 🙏

[final sedge]

if you don't have jpom, sorry you got spoiled.... 😬

[opal pecan]

BTW, has anyone experimented thoroughly with the fixed/reworked Winner's Circle?

[final sedge]

I’m sure everyone knows it already, but Hestia’s fire away legendary now requires attack special or cast, so you can unlock it and still have another cast now as long as you have hestia attack or special and the other things that unlock it

[warm helm]

It's goated

Actually so fricking good

[opal pecan]

I assume for the stuff that pulses, it speeds up the pulses now

[warm helm]

Just imagine Storm ring being 60% faster

[opal pecan]

Is it??

[wheat plover]

how much of the cast does maimed cast(chaos boon) cover?

does the damage boost apply to stuff like Cut Above or the blade rift ability?

[opal pecan]

No

[wheat plover]

its only the omega?

[opal pecan]

It should theoretically also increase the damage of your cast itself if it has a damaging core boon

(In the case of Smoulder Ring, it increases the amount of Scorch applied)

I know there's some kind of a bug with one of the cast damage increasing bonuses, but idr whether it's all cast stuff or just the Well item or what, hence "theoretically"

[split igloo]

if there's a bug we should report it while they're still patching the game, I reported the tough gain bug yesterday, it will hopefully get fixed

[solemn carbon]

What’s the tough gain bug?

[split igloo]

#h2-tech-support message

[solemn carbon]

Oh right. I wonder if that’s true for any other non-pommable boons currently

Does anyone know exactly how deflect actually works

like, if an enemy attacks and hits a deflect projectile, they take the damage of their own attack right? Or just the projectile damage

And if the attack hits you as well as the deflect projectile (phalanx shot), will it still do damage to you or is the attack nullified?

[spiral wadi]

there's like no reason to patch it out but ok

[spiral wadi]

if u deflect a projectile, it'll instead hurt enemies ye, the problem is that if the projectile splits into more projectles it still counts as enemy's projectile hitting u anyway

this is especially possible vs typhon's eye shot

[solemn carbon]

deflect also reflects melee attacks right

Or is it just nullifies the damage you take

[spiral wadi]

deflect just gives more iframes, not deflect melee but does block

[solemn carbon]

Literally no idea what the point of phalanx shot over dash would be then

Like it deflects projectiles in a line in front of you and doesn’t provide frames? 🖼️

[spiral wadi]

for phalanx just pure projectiles i figure

since dash/mental block actually gives u a literal deflect status effect it gives more iframes then

[opal pecan]

That's been known forever, if they haven't patched it they're probably not gonna

The cast damage thing I mentioned is also something that somebody else brought up, so I'm sure that also has been reported

[spiral wadi]

i'd also get pissed if they patched tough gain leveling out but gift gift gift remains bugged

[solemn carbon]

what is gift3 again?

[opal pecan]

The Echo thing with the keepsakes

[spiral wadi]

echo can dupe ur keepsake for the next region

[solemn carbon]

Yo what I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that

[spiral wadi]

i think it's a thing she reveals after u bond with her more

[opal pecan]

Her "legendary" equivalent?

[spiral wadi]

ye

[split igloo]

idk, the devs have been very active these last few days, I'm not gonna miss my chance to report all the bugs I know lol

[solemn carbon]

I don’t have her maxed but I have her ending with narcisssus finished

[opal pecan]

When I say forever I mean possibly before the launch of the game

[spiral wadi]

i did also see anchors continue to ignore hitstun this patch

and corrosion still triggers enemies to go aggro in thessaly if auto seeker is in the room

[opal pecan]

Just send the bingo card lmao

[split igloo]

well it's a massive game, who knows they might've overlooked it, tough gain was originally pommable from what I've heard, so they just forgot to disable sacfice levels most likely

[solemn carbon]

Isn’t that just them being big tanky boys

[spiral wadi]

honestly i should just make like an actual doc

[spiral wadi]

nah they're normally only supposed to ignore hitstun if their anchor is on the ground or armored

[opal pecan]

It has not been an obscure bug, people have been talking about it and making gimmick videos about it and all that

[spiral wadi]

but i've had cases where they (anchors) just straight up don't care

also saccing tough gain is a banger move that should stay

[split igloo]

well no harm done, we'll see if they patch it

and if they do patch it, you guys know whom to blame lmao

[spiral wadi]

i'll prob actually make like a full doc of every bug so far

[split igloo]

Hades 1 has a lot of bugs that never got fixed, like all the Beowulf bugs, it'd be a shame if 2 ends up the same way, is all I'm saying

[spiral wadi]

i did see they fixed the hecate clone rings expanding during phase transition, it wasn't in the patch notes but they did fix it

huge fix tbh tbh

music in dream world has been weird, sometimes the way it plays doesn't match how it should normally play in a standard run

[solemn carbon]

Is it intended that you can’t use the gorgon amulet if you have already seen Athena on Olympus

Like if you use it first you can potentially get 2 Athena boons but I just realised it’s locked in my keepsake list at the end of Olympus despite not having used it

[split igloo]

that's intended, Athena is one of those once-per-run gods, like Artemis and Dio

but I wonder, can you double tap them with Echo's stone? anyone try that?

[solemn carbon]

But you can get her twice!

if you use gorgon amulet in 1st or 2nd zone

[split igloo]

huh really?

[solemn carbon]

she still has a chance of showing up in Olympus

but if you see her in Olympus you cannot use gorgon amulet for summit

I wonder if it’s always locked while you are in the Olympus zone in general?

[split igloo]

honestly I never bothered taking the gorgon amulet on a surface run

[solemn carbon]

Before jpom I would sometimes start with it

I rarely never take it on a dates whim run for obvious reasons

[split igloo]

everyone's running jpom while the Hades 1 meta was god keepsakes + a lot of re-rolls

I should make a re-roll focused arcana build and give it a try, is it really that much worse

[solemn carbon]

Reroll is good and was the meta before jpom

I honestly think Jpom should be 2 poms not 4

It’s so hard to give up jpom when it stacks up to SO many room rewards worth so quickly

[split igloo]

it's 3 poms, boons start at level 1

[solemn carbon]

Ah right

Honestly even 1 pom per boon is a strong upgrade

like that is effectively a pom slice or better in EVERY boon room

[split igloo]

the first game's jpom equivalent was mom's keepsake which pommed random boons every 4 encounters, it was good but not as game changing as jpom

[solemn carbon]

it’s the consistency of jpom that’s just crazy

Especially on the surface where you have way more control over your boons in ephyra

[shadow willow]

If we do go fates whim with jpom do we take calling card/watch at all?

[austere trail]

watch yes, calling card eh

[south copper]

I like calling card lol
Watch if you low on gold

I pretty much always go pom, card, echo stone, knuckle bones now.

[solemn carbon]

Is Aspect of pan + Poseidon still cooked or is there a better special for it now

[bronze flax]

Wait, is it bugged? How?

I suppose the fact I haven't seen it in forever is the bug, now I took more than two seconds in thinking about it

[split igloo]

that was nerfed ages ago

[solemn carbon]

What’s good now then? Scorch?

[split igloo]

pan is kinda meh now, you basically never want to use the omega special

you still take poseidon I believe, but I don't play pan

[solemn carbon]

I just cleared with Poseidon special + dancing knives + twilight curse hex with “enemies appear in cast circle” and it felt amazing even with the internal cooldown

[split igloo]

in Early Access Pan o spec was crazy with twice as many knives all charging near instantly

[solemn carbon]

Yeah without the sudden charge on omega it’s sad. Does Zeus chain lightning have an internal cooldown? That could maybe still work with it

but yeah just cause it’s not broken anymore doesn’t mean it’s bad

But maybe I just hate knives they are easily my least enjoyed weapon

I thought maybe morrigan would be good but it feels so slow for knives despite the insane damage, so I end up eating hits

[spiral wadi]

honestly it's not the charging on pan that's the issue it's the fact that u have to stand still to get all the knives out now

it's actually impossible to get ET value in high fear LOL

[solemn carbon]

Et value?

[spiral wadi]

exceptional talent, apollo's x2 omega legendary

it literally demands u stand still for twice as long

also this damn certificate getting in the way of me entering dreams

why is it there

[solemn carbon]

Oh yeah that’s how I feel about glorious disaster with frenzy on too

[spiral wadi]

yea gd has just been historically ass

[solemn carbon]

Or that hammer on staff for charging omega bigger

I feel like glorious disaster only works with Frost ring and that’s a big ask for specific boons

[solemn carbon]

It’s a legendary they should just make you omega cast +30 mana but launch twice without a change to channelling imo

[spiral wadi]

nah i mean

it automatically does make it double w

[solemn carbon]

Like we already have a staff hammer that does that for less cost

[spiral wadi]

the standing still part is after you fire

[solemn carbon]

oh you are locked into the animation again?

[spiral wadi]

nah u can dash out but then u don't get the ospec knives out

so that extra time you spent charging ospec? wasted

[solemn carbon]

Ohhhh

[spiral wadi]

picked up ET? now you're forced to spend 30 magick on something that won't come out

[solemn carbon]

So it’s good on other weapons

[spiral wadi]

picked up premium service? yea charge longer and stand still for longer dumbass

[solemn carbon]

just had on knives

[spiral wadi]

premium should work like hidden where u just get more knives automatically

or just make it so pan doesn't force u to stand still during fire like old times

[solemn carbon]

yeah like. I rarely finish charging knife special or axe attack

and I rarely finish axe omega without cancelling it early anyway

[spiral wadi]

ye optimal pan rn is just not charging fully or using hidden to not have to charge as long

well "optimal" as in actually using pan

[tough torrent]

Dont forget knife o attack has a lunge so you can be relatively far away

[spiral wadi]

cuz yknow trick knives exists

[solemn carbon]

yeah but quickest way to proc is special while dashing ->dash attack into charge the omega attack, special as omega attack is done and repeat while dashing to next enemy

[tough torrent]

You can even get cheeky and be out of range so that when a melee enemy tries to lunge at you they fall short and you can uno reverse them

[spiral wadi]

morrigan triad tech is fun

[tough torrent]

Morrigan is my favorite aspect by a lot

Triad is fun to use for me, and also it kind of RNG proofs your zone 1

[solemn carbon]

I probably just need to practice

[tough torrent]

Because with triad and nearly any gain you have enough damage for the zone 1 boss on either side

[solemn carbon]

I also really suck with Artemis aspect because I keep trying to parry again when I haven’t got it back

[tough torrent]

Haven't played new patch yet

Maybe some day

[solemn carbon]

I feel like I’ve slept on tranquil gain

Stopping feels bad but it’s less time than most omegas for full mana, you control when yoi dotn want to be full for huntress, and it’s less time consuming than say, dashing for the zeus orb

its still easily one of the worst gains but with fates whim sometimes you take what you can get and it serves its purpose

[tough torrent]

Its good if you are jpom

Not great but good

[solemn carbon]

Yeah I never really used it before jpom

[tough torrent]

If you dont have jpom then its unpickable at common or uncommon

At purple epic with no jpom its like. Okay

[solemn carbon]

I feel like it’s actually potentially good on some builds if you get that hestia Hera one that makes your mana gain burn everyone around you

like spam your mana, stand on typhoons face for 0.75 second, dodge, repeat

[solemn carbon]

Does rising helix have any effect on regular torch specials

Or is it pretty much only an effect on the omega

[bronze flax]

It has an effect on Special, yes

[viral yew]

If the description says 'Specials' (plural)' it means omega and normal, if it says 'Special' (non plural), just means normal special, and doesn't affect omegas