h2-discussion

[cunning laurel]

thats his normal damage yea

[glacial light]

he still does 50 base at 60f

or am i tripping

[cunning laurel]

yea he does 100

[limpid oar]

I was about to say that's just antler brainrot speaking but I did pull off the skip in my 62 momus without it

[merry echo]

He does 100

1 hit you die

And he moves around a lot too

[plain relic]

So i just highrolled an epic bridal glow into vicious strike. Do I win

[plain relic]

Lol and steady growth made bridal glow heroic

[raw kraken]

Does anyone know if blessing of strife is guaranteed on the first run, I made it to Oceanus doing fresh file and Eris didn’t show up

[buoyant matrix]

if you have less than 50% hp going into the next zone she won't show up

[raw kraken]

Ohhh

[buoyant matrix]

fountains heal for 20% so you have to leave every boss with less than 30% hp

[raw kraken]

is it better to intentionally avoid the strife blessing and take damage

[buoyant matrix]

yes

speedrunners do it

[fresh wind]

Alright chat im doing thanatos UW speedruns and I have cherished heirloom active, went jpom + fig first 2 regions and dont wan a take Athena bc I have gigaros dash

What's the best/funniest thing to take

Assuming I go wantler in last region

Leaning lion fang, 70% dmg to start fields lol

[cunning laurel]

yea that or droplet

[merry echo]

Ares goes really well with zorophet

[still mantle]

What aspect should I use for my next run?

Nvm nobody's been active in this chat for 15 mins

[cunning laurel]

nah go hel

[still mantle]

Ok

[tranquil wren]

this is the problem with you youngins these days! 🧓
always expecting chat to be active every minute of the day

play anubis. it's the best aspect

[still mantle]

Tbf it is a large server

Every 5-10 minutes is reasonable

What time zone are yall in

[still mantle]

Fw run and I got poseidon attack off rip

[tranquil wren]

poseidon attack on hel is great

[still mantle]

Hecate gets instantly phased

[stuck minnow]

In troubled times, when the hordes beat at the gates...

[brittle epoch]

Wich gods are good for the shiva aspect of the black coat ?

[buoyant matrix]

apollo, hera, zeus

[still mantle]

What pizza said

[brittle epoch]

Thx

[still mantle]

And maybe aphrodite

[still mantle]

Also note that zeus is only good on the special

[buoyant matrix]

nuh uh

[still mantle]

Do not put him on your attack

[buoyant matrix]

zeus works on EVERYTHING

[still mantle]

No?

[still mantle]

No

[slim pike]

Zeus is always the right answer

[still mantle]

Hera:

[brittle epoch]

Thx yall

[buoyant matrix]

I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Zeus. I try to play Scorch. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Poseidon. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Blast. My Blitz deals more damage. I want to play Demeter. Her best team has Zeus. I want to play Ares, Hera. They both want Zeus.

He grabs me by the throat. I Pom for him. I reroll for him. I give him the Cloud Bangle. He isn't satisfied. I pick Extended Family. "I don't need this much Damage %" He tells me. "Give me more Poms." He grabs Echo and forces her to Pom Pom Pom. "You just need to pop Blitz more. I can deal more damage with King's Ransom."

I can't pick King's Ransom, I have no Hera core Boon. He grabs my Fate Dice. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his lightning. He says "It's over, young lady." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but high flat damage curse application. What a cruel world.

[slim pike]

Yeah, you want hera boons to ransom off

[still mantle]

*you want zeus boons to ransom off

[still mantle]

Naw zeus is just the best supporting cast in every build

Especially medea

[cunning laurel]

zeus is the main course wym

[mild arch]

Woo im only 8 achievements away from 100%ing the game!

[craggy totem]

I'm headcanoning that Arachne provided the silk for the puppet strings that Aphrodite's wielding

She's in this picture, dammit, I make it so

[tulip bronze]

Hi everyone! Why can't I share an screenshot? It doesn't allow me to

[merry whale]

arachne too salty to accept commission by the gods

we don't get image permissions in any channel besides #h2-victory-boasting

[tulip bronze]

Ok thanks

Btw, I'm new on this game, is it easy to learn how to play? I'm a bit lost😵‍💫

[craggy totem]

I don't think it's too difficult, and it has lots of things built in to help you go at your own speed

[buoyant matrix]

roguelike games, by nature, are learnt through trial and error
it's okay to die a lot, we all were there at some point 👍

[craggy totem]

If you want to share images, you can still do so by uploading to a website or another server, and then copy and pasting the image's URL here

[craggy totem]

You're right...... 😭 where my girl

[tulip bronze]

Good to know, thanks! 💪🏻

[tulip bronze]

Btw, can an error destroy your game or nah? I mean, can anything wrong you do be a real problem for that run?

[craggy totem]

I mean, making a mistake can get you killed, sure.

Nothing will permanently bust your savefile so that the campaign becomes un-playable or un-finishable.

Have you played roguelikes before?

[tulip bronze]

That's what I needed to know, thanks!

[tulip bronze]

Yeah some of them

[craggy totem]

Okay, glad that helped, just wanted to make sure I understood 👍

[tulip bronze]

Some diablos, darkest dungeon,...

[tulip bronze]

Btw, any doubt I have from now on, is this subchannel best one for that or better another one?

Maybe the "for new players" one(?)

[old veldt]

Yeah for the start

Then you can move to another channel depending on what you need

This for discussion, #h2-builds-and-combat for build help, etc

[tulip bronze]

Good! Thanks

[craggy totem]

Check the channel descriptions if you're ever in doubt -- one difference between this channel and the new players channel is the amount of visible spoilers allowed.

Basically, new players channel < discussion channel < builds and combat channel, in terms of spoilage :P

[tulip bronze]

Good to know!

[tulip bronze]

Btw, this game doesn't need to be installed as any other game need? I mean, it doesn't occupy space in my memory card, I don't know why, is it normal?

[craggy totem]

Are you sure you actually installed it? If you did, maybe check where it installed

[tulip bronze]

I'm playing on switch 2 and to be installed a game you just need to put the physical game on it for the first time

And it occupies 0 space for me lol non sense

[craggy totem]

Ahhh, okay, I don't know anything about consoles sorry

[tulip bronze]

Yeah I guess on pc is a bit different

[hollow lily]

Seek to know our emissary, do I need to romance moros??

[craggy totem]

No, none of the romances are mandatory. You just need to talk to him more.

Some stuff in the game is locked behind relationship progress but only in the platonic sense.

[radiant crescent]

Struggling to get god sent hexes with Apollo and ares. I’ve tried their trinkets first then going Selene to try and force it but I never seem to get god sent, just regular hexes. Am I just having bad luck or is there something else I can do?

[crude dragon]

Well, Ares Godsent is only on Selene Coat

As for Apollo, it's just RNG hell

[radiant crescent]

No wonder. I just been throwing myself at it

Thank you

[craggy totem]

All godsents are hex-specific

Every god can only godsend one specific hex

It's just that the hex that Ares godsends is the Selene coat hex, Sky Fall

[radiant crescent]

But sounds weapon/aspect specific as well?

[craggy totem]

The other hexes are not weapon/aspect specific

Sky Fall just happens to be Selene coat's special gimmick

[radiant crescent]

Appreciate y’all

[calm flicker]

My favorites are Lunar Ray (giant laser) & Wolf Howl (ground pound).

[still mantle]

Its been 1 hour and the chat still hasn't moved...

[calm flicker]

Well, that's not a way to fish out conversations in this channel.

So it's only Melinoe's Descura is it grossly suboptimal to build around & perform attack & special?

(The four Descuras, I specify.)

[still mantle]

Kinda worded weirdly

[still mantle]

What exactly do you mean?

[calm flicker]

Nevermind.

I do genuinely ask if, of the four Descuras, it's fiercely suboptimal to perform attack & special versus regular attack & special thanks to its increased regular special & special power.

Build around & perform attack & special, I specify.

[still mantle]

Oh. I don't think so, because you csn actually fire the omega special at similar intervals to the regular special and omega special has a couple hammers (mainly aetheric moonburst) to boost it specifically. Omega attack im pretty sure is suboptimal

Also if you building around it exceptional talent is always there

[still mantle]

(Don't use giga moonburst, it's dookie)

[still mantle]

Does that answer your question at least somewhat?

[calm flicker]

Yes.

[nova oar]

Yeah pretty much

You can build into either one just fine but it's faster, more consistent, and still a bonkers level of damage by just building normal special

[calm flicker]

What about specifically special?

[craggy totem]

Slow

[calm flicker]

Hm? While I too see it's ingloriously long channel time, it's at least a direct upgrade of a Daedalus unlike Dual Moonshot.

[nova oar]

Ospecial is the only one I'd build over normal special if I felt like it

[nova oar]

If you do an ospecial build you want to play anubis

[still mantle]

The decreased range on dual moonshot is fine

But giga moonburst forces you to sit still fir like 2 seconds straight

[craggy totem]

Anubis has the faster channel sped built in, which makes it less slo

[nova oar]

Dual moonshot is the best staff hammer for mel

[calm flicker]

Yes, I figure it's more efficient to actually perform attack & special for Anubis & Momus. No doubt about that. I ask for Melinoe & Circe.

[calm flicker]

Yes, I too saw how powerful it was from the first couple of hours I played Hades 2.

[nova oar]

Never worth it on circe, ospecial is ok on mel

[still mantle]

What she said

What do yall think are the best users of exceptional talent?

BESIDES MEL/ANUBIS STAFF

[calm flicker]

Thanatos...?

[crude dragon]

Charon Axe

[calm flicker]

Oh wait. Exceptional Talent only increases non-Nergal's attack's animation duration, yeah?

[nova oar]

Charon

[storm glen]

shiva

[nova oar]

Shiva and exceptional talent is alot worse than it sounds

[broken creek]

Omega shiva 🥀

[undone coral]

Shiva feels wonky to me

[nova oar]

It's a weird weapon forsure

[calm flicker]

Everybody likes bashing on Shiva's dash-attack.

[nova oar]

It deserves it

[still mantle]

Makes sense

[still mantle]

non

Why do people call rivals scylla hard?

I haven't died to her a single time

Rivals Eris harder

[wise wave]

It's definitely Morrigan. The extra omega help trigger triad faster.

[broken creek]

Do 62f and get back to me

[still mantle]

ECHO

[broken creek]

Like a lot of things shes only an issue when you compound a bunch of vows, grit makes the fight last so long, frenzy makes some patterns super unfair, pain will just kill you, then scars is gonna make fields rough

[still mantle]

I suppose the bullet hell is worse with more vows

[broken creek]

Then stuff like denial and forfeit means youre wayy weaker than normal

[open nimbus]

Even just frenzy 2... but yeah if you have only rivals on as vows its not so bad.

[still mantle]

I didn't even get king tide OR arterial spray and chronos still got deleted

[calm flicker]

Hey, how much weaker/more powerful would Ares' Strike/Flourish become if Wounds & Grievous Blow switched places?

That being the minicrits & immediate +50 power?

[rough lintel]

the ares slander need to stop :(

i think his boons are ok

[calm flicker]

I wish Ares' Rush damage an enemy more than once per dash.

[rough lintel]

yea

ares main boons are bum

[still mantle]

Sweeping ambush is insane on Artemis

[rough lintel]

but his sp boons are great (only gblow and cut above)

[calm flicker]

What's SP?

[rough lintel]

support

[nova oar]

He's my favourite olympian

To the point that I thinl aphro is worse

[wise wave]

Rallying Cry?

[rough lintel]

she is worse

martial art + rallying cry + tall order is insane combo

[craggy totem]

Aphrodite is fine y'all are just haters

[rough lintel]

aphrodite is fine, baddie even

[calm flicker]

I don't mind too much if Ares is one of the four starter Olympians this run, especially when it's that much more likely to equip Grevious Blow, increasing the effectiveness of Ares' Strike/Flourish from mediocre (at worst) to powerful.

[rough lintel]

ares wound is misundertood

heinous affront

[calm flicker]

I really can't say the same for Aphrodite's Strike/Flourish, but I very much enjoy her Ring & Gain. I wish her Rush increased Weak's duration.

[merry echo]

They didn't mean it like that

But true

[rough lintel]

aphro strike and flourish is the only good thing about her

her ring is garbage, gain is ok coz free origination

i do love wispy wiles tho

[craggy totem]

Your opinions are space alien opinions and I hope that you have a great view of the starry night sky

[rough lintel]

secret crush

[rough lintel]

yea

[calm flicker]

Shameless Attitude is pretty cool too.

[devout cairn]

big secret crush hater, love to hate on secret crush

[calm flicker]

But you don't like Aphrodite's Ring?

[nova oar]

Stop disagreeing with all my amazing takes

[craggy totem]

No

[nova oar]

Her worst two boons btw

[rough lintel]

yea but perfect image is better

[nova oar]

Her ring and gain are the saving grace

[rough lintel]

her gains is good

[craggy totem]

I bet this ducker plays with rerolls

[nova oar]

It sucks as a gain boon

[rough lintel]

i play with whim

[nova oar]

But not for origination

[calm flicker]

I like Aphrodite's Gain.

[rough lintel]

i play whim + strength

[craggy totem]

Space duck

[rough lintel]

hehe

[wise wave]

I cant believe someone dont like the god of love

[rough lintel]

she's god of baddie

[nova oar]

She's buns what can I say

[rough lintel]

god of love is hera (god of marriage)

[craggy totem]

Marriage ain't love and Hera is the one who knows that fact most intimately

[rough lintel]

Yea zeus is god of incest

[craggy totem]

Not in Hades 2 lore (but even Supergiant couldn't make him not a terrible husband)

There's only so much you can unterriblify Zeus :P

[broken glen]

Hera and Zeus need a divorce, they clearly have different expectations for their relationship

[craggy totem]

Divorce is pretty OP

[worldly elm]

Hi everyone do we have any updates of hades coming to console?

[jolly hound]

The fact that the story of either hades game isn’t a direct consequence of Zeus porking someone who isn’t hera is highly unusual for the Greek cinematic universe

[craggy totem]

No.

[still mantle]

laughs in switch

[worldly elm]

Im playstation player💀

Its okay by the time I finish All quests its gonna be on playstation anyways

[nova oar]

It'll be November at the earliest, but most likely 2027

[worldly elm]

2027!?

[nova oar]

Possibly

[worldly elm]

😭

[nova oar]

They got paid an assload of money by Nintendo for a 1 year exclusive

[torn wind]

Yeah Nintendo saw how well the first game did and bought it out like they did with Monster Hunter Rise or how they’re doing with that upcoming Bloodborne game

[nova oar]

Bloodborne 2?

[torn wind]

The Duskbloods

Couldn’t remember the title

[nova oar]

Ah

[torn wind]

They bought out a FromSoftware game

[nova oar]

Yeah bb2 is never happening

[torn wind]

I just knew it was similar and FromSoftware and was at least a spiritual successor

[nova oar]

I want a new doom game alr from fs

[calm flicker]

What's largely considered the worst DMG-oriented Rush boon?

Most weapons & aspects l can't or don't make use of Hestia's Rush, but it's damm good at removing barriers.

[nova oar]

Hestia or aphro

[stark lance]

Okay so after some extended torture

[calm flicker]

Well... Aphrodite's Rush applies a Curse.

[stark lance]

I have completed Extreme Measures 4 on both paths + 32 fear in 50 runs

I'd say that's decent pace

It's absolutely crazy how much of a brick wall you hit if you don't get perfect boons though

[pulsar rose]

hestia rush is busted

ive beaten || zagreus || literally only with hestia rush

just running in a circle around him

took 1 hit the entire fight

[stark lance]

I find burn builds to be crazy if you just randomly get Hestia like 6 times

[nova oar]

It's either a build issue or skill issue most of the time

[nova oar]

It's still really bad

[pulsar rose]

???

[torn wind]

Late game damage scaling makes it really low damage

[pulsar rose]

how???? i would still pick hera rush over it for general esp if im in fields of mourning, (since no || zag||) but hestia and hera rush are easily my top 2

[stark lance]

My bad for not getting a singular attack or special damage boon. Never doubt one's ability to get completely screwed over by RNG

[pulsar rose]

still can easily clear early rooms without even needing to attack

• scorch

[torn wind]

Same goes for Hera

[stark lance]

Honestly I find Hera and Hestia boons to be great utility

[stuck minnow]

Hmm

Thinking of a high attack speed build

[pulsar rose]

i only rlly use rush for getting a free curse

[stuck minnow]

For Mel axe, believe it or not

[torn wind]

Hestia rush doesn’t apply scorch

[pulsar rose]

oh it doesnt?

[torn wind]

Nope

[pulsar rose]

mb

[torn wind]

That’s why it’s bad

[stark lance]

I mean it's not out of the ordinary, it's almost what the ||Thanatos Aspect|| was made for, no?

[torn wind]

Same for Zeus rush

If it applied Scorch it would be way better

[stuck minnow]

Nimble Limbs, Rapid Slash hammer...

[nova oar]

Yep

[pulsar rose]

mel axe as in aspect of mel

[stark lance]

I mean that just seems worse no

[stuck minnow]

I just wanna give the HAMMER DOWN as fast as possible

[pulsar rose]

i would think so but i mean if he has an idea

[stark lance]

Than Aspect just gives you the extra attack speed

[pulsar rose]

mortality too 🤤

[stuck minnow]

Counterpoint: 1000

[pulsar rose]

ur looking at the #1 than axe glazer right here

[stark lance]

Imma be honest I never actually figured out the Mortality thing

[stuck minnow]

It

[stark lance]

Like I stare at the numbers but I don't ever see the crit proccing

[torn wind]

And a 60% damage buff from crit

[stuck minnow]

Mortality is just a crit chance I'm pretty sure

[nova oar]

Counterpoint: Mel axe attack is bad

[pulsar rose]

counterpoint: i have no counterpoint i fully agree with this take

[stark lance]

Not really, I cannot think of a singular weapon or aspect in the game that is objectively bad

[torn wind]

Crit from mortality is an effective 60% buff to all damage

[stuck minnow]

Counter-counterpoint: Big number make brain feel funny

[pulsar rose]

you get the mel axe 50 mhp by room 5

at least i do usually

[nova oar]

I agree, it's attack combo is just bad tho

[nova oar]

Counter counter point: There are easier ways to get that damage on mel axe

[stark lance]

It can get quite silly if you get an early Aphrodite health buff and a Hephaestus at the end

[stuck minnow]

Hell Splitter is my favorite hammer in the game because it makes big number bigger
And if you have a crit you see funny numbers like 3000!

[pulsar rose]

rookie numbers

[torn wind]

Counterpoint: play whatever you like but you’re gonna have to back it up by actually doing well with it since a lot of opinions in this game are based on whether it’s consistent at high fear or really good for speed running

[stark lance]

Wish there were custom sound effects for doing damage over a certain threshold

[stuck minnow]

Me when I beat Hecate in two hits

[nova oar]

It's so bad tho 😭

[nova oar]

Can confirm

[stark lance]

Imagine you hit a 2000 or a 3000 hit and you just hear a metal pipe falling followed by Enriqueeeeee

[calm flicker]

Cinder Trail is largely independent from the rest of Hestia's mechanics, no?

[stuck minnow]

No you just hear the TF2 crit sound

[pulsar rose]

EWWWWW

hell splitter is A W F U L

[stark lance]

Frying pan bass boosted

[pulsar rose]

eughghghghhghghghghgh get that thing away from me

[stuck minnow]

HAMMER DOWN!

[torn wind]

“Good” is based on how fast people have ACTUALLY gotten with it or how consistent it is at high fear. Aspects that require a lot of setup or specific builds fall way down the list

[nova oar]

This isn't ow

[nova oar]

Pretty much yeah

[torn wind]

Mel axe attack is really strong but SUPER slow

[stark lance]

I simply enjoy the game by not playing at maximum fear

[pulsar rose]

than axe 🤤

[nova oar]

I did all aspects 40f and some were waaaay easier than others

[pulsar rose]

ima be so fr i almost never use fear

[nova oar]

Max fear isn't fun I only went to 62f

[stark lance]

I did the 32 fear run on my third attempt with the Coat

[pulsar rose]

i just slap on rivals and call it a day

[nova oar]

No frenzy or timer?

[calm flicker]

Hell Splitter is most definitely not worth it on Melinoe's when it favors dash-attack, attack 1, & attack 2--NOT attack 3.

[torn wind]

Yeah and that’s perfectly fine. Casual play is absolutely the way most people should enjoy the game. But it’s a totally different argument when you talk about “good”

[pulsar rose]

nah

[stark lance]

I do Rivals, Hordes and the chance where you get later area enemies

[stuck minnow]

I also like using it with Than
After all, Hell Splitter gives +300 power, which is heavily bolstered by boons (especially Aphrodite)
So the 50 or so that Mel gives is less relevant by comparison
Making those 1000 damage swings come out faster is better at that point

[still mantle]

Ok yall said rivals prom was hard

[nova oar]

Mel axe is just dash attack -special

[pulsar rose]

i kinda just do runs to have fun doing them, not really to progress more

[nova oar]

He's not that bad

[torn wind]

I’d say middle of the pack on difficulty

[pulsar rose]

i just love the gameplay loop lmao

[calm flicker]

It's functional enough on Thanatos.

[stark lance]

Who cares about something being "good" or "better" in a singleplayer game outside of speedrunners and people with a level 3 chin

[torn wind]

Exactly. So play whatever you like. That was my point

[still mantle]

Heracles is just an extra annoyance

[shell lake]

Anyone have general tips for Prometheus? As of now he’s the only boss i find somewhat difficult

[stuck minnow]

Average Terraria discord conversation

[stark lance]

Stop face checking him. It is entirely fine to back away so you don't take every one of his hits

[pulsar rose]

say where you're going to go on his memory thingy out loud

[nova oar]

It doesn't really matter at the end of the day

[pulsar rose]

it sounds stupid but it helps lol

[torn wind]

The game should be fun before anything but inherently when you discuss in public chats and claim something as “good” you’re likely to hear differing opinions formed by a community. Even if something is fun it might not be great

[nova oar]

Yeah pretty much

[torn wind]

I love fun things all the time even if they suck

[stuck minnow]

"You shouldn't play Mage, Mage is bad!"
Stfu if I wanna shadow wizard money gang then I will

[pulsar rose]

cough luthien cough cough cough luthien cough

[torn wind]

I mean I play Dr Mario in Smash Bros

He’s ass but he’s super fun

[stuck minnow]

And if I wanna see big number, then I will

[calm flicker]

In a vacuum, yes. However, I don't expect dash to be so readily available as to limit oneself only to dash-attack during combat. At any rate, I do appreciate attack 1 & attack 2's wide sweeps.

[stark lance]

Counter argument: I have suffered severe brain damage from no-hitting bosses on bad run

[broken glen]

Ok guys for prom mini game is it top/middle/bottom left/middle/right or 1/2/3

[nova oar]

1/2/3

[broken glen]

You’re psychotic

[crude dragon]

I do top/middle/bottom

[nova oar]

You can only dash strike special just fine

[pulsar rose]

top middle bottom

[nova oar]

I did it for 40f easy

[pulsar rose]

obviously

[nova oar]

Number superiority

[pulsar rose]

you are a strange human being

[crude dragon]

Anyone who does left/middle/right needs to be dissected in a lab

[stark lance]

I feel like me doing Extreme Measures 4 + 32 fear in 50 runs is actually really fast

[stuck minnow]

I do find Mel Axe base attack to be fine actually
The third hit is slow as hell, so I don't use it much I will admit, but the first two are very solid and wide reaching
But if I have the Rapid Slash hammer one then I'll take that swing if I have an opening

Rapid Slash is always a godsend lmao

[broken glen]

I did left middle right until I watched people play who said top middle bottom

[stuck minnow]

Even with Thanatos, Rapid Slash is a goated hammer

[pulsar rose]

welcome to the light

[nova oar]

Idk maybe i'm too fear pilled

[stark lance]

Like talking to some Steam friends I am kind of realizing, most of my friends have 100-200 runs to complete Fear 32

[calm flicker]

B-b-b-what about my wide sweeps & mentally preparing for dodging just before a heavy attack?

[stark lance]

Did my couple hundred of hours in Hades 1 give me braindamage superpowers

[stuck minnow]

me when Siege Shredder
Is Siege Shredder still bugged or is the wiki outdated?

[still mantle]

Me who just learned the dash timing to iframe it:

[pulsar rose]

instead of fear there should be relaxation that just makes every vow the opposite (pain makes stuff deal less dmg instead of more, denial makes u pick an extra boon rather than lose the 2, debt makes u get more money, etc)

joke btw

[still mantle]

OH COME ON

[broken glen]

God mode with extra steps

[nova oar]

It gets to the point where you know what enemies are gonna use what attack

[pulsar rose]

gives you "dreams" which lower the level of your aspects

[still mantle]

ZEUS DENIED ME ARK FLASH FOUR CONSECUTIVE TIMES

[nova oar]

[still mantle]

NOW IM GOINH IMTO TYPHON WITHOUT IT

[stuck minnow]

Sudden Cleaver seems good if you're using Charon

Hell it seems good in general

[pulsar rose]

im gonna be so honest charon is so bad

[stark lance]

I genuinely think Typhon is an extremely easy fight after a couple of runs

[still mantle]

Actually if you count before I hot air quality he denied me 8 times

[pulsar rose]

charon is easily the worst axe excluding mel

[nova oar]

One of if not the strongest axe aspect btw

[stuck minnow]

That's the spiciest take I've ever seen jesus

[nova oar]

Competing with nergal

[pulsar rose]

genuinely EVERYONE glazes it so much

JUST USE OMEGA CAST rather than eating up 90% of ur magick

[nova oar]

It deserves the glaze lmfao

[stuck minnow]

Mf I haven't even beat Chronos yet, and if you're having magick management issues then you should pick another game my guy

[pulsar rose]

also this take is slightly related to my skill issue because my casts always expire RIGHT before the omega special hits them

[stark lance]

I am an enjoyer of the Aspect of Hit Enemy Until It Disappears

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/eKIb9GY

[pulsar rose]

i dont have magick management issues, its js the amount of times u need to omega special for it to be decent pmo

[nova oar]

How slow are you playing the aspect 😭

[still mantle]

Are you taking winners circle or some shi😭

[pulsar rose]

i can do the amount of damage done in 2 casts with nergal in a single oattack with psychic whirlwind

[pulsar rose]

no i just suck 🙏

[nova oar]

Nergal is just as strong I agree

[stuck minnow]

Like i don't have charon either
But having used axe a lot so far, I've never had an issue with using Omega Special and Cast at the same time
I do it CONSTANTLY, actually, especially with Aphrodite on my cast so i can nuke everything in the center

[torn wind]

If you know how to dash omega special it becomes so much better

[nova oar]

You can cast while channelinh

[stuck minnow]

Charon would probably compliment my playstyle very well, actualy

[still mantle]

Kinda person to attack with medea four times then special

[pulsar rose]

i also often forget to cast unless i center my build around casting which happens very rarely so charon just doesnt match my playstyle whatsoever

[pulsar rose]

i use nergal and than

[stuck minnow]

I cast all the time
Cast is goated

[pulsar rose]

and ONLY nergal and than

nvm not only i throw in some torches every now and then

MAINLY nergal and than

[still mantle]

@nova oar rivsls Eris still sucks. I took twice as much damage on her than typhon😭

[nova oar]

You should always be using cast, keep it at 100% uptime

[stuck minnow]

Slowing enemies down is big

[nova oar]

Gonna be real this is just a skill issue

[stuck minnow]

Also the Furies arcana

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message weakest Charon axe run

[pulsar rose]

i just forget to, i want to but my brain just forgets

[nova oar]

I'm curious as to what everyone's arcana setups are

[pulsar rose]

holup lemme grab mine

[stuck minnow]

Mine uses Strength
Enough said about that

[nova oar]

We'll see how it compares to the meta

[still mantle]

The fact that I had a significantly easier time on rivals scylla😭

[nova oar]

[stuck minnow]

Strength, Champions, and... whatever the Circe one is

Not Sorceress

[torn wind]

I hate to say it but rivals Eris is easier than normal Eris

At least with frenzy 2

[pulsar rose]

this is my arcana (yes i just uploaded it as a sticker to a different server to send it)

ignore some stuff is unleveled, its an older ss but i still use same setup

[nova oar]

This is suprisingly good outside no boatman

[torn wind]

That’s the exact same build I run

[pulsar rose]

FYM SURPRISINGLY

[stuck minnow]

I care very much about getting the boons I want
So I have a handful of arcana dedicated to improving my RNG
But it's not my entire build, I do have a lot of top row stuff

[pulsar rose]

why do you have beef with me 🙏

[still mantle]

It might be because of my extremely aggressive playstyle

[nova oar]

No beef you just don't metagame as hard as I do 😭

[pulsar rose]

literally you've had beef since i first starting talking here

its funny im not complaining but its hilarious

[still mantle]

Like on scylla I just rush her and everything explodes

[pulsar rose]

enjoy game > meta

[torn wind]

Meta slave ⛓️

[still mantle]

But Eris always screws me up

[torn wind]

Rivals Scylla is pain

[pulsar rose]

i hate that clam

[stuck minnow]

Hey, question
Should I be rolling for Exceptional Talent and Giga Cleaver?
4 axe specials...

[stuck minnow]

"I AM NOT A CHLAM!"

[pulsar rose]

when i started i lost about 7 runs to that wrinkly tentacly mollusk

[torn wind]

Watch the clip I linked earlier

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message

It’s broken on Charon Axe

[pulsar rose]

lies

[pulsar rose]

imagine having rerolls tbh

[sturdy magnet]

My personal favorite songs from Scylla and the Sirens are Rock and a Hard Place & I am Gonna Claw Out Your Eyes then Drown You to Death

[pulsar rose]

oh wait u havent beaten chronos yet nvm

[stuck minnow]

Bewitching Eyes is my favorite

[pulsar rose]

keep those rerolls and clutch them like they are the most valuable jewels in a vault

[still mantle]

Not for me

[torn wind]

Scylla was such a shock when I first started playing that they had a musical rock trio whose instruments fell out when they were knocked out

Was just such a fun concept to have in the game

[stuck minnow]

You look at me with bewitching eyes...

[pulsar rose]

crusty clam pmo

[torn wind]

Rivals Scylla probably like top 3 if not top 2 hardest bosses

[pulsar rose]

hated her since i first had the displeasure of laying my eyes upon her tentacled body

[sturdy magnet]

I am Gonna Claw Out Your Eyes then Drown You to Death

[pulsar rose]

congratulations

[torn wind]

Rivals Chronos still takes the cake for hardest boss imo

[pulsar rose]

you dont need "to death" it is still gramatically correct without it

to death is just redundant and is unnecessary

just "drown you" is fine

[torn wind]

Rivals Typhon is barely any harder than normal tbh

Aside from the skill check third phase

[sturdy magnet]

It's in the lyrics

[pulsar rose]

oh

i would rather rip my ears off than listen to that octopus clam's awful music

the scylla conversation has risen my forgotten hatred for her

OH AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON ROXY

THAT GUITAR WEILDING SIREN

[still mantle]

Music is peak

[pulsar rose]

oh it is but the creator

[torn wind]

Bro is seething

[pulsar rose]

i hate her

[torn wind]

You’re saying you wouldn’t?

Damn

[pulsar rose]

i beat her up every time now but that mollusk stopped me way too many times when i was starting out

and her fishy friends too

[torn wind]

Ngl normal Scylla is probably the easiest boss

But rivals is top 3 hardest

[pulsar rose]

hecate is easily easier than scylla

actually, honestly?

typhon

[torn wind]

Eh I forget normal Hecate exists

[pulsar rose]

or one eyed wonder

[torn wind]

Normal Hecate is still a skill check for dodging

[pulsar rose]

[torn wind]

I find her more annoying but I guess technically easier

Rivals Hecate is annoying incarnate

[pulsar rose]

rivals hecate is fun af wdym

[torn wind]

Teleports constantly, insanely hard to dodge morph, some attacks that are really hard to dodge, shielded minions

[pulsar rose]

shes fun tho

dark side kind annoying but shes a lot of fun

whats the cyclopses name i forgot

polyamorous

[torn wind]

Polyphemus

[pulsar rose]

thanks

i HATE rivals polyphemus

and that crusty hag medea

anyways that was a fire rant sesh on bosses i hate, i go sleep now

or play hades 2 idk which

[still mantle]

Holy crap I forgot how insane charon is

@pulsar rose tf you mean "❌ "

[pulsar rose]

i dislike charon

i think its so overglazed

[still mantle]

Ok

[pulsar rose]

nergal is sm better

[still mantle]

But it is quite powerful

Capable of doing high dps

[pulsar rose]

i meannnn

[still mantle]

With only a few boons

[pulsar rose]

it can do high damage but u need to center ur entire build around that

[still mantle]

How are you building it and using it?

[still mantle]

Isn't that every build?

[pulsar rose]

nergal? apollo attack + psychic whirlwind and ur good to go

apollo or aphrodite really

[calm flicker]

Nergal is my favorite of all weapons & aspects.

[pulsar rose]

i dont use it much but im gonna try it out a bit probably tonight, it just doesnt match my playstyle

i lways forget to cast lol

[pulsar rose]

yesssss, and than too

[still mantle]

Charon? Lucid gain+giga cleaver and lucid gain your good to go

[pulsar rose]

holup

ima get some nightmare rq to upgrade it, then ill try a run

[calm flicker]

However powerful Charon is, I don't find it very fun

[pulsar rose]

acc im too lazy for nightmare ima just try a run

[pulsar rose]

THANK YOU

[torn wind]

I also don’t find Medea very fun to play but I can’t argue it isn’t decidedly the best in the game

I don’t think it’s bad just because I’m not good at it

[craggy totem]

Medea's more fun than Charon for me even though I'm bad at both of them 😆

[calm flicker]

I find Medea fun.

I only wish Hel was actually good.

[torn wind]

“Fun” is a lot more subjective than “good”

[calm flicker]

I know. I wasn't going to debate whether or not Medea is fun from a largely objective standpoint. I enjoy it. Kol doesn't. I then talk about Hel.

Even if it's good at applying Hitch & Blitz, something is fundamentally wrong with Valkyrie if immediately engaging the enemy with attack reaps greater DPS than special -> attack.

[rough lintel]

Ransom boons

[torn wind]

I know I’m not meaning you just saying other people. I know you’re not debating “good”

[still mantle]

Poseidon splash stonks

[still mantle]

Not sure if I believe that

Also that one hammer makes it 110% worth it

[calm flicker]

I do enjoy building Hel with Valkyrie.

[crude dragon]

Lucid Gain and Geyser Spout, you mean

Giga Cleaver is gravy

[calm flicker]

So too non-Nergal's attack & Furious/Psychic Whirlwind, but none are exactly reliable to build around.

[proper seal]

how do I unlock || Acceptance of Another fate? ||

[craggy totem]

1. complete the epilogue
2. iirc you have to have earned the second statue

[proper seal]

damnnnn ok I already have the 2nd statue

welp grinding time

[craggy totem]

Just to make sure we're on the same page, you are aware that H2 epilogue is not the same deal as H1 epilogue, right?

Your comment about grinding made me wonder.

[proper seal]

oh.

[craggy totem]

You need to tie up a major plot-related loose thread by following the prompts which the game gives you. Hint: ||look at the name of the incantation you're trying to unlock||.

[proper seal]

|| something to do with the three fates ||

[tribal dove]

Got all 50 achievements for Hades II!

Believe it or not (at least, I’m fairly certain this is true), this is the first time I’ve 100% completed a game

And what a game to be my first

[craggy totem]

Congratulations!

[tribal dove]

Why, thank you

[calm flicker]

The silken dress achievement thing gave me the "this was not worth it
," ick when I finally completed it.

[craggy totem]

:(

[calm flicker]

I provably shouldn't have discredited your achievement.

However much of an inglorious pain that one achievement was, all the others are a momentous occasion!

[hasty ocean]

Silken Dress achievement isn't so hard if you build for it and aren't pushing Fear

Start with Heph's keepsake to get armor boons in the pool, then keep the Silken Sash on for the rest of the run and play good

[tribal dove]

And, preferably, use the torches

I’m sure the Skull could be decent as well

Just any weapon/aspect that allows for as much distance between you and the enemy as possible

Had to do it three times for the achievement; twice on Switch 2 before I realized the cross-save was bugged, then again on Steam to actually unlock it

[calm flicker]

Damn.

[buoyant matrix]

i remember when 1.0 dropped i removed all the fear i had except frenzy2 to do the story runs and got it without trying lol

[plain berry]

Yeah, the game doesn't start when launching from steam anymore

[tribal wharf]

I haven't had too much issue with that

[still mantle]

Man every time im watching this chat it doesn't move then I look away for 20 minutes and I cant even find my messages that people replied to

[calm flicker]

I wish Sacrificial Hymn provided 3 sacrifice boons.

I wish Hermes sold Sacrificial Hymns.

[still mantle]

Yeah

[still mantle]

No because all the charon items are unique to charon

[calm flicker]

It's the next best thing to Pools of Purging

[plain berry]

Lucky you

[still mantle]

Sometimes I have runs where multiple aspects of my build are so insane but I miss one of my main duo boons so im just thinking about how much more overpowered it could have been

[bitter stirrup]

Me when I don't get Thermal Dynamics

[still mantle]

For me its always arterial spray

I only get ares in like 3rd region then he just scams me like 3 consecutive times

[bitter stirrup]

Oh yeah I have never gotten Arterial Spray, it's like always the second duo I go for on Torch Magick builds after Ripple Effect and it never comes lol

It's probably not even that good but it sounds really cool

I wish it was 100% splash chance with reduced damage instead

[still mantle]

Like I don't need it but it absolutely helps

Especially with the amount of splashes your usually doing on pan/hel/nyx

[still mantle]

I dont think I've ever even gone for ripple effect

Just haven't tried it as a build

[bitter stirrup]

Funny thing about Ripple Effect is it's 35% chance to trigger vs 25% for Arterial Spray but maybe because Fine Line/Ocean Swell are so much more flashy than Poseidon Waves it feels more impactful

Though tbf Ares is just also an ok addition to Magick builds because of Cut Above

And also as I said I have yet to experience nice red bloody Poseidon Waves

[still mantle]

Regular Poseidon waves vs magick stuff spam is a completely different realm

Magick you just slap on mel torches and try to go for all 3 main ones

Poseidon spam works well on any non shiva coat, non morrigan knives (particularly pan) and hel skull

[bitter stirrup]

Those happen to be the weapons I have not touched (particularly coat and daggers lol my testaments for them are still on 1 fear), so I should probably go bloody water hunting with them

[craggy totem]

Cote!!!!!

[bitter stirrup]

I used Nyx once on 24f underworld and I was kinda just running around doing whatever

Had a nice Beach Ball + Seismic Servo + Rude Awakening build too though I think I thought Beach Ball would be better with the Omega boost

[raw rover]

Yo, everyone! So I wasn't around during Hades 1 post-launch, got into the game super late, and I don't know if we had any "big" update do the game after 1.0.
I know we didn't get new content, but did any change make a big splash? Like rebalancing or whatever?

Or should we expect this game to be pretty much what it is right now?
I mean, love the game, clocked around 400 hours but I think I saw everything lol

[buoyant matrix]

yeah it's done
we may get some small changes after the inevitable ps5/xbox launch but nothing that would make a big splash

[torn wind]

2.0 update “a big splash”: we literally just made Poseidon waves 1% larger than before that’s it.

[rough lintel]

Yes

[rough lintel]

Im taking back my slander for aphro

I wasnt up to her game

Shes good, all god in hades 2 is good

[limpid oar]

Should've said this yesterday, the timing could've been so good 😔

[deep harbor]

Man after I started over in 1.0 the one thing i forgot about was gathering resources to unlock and upgrade your arcana, weapons and cauldron

you need so much ash, psyche, bones, harvestable resources. Sometimes you need to beat specific boss encounters ||on specific routes.||

[stuck minnow]

How tf am I meant to get a godsent hex

[twin leaf]

i finally reached ||death to chronos|| and everything that happened beforehand sent me into a rollercoaster of whatever

[wide wigeon]

I hate eris

[wide wigeon]

haha yes

[stuck minnow]

Flash Fry is one of my favorite boons ever

The chain reactions it can cause are really funny

Also if it's strong enough it can oneshot Hellifish, making that miniboss much easier

You kill one of the small ones and the rest disappear in a chain reaction

[wide wigeon]

very useful in oceanus fr

[copper bison]

how do I unlock Cerberus Rivals

I don't seem to have the Incantation

[still mantle]

Did you beat both Eris and scylla rivals?

[copper bison]

yeah

oh Eris nvm

so I have to do surface double Rivals too

[still mantle]

Yes

Because the incantations unlock both surface and underworld rivals of the next tier

[copper bison]

damn

[limpid oar]

and in erebus, courtesy of the vow of menace

[short raft]

Ok, im getting a lot of 'Discovery' options in chaos trails, are those worth anything or just dead slots?

[stuck minnow]

"Oh, come on, that ain't fair!"

• Hephaestus, 100 BC

[merry whale]

completely dead chaos blessing if ur not looking for resources at all

[short raft]

darn

[craggy totem]

After unlocking godsent hexes, you just need to pair up the right hex with having the right god in your pool. For instance, Zeus is the godsent for Twilight Curse. The godsent upgrade will appear as an upgrade node in the hex's Path of Stars. (It doesn't matter whether you pick up the god first or the hex first.)

[calm flicker]

Most Hexes and their accompanying Olympian are intuitive enough to remember.

My favorites are Wolf Howl & Lunar Ray.

[sweet folio]

Was I supposed to beat Tartarus 7 times before beating olympus

[craggy totem]

No, you don't have to do it in that order

You do have to eventually do it that many times at minimum iirc

[sweet folio]

After my 3rd or 4th time Mel was like “maybe I should go to olympus next” and then at the end of olympus it was like “yeah that didn’t accomplish anything because chronos is still alive”

[craggy totem]

Yes, sometimes wars are complicated and can't be solved in one fell swoop :P

This is not because you did things in the wrong order.

[stuck minnow]

Chronos... I can beat him

I'm so close

I got hit by one of his one-shots in phase 2...

I overshot the safe zone...

But

I was doing LOADS of damage

Mel axe isnt terrible
every hit was doing upwards of 600 damage

I blew through Cerberus in less than 30 seconds

Strength also helped

[sweet folio]

Scorch has carried me almost every run

That or finding like 2-3 Daedalus hammers and filling all my boon slots

I also love demeter’s boon of rarifying other boons

Artemis boons seem less broken than they were last game

On the other hand Athena now has some of the best in the game to the point where you’re limited to only one

Is there a keepsake for finding more hammers

[craggy totem]

No

But there is one for giving you a random temporary hammer

[crude dragon]

Nah, they're still cracked

Crit's one of the things that can get boosted by Success Rate

[calm flicker]

Even without Success Rate, increasing one's native CR to non-zero us pretty damn powerful, hence why Pressure Points & Raki are so beloved.

Ugh. Would Hephastus' Infusion be otherwise overpowered if it interacted with attack & special?

I know Ares/Hephaestus' Strike/Flourish capitalize on Hephaestus' Infusion, but why only non- attack/special??

[craggy totem]

I figured there's an element of like, y'know how he calls Mel "witchie" and all that

He's a Not Magick guy

[turbid loom]

Aspect of than is so fun

[still mantle]

Yes

[still mantle]

We need Tier list of all god nicknames for mel

Actually just every nickname any character uses for mel

[still mantle]

Ok here's the nickname tier list:
S: hot stuff (hestia), witchie (heph), sunshine (apollo), trouble (eris) princess (nem), little star (selene), poppet (circe), spawn of hades (chaos).
A: dearie (hestia), my dear (hera), meli (icarus), agent of change (prometheus), flower (dem), dearest (aphrodite), sister (heracles), M (hermes) my kin (ares), laurel (narc) lady (scylla). Sorceress (medea), my friend (arachne)
B: cousin (a couple gods), mel (assorted people), goddess (Odysseus). Granddaughter (chronos), my girl (chronos) daughter (hades)
C: my niece (zoos and poseidon), sis(zag).
Did i miss any?

[final saddle]

“Goddess” from Odysseus

[dusty topaz]

What about Princess (Nemesis) and M (Hermes)?

[craggy totem]

M is cute

[still mantle]

I updated it

[still mantle]

I updated it

[crude dragon]

"My kin" from Ares

[still mantle]

Done and done.

[crude dragon]

"Granddaughter" from Chronos

"Daughter" from Hades

"Poppet" from Circe

"Laurel" from Narc

"Little star" from Selene

I forget if Medea has one

[cursive nacelle]

"agent" -scylla
"witch/sorceror" -medea

[cunning laurel]

looks like just "sorceress"

[crude dragon]

I'm almost certain Dionysus has one

[still mantle]

Oh right also "my girl"

I think that's it

[crude dragon]

"My friend" from Arachne

"Hhhhhhruagh" from Charon :3

Moros also calls her Princess

"Spawn of Hades" from Chaos

Artemis just calls her cousin, right?

[still mantle]

Yeah

Or mel

[still mantle]

Surely that's all of them

[crude dragon]

||"Sis" from Zag||

Doesn't Hecate have a nickname for Mel?

[still mantle]

No

She just calls her melinoë

[cunning laurel]

"Mel baby"

[still mantle]

This HAS to be all of them
S: hot stuff (hestia), witchie (heph), sunshine (apollo), trouble (eris) princess (nem), little star (selene), poppet (circe), spawn of hades (chaos), mel baby (dio).
A: dearie (hestia), my dear (hera), meli (icarus), agent of change (prometheus), flower (dem), dearest (aphrodite), sister (heracles), M (hermes) my kin (ares), laurel (narc) lady (scylla). Sorceress (medea), my friend (arachne)
B: cousin (a couple gods), mel (assorted people), goddess (Odysseus). Granddaughter (chronos), my girl (chronos) daughter (hades)
C: my niece (zoos and poseidon), sis(zag).

[still mantle]

NOOOOO-

OK NOW IM DONE

[crude dragon]

Remember, Moros also calls her Princess

Does Poly have any nicknames for her?

Actually, bigger question. Does ||Nyx|| have any title for her?

[cunning laurel]

just child

[craggy totem]

I think he calls her 'meat' or something

[cunning laurel]

never any consistent name from him

[brisk bison]

I usually run max frenzy and I just turned it off
I forgot how nice that feels LOL

[torn wind]

Max frenzy is just normal at this point

Like I actively choose to keep it on because playing without it feels weird

[short raft]

Ok so artemi's Omega speed is jusrt a worthless stat, yes?

[jolly hound]

Same

[still mantle]

long exasperated sigh

[dry whale]

Any tips for mel coat?

[slim pike]

What boon are you thinking of?

oh wait, the aspect stat, and no, it's not worthless

the shield to perform a riposte with is only present when fully charged

[short raft]

whats its use? just the speed of the slash as you hit their back, no?

[slim pike]

How long it takes to charge the omega attack

+60% faster actually means it's reduced to 40% of the normal time it takes

if you somehow get Premium Service that bonus goes to a nonsense -90% time reduction, basically instant

[shell lake]

What triggers origination? Is it just debuffs like Aphrodite’s weak and Zeus’s thunder cloud thing

[craggy totem]

Anything that is described as a "Curse:" in the tooltip and is from an Olympian counts.

I think there may be one or two edge cases, like Artemis' "Marked"

But if it comes from a core-boon-giving god, you should be good to go

Keep in mind that it has to be curses from two different gods -- not "two different curses".

So Gust + Freeze won't work; they're both from grandma

[shell lake]

Thats a nice explanation, thanks

[torn wind]

Don't you just hate when you get a really good build except for that ONE thing you decided to take? Persephone skull and I got a lvl 9 storm ring and lvl 9 prom flare but I had taken P-Array from an early hammer so I've got no magick to make any use of it because I didn't get a good gain

[stuck minnow]

Fireball build

Make the "I didn't ask how big the chamber is, I cast Glowing Coal!" build

[torn wind]

Yeah I ought to have just stopped using attacks other than to activate heph blast and exclusively used cast

Lightning lance would have also been nice

I just ended up ditching the run since it was really early

[brittle epoch]

What would be the best build for the staff ?

[torn wind]

Which one?

[brittle epoch]

it doesn't matter

[torn wind]

I mean a build for circe would be very cast-focused while a build for mel staff would be very special focused

Though can't go wrong with something like mirrored thrasher on any of them

[crude dragon]

Yes, it does, you do not play Circe and Momus the same way

And you absolutely don't play Anubis like the normal 3

[brittle epoch]

ok so let's say Circe then

[torn wind]

Storm ring or smolder ring

And basically anything cast focused

Air quality for beam damage

That's just the usually safe option I go with

[brittle epoch]

ok thx

[crude dragon]

Circe wants a strong Cast of some kind. Storm Ring, Smolder Ring, even Arctic Ring and Tidal Ring

[torn wind]

Circe when you're not casting can just spam normal attacks and specials

You CAN do winners circle if you get like apollo cast and geyser spout

That's really fun

[crude dragon]

Rousing Reception is still underwhelming

[torn wind]

Yeah it's a pretty gimmicky boon that falls off later in

[crude dragon]

But all the other Cast-related boons are worth taking. Geyser Spout, Local Climate, Arctic Gale, etc

Don't take ranged casts for obvious reasons

[torn wind]

Yeah can go heavy into air quality

Meat Grinder

[crude dragon]

Easy Shot if Artemis deigns to make an appearance

[torn wind]

But circe is effectively just double damage on all your casts plus a beam that does really good damage if you use it right

[torn wind]

I've seen it like once or twice in my past 50 or so runs sadly and not at times where I wanted to take it

[crude dragon]

Unfortunately, despite how well Froth plays with Circe and the stuff you want on it, you don't want to go out of your way for Tidal Ring because it doesn't hit twice if you overlap it

[torn wind]

Can get poseidon attack, special or dash and get froth from that but it's a bit of commitment

Mirrored thrasher with poseidon attack is fun to spam while waiting on your cast

Also I never realized that twilight curse one-shots the eggs typhon spawns

Made some good use of that on my last run

Since the eggs can't be morphed it just instantly kills them

Well just started a circe run and got apollo cast so guess I'm hunting winners circle now

And lucid gain let's go

[open nimbus]

Easy shot is one of the worst boons in the game, theres pretty much no value in it

[torn wind]

Winners circle hell yeah

[crude dragon]

There's some cases where it's not a bad option, and it's not even the worst Artemis boon

[open nimbus]

It is 100% the worst Artemis boon?

[torn wind]

mmmm hex crit chance

[crude dragon]

Support Fire is still a boon that exists

[torn wind]

Not bad with air quality

[crude dragon]

So by definition, it cannot be the worst

[crude dragon]

Even with Air Quality, you can only have 3 arrows on the screen at a time

[torn wind]

Fair

[open nimbus]

Common Support fire gives 30 total damage for an attack vs 50 for a whole omega cast

[crude dragon]

As I recall, it's per enemy hit by the Omega Cast (plus the shots pierce, which Support Fire doesn't)

And since I was talking about a Circe build when you butted in, it would be one of the times where it's worth considering

The other being Charon, though Charon would also benefit a ton from Killing Stroke

[jolly burrow]

hey guys any advice for rivals hecate? she is clapping my cheeks

[torn wind]

Present your cheeks less for clapping

[calm flicker]

Is it "good enough" to equip Demeter & Aphrodite's Ring on Circe, if preferable to equip Zeus, Hestia, Apollo, etc.?

[old veldt]

Dem is solid idk about aphro tho

[open nimbus]

I also dont like support fire and needing air quality because that has more requirements to be useful. If I was forced to pick either easy shot, support fire, and the hex one... I guess easy shot would get picked there and id be sad the whole time.

[calm flicker]

It deals the same DMG as Demeter Ring, but with a longer DMG interval & pulls enemies towards the center.

[open nimbus]

Are you going for speed or safety? Rapture ring and arctic gale is solid

[old veldt]

Freeze is also better than weak

[jolly burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-8470516175995282617

[torn wind]

Glad I could help

[old veldt]

I would take support fire unless I'm using charon or have other ocast boons

[calm flicker]

I would agree, but I never thought to compare the two when I'd rather have both to trigger Origination.

Demeter's Ring is better on Circe when it deals greater DPS.

I ask if Aphrodite & Demeter's Ring is "good enough" for Circe.

[open nimbus]

Well... weak can get sweet surrender and thats a greater buff to all your damage

And yeah ok support fire is globally more useful than easy shot. I can never bring myself to pick easy shot and I play a ton of circe

[craggy totem]

Olympus bot frozen mid-slice'n'dice-animation:

[torn wind]

In all seriousness it’s pretty RNG how difficult rivals Hecate will be

Some abilities are a skill check and some are borderline undodgeable. And then having to play hide and seek every 2 seconds sometimes while other times she just sits in one spot

Love getting morphed into something slow and then she uses the aoe ability that’s nearly unavoidable unless you’re constantly dodging

[crude dragon]

Hex one would also be good, depending on the Hex chosen

[craggy totem]

People ragging on Sky Fall but Whispered Prayer Sky Fall would be pretty sick

[crude dragon]

Whispered Prayer Night Bloom

[craggy totem]

WP crit chance stacks with Nurture of Hera, right?

[crude dragon]

It does

Would also be strong on Lunar Ray, with the usual caveats of Lunar Ray

[open nimbus]

Yeah crit is just so so so much better than those weak flat damage sources 💪

[crude dragon]

I.E. the fact that it sucks ass if you don't get Prominence

[jolly burrow]

yeah, i guess is some skill issue and i kinda lose my self with all the effects on the screen

[torn wind]

It's a criticism I've seen often made. Also doesn't help that, if I recall correctly, the morph makes your screen zoom in so it's even harder to see anything that's happening

Gives you less time to react to the witches or hecate

[jolly burrow]

the morph is really annoying unless you have the good frinos with you

[torn wind]

Frinos may be a frog but he's the MF'n GOAT

Damn it I got rude awakening and tried to get chain reaction from another heph boon. And guess what

Denial is making me sacrifice my apolly cast

Now my only way to daze anybody is light smite

Great

[craggy totem]

Yeah duos and legendaries ain't guaranteed even with Denial

The gamble!!! 🎲

[torn wind]

My ass intentionally getting hit by prometheus to give me light smite lol

I had bounce back so I healed half of it

Fountain and I'm back to full health

Big brian

hmmmm. Shall I sacrifice cardio gain for flood gain and gamble on getting seismic servo...

We love gambling

[plain relic]

Song of pearls is so catchy

[torn wind]

hahaha got double sea star activations on the pom slices from icarus

And got 2 levels of smithy rush

Seismic servo let's go I freaking love gambling

And I got solar ring back gamblers never lose

[calm flicker]

And then have Frinos unexpectedly explode the bombs from Cerberus.

[torn wind]

1-min typhon kill nice. Forgot until second minion phase that I had twilight curse and could instant kill the eggs

[plain relic]

Hephaestus builds are really fun imo

[torn wind]

Would have been insane if I got chain reaction but sadly not

Had hestia from the very beginning and got cardio gain and her special then never saw her again

I just realized, I think smithy rush doesn't count as "heph blast" damage

I think it only counts as rushing damage

Since both rushing and heph blasts appeared on my top damage separately when I had heph attack and rush

#h2-victory-boasting message

[plain relic]

Uhhhhhh does melinoes voice deepen if you make her get the size buff????

[jolly hound]

Yep

[broken glen]

Yeah! It also raises if you make her smaller

[plain relic]

Thats so cool lol

[broken glen]

And there’s a bunch of fun dialogue if you talk to characters (like Icarus staring respectfully)

[plain relic]

She actually kinda sounds menacing when shes big

Yeah I got icarus and dionysus lol

[broken glen]

Dionysus is hilarious, the first time you meet him he just thinks zagreus transitioned

[plain relic]

Nice I just got seismic servo after u guys talked about it

[calm flicker]

Well, a number of the gods are shapeshifters.

Nonetheless humorous.

[unkempt zodiac]

Whats the difference in difficulty between high fear uw and sf

[merry whale]

surface is unfair, underworld is pretty balanced

[unkempt zodiac]

I've done 50f uw and 24f sf I may have picked a favorite

[merry whale]

to put it into perspective, underworld tends to have more familiar variety so u see more frinos, raki, etc

for surface gale is a requirement

[unkempt zodiac]

Due to high base damage attacks?

[merry whale]

that and also due to how objectively unfair/unreactable encounters and minibosses can be

gale gives a nice buffer

[craggy totem]

How the hell do you cleanly fight the dracon miniboss with Shadows on when you have enough other vows to make facetanking a bad idea

Feels like they just take turns spamming the arena, ain't no window

[unkempt zodiac]

Armor shred right

[merry whale]

ya mega dracon is giga ass

[unkempt zodiac]

Like... it works wonders

[merry whale]

u wanna have some form of cheese ye like armor shred, twilight curse, etc

[craggy totem]

Even with, I still gotta go somehere they won't gobble me up

[crude dragon]

Underworld has harder bosses, surface has harder everything else

[solid epoch]

anyone got tips for grinding for heracles' bond for the prophecy?

[crude dragon]

Well, you need to beat Unrivaled Prometheus at least once, IIRC

[stuck minnow]

The Mourning Fields has one of my favorite area themes of any game

[crude dragon]

Corrosion On Sight :)

[stuck minnow]

Eternal Longing is a fire track for how slow and deliberately miserable it is

[craggy totem]

Even with Corrosion I just feel like I'm playing hot potato with Melinoe's entire body 😭

[solid epoch]

Are chaos trials good for grinding this, or should I just constantly do surface runs and pray?

[craggy totem]

You cannot get special relationship-advancing dialogues or gather resources when in Chaos trials

[crude dragon]

I don't think Heracles can even spawn during chaos trials

[solid epoch]

damn alr
I have 1/5 hearts needed
wish me luck

[calm flicker]

Oh. Chaos' Revival ( x per room) ignores Scars...?

[broken glen]

Chaos does not submit to fear

[calm flicker]

I had Wayward Son, the Revival was labeled to 11, & lv 1 Scars... so it should've been heal 12 per room, but it was 15 instead.

[crude dragon]

Yeah, Revival bypasses Scars

[calm flicker]

Fecund hell, that's weird.

[jolly hound]

[solid epoch]

I love the lil shades
I wish we could recruit the one in Cerberus's arena

[crude dragon]

:)

[torn wind]

Chat… do they know?

[solid epoch]

Ok so I haven't talked to it enough it seems
That is now my current objective

[torn wind]

Saluting has little secrets like how confiding in frinos is a prophecy

[solid epoch]

Good to know 🤔

[calm flicker]

Doesn't the player outright need to complete the "salute to Frinos 5 times in a row across 5 nights" to be able to equip them in the first place?

[torn wind]

Defeated Hecate 7 times

Gathered with the Crescent Pick 2 times, with the Tablet of Peace 8 times, and 1 time with the Silver Spade.

Confiding in frinos is just a prophecy, not a requirement for unlocking familiars apparently

[broken creek]

thats old wiki info iirc

unless im crazy

since the wiki is like super EA outdated

[craggy totem]

Anything about unlock requirements and stuff it's worth being suspicious of yeah

[still mantle]

What's the best element overall you think?

[torn wind]

Element are kinda secondary to a good build off just boons

I mean some infusions can make a good build better but like there’s not much reason to stick to just a certain element unless maybe like martial art or slow cooker

Air quality is good but it’s pretty easy to get 5 airs on any build that would use it

Rallying cry isn’t really worth going for if you’re playing with denial since it’s pretty hard to get 8 rocks in my experience

[still mantle]

Me who did 32 fear without denial

[torn wind]

I voluntarily play with denial

[royal orbit]

Whirling helix or hidden helix??? Kinda seem the same tbh

[still mantle]

Speaking of which what's everybody's standard fun run fear setup

Like when not going for fear pbs

Just fun

[torn wind]

I don’t like seeing the same boons I don’t want over and over again so I actively play with denial now even when I drop fear

[still mantle]

Wait

Wrong link

[torn wind]

Time frenzy and denial is what I run just to get over 12 and it’s just what I’m used to now

But guess I don’t need 12 anymore

Cause I’ve already got everything

But I never turn off frenzy cause then I uncondition myself

[still mantle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDMsMCwzLDAsNSwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsOF0%3D

Here's my standard

25 fear for runs

[torn wind]

Why not frenzy 2 to get used to it?

Might as well to condition yourself

[still mantle]

Yes im a bum who on plays with frenzy 1😭

[bitter stirrup]

Frenzy 2, Menace 2, Fangs 2, Shadow, Time 3, Hubris 2 (or Hubris 0 depending on the weapon), Denial

Rivals stresses me out too much to have it on for fun

[still mantle]

Bro would rather play with hubris and denial thsn rivals 😭

[torn wind]

My 40 fear underworld is usually frenzy, menace, fangs, shadow, menace, debt, scars 1, denial, hubris timer and rivals 3

[still mantle]

Also frenzy and rivals both require you to learn things and frenzy is definitely way harder to learn initially

[torn wind]

Anything I didn’t say a number for is max

[still mantle]

You said menace twice

Separately

[torn wind]

Oh wait uhhh I’m missing a few

Pain 1, grit 1, wards 1

Yeah that’s 40

#h2-victory-boasting message

I’m working on doing 40 underworld and 32 surface on whatever aspects

I ought to just do 40 surface

I’ve got 8 surface 32’s and 4 underworld 40’s so far

Rivals Prometheus isn’t that hard so I ought to just do it

I don’t do rivals 3 on surface and I should

Just 2

[bitter stirrup]

Tbh now that I've played Rivals 4, surface is easier for it probably because you get so much more health up there too and it lets you ease up the other vows as well

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message this was a fun 32 surface

Beefy hammer damage

[bitter stirrup]

And also something about Typhon just being a wall in front of you is way easier than having to deal with teleporting gramps

[torn wind]

Yeah rivals typhon just adds some minor skill checks

The third phase is just “can you dodge good”

Meanwhile rivals Chronos is “want more instakills and massive attacks? Okay”

Rivals Chronos is something I genuinely fear having to fight again. I killed him first try with like 10 health left and then never fought him again yet

[craggy totem]

Fight him at least three times, once on each level of Frenzy, just to expand your horizons ;P

[torn wind]

Would you believe if I chose to fight him on frenzy 2 the first time I faced him

[craggy totem]

Absolutely.

[rough lintel]

Rival chronos is king von himself

[craggy totem]

But you should give each a spin just for completeness' sake.

[torn wind]

I think I posted me barely beating him

[rough lintel]

Prolly one of the hardest boss in video game

67 fear chronos

[broken creek]

i actually hate him so much

[torn wind]

I guess I didn’t post my first rivals chronos kill

I might have recorded it though

[rough lintel]

my biggest gripe on dead cells is also my favourite thing aobut hades

the difficulty peak in hades is just so so so so so so so so so so so so so much higher than deadcells

however deadcells runs feels way less repetitive

[torn wind]

Hades is a pretty shallow valley for a while until it becomes and absolute mountain of difficulty at true endgame

[rough lintel]

yea

[torn wind]

Well, there’s still a decent difficulty curve early on

But it’s absolutely nothing compared to like everything above 40 fear

62 fear is something I question if I’ll even get to

I’m probably never gonna be a masochist enough to do 67

[rough lintel]

67 fear is too hard

that saying hades 2 keep sakes and aspects are a lot stronger than deadcell

[torn wind]

I mean you’re removing literally every buff that was meant to scale you for meta progression

[rough lintel]

deadcells is more rougelike than rougelite

[broken creek]

67 is mean yeah, 62 imo is a lot easier than most people expect imo

[torn wind]

Well you still have arcana at least

[broken creek]

in 67 you kinda jave to hope for your build like halfway through erebus or its just not gonna work for timer

[torn wind]

67 you have literally nothing to help you without RNG

[broken creek]

and surface 67 can just end whenever with a bad fangs combo or olympus being olympus

[rough lintel]

i can barely do 50 T-T

[buoyant matrix]

up until 50 fear is very attainable, the big grind only really starts after that