h2-builds-and-combat

[magic moss]

like since the beginning of triple Earth

[steel sequoia]

never heard before and im like 16hs a day here

the legend WABS i mean

[tall notch]

#h2-builds-and-combat message this convo right here was the beginning of WABS

It was about air fryer Eos

[magic moss]

which thinking back on it was kinda midge

[tall notch]

It was the first build Eos cleared 40f with I think lol

[magic moss]

hey if it worked we take those

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4IvsUusSBU this was the build (wish I recorded that entire run, but I didn't think about it back then)

[steel sequoia]

scorch is putting some work for eos, i really like it

[tall notch]

It's alright on new Eos too*

*If you click engagement ring and get % scaling for your attack from Chaos

[steel sequoia]

i mean evrybody is clicking engagement ring, and i think the best duo to build now is hera+hestia fr. unless u get like normal scorch with no pom the dmg is good.

[timber pawn]

What's the hera hestia one again?

[spare kite]

Get a random infusion for each element

[steel sequoia]

Elementary Particles
Gain Earth Water Air Fire Elements, and 1 Infusion Boon for each.

i think the 4 random infusions are too much tbh

dont think this is easy to balance tho

[cyan meadow]

I feel like it's probably four because they're random and you can easily get duds. I've only gotten it once but I feel like when I did one fully didn't have the requirement met to activate, one did next to nothing for my build one was meh and one was great

[spare kite]

It doesn't feel like a hera/hestia duo more than anything

[steel sequoia]

even if you activate 2 boons that prolly are the main elements of your build you most likely will have at least 5 elements from each, which is an insane buff if you think off, its like getting 2 good boons that you can still buff with more boons.

[cyan meadow]

It does feel more like a super Chaos boon for sure

[steel sequoia]

they should put that as chaos legendary yeah

[cyan meadow]

Oh yeah it's strong for sure. Not sure I could call it op with how random it is, but for sure not bad and not easy to balance lol

Op when the stars align, good even when they don't

[steel sequoia]

its not mandatory like engagement ring but id 100% pick it over anything that shows up if i could

not even mad that game pushes me hestia for no reason anymore lmao

[carmine lagoon]

I think out of every god Hestia got huge buffs

[steel sequoia]

yeah, hestia was garbage before, its fine now

[cyan meadow]

I loved her before for her design and lines but so many mid or bad boons, she feels a lot better now

Her sprint has always been great in a lot of situations, just a big middle finger to Eris

[uneven palm]

PSA I should have guessed this but Double Up can hit the Defiances that Narcissus drops

[tender anvil]

Nice find! Guess it works for Nemesis DD's as well. Wonder if it does for Narc's element infusions

[uneven palm]

It does!

[tender anvil]

nice find!

[uneven palm]

https://youtu.be/6_k0A4kLvLc?si=3HN574fLfmD0D9zJ 8:30 here for DDs. Didn’t necessarily save the run but I laughed

[deep parrot]

i have a question about well of charon items is this the right channel for it?

[uneven palm]

Shoot

[deep parrot]

does archaic seal work with breath of eos

[uneven palm]

I don’t know for certain but I really doubt it. The “next hit” isn’t so much a duration like the “5 encounters” ones or whatever

You could try and report back!

[deep parrot]

it says expires after: 1 hit
and archaic seal is will instead expire after 2 guardians

welp we do it for science

can confirm it still says 1 hit

[uneven palm]

Yeah that’d be so busted if they combined

[limpid coral]

its so sad we cant have extended spark of ixion tbh

[cyan meadow]

Only used Pan daggers once here and they were really lackluster. But I think I got the straight line dagger thrown hammer and just a regular cast so I'd lay down omega cast, dash out channel daggers and let them go just before the cast went off.

Using something like Zeus/Hestia projectile cast and the 360 dagger Hammer is probably more where it's at?

[carmine lagoon]

For 2 regions? that’d be busted

[steel sequoia]

pan is a weird aspect, you either go poseidon or you stack stuff in the special, i usually dig Static Shock with hera (aka Engagement Ring) if im not running poseidon

but you mainly wanna run Wave Flourish+Sudden Flurry everytime its possible

[deep parrot]

i just did a 8 fear run with pan using hestia+hera

[cyan meadow]

I usually skip over Poisodon boons so hey, that'll give me a reason to try warming up to him

[steel sequoia]

poseidon is the worst god now probably but its the best special for pan

[cyan meadow]

That feels validating, I'm always like ...is he not good or do I just not like him? I do like his damage decreasing prime boon when I'm dumb and dash into volly type damage and a couple others are ok, but I'm still always disappointed to see him lol.

[steel sequoia]

he was better pre patch but mainly bc other gods needed repairs, now poseidon is the only in a bad spot imo

[tall notch]

Poseidon is now only good for golden rule builds and if you want to stakc more water to proc demeter's infusion by taking his support stuff

Anything that would take his attack/special can just click Hestia now

Except mayyybe Pan because sorceress slows down scorch ticks and Pan likes sorceress

[wise idol]

Kinda funny how we went from waves always better than hestia to the opposite lol

[tall notch]

I suppose that happens when you buff scorch and leave waves as is lol

[wise idol]

True

[steel sequoia]

i think they overbuffed hera, idk what they will do to fix poseidon tho

[ionic moon]

buff slippery slope?

[steel sequoia]

dont think that will help at all

bruh whats with this heroic? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1258457762082455622/20240703204458_1.jpg?ex=66881d9f&is=6686cc1f&hm=e8451abcb9eaf0832a978acbffc306e263e09622300e39bf55fdfe93bdbc1cff&

[ionic moon]

lmao it needs to make mana -90% for that cost

[tall notch]

it's free if you take vow of abandoment

[gloomy zealot]

What set up do y'all use for an axe build?

[gloomy zealot]

Arcana cards I mean

[tall notch]

Really depends on aspect

[gloomy zealot]

Just the basic axe, rank 5. Haven't gotten Thanatos yet and I dont cast enough for Charon

[tall notch]

I'll send you my arcana in like 15 mins okay? I'm not home

[gloomy zealot]

For sure!!! Thanks a million!

[pseudo sequoia]

would definitely recommend at least trying to learn charon, i think it's one of the most fun aspects in the game

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1258470501958029372/image.png?ex=6688297c&is=6686d7fc&hm=7310f65926268fe23d5369cd97f7c7415539cdf5e6b551de5303d386e37fd1f6&

If you want you can replace artificer+titan with boatman, or take wayward son instead of messenger

Or fit in strength somewhere if you like it (I don't)

[gloomy zealot]

Perfect thank so much! I am missing one, but that's cuz I have yet to bear Eris 🙃 cleared chronus on my second attempt, for some reason I can't get her movements down. Running a few death defies this time round, and got a good heph build set up, so here's to hoping

[cyan meadow]

Nine encounters of being baby Melinoe for less magic use...sign me up

[tall notch]

Fury3? Isn't fury2 the max

[modern wadi]

does anvil ring count as a blast effect?

or no since it doesnt say blast like the other ones?

[magic moss]

i dont think it counts

yeah it doesnt

[modern wadi]

i didnt think so but worth the check

would be interesting since alot of boons buff blasts might be busted tho

[steel sequoia]

40% is fury 2 or 3? i really thought it was 3 lmao

[magic moss]

fury only goes up to 2, 20%/40%

[steel sequoia]

yeah thats correct, im drunk

allright fixed it https://www.tiktok.com/@inosuk3das/video/7387889539806711045

[tall notch]

It says the video isn't available for me

[steel sequoia]

i clicked and it worked, it doesnt show for you? can you try again please?

[magic moss]

works for me

[steel sequoia]

its showing 0 viewers on the last 2 vids, idk how it works tho

i dont mind viewers anyway i just want to upload some stuff i play, happy that works and the steam service to quickly edit is quite nice.

i can mark frames in game with a button so its easier to search the entire vod later

[tall notch]

Now it shows but it's not playing... maybe I just don't know how to tik tok?

It says I'm at 00:00/00:00 and only shows me the start of the video

[steel sequoia]

dont worry bc i dont know too

[tall notch]

Yeah it doesn't seem to be an issue with your video, I can't play anything on tiktok apparently lol

[steel sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-i-want-to-believe-spaceship-mothership-ufo-gif-9472798

[vital jackal]

Man 32 fear for the moment is so much harder than 32 heat in hades 1. The thing is, I know it will get easier, as soon as we have the extreme measures equivalent but I want to beat it now

And I haven't even tried the chronos route yet I'm stuck on the overworld

[magic moss]

can you send your arcana and vow pages either here or by dm? A lot of times people new to 32F take vows that make things infinitely harder for themselves without realizing it

[vital jackal]

Just one moment

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258533353330835497/image.png?ex=66886405&is=66871285&hm=eb120ea147cc5e1474d7a591956ffe2a058fde54d755d820a040e2025a3f9b4d&

[tall notch]

Ironically, I think the surface route is harder than the underworld atm

[tall notch]

Yeah I heard some people click onion in 32f. Crazy, isn't it?

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258533479558152332/image.png?ex=66886423&is=668712a3&hm=3295703ad3b3dbee2e5bff4dec86df32ffbb181710f245d2134cf063a24533e3&

[magic moss]

SUFFERING 2 BLOOD 3 REVANENTS 2 HOLY

[vital jackal]

Huh

[tall notch]

What's that 40 fear-ass setup 😭

[magic moss]

THIS IS HARDER THAN 40F LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

[vital jackal]

I refuse to take a timer

But other than that what is so bad?

[magic moss]

so lets break things down

[tall notch]

You are comboing blood 3 and suffering 2, they scale multiplicatively and will just oneshot you in random rooms

[vital jackal]

Yeah... my thought was to just get good/ take demeter and freeze everything

[tall notch]

Also depending on weapon rebuke can be nasty

[magic moss]

first of all, desperation 1 isn't so bad. Most of the times you will easily clear each area within 9 minutes, and being able to reduce a fear through something as simple as a timer is insanely beneficial. Secondly, blood 3 and suffering 2 is a disgusting combo which makes you get hit for well over 50 in a single hit. There is a reason why many high fear players refuse to take blood or suffering until like 40F. Third, revanents make runs far harder because if you don't consciously look to step over them you are just facing another enemy entirely making runs much longer than they should be

[spare kite]

Which wep is this btw

[vital jackal]

Playing circe staff currently

[magic moss]

mana or manaless?

please say manaless

especialyl with rebuke 2 on

[tall notch]

they are running sorceres and no huntress 😉

[vital jackal]

I use the attack till I have serinity then I use omega

[magic moss]

[steel sequoia]

[magic moss]

i called it

OK LETS BREAK THINGS DOWN FURTHER

[vital jackal]

I know timer isn't that bad objectively it just stresses me so much I run into everything

[steel sequoia]

dont worry he will help you

[vital jackal]

Last run wasn't that bad, I got to cyclops with 3 dds and enough mana to use my omega 3 times with the dem boon to make it more expensive

[limpid coral]

Put a piece of tape over where the timer is on screen, free fear 👍

[spare kite]

How long have you been using revs 2 btw

[vital jackal]

Fist vow I take along with next region enemies

[tired fulcrum]

this is one of the pacts of all time

[vital jackal]

So, since I got vows

[spare kite]

When you used timer I assume it was with revs then?

[vital jackal]

Yep

But timer didn't work in hades one either

So only tried it once

[uneven palm]

This is what im always saying people try out Haunting or Commotion or Rebuke and they’re all “this isn’t terrible” but then we suggest they use the timer and “whaaaa no it’s impossible”

[vital jackal]

No like the thing is, I see my end times and the normally easily work with the easiest timer. The thing isn't that I would not manage to stay in the timer. I would rush too much and just die

[magic moss]

1. Circe as an aspect really wants to hit hard with the few omega mvoes you can get out within the serenity time frame, so rebuke shields are incredibly detrimental because it REQUIRES you to use your basic attacks/specials to remove them or else your omegas become useless
2. Huntress is incredibly powerful on the staff aspect as a whole because your attack is so crucial to the gameplay loop of the staff so it should be a high priority regardless of if you always cap out the mana because you will not have max at every moment
3. Lovers and Swift Runner give so much more value than Excellence, ESPECIALLY considering excellence is actively detrimental due to Arrogance 2
4. Suffering, Rebuke, and Revanents are considered the worst among the vows to take for a good reason.They greatly increase the difficulty of your run for very little fear. They are the reason why timer feels so stressful to play around.
5. Commotion as well is just more enemy spawns of enemies you are already used to dealing with. Having 5 more enemies that each hit for 2 is far better than having 1 enemy hit for 10 because you have far more room for error, ESPECIALLY WITH SUFFERING 2
6. SUFFERING IS THE GREATEST BAIT VOW IN THE GAME. DO NOT TAKE SUFFERING UNTIL 40F+. IT IS JUST A FREE DD LOSS. IT GIVES VERY LITTLE FEAR COMPARED TO THE STRESS IT WILL GIVE YOU

[tall notch]

I'll agree with most of this but I think you might be underestimating dominance a little. They're a new player. They'll struggle with bosses, and +30% boss health is noticeable

[magic moss]

they arent playing with timer, it dont matter

[spare kite]

Seeing +30% hp get called free feels so weird

[tall notch]

For surface specifically I would actually recommend bitterness, it doesn't hurt as much

[tall notch]

Yes it does if more boss health = more opportunities to mess up the attack patterns and take damage

[uneven palm]

Yeah for real Calisthenics Program in H1 was a trap

[magic moss]

yeah sorry im brainrotting

ignore that point dominance 1 is manageable

removed

[tired fulcrum]

in h1 it also gave +30% for only 2 heat

[tall notch]

inflation hitting the underworld for real

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258537165759975444/image.png?ex=66886792&is=66871612&hm=8ac09bb78b35d377a2ea3d47bee6962f12115aa6865c51b69160ea16892561c4&

[magic moss]

i just realized he was using wayward with scars 3

[vital jackal]

Better?

[vital jackal]

...

Didn't look at my arcana at all to be honest

Or should I leave reverants and take...

[tired fulcrum]

idk why you would do scars 3 at 32 tbh

[vital jackal]

Idk what should I take instead?

[tired fulcrum]

also you should just take onion for surface

[vital jackal]

Because I don't know what else to take

[vital jackal]

Instead of... scars 3?

[uneven palm]

Like friend I know you dislike the timer but going without is SO hard

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258537591930749070/image.png?ex=668867f8&is=66871678&hm=3ac9cde3ad386eb7b822970cca4a24c9bc8d7431da27a87e5df3729992bc94ad& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258537897108312074/image.png?ex=66886841&is=668716c1&hm=f92ab43907fe3dc21ebd4d9f402ffe7d15c88b7a3ca8d3da075cd7cd597f7424& try something like this. I know it has timer enabled but its a 7 minute timer its very doable

[tired fulcrum]

at least do timer 2 and turn off commotion and revs

[vital jackal]

How high are the vows at the top right?

[warped harness]

what vow is suffering again?

[magic moss]

first hit take 100%/300% more dmg

[vital jackal]

Vow of one hit ko

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258538770001563648/image.png?ex=66886911&is=66871791&hm=1762a455e1287c18ee743b5461b6b14f951481ee598ffebc115a289aa87bfea1& because you're doing surface this can also work

[warped harness]

oh christ right, and rebuke is the 1-2 extra hits of blue shield

[uneven palm]

Vow of 112!

[magic moss]

if timer is so bad you can remove the 9 min timer for 1 more dominance or remove rebuke and timer for blood 2

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258539084033556570/image.png?ex=6688695c&is=668717dc&hm=6b19d2610aa82915e737dd8b57ef639b260080cd6ea49866725fe64cc1bfb8b4& im ngl this actually looks super easy

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258539144624476263/image.png?ex=6688696a&is=668717ea&hm=17b4e3c582a2be9e27160271d22837b71ff49288b2992389de4c52cb5078e4d0&#

[magic moss]

maybe switch out dominance for blood

[vital jackal]

So this?

[warped harness]

y no timer

[magic moss]

he hates timer

[warped harness]

😔

[vital jackal]

Ok switched out dominance for blood

[magic moss]

better but since you are playing with no timer i would switch out rebuke and dominance 1 for blood 2 and just play more patiently

[warped harness]

i turned off timer for a bit while learning 40% speed and tbh i kept playing like timer was on

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258539667750654033/image.png?ex=668869e7&is=66871867&hm=aab347c3acf07b5862b329c76e6513040059ade47c593dd76cf57e71cd37bb81&

This? Also thanks for the help

[tall notch]

This looks a bit more reasonable! As reasonable as a no timer 32f pact can be. I would personally take 1 point of revenants but that's a very unpopular take around here so feel free to disregard me simping for revs

[tired fulcrum]

scars 3 is still bad

[warped harness]

scars 3 is rly painful

[vital jackal]

Is switching out the more enemies one for one point in revs an option?

[tired fulcrum]

sure

[tall notch]

For no timer 32f you are pretty much doing a 40f kind of pact, at which point i would expect scars 3 tbh

[tired fulcrum]

i mean revs 0 timer is still easier than scars 3 0 timer

[magic moss]

ye scars 2 with rev 1 dominance 1 could work

i personally dont like it but its more forgiving

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258540737054900275/image.png?ex=66886ae6&is=66871966&hm=e76e8af58778ea4734b59958fa09b278ac44101112e03e3dbc8f386b61336c60&

So... this?

[tired fulcrum]

what weapon is this, generally dc is worse than commotion 1

[vital jackal]

Circe staff

[magic moss]

domination is fine on mana circe

[vital jackal]

Also feel comfortable with mel skulls

[magic moss]

mel skulls commotion > dominance but mana circe dominance > commotion

[tired fulcrum]

rebuke i mean

id just do rebuke 0 commotion 1

[magic moss]

oh yeah by the time you charge up serenity every blue shield should be popped but commotion 1 > rebuke 1 i do agree

[vital jackal]

Alright changed that up

I just copied the arcana setup by the way

[magic moss]

okie dokie

[past salmon]

Wait why
Mel skulls isn't amazing at room clear or anything id much rather take dominance over commotion

[magic moss]

hitch + aoe on skulls

[past salmon]

Just run ER on Circe and it's like the same

[magic moss]

anyway check out this 32F

[past salmon]

Hey
That's not as bad as some I've seen ok

Like no timer gaming still makes me throw up in my mouth sure

[magic moss]

he was going mana circe and ER is just broken everywhere

[magic moss]

blood 3 suffering 2 is certainly a choice for a 32F

[past salmon]

Just don't get hit

[tired fulcrum]

staff omegas

[magic moss]

real

[vital jackal]

Exactly! I knew I was right all along

No, really thanks for the help

[past salmon]

See this guy gets it

[vital jackal]

Why take an optimal setup if you can just dodge

[magic moss]

ok bro

[magic moss]

there is no optimal set up for us we play 50F

the optimal set up is no abandon

[vital jackal]

Yeah, if seen the conversations on here. 50 fear feels crazy

[past salmon]

the optimal setup is whatever the fck RNG god decided I got to have on my Mel Skulls 50F lmfao @magic moss

[magic moss]

lmfao the rng gods decided to bless my than 50F and i am eternally grateful

[vital jackal]

By the way I'm taking demeter attack

That isn't a mistake, right?

[magic moss]

interesting choice may I ask your reasoning?

[magic moss]

also is this keepsake or just random spawn rng

[tired fulcrum]

just start zeus cast and then you dont have to play staff until you get a hammer

[vital jackal]

Freeze means enemies can't move. Also percentage based buff and the boon that boosts my omega attack but makes it more expensive

[vital jackal]

Keepsake

[magic moss]

he wants to play mana staff

its 32F its fine

[past salmon]

unless you want to take Engagement ring you are better off putting demeter on your cast and something else on your attack

[magic moss]

Alright but then I could ask why you wouldn’t take arctic ring for the freeze and go something like Apollo attack for the larger aoe on omega attack or Hera attack for the AOE

[random rover]

I've got Self Healing working with Vow of Scars 3, and I'm not exactly sure why. Had it happen once before when it triggered at the same time as Engraved Pin, but I'm not using that this time around, so I'm not sure how this is happening just yet. I think I got it from Elementary Particles both times, so maybe it's due to the duo boon?

[tired fulcrum]

some things just work through scars

[past salmon]

yeh doesnt self healing just work through scars

[random rover]

I thought it didn't?

[magic moss]

Self Healing, Vampiric hammer upgrade on Staff, and Breath of Eros are the exceptions I know of that work through scars 3

[vital jackal]

So, with which one should I start? ...in the next run since I already started one

[past salmon]

doesnt breath not work lol

[random rover]

I though it was just breath and the vampiric hammer.

[magic moss]

i think it does

[past salmon]

I stg everytime it procs is shows a 0

[random rover]

Breath works, I know that one for sure.

[past salmon]

its just good for negating a hit

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258544639313575997/image.png?ex=66886e88&is=66871d08&hm=f0a29c870f3479e8354e5c980dd291a11fd52d80ae5c0cd89c8bb25b82631da2& it works

[random rover]

It actually heals. I know because I didn't think it did, and saw Mynt do it in one of his runs, then stopped things to actually look at his health.

[past salmon]

yeah but thats blocking the hit
Is it actually healing?

also wtf is happening on the screen there

[magic moss]

try going hera keepsake and going for engagement ring. It greatly helps with the aoe issue that Staff tends to have through hitch. You also have access to hera'sattack which has a high % dmg and ER gives 1/2 of the curse needed for origination

[magic moss]

https://youtu.be/gL9rfFcpz5g?si=MzbEDPdm8mxScvqo&t=580

[past salmon]

oh it was on Axe nvm you just get to ignore all that bullsht

[tired fulcrum]

hippo moment

[vital jackal]

Alright thanks! I'll tell you how this first run goes that I started with dem

[magic moss]

check hp bar it heals

[past salmon]

Me when I play a different weapon and I dont get to just block the hippo projectiles

[magic moss]

just dont look at my cerberus fight

@past salmon whats arcana page on persephone

and is it zeus start go storm ring into aim for hera special?

[cyan meadow]

Can Hephaestus Volcanic Strike / Vent crit? Or is it just regular attacks?

[tired fulcrum]

if you have global crit

[tender anvil]

Not sure if reddit links are allowed here, but I had a lot of fun so I thought I’d share - Random Loadout challenge is trialed, similar to H1, and the week’s setup is rather spicy. Broke up the monotony of grinding high Fear quite nicely for me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1dvg668/interest_check_random_loadout_challenge_2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[past salmon]

umm something something just click unseen night

yeah I just started Zeus and went for hera special
Thats like ur whole build
Unseen is ur gain for the most part

[magic moss]

huntress and sorceress any good?

also night fr? does the added damage increase the special duration or is it numbner of dmg procs

[cyan meadow]

Sorceress is situational to me. It makes scorch tick slower and makes proccing Repoist take longer, but I like it on most other weapons/builds if I want to play around Omegas

Full axe charge with the attack while it's going hammer go brrrrr

Psychic or whirlwind something....I'm bad at names lol

[vital jackal]

Ok just finished the first run. Got to eris without deathdifiances, bought a hermes shrine radom boon that I didn't get because I got to eris, as a result I couldn't buy the armor at charon's, but ah well. I was definetly easier then what I did before, so thanks

[magic moss]

np np you got this

[tall notch]

I might give this a go actually

[past salmon]

Glory is based on damage
Night makes this charge quicker 👍

[magic moss]

ok ok

[past salmon]

also sorceress is pretty good yeh

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258550642570694686/image.png?ex=6688741f&is=6687229f&hm=05c665de24e58e16405d1a2a13752fb4ff706278ccd3b1cb5aff2de0175c3f56& this is prob the page im gonna run

[past salmon]

yeah that seems good tbh
I wouldnt drop rerolls but u insane people can do insane things

[magic moss]

i really want strength tho might drop origination for strength if things get too annoying

[past salmon]

I prefer to have my rerolls to force Hera on miniboss door and not have to reset 9999 times

[magic moss]

then what woulod you not run?

[past salmon]

Orig

[magic moss]

ah ok

[tender anvil]

32 Fear Underworld was extremely fun for me, but then again I really enjoy Meli Skulls. Felt like something in the realm of 45+ though, with preset Arcana/Keepsake choices.

[past salmon]

Have you done any Judgement 40-45 runs Boron

they are very fun if very challenging

[tender anvil]

I did a judgement 46 with Meli Skulls. I’m currently practicing a 46 with only Lovers and Eternity (and some useless arcana to disable judgement), almost made it a few times, but timed out to Chronos p2

That all is in prep for a 51 abandon run

The random challenge actually features an arcana setup with neither Lovers nor Eternity, and fear setup with fury2, revenants2, rebuke2, suffering2. And rather bad keepsakes on top. Spicy stuff, as I said

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258552538844631110/image.png?ex=668875e4&is=66872464&hm=f94c05813baecdabe9a6524ca5ceadedb4014538cda0269491ba67a88676a4da& @past salmon how does this look lmfao

[past salmon]

lil cooked im ngl
Ur glory charges pretty slow without night
idk Id just do Night Furies instead of strength
You shouldnt be getting hit much on persephone anyway

[magic moss]

but muh strength xdd
aight changed time to start trying out persephone

ive played persephone a grand total of 4 times and the only clear i have with it is on 4F with god mode enabled

we jumping into 50F with this one

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1258554039378116691/20240705084359_1.jpg?ex=66887749&is=668725c9&hm=771e366a3bc8e6ef664d1234fefc4d3e44bc09da31d85cf613908a7dd3abe0ed&
Thats all staffs done @magic moss

[magic moss]

ayeeeeeeeeeeee also no engagement ring start? nice hp btw

[past salmon]

lol I facetanked like half of Chronos im ngl was not playing well

[magic moss]

40th unique 50F clear bois

[magic moss]

im assuming hera start sworn strike

[past salmon]

been trying to avoid it

[past salmon]

yeah

[magic moss]

damn you got lucky with your boons, hera dem heph AND aphro thats crazy lucky

[past salmon]

Also didnt record my Erebus
thats fine all the staffs r the same I dont need the recording

[past salmon]

the power of being able to reroll

[magic moss]

oh hush

[cyan meadow]

If you do some more surface runs get Hestia's sprint, it's hilarious vs both Eris and Charybdis have an extremely hard time damaging you if you just sprint.

[magic moss]

Hades 2 50F Clearers as of Patch 3
Total # of Unique Clears: 41
# of Unique Clearers (Not counting Old Momus): 11
# of Unique Clears by Runners

1. Mynt - 15
2. Foolish - 11
3. Mininet - 6
4. Boron - 2
5. 虞鱼于渔, jdeeyu, cristiWT, Eos' #1 Fan, Zzz, Fuggles, VoidGloom - 1

Current Fear World Record: 52 Fear on Charon by Mynt

Staff:
Mel - Foolish, Mynt
Circe - 虞鱼于渔, Mynt, Foolish
Momus (Old) - Nice
Momus (Rework) - Mininet, Mynt, Foolish

Blades:
Mel - Mynt
Artemis - Mininet, Mynt, Foolish
Pan - Mynt

Torch:
Mel - Boron, Mynt
Moros - Foolish, jdeeyu, cristiWT, Mynt
Eos - Eos' #1 Fan, Mininet, Mynt

Axe:
Mel - Mynt, Foolish
Charon - Mynt, Foolish, Zzz, Mininet
Thanatos - Mynt, Foolish, Mininet

Skull:
Mel: Fuggles, Boron, Foolish, Mynt, Mininet
Medea - Foolish, Mynt, VoidGloom
Persephone - Foolish, Mynt

[past salmon]

damn there is 11 clearers aswell now

[tender anvil]

Oh dang, Mynt did a 52?

[magic moss]

yup

[magic moss]

https://youtu.be/OV8bA8Rt5Rs?si=9CZB1AM_7DYZlInQ

[soft forge]

Just beat Chronos with a what I think to be unbeatable combination of: Bolstered Array,Fetching Array for the Argent Skull. With Dark Side as a hex from the Moon. And things that let you regen Magick.

[magic moss]

What aspect and boons? Since all you listed were hammers and selene

[soft forge]

In this way, you are constantly firing off the Omega skull attack, which slows down time and does damage and charges your Hex. Then you hit the Hex when it comes up and are invulnerable for a bit. So most of the time you are fighting, time is slowed or you are invulnerable. Thus, unbeatable if you can dodge in slow mow.

[soft forge]

Base aspect, and the other boons and such aren't relevant.

[past salmon]

yeh a while ago
Charon is broken

[magic moss]

fair enough yeah i see it working

[steel sequoia]

or mynt is broken?

[magic moss]

seems a bit hard to hit consistently tho good stuff

[past salmon]

it combines

[steel sequoia]

yup, im the opposite

broken but literally

[tender anvil]

Ah, I was hoping there is a full recording

[magic moss]

were there any 50F clears from the speedrunning discord? i didnt join it until just recently

[past salmon]

Idk don't think so

[soft forge]

What's the 'F' stand for?

[magic moss]

fear

[past salmon]

Fear

[tender anvil]

I want someone to submit a 51+ to the leaderboard

[soft forge]

Is the goal just beating Chronos on 51+ fear?

[past salmon]

I'm working on it

[magic moss]

oh god no this is just challenges we are putting ourselves through

the highest fear that gives some reward is 32

[soft forge]

Mhm. What's maximum fear?

[past salmon]

55

[fervent narwhal]

Depends on what you fear the most

[soft forge]

Anyone beat the final boss on that yet?

[tender anvil]

Rooting for you!

[past salmon]

The difference between 50F and 51F+ is like the difference between 24F and 50F low-key 💀

[past salmon]

No the highest fear cleared is 52F

[soft forge]

Neat. Imma try it on max fear for funsies.

[past salmon]

Go ahead

[tender anvil]

Well, there have been 55 old Momus split runs, but that doesn’t really count

[soft forge]

I appreciate y'all giving me info.

[past salmon]

I mean split runs aren't exactly a run

[tender anvil]

And Mynt almost got to p2 Chronos on a proper Meli Axe I think

[past salmon]

Yeah Mynt got like dashing heave Room 2 and full sent was a cracked run

[tender anvil]

The question I was answering was whether someone beat the final boss on 55. Not saying split run is anywhere near a proper run

[past salmon]

Oh ig
But only like a quarter of the vows actually effect Chronos himself

[tall notch]

Even if someone gave me a 55f Chronos savestate I would probably take at least 10 attempts getting it lol

[tender anvil]

If it was Medea I wouldn’t make it in 100 lol

[tall notch]

For now I'll be capping my fear pushes at 47, I just don't wanna deal with onion on top of all the other vows

Maybe once I get 47 with everything I'll attempt 50s with whatever was the most comfortable to clear at 47

[past salmon]

I like onion

[tender anvil]

I find 7 minute timer very liberating. Makes all 47s very achievable

[past salmon]

Tbh with new ER timer is rarely an issue

[tender anvil]

Rather take onion

[tall notch]

Oh, I run 5 mins. I just skip onion because doing the first 2-3 rooms without playing my aspect in some cases isn't enjoyable to me

[tender anvil]

Yeah, I’m just sharing my experience. Matter of preference of course

For me the 7 mins minimizes the pressure of RNG - you can make anything work, while 5 minutes can screw you over randomly.

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258561069777948783/image.png?ex=66887dd5&is=66872c55&hm=ceab46f477bf3384349d01455d5ed8f25ab0bce25cb0fcceb7672034db61f864&

Thanks a lot for the help

Beat the overworld with 32 fear and 2 dds left

[magic moss]

good stuff good stuff

i might wanna start speedrunning underworld not for the actual speedrun leaderboards but to start stocking up on nightmare

[vital jackal]

Thanks again you helped a lot

[magic moss]

assuming 6th weapon coming out, thats 14 nightmare (2 aspects for 7 nightmare each + mel) + another 42 (6 hidden aspects, 7 nightmare each) for a total of 56 nightmare needed to max everything

[magic moss]

np anytime

[vital jackal]

Also I assume I shouldn't take the onion for the underworld run right?

[magic moss]

oh absolutely not yeah

underworld is where taking timer becomes far far more advantageous than other vows

[vital jackal]

Yeah... I'll look into it tommorw. I'm going to sleep now

But I think I'll try with the timer

At least at 1

[past salmon]

I already have like 38 just from clicking Charon deliveries I think I'll be fine tbh

[magic moss]

i have like 23 rn

[past salmon]

Well we won't be getting another update for a while I think so

[magic moss]

meh i still want to play some 0 fear mess around runs

[past salmon]

Playing 0 Fear and realising you can be hit 20 times and not die is such a moment

[magic moss]

i actually get hit more at 0 fear because of no fury 2 so everytime i do get hit im like huh i didnt instantly lose my entire health bar strange

ESPECIALLY hecate i always get hit by everything since everything feels like its moving in slow mo

[past salmon]

Bro I take wandering off on 32F now Hippos have actually scarred me

[magic moss]

i might actually lmfao

[plain fossil]

this is gonna be the same problem as fury

when u turn it back on ur gonna tilt so hard

[steel sequoia]

this is why i play 12fear

i was totally surprised today a granny like me killed chronos without taking a hit

[cyan meadow]

Stares in likes to catch Grandpa's Frisbee scythe

[steel sequoia]

i think the problem to not take hits arent even the scythes but when chrono stacks mechanics with the golden balls everywhere, if there is any mobs on map is hard not to get hit by anything

[cyan meadow]

I'm the opposite usually, phase two added mechanics are actually fun for me to dodge, his basic throw and third dash get me wayyyyyyy too often lol

[plain fossil]

generally i find i take more damage in p1 than p2 plus it takes longer UNLESS i cant efficiently deal with hourglasses

[cyan meadow]

^ I'm usually Art dagger and let some build up the crit dash them to death, on other aspects where I can't one shot them, spinning red balls get me lol

[cursive oyster]

any 50f gamers out there how do you all deal with timer in erebus? do you just need midshop + arachne + fountain/nemesis/artemis, or do i just need to get good?

[warped harness]

how do i run eos? what gods are good for the attack

[cursive oyster]

hera attack is nice

[uneven palm]

I like Hera and Apollo

Apollo booms real big

[cursive oyster]

maybe smth like apollo/demeter attack + engagement ring?

[limpid coral]

oh i noticed the version updated slightly in the past few days, anyone know what changed?

[warped harness]

what is engagement ring again

the hera cast?

[cursive oyster]

hera cast, enemies take damage and get hitched on spawn

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422149143205773315/1258586943680155678/image.png?ex=668895ee&is=6687446e&hm=17da155a9172fd9171df1e427edc17433db2a0dc696801b91f2c9391ddc600fd&

no idea what to take, ig leaden?

[cursive oyster]

what aspect

eos?

[tall notch]

Both sustained and leaden are good. I personally like sustained more

[limpid coral]

origin coil so u never have to click it again

i like sustained because not being a snail while firing is nice

[tall notch]

Mynt can probably do it on Mel axe with nothing but Heph attack and 0 room skips, but I need favourable rng to make that 5 mins timer. I don't need every single skip but I do need multiple throughout the region. Highrolling something good off artificer in room 2 matters a lot too

[warped harness]

i accidentally clicked on origin when tabbing back in 💀

fated list ig

[cursive oyster]

oh well

[magic moss]

it typically depends on aspect, actual spawn rng, and personal skill with the aspect you are piloting. However, most of the time you are very dependent on getting at least 2 skips, 3 being more realistic to clear erebus within the 5 min timer

typically its arachne, midshop, miniboss, and some combo of chaos gate/nem/artemis encounter

[plain fossil]

I mean u always need midshop and arachne but u nearly always get those

And then u need +1 and ideally+2 from somewhere

[magic moss]

• miniboss so thats ~2.5

[cursive oyster]

also ik taking the second miniboss in oceanus makes tony show up is there anything like that in erebus?

[plain fossil]

Sometimes miniboss counts as +1 especially if u get something like freeze or mintcondition so u can unga bunga it

[cursive oyster]

or if you’re using moros

[plain fossil]

Sure

[past salmon]

Depends on weapon
You can also just run ER and beat timer for free

[plain fossil]

ER saves u 15+ seconds on hecate ngl

[cursive oyster]

also i got unique hecate dialogue for beating her with 0 seconds on timer today

[magic moss]

what theres a unique dialogue?

[past salmon]

Where's my unique dialog for beating Hecate with 1m 30s over timer

[cursive oyster]

yeag “you used your last remaining moments well k bye”

or something to that effect

[plain fossil]

Fwiw if u die to timer damage on chronos u get special dialog

I think ive gotten all possible options for that dialog lmaooo

[magic moss]

Where's my unique dialog for beating Chronos with 1m 30s over timer

[past salmon]

But yeah Erebus timer is weapon dependent first, in-room RNG second, and free room RNG 3rd tbh.

[tall notch]

I heard that timer is free when you get hippos every room

[past salmon]

Like I can get away without too many free rooms if the actual rooms themselves aren't awful

[magic moss]

you dont love 3 armored hippos in 1 room while playing blades

[past salmon]

So true

I think enemy weight needs to be looked at tbh

Tart rooms especially can sometimes be like 6 enemies total on commotion 3 like ?????

[magic moss]

i think spindles and whisperers have far too little weight since like 9 armored of each can spawn per wave

[past salmon]

What's a whisperer again

[restive bolt]

never thought i would complain about a weapon i actually really liked in hades 1, but dude i hate eris' spread shot attacks. how can i more reliably react to those

[limpid coral]

my best guess knowing nothing about names is the big stationary things that throw out slow homing things

[limpid coral]

the shotgun is basically a kill zone so get behind it or out of range of it
if you're playing axe I think it's possible to alternate dash and block if you get caught in a bad spot

[magic moss]

spinning dude

[cyan meadow]

Dashing behind or dash and Sprint far away if you don't have a close timer and don't mind letting her tucker herself out, it's big but not map wide, also Hestia Sprint and laugh if you have it

[limpid coral]

wait the spiny spinnies in oceanus that spawn on top of u and chase u are "whisperers"?

[past salmon]

Oh yeah they spawn way too many
The Erebus ones are fine since they just blow up but when you get armoured Oceanus variant they have like actually 8 billion hp

[magic moss]

sorry whisper thats the name

[limpid coral]

wonder why its called a whisper

[past salmon]

#h2-victory-boasting message

No timer no fury is uhh
Certainly a choice

[limpid coral]

if everything is slow maybe you just never take damage. are they actually cooking

[magic moss]

onion, no arrogance 2, revenants 2, no fury, no timer, oh my god what

[past salmon]

Yeah that's like
The opposite of cooking

[wise idol]

That’s actually impressive lol

[limpid coral]

i mean idk, if everything is weak and you just play slow what if nothing ever touches you and you just autopilot on like a 40 minute run

[wise idol]

All testaments on that setup

[past salmon]

I still get hit on no fury so idk

[limpid coral]

maybe that's cause you always play with fury 6

[magic moss]

this is largely due to fury2 brainrot ngl

[limpid coral]

i genuinely wonder like how much easier everything is to dodge if you just have no commotion or fury or timer, like even though theres spindles in erebus and lamias in oceanus and stuff everything moves so slow that you can just walk around

[past salmon]

Idk
I just don't even know how people get such long runs
Are you like just actually getting zdps builds and then also just not attacking anything for 20seconds every room

[limpid coral]

what if vibing between fights or between waves

[past salmon]

Like Mynt had a 50ish minute run but that made sense cuz it was every vow except timer
Abandon slows you down so much

[floral path]

Probably could turn on arrogance 2 and fury 2, but I find the other ones easier. I have been dangerously close to losing runs to priming all my magick to arrogance

[limpid coral]

(ngl i'm kinda sad that after a fight ends and i pick up a boon the timer still runs so i feel like i can't sit around and mess around with what the boon looks like)

[floral path]

I usually do use arrogance 2, but I tried something different this time and it worked. I think I have only lost 4 total runs since my first clear so I think my fear choices have been good for me

[magic moss]

i mean sure if it works for you then i wont comment further but i personally think you are making things harder for yourself

[floral path]

Won't matter for long. Now that I have all the testaments done I'll have to turn on most of that stuff to get to 32 anyways (except timer because that will start really becoming a problem with everything else on)

[limpid coral]

if you don't take the curses that make timer bad and instead take timer, you get to cover up the part of the screen with the timer on it and have no curses

[tall notch]

My first h2 clears were around 40 mins if not longer lol

[limpid coral]

idk about you but i prefer having no curses to having curses 👍

[floral path]

I think most of mine have been like 25-40 minutes

[past salmon]

Timer is 6 fear
This lets you take off all of commotion/revs making timer way easier

And commotion/revs give you more opportunities to take damage on top of slowing you down. This is why taking timer is just usually better than not

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1258599645702127628/20240507230538_1.jpg?ex=6688a1c3&is=66875043&hm=54f3bd306f1980bb63a66cadd357b36c7226a766818a937a1825e4d95f4fd0b2& @past salmon I dug out my first h2 clear

[warped harness]

i cannot stand fighting chronos with the stafff

it locks you down so hard in terms of movement theres such little leeway against him it feels like

[floral path]

Staff is what I killed him the fastest with I think

[limpid coral]

the basic staff attack sequence is so good at locking you in place when you don't want it

swords also suck for it but at least you can move a little and the animations are faster

[warped harness]

the daggers are infinitely more mobile

nothing is long enough to screw you except the final attack in the sequence

[cyan meadow]

I don't really click with the staff. Haven't done Moros but Circe felt weird

[gilded trail]

I can't figure out the axe.... the timing is so slow and I'm not sure how to approach certain mobs / bosses with it 😦

[limpid coral]

nahh like if you dash away in the middle of the attack sequence you are still locked into actually doing it which sucks for the jabs or last slice if all you want to do is move somewhere

honestly every weapon does it to some extent :/

[magic moss]

staff my beloved

[warped harness]

thats still enough to evade an attack or get you out of danger

youre just, suck with the staff

[tall notch]

How do you actually deal damage with that thing without the double attack hammer?

[past salmon]

I love clicking mirrored thrasher and winning

[magic moss]

i like to think i played a major part in staff's rise in high fear

[past salmon]

You get the other double damage hammer instead

[warped harness]

its not even a bad weapon by any means the damage is insane and its versatile but i cannot for the life of me figure out positioning while also not getting threashed by random punches from the ghosts that hit for a billion damage or chronos staggers decimating me

[magic moss]

essentially min maxing positioning + boons to help with staff's decently low base damage

its why pos atk is so good on staff

[tall notch]

So you're just WABSing?

[past salmon]

The only time I had good damage on staff without the crack hammers was when I just ran Hailstorm and ignored my weapon 💀

[limpid coral]

i wish there was a clean way to let people either continue the attack sequence after dashing or cancel it by choice

[magic moss]

WABS on high fears but what aspect doesnt WABS on 50F, on low fears theres a lot more flexibility

[gilded trail]

What is "WABS"?

Btw are there guides on game mechanics (e.g. if two different boons increase attack - which are multiplicative or additive), duo boons and boon requirements, and priority to choose for fears? I also haven't unlocked aspects yet (going to soon) but would love to see some writing about them

[magic moss]

Weapon Agnostic Boon Stacking, essentially choosing the boons that will clear the run regardless of aspect

for patch 2, that was triple earth, and for patch 3 rn its engagement ring

[warped harness]

like cast builds?

[gilded trail]

What's engagement ring?

[magic moss]

Hera cast

[tall notch]

I still remember air fryer being the OG WABSing

[warped harness]

hera cast, does damage to newly spawned enemies and inflicts them with hitch

hera is just consistently good always we love seeing a queen slay

[gilded trail]

Ah I see. I've only just learned how good hera is, especially when a bunch of things are grouped and all getting hit by hitch

[magic moss]

not always, triple earth was moreso about abusing how easy it is to get origination and defensive boons online

[limpid coral]

turns out aoe is strong when the hardest part of the run is ridiculously crowded rooms

[magic moss]

i still think my infusions build cook is the safest to play and clear on low fears

[warped harness]

yeah i remember hera attack and then heph/dem for the defensive bc grit and trusty gield

[past salmon]

Everything except Crit/Power are additive

[warped harness]

shield*

[magic moss]

but definitely far less superior to engagement ring high fears

[limpid coral]

oh btw is mirrored thrasher +30% additive with blood

[warped harness]

do you have an engagement ring vid bc i wanna see it

[past salmon]

No idea tbh hopefully

[warped harness]

i ran it but i didnt use it well

also, is charon build still the apollo cast + now flare?

[limpid coral]

wait is blood "take more damage" or "enemies deal more damage"

[past salmon]

Idk one of them

Blood and suffering are multiplicative together but that's all I know

[limpid coral]

hm its all foes deal

maan if only this stuff was consistent

[magic moss]

absolutely not prominence flare is garbanzo on charon its lucid gain + apollo special and cast can be just about anything just not prominence flare

[warped harness]

damn my bad i didnt know

[limpid coral]

though traps aren't affected by blood so maybe weak and strength are just the exceptions to the %s are additive thing

[magic moss]

how dare you not know information you werent expected to know

[warped harness]

😭

what about poseidon? still not enough to justify the cast build?

[magic moss]

but yeah no rn charon is just
Step 1: Get Lucid Gain
Step 2: ??????????????????????????????
Step 3: Win

this applies to every fear, including 50F

[magic moss]

what cast build? on charon?

[warped harness]

also does furies work on charon or nah

[magic moss]

i think yeah

[warped harness]

maybe i drop origination to have furies and night active

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258105417733640212/image.png?ex=668826fa&is=6686d57a&hm=cd3f4f64d05debe4d38d6f77ef2d444f74ee05dd857dd896c718c9a6fbe36c17&

[warped harness]

oh ty

[past salmon]

Yeah this aspect is so broken 💀

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422149143205773315/1258604177354002507/image.png?ex=6688a5fb&is=6687547b&hm=3fe01de479d73579fc10d6531bcd329bc94f1492018883eeadaa7a2f1c8df78f& its gg i guess (lying)

[magic moss]

please tell me you didnt take onion

PLEASE TELL ME YOU DIDNT TAKE ONION ON 24F

[warped harness]

what no

[limpid coral]

that is room 1

[warped harness]

^

[past salmon]

They have lucid gain bro

[limpid coral]

[warped harness]

overworld 😭

[magic moss]

ok im blind and stupid and blind and stupid

[past salmon]

Also onion is like free on overworld anyway so?????

[magic moss]

DIE

[warped harness]

i love the new apollo cast fx

[warped harness]

i hate the eris buff wow

[silent crow]

what eris buff

[warped harness]

she comes out alongside her enemies to attack

i dont like dealing with eris moveset while 4 barrel pirates are swinging at me at the same time

i swear she did not do this 2 patches ago

[silent crow]

she did but i only remember it happening on the last phase

she starts doing a lot of crazy sht if you dont kill each phase within like 20s

[warped harness]

i dont feel like i was taking that long in the fight but im not great at timekeeping

i just keep ending up at eris with 1 dd getting within an inch of a victory and then losing because i took a ton while dealing with adds

[silent crow]

eris is a weird boss i dont rly pay attention to her that much bc u can usually js tank her

[warped harness]

maybe i shouldnt first time charon at 24 heat on the overworld but that felt horrible

[silent crow]

what vows did you take bruh

[warped harness]

agh im not at my computer rn but i dont have any of the really nasty ones

that being said 40% speed overworld is still just garbage to play bc every enemy moves at mach 12 and can hit you before your attack on axe finishes

i got swung on twice by a barrel pirate in ephyra before my charged special even came out

also kept being hit through my special despite not unleashing the omega at the time i got hit

[silent crow]

yaa they need to rebalance it

[warped harness]

the chronos apollo is really fun and pretty though i love flashing lights and big numbers

[tall notch]

I have a lore question. What drugs did fury 2 Eris take before the fight?

[floral path]

can't say I have done fury 2 eris, and it sounds awful

[tall notch]

It's a hilarious fight

[warped harness]

speed, adderal, whatever they had in the 80s

[plain fossil]

Fury2 eris is one of those things where when ur learning it u get hit by everything and then once u get it u get hit by nothing

I do wish she wouldnt spend so much time standing in fire tho its kinda troll

[steel sequoia]

except hippos, they always hit you

[warped harness]

yeah, thats how i was /w the old one, im madge bc i need to re-learn

[magic moss]

its still so weird to me to be considered a top player

[past salmon]

Get used to it buddy

Just start egoing everyone
Make sure everyone KNOWS how much better you are and laugh at others petty achievements
This is clearly what it means to be a top player

[magic moss]

#h2-victory-boasting message BLOOD 3 COMMOTION 3 DOMINANCE 3 REVANENTS 2 ON A 16F WHAT IN THE WORLD

[silent crow]

can people stop doing this to themself

[past salmon]

I just saw it too 😭

[timber pawn]

They're just training for 45

[plain fossil]

tbf timer0 revenants2 is a lot different to timer3 revenants2 i got no explanation for the other ones tho

at least they didnt click suffering

[silent crow]

maybe they were scared of the other vows bc the words were too confusing

[plain fossil]

i respect that, i dont speak spanish either

[blazing isle]

I don’t know if this is the right place to ask, but how do I use “The Artificer Arcana. I have never seen a button prompt to activate it, and I have never had it activate.

[tired fulcrum]

Theres a prompt when interacting with minor rewards before you pick them up

[blazing isle]

Okay, thank you, I may just be stupid, because I have never noticed that.

Yeah, I’m just stupid and playing the game to fast to notice the prompt.

[amber osprey]

I ALSO NEVER NOTICED THAT

no it's not obvious

[blazing isle]

Glad it isn’t just me

[amber osprey]

@blazing isle #h2-feedback message

lol this whole little thread^

[blazing isle]

Thank you

[bleak night]

I should try Fresh File runs again later

[magic moss]

gm (?) Mynt

the people over in #h2-discussion are arguing about Abandon

[past salmon]

Hullo Mynt

[bleak night]

Oh, lol

Hiya

[magic moss]

👋

[past salmon]

@hearty sparrow for the moment you can alt tab whenever this happens
Should automatically pause the game

#h2-feedback message

[gilded trail]

What is the current view on aspects? I just unlocked them but haven't invested in any yet. Wondering which ones become worth it.... I also feel like Hades1 had more drastic aspects and options..... or am I just dumb and should wait until more aspects get unlocked?

[hearty sparrow]

yeah thanks i've started alt tabbing now, but it would still be nice to able to hit pause

[past salmon]

Most of the aspects in the game are pretty good
Are you looking for strength or fun factor?

[bleak night]

If you're asking about which ones entirely change how the aspect is played compared to the base Mel ones, Persephone Skull, Charon Axe and Moros Torches come to mind

Pan Blades as well, but for Staff it's just different flavours of the same thing

[gilded trail]

I'm not a great twitch reaction player, so mostly fun I guess? Something easy to do, without super high skill ceiling stuff. Some skills I can handle, but if it's tight timing or tight positioning then it gets hard. My current favorite weapons are the staff and skull, and one time with the daggers, using daedalus hammered out special with scorch - that was fun.

[past salmon]

Momus is pretty unique tbf

[gilded trail]

I see

What about strength wise? I'm curious to know too 🙂 (even if it'll take a long time to master)

[bleak night]

Charon Axe and Moros Torches seem to be the strongest rn

[past salmon]

Charon and Moros are the strongest

Moros is a bit more difficult than Charon

And by a bit probs a lot

[gilded trail]

I see, thanks guys. I'll look forward to farming material for the fun stuff first, and go for charon / moros in a bit 🙏

[bleak night]

Have fun~

[gilded trail]

So far I haven't figured out how to get axe to work well - the delay is kinda hard to time without getting hit, or miss the enemy entirely. Mobs are generally easier because cast, but bosses - it's just very hard to time / position to get my damage in without getting hurt... sad.

[past salmon]

Mynt can help with this @bleak night

[gilded trail]

Wow "the Moonstone Axe Enjoyer" haha nice

[bleak night]

I'm assuming it's with Mel Axe ?

[gilded trail]

Yeah Melinoe axe. I only just unlocked aspect and haven't invested in any aspects yet

[vagrant peak]

you can attk and dash after to reposiiton atk

[bleak night]

A good thing to note to improve your Axe gameplay is that you can cancel almost everything you do by tapping Special to block something, like a parry

The only thing you can't is when you're in the middle of a whirlwind and when your Big Chop attack lands and does damage, otherwise you can cancel it and it'll parry

[gilded trail]

I see

[bleak night]

It's heavy, but the ability to block incoming damage is deceptively really fast

so use the fact that it's slow offensively and turbo speed defensively to your advantage, since the offense hits hard anyway

I have a video up if you wanna see how I play it

[gilded trail]

I really want to land the final hit in the sequence too, for the big damage - is that a bad approach? Should I forgo the last hit in the combo most of the time for safety?

I tried just swinging around, and time getting the big hit in, at the last split second, but that's hit/miss

[bleak night]

The last hit is 4x the damage of your first swing and 2x the damage of your second swing. If you find a chance to go for it, then you must. Still, it's good to be careful so you don't eat too much hits.

[gilded trail]

Oh wow would love to see the video - where is the link 😄

[bleak night]

Let me grab it for ya

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0Y2I7fm8E

The difficulty is really high in my run, so I have to play really quickly, so don't feel the need to be pressured to play like this

[past salmon]

Did you get dashing heave early on this one
Mine might be better if you did since I didn't get it till fields

[bleak night]

I don't think I did, no. I got Psychic Whirlwind in this one

[gilded trail]

Alright guess I'll go AFK for some many minutes watching the video :p

[past salmon]

Ahh good then

[bleak night]

Yeah, it's a good vid to showcase since I use Omegas in it

[past salmon]

Dashing heave is so different to regular gameplay so

[bleak night]

So true

[vagrant peak]

i love the omega hammer atk while spinning

[bleak night]

oh, Vercel is down rn

[bleak night]

Yeah, Psychic Whirlwind is nice to have

[gilded trail]

Okay I'm like <1min into the video, and I'm surprised - you can dash and not break the combo? I actually tried to do that in town, and after failing I thought it wasn't possible 😅 I guess I didn't try hard enough.....

[bleak night]

You can take your time practicing the Axe stuff in the training area with Skelly

slow weapons take a bit of time to get a handle of

[warped harness]

do we have any scorch damage focused builds atm

doesnt have to be viable at 50 heat i just wanna know if anyone has cooked

[past salmon]

Scorch is pretty good atm! The duos freezer burn (Demeter) and hot flash (Aphro) are both quite strong.
Scorch also just intrinsically works quite well with hitch
Pyro technique is very good with hot flash
Scorch works well with Pan and other blades, and really most weapons

Mel torches with scorch on special is quite a fun one

[warped harness]

glad to see grandma packing a punch

[past salmon]

In terms of being viable at 50F. I used scorch on my attack for Artemis 50F
Mynt used scorch in their Pan 50F and I believe one of their staff 50Fs

[warped harness]

what is pyro technique again?

[past salmon]

Your scorch effects deal damage faster

[warped harness]

ah

artemis attack daggers with hestia sounds fun i might give that a go

[past salmon]

I have a vid of it on my channel if Ur at all interested

[warped harness]

as much as i love hera i wanna try out other things

oo go ahead and link me the vid

[past salmon]

https://youtu.be/UKlSO6p_4_s?si=5SfubTdQM9gLwaa4

[plain fossil]

Also if u clicked scorch u should aim for hera

Both because ER scorch is rly cracked and because the duo has like a 50% chance to win the run when u click it

[meager bramble]

Recs for my first try at 20F?

Fear recs, that is 😄

Axe, either Than or Mel

[past salmon]

Uhh Arrogance, Fury, Timer 2, Scars 2 Wandering panic whatever else to fill ig?
Id grab one in game but I'm unavailable to do so atm

Oh also forsaking for sure

[robust prism]

something along these lines https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759825872068280371/1258724896410963988/image.png?ex=66891669&is=6687c4e9&hm=10fe24c597e4d850ae757f472025036cf42db5e68961495c20426287a7f7ade0&

[past salmon]

Oh true destitution exists
This is why I shouldn't do fear recs when I'm not at my pc

[robust prism]

if you're planning to use a lot of omega moves with Than then probably get rid of panic. can also consider turning fury 2 on and removing some scars/destitution or something

[robust prism]

I somehow also forgot until I looked at the oath lmao

[past salmon]

Tbh panic is like fine now as long as you get a gain

[robust prism]

I guess

[vital jackal]

Tooth or odysseus keepsake in tartarus 32 fear with no dds?

[robust prism]

what is odysseus keepsake again?

[vital jackal]

15 percent less damage form boss, boss loses 15 percent health

[robust prism]

oh

I think tooth is better probably, but I'd also consider engraved pin

[past salmon]

Pin is best if you have it lvled

[vital jackal]

Yes I do

Alright thanks

[robust prism]

I mean pin is better if you still have some dds left so I'm not entirely sure but yeah

[past salmon]

It's still kinda better idk
You just pretend you have 1 DD and it's the same thing

Also pin will save you now between Chronos P1 and P2 which is rlly good

[robust prism]

oh cool I didn't actually know that

[past salmon]

Yeh I believe it's new with this patch

[robust prism]

so you can also activate it twice during the chronos fight?

[past salmon]

No it's weird
Lol
It will save you but you don't get another use

[robust prism]

oh ok

I thought it would just be considered 2 encounters now

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258732950409838592/image.png?ex=66891de9&is=6687cc69&hm=4b6526bc962e4ef5c6be2ad5d645db2d4447559254381a4653839816fc2bd10f&

I got scammed. I don't want to take this

At all

[robust prism]

rip

[vital jackal]

Can I not take a boon?

[robust prism]

no you have to take it unfortunately

[vagrant peak]

you dont have too

just give up in the menu EZ

[past salmon]

Apollo attack is good now atleast
High damage

[vital jackal]

Eh, I salvaged it as well as possible. Next room is a choose a god room, and I took demeter, got her cast

[past salmon]

It's not a complete brick
But also pencil meta better

[vital jackal]

So I still have freeze

But not on the attack anymore

[past salmon]

Dem cast is better than attack anyway 👍

Dem attack has pretty low damage numbers you would much rather the freeze on the cast in favour of a higher damaging attack

[vital jackal]

Ah well. We'll see how it goes, already ate a bunch of damage by forgetting that my attack doesn't freeze anymore

Yeah I died

Ah well, next run it is

[meager bramble]

Thanks all for the suggestions

I almost made it but died to timer 😭 My arrogance for taking timer 2 for the first time!

Chronos P2 literally had like 1/8 health left

I reckon next time I'll knock timer down to 1 and maybe try putting on... what's the one that removes boon choices? Arrogance?

[robust prism]

rip but gg still

[robust prism]

nothing really removes boon choices? the closest thing is forsaking which stops the boons you didn't pick from appearing again, but we already recommended starting with forsaking and max arrogance on so not sure what you picked

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258743994708656159/image.png?ex=66892832&is=6687d6b2&hm=3bbf577ff9b7f5d2bf7055f17a44baa13ceb269e73fa4b6f940a2cf549ae022a&

Ok next try. Entering chronos with two dds and an alright setup

[amber osprey]

gl gl!

[vital jackal]

Thanks

[meager bramble]

Looks like I ended up with Dominance 1, Fury 2, Commotion 1, Haunting 1, Wandering 2, Scars 2, Panic 1, Arrogance 1, Desperation 2

Wait maybe 1 less because that looks like 21 Fear?

[vital jackal]

Yeah, probably not beating chronos. Ended up with 38 health no dds in phase 2. But we'll see

I died

[past salmon]

defs run either arrogance 2 or forsaking over haunting/commotion

[meager bramble]

Gods, the testament UI really is quite yuck isn't it?

[meager bramble]

I'm now looking at Blood 1, Fury 2, Wandering 2, Scars 2, Panic 1, Forsaking 1, Arrogance 2

Oh and Desperation 1

Wondering whether to swap Forsaking out for Desperation 2? 🤔 Should I be practicing getting used to that?

But I should probably also be practicing getting used to Forsaking 😄 (though I was slightly hoping to delay it until they eventually patch it into the book boon list properly!)

[meager bramble]

Like am I just missing it somehow, or is there no display for how much a currently active Vow is even adding to your Fear?

Because if so that's wild

[past salmon]

I do reccomend timer but taking forsaking off is usually not the play
Forsaking is probs the easiest overall vow unless ur running like a magickless weapon

[meager bramble]

I've been finding Wandering mostly pretty free

[past salmon]

Wandering starts off free and then the higher fear you get the worse it becomes

[meager bramble]

Intriguing 🤔

[amber osprey]

I think it's pretty bad on the surface. I just restart the night if I see 4 harpies in room one.

[past salmon]

idk I feel like Hippos are as bad as harpies and you only have to deal with wandering for one area on surface atm

[vital jackal]

Why is the hippo projectile explosion range half the map by the way?

[meager bramble]

Panic also seems pretty chill at the moment, with the recent change and all

[plain fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751691459580919834/1258748831298879561/image.png?ex=66892cb3&is=6687db33&hm=6a2871641fc454472432c3214ac609d1f54280cd93beb7c79c9af09b7a322a55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=750&height=421 meh every time i try play this aspect above 42 i faceplant i swear

[amber osprey]

the worm spitters also run away from you. Hippos is more of a 5m timer thing, and I avoid both 5 and 7 min timers at 32f. I think for moderate to low fear, Harpies still suck the most

[plain fossil]

have to do the occasional one of these so i dont uninstall

[amber osprey]

but then again, don't you mostly do underground runs Foolish?

[plain fossil]

i like 7 minute timer at 32f its still relatively easy and u dont have to turn on as much dangerous fear like u do with 9m

if u can do 5m thats pretty nice since it lets u run neither blood nor suffering and u can tank like 20 hits

[amber osprey]

nah I die in Erebus with 7m still

I have been doing 32f pretty consistently tho these days~

I might up to 38-40, idk

[past salmon]

yeh

[amber osprey]

yeah I did a lot of surface runs to fulfill all my prophecies with boons and duos. and let me say. F*CK. Harpies.

[past salmon]

idk hippos suck overall
I die more to hippos than anything else as well
random homing projectile that also has a blast radius for some god forsaken reason is not very cool

[amber osprey]

also super valid

[meager bramble]

Just wanted to ask y'all before I pop it into #h2-feedback in case I've missed something 🙂

[past salmon]

uhh wdym

[meager bramble]

Like, if I have a square of a Vow pushed to a certain extent, there's no like "2" marker on it if it's adding 2 fear

[past salmon]

Like they have what fear numbers they will add on them before you click on them and you can also see your total fear gauge at the bottom

[meager bramble]

Just a +2 if another level will change something, and nothing at all if it's at max

[limpid coral]

u can't tell if u have blood 1 or 3

both show +2 to go to the next level

[meager bramble]

Yeah, exactly! That sort of thing

[past salmon]

it would be confusing when they already have what fear they will add before you click on them

ig they could change it so it shows max but idk at this point that may be more confusing?

[plain fossil]

I find whenever i have to move away from a hippo projectile instead of through it i just feel like 💀 💀 💀

[past salmon]

idk I'm not the best person to put my thoughts on this probs since I've memorised all the fears and their values at this point anyway 💀

[meager bramble]

Eh, I dunno - if I'm looking at a fear setup I made a few days ago, it's not very clear to me at a glance what's contributing what

That seems problematic to me

[plain fossil]

I just want a more obvious way to see what fear is taken from a screenshot

If its a part filled commotion, dominance, blood etc u cant actually see

[past salmon]

this I agree with

[amber osprey]

the UI did not need to be fixed

[plain fossil]

Imma make a feedback

[past salmon]

I guess they could change it so it shows the total amount of fear it is currently providing
But the problem is that this would mean they could not show how much fear a vow initially does for the first level?
Idk this seems annoying to implement

[limpid coral]

im sure they can find a way

[meager bramble]

I don't think it would be implausible to have one number bigger than the other

[past salmon]

I do not want 2 numbers on each vow im ngl 💀

this definitely will be more confusing
There should be an easier way

[meager bramble]

I mean, you've already memorised all of them 😅

[past salmon]

I mean I am trying to think about the new player experience
And I know from other games that having 2 different numbers next to each other with no way to tell what each do without doing stuff and looking at the changes is not great new player experience

Like I've seen a bunch of people here say it took them ages to figure out their magick refilled each room so???

[meager bramble]

I guess the Heat screen also didn't show this? Huh

[plain fossil]

There we go, done

[meager bramble]

Having just had a gander at it, not seen in a while

Gosh it really is much more compact with its information, isn't it?

[amber osprey]

could you also possibly mention the lack of actual names? that is not fun

[meager bramble]

I don't know that the big images on the Fear screen really add a ton

[plain fossil]

I agree with this and im not proposing a solution im just saying it's not good as it is

[amber osprey]

purely visual icons is really... frustrating

[plain fossil]

I'm okay with purely visual icons honestly

[meager bramble]

I guess there's an argument for "The image focus feels more witchy and the word focus on Pact of Punishment feels more bureaucratic"

[amber osprey]

it's not okay in the records tho. Way too many boons

[plain fossil]

I thought the pact names in h1 were much cuter

[amber osprey]

yeah me too. this game is just more serious

needs more memes like charon paddling Zag for misbehavior

[plain fossil]

I guess it fits with mel being a massive girlscout sure

[robust prism]

no wonder you struggled with the timer if you turned dominance, haunting and commotion on

[plain fossil]

I gotta say if theres any patch to turn commotion on its this one before ER and hitch both get deleted

[past salmon]

this is far too common honestly
The amount of mfs I see in here be like
"I play 32F with timer off cuz timer is impossible!"

And then have max commotion max revs max rebuke max dominance onion

LIKE????

[plain fossil]

Although i said arctic ring was gonna get deleted last patch and sgg just made everything else better than it lmao

[past salmon]

its still the 2nd best cast boon though 💀

[robust prism]

you can since 3 is the max but you can't tell between 1 and 2 yeah

[robust prism]

lmao yeah

[plain fossil]

Ok sure im just sayin its not impossible we go live with this hitch ER

[robust prism]

tbf I did my 32F surface clear without timer too since it felt much more difficult and onion is a lot easier

[plain fossil]

I think the first surface 32f i did was timer2 fury1 onion lmao

Polyphemus was making me rage

[past salmon]

I very highly doubt it lol

[past salmon]

I mean thats like fine for surface Onion kinda free

[amber osprey]

Do you think Aphro's new legendary will stay? honestly that and elementary particles both feel like chaos boons

[plain fossil]

Hey man last patch i woulda said that about arctic ring and it survived np

[past salmon]

current ER is far more busted than Arctic could ever hope to be

[past salmon]

I doubt Aphros will be touched?

Elementary might go
A lot of people saying its busted
Tbh im not convinced but eh

[robust prism]

why would aphro's legendary not stay? I don't think it's that op?

[amber osprey]

hey guys got any meme builds?

[robust prism]

elementary might get tweaked Ig

[plain fossil]

If aphro's legendary gets changed/reworked it'll be because of bugs not power

[amber osprey]

it's not op but it just... has nothing to do with her? like. thematically?

[plain fossil]

Love handles

[robust prism]

eh I think it's fine

[plain fossil]

I dont like elementary because the highroll is so high

[past salmon]

it do be the gambling boon tho

[plain fossil]

Idk if its too good on average, it does have a pretty mediocre lowroll

But im not sure about it just because of that variance

[amber osprey]

just sounds like a chaos boon to me shrugs

[robust prism]

to me it kinda sounds more like it could be a hermes legendary since he also has the 2 of every element infusion

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258756427145543700/image.png?ex=668933c6&is=6687e246&hm=087456411e9a85164090235ca2125240f524dbb9d6dc83cd4b277fc766b04ca1&

[plain fossil]

Yea maybe its okay in a more casual game like this hey im just competitive brainrot

[vital jackal]

Echo is a legend. The last thing I picked up was a hammer so she gave me another one

[plain fossil]

Aiming for the spiegelschlag hard carry i see

[vital jackal]

Exactly

[meager bramble]

I mean, understanding the ways that Vows (optional, heavily customisable difficulty settings, that some people will never use at all) intersect is surely fairly complex

People aren't being stupid, they're just a) experimenting with complex systems and b) don't have as thorough an understanding of the game as people who comfortably run high Fear

[past salmon]

idk I feel like seeing "+60% Enemies" will make a person thunk that maybe this will potentially make timer a lil harder

[robust prism]

well it doesn't really take 200 hours in the game to figure out that things that make rooms take longer will cause you to struggle with the timer more

[plain fossil]

I didnt even play much h1 and it took me a while to adjust to the differences

Like commotion is easier than h1, rebuke is harder, timer is harder, onion is way harder, etc

[past salmon]

yeh this

[bleak night]

No Böse Schlag to go with your Langer Schlag and Spiegelschlag?

[meager bramble]

It doesn't take 200 hours in the game but it does take a certain level of confidence and thought that not everyone is going to have straight up

[plain fossil]

So i was like okay every run blue shields never click commotion wtf why is 32 so hard

[robust prism]

fair enough

[past salmon]

are these all the crack hammers I dont know icons

[past salmon]

I mean I dont click commotion before 50F cuz that sht sucks

[bleak night]

Seems to be Extending Wallop and Mirrored Thrasher

[past salmon]

that do be kinda crack
Mirrored kinda just carries by itself

[robust prism]

wicked thrasher, extending wallop and mirrored thrasher in german

[plain fossil]

Im perfectly happy to click commotion at 40 this patch ngl

[bleak night]

I'm honestly surprised I won once without Mirrored Thrasher lol

[plain fossil]

Especially if it lets me turn off revenants

[past salmon]

wait wicked is in there?
HOLY CRACK

[bleak night]

nope, just saying "What if you had it"

[robust prism]

no but mynt mentioned it

[vital jackal]

Wasn't given to me

[bleak night]

Is that seriously the name of it lmao, I was guessing

[plain fossil]

Theres no wicked, its extending + cross cataclysm + mirrored

[past salmon]

My Circe had no Mirrored just wicked
Idk it wasnt that bad ig its just obviously worse than Mirrored

[bleak night]

wtf are all of you German

[vital jackal]

Nah it's Schreckensschlag but I guessed

[plain fossil]

No i just know what the hammers do lul

[robust prism]

I am

[bleak night]

Ah, Schlag

[amber osprey]

[past salmon]

did you have wicked for this or just cracked out of ur mind or smth

[robust prism]

I always play games in English tho idk playing them in German usually feels wrong

[plain fossil]

Like theres only 1 100% hammer, 1 50% hammer and 1 hammer thats got a red 30%

[bleak night]

I think I had Wicked

[past salmon]

yeh I had the same then
Its just a bit worse mirrored tbf

[bleak night]

Yeah, it was Extending + Wicked

[past salmon]

Also imo imo just get both and walk through the game like I did on my Momus 50F lmao

[bleak night]

Just get all 3 for the Chinese Fisherman build

[past salmon]

real and true

[bleak night]

Rapid + Wicked + Mirrored + Static Shock

[robust prism]

has anyone managed to get rapid, wicked and mirrored in one run?

[bleak night]

The Chinese player that did 50F Circe last patch, yes

[past salmon]

the chinese fisherman build

[robust prism]

oh lmao

[bleak night]

That's why we call it that, yeah. The guy's name is Fishing Fishing Fishing

[past salmon]

Second 50F clear other than Momus lmao
The RNG did hit

Its a fun clear to watch

[surreal hazel]

Yes, it was disgusting

[bleak night]

I'd be down to have a fun relaxing meme run where I have all the Staff hammers modded in

[robust prism]

did he get the third one through echo or through experimental hammer

[surreal hazel]

Sworn Strike on top

[past salmon]

Uhh
Cant remember actually lmao
Its been a while since I watched it

[robust prism]

fair

[plain fossil]

Echo

I didnt watch the run i just saw the hammers in the boon screen, experimental hammer is in the keepsake area

[bleak night]

I just tried Apollo + Extending Wallop and the range is apparently 25% of the screen

so that's definitely incredibly interesting

[past salmon]

lmao

[obtuse tendon]

love stacking my casts with boons

[vital jackal]

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!? SO CLOSE!!! AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

HE WAS AT UNDER 25% 2ND PHASE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

[normal walrus]

TIL, Paralyzing Charm can singlehandedly kill a run

[past salmon]

I feel you
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1254702628835950652/image.png?ex=6688f4e1&is=6687a361&hm=ad8d1fc7d2e030513a4ea0c698b64d89ba8e116c3e0419d99c6a7f439c1abc08&

[bleak night]

would've won if you had Schreckensschlag

[vital jackal]

...yeah well

[bleak night]

It's fine, you'll get it next time

[tall notch]

Good morning!!

[past salmon]

good morning I'm about to go to bed 💀

[tall notch]

Clear 55f Moros first

[vital jackal]

Ok now this is a scam. I picked up hammer last again so echo can give me a third one. On the way to echo I took some free gold. Now she's offering me gold instead of a hammer.

...I hate everything

[past salmon]

Bruh lmao

Boutta be awake for the next week

[past salmon]

Ahh the classic

[steel sequoia]

i just woke up

[past salmon]

All you people living in the past

[wise idol]

time traveler! Seize them!

[tall notch]

It's you who lives in the future

[past salmon]

Well me from el future let's you know I totally definitely clear Moros 55F in 13 hours time and therefore going to sleep

[tall notch]

Sweet dreams!!

[past salmon]

Gonna dream of dying in tart on Moros 55F for the third time

[magic moss]

i just woke up lmao

[vital jackal]

Quick update since that scam. Up until that point I was on 3 dds. I lost 1 each in the next two rooms, bought anotherone in tartarus, lost 2 more in tatarus. Now I stand before chronos with 0 dds

[magic moss]

rip

[vital jackal]

Yeah, I died

[rancid berry]

how come it's not allowed to post images?

[vital jackal]

You can

[magic moss]

they disabled direct image posting so you have to post an image link

[vital jackal]

You just have to go to another thread/server, post it, copy the link and then post the link here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1258778118538264576/image.png?ex=668947fa&is=6687f67a&hm=c81d2e855dadc214ef9d5aa93325fa10aafa4f2789e13979dfb1ae37608f6247&

Also @magic moss I'm using this fear setup for underworld

Is this good

[rancid berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693055956250001440/1258778233990549655/image.png?ex=66894815&is=6687f695&hm=9b81b690cfc969ac26cd75eae3d180d2464f81e3b989a93608e116ef2854022c&

Then feast your eyes on this

[vital jackal]

What?

[magic moss]

this is what 32F? It looks good

[vital jackal]

Yep. I trained a bit with the timer

[magic moss]

i personally would remove revenants but if it works for you and you can clear under 7 min by all means go for it

[vital jackal]

Mostly because everything else was extremely annoying

[magic moss]

welcome to the life

theres a reason why we advocate for timer so hard

[bleak night]

Yeah, timer takes away from some of the busted enemies

[steel sequoia]

tbh if you clear erebus in 5m i think the rest is far better to deal

[magic moss]

ok now im wondering

pos aphro with strength might be the easiest way to clear

just stack infinite dmg reduction and face tank chronos

[uneven palm]

That’s IMO probably going to be a lot of people’s first clear outside of lucking into some godly DPS where you just instaphase

Maybe not Strength bc that’s so far down the Arcana stack but stacking Health and Weak with big attack numbers

[magic moss]

alright now i really wanna play some more staff 50Fs

[bleak night]

damn, you do ?

[magic moss]

oh yeah baby

i have so many different builds i want to try out

that dont use ER

[bleak night]

that's fair

[magic moss]

i mean if i roll er o well but i do want to play more staff regardless

[steel sequoia]

staff for me is get Static Shock

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1258784914984140912/image.png?ex=66894e4e&is=6687fcce&hm=32e9a3bf91c8b1665674b1c0f2a0e063a42f69511ab7d073fbd929f4fd547e18& thoughts on my 32f setup? this is meli skulls

[magic moss]

why do you have suffering 2 and no arrogance 2 and why rebuke but no wandering and revanents 2?

[tall notch]

Why not

[magic moss]

yknow what sure go for it

i cant tell if you're trolling or not but timer 2 and arrogance 2 is far better than rebuke 2 and suffering 2

[tall notch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1dvg668/interest_check_random_loadout_challenge_2/ oh it's just this loadout

[steel sequoia]

i dont really read reddit, think they wont oustmart us

[magic moss]

ohhh ok lmfao

[tall notch]

but what's funny to me is that this randomly generated loadout isn't as bad as some real ones I've seen out here

[magic moss]

fr

[magic moss]

did you see that 16F earlier

#h2-victory-boasting message

[tender anvil]

Have you seen the suggested Arcana loadout? that's kind of the crux of the challenge

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258788188973957231/image.png?ex=6689515b&is=6687ffdb&hm=e992593bfd75ec1135a5633d0dadb4c48a9cc465aa29707c581d06bdcbf9def6& classic erebus

[bleak night]

What the hell is that Vow setup

[magic moss]

idk dont ask me

[tall notch]

Yeah I died to cerb because no lovers lol

[tender anvil]

no DD's is worse imo. That was like real ironman build

[tall notch]

If that's what they cooked for 16f I am scared of their 32f

[bleak night]

I'll be recommending Blood 3 and Suffering 2 for someone's 8F next time

[tall notch]

Does that even add up to 8f

[bleak night]

I think so

yeah, it's 9

[tall notch]

The best 8f is clearly abandonment + onion

[magic moss]

i am slowly growing to dislike oceanus more and more than erebus

this region just has everything bad about the game

hippos, can spawn bawlders, gazillion whisper spawns, gazillion spindles, large rooms, annoying ass traps, barely any boons, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[tired fulcrum]

I mean thats where the hippos came from

[vale gate]

what are the best fear to take

[bleak night]

For ?

[vale gate]

im doing 20 but i meant in general

[bleak night]

Destitution, Arrogance, Desperation 2, Forsaking are the usual go-tos

also Wandering

usually the last things to be turned on are Bitterness and Haunting

[vale gate]

why not desperation 3

[bleak night]

You can run Rebuke if your weapon wants Scorch or Poseidon Waves, or if you wanna just use Engagement Ring