h2-builds-and-combat

[sour cape]

and I healed like 100 hp at one point

from Momus effect

[turbid hull]

Will look at it at some point

[sour cape]

Did get Coarse Grit right before Chronos though

[iron flame]

ooh ill try that and see if works well for me!

[turbid hull]

rn focusing on path of stars, I'm at 3/8

[sour cape]

could also actually take full no heal since Momus heal ignores that fear

rather than more enemies or high dmg

and then try to get Poseidon infusion with Coarse Grit

i actually needed to take Hephaestus in Tartarus to complete Coarse Grit 💀

[civic ocean]

good lord

[iron flame]

thats fair, ive been trying atm momus staff, thantos axe, and mel daggers. cause those are my favorite weapons. i also just think i need more practice cause 1 through 16 i think i can do pretty consistently now its the jump to the second half im really feeling it.

[sour cape]

and only did so because of the last Charon room 😆

[tall notch]

Does anyone know if the mechanic from Hades 1 where certain hammers would be disabled on certain aspects or when you had some other hammers incompatible with them is present in this game? If so, is there a list of the interactions?

[sour cape]

was 5/6 💀

I did Poseidon Keepsake-Demeter-Chaos Embryo- Hephaestus

[civic ocean]

I have heard that Artemis Blades cannot be offered the Omega Attack shutdown hammer

[tall notch]

That's big if it's true, should mean I can safely play the hammer keepsake on Arty blades right?

[sour cape]

is Aphro best for Artemis?

[civic ocean]

idk if its true though I dont play arty

[sour cape]

Or should just be poseidon spamming?

[tall notch]

I had a decent experience with going Apollo and building towards the legendary but honestly not sure if that is the meta

[sour cape]

ohh yea Apollo legendaries really good for it

but like uhh seems hard to get

[civic ocean]

spiteful seems good because heph flourish seems insane on blades in general

[tall notch]

Hmm and I'd probably want Heph for defense anyway in high fear

[civic ocean]

just a ranged 400 dmg nuke that can aoe

shields are badge tho

[tall notch]

Do you reckon Hera start for born gain, Heph either for that special nuke or one of the prerequisites and then the duo could go hard?

[civic ocean]

I start heph on pan and take volc strike but idk

[tall notch]

Yeah I wouldn't play blue hearts on Arty

[sour cape]

I start Poseidon on Pan 😂

[tall notch]

I've been getting a hang of the "teleport towards enemy and instantly dash away" gameplay

[sour cape]

Even the normal special deals pretty good dmg with Pos

Mel dagger also seems to be about Poseidon special

and just backstab with em 😔😔

[stable sable]

I've decided that my recent failed runs are in fact not to blame on a skill issue but rather on torches simply being torches

I love you, aspect of Moros, but I will simply not ever use you or Eos for Fear 18+ ever again

[tall notch]

I get Moros, but Eos?

It's the magical girl weapon

[zenith bolt]

😶

[pulsar canopy]

i'm using aspect of Pan at rank IV and I got the chaos boon that makes you use -40% magic. that decreased the number of shots for my charged omega special from 27 to 16?? is this intended or a bug, do you all think?

[stable sable]

I have simply not felt Eos builds to be quite as breakable as most other weapons

[zenith bolt]

probably rounding issue for the magick cost

[civic ocean]

it does not decrease the number of shots - that indicator is the mana cost for each shot, not the total number of knives you shoot

[pulsar canopy]

ohhhhh you're right

[stable sable]

Maybe I haven't found the right build yet but for example my average dagger or axe run needs to see a single decent hammer and it's already over for chronos but I simply haven't found that level of power on Eos yet

[pulsar canopy]

that makes more sense than shooting 27 arrows at once, thank you

[civic ocean]

Samurai never blames the sword

[stable sable]

And Moros kind of requires a "suicide bomber" playstyle aka charge your weapons and run into the crowd and I've found that that playstyle isn't very viable on high Fear

[stable sable]

I'm not blaming the weapon but rather stating that Eos builds don't feel like they can achieve the same insane power levels and tbh some boss fights just feel somewhat tedious on your average Eos run

As I said I may have simply not found the proper build yet but that's just my experience for now

I ddi however find a very fun Moros build in Poseidon sprint plus Zeus special though

[silent crow]

maybe its not on the same power level but its certainly viable and its very safe from my experience

this may be a hot take but eos torches have very good control

[stable sable]

Yes it's very safe but I just like to melt bosses

[silent crow]

being able to strafe and attack is very good

[silent crow]

thats fair but eos isnt rly built to do that

[stable sable]

I'll probably return to Eos to claim my final Ygnium nightmare at some point but I probably won't play it on high Fear beyond that

[silent crow]

i mean u could try mel aspect with omega special spam

that can do some crazy numbers

[stable sable]

Eh at that point I could just play Moros but special spam instead of Walking Ring of Death playstyle

[silent crow]

i havent tried moros much it seems really awkward

[stable sable]

It's fun ocne you get used to it but as I said imo the playstyle for it becomes somewhat awkward in higher fear levels

[tall notch]

Not a hot take at all, they are incredible

[stable sable]

You sort of get the most out of Moros by charging Omega Special and running into the crowd and blowing things up with your attacks

But, well, being in the middle of the crowd on high Fear is basically choosing to die

Also Moros is very good at making use of duo boons like Zeus Poseidon or Poseidon Hestia

[silent crow]

gotta pick up some demeter i guess

[silent crow]

hmm so like plant attacks and then go in and bomb

[stable sable]

Since you'll be alternating between Specials and Attacks anyway

Which means you'll apply both curses pretty quick and it will usually be active

[silent crow]

now that you mention it that seems kind of awesome

[tall notch]

Moros would be fun if not for its tendecy to get the ghosts stuck in weird places

[stable sable]

Alternatively if you wanna try something sillier, try an incredible high roll build

[iron flame]

what do you guys consider to be the better hades boons? I personally like the skull shot if im going for a cast build or summon less minions

[stable sable]

Hear me out: pack ALL THE REROLLS, YOU'LL NEED

[silent crow]

i always take max rolls idk what else to get really

[stable sable]

Roll for: Apollo legendary, heartthrobs and Aphrodite Apollo duo

You will create an impenetrable ring of death whenever you use your omega special and it's really satisfying on low fear where you can pop enemies quickly

[silent crow]

skull shots great yeah, chronos spawning fewer minions and the heal one are good too

[stable sable]

If you're especially lucky youll also find the extra special hammer which means even bigger ring of death

[zenith bolt]

less minions is the best pick, followed by chronos takes damage and healing if you're desperate

[stable sable]

This is why Moros is, in my opinion the most interesting weapon currently in the game

[silent crow]

heartthrob ahh i forgot abt that boon

[stable sable]

It enables some very silly boon combos

[silent crow]

maybe im missing out
honestly its a shame the torches are a little weak their aspects are by far the most interesting

[zenith bolt]

eos 🔛 🔝

[stable sable]

Torches just need less awkward hammers tbh

That's my main complaint, some hammers just ruin your playstyle

[silent crow]

damn the hammers just give them an actual basekit

[stable sable]

For example no self respecting player will usually pick the ones that make omega special stay in place

Because it following you is usually pretty important to your survival as it clears our most things that would come close to you

[silent crow]

dire candle is so lol the dmg buff isnt even for base dmg so it hits for like 400 after you spend 3 seconds charging it and then it resets

[stable sable]

I'm sure there's some people who like that hammer but in my experience it's awkward to utilize

[zenith bolt]

dire candle is more awkward than bad

[stable sable]

I believe in Moros supremacy

It may not be the strongest, but it certainly is the most stylish

[silent crow]

clean candle is pretty great tho love the magic cost reduction

[tired fulcrum]

Nah, it means less heart throbs

[silent crow]

there are a ton of nothing hammers for the attack

theres one thats like +15% fire rate but -70% movespeed that seems brutal

[zenith bolt]

split fire is good on eos, both the attack boost speed ones are good

[silent crow]

i havent had a great time with split fire

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah idk why that even has to have a downside

[trail roost]

dear lord help me, how do i get through a trial of haste????

[zenith bolt]

you can dash and cast during omega attack so it's not even that bad

[silent crow]

i mean i guess but i rely on that strafe a lot

[stable sable]

The main problem with hammers for Ygnium is that their star upgrades are nowhere near as noticeable as other hammers

[modern yacht]

I finally got a medea skull build to work for me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827690475459706920/1244055988542242926/Screenshot_2024-05-25_153358.png?ex=6653b8ed&is=6652676d&hm=ec70d39987a70dbf1ae24ebd55fa323609f4d25c02de4b9c420dbb07fe92124b&

[silent crow]

hammers having star upgrades and not being rerollable is a design flaw imo

[zenith bolt]

i think it's more a symptom of some hammers being "your damage is doubled with no downside"

[civic ocean]

what do you mean by star upgrades

[silent crow]

YEAH

[zenith bolt]

eg hook knives

[silent crow]

staff literally has 3 of those

[zenith bolt]

lets be real no one is using main attack on staff

[civic ocean]

Hook knives is great but if you're play an attack focus Arty build it's a brick right

[silent crow]

i have it was pretty decent with that hammer

[proven orbit]

I'm not real then ig

[fair depot]

Is the hestia legendary worth it, I feel like when I’ve taken it it just makes it harder to proc the 300 burst

[silent crow]

hook knives is so good i use the arty parry to get crits on the special

[zenith bolt]

mel built for omega moves, circe bad, momus is built for special spam

[stable sable]

I'd love Aspect of Artemis if I weren't so bad at timing the parry

[silent crow]

there is no timing you just hold

[stable sable]

Yes but I'm a little stupid you see

I will manage to somehow not get the parry off and then get hit immediately after it runs out

[tall notch]

Not being ultra-reliant on hammers doubling my DPS but still getting use out of them is one of the things I like about playing Eos

[civic ocean]

Hammers have always been by design unreliable since H1 and that's just part of the deal I think, at some point it's nice to not be able to have every run be engineered to be the same way IMO

[tall notch]

Normal attack spam staff could be really powerful if it had ANY aspect support for it

[spice summit]

Huh, it says here you died because you timed out. Have you considered going faster ?

[zenith bolt]

kinda what i meant yeah

none of the aspects are built for slugging things with your stick

[silent crow]

it sucks when your run gets cucked bc you got offered 6 special hammers on an atk build

[zenith bolt]

i try not to build with hammers in mind

[tall notch]

Like the potential is there. The combo is fun to use, the hammers add a lot to it, there are boons that would benefit the playstyle but none of the aspects do anything with it

[zenith bolt]

its more "it would be nice if i had this hammer" to me

[tall notch]

It's nice to get builds that are not hammer-reliant but for some weapons I just can't make that happen 😦 I can't play Charon without charge speed increase even though I know the weird tech

[zenith bolt]

shrimply play safer

charon does 3 billion damage per cast anyway

[ornate skiff]

Aspect of Medea was my first win actually, i like the gameplay of it

[civic ocean]

Sudden Cleaver is pretty goated

[turbid hull]

FINALLY FINISHED PATH OF STARS AAAAAA

[tall notch]

YOU DID IT

[turbid hull]

now I'm going to bed bye (it's soon 1 am)

[iron flame]

just managed to beat 24 fear for the first time using mels aspect for the daggers. the aphro + backstab damage just melts bosses so well. and thanks to heras recharge boon i was able to spam it. does healing water get affected by fear? cause i felt like i was still being healed alot by it

[tall notch]

Slow weapons and I simply don't get along. Could never play Rama in h1 for example 😭

[zenith bolt]

rama was my baby 😶

[spare kite]

rama my beloved

[lusty heron]

I miss my demeter fists

[civic ocean]

strim time have fun reminiscing

[barren parrot]

Might be a dumb question but, do things labeled as "Attack" also increase the damage of the omega attack? Like Ice Strike, increases attack damage, does that damage also increase the omega damage? Because I got the boon weed killer which specifically calls out omega attacks. And I got the Lucid Gain boon and it didn't seem to work in omega casts. So I am wonder if omega is just omega and attack is just attack or if attack can also apply to omega but omega cant apply to attack.

[civic ocean]

Singular/Plural matters

[barren parrot]

oh, theres an "Attack" and a "Attacks"

[civic ocean]

If it says "attack" its only the base attack, if it says "attacks" it is both

[hybrid vale]

I believe “Attacks” plural refers to both, but “Attack” and “Omega Attack” singularly refer to themselves

Yeah

[barren parrot]

I feel like that might need to be made more apparent

Thank you, that clears up a lot of things for me

Mmmm, weird that I didnt seem to be getting the benefit of lucid gain while in omega cast, might be because of demeter's Local Climate that makes your cast move with you?

[iron flame]

where you attacking while in your omega cast? i believe that hinders the rate of recharge quite a bit or even halts it. i feel like ya just got to stand in your cast for a second or two without attacking to get back to max and then go into it

[proven orbit]

From what I gathered, most forms of mana regen just entirely stop if you spent mana recently

Makes torch attack builds painful if you aren't doing like fixed/born gain

[steel sequoia]

are these achievable? legendary or something? or is missing in patch? https://postimg.cc/HcTN0KM3

[sturdy trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241903575068577952/1244061173222084658/image.png?ex=6653bdc1&is=66526c41&hm=ecf5c32440a12b5fd5ff24df3d7dc4c5d5d9ed9f73bb29772b508f58e5797534& This build (with 10% dodge card) put me in a situation where I was just waiting around for someone to eventually hit me so I could regain mana 😂 45% dodge

[spare kite]

Missing yeah

(defiance is the legendary)

[steel sequoia]

allright thanks 4 info

[primal inlet]

Has someone else also noticed that if you cancel your axe's standard attack into a dash attack by sashing after starting the attack animation, your next standard axe attack will come out with basically no windup?

[barren parrot]

mmm probably the case, i was using the axe and bascially had hammers to build around just spamming omega cast and omega attack repeatedly to be a giant death blender

[steel sequoia]

ive done pretty much everything besides 32 fear and trial of haste

[barren parrot]

trial of haste sucks

[steel sequoia]

i suffered a bit with the thanatos trial ngl, but trial of haste is awful for me

[iron flame]

im having trouble with eos trial. i suck using the candle sticks lmao

[barren parrot]

eos with aphrodite?

[iron flame]

ya!

[barren parrot]

get them in a line, aim down the barrel, dash back

play the vorpal line damage game

[warped harness]

this i think is an underrated reason why born gain is broken, its more mana than you'll need but it's also mana you always have access to in a very simple way

[sturdy trail]

Born gain is really good, the only potential problem is if you don't have a high enough mana pool you could get bricked during longer fights like chronos.

[iron flame]

ya im just having trouble with the octopus miniboss cause he gets my life so low that if eris hits me with a spam attack its over. ive gotten close just need to sit down and try. dont know why im having so much trouble with it cause all the other trials i manage like in 1 to 2 tries.

[barren parrot]

gotta get more hearts, and hearthrob boon if you can. it helps burst the tentacles down

[iron flame]

true but if you are using reroll tarot cards you should be able to find one or two mana jars to be set for the rest of the run. or a hestia sac boon to give ya like +70 magic and health

i just love rerolling for heras born again. tis too good to pass up

[barren parrot]

i dunno, hera just feels weird

i dont like her cast and hitch feels so bleh

[sturdy trail]

Hitch is pretty good, I initially didn't like it cause I had boss brain (wont help me with the boss, the adds will die too quick), but it counts as a curse for the +50% dmg card, and helps with room clearing

[iron flame]

she gives pretty amazing buffs for attack and special and hitch is just more damage. her cast does feel weak but i really love getting her to buff boon recovery and an attack stat if i still need to buff one of em. her revenge also does quite a bit of damage

[median lintel]

I agree, i like hitch and shared damage in concept, but i feel like its super finicky to actually trigger. like either it doesnt last long or doesn't apply reliably?

[sturdy trail]

Admitedly though, hitch sprint is a little awkward, I posted some feedback asking them to put a hitbox in front of mel because it looked to me like there wasn't one.

[iron flame]

i love hitch especially with chronos makes me feel less swarmed cause it melts the enemies so fast while i focus on chronos

[barren parrot]

i definitely see how its good but it feeling weird is my problem, also do have a bit of boss brain so that changes things too. I just think you get more value out of a lot of the other gods

[median lintel]

yea the sprint is definitely awkward, it doesn't apply well. which sucks cause in concept it would be a great sprint

[iron flame]

i really love hera attack for thantos axe. you can melt so many things so fast just spin, hitch everything and watch as so much stuff dies

[proven orbit]

Given it lasts 8 seconds, I'd say it's the latter

[zenith bolt]

beginning to think i should mute #h2-discussion

[tall notch]

What did they do this time

[zenith bolt]

"mel > artemis bc backstab > crit"

for blades

[tall notch]

?????

[zenith bolt]

dont try to make sense of it

[tall notch]

Did they not read the aspect and the part where it boosts your omega charge speed by like 50%

Arty daggers are better even if you don't intend to parry anything ever

[spare kite]

Lmfao

[silent crow]

honestly theyre based as hell parrying sucks and i hate it

[sour cape]

Idk what the reasoning was there 😂

It was like "well Arty you crit with lower dmg but Mel can also crit too with higher dmg"

[tall notch]

Your parry hate is a bit saad

[silent crow]

no! it sucks! please make parrying cool again

[sour cape]

it is pretty annoying that Parry doesnt get used up before like Demeter first hit block

Whats the reasoning for that 💀💀

[zenith bolt]

parry should have priority over all barriers and disable dodging while active

[sour cape]

Its kinda silly dodging too but 😔

[tall notch]

I get most of my parries by running into projectiles

[steel sequoia]

im not using this dagger again, not for my newb player

im having fun with the charon, dont need to smash my mouse to win, im trying to adapt to 40% speed

[sour cape]

Which dagger?

Pan is prob the easiest I think

[karmic gust]

i really wish you couldnt dodge when you have your parry ready. I kept on omega attacking into enemies and taking massive damage because i dodged instead of parrying 😭

[sour cape]

Mel also prob best with spamming specials 😂

[steel sequoia]

artemis, not for my newb play

[sour cape]

Yea Artemis can be clunky

and very mana reliant

But is good for omega attack spam 😎😎

[steel sequoia]

i wanna try persephone but i dont wanna burst all my left nightmares now

[mystic bison]

Yeah Howling Soul is the best Hades upgrade, bar none

Just completely destroys Kronos' mobility

[sour cape]

Hades Ranged cast is nice

[cinder path]

is this dad cast?

[steel sequoia]

what is howling soul?

[mystic bison]

Yes

[cinder path]

yea its the best one

[mystic bison]

-50% adds is a close second

And then all the others are mid

[balmy coyote]

I always just turn off my brain and pick the 20% dmg lol

Barely tried the other ones

[steel sequoia]

i like the -20% too, idk which one is the howling soul tho

[sour cape]

Howling Soul is the ranged cast

Fire a skull that makes your cast

[mystic bison]

The 20% dmg is useless, it's easy to burst down pre enrage phase 1 Kronos

[sour cape]

It sticks to enemiea so thats nice for Chronks

[steel sequoia]

still dont know which one is it lmao

[mystic bison]

Hades ranged cast

[sour cape]

It fires a skull and when the skull hits an enemy, makes a cast

[mystic bison]

And the cast sticks to the enemy

[steel sequoia]

"Your Casts launch a projectile dead ahead. The binding circle forms where it hits. Impact Damage: 200 "

[charred granite]

What's the general opinion on torches? I find omega special builds with melinoe torches to just be super smooth

[steel sequoia]

dont remember it tbh i never pick it looks like

[zenith bolt]

the only benefit of the -20% hp is that it generally means you can skip the 2nd summons in phase 1 bc he has a cap on the amount of minions active at once

[zenith bolt]

mel and eos both good

[steel sequoia]

torches are cluncky af, i like mel but the best is eos which is attack unfortunatelly

but if u get enough boosts mel is so fun to play

[tall notch]

this is an eos-loving channel, we like eos around here

[steel sequoia]

cant remember who made this tier:

Momus
Pan
Thanatos

Eos
Charon
Persephone
Artemis
Medea

[zenith bolt]

delusion

charon below thanatos is insaneposting

[main hatch]

How do you like biulding the staff?

[astral edge]

besides the momus cheese?

[steel sequoia]

Spiteful Strength momus

[charred granite]

I usually open hera boon, get born gain, and then spam channel orbs all day.
The fact that the channel orbs move at full speed during her channel slow is super super powerful imo.

[sinful shore]

i always want to do a different build but i cant bring myself to pick a worse hammer on purpose

[main hatch]

It's just... mathmatically not. It's more consistent by necessity of crit being chance based, but the 3x damage is so much better than the 1.5x backstab gives you. Especially because there are other ways to get backstab on top of crits for truly ridiculous numbers.

[main hatch]

Yes.

[zenith bolt]

not to mention like, backstab is additive and crit is multiplicative afaik

[charred granite]

Backstabs are also additive with your other +%. Crit chance is an independent multiplier. So long as you're not attacking once every two seconds, crit is almost always better

[main hatch]

Yeah!

[tired fulcrum]

They should allow stuff like mel aspect to be multiplicative

[main hatch]

Especially because blades is literally the fastest weapon in the game

[mystic bison]

Thanatos nowhere near top 3

Eos and Charon are better weapons

[astral edge]

i want to like charon but the visual clutter can be kinda awful

especially with apollo...

[mystic bison]

Well you don't need to be near enemies with Charon so there's that

[main hatch]

Hell no. No way Artemis is second to last. Artemis is unquestionably top three AT LEAST

[steel sequoia]

i like charon but tbh u mostly wanna spam solar ring everytime

u cant get like an hera cast lmao

[mystic bison]

The reason Charon is better is because it's more consistent (and fun, to me)

[steel sequoia]

mel torch is fun and consistent, not good tho

[mystic bison]

Thanatos is nearly unworkable without faster channeling

[zenith bolt]

bad example bc hera cast is kinda trashy after oceanus

[main hatch]

Boom. Just boom. So much Boom.

[steel sequoia]

tbh i learned myself to play it channeling like 3-4secs not the full time in the earlies, improved my runs by a lot of consistency

[cinder path]

hera cast is fine i think

[tall notch]

Hera cast is very much speedrun tech, for high fear it also loses hard on value the second you take a blue heart

[main hatch]

Best chunk damage in the game as far as I can tell.

[tall notch]

And not being a speedrun choice does not make a weapon bad

[mystic bison]

Hera is one of the worst casts in the game imo, faster Erebus clearing aside

I wouldn't even take it on Pan

[zenith bolt]

i didnt say hera cast was bad generally, it's just not that good in later areas bc enemies have hp

[tall notch]

Hera cast very much is this thing I would take for speedrunning and nothing else

[cinder path]

i wouldn't build my entire run around hera cast but its a very acceptable throwaway slot

[tall notch]

I like Demeter and Hestia for the "cast for non-cast builds" slot so much more tbh

[mystic bison]

Getting Hera on Pan means giving up an easy origination proc from other casts, not worth it imo

[cinder path]

demeter cast is just broken

[mystic bison]

I like Aphro too

[cinder path]

she has good scaling for casts and its valuable on its face

[mystic bison]

Aphro cast ensures no one can move out of it

[cinder path]

hestia is just origination and aprho cast is better at that

[tall notch]

I guess Aphro is good too but... my builds kinda don't have space for her as a god unless I'm doing something with passion dash?

[steel sequoia]

dem cast is the best cast imo, and i think apollo is busted

[cinder path]

apollo is niche

[limber dock]

heartbreaker is crazy on torches

[steel sequoia]

nah, u can run evrything

[cinder path]

dem cast is busted

[mystic bison]

Yeah I won't be aiming for her generally but if I come across her early on I won't hesitate to get the cast

[tall notch]

The fact that so much of her support stuff is centred around healing also makes her less appealing to me

[cinder path]

dem has solid chip damage, status for origination, and scaling opportunities in demeter's cast pool

[steel sequoia]

dem is busted, but they made a boon that follows you so it gets bad

[cinder path]

demeter cast is insanely busted. its my current favorite on charon

[mystic bison]

Even outside of antler stuff I don't find them that useful either, her gain sucks too

[tall notch]

That gain reads to me as "always apply weak to one enemy in the combat", I don't think I've ever made much use out of the regen

[steel sequoia]

i always want hearthrob and idc about the rest

[mystic bison]

And not only does it force you to stay close to an enemy to regen - putting yourself at risk - but the regen is extremely low too, not worth at all imo

[astral edge]

i feel like aphro's regen would be much stronger if it simply applied when you were nearby any enemy
still risky but way less specific

[tall notch]

The god pool being 3 made me way pickier about gods in general. If I'm bringing a god into a build I either want them to do more than one thing for me or do that one thing extremely well

[steel sequoia]

im watching newbs playing in twitch cause im tired to play myself, without controller is really punishing to play

[silent crow]

aphros gain is serviceable for me

usually i want her cast if i want to be close to enemies so its just a decent passive regen

[tall notch]

Are heartthrobs nice? Yeah. But unless I'm playing the passion dash build and also aiming for Apollo, I won't dedicate a god slot to Aphro

[astral edge]

it's a no-brainer on knives if you're not going with born gain or poseidon's

[mystic bison]

I used to think it was bad, but now I like the 3 god pool way more

Makes builds more focused, and ensures you will get what you need instead of juggling 4 gods

[cinder path]

mouse and keyboard has its advantages i wouldn't sell it short

[steel sequoia]

yeah my granny fingers are hurt by now i need breaks

[silent crow]

so many times my 4th god in h1 was ares and he would do nothing so i dont rly feel that 3 gods are that limiting

[cinder path]

the meta on shield in hades 1 was basically all mouse and keyboard

[mystic bison]

MKB is good

[silent crow]

mkb is good but i hate it so so so bad

[mystic bison]

Yep, 4th god was a liability a lot of the time

[tall notch]

My first 32 heat was on m+k (so it's not like I never gave it a real go) and I'll still take controller movement over m+k aim

[mystic bison]

The 2 players who beat Hades 64 heat are MKB players

[steel sequoia]

i usually go 3 gods, but i have to stop mixing zeus and hera, I ALWAYS GET SCREWED before chronos

[tall notch]

I was trying to play m+k torches too and although I loved the aim I hated the movement

[silent crow]

controller js just more natural to me it is what it is

[zenith bolt]

i kbm everything in every game

[steel sequoia]

i feel like the dodging in controller is way better than in KB

[mystic bison]

Tf is a controller?

[astral edge]

wasd movement just feels ass to me, i need a joystick lol

[zenith bolt]

the real solution is joystick + mouse

[tall notch]

The Mynt way

[cinder path]

controller definitely has the advantage when it comes to movement

[steel sequoia]

i mean im bad and i finished my testments in keyboard so its fine i guess

skulls were painfully for me

[tall notch]

Joystick is just so smooth

[zenith bolt]

mouse has better aiming so they're roughly equal

[steel sequoia]

nah, movement is much more important

[astral edge]

joystick and mouse does actually sound appealing in some cursed way

[mystic bison]

Movement useless unless you can't hit anything

I move on wasd just fine

[steel sequoia]

u can hit if you move correctly

[cinder path]

i think movement is more immediately important but as you get better how much it matters starts to lessen

[zenith bolt]

dont need microadjustments for instakills if you just iframe clearly

[tall notch]

I guess there is some degree of preference on the control scheme

[steel sequoia]

trying to get used to 40% speed now so i feel like movement is more important than missing casts, i was also playing with a drifted controller not long ago

[cinder path]

also like....things like shield charge/skull special are significantly bettter on keyboard mouse

[tall notch]

Are all the medea speedrunners m+k?

[steel sequoia]

yeah agree, but skulls are weird anyways

[cinder path]

no. cgull isn't

[zenith bolt]

keyboard and joystick for the least optimal control scheme

cant move and cant aim, the true test of skill

[tall notch]

The only thing I'll speedrun with Medea is taking every hit and dying

[mystic bison]

I feel like 40% speed didn't take me much to get used to, it wasn't a sharp change or anything

I don't know why that is, I heard some people have a rough time

[astral edge]

what about a footpad for movement

[zenith bolt]

Can You Beat Hades 2 On Bananas?

[tall notch]

Bring out the dance floor for movement and a steering wheel for aim

[zenith bolt]

i can see the youtube video title already

[zenith bolt]

voice commands for all controls

[steel sequoia]

cyclops and chronos were kinda annoying for me at 40% , but i hate the fact that i lose too much life for that tomatoes monsters

[tall notch]

And for hexes you have to shout the actual incantations for immersion

TOTAL ECLIPSE

[astral edge]

oops no swearing
but yeah the hole heart dudes suck

[cinder path]

i mean chronos doesn't have the waits in his attacks that they had to implement for dad so chronos overlaps his own attacks sometimes

[mystic bison]

Yeah I had a bit of trouble with 40% Polyphemus (and surface in general) but not much else

[zenith bolt]

the main source of overlap for chronos is the arena attacks which are just clock hands and enclosing rings

well and the summons but you can mostly ignore them or kill them with ease

[tall notch]

Is the oneshot a Chronos attack or arena attack

[cinder path]

his triple combo too

[tall notch]

Because I've had that overlap with all sorts of nasty things

[zenith bolt]

its kinda both bc chronos does have an animation for it but it does use the arena too

[mystic bison]

Btw I learned that axe special can block clock arrows

[zenith bolt]

beyond summons idk what the overlap would be beyond maybe attack trails?

axe special can block most things

[cinder path]

yea you can block things like damage circles on the ground too

[tall notch]

I've had that dude straight up suck me in during the big oneshot thing

[mystic bison]

Yeah I knew about the orbs, but the clock arrows isn't really intuitive

[zenith bolt]

ok well his vacuum being jank is not intended obviously

[mystic bison]

You can't block the Kronos slash after effect tho, those are unblockable

[cinder path]

whenever an attack has an origin you can generally block it by "blocking" in the direction of the attack and the point of origin of the attack

i agree its not intuitive

[steel sequoia]

the worst that can happen is the wipe effect bugs and stucks in the screen and you have to play the entire 2nd phase with that

[broken pier]

Ready to start my next nightmare weapon leveling,

Eos, Momus, or Artemis?

[steel sequoia]

eos and momus are mandatory, also any axes, the rest is up to you

[tall notch]

Level up the one in my server nickname

[steel sequoia]

the easiest to farm stuff is momus ngl

[tall notch]

Tbh there's no way Momus stays the way it is, I wouldn't prioritise leveling it up

This isn't a competitive game so there won't be refunds if the weapon gets nerfed I'd reckon

[broken pier]

I did the momus trial and it seemed okay, but the heals esp with born gain putting you back to half health after each run seemed kinda OP

[limber dock]

momus is broken

[steel sequoia]

i dont think they will nerf it soon enough

i think the problem is double moonshot tbh, but momus is op

[broken pier]

Is that the moon thing? I hate those boons and avoid them at all costs lol

[tall notch]

It's a hammer

[broken pier]

I must not have got that one yet

[limber dock]

https://streamable.com/9llk5k

just did this run

momus doubleshot is kinda game breaking

[broken pier]

Yeah that seems pretty strong, that’s the tracking hammer with the double hammer?

[steel sequoia]

moon thing is selene boons, yeah most people dont like it

[tall notch]

That's an interesting title 😳

[steel sequoia]

momus = haha, yes

[tall notch]

That hammer gives both the double and the track all in one

[limber dock]

theres a base level of tracking to begin with even without it

[steel sequoia]

they should mix it with the other hammer i forgot the name

[broken pier]

That’s wild, I think I did get that one then but it didn’t seem op cause the special damage was booty for me anyway. But it scales with levels.

I like the eos one too though

Can you make it so they never get back to you / outrace them so it’s just a train you run on people?

[steel sequoia]

loooking this is so weird there are so many attack focused hammers for this https://game8.co/games/Hades-2/archives/453728 but id mix 2moonshot with Rapid Moonfire

[tall notch]

Mayyyyybe with movement speed, but I think they eventually catch up? But you don't actually need to sprint, just dash and the ghosts will make it back while you keep blasting

[steel sequoia]

Cross Cataclysm looks so bad always

[mystic bison]

Momus brokenness is more because of double moonshot than anything imo

[steel sequoia]

yup, Double Wallop dont make staff broken

[broken pier]

I don’t really dash at all, I have terrible reflexes (and limited thumb mobility) so any build that requires a lot of jumping around is not my jam.

[tall notch]

Rebind dash away from your thumb

[steel sequoia]

well u pretty much gonna play momus and charon my friend

if ur not dashing much these 2 are the mvps

[broken pier]

why I like the axe, lol : hold attack, spin repeat, half the time I don’t even bother dodging cause of slow

[mystic bison]

I'd say dashing into the spin is pretty important axe tech

But generally this game wants you to dash a lot, it's designed that way

[broken pier]

It’s good for adding distance but usually I get the hammer where you can do stuff while the axe is going and jam more attacks in lol

[tired fulcrum]

Charon tech tho

[broken pier]

You can charge spin while spin is going. That’s my favorite way to play

ABS = always be spinning

Works in Zelda, works in Hades lol

Works in Diablo lol

[south forum]

Anybody got any times for the Eris boss fight variant where she summons the barrel boys and does the fanning shot? I find the other variants much easier but the fan shot has a very similar animation to her normal single shot barrage and it's much harder to deal with if you're mid/far range against her.

[timber pawn]

@tired fulcrum I jusst made you proud I intentionally dodged two chronos instakills

and won my 32 mel aspect blades run with antler because of it

zeus's lightning bolts when no mp is actually almost as good as engagement ring

and I believe it can crit, which is crazy with antler

[blissful wren]

its what, 75 dmg every 5 seconds? Its not great

might be nice if ur lacking aoe ig

[bleak night]

Oh my god please be the run @tired fulcrum @zenith bolt @tall notch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244098293445820486/image.png?ex=6653e053&is=66528ed3&hm=e9691e3f4203bc94eed9a43d7202c5dbca9900480c4da9477314a4d6f0f3cb37&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244098307635286096/image.png?ex=6653e056&is=66528ed6&hm=5dddd6d59a489d679c73997dd364302ff43e45513075cbd72aaf5ddccbfb3359&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244098334684217384/image.png?ex=6653e05d&is=66528edd&hm=c769d5d737ef39386d0a528879da1f08614a95b5a52e92b826002120f5a956fc&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244098365059371100/image.png?ex=6653e064&is=66528ee4&hm=823c0c62d591142ecab29f1d0be0643cef61651eb51f81ec82a5d6b91a4b7373&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244098399981015190/image.png?ex=6653e06c&is=66528eec&hm=8103cc39cf3c77e8e165af95f7cf90cd62a4eec41dca26b53c5e55c29c04ce7e&

[zenith bolt]

holy phuck

[civic ocean]

Okay before I get all boasty and backpatty, does anyone know of anyone else who is tracking rotating 32 winstreaks

[civic ocean]

how many more do u have

[karmic gust]

i think that momus would be fine if tracking and double shot were different hammers

[last lodge]

(Sorry I swore) Damn wait its possible

Was the run a dub or was it so over

[civic ocean]

I'd imagine it is still going

[timber pawn]

mel axe, circe, artemis

[last lodge]

I haven't been able to nail a highroll on high fear runs yet but even then I'm still clumsy

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message we are gaming btw

[timber pawn]

saving artemis for last so I dont hate myself, about to lose a mel axe run on time probably lol

[last lodge]

I've been trying to do 44 fear torches but it's been rough

[civic ocean]

I haven't seen more than 4 anywhere

[timber pawn]

good stuff man

[civic ocean]

KEKW

Air Fryer Skull is now 3 for 3 on the combo and 2 for 3 at winning

[last lodge]

Hey East what do you think would be the best god for skull if I wanted to go for 49 fear

[civic ocean]

I don't really know, I mean, I guess Zeus Cast Persephone

[last lodge]

Hmm. Interesting

You think poseidon attack kinda goofy?

I was mostly just thinking for the sake of being able to remove barrier. Does any other god do that besides Hestia

[civic ocean]

IDK I don't really play the skull in any way other than to go for Air Fryer after Zeus Cast

[last lodge]

Air fryer

God Fear 49 sounds so unbelievably painful

What weapon is that? axe? Marauder Slash right

[civic ocean]

#self-promotion message its not a meme trust

[last lodge]

Hestia skull with shotgun hammer my two least favorite things dear lord

[bleak night]

This is mostly why I run Hera over Aphro on high Fear @calm maple https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244104919762337853/49_fear_room_Hera.mp4?ex=6653e67f&is=665294ff&hm=7747ad3e20bbd78b7766e165a6cc5e1aecfce246bcb00d023972193722799ffe&

[timber pawn]

I was 42 seconds over the timer but I won the run because of antler lmao, praise artemis

[last lodge]

I believe in you man you got this

[bleak night]

I'll take a break before I fight Chronos

[last lodge]

I should try a hera demeter skull run

[timber pawn]

holy cow this is cooking

automod pls

[civic ocean]

Banner day for Hades 2 build discord tbh

[bleak night]

Oh my god my fingers hurt, my timer apparently says I'm close to an hour into this run

[timber pawn]

I believe it lol you must be exhausted

[brisk karma]

Did this situation happen for anyone else? Seems super OP if it is intended.

• Equipped the Judgment Arcana Card (after you vanquish a Guardian, activate 3 random inactive Arcana Cards).
• Have the Night Bloom Hex (Raise a killed enemy to fight for you)
• Fight Scylla's Band
• Kill and raise Roxy
• Judgement Arcana Card procs when raised Roxy dies!
• Kill and raise Jetty
• Judgement Arcana Card activates again when raised Jetty dies!
• End 2nd region with 17 arcana cards activated!
  This is a pretty good build but I think it might not be the intended game interaction for each siren to count as a Guardian....

[ionic lily]

Oh wow, that hammer must have been a godsend then, at least you dont have to button-mash as much right?

[timber pawn]

its replicable but probably considered a glitch that will be fixed

[civic ocean]

It seems pretty clearly unintended but you have until they fix it to go crazy

[timber pawn]

guys what the heck do I do with Circe

heph/hera/spiteful? lol

[civic ocean]

In theory heph hera spiteful should be pretty good? Heph on the special and then when Circe procs you get a ton of mana and can do 200% Omega Attacks

[timber pawn]

2 of my 32 clears have already been spiteful lol

its honestly so good for high fear

ya that was kinda my thinking, Ill give it a shot

[civic ocean]

I think spiteful huntress antler strength is pretty goated on most weps

[tawny stag]

what is spiteful

[zenith bolt]

spiteful strength, hera/hephaestus duo - your attack and special gain +200% damage if you don't have a boon for them

[tawny stag]

Is that worth it? Ideally you’d want a boon for those right

[civic ocean]

Well, the strongest % you can get from a common boon is 100% from Aphrodite, so double that is usually pretty good if you can go without it

[tawny stag]

🤯

Feels kinda lame that they don’t change color though ngl

[civic ocean]

It's more that the components to get it available are like Mint Condition or Trusty Shield and Born Gain, which are like 3 of the best boons in the entire game

[tawny stag]

Born Gain is the best in large part because the mana regen is instant. If you could keep regen mana even while channeling for other gains I feel they would be stronger

[ionic lily]

great if you have forsaking vow to most or less guarantee it, but you have to remember and be careful to not be forced to take a primary boon and brick it

[ionic moon]

I got spiteful + golden rule once, that was fun

[sour cape]

How do you survive without an attack boon?

[civic ocean]

usually with heph on the offhand

[past pewter]

Damn shackle got a glowup

[ionic moon]

a weapon that has good attacks AND specials helps, like I ran with Mel staff and could spam boosted omega specials until spiteful omega attack came online

[sour cape]

200% is a lot

[ionic lily]

by crying and begging the game to stop giving the third god instead of heph/hera

and copious rerolling

[tough pasture]

1. I don't understand what's happening.
2. My eyes can't keep up...

[past pewter]

Damn 49 fear

How hard is 50 fear compared to 50 heat

[civic ocean]

Do you actually want an explanation

[tough pasture]

Friends, I'm struggling...
By the time I get to cerberus, I feel underpowered...which means I get wrecked by chronos (assuming I get past cerberus). Something about my builds aren't working.

[zenith bolt]

50 fear is closer to h2 max than 50 heat is to h1 max

[tough pasture]

I do...for instance what is the moonstone axe icon at the bottom with the #9?

[past pewter]

So 50 fear is like the new 56-58ish?

[zenith bolt]

50 fear is everything except the no arcana fear so whatever that translates to

[past pewter]

Lol

[night gazelle]

Kind of like 58 depending on how you value the levels of RI

[past pewter]

Basically RI0 56 then

[night gazelle]

But also no superdad

No supergranddad

[zenith bolt]

super grandpa gonna be something silly probably

[civic ocean]

That's the Experimental Hammer Keepsake granting Mynt an extra Daedalus Hammer upgrade for 9 more encounters.

[past pewter]

Imagine the instakill phase 3 bs

[zenith bolt]

chronos signals 3 spots on the arena and you play simon says to not get instakilled

[tough pasture]

experimental hammer keepsake? from who?

[zenith bolt]

icarus

[civic ocean]

We're in theory8 Fear under Heat Attempts, missing 2 for Middle Management and 6 for Extreme Measures 1, 2, and 3.

[tough pasture]

oh. got it.

[sour cape]

Does Riposte crits last forever?

[tough pasture]

Btw, can anyone help me with beating chronos?

I'm up to around night #50 and I can't beat him since the new update...

[spare kite]

Next 9 strikes (attacks/specials)

[tough pasture]

How should i optimize moonstone axe?

[sour cape]

But no time limit for them?

[civic ocean]

Depends on how you play the game, really

[spare kite]

Nope

[strange kite]

uh do u want an easy way to beat kronos?

[tough pasture]

I like to "spin to win" but I would like to make the special viable...

[sour cape]

wow so save for Omega strikes?

[strange kite]

with axe?

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/cQ8vqg2.png

[civic ocean]

Well for starters you should probably keep playing the game with as many weapons as you can and just upgrade your Arcana cards further to give you a better chance

[strange kite]

cuz the easiest way is to go hera demeter heph and stack some rock boons and take demeter’s coarse grit

[past pewter]

How do axe spin builds scale lategame

[strange kite]

that will make kronos trivial

[sour cape]

Its difficult to use for Chronos

[tough pasture]

is this for moonstone axe?

[sour cape]

But good dmg

[strange kite]

yes

[civic ocean]

yep, it's a good build for the axe

[tough pasture]

yeah, I'm working on that now...

I'm up to 29 grasp. And I have most of the arcana cards activated with a few upgraded by moon dust...

[strange kite]

u take hera keepsake in erebus for the attack and born gain. then demeter in oceanus. heph whenever he shows up but heph is optional

29 grasp is more than enough

[past pewter]

I assumed aphro attack was the way to go oops

[civic ocean]

aph attack can also work

[tough pasture]

ok, yeah...i've been trying to use aphrodite attack on moonstone axe.

[civic ocean]

The primary reason you stack Hera Demeter and Heph is to get 6 earth and Coarse Grit so you only take 15 damage an attack which makes Chronos easier

[past pewter]

Ohhh

[tough pasture]

but then by the time I get to cerberus it feels like it's not enough.

i'm having trouble optimizing for damage/dps.

[past pewter]

Yeah lol on my only win with that build I took about 600 damage from chronos

[tough pasture]

the cerberus fight is a slog for me.

[civic ocean]

What are you doing to optimize for damage/dps

[tough pasture]

mostly cast (like scorch)
I don't bother with sprint damage because it uses up too much magick for me...

i try to use poms on aphro attack.

[strange kite]

do u have damage with curses and the deal more damage to enemies in cast?

[tough pasture]

i'll occasionally get chaos boon as a buff

[strange kite]

wait why are u using special?

[tough pasture]

my mistake. meant attack. mistyped.

[strange kite]

uh i think ur build is probably fine? scorch is pointless on aphro spin axe. demeter is much better for triggerin origination

[tough pasture]

i'm still trying to figure that out. i know origination is there...but some of the curses don't make sense to me.

For instance, zeus' blitz doesn't make any sense to me. I can't seem to tell when it does damage.

[strange kite]

ignore blitz. its bad

[tough pasture]

yeah, i prefer demeter for cast.

[strange kite]

dont take blitz when ur on aphro

[tough pasture]

but when i get to chronos...my damage output feels very weak...

[civic ocean]

Scorch doesn't really do very much damage. The best way you can optimize for damage on axe is to turn on the "Origination" and "Furies" cards, keep enemies in your casts and with 2 statuses, and this will deal a ton of damage.

[tough pasture]

heck, it feels weak against cerberus.

[blissful wren]

demeters alt cast single handedly triggers origin iirc, the cyclone that doesnt use up the cast slot

[tough pasture]

yeah, tried to do this recently...

[strange kite]

for aphro spin build i would just take aphor dem apollo

but i really do think the coarse grit hera dem build is the easiest way for u to win

[tough pasture]

got to chronos but then i was only able get his health down 75% in phase 1.

[tough pasture]

coarse grit, is that a duo boon?

[strange kite]

no

[civic ocean]

It's an infusion

[blissful wren]

can anyone confirm this, im not sure if i was mistaken when playing but it has 2 slowing effects so idk

[tough pasture]

I was actually in that chronos fight for like 12 minutes...i was avoiding a lot of damage...but i couldn't damage him enough. it was weird.

[civic ocean]

Cyclones apply their own status yes

[bleak night]

If I lose I'm trash at the weapon and I'll train again. To Chronos I go. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244115560414056509/image.png?ex=6653f068&is=66529ee8&hm=eae4f00e15680028b08a20ec0aee5091ca3f21837628dcdb7be0a2468b4e5804&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244115591090933871/image.png?ex=6653f06f&is=66529eef&hm=f813764252cb5116847dea429270b843acead7e0a1a74b4cf1daf9b3fe8b52b6&

[blissful wren]

does it apply 2 i mean, cuz i swear ive seen origination trigger when they had no other curse except cyclone

[strange kite]

holy hell

[blissful wren]

but i could be wrong

[civic ocean]

Freeze + Cyclone will apply origination, yes, because they are two statuses

[timber pawn]

Can confirm Spiteful worked lol, I'm on a 3 streak with rotating weapons

[civic ocean]

nice WABSing

[bleak night]

Only way to win tbh

[civic ocean]

beast ur one shy of current WR (maybe) (probably not)

[bleak night]

I Phial'd the Mint Condition, too

[blissful wren]

does the cyclone mention applying freeze? I thought only the main cast saysthay

[civic ocean]

Not via tooltip

[strange kite]

cyclone is 1 curse

it’s the slowdown curse

[civic ocean]

yes that was established

[tough pasture]

are those both demeter status/curses?

/as an aside, i feel that the status curses were a lot cleared in hades 1 than in hades 2.

[civic ocean]

Yes, Demeter can apply 2 statuses

[tough pasture]

got it.

also, i tried hera on skull...but I don't quite understand the "hitch" status curse. if i'm not mistaken, it's basically a lesser version of rama but I don't quite understand the mechanics of it in hades 2.

[ionic lily]

What people mean by demeter cast enabling origination by herself is if you get both the freeze cast boon and the cyclone cast boon

[civic ocean]

It works similarly to Rama.

[ionic lily]

cyclone by itself only applies slow, which is one curse

[civic ocean]

Everything with Hitch takes X% of damage something with Hitch takes.

[tough pasture]

yeah, i love rama aspect...but i'm not quite seeing the hitch effect work in-game. maybe i'm not paying attention to it correctly.

[analog osprey]

if the hitched target doesnt die from the hit, all other hitched enemies take a % of all damage the target suffers

ideally, you spread it to as many targets as you can

[strange kite]

i wait cinematic are u on thana axe or mel axe?

[civic ocean]

You are probably not noticing, yeah. Regardless, Hera gives the second-highest %damage boost after Aph with no distance requirement, and can give you origination.

[tough pasture]

so what would be a good way to pair it for origination? would it be demeter?

[strange kite]

cuz thana automatically gives u a lot of crit

[civic ocean]

Demeter or Aph

[strange kite]

go hera dem

[civic ocean]

Aph you can get Weak from Passion Dash or Glamour Gain

[strange kite]

it’s the easiest way

[civic ocean]

Demeter can give you Slow or Freeze

[strange kite]

and it makes room clearing super easy

[analog osprey]

whynotboth.img

[strange kite]

cuz u can channel axe while enemies cant move

and the cyclone slows projectiles too

and coarse grit makes kronos literally free

like u physically cannot lose to kronos on heat 0 with coarse grit im prettt sure

[bleak night]

Gamebar refusing to record, luckily I can just quit the fights before Chronos actually engages me

[tough pasture]

my only concern are the bosses...I can get to chronos more often than not...but it's disappointing to see how little of his life bar i take out per hit...

i'll apply the suggetions here and report back.

/i still haven't unlocked any of the aspects. that option hasn't become available to me...

[lost shell]

eos is my favorite weapon rn

just so good

[strange kite]

u can unlock aspects by going to surface with the pick

and the gett skull then beat hecate with skull and every other weapon once

oh but i guess u need darkness and nightmare for thana

[tough pasture]

oh...is THAT what I have to do.

Ok yeah...I've been to the surface with the pick. I haven't beaten hecate with each of the 5 weapons yet.

[strange kite]

so that probably doesnt matter cuz u need ur first clear for nightmares

[civic ocean]

You also need to unlock Chaos Trials

[tough pasture]

chaos trials? Wow. This game has so much more to do than in hades 1.

[civic ocean]

Yeah honestly just go play the game more you're gonna end up spoiling a ton of content listening to us here

[tough pasture]

i literally started a spreadsheet for myself because i'm so lost...

[strange kite]

east ur a torch truther. do u think torch or axe unupgraded is harder for the first clear?

[civic ocean]

idk I didn't do a clear until I got aspects, just focused on upgrading stuff and trying stuff

[strange kite]

lul. i didnt unlock aspects until i killed kronos a few times

[tough pasture]

btw, when does the cat/leopard (?) companion become available? (saw it in a run i watched on youtube and was just curious on this one thing)

[strange kite]

idk. u need to get fishing rod and go to surface and the docks has the cat

[tough pasture]

oh

hmm...maybe i should do a few more surface runs. thanks

[acoustic remnant]

What do u build for a staff run

I don’t have any aspects unlocked

[wise nest]

You can do plenty, it's a good weapon

Absolute easiest is to put poseidon on special and spam big damage from range

There's lots of fun stuff depending on hammers but flat damage spam is definitely op

[acoustic remnant]

I ran posideon and found Selene instead what

[wise nest]

Some gods are "support" gods and don't follow the same rules as your main olympian pool

Hermes/Artemis/Selene are all support gods in this game

They give you different effects besides the direct "your cast does this status effect, your attack gets this percent attack boost" etc

Artemis mostly revolves around extra crit chance, Hermes gives you plenty of extra little buffs from more gold to more movespeed or faster attacks, selene gives you an "ultimate" of sorts that you can use after using a set amount of magick

[atomic bobcat]

Anybody found any solid guides to which boons interact well with the various weapons/aspects?

[bleak night]

Man

[floral steppe]

Why? I thought Blitz is exactly good when you can output burst damage quickly

[civic ocean]

U win or what

[bleak night]

He was at phase 2 33% hp, and one of the Tempuses that got tagged by Spite died

and I dashed into, then he started channeling an instakill in the other side of the room

so I pretty much fought for 12 minutes and effectively dodged most things just to die to something stupid

that's how it works ig

[civic ocean]

RIP

[bleak night]

I have a savestate copied so I can fight as many times as I want to see how I could've played better

still, I consider it a loss. It sucks, but I gotta play better ig

[civic ocean]

Blitz is fine it's just not great for Origination because it doesn't stick and Zeus doesn't provide any defenses as a god which you want on axe because you are a very small woman weilding a very slow weapon

Still new high score right

[bleak night]

it's funny because the instakill wasn't even what did damage to me, it's the Tempus orbs

because I had coarse grit, it's just that the instakill did the finishing blow

[timber pawn]

the orbs in that phase are brutal, I'm sorry man

[bleak night]

I honestly couldn't help but laugh and all, but I'm tired.

[floral steppe]

What counts as defenses, effects like Poseidon splash or Demeter freeze?

[timber pawn]

ya I can imagine

[bleak night]

I have the savestate so I'll just run it back as many times to see how I can play it better

[floral steppe]

Honestly by now I’m good enough at dodging Chronos himself that it’s not usually his strikes that get me, it’s the chaotic adds of phase 2 especially with the hourglass enemy spam. I take the -50% adds spawn Hades boon a lot more often now.

[civic ocean]

Hephastus gives you armor and invulnerability

Poseidon can give you more max HP

Demeter can give you freeze, slow, more max HP, and Coarse Grit, which is the ultimate in defenses.

Most people recommend Hera+Demeter+Heph on the Axe

[timber pawn]

finished 32 all aspects with 4 back to back 32 clears on different weapons

[tough pasture]

question: is it possible to re-roll selene's boons? game has been avoiding giving me moon water for like 5 straight runs now...

[rare path]

I’ve noticed you can’t re-roll Selene or Daedalus

[tough pasture]

yeah, same.

btw, am I crazy or does hades 2 allow for 3+ daedalus hammers?

in hades 1, it was limited to 2 dadelus hammer boons.

[mint pewter]

it does seem like hammers show up more often and earlier

[tender flint]

ok question about duo boon interaction for the oath of night pact the one that choose a boon but remove the other 2 that you didnt choose. If it is a duo boon and one god offers it and you dont take it but the other god offers the same duo boon can it appear in the other gods pool even tho it you didnt take it from the other god

[rain hazel]

It takes like 3-4 seconds to activate the slow time hex...which the timer continues for apparently 🙃

[bleak night]

Managed to beat him on the 3rd try

feels kinda unfair to call it a clear lol

[rare path]

Great question…I’m going guess it won’t show

[tender flint]

idk i had some unluck happen where i got 2 duo boons offered by the same god and Idk

[bleak night]

@idle glacier @timber pawn It's something ig https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244128726375989258/image.png?ex=6653fcab&is=6652ab2b&hm=47832959e4ce8c99bb2fdb03090b16d9c91dc583cbdd6b1efdbe47c8b3abb751&

[timber pawn]

🙏 it counts in my heart

[bleak night]

Not really a victory, since I had the save for runbacks

It was pretty terrible, ngl. This weapon needs more options

[timber pawn]

do you have video I assume?

[tender flint]

what is the run here what did you try to do

[bleak night]

Nope, but I do have the save if you wanna attempt it yourself lol

I'll come back to it eventually

[timber pawn]

I just finished 32 all aspects I think Im good for now lol. I'm thinking about doing a write up of all boons used etc

[bleak night]

49 Fear no timer

[civic ocean]

Up to 5 currently

[bleak night]

I barely see anvil now

[tough pasture]

Oh wow.

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1244129756476346499/image.png?ex=6653fda0&is=6652ac20&hm=e722c8b3cf2ed1ef84ccdf1c32a74756547b7a0babffbbea9b4e0d2c12418d17&

[tough pasture]

For a while, I kept avoiding hammers thinking we would only get 2...

I realized I was wrong when a 3rd hammer showed up after I had already gotten 2 dadealus hammer boons.

[civic ocean]

Damn Eastonium getting a front row seat

Massively impressive even if it needed a 2nd Chronos attempt

Big day for the Builds channel, @timber pawn got all weps 32, I just did 4 b2b winstreak at 32, Pink Aura and Air Fryer won...

[timber pawn]

we're tied on winstreak btw, the last 4 were back to back

[civic ocean]

Oh damn look out

[timber pawn]

I think spiteful is viable on like, everything tbh

[bleak night]

3 attempts

[timber pawn]

my last run with artemis I didnt get trusty shield util a tart mini boss, but somehow kept all my dds till then

[civic ocean]

I believe the ultimate WABS is Antler Spiteful Coarse Grit

[bleak night]

Oh, you did all aspects 32 ?

[timber pawn]

honestly ya

[bleak night]

That's kinda mad

[civic ocean]

WORLD FIRST

[timber pawn]

not gonna claim that lmao, no chance

[civic ocean]

It's a shame we don't like know

[timber pawn]

ya

[civic ocean]

Like honestly it probably is?

[timber pawn]

I suppose it could be? like its not...entirely out of the question

[civic ocean]

I also think that 4 might actually be the rotating winstreak record at 32 atm

[timber pawn]

you think I post this on the subreddit tonight and then do a write up later, to claim the date lol

[civic ocean]

Say that I'm tied with u give me that sweet sweet publicity

[brisk karma]

The "Power" description on Boons says that there are bonuses that multiply power but I haven't encountered anything that MULTIPLIES the power, only flat DMG buffs based on power.
Anyone care to enlighten me on where these multipliers are? lol

[civic ocean]

Power is multiplies by % damage increase

Everything has a base power and all increases to power increase that base

[brisk karma]

So if I get a +10 power to my attack, then that increases my attack dmg by 10%?

[tender flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1244132664420864043/20240525203817_1.jpg?ex=66540056&is=6652aed6&hm=c10201aef89d0972088184452f9e9a7925cd4fec86c53012293ef563f246da3f& fun af aspect of medea build relies on 3 gods zues, pos, and hestia I prefer the way i have my attack, spesh, and cast but you can do them interchangebly, Then the kicker get the zues pos double boon and then hestia pos boon I could only get the hestia pos duo boon but damn this build shreds

[sour cape]

lol what you can Parry Doomed from Chaos

[tender flint]

yeah

[civic ocean]

If you get +10 power to your attack, and your attack previously had 50 base damage, it will now have 60 base damage.

So if you have 100% increased damage from boons, you will deal 120 damage now instead of 100.

[tender flint]

any good aspect of pan builds i struggle with it early a lot and arcana set up

[floral steppe]

Why do people specifically go for 32 fear btw, is that the max?

[tender flint]

no its just the amount of fear needed to unlock statues and a high difficulty i believe

[brittle prairie]

Really any boons except like, blitz on your special can do well with Pan

[winter wind]

Yes it can still appear in the other god's pool if it was banished in the first one's. Just was in this situation yesterday and managed to get the duo

[civic ocean]

It is the highest level of achievement that the game acknowledges and keeps track of basically

Like you can go higher but you don't get anything in game for it

[floral steppe]

I see, okay

[civic ocean]

You get statues for it too

[tender flint]

i assume pos is good

[brittle prairie]

very

[floral steppe]

Which fear options do people usually go for when setting up a 32 fear run? There are some that feels real rough to take, like the one that swaps out first boons for onions or the one that removes all arcana

[tender flint]

what about arcana anything specific

[tender flint]

the onion one is tough but it is fine to me personally

[brittle prairie]

Damage Boosts like Origination and Huntress, beyond that your typical idea of a good setup works

[civic ocean]

Fury II
Scars II
Dest II
Desp II
Arro II
Wander II
Fors

These are all "free" imo

[winter wind]

Poseidon special with the legendary is really good. If you get Hook Knives hammer, easy run. If you get Hook Knives and Spiral Knives, it gets insanely broken.

[tender flint]

k

[summer seal]

Man, even with Momus Poseidon cheese, 32 fear on surface run is proving to be a challenge.

Had one where I thought I was gonna be fine but got tripped up on Charybdis

[winter wind]

I've been struggling with it too, Charybdis is surprisingly hard at 40% speed and The Rift is a nightmare

[summer seal]

Getting caught with hypoerspeed barrels thrown from offscreen is also . . . fun . . .

Especially since I prefer to go with Antler setups

[ionic lily]

finally got the chance to try air fryer and it was pretty fun

[winter wind]

The barrels are so fast im trying out 20% speed with more damage vows and it sucks almost as much as 40% speed

[ionic lily]

maybe time for skull air fryer with the pulsing skulls hammer

[ionic moon]

eris at 40% speed is so annoying

also that very last phase when she's at like 2% health and just jumps around every 2 seconds... very fun for omega casts

[spring cloud]

Eos fans what do you like on it

[winter wind]

It's so hard I just hide behind the pillars but she goes around them so fast

[summer seal]

Hera attack and born gain. Aphrodite dash

Then probably demeter cast and coarse grit for good measure

[winter wind]

I'm not a huge fan but I had a run once with the Zeus-Aphro duo with Zeus attack and it was fun to sprint into enemies and watch them die. But it's really risky and I died and failed 24 fear

[topaz peak]

what arcana and fear thingies did you use for pan

[timber pawn]

I'd have to check specifics

gimmie a min I'll hop on and do so. Pan was actually my first 32

so I hadn't really refined my approach yet, and wasn't as good at the Chronos fight

[bleak night]

I should take a break and sleep

[topaz peak]

it's hard cause with pan you require a ton of mana and i haven't been having the mana regen arcana on lately to use for other stuff but then pan requires mana and with the fear thingy that gives you zero mana you then need to decide to go for pos or hera and hope you get the other in due haste.

[timber pawn]

I definitely didnt use the 0 mana fear. I believe I went for a build with poseidon on the special, and then Hera's magic regen

[tawny stag]

can you change to the narcissist keepsake right after hecate and then drink the fountain and make your boon heroic

[bleak night]

nope, gotta bring that with you all throughout Oceanus before you can drink to upgrade

can't do Keepsake -> Fountain, since it's locked until you drink iirc

[jovial cove]

yes

[tawny stag]

ok gotcha was wondering if it’s worth making a boon rare

[jovial cove]

take keepsake, then drink

keepsakes aren't locked until you drink just the well

[sweet terrace]

Are you able to get multiple witch's delight or is it a one time thing?

[tawny stag]

ok will test it out now

[timber pawn]

you can snag the keepsake first and then drink, ya

[bleak night]

oh, til

[civic ocean]

Yeah the well you need to drink

[delicate terrace]

you can craft more later on

[bleak night]

You can make more via the recipe. It makes 2/incantation

[civic ocean]

what the heck is a witch's delight

[sweet terrace]

Cool, thank you. I musten't be upto that point yet

[civic ocean]

Oh the animal crackers

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1244145896481099987/Daring_Today_Aren27t_We_Banner.png?ex=66540ca8&is=6652bb28&hm=4e7191081caa5a2005aaf668769617222c6499adec9d2c9241e893bebf9bbf10&

[delicate terrace]

sounds like the best one for pan runs honestly

[timber pawn]

born gain definitely the most used boon for my runs lol

[delicate terrace]

im pretty sure my 32 pan run was also inclusive of zeus static and also artemis support fire

[jovial cove]

I do find it funny that the best way to use the staff is to completely tank your mana

[timber pawn]

there was like 1-2 poseidon regens, I think. but otherwise anything using mp it got shoved in there

[civic ocean]

So rn the hit list is

Wave Flourish
Aspect of Momus
Born Gain
Trusty Shield (or maybe just the mechanic that armor overkill doesn't spill over into HP)
Coarse Grit

what else? Pan?

[bleak night]

Born Gain is a little too good, yeah https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244146495901532170/image.png?ex=66540d37&is=6652bbb7&hm=2fcd1dbfb2c51387be58e1ce51aa2d9875887373cd5ad67eb4d7a608a6c015c4&

[civic ocean]

Antler probs?

[timber pawn]

skill ceiling high enough imo this may not see change

Pan might be okay? if Pos gets touched

[delicate terrace]

for sure born gain + wave flourish.
Maybe momus isnt as bad if they nerf the double moonshot?

maybe deal 70% damage x 2

[civic ocean]

idk I have taken antler 20 times and won 14 of them which is crazy considering I have only recently started winning

Like I have run pink aura over 70 times

[zenith bolt]

trusty shield is not nearly as big of a deal as everything else on this list

[civic ocean]

Air Quality is now at exactly 11 clears in 22 runs

I wish I could filter it by 32 Fear

[zenith bolt]

let my boy heph have literally anything 😭

[civic ocean]

I think Trusty Shield basically trivializing Vow of Suffering is probably a little too good

[jovial cove]

the only problem with trusty shield is that you have to take hepheastus

[civic ocean]

Yeah but then you realize that Heph is an insanely good god

[zenith bolt]

removing armor gating kinda kills armor as a mechanic i feel. like it's just hp but fancy now

[jovial cove]

he's ok

[civic ocean]

Yes I am not sure like perhaps Heph just ends up being S tier at 32+ forever

[zenith bolt]

the evil solution is to just make vow of suffering only apply to life damage specifically

and ignore armor

[civic ocean]

That's fine honestly

But idk if that's how SGG wants to approach difficulty in the game vs like normal ppl

[timber pawn]

I mean like a third of my runs were spiteful strength I think. At least 4, which does say something.

If we had a pool of purging my Artemis run would have been spiteful too lol

[zenith bolt]

ultimately i think vows having answers like this is fine

[warped harness]

you have to reach it to begin with

[zenith bolt]

most vows dont and vow of suffering is notably potent so eh

[timber pawn]

Also sometimes you just don't get trusty. My Artemis run I didn't get it till tart mini boss

[zenith bolt]

it mirrors the soot sprint vs eris discussion somewhat

[civic ocean]

Fair IG IDK the trip earths build definitely needs some tuning

[topaz peak]

Yeah obvs hera. Hera is like essential. Did you do a time limit?

[zenith bolt]

earth nerf is probably just gonna be increasing the damage you take when under coarse grit imo

[warped harness]

it does but i feel like trip earth is broken just bc the defensive core is so necessary at 32 fear

[zenith bolt]

and then hera is more of her own problem than anything to do with earth as a whole

realistically i think it's more the other elements are lacking stuff as insanely potent as earth

[civic ocean]

I guess since we don't know like where SGG wants the power levels of stuff to be, where we end up going forwards. Everything can win at 32 atm and some stuff is way better than the other stuff, so which way does it go

[timber pawn]

On pan I may have done 7 mins, most of them though I did 5

[zenith bolt]

aq is very build dependent, wispy wiles is just a generic defense increase, self healing is bad, water has literally just water fitness, slow cooker is a generic damage boost

[delicate terrace]

i never thought coarse grit was super useful though. then again ive only ever had that D A M A G E mindset

[jovial cove]

I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of buffs to other gains

[warped harness]

i think more things should be buffed to become consistent

[jovial cove]

fixed gain not working with mint condition, apollo gain could be maybe a bit higher etc

[timber pawn]

I'm planning on updating this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/GQ7COLn14p

With a breakdown of stuff tomorrow. It's midnight here and I have to eat dinner still lol

[warped harness]

gains shouldnt lose their effects if youre charging

[zenith bolt]

coarse grit value goes up more and more at higher fears where you take more damage and are likely to get hit more often

[jovial cove]

would be very good for torches, who only really get good value out of born gain

[zenith bolt]

fluid gain works on eos too, and fixed gain probably

i dont think mel torches are as dependent on the unusual gains

[jovial cove]

if you run out of mana and then get hit you need to stop firing and start again for fixed gain to happen

to use that mana rather

[zenith bolt]

thats just a torches problem more than anything

[jovial cove]

you don't say

[zenith bolt]

[warped harness]

i think 5/8 gains having fundamental issues with a weapon kinda stinks

2 of those lessen a stat heavily, one gimping your max magick stat

tranquil gain is like, one of the gains of all time and only works with an immense magick pool

[jovial cove]

that's why everyone does special spam. gains play nicer than with attack spam

I am a tranquil gain believer. Just gotta use your cast

[warped harness]

not really everyone? ive seen a lot of people perfer eos

[civic ocean]

what weapon are we talking about here

[timber pawn]

Torches afaik

[warped harness]

torches mainly the attack

[jovial cove]

fair. I believe many people use special spam on torches

[reef stratus]

I feel like half the torch hammers are scams

[ionic lily]

Zeus mana gain is really low for such a huge detriment

The rest I can see being situationally usable

[warped harness]

we dont have in-depth usage stats so i cant say, but the vibe ive gotten seems to lead towards ppl perferring eos

[reef stratus]

I think passive mana gain in general kinda blows because ur mana gets halted whenever you do any attack

[wind lake]

hestia cast is my favorite cast now dunno why

[bleak night]

Did someone say special spam on Torches

[jovial cove]

I got my vibe looking at the high fear leaderboards on that one website

[limpid flare]

doesnt the heroic version of one of aphrodites boon heal you if youre at 50% or abovew at the end of an encounter?

[warped harness]

that one website?

[reef stratus]

yuh

u can further upgrade it with poms too if ur into it

[wind lake]

i did a scorch focused build and got 210k scorch damage from hestia cast + blast upgrade

never even got a main attack with scorch i was very sad

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6653ff8e&is=6652ae0e&hm=d98b3c127ca3c3d2f4af85863f09576eadfa7d9d893761361a1a42d9a5599e0f& Join the Pink Aura legion

[warped harness]

pink aura is goated

i can never be a poseidon aura fan pink aura is the wave

[bleak night]

o you tried it ?

[civic ocean]

It's uhh

[jovial cove]

well it appears the website is down so nevermind

[limpid flare]

woundnt that mean that you could get back to full hp if you take the aspect of momus and then just sat and healed yourself?

[warped harness]

myst you made me record my chronos kill with pink aura 😭

[timber pawn]

Pink aura extremely viable (with born gain, or Apollo, or honestly Zeus could work, or poseidon)

[civic ocean]

Really hard to win with at 32? Ish? Like you need a lot of praccy

[reef stratus]

yuh

[limpid flare]

cool

[warped harness]

praccy? practice?

[civic ocean]

ya

[wind lake]

mynt did you ever finish luigi 32

[bleak night]

Luigi 32 sounds awful

[reef stratus]

tbf, with momus, u don't really need the healing LMFAO, everyone just running the same build for a billion damage

[bleak night]

I finished the Luigi Kill, sure, just not in 32

[civic ocean]

Momus doesn't heal past 50% hp

[reef stratus]

oh woops wrong reply mb

[wind lake]

i think ive used momus heal once or twice. Its so op you dont need the heals

[warped harness]

itd be cool if the vow that increases damage taken by the first hit worked alongside the luigi build

[bleak night]

it does

[reef stratus]

no he talking getting the aphro boon as well, that gives HP on threshold, can technically get infinite healing

[civic ocean]

iirc it does

[warped harness]

thats goated

[wind lake]

you can also just upgrade epic twice to get below 50

[warped harness]

gotta make charon die in 1 hit to his own swing

[wind lake]

or once? i forget

[civic ocean]

well not really because stuff has much much more hp than u

[limpid flare]

it was just a hypothesis because i remembered seeing it once

[reef stratus]

once iirc gets it to 43% at heroic or epic??? i forgor

[warped harness]

yeah fair, the damage back boons seem a lot weaker than in hades 1

[wind lake]

you havent seen eris vs revenge boons

[civic ocean]

tbh dodging the duos for zeus and hera and doing a mix of both revenges and coarse grit can prooooobably win at 32? But it would require a lot of luck

[wind lake]

poor girl just has a heart attack

[bleak night]

should I do an Eris Luigi kill ?

[wind lake]

itd be way easier, definitely.

[reef stratus]

that has to be in low heats no? how do u tank eris shots without exploding

[warped harness]

she does like what 11 a hit 10 times?

[bleak night]

that's fair, yeah. I can try it without Coarse Grit and see how much damage she'd eat

not rn tho, I'm kinda tired. Did you see the Luigi kill vid btw Murph ?

[wind lake]

id go zeus revenge though since its flat damage and eris shoots alot of projectiles, ive acidentally melted half hear health when i didnt even mean too by getting hit by her shotty attack

[warped harness]

does a hit that procs dd trigger revenge boon?

[wind lake]

i didnt actually

[civic ocean]

I feel like without coarse grit you die to the rockets while she's invul

[reef stratus]

I thougth revenge boons have amount of procs maximum per encounter

[zenith bolt]

mfw getting hit by eris once means getting hit by eris 4 times

[bleak night]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[bleak night]

Just a meme run, so idm dying to test since it's just surface, pretty short

[civic ocean]

I feel like honestly Poly is probably harder than eris to beat doing nothing right

[warped harness]

i dont think youre getting coarse grit on the surface activated anyways

[bleak night]

mostly because I won't have the boon build for revenge stack by then yet

[civic ocean]

He can also heal himself

[timber pawn]

If you get some earth elements from extra room doors you could make it happen

[bleak night]

unless I luck into Apollo-Hera and Hermes gives me dodge rate

atm the best revenge build in this game based on my testing is Hera-Apollo

[tawny stag]

can you get four gods through trinkets

[bleak night]

yeah

[civic ocean]

you can get six

[timber pawn]

But ya with Eris fire rate coarse grit also isn't going to do as much work as the chronos fight

[civic ocean]

actually I think it is technically possible to get seven gods?

[bleak night]

I only needed Grit for Chronos fight because he had an instakill

[bleak night]

You can get more from the boon-bags from Charon and Hermes, oddly enough.

[warped harness]

do all 7 continue to appear?

[jovial cove]

if you can't get grit then strength arcana is a good alternative, if you're not running it already

[civic ocean]

You can get 4 gods in Erebus then do 3 keepsakes the rest of the way

[tawny stag]

does glorious disaster override the omega cast damage

[civic ocean]

no

[zenith bolt]

highroll surface is like 7ish boons before poly

[civic ocean]

you can also get elements in the side rooms

[tawny stag]

I have a heroic apollo boon would the bolts replace the apollo damage

[civic ocean]

no

[zenith bolt]

also chaos at the first room though you lose room 2

epic creation for +3

coarse grit by like location 5?

assuming you get super extremely lucky

[wind lake]

polyphemus is the 8th encounter is the issue for chaos

[zenith bolt]

most chaos curses dont last that long

[civic ocean]

you can roll a chaos gate on floor 1

[zenith bolt]

chaos only appearance on surface is room 1

[sour cape]

Theres always pray for Chaos + Element

[zenith bolt]

so yeah should be ok for poly

[wind lake]

i was thinking embryo, chaos gate could work

[civic ocean]

It's possible to get a really, really high roll that gives you coarse grit by location - 3 or 4 I think?

[bleak night]

I can honestly see them changing Coarse Grit down the line to need less Earth, but the damage reduction isn't set to 15. Maybe 5 Earth for 20 damage max ?

[pastel bison]

Just did trial of blood, definitely my favorite though heavily biased because Artemis is my most played aspect

[zenith bolt]

hera start (nasty comeback) + chaos (epic creation) + like 4 demeter rooms in ephyra would give you a like location 5 for coarse grit

i dont know if ephyra side rooms count as their own location or not

[bleak night]

they do yeah

[zenith bolt]

then yeah location 5 minimum

[wind lake]

anything with enemies counts

[bleak night]

I had a Surface run with 36 locations once

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[civic ocean]

Dem start for an earth boon -> Chaos Gate for epic creation -> Dem room for coarse grit, spawning two side rooms that each give 1 Earth would = Coarse Grit active IIRC since I believe the side rooms tick Chaos curses

[bleak night]

37 if you count Eris

[zenith bolt]

or 4 with demeter chaos demeter demeter i guess

unless the ephyra main room counts as one location though seems odd that it would

[limpid flare]

if the requirment for a location is enemeys then it would count as a location

[sour cape]

What about Embryo Start for +3, Dem for Coarse Grit, then Chaos Gate for +3 👀👀

[civic ocean]

Embryo would expire by Polyphemus

[zenith bolt]

ephyra main room doesnt require you to fight anything

[sour cape]

roll +3 again 🙏

[zenith bolt]

i dont think embryo can roll the same thing twice in a row

[sour cape]

Oh 😔😔

[wind lake]

roll affluence to buy boons ez

then creation

[civic ocean]

how are u buying boons in ephyra huh

[zenith bolt]

manifesting charon midshop in ephyra through sheer force of will

[wind lake]

money buildup at any point is a nice thing

not required but helps later

[zenith bolt]

with location rerolls you probably dont need chaos to get coarse grit pre-poly

just highroll hera + dem i guess

[civic ocean]

What's the fastest you can get CG up in the underworld

It's location 4 right

[zenith bolt]

i think chaos can spawn room 1 underworld so probably yeah

ordinary curse avoids really long curse timers ig

[civic ocean]

Can you roll the same chaos curse+blessing combo in the same run

[zenith bolt]

yeah

well not curse i think, but yeah blessing

idk the exact encounter min/max for each curse though it goes up with rarity

[civic ocean]

So then floor 1 dem take earth, take chaos gate take Doomed Creation, floor 3 Dem for CG, floor 4 chaos gate take Doomed Creation, stand still for 3 minutes

[zenith bolt]

real

[bleak night]

I gotta ask

[zenith bolt]

dunno if chaos can spawn that frequently but ill just handwave and say ixion does the legwork

[bleak night]

When you hit with a Heph boon and it does the hammer sound with the slowdown, do people actually enjoy the slowdown portion ?

[zenith bolt]

no not really

[bleak night]

I try to shieldtap during it and it doesn't come out, so I get hit afterward

[zenith bolt]

it messes with my timing yeah

[bleak night]

it's kinda infuriating that it slows down like that, I hope it gets removed