#h2-builds-and-combat

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steel sequoia
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it is not, staff is the worst aspect and i do not like skulls

sage flame
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Haha! Yes!

limpid coral
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exactly!

cunning pollen
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They were a game too early for the vibes

spare kite
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I hope they come up with a similar guide for h2

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The axe guide did recommend pos boons btw

limpid coral
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fill every column with hera demeter heph

cunning pollen
limpid coral
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holy can u link it

sage flame
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he's just so charming :) gotta put him on everything

spare kite
cunning pollen
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Heph on blades attack, demeter on special

steel sequoia
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somestuff must be outdated but jeez, recommending pos is bouldy

sage flame
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I know these guide creators can't spend that much time on each game but like man

limpid coral
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guides get clicks

cunning pollen
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Mighty glacier! recommends Poseidon

spare kite
sage flame
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look at us, all clicking

limpid coral
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wait real

spare kite
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Other recommendations are
Hephaestus blasts good
Zeus can work
Aphro not worth it
Hestia-hera bad

limpid coral
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if you play at 0 fear that is good

sage flame
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I mean the logic is there I guess

cunning pollen
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Apollo in the corner hearing about additional reach, cooking up a plague on guide writers

spare kite
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And the usual charon + apollo cast (which they haven't updated for patch 3 I believe?)

steel sequoia
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yeah 0 fear anything is good tbh, you can play beach ball and win

limpid coral
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i know but they clicked it on 0 and saw it was cool so they put it in lul

sage flame
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wait there's a gem

steel sequoia
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welp, sorry for the people who read that and arent here with the goats MelGrin

sage flame
limpid coral
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that looks ai generated, genuinely

cunning pollen
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Yeah, there are like 4 contradictions in a single sentence

sage flame
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actually wild

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and guys, artemis is ONLY good for Thanatos axe

cunning pollen
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Absolutely willing to believe it's an LLM

limpid coral
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I love capitalism I love quickly written slop meant solely to drive ad revenue

sage flame
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also they mentioned apollo sprint as good for the build because it "Increasing your movement with this heavy weapon will make you a slippery foe and compensate for any lost time while using a combo attack." as if equipping the axe makes you walk slower

cunning pollen
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This person, if real, has not played the game, I'm 75% certain

spare kite
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The torches guide does recommend oonga boonga moros at least

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intended playstyle is setting up ghosts then boom but as a riskier alternative...

limpid coral
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if they intended setting up ghosts why is it still so jank 🙃 unlucky

bronze stream
sage flame
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I mean probably

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robots mans gotta eat

cunning pollen
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I mean, it genuinely did not take me a ton of time to see a number of decent beginner-intermediate level synergies when I started

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Also the Chaos trials are right there, just steal those setups!

limpid coral
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get 1000 max hp 👍

cunning pollen
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Always a worthy goal

steel sequoia
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shivers me remembering the trial of haste

civic ocean
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I'll get back to guide writing after I'm done messing around at 50/55

tall notch
limpid coral
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unfortunately the guide says wave strike to make enemies go away

tall notch
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Chat GPT might be onto something here

limpid coral
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so true

tall notch
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Actually I want to try and get AI to recommend me boons

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For maybe 32/40f

civic ocean
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If the guide is for players who aren't playing under any sort of time pressure then "wave strike knocks enemies further away from you" would be pretty beneficial, no?

tall notch
civic ocean
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That's why games like these you have to be very specific about what you're writing for - 0/8/16/24/32/40/47/50 all have different little intricacies and things, and also advice that helps someone looking to clear 32 Fear once is gonna be different than someone looking to clear it on every weapon/aspect/etc

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Like if I only wanna beat 32 Fear once then running Fury 2 is probably stupid

tall notch
civic ocean
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Hera's what

tall notch
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"Regal Regeneration: Your Magick regenerates faster. This allows you to use your abilities more frequently, maintaining high damage output and versatility in combat."

limpid coral
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yo sgg take notes

vale gate
vale gate
random rover
civic ocean
random rover
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Yes

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But the attack is still coming out

cunning pollen
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You can, I've been using this for a while

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Casting before the animation completes slightly speeds it up

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But you can also cast and dash which makes the third strike safer

radiant stirrup
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sometimes you end the run feeling confused as to why you got no good boons, and sometimes you casually pull 3 duos

steel sequoia
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3-4 duos is easier than 1 specific duo/legendary imo

timber gazelle
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They should really buff the queen so its legendaries and duos like in 1, I swear I've seen like 4 legendaries total and its never really something I can build around

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"I wanna do a heph legendary run" "Alright do like 20 runs in a row and maybe 2 of them it'll show up"

uneven palm
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Yeah legendaries are a scam except for the one time I got Heph’s in Oceanus and it gave me hope

tall notch
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What is this "legendary" thing you people are talking about?

steel sequoia
civic ocean
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you just like never get it

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I feel like the legendary that I get offered most often now has to be Close Call by a longshot right

civic ocean
radiant stirrup
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I imagine its not a very good combo

civic ocean
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Its either very bad or very good

radiant stirrup
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freezer burn removes all scorch, so theres no scorch to keep applying with hot flash

civic ocean
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Hot flash says that scorch doesn't get removed from weakened enemies right

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So does hot flash stop freezer burn from removing the scorch but still deals the damage, or not

radiant stirrup
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I think it just says it doesnt run out when enemies are weak

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"While foes are Weak, any Scorch they have does not diminish as it deals damage."

civic ocean
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Yeah so proooobably not

radiant stirrup
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but freezer burn removes all scorch, so theres nothing for hot flash to interact with

civic ocean
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Unless "remove all

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is coded to be a form of "diminish"

radiant stirrup
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I doubt it

civic ocean
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Seems unlikely yeah

radiant stirrup
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I would either take demeter OR aphrodite, not both

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for the torches at least

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the build is kind of fluid depending on what gods you get. but the gods I try to get are zeus or poseidon, hestia, aphrodite or demeter

uneven palm
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Hot Flash at that point is helping you build up scorch stacks before deleting them with FB, since Scorch isn’t ticking down

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I think I’ve got ‘em both in this run https://youtu.be/jsqXKVvOBic?si=iDajGBf-VsqMPF52

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Hades 2 (Early Access Patch 4) Aspect of Thanatos 32 Fear Flamin' Axe

Hestia attack on the axe looks rad, but is it good? Maybe it is??!

I've been ignoring Hestia since Patch 1 when Scorch was horrible, so I'm trying to rectify that.

This seems workable?! An Omega attack in Erebus will either outright kill or apply enough Scorch that you can tend to other matters, so you zip through there. Add Demeter and you sc...

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dapper hill
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does demeters cyclone cast boon mean you cant get poseidons geyser?

steel sequoia
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i think geyser only doesnt work with flare and Rousing Reception if im not mistaken

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i mean you can pick geyser and flare but you will not have any fun

gilded trail
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I didn't play H2 for a couple of days and just saw that steam had updated it yesterday. Did anything change or is it just steam being steam? I don't see new patch notes
(FWIW I did update and play since the 7/16 udpate)

timber gazelle
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I heard its just localization stuff, no gameplay changes

silent crow
uneven palm
magic moss
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sheet has been updated for today

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we are at 132 unique clears now smoggers

tall notch
midnight bone
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I finally started playing without god mode 😩

pine wind
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Is it possible to get 3 Hermes boons?

vale gate
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i really dont get high feaar do you really have to play hitless until you put on pin?

past salmon
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No

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Especially not after the suffering changes

vale gate
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i keep losing a dd every 3 encounters

past salmon
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Well play a little more hitless than you currently are

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Or like, get arctic ring/heph boons

vale gate
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dont want to crutch on boons

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i guess it will take time to get gud

past salmon
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Just play boonless fr fr

vale gate
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if you only lost 1 dd do you take echo dd or evade?

civic ocean
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You do have to like

Not get hit that often

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Like its not easy lol

midnight bone
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😂 ikr?

vale gate
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i usually do not know how i die

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*get hit

midnight bone
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can confirm

vale gate
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i only kind of figure out with the damage numbers

midnight bone
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got hit and died

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ok but like I'm starting to get the hang of Erebus and Oceanuswithout God mode so... progress is being made😂

limpid coral
gloomy imp
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Me when I remember I don't have stubborn defiance on in this game

vale gate
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me when i do remember and die anyway

gloomy imp
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Might be just me but I feel like Hades 2 has a bigger focus on actually avoiding damage while in Hades 1 I felt like a lot of times you had no choice but to soak some damage, especially with stuff like BP2

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Fortunately Hades 2 elites don't suck as much either

past salmon
gloomy imp
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Suffering exists because of that

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Idk if this game will get something like benefits package but I hope it's not as bad 💀

vale gate
limpid coral
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You tell me

vale gate
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i think it is good because it regen my mana

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for pos sprint

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i did it again, i think thats a sign of improvement

midnight bone
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lmao listen, the good thing about Hades is that every time you lose, you gain something

tall notch
past salmon
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Oh how are you getting to armoured enemies without a proper boon

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Oh early chaos? Yeah don't do that bouldy

vale gate
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???? 😭 so i used phase shift just as chronos disk throw animation started and the hex animation locked me in place , and apparently i was standing right where it would come out

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so it just hit me 3 times in a row

tall notch
bright token
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wait what does early chaos do?

limpid coral
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it counts as a major find so instead of 2 majors rooms 2-5 u get 1

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i think if u get major room 2 (uncommon) and then chaos after room 2 it's good?

bright token
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oh didn't know that. that sucks

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still for some builds it can be very good

limpid coral
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what are these so called builds

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if you get early chaos you do not have boons there is no build bouldy

tall notch
past salmon
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Chaos is best on Magick weapons and Magick weapons want their gain more than they want Chaos

Just don't take Chaos before your first boon.

vale gate
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do u take dashing heave on than

tall notch
vale gate
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i think ive been boatmanized

tired fulcrum
tall notch
steel sequoia
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bouldy .

uneven palm
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Yes more boatman believers

vale gate
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nah just spent 7 rolls across the first two boons (both hera) and did not get attack

sage flame
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YES boatman is the way

civic ocean
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What is the alternative to boatman

gloomy imp
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Death

civic ocean
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Im currently not doing origination on moros attempts but that also feels wack

tall notch
uneven palm
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Like Moros is so strong that it doesn’t NEED need Origination. At least while Huntress is doing work for it

bright token
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and also since you dont care about magick a lot more options have not impactful downside

past salmon
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you sure could take R1 Chaos, get +42% attack damage and then not get your +60% minimum Hera attack with hitch until Miniboss
That is a thing you could do
if you felt like it

tall notch
past salmon
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or hey
YOu can take early chaos
Get offered absolutely nothing of value
And then wonder why tf you are doing this

Early Chaos is just bad

bright token
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no you are wrong
you get offered absolutely nothing, spend 6 reroll and still get nothing

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that's the right sequence

tall notch
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I love the "+100% resources" boon, very useful at 50f

civic ocean
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past salmon
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No Sorceress Moros feels pretty bad

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Much harder to fit your O-Spec in

tall notch
bright token
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yeah i just did moros run with money instead of origination. dmg is overkill most of the time anyway

past salmon
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Abandon is unfortunately just unfun

Although tbh my only issue with Abandon is the lack of rerolls

tall notch
past salmon
limpid coral
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Modpack when

bright token
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abandon needs to be deleted change my mind
i see no excuse to have a vow that blocks the main meta progression mechanic of the game, it just feels bad to play. you want to play max or close to max fear as a pinnacle challenge, as the final step of the way. and giving up the meta progression is strange

tall notch
bright token
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maybe have three steps of reducing grasp by 6 or smth, each costing 2 fear

past salmon
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idk I think the challenge level of 55F is fine
tbh I would be kinda disappointed if the hardest challenge in the game was just 50F with like 12 grasp or smth

soft forge
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Gosh dang the no-arcana thing is tough. Lemme try a run without it and see how I do. Tryna do the 32 Fear run to unlock the last statue from Schele.

past salmon
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I would grind 55F out if SGG just made it so your first Major find offered will always have your keepsake god on it
That is literally the only thing I would need to convince me to do it lol

limpid coral
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there is truly a huge difference between hard thing that game tracks and hard thing that game does not track

past salmon
tall notch
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soft forge
soft forge
past salmon
uneven palm
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Yeah it’s a huge pain that’s why we don’t do it haha

limpid coral
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Abandon 32 is doable the same way 51 is doable bouldy

soft forge
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But I am intending to maybe do an ALL THE FEAR run. Or maybe all the fear except the timer. I hate the timer.

tall notch
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If that thing added 15 fear I still wouldn't click it for 32f

past salmon
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Abandon 32 isnt that bad I did Abandon 40 a while ago and it was pretty easy
Turns out when you can just turn off 15 Fear points it isnt too bad

soft forge
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Anyone know how much the timer adds?

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tall notch
past salmon
uneven palm
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Like hmm should I make things more expensive and bosses a little tankier or literally lose all my power

soft forge
soft forge
past salmon
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yeh

past salmon
soft forge
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Hmmmmmm. Could do the 7-minute timer. And drop one of the other cheap ones to get to 51. Why are folks stuck on 51?

past salmon
tall notch
limpid coral
past salmon
soft forge
limpid coral
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show us how its done, trench man

soft forge
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Whaddya mean 'abandon is free'? I think this is a phrase I do not know.

tall notch
soft forge
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Statues first. Then everything else.

past salmon
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Fellas have yall considered simply not getting hit

limpid coral
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Abandon is free if you simply d̸̀͘ô̶̌ǹ̸̒'̶̃̂t̸̀̾ ̷̛̐g̷͗̂ȅ̵̍t̴̿̉ ̶͒̈́h̷͐̽it

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past salmon
bright token
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i havent played the first game, only know bits about it

tall notch
soft forge
past salmon
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Made bosses harder
Different Arenas/Attack Patterns/Gave Dad an extra phase @bright token \

soft forge
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Just don't be where the damage is. Easy peasy, right?! has died like 20 times in a row trying to do the no-arcana thing

bright token
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nice, that's what i'm talking about

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do that, then add couple of things like "X traps in each room" and mob hp regen, and then delete abandon zagluv

limpid coral
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traps triggering suffering but not actually doing increased damage is one of the patches of all time

past salmon
past salmon
limpid coral
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1!

soft forge
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I hate the traps and hazards with a passion. 2nd realm in Hades 1 annoyed me so much with the lava.

limpid coral
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i walk into steam and it says 1! i walk into tart laser and it says 5! idk

soft forge
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And the water realm in Hades 2 is similarly irksome. And the dang laser beams in Chronos' Tartarus.

limpid coral
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now if only erebus had a little trap to dodge the 70!

bright token
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well it's just an option. i don't think bear traps in tart are bad for instance, the spewing pipes are also alright

past salmon
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Bear traps?

limpid coral
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spiky square

past salmon
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sir that is not a bear trap 😭

bright token
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the floor things, i have no idea what to call them lol

limpid coral
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Spikes 👍

spare kite
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We should get the 150 dmg traps back

past salmon
bright token
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water

tall notch
soft forge
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Is there a particular weapon+trinket combo that is considered good for the no-Arcana Fear thing?

bright token
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steam is kinda annoying and covers too much

limpid coral
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120? what is doing 120

past salmon
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ahh yes i love the water ones
They push an armoured spindle to murder me

tall notch
past salmon
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😭

limpid coral
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Maaaaan

bright token
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how about a vow that gives erebus +1 location? evil laughter

limpid coral
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Steam tickles you and cooks fish. I like

gloomy imp
limpid coral
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What if depression gas inflicted a damage debuff

spare kite
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Grandpa should bring the hades pots back

gloomy imp
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Erebus should get more traps, like falling boulders, darts, spike pits

limpid coral
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every erebus room just look for a banshee or trap to tank suffering

bright token
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"location has 3 traps from the next region"
then you enter the small square in oceanus with double boon hestia and demeter and get 3 depression traps

limpid coral
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trials without patch 3 er bouldy

tall notch
gloomy imp
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If we got 400% trap damage back and put suffering 2 on top of it that'd be funny

past salmon
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500!

soft forge
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Hoo boy that was rough. Beat Hecate on 32 Fear but it took all my death defiance.

spare kite
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Hope doesn't die until you reach echo

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Or pray to narcissus

soft forge
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I lost 2 just getting there. I gotta rework my Fear selections. Too much damage and enemies too fast. Maybe reduce their HP? I like using the axe because CHOP.

limpid coral
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is the joke that u have abandon and have no dd

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oh lol

spare kite
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What even is your full vow set up

tall notch
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They clicked onion didn't they bouldy

past salmon
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based

bright token
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Btw you can get a dd from narc on abandon, right? Can you get it from the final shop too?

limpid coral
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free vows are like fury 2 timer 2 arrogance 4 forsaking 2 revenants 1 scars 2 dominance 3 destitution 2 panic on manaless

past salmon
soft forge
limpid coral
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uh i remember being unable to pick up that little dd circle from nem in patch 1

spare kite
past salmon
limpid coral
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holy moly please don't click commotion 3 blood 5 suffering 4 on 32f

spare kite
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You could probably pick it if you have tooth, use it then get narcissus

limpid coral
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like just take timer 2

past salmon
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please stop calling vows based on their worth while simultaneously doing it based on tier die wtf 😭

limpid coral
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Oop

past salmon
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stick to one

limpid coral
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U see if I say timer 3 everyone reads it as 5min timer

past salmon
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THATS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS

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Literally everyone in the universe will reference vows by their tier not their worth
Please start doing it too 😭

limpid coral
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I'm just used to slicendice where we call stuff by curse points bouldy

past salmon
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you also said Fury 2
You are actually trying to be confusing as possible thats crazy

gloomy imp
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EM10

limpid coral
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Lol

soft forge
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Hmmmmm one more try and then Imma leave it for the time being.

limpid coral
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Im typing on a phone in bed Im not thinking maaan

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Anyway commotion blood suffering are like some of the worst curses pls do not click max of them

tall notch
soft forge
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Imma go back to doing the no-Arcana.

limpid coral
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Take 7min timer and put a sticky note over the screen. Free 3 points

tall notch
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Your no timer pact stresses me out 😭

past salmon
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literally do what die said and just chuck a sticky note there if the reason is that "it stresses you out"
I guarantee you don't lose to timer 1 😭

limpid coral
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Then u get to turn off commotion and u are much happier

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Commotion 3 is actually just big sad

soft forge
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Currently it is: Blood, Dominance, Fury, Commotion,Wandering, Panic, Forsaking, Arrogance, Abandon.

past salmon
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actually no suffering
Fake 42F or smth
idk

tall notch
soft forge
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In my limited experience, it seems to be that getting to 16 Fear is easy peasy (relatively). But after 16 you gotta start taking properly detrimental ones. And it's a matter of preference. Except for the Arcana one. That is me making my life harder on purpose.

limpid coral
past salmon
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also no destitution because????

soft forge
past salmon
limpid coral
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some curses are worth more than their points on average. Like they will straight up cost you more hp for the same amount of fear

soft forge
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I do like the incredibly variable difficulty that the game offers with the Oath.

past salmon
soft forge
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AHHHHH I best Hecate with 2 hp left and 23 seconds to go. I do not like the no Arcana. I do not like the timer.

past salmon
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oh audio is cooked
I dunno why that happened

soft forge
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I think Imma go with Moros' pin in the future. It has saved my bacon twice. Maybe use it for the first two levels, where I expect I'll be squishy and have to dodge more due to low DPS. Then switch to a healing one to stay topped up. And then Schele tooth for Chronos.

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Aggggh lost to Scylla. I gotta doooooodge. DOOOODGE. Just don't be where the damage is.

reef tiger
vale gate
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woah TIL you can cast again in between giga cleavers waves for an extra ocast blast

past salmon
vale gate
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2 heat away i should return to morors

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it was free

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how do u see tho?

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would you want to turn off huntress for moros

past salmon
vale gate
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i just had heroic hearth gain at the time and it didnt go below max

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what room number for preboss shop and boss in oceanus?

analog fog
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What are your guy's favorite 32 heat momus builds? I just beat it with that aspect and attempted a heartthrob build but only got the hephestus duo and the heartthrobs didn't even make the top damage board so I'm curious what you guys like for high heat momus

vale gate
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im no expert but i just started hestia atk and rolled with whatever i got

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damn i went into chronos with stacked moros build 2 dds armour and pin as well as 40% effective dodge and died in p1 💀

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another day another chronos 50 throw one day i will get it

zinc jungle
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What are the current strongest weapon aspects for the torches and the skull? So far I'm not feeling comfortable with anything other than Aspect of Mel. Neither weapon has another aspect that seems attractive to me. None of them seem particularly strong. Which ones are most worth my initial investments of Nightmare?

past salmon
zinc jungle
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So far I have Momus, Pan, and Charon maxed, with Artemis at Rank 3 and another 3 Nightmare in my inventory. But even if I focused Artemis, the next aspect that I have the most interest in would be Thanatos. But I feel like I should spread the love and diversify my Nightmare spending between all the weapons.

zinc jungle
# past salmon Moros is by far the strongest aspect of the torches, and is top 3 aspects in the...

Persephone gave me the impression that it charges way too slowly, but I've heard it works a lot better in-game. I guess I never really gave Medea a chance. Moros looked somewhat interesting, but I couldn't really figure out how to build for it. I tried Eos and didn't really like it, but perhaps it's super rank-dependent. I think I'll spend my Nightmare on Moros and see how it goes. Any suggestions on what to build?

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Also, what are the best casts for Charon?

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I love Charon aspect but I feel like omega special doesn't work right with every cast...

vale gate
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what in the chronosfight hits you for 88?

west summit
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scythe yeet

uneven palm
uneven palm
cursive oyster
surreal hazel
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Interesting, tidal ring's splash eminates from Mel, not the cast

surreal hazel
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Okay that was a new way to break the game

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8 second video of how my boons interacted when entering a room

bright token
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nice. omega cast has a lot of toys but it's hard to collect them

surreal hazel
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that was the heavy hitter when I needed it (I had Dark side and sanctity)

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but I had island Getaway, Glamour Gain and Nervous wreck

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so everything was just getting battered with status curses

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oh and hot flash, air quality and pyro technique, so anything getting randomly afflicted with scorch would just burn to death from that alone

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and then explode

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I have no idea how I got this lucky on this run, everything I rolled just interacted

scarlet flicker
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Is arty keepsake even worth? If so what’s the ideal stage to equip it

sage flame
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the damage is kinda nutty so I'd say it's worth, I see most people use it for tart but you can use it in any region where you feel confident enough to dodge everything/kill all the enemied before they hit you, I've seen some strats where you start with the antler just to ensure you have enough damage to make it through erebus lmao but that's for like onion/higher heats I would assume

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tldr good keepsake, high risk high reward, be good at dodging

bright token
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so what do you need to do again to avoid eris debuff on the first run? i forgot, what it does, make you take extra damage?

steel sequoia
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didnt even knew eris had a debuff

spare kite
bright token
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yeah but how low, below 50%?

spare kite
civic ocean
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So you have to take into account the heal from the fountain

surreal hazel
bright token
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meh, fresh file speedrun is also boring. the amount of gods is super limited and poseidon sprint is basically the only way to deal any dmg so that defines the entire run

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if you could get zeus or hestia somewhere close to the start it would be much different

zinc jungle
zinc jungle
limpid coral
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hera attack zeus special

uneven palm
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Yeah those are best but honestly anything works

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Moros starts at “overpowered”

magic moss
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sheet has been updated for the day

fair narwhal
limpid coral
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oh are repeat clears being tracked

magic moss
heady sapphire
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So I was impervious throughout the entire Scrylla fight that lasted about 70 seconds, my impervious boon was only for 20 seconds.

This was my loadout, can someone help me understand what I did here please?

https://i.imgur.com/08xl4xe.png

Imgur
magic moss
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i used to not track repeats but since its a spreadsheet now it doesnt hurt not to

magic moss
heady sapphire
magic moss
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huh interesting

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f10 that

heady sapphire
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screenshot?

tired fulcrum
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Bug report

heady sapphire
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I'm still impervious rn it seems. I still have the bubble around me after the fight has ended.

sage flame
#

do you mean the white bubble or the green bubble

heady sapphire
sage flame
#

so that is the lovers card bubble

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(or artemis parry bubble but that's the daggers)

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the mint condition invuln is a white/clear sorta geometric shape, same one bosses have between phases

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the lovers gives you 1-3 (depending on level) damage blocks every boss fight and uses the green leafy acorn kinda texture like that picture

tired fulcrum
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Yeah thats normal bouldy

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Unless you got smacked a lot and still have the acorn

heady sapphire
fair narwhal
tired fulcrum
#

Everything is working as intended

limpid coral
#

ok is it just me or if you have move speed upgrades getting pushed around by things during your attack animation just makes you slide

vapid nexus
#

So, what is the point of Splash Font (the Poseidon boon that makes a small splash appear underneath only the first enemy hit by an Omega)? I just tried it out on the torches and rarified it to Heroic, and not only was it so slow it could not trigger off every torch, I recieved a triple Pom on this Heroic boon... and it went from 80 - 95. This thing needs a buff - has anyone found any use for it?

steel sequoia
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i dont like it much, its not useless tho ive used it on persephone, pan and eos. it needs a buff, poseidon is in a bad spot rn its the worst god so maybe he getting some balance later.

bright token
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yeah i noticed it on the torches, it doesn't trigger on every oattack, which is not suggested by the description anywhere. a lot of poseidon stuff needs a buff

heady sapphire
heady sapphire
#

So I have like 2 sets of ignited ichor (20% faster movement) from Charon. Do they stack?

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Like am I 1.2*1.2 now?

muted locust
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Hey, im sure this is a dumb question, but I can't find it answered anywhere. With the ||Aspect of Moros|| what damage type is the explosions? Regular or special? Like, when I get a boon that says "special damage +70%" is that applying to my explosions, or do I need attack damage, or do neither of them count?

limpid coral
#

attack

tall notch
#

(this means they're all buffed by huntress and regen mana from hestia regen)

muted locust
#

Very nice! Its been my favourite weapon so far, though the backstabber is also very fun

tall notch
#

Btw you don't need to spoiler tag things in here

muted locust
#

Better safe than sorry! But thanks for letting me know

tall notch
thick saffron
#

I am a little bit confused about how Scorch, Pyro Technique, and Air Quality work together. My understanding of Scorch is it does 80 ticks per second for 1 damage each (this is probably wrong it's just how it looks to me) so with air quality it does 2400 damage (80 ticks of 30 damage) and with Pyro Technique (say 100% faster) does it just double?

I'd imagine I have most of this wrong but I can't find a source to explain it

tall notch
thick saffron
#

Ok that makes a lot more sense, thanks. I had the build last night and I could clearly tell it wasn't that much damage but I couldn't tell how much it was. This generally feels like a mediocre build for how much you need to get it to work ngl

#

I feel like air quality is generally disappointing and I can't think of anything it would be good with except possibly Poseidon attack? But even then you can pom it above 30 super easily

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Maybe for staff special spam it would work

tall notch
thick saffron
#

Oh Static Shock I totally forgot about that. That makes sense, thank you. Maybe some day I can get a Static Shock + support fire + posiedon attack build going with AQ lol

uneven palm
#

Prominence Flare too, ticks like 8x/sec for like 10

civic ocean
vale gate
worldly maple
#

for Dark Side's Resonance (Attack Boon), is bonus just the effects? since it doesn't increase damage. I've confirmed Freeze (minus the damage) and Scorch (each hit) still work as intended, but haven't for Splash (0, 1, each?). but there's basically no effect at all from Aphrodite... would it proc your cd for Heph? "bonuses" would probably not be the best choice of words, no?

thick saffron
cursive oyster
civic ocean
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unless it was recently changed, the observed DPS on Scorch under air quality is 180 dps. This means that it increases the damage of Scorch by about 125% and caps it there.

Pyro technique does not increase the damage overall of your Scorch, it depletes the total scorch faster, which actually has some pretty gnarly anti-synergy with both Air Quality and Origination.

cursive oyster
#

ah

uneven palm
#

wait I'm confused you're saying Pyro Technique makes the scorch number tick down faster without actually increasing damage?

stuck ether
#

yes

past salmon
#

Just get hot flash imo imo

civic ocean
stuck ether
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or have hot flash

vale gate
civic ocean
#

Sometimes. Like a lot of things in this game, the answer is "it depends"

vale gate
#

i didnt understand how its an antisynergy with origination though?

uneven palm
#

why is that a problem with Origination? My (possibly wrong) understanding of Scorch and global damage is that you apply say 100 Scorch, but with +global damage it actually deals more. Like with Furies + Origination that 100 Scorch would do 180

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so who cares how fast that happens? or I guess why would faster be worse?

vale gate
#

is furies global damage? i didnt know that

uneven palm
#

oh yeah, it's dope. cheap 30% global boost

civic ocean
# uneven palm why is that a problem with Origination? My (possibly wrong) understanding of Sco...

Let's say you're fighting Chronos. You have Sworn Strike and Smolder Ring. Normally, what will happen is that if Smolder Ring is high enough level, the scorch will linger on Chronos if he walks out of the Cast as he can be wont to do. The preserves Origination, giving you 50% more damage, hopefully until your cast CD comes off, at which point you can re-apply.

With Pyro Technique, the Scorch on Chronos rapidly expires, and Origination goes away until you can re-cast.

uneven palm
#

ah, I see what you're saying. Like if you were banking on Scorch uptime to keep Origination online

civic ocean
#

Also if you were planning on doing something like using Freezer Burn for big nuke damage, Pyro Technique isn't very good at that either

uneven palm
#

Yeah, those are definitely at cross-purposes

heady sapphire
uneven palm
#

uh yeah it should be going the other way

#

like definitely not that

west summit
#

Scam ahh pom

past salmon
#

Yo that's fire

west summit
#

Scampom could be a new vow ngl

stuck ether
#

id rather not be scammed

vale gate
west summit
stuck ether
#

dw i hate onion too

analog fog
#

how do you guys deal with Eris's final phase? I find that I get hit no matter what and tanking through to deal the last bits of damage isnt always an option

limpid coral
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pause buffer to see where she landedif you don't know where she is cause its offscreen then don't approach the offscreen

analog fog
#

and if she's in range you want to go up to her so you can circle strafe the bullets?

limpid coral
#

you won't have time for that, if u dash towards eris she will shoot before u can dash again

analog fog
#

but if you run away then how do you do damage to her to end the fight? wait until after her bomb attack?

limpid coral
#

u can kinda hang around a pillar until she decides to be nice and go near u

heady sapphire
#

EVERY single one of my runs has MAD circle cast damage. I am now used to just holding down the cast button and leaving for folks to walk into it to explode. I would like to change things up but I can't seem to find things that are more damage heavy and reliable than the full damage cast on the floor? Anyone have any advice on alt playstyles?

https://i.imgur.com/kIcNmdB.png

Imgur
tired fulcrum
vale gate
#

error 404

limpid coral
heady sapphire
#

Like I find it to be the strongest attack in game?

limpid coral
#

realizing that it's really, really slow

heady sapphire
#

So when practicing with dummies , the spear attack does like 20-80 or something I think, and when you circle cast hold it, it does like 280+ last I checked. Isn't it worth it to do the cast damage than not?

limpid coral
#

staff does kinda suck without the good attack hammers so cast on momus is probably the way to go lol

tired fulcrum
#

Well it takes a lot longer for cast to do that damage. Though yeah staff attack without anything on it is kinda bad

limpid coral
#

yea omega cast does damage but it also takes like 3-4 seconds

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momus makes it quite good tho

uneven palm
analog fog
#

Just beat 32 fear on the surface and that was so painful jesus christ I had to use poseidon pan build cuz I couldn't get to Eris with more than like 1 death defiance

limpid coral
#

Like yes being able to cast and then run away from the enemy instead of at the enemy is strong. But if you click timer then you will see it is not so great to run away and you may try running at the enemy instead 👍

heady sapphire
heady sapphire
uneven palm
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watch some of those vids. they'll all probably have maxed timer fear, so you'll see what each aspect can do in a hurry

limpid coral
#

Cast does not ask u to run away, in fact an enemy in cast doesnt move much so it is easier to stay near it

vale gate
#

id rather watch speedruns if you want to see dps heavy builds

tired fulcrum
#

You should be wacking stuff while theyre in your cast

limpid coral
#

beating commotion 3 timer 3 is not dps heavy bouldy

tired fulcrum
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And baiting more enemies to run into the cast

uneven palm
#

yeah Furies is second or third unlocked arcana for a reason

uneven palm
limpid coral
#

real

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then u walk into worst room in the game and proceed to take a short walk and hydrate

uneven palm
#

[hippo runs away]

analog fog
#

return to shadow now : (

tired fulcrum
magic moss
#

sheet has been updated for today

tired fulcrum
#

bouldy why tf am i getting hecate insta spin lasers wtf

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bouldy wait my dumb brain just fountained before putting on phial

sand crow
tired fulcrum
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yeah I swapped to phial first so I couldnt bouldy

warped harness
scarlet flicker
#

Tips on second phase Kronos?

pastel elm
#

its pretty similiar to phase 1. just be mindful of those heckin adds. once theyre gone its a cakewalk.

vital scroll
past salmon
vital scroll
vale gate
#

He is in fact drastically slowed by it

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Also he still does dash in the second phase on top of all the extra stuff

limpid coral
#

if he teleports go find him

bright token
#

i agree that 1st phase is harder than the 2nd

surreal hazel
#

Deep luck tech, using king's ransom or burnt offering to purge bridal glow stops to de rarity effect and keeps whatever rarity they were at

civic ocean
#

The 2nd phase has a lot of those instakill attacks that are either nonthreatening or open invitations to beat his ass

magic moss
#

chronos p2 isnt even the hard part, its those god damn tempus

civic ocean
#

When the hell is bullet

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Most of us just try to save the pin for 2.2 and then go crazy on him right

magic moss
#

i lose pin way too often to p1 so not really

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if i have low damage or enough time i tend to just kill every tempus first otherwise just go for the burst and if i die o well

limpid coral
#

The best case scenario is u kill the top right tempus as they spawn and then fight chronos in the top left so the tempus don't bother you for a while

bright token
magic moss
#

ive lost more runs to tempus in p2p2 than i have to chronos so this is more from my personal experience

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but i also havent done a serious 50 run in well over a week now at this point so who am i to say

vale gate
#

By destroyed I mean die in p1 with armour pin dodge and 3 dds

limpid coral
#

make a save file and practice it

bright token
limpid coral
#

Pls do not throw away 10 seconds of damage for a heal to 60

civic ocean
#

Depends on the build but I find P1 fairly easy to navigate atm (well atm I actually just die in erebus over and over again so maybe I'm wrong now lmao)

bright token
#

i find it easy to avoid his big attacks in 2nd phase but really annoying to avoid all the stuff happening around

limpid coral
#
  1. if you are intentionally taking that damage then don't do that and then you will have that life into phase 2 anyway
  2. even if you lose a dd would having it give you more than 10 seconds of damage
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also there's nothing in phase 2.1 that does a small amount of damage

bright token
limpid coral
#

ok so you get the heal to 60 into phase 2 so that you can tank one hit without losing a life, and then count on playing 2.2 well?

bright token
#

basically it comes down to 60 hp vs <10 and 10 sec invulnerability and while the latter sounds better in reality with strength the first gives me more control
i can play 2.2 focusing mostly on chronos himself and taking random 5-10 dmg hits from the arena

vale gate
#

Both are 1 hits but one has invulnerabilty

bright token
#

nothing is one hit with 60 hp and strength

vale gate
limpid coral
#

wait strength build

bright token
#

yeah i've practiced chronos specifically

vale gate
#

O well 2 then

limpid coral
#

getting out of erebus with strength bouldy

#

well if you have cooked up a strength build
Let him cook

bright token
#

with some slow weapons you can dump yourself to 30% hp and get the bonus dmg and go faster

muted locust
#

For the Sirens fight, which of them do yall prefer to get featured?

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I prefer drums, if not drums then Sylla, and hope its not jenny at all costs

spare kite
#

Ideally the drummer cuz I'm killing her first but I don't really care

dawn cipher
#

can you increase your hp with the white antler?

spare kite
#

Nope

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Your max hp will reflect any +max hp after antler is used tho

stuck ether
muted locust
meager bramble
#

*Jetty

split igloo
#

@radiant stirrup I'll be recording some examples of the post-Dash window later, I'll try to remember to send you a video.

muted locust
#

Anyone got tips for getting better at the cerberus fight? I can clear sylla and hecate very easily and can do them damageless on a good day, but a good day for cerberus is still "I sat at the edge of the area spamming attacks and still almost used a death coin"

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Honestly find him harder than chronus, but practicing him is hard cuz I gotta do 3 fu8ll regions to get an attempt

spare kite
#

Stay on his back mostly, that way he needs to turn around before most attacks

muted locust
#

I'll try that! Being that close means the stomps get me though, I always seem to get hit when I try dash to dodge them

grand gazelle
#

He's got some pretty quick attacks too, so if he hasn't done anything for a short bit, be careful of a fast one

spare kite
muted locust
#

I should note,m my prefered weapon is the exploding torches, for most foes I like to get up close and person set up my omega special then omega attack into it for super fast chain explisions, for cerbe I use the long range function more

spare kite
#

Moros gang
But in my case I just dps his ass before he gets funny

muted locust
#

If he does the underground attack at a good time or the fireballs alot then yeah can do that

spare kite
#

Tbh with moros at close range it really is just practice the dash timing

muted locust
#

Yeee, im wondering if theres any easier way to do than than "run through zones 1-3 for an attempt"

limpid coral
#

you can make a save file and practice

muted locust
#

oh? How do I do that?

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Sounds like just what I need, tbh

limpid coral
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think its something like %user%/saved games/hades ii on windows that has your save files

split igloo
#

@torpid crane I forgot about this function, you can get your Chronos practice in.

limpid coral
split igloo
#

❤️

torpid crane
median laurel
#

any build recommendations since i want to unequip hecate's keepsake, what should i do to make sure i'd still not run out of magick?

static thicket
#

hecate has a keepsake?

stuck ether
#

Yeah it regens magick

static thicket
#

why has she not given it to me? should i kill her

median laurel
median laurel
static thicket
#

you know O might have it but never used it

vale gate
static thicket
#

might help with usong torches + bloodline

#

what is the best gain?

median laurel
#

should i grind bones/grasp for now btw just to max out my arcana

static thicket
#

i think its a gamble between hestia and aprho. Fixed gain isn't too bad either (requires a weird setup and a lucky hammer on staff)

vale gate
#

i thought its between hestia/hera but apollo for charon

median laurel
#

i think aphro gain is better since you don't have to do anything

static thicket
#

zeus one is nice but clunky

median laurel
#

especially helpful for me during cerby bcs i just run around him lol

static thicket
#

does poserdion evne have a gain?

median laurel
#

zeus costed me a run because i forgot to use his before going to another reward in the mourning fields and i cant find it anymore

muted locust
vale gate
static thicket
muted locust
#

For sure, one of my least favourite

static thicket
#

they nerfed the hell out of poseidon, they really hated tidal dash ig

muted locust
#

Might actually be my least favourite overall, can't think of one worse

static thicket
#

how does heph work as a build line? He has some really good support boons but core boons suck ass?

muted locust
#

I love building heph on strong base weapons, if I'm looking for hamers above poms, I'm looking for heph

median laurel
#

heph + axe reminds me so much of arthur

static thicket
#

arthur was a good concept executed poorly

median laurel
#

it's a great chunky big sword that works great for casual players

fallow gust
elfin ivy
#

It'd be funny if its description just removed the "occasionally" once it got that low

magic moss
#

the issue with heph core boons in high fears is that the damage is time gated, and since most runs die in erebus specifically due to time, not the greatest core boons to work with

elfin ivy
#

Ooh right I didn't account for high Fear... yeah nvm

magic moss
#

especially since you arent guaranteed to have high rarity or poms, its just far too risky to build around heph core boons and have too little payoff

#

for low fears, heph core boons are fine and can be built around

elfin ivy
#

Yeah they're def fun if you're just messing around... which high Fear doesn't Phoenix_Pain

#

Speaking of, I've been meaning to ask: what Staff would go best for high Fear? I've been just sticking with Mel's Staff because faster channeling is never a bad thing imo

magic moss
elfin ivy
#

Oh so it's better to just build up my base damage and not rely on Magick moves?

#

Momus is the one where Omega moves repeat, right?

magic moss
#

yeah

magic moss
# elfin ivy Oh so it's better to just build up my base damage and not rely on Magick moves?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing like every staff clear just uses basic attacks and casts to deal damage, the staff omegas are just not the greatest

Google Docs
Hades 2 50+ Fear Clears

Intro

Welcome to a collection of every 50+ Fear clear I have a record of. There is a link to a victory screen screenshot taken by the runner, and a recording of the run or some part of the run if available.
If you have any clears you want to report, please ping me @Mininet the Witchs Staff Enjoy...

elfin ivy
#

Omg a strat sheet... tysm you're such a legend for this! MelGrin

magic moss
elfin ivy
#

Still, a whole collection of clears is awesome reference, so thanks!

magic moss
#

np np

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the sheet is intended to be available publically so feel free to share it wherever

magic moss
#

also feel free to ask any questions

tall notch
sage flame
#

is bloodline heartthrob torches viable past 32 fear? i feel half is skill issue but i cant tell

past salmon
#

There is a big difference between viable and a good idea

#

I'm sure it's doable

magic moss
#

is it viable? probably up until maybe 40 when commotion and dominance gets maxed and you start running into too many mana problems to deal with each room, is it a good idea? probably not since scorch is just infinitely more useful along with hera atk straight up since its a 1 boon build and not reliant on multiple boons

past salmon
magic moss
#

REAL

limpid coral
#

isn't the point to use as much mana as possible?

magic moss
#

you should go do that Foolish yknow reset for r1 chaos into a good mana boon

past salmon
tall notch
#

It seems right up foolish's alley. He loves gambling

magic moss
#

oh so true

#

foolish is like the biggest gambler i know

#

like think about it

tall notch
#

He even takes 10 rerolls just to keep gambling

magic moss
#

EXACTLY MORE REROLLS AND MORE MONEY TO KEEP GAMBLING

tall notch
#

Charon should open a casino just for Foolish

magic moss
#

anyway @past salmon if you want something to do today Boated still has a podium spot with a 14:49

tall notch
#

I heard Australians love slot machines. Checks out tbh

limpid coral
#

be like that one guy and mod in 16000000 rerolls

sage flame
#

boatman gambler stonks

sage flame
past salmon
magic moss
tall notch
limpid coral
#

"Dream luck"

civic ocean
limpid coral
#

Yes

#

But don't worry, if he set it to only around 800000 it was fine

civic ocean
#

For what dark purposes did they do such a thing

magic moss
#

sorry

civic ocean
#

Damn

ivory thistle
#

any good builds for lim and oros???

limpid coral
#

do I paste the thing i wrote

magic moss
vale gate
#

how many locations in the boat place?

#

what i mean is when room is eris

fair narwhal
rain hazel
#

What is this green skull thats appearing when using melinoe skull?
Not the ammo

civic ocean
#

did you turn on any oath of the unseen? the green skull might be a revenant

rain hazel
#

Oh, what do they do?

civic ocean
#

respawn a slain enemy if you don't collect them

scarlet flicker
#

Idk how to play torch

carmine lagoon
#

Anyone have a spreadsheet of every weapon move’s base attack power?

cloud scarab
#

going for Thanos spin to win build, would you rather go with a Heroic Poseidon (40 dmg) splash on attacks or Epic Apollo (80% dmg) boon for attacks ?

#

okay Poseidon is the definite answer I think holy moly

#

305k dmg is a new record for me I think

tall notch
cloud scarab
#

that was pretty much only against Chronos

#

I replaced my Apollo with it at the last minute

half depot
#

So do I just have to tank a deaths defiance every time Cerberus pulls out that fullscreen AOE move? Anybody know what im talking about? it does like 80 damage & I dont see an opening

past salmon
#

You have to go to where cerb is

tough pasture
tall notch
tough pasture
tough pasture
# tall notch It's fun! Trust in the daybreaker

Also, I watched you 50 fear charon axe run. From watching your run, I learned conclusively that the moonstone axe special shield can completely negate the chronos spinning scythe attack. I thought I had done it once in 1 of my runs but I wasn't sure. (I wasn't recording so I couldn't go back and re-watch.)

The moonstone shield special is wildly strong in some surprising ways.

For instance, the shield special can also block and negate damage from the moving clocks hands in chronos phase 2.

tall notch
tough pasture
tall notch
tough pasture
tall notch
magic moss
#

sheet has been updated

half depot
split igloo
#

how does the hephestus legendary boon work if youre using a maxed aspect?

tall notch
split igloo
# tall notch Rank 6 aspects

does it just add one more rank of scaling? like for pan it gives an extra knife or for than its an extra 5% attack speed?

wise idol
#

No it’s like +2 or +3 ranks of scaling

tall notch
wise idol
#

And pan goes from 5 to 7 daggers I believe

split igloo
#

huh, interesting, sounds pretty good. thank you

wise idol
#

It’s nice on some aspects, most interesting on momus imo

stuck ether
#

Mel blades goes from 100 to 200%

dawn cipher
#

Fastest duo boon I ever got:

muted locust
#

Aphro has some of my favourite duo boons thb

steel sequoia
#

Heart Breaker is the best splash you wanna see most likely

muted locust
#

Island geataway is cracked with like any arphro boon but especily her gain.

Hot flash feels like it racks up so much damage

Ecstatic obsession effectivly oneshots a mob

Sunny I haven't played with yet but seems like the worst

Hearty is just a free damage bonus

Love handles is a free 120 damage over and over and over

Romantic works great for wave clearing

stuck ether
#

Sunny disposition is probably the best actually

mortal pier
#

To get Hephaestus' Legendary boon, do you need to be using an aspect that isn't rank 5 already? Bc I have gotten MORE than enough of all of his boons with as many ways to improve/reroll boons as I could get and it has never shown up

steel sequoia
#

sunny disposition is the 2nd best duo in the game imo

tall notch
steel sequoia
#

Elementary Particles

tall notch
#

Particles is good but not top1

wise idol
mortal pier
wise idol
#

np

mortal pier
cloud scarab
#

I didn't have a single side door in the run on Chronos? Only V - I straight through... never happened before

wise idol
sage flame
#

is it mainstream to call it Sunny D yet cause i think we should get on that

muted locust
mortal pier
#

Any recommendations/tips for the Trial of Blood? I've challenged it a couple times now and so far not so good

#

Nevermind, got it

steel sequoia
stuck ether
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And then include all your global damage boosts

steel sequoia
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also pomming it worths a lot

stuck ether
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Mhm

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Rare only needs like 2-3 poms before its epic level/better

devout iron
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Hey guys I got Archaic Seal and Breath of Eros on the same well. Does that combo work?

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I don't want to waste the gold if not

spare kite
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No

devout iron
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Unfortunate

sage flame
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has to be something that expires after x amount of encounters and that sorta thing

twilit junco
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any tips for fighting cronons?

magic moss
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Learn his general attack patterns and how to avoid his attacks primarily. There are very easy tells such as visual and audio cues that Chronos does that will clue you into what he plans on doing. His attacks also change between phases so you should aim to learn how they differ as well

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for example he always brings his arms up whenever he goes for a swipe or leans back when he goes for the dash, he doesnt do multiple swipes/dashes in one chain until hes below half hp, etc

stuck ether
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when he does do multiple its either slash, slash, dash or 3 dashes iirc

uneven palm
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In the back half he can also do just two slashes, or dash-slash-slash. If he does a slash, it’s always 2.

steel sequoia
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hope they change some patterns for the game release

sage flame
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also casts will dramatically decrease the range chronos goes during his dash attack

tired fulcrum
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After summoning orbs he also always does a single dash

fair narwhal
vale gate
fair narwhal
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I didn’t really play so I don’t get it 😦

vale gate
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you dash a lot in h1

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when hermes says your omegasymbol moves are faster does it mean the channel speed or reload speed

steel sequoia
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omegasymbol speed buffs are for channeling and manacost usually

vale gate
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but why doesnt it say you cannel faster then

past salmon
haughty panther
steel sequoia
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it improves the animation time too i suppose

vale gate
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thats nice on flames

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i have a 50f attempt recorded if anyone would like to review it

past salmon
vale gate
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1 sec have to upload it

fair narwhal
past salmon
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bro uh oh is tiny!

stuck ether
past salmon
stuck ether
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Crazy.

fair narwhal
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just react dont listen to foolish

vale gate
steel sequoia
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not many people can argue with people who plays 50f MelGrin

past salmon
fair narwhal
steel sequoia
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most likely bc they have more than 200hs of game and knows stuff 99% of the players dont know

fair narwhal
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idk man those 50 fear guys dont know much more than the average player tbh

past salmon
steel sequoia
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i mean regular people just open a guide and see "oh wow ill have to pick poseidon attack"

fair narwhal
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poseidon attack is pretty sick

sage flame
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looks are 90% of the battle tbf

magic moss
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i have no idea how much i know

past salmon
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Poseidon is NOT the homie

bro can rot

fair narwhal
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see bro knows nothing

past salmon
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😭

sage flame
steel sequoia
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i love uncle haha, yes but he aint in a good spot rn srry uncle

magic moss
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i want to say i know a lot but i honestly have no idea

stuck ether
steel sequoia
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i know a lot (id say around 80% of content) but im just a granny

stuck ether
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Poseidon attack was not goated gang

fair narwhal
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i mean that was fresh file i had no arcana 😭

stuck ether
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Doesnt mean you go pos attack man

magic moss
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pos atk needs base damage buffs and knockback nerfs

steel sequoia
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i mean you can play persephone pos atk if you want, you prolly can win with that, its just not the most optimal

fair narwhal
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poseidon attack is good!!!!1111!!1

vale gate
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better than h1 poseidon attack despairge

limpid coral
cursive oyster
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probably super unviable on high fear but tidal ring plus geyser spout plus lucid gain is very funny

magic moss
tired fulcrum
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Tbh its like how dad spins were super delayed in 1

cursive oyster
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i’m using it on mel staff rn for the funny channel speed

tired fulcrum
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Though you can feel the chronos delay even with fo2 bouldy

cursive oyster
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probably worse than momus tho

limpid coral
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though now that i'm watching back a video sometimes he flashes white and sometimes he just. doesn't

cursive oyster
limpid coral
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like on the throw and dash sometimes there isnt the white flash

steel sequoia
magic moss
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it does yeah

steel sequoia
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didnt know, thats relly good

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tho im a persephone fan myself

vale gate
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the fact that one of his most dangerous/damaging attacks is just a dash

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feels wrong

limpid coral
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well he does swing at you during the dash

vale gate
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he does?

limpid coral
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...

vale gate
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idk i have trouble seeing attacks

limpid coral
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maaaan

vale gate
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usually the 'death defied' text covers stuff

cursive oyster
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everything is the same color in the chronos fight

magic moss
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i think die means that his dash has a hitbox

steel sequoia
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it was way worse before lmao

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i can see things and dodge now

limpid coral
tired fulcrum
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bouldy I swear the hit box of that thing is also delayed from the dash

limpid coral
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probably is

sage flame
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he still swings the sythe during the dash

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average swordie disjoint

heady sapphire
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Wow I just made 2 absolutely insanely fun builds.

  1. Heaphaestus blast on Sprinting and also Vent on Heph blast. Just run around and bros just keep auto exploding around you.
  2. Sprint causes Lightning and also cast causes 500 damage in cast while you run around it.
surreal hazel
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Ever get the feeling that glamour gain is just a bit good?

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I mean, even if you ignore the fact that island getaway is a bananas near-universal amount of damage resistance

vale gate
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wait i got exe chop on than axe and born gain, and once my gain goes below 20 it doesnt use that and prime, instead i can just continue using the double final hit without using any mana or priming?

past salmon
surreal hazel
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but as the freest way to proc origination?

vale gate
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it doesnt work in r1

surreal hazel
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?

vale gate
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idk i got it as first boon and it didnt work in r1

surreal hazel
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R1?

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oh, room 1

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right, yes, I've reported this issue, the same happens if you take it as the first boon of a trial room

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the mana gain part works, but the trigger to inflict weak on nearby enemies is only set when you enter a new room

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so you can only gain mana if you have some other way to inflict weak

vale gate
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ohh lmao

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so im guessing it wouldnt work in the room you get it if you use troves/unlock oceanus rooms as well

surreal hazel
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I'd expect not, same reasoning

vale gate
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or fields

surreal hazel
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There's a couple of boons like that, I think ocean's bounty and double up do that, sadly

past salmon
surreal hazel
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mmm, depends

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but the ability to get -30% damage and a curse so freely is quite significant

past salmon
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I mean it's like fine

But there are better options

surreal hazel
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Also doesn't demand higher mana caps like the others seem to like

past salmon
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if you want weak may aswell just click passion rush since most sprints suck anyway and it's one of the better ones bouldy

surreal hazel
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mmm, fair, but eh, I like it

past salmon
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I mean
Sure I ain't gonna tell you what you can and can't like 😭

surreal hazel
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I feel we're comparing your extreme fear runs with my more "I want to see how I can break the game" runs

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which gives us different biases

past salmon
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I mean does glamour gain do anything to break the game

surreal hazel
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oh yes

past salmon
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what is 30% DR doing at like 0 fear bouldy
UNless ur doing afk builds or smth

surreal hazel
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With island getaway, everyone is weak, with Nervous wreck, everyone gets 4 curses as you walk into a room

vale gate
past salmon
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I mean yeah that's cool

surreal hazel
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by "break" I mean, make creatively overpowered or comical combos

past salmon
surreal hazel
vale gate
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gladge we dont tell them

surreal hazel
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it's in a better state now than it was, where Mel would just not attack

vale gate
surreal hazel
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so if you had hellsplitter and executioner's chop

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you only had dash strike when below 20 magicka

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or I guess, mana-less special, which... okay?

vale gate
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😭

surreal hazel
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I hope your non-omega cast was good, and yeah, this was before the update that gave all Ring boons some non-omega damage

vale gate
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is it a default thing or only with born gain

surreal hazel
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which?

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I don't think born gain matters here

past salmon
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I think it is with born gain

Mirrored thrasher and Exe chop will just keep working at 0 with it

surreal hazel
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that behaves by looking at the mana you're trying to spend, and then checking to see if your current max mana - prime amount exceeds what you're trying to cast

past salmon
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idk about possessed
I should check that ig

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atleast I'm fairly certain it's specific to born, since that is the only gain I've seen it happen on
Tho I havent actually tested it properly tbf

vale gate
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man revnants ruin the whole game for me

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im confident its what turns this game off imo

past salmon
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idk man revs aren't that bad I have far bigger issues than them now that revs r way nicer

vale gate
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it completely throws me off

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ruins the flow of the game

surreal hazel
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        {
            Threaded = true,
            RequiredContext = "StartRoom",
            Name = "WeakCrowdMana",
            Args =
            {```
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There's the problem, right at the start of Glamour Gain,

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"RequiredContext = "StartRoom","

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Although this whole section implies the gain part doesn't work either

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oh well, must've hallunicated that, or had a Will boon

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@cunning pollen I was just having my own dig in the scripts. it looks like Nervous Wreck only seems to check your Attack and Special boons when seeing how much scorch to apply?

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                    { 
                        CustomFunction = "ApplyBurn", 
                        DefaultNumStacks = 30,
                        CopyNumStacksFromTraits = { "HestiaWeaponBoon", "HestiaSpecialBoon" },
                    },
                },```
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Doesn't seem to want to copy it from the cast or thermal dynamics

vale gate
past salmon
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yeh probs

vale gate
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i will die by room 3

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but lets do it

past salmon
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Than Axe shouldn't have that hard of an oceanus bouldy

vale gate
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im just bad my stubborn defiance mindset makes me tank evrything

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im used to using defiance evry room this is just annoying

surreal hazel
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Hrm, As I thought, Infection looks for status curses actually applied to enemies at the moment the victim is turned into a sheep

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for Blitz, Scorch, Vent and Hitch, it looks at the best value for those it can find on any enemy and applies that

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it doesn't seem to bother to check if they have extended freeze, because it just applies a fresh freeze effect with full duration

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hrm, interesting.

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Persephone looks at some specifically declared damage types as "cast" damage. and while Scorch from ember ring doesn't count, the glowing coal does

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as does Rousing reception, but not the damage from hera's new cast causing detonations

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🍝

meager bramble
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Artemis build recs? Is it just "Aphro on attack"? Tried Apollo just now out of interest, struggled

surreal hazel
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Artemis?

median laurel
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what aspect should i use on twin blades and flames?

surreal hazel
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oh wait, daggers, derp

median laurel
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description of artemis sounds very strong but idk

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im low on resources so im scared to try

surreal hazel
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atemis is strong af if you remember to use it

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also you aren't compelled to ignore the special just because you aren't using Pan

meager bramble
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Turning off Sorceress definitely seems to help 😄

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(When running full timer too)

surreal hazel
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honestly the fast channel time alone can be a great help

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but also the things you can "parry" is kinda insane, since it's literally any damage

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want to parry the chronos 999 damage nuke? sure? want to parry a particularly sharp hedge? no problem. Parry particles of steam? yep!

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heck, you can parry Chaos' Doomed curse

meager bramble
surreal hazel
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it's just damage

meager bramble
past salmon
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@vale gate did you ever upload that vod

surreal hazel
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Not tried

meager bramble
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Aphro does seem like the most obvious one to shoot for with the attack

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Presumably you're always in close range with the omega?

surreal hazel
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you are

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but apollo is no bad choice, 1.4x range on everything is not to be sneezed at

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partciularly with explosive ambush or final slice

meager bramble
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Mm, I did pick up EA

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I think I actually also had FS, lol - I think I was just struggling because I rolled all Commons at the start (which I rarified)

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Maybe I'll give Apollo another go if I can get something juicier to begin with 😄

vale gate
surreal hazel
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final slice with nova strike is... surprisingly big

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it's bigger than the axe, and a complete circle as far as I can tell

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since you aren't relying on the secondary for bigboi damage, basically anything goes there

meager bramble
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Why do you hate me Apollo 😭

surreal hazel
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and the crit bonus does apply to secondary daggers, so if you do get a an epic flutter flouish on it...

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75 damage dagger that has half a chance to crit to 225

vale gate
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between huntress and furies ive noticed attack rarity hardly matters

surreal hazel
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each rarity is 50% extra, the entire effect of the huntress

meager bramble
vale gate
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i wish there was an indicator for whats 'nearby'

surreal hazel
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Flutterstrike isn't nearly as strong, it's only 20% but with a high starting value

vale gate
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other than having to read the damage numbers

surreal hazel
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iirc it's 80, 100, 120, 140

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with the first pom doing the usual thing of being equivalent to one extra rarity level

vale gate
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i also noticed %s are fixed in this game meanwhile in h1 it was a range

surreal hazel
vale gate
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yeah

surreal hazel
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because really, if we follow your point where rarity on most boons doesn't matter much (because well, 20% extra damage, woo)

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then a random range between 30% and 50% really doesn't feel like anything at all, it just makes it harder to remember the numbers

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Chaos boons still have this wonk where the rarity levels overlap

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a Rare boon can be better than an epic one

vale gate
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truly chaotic

surreal hazel
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but yeah, like, demeter primaries? It matters what rarity you get on cold storage more than it does on the boons themselves

vale gate
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is that the freeze duration one

surreal hazel
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Yeah

meager bramble
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So far at 32 Fear I've been playing maxed Blood but zero Suffering. Is that unwise? Should I trade out some of the first for the second?

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Or is Suffering only worth taking at higher Fears?

vale gate
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i wouldnt take suffering at 32

tall notch
meager bramble
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I have to say, big thanks to those who suggested putting on max Scars - I've honestly been enjoying it so much, it makes the game feel quite different but in a fun way!

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(Even if certain game features become next-to-or-actually-useless 😄)

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(Sorry Aphrodite, I'm never triggering any "at 70%+ health" effects ever again after like Erebus)

vale gate
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wdym, just stay at 60 max hp and use pin

meager bramble
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I certainly am learning to love Pin

sage flame
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it's definitely very strong

glossy rivet
#

can charon trigger seismic hammer?

sage flame
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it should I think

glossy rivet
#

OOOH GOT WINTER HARVEST LINE ON GRANDDAD
B A C K T O D U S T

devout ermine
#

i've fallen in love with umbral flames aspect of moros

vale gate
ocean ibex
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i was aiming for spiteful strength but didnt get it

magic moss
cosmic wagon
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im confused on what im supposed to be looking for in an charon axe run

sage flame
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magick regen (lucid gain works very well here), cast damage or special damage (from chaos or otherwise), and heartthrobs

tired fulcrum
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Apollo or hera gain, a nice special, stuff to proc origination, and hearthrobs w/ sunny disposition

cosmic wagon
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ok yeah thats not what i was doing at all lmao

sage flame
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and then it just kinda works cause it's very high raw damage even without many boons

cosmic wagon
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which keepsake to start with?

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and also i should use omega cast as my main dps?

sage flame
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apollo or hera, probably as you want to get your magick online asap for charon

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and yes but with the charon mechanics, not actually casting the omega cast yourself

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but your omega special will also be doing a lot too so both deserve love and affection

cosmic wagon
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God i didnt even realize that that was charons ability lmao