h2-discussion

[nova oar]

If you've only done a few runs then you have just scratched the surface

[fickle drum]

No no, I've not gone there yet.

[red fox]

Well a few run don't even scratch the surface iirc you need more run to start scratching surface

[nova oar]

That too 😭

I wasn't literally talking about the surface region

[fickle drum]

I got Moros to the crossroads. And I started the process to make the ingredient for undoing the ward.

[fickle drum]

I know, just tried to be deadpan.

[nova oar]

Fair warning, it's alot harder than the underworld

[red fox]

But give you more power at beginning

[fickle drum]

I'll check it out anyway.

[nova oar]

Depends on experience and build knowledge u gotta really take advantage of it

[fickle drum]

Like what's the worst that can happen, being sent back to the start? XD

[nova oar]

That's the spirit

[fickle drum]

Oh also I get my ass whooped by the tiny vermin for some reason.

But I've never died to Hecate even once.

[nova oar]

Yeah hecate is pretty much the easiest boss

[fickle drum]

Is there any point to Artemis' Keepsake? Does it really only work for one region?

[red fox]

High risk high rewards

[nova oar]

It's good for speedruns and fun, it's a ton of extra damage for one region

Most people, me included, use it in the 4th region

[fickle drum]

Only 30 health for the final boss?

Or can you swap at the end shop?

[nova oar]

Yeah it's pretty easy when you get good at the fight

[fickle drum]

I only unlocked swapping just now so I haven't used it yet.

[red fox]

You can have armor

[fickle drum]

You can also not have armor :p

[nova oar]

Armour and lovers does make it alot more comfortable

[fickle drum]

Oh I haven't figured out what I want from the cards yet. I should probably unlock them all.

If you remove the Artemis Keepsake does it restore any health gains you obtained?

[nova oar]

Yes

[fickle drum]

I guess I'll just rank it up by using it in the first region for now.

[nova oar]

I wouldn't recommend it but go for your life

[fickle drum]

Scylla gives me a lot of trouble too. I think Cerby isn't that bad by comparison.

[nova oar]

Cerb is really easy yeah

[tight anchor]

I don't think high fear players are most people

[nova oar]

I'm saying most people that use it do 4th region

[tight anchor]

Oh

[nova oar]

Only high fear runners that use antler are 65-67 players

[red fox]

And antler addicts

[nova oar]

Strength runners love the antler

[tight anchor]

So this wording represents your stance:
"Most people who use it, me included, use it in the 4th region"

[fickle drum]

Well I'll just try to rank it up early so I don't have to do it later.

[red fox]

Well later has keepsake level 2x faster upgrade so ...

[nova oar]

Ah are you maxing all keepsakes?

[tight anchor]

Which equally applies to all keepsakes too

[fickle drum]

I mean what's even the point of living if I don't max out every keepsake? 😉

[nova oar]

Sure ig

[nova oar]

Real s**t

[tight anchor]

If you never equip a 3 star keepsake, then you should max all keepsakes in less than 100 runs

[fickle drum]

Do you ever unlock a thingy to track affection levels?

[nova oar]

Yes

[fickle drum]

Cool ok

[muted marten]

strength or death?

[nova oar]

Context?

[tender oracle]

i assume they're asking which one is better?
in which case i think death is a bit better in general but strength is still very viable
so really go for the one you have more fun with, unless you need one over the other for a build or something

[craggy totem]

No, "context" as in "what kind of run" etc, because the answer to "which is better" changes depending on that

[nova oar]

In general strength is better, dd's are more niche

There are situations where one is always better

[rotund wing]

Shocking loss-ed my first miniboss

It took me a minute to find out what in the world happened

[nova oar]

Noone ever expects it

[slate falcon]

Does anyone know the exact conditions for Eris to show up when you're progressing too fast?

Like how fast is too fast, does she always show up or is it a chance

[nova oar]

Over 30% health after a boss in the first 10 runs

Shows up in oceanus first two night, then fields

I think she shows up in tart but I stopped playing fresh file

[slate falcon]

Oh so it's like Night 1-2: Oceanus, Night 3-?: Field, Night ?-10: Tartarus, presumably? And only if your health is too high?

[nova oar]

Pretty much yep

[slate falcon]

Gotcha, ty

[rotund wing]

Man, playing with toula really does feel like trying to herd a cat

I was playing circe too, so I really needed toula to not be sleeping on the other side of the arena half of the time

[nova oar]

Don't play toula with circe

[red fox]

Well you can use raki who on top of enemy 80% of time

[nova oar]

Raki or gale is best

[red fox]

Or gale who following you

[nova oar]

I prefer gale he's more consistent for room clear

[rotund wing]

Yeah that was my mistake, I was trying to get a lot of fish earlier and forgot I had toula active

I did win the run, but my god toula was a pain in the rear the entire time

[buoyant orbit]

Poseidon's splash effects should trigger the little rascal

[nova oar]

Huh?

[buoyant orbit]

Slash s

[craggy totem]

Icarus has been at the Crossroads every time I get back after the past, like, half a dozen or so UW runs. What on earth has gotten into this boy's head.

[nova oar]

More like Mel has gotten to his head

[flint sail]

if only he did that during romance progression

[craggy totem]

Hang on, you can have Fields 1 -> no miniboss choices for Fields 2?

[foggy sable]

have another

[craggy totem]

I Would Rather Not, Thanks 😭

Oh my god does Fields 1 -> no miniboss = No Echo

WHAT IS THIS SEED 😭 I guess I'll play it through because it's coat but oh man I feel so 😭

The most cursed goddamn run jeez

What do you call a Tartarus room that spawns like five different waves, each consisting of one (1) single enemy in one (1) different random corner of the biggest possible Tartarus room layout oml

[foggy sable]

Have another (im watching the video with a 100% sea star chance)

[oblique hemlock]

his voicelines for that boon are so funny

[foggy sable]

HAVE ANOTHER :D

[thin laurel]

miniboss placement in fields is weird
getting echo scammed sucks, but I've had runs where I don't get offered a miniboss at all until the room directly before the shop lol? so it's like. normal room, normal room, echo, miniboss, shop. very odd fields

[craggy totem]

What Ye Fuchsia Dress. Hwhy. The fact that there is a "normal" thing that happen 98% of the time just makes this even more.... 😭

[midnight moss]

What's the average number of Nights to beat the main story? I'm at 200+, but I only unlocked Familiar Upgrading during the last... 100 nights, and did a lot of Chaos.
Still, only need 2 more Victories to end the story.

[craggy totem]

Keep in mind that IIRC version 1.0 required fewer minimum runs to complete the main plot

[oblique hemlock]

are ||infernal contracts|| more likely to appear in the underworld than on the surface? or is it samesies

[midnight moss]

Right, now you need at least ~15.

[thin laurel]

||40% chance in any midshop, but I'd say midshops are more common in the underworld overall, I pretty much never miss them in Erebus and Oceanus. on the surface he can show up in Thessaly and Olympus, both of which have kinda spotty midshop luck||

also I have no idea how to count how many nights it took me to beat the story, since I'm on an early access save
if you count every night before I got the credits then it's like 300 or something, but if you count the nights it took me to actually progress the plot then I did it in the minimum number possible since I already had max upgrades and a lot of experience in 1.0 🤷

idk what the average number is for people, and it also depends on how often you do chaos trials since I believe those also count as "nights"

[oblique hemlock]

thx!

[midnight moss]

I'm an Early Access-er too, and stopped after getting my first Sand at ~90 days. And yes, Chaos counts as nights too.

...
Oh, right. Actual gameplay Question: What's the minimum Fear I need to get the easiest Gift of Night? Or does the game tell you before you run, once you unlock that feature?

[thin laurel]

...I should also really take a break from pushing fear and finish up my last couple achievements 💀 I've been distracted and not wanting to take keepsakes I don't need
458 nights on my save file, everything else maxed out, prob ~200 nights on save files from previous updates, but uh. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1441288139569238026/Screenshot_2025-11-20_at_8.43.14_PM.png?ex=69213fae&is=691fee2e&hm=7c990b7c862070f535f5025cf549790f874139096b3b323b43d9542d78eceb4f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1396&height=1300
😔

[oblique hemlock]

speaking of fear, is there any value to adding vows if you’re not going to reach a testament that night? besides like, pushing your own abilities as a player

[thin laurel]

wait remind me, is gift of night the night's champion stuff from skelly, or the extra mats you get in region 4 if fear is high?

[thin laurel]

nope, other than reaching 12 fear to get some extra mats in region 4 sometimes
(if fear is at 12+, or at least I think it's 12+, tartarus and summit rooms have a chance to include pet treats, nightmare, or moon dust sometimes. maybe something else I'm forgetting too?)

[oblique hemlock]

12 sounds right yeah
thanks again

[thin laurel]

by the time I unlocked that feature I didn't need the mats and generally didn't play below the amount of fear it requires so uh. someone correct me if I'm wrong

[oblique hemlock]

12 or 10 anyway, i feel like ive see some where you only need 10

[midnight moss]

Gifts are the extra mats.

[thin laurel]

confusing since the statues are "gifts of the veil"
but yeah, 12 fear afaik

[oblique hemlock]

omfg i just got one in EREBUS
i swear i’ve only ever seen them in the first regions

[midnight moss]

Lore: Where / Who do the statues come from again? ||If it's Nyx, then how did I get them without freeing her from Chronos||?

[thin laurel]

I mean... Skelly says they come from Nyx, but I have a feeling they were literally just commissioned by Skelly

[foggy sable]

what happens if you have less then 5 total damage sources?

[thin laurel]

then there are just blank slots on the victory screen

[midnight moss]

Yeah, but did he just hire Shades to build them?? Or did Nyx actually do something?

[foggy sable]

has anyone won with a single damage source?

[covert badge]

i mean you can try

[midnight moss]

Why would you? You'd have to deal with Boons trying to push the others on you annoyingly

[thin laurel]

I don't think Nyx did anything at all, or knows they exist tbh

[foggy sable]

same reason people do a lot of things, challenge

[oblique hemlock]

people did boonless runs in hades 1 no?

[foggy sable]

and sometimes just to be the first

[thin laurel]

||iirc she has some dialogue where Mel is like "I'm honored to be Night's Champion" and Nyx is like..... politely baffled and just kinda goes "that's.... nice. yes. great. good for you"||

[thin laurel]

someone has won with just toula, actually lmao

[foggy sable]

dang

[thin laurel]

#h2-victory-boasting message I could literally never

[midnight moss]

Dash dash dash...

[foggy sable]

that has to be in underworld right?

[thin laurel]

and here's a hitless run (minus chaos gates) too: #h2-victory-boasting message

[thin laurel]

yup! green background on victory screen = underworld

[foggy sable]

thank goodness lol

[oblique hemlock]

274 armor wow

[midnight moss]

Lucky!

[oblique hemlock]

strikes to armor must not count as hits then (?) since you aren’t taking dmg

[midnight moss]

Yeah, I've seen Perfect Health with Armor if you look in Boasting, so I guess so

...
Would a Boon that flips Armor and HP around, like you take HP damage before your Armor, be OP?

[thin laurel]

I think hits to armor count as damage taken...? since I've ended runs with full HP but had damage taken from chronos listed on the victory screen

[midnight moss]

Yeah, but did you still get the Perfect Health title?

[oblique hemlock]

taking inspiration from this and pomming the bejeezus out of sea star on my current run

[oblique hemlock]

that makes this even more impressive holy moly

can’t believe how skilled some people are at this game

[thin laurel]

yup

perfect health seems to just be full HP 🤷 not "no damage listed"

[midnight moss]

What is the Meticulous Planner title?

[thin laurel]

uhhh no idea actually, idk what all the titles mean beyond the obvious ones (like dynamic duos)

aha, here's an example to confirm: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1441292136132775966/Screenshot_2025-11-18_at_1.59.16_AM.png?ex=69214367&is=691ff1e7&hm=4e8fa5b6e83d2b61aa41ae742d161a5b508db2e9eb3919ade59ecfa682d14f39&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2284&height=1486
in perfect health, but damage taken to typhon (which was def the armor + stuff like lovers)

[covert badge]

iirc its >= 60 min clear

[midnight moss]

Do we have a list of all titles?

[thin laurel]

also can I just say, the fact that sunny dispo carnal pleasure heartthrobs barely did more damage than gusts without air quality/the apollo dem duo........ is kinda sad 💀
but also hell yeah gust damage, I guess

[craggy totem]

Not a complete and up-to-date one listed in a publicly available place.

[covert badge]

gotta get success rate ig

[midnight moss]

What was their Plasma generation?

[sonic chasm]

Regarding the physical release, how does it work? Is it compatible with the Switch 1?

[thin laurel]

that was my run, and it's epic lv5 grisly gain + ares legendary

[craggy totem]

#announcements wording seems to address this

[midnight moss]

Isn't that Plasma on Damaged Mel / Enemy Kills?

[craggy totem]

No, anything with "gain" in the name is a magick regen boon.

[thin laurel]

nope, grisly gain is base chance to generate plasma from every hit!
the one you're thinking of is uh. oh god what's it called... profuse bleeding is the wounds one.. uhhh OH visceral impact

[midnight moss]

Oh. I thought that would've been easier to get Plasma. But if you're killing them too quickly, then you're actually losing Plasma lol

[thin laurel]

it should in theory pop off for bossing
I think it's just the combination of <100% chance to create plasma, <100% chance to get a heartthrob from the duo, and heartthrob damage not being that amazing

and gusts are just good lol. to be fair to the duo, I prob had frigid rush for more of the total run, too. just... expected two heartthrob duos (with a leg to help!) to pop off a bit more than that

[midnight moss]

What's the Anchor damage source?

[craggy totem]

Those dudes in Thessaly that slam anchors

[thin laurel]

I hate those things... too much AoE 😔 on small boats
esp with vow of fangs

[craggy totem]

Literally be hitting you from offscreen

[thin laurel]

also interestingly some hitless region 4 runs don't get the in perfect health title...? idt?

[red fox]

2 of them appear covering 50% of room

[midnight moss]

This is why I want Freeze Cast, to stop things in their tracks.

[thin laurel]

like, this was hitless chronos, idt he did less than 20 damage with pain 2 active lol...? I wonder if I didn't have max health before antler and it somehow counts that https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1441294887227101234/Screenshot_2025-11-19_at_12.22.25_AM.png?ex=692145f7&is=691ff477&hm=8c2f852af429e37a01cd6ef08d973ccf8e8565f273a092c5a4275cb87d4f211d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

[craggy totem]

Fun fact: if you freeze an Olympus robot while it's in the middle of doing its spinny razorblades attack, it can still attack you

[thin laurel]

I know this, and hate that I know it 🙃 I wish both you and I never had to learn that fact 🙃

[midnight moss]

Yeah, I wish they actually froze, instead of just Slow

[red fox]

Unfun fact

[midnight moss]

The Master Slicers becoming Master Sliders is annoying but funny.

[thin laurel]

I love olympus robots for one reason only: night bloom (and the duos which do the same thing)
other than that they can be reduced to scrap metal for all I care

[midnight moss]

I love Hel Skull because the shots actually pass through obstacles. Safe attacking

[craggy totem]

Heph's major sins:

• boons too dependent on rarity and poms
• does not program his automata to have updatable security software

[midnight moss]

Intended Feature as Odysseus says. It's a Keep Away machine, not a Security Guard.

[oblique hemlock]

I DID IT I GOT POM POM POM

[midnight moss]

Oh. Automata, noy just Talos. Nvm

[oblique hemlock]

100% DOUBLE REWARD CHANCE

[midnight moss]

I was thinking you were doing the prophecy, but no. Gold gold gold was my last one.

How many Underworld trips does it take to do the Echo storyline? It seems it takes longer than the main story lol? Even if you got them everytime?

[craggy totem]

Plenty of the side stories can take longer than the main storyline if you don't die a lot. That being said, where are you in her storyline/relationship progression?

[midnight moss]

Murky Water convo ~4 or 5 has happened iirc?

[red fox]

Still shorter than icarus

[craggy totem]

Do you have her keepsake? Because murky water is a Narcissus thing

[midnight moss]

Yeah, I'm good. I just found it funny thought so I wanted to say.

[midnight moss]

Speaking of, how tall is he compared to... Is actually everyone around the same height?

[oblique hemlock]

mel is teeny tiny compared to her family iirc

[midnight moss]

How tall is Zag vs. Mel?

[oblique hemlock]

she comes up to about his shoulder i think?

[craggy totem]

Post-epilogue spoilers: ||But we know she gonna grow up way taller eh ;P||

[midnight moss]

Funny thing is that catching the spoilers elsewhere made me want to finish the game.

Goodnight y'all!

[feral lintel]

I love it because if you have on autofire, you can shoot the attack and special at the same time by holding down both mouse keys

[grave gorge]

Rivals ||Typhon||: one-shotted
Rivals ||Chronos||: actually impossible

[hearty timber]

Exactly

[fair thorn]

wait really?? ||it took me ages to beat typhon and i think i got chronos on my second or third try||

[sudden harness]

rivals ||chronos ||wasnt that difficult on my first try, got him down to like 3 percent health and then he wombo-comboed my ass

[grave gorge]

Yeah, I've gotten him super low a couple of times

[thin laurel]

frenzy 2 vs no frenzy makes quite a difference tbh
also the weapon you're playing and other factors etc etc

[sudden harness]

whatd be the easiest weapon to defeat him you think?

[grave gorge]

I've been doing my attempts with Mel Daggers

[thin laurel]

in general I think some weapons are very good at punishing typhon since he just... doesn't move 🤷 so anything with passive damage can make that fight feel easier
chronos is......... tricky. circe is generally considered the best aspect for high fear, and I think I'd agree with that?

[hearty timber]

Frenzy 2 + pain 3 + scars 3

[hearty timber]

Circe is really good so safe to put out damage

[grave gorge]

Circe is... the double cast staff?

[thin laurel]

I feel like my perspective is kinda warped tho
I've done UW 62 a few times now but haven't done surface above 40 fear, so for me chronos is a lot harder since so many other things are going on 💀 wheras rivals typhon is comparatively chill.
but from what I've heard, the bigger roadblocks for 62 fear surface are prometheus and like..... olympus + thessaly room clear in general

[thin laurel]

yup! storm ring circe has absolutely absurd single target damage, just 2x cast damage, melts bosses crazy fast

also my second 62 fear clear weapon #h2-victory-boasting message
so yeah, highly recommend

[feral lintel]

when people use shiva do they actually use the gimmick or

[thin laurel]

depends on the level of fear
0-40? yeah for sure
62? maybe, I'd guess only for part of the run
67? nope.

[feral lintel]

what do they do otherwise

[thin laurel]

heavy magick usage and slow channeling just get harder to justify at high fear
but charon and moros still use full omega builds at 62, so I'd assume Shiva can too

[thin laurel]

oh, you just play it like Mel coat basically
spam basic attacks and specials, the base damage is actually pretty high so it's kinda like "mel coat but it works with % boons too"

[feral lintel]

I see, thank you

[thin laurel]

not to just keep linking my own runs lol, but I did a no Ω shiva recently, it was pretty fun tbh: #h2-victory-boasting message

[hearty timber]

If you are running coat at high fear nyx is good

[thin laurel]

yesss I highly recommend nyx for high fear coat runs, if you're interested
I'd say nyx > mel coat >>> shiva and selene for high fear

[hearty timber]

Yesss

[thin laurel]

not super sure which is better between shiva and selene *for high fear, haven't looked into it enough 🤷
(in general I'd say shiva, it's just so much raw damage)

[grave gorge]

Big fan of whichever coat aspect it is that just casts Moonfire over and over, that one's fun

[crude dragon]

Selene

[grave gorge]

Selene

[thin laurel]

that's probably Selene? the hex-focused silver one?
it's very fun, sadly the weakest coat overall rn but it's still fun

and no aspect is so bad that you can't make it work tbh, some just have gimmicks which are less suited to specific types of challenge (i.e. high fear, speed)

[hearty timber]

Yes exactly

[crude dragon]

Thought it was still better than Mel, but pigeonholed because it needs Ares to get slotted into the build

[thin laurel]

Mel is pretty solid, especially after splash ICD got reduced again
the move speed buff is also genuinely helpful for high fear stuff

[grave gorge]

Does it? As a Certified Ares Hater, I haven't found a spot for him in a Selene run, but I'm sure I'm missing something

[thin laurel]

for low fear maaaybe Selene would come out on top? but not for speeds, and not for 62+, too slow to get online

[crude dragon]

Sky Fall's Godsent is from Ares

[little mason]

There was anothwr balance patch?

[grave gorge]

OH NEVER MIND I REMEMBER

[thin laurel]

have you unlocked an upgrade to the hex system? 👀 aka godsent hexes

[hearty timber]

Bro taking the coat into 62 is itself scary af

[grave gorge]

Yeah, I just brain farted lolol

[thin laurel]

the change to splash ICD was just for 1.0 I think...?
unseen update nerfed pan in 5 million ways 🙃 one of which was increasing the ICD for splash by a lot, which also hurt mel coat exhaust riser. then iirc in 1.0 that ICD got reduced at least partially

also scorch got buffed a ton in unseen, and scorch is good on mel coat too 🤷

I'm not a coat expert so I may be wrong on Selene, but ik Mel coat is in a surprisingly good place rn overall

[thin laurel]

also yeahhh agreed, I managed with Nyx but that was p much just special spam, since range is safer
special spam + autofire + shimmering rockets 🔥 goes very hard on nyx

[hearty timber]

Spam those specialssss

[thin laurel]

autofire also saved my fingers ngl
I never turn it on, but coldshade recced it and it feels SO good for special spam nyx

[hearty timber]

What's the play on mel coat, special spam only right?

I can see the move speed being so useful against cerb etc and in general

[thin laurel]

I'm not suuuper sure
you can play it like nyx coat and spam specials, but tbh you might still do the low fear exhaust riser thing...? let me check actually, 1 sec I can prob get a decent idea...

hmmm the crossroads database won't show me hammer upgrade usage if I filter to just 1 aspect... 1 sec, will take more effort lmao

looking at pbs on the speedcord for mel coat 62s it looks like most use dash strike and special both...? a lot of blitz special

hmm ok. going off of hammer upgrades for 62 fear runs on crossroads, it's a mix. some ppl seem to go all in on specials, some on attacks, some on both
shimmering rockets and exhaust riser are both p common

also from DTB:

Mel Coat isn’t flashy, but the benefits are useful. A permanent droplet means you don’t need Nitro Boost / Blinding Rush / Plasma / that one Charon speed item for Rival Cerberus / Chronos, and also it can deal some monstrous damage via Exhaust Rider, or Furious Rockets if you get the right hammers and boons
followed by a comment that it's not the best coat for high fear (which is Nyx)

so my impression is that it's very versatile, and can opt into dash strike, special spam, or both

[meager walrus]

vyt says shimmering is the best hammer on all coats in general

[thin laurel]

it's by far the most used for 62 according to crossroads too, just absurd room clear whether or not you're spamming specials only

[meager walrus]

well it was the most used 62 partially because there was a mel coat week recently

[red fox]

Sounds like they go by fate

[thin laurel]

oh I meant shimmering rockets! not mel coat. i.e.:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1441339507356995766/Screenshot_2025-11-21_at_12.08.29_AM.png?ex=69216f85&is=69201e05&hm=f0426745db8c66ea529501ed07d3955ba829e91d01d07af443041a0c8760f001&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=976&height=1694
~26% of all runs using shimmering rockets is notable

[red fox]

Tbf i take that almost everytime too

[thin laurel]

it's just crossroads so it's not 100% accurate, just a little slice of submissions, but still

bigger lead than any other *weapon type's most picked hammer has over the second most picked, too

[meager walrus]

keep in mind that not everyone submits to crossroads

but also that the best coat player says shimmering is the best hammer

[thin laurel]

yeah I mean, as I said it's just crossroads so it's not 100% accurate
but it's still interesting

[red fox]

As long as i have boon on special shimmering always perform

[thin laurel]

I wonder how it performs for speeds, without hordes/wards to consider
probably still fantastic for fast room clear, but shimmering is just insane for wards and big crowds imo

[meager walrus]

for any fear its mostly poseidon exhaust riser

very fast but you really need to hit early or else things fall off quickly

vyt has a sub-12 clear with shimmering rockets on 62 fear

[thin laurel]

ooooh... nyx or mel?

[meager walrus]

mel

[slim pike]

Sworn flourish with shimmering rockets is so ridiculous

[meager walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217110523091357747/1439974925183221922/melcoat62sub12.jpg?ex=692115e7&is=691fc467&hm=a5ff2d4f83d0b148f838873493fe1abfd6f69eaef4354abfcbb604d256e73c2e&=&format=webp&width=2063&height=1160

[thin laurel]

for sirens specifically it's also just... very fun lmao
my hera special attempt on nyx didn't go well for chronos, but it tore through sirens absurdly fast

[slim pike]

Heaven flourish is good too

[meager walrus]

also that damage taken chart is absurd for 62 fear

[slim pike]

You might even call it... Silly

[meager walrus]

thats not me btw
i suck

[slim pike]

You can still call it that, we'll let you

[meager walrus]

true

[thin laurel]

every silly/crazy good run is actually yours
by right of name
legally

[hearty timber]

Awesome, thanks fir checking

[hardy stone]

I only just discovered yesterday that you can unseal alternate exits in Oceanus. About 175-180 nights in.

Yes, you are right to laugh. I’m laughing too.

Now I’m on a grinding run and trying to see if I can get Sea Star percentage up to 100.

I’m on 90% Sea Star percentage (Heroic 11), and Echo is offering Pom Pom Pom. Of course I pick that… and I get the levels, but percentage stops at 100. BOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sleek oar]

Whats the anubis meta

[buoyant matrix]

blitz or scorch attack
poseidon even

[thin laurel]

for high fear and general use:
on-hit effects on attack. scorch, blitz, splash, static shock always good
for speeds it's Ωspec spam afaik, with % on special

[sleek oar]

Thanku 🫡

[brisk island]

Is there a list of people who gives the waking phrases? I grew tired of guessing for them to turn out not being the right people :p

[neon barn]

Think about which characters weapons you own

[hardy stone]

Can Icarus apply Latest Model to a boon from Experimental Hammer, or permanent hammers only?

[thin laurel]

there's a pattern if you want to try to work it out based on who's already done it, but if you want the answer:
||the character whose name matches the second listed aspect for that weapon||

[hardy stone]

Picked it anyway, and it went to the permanent. So all’s well etc.

[brisk island]

Ay thanks v:

[south lava]

Hey

[scenic gust]

thing i missed the most with Hades 1. Crystal - Crystal Clarity. I want to beam the heck out of Typhon by the power of infinite thousand beam without Apollo Hex

[south lava]

Im painting/drawing zagreus as a baller on my door basketball hoop thing

[buoyant matrix]

the folks in #fan-works would probably enjoy seeing your progress

[south lava]

Ill send it :))

[long silo]

Bout to do this work day and then immediately work on 40 fear grandpa later 💪🏻

[keen jasper]

Thank you echo for offering me poseidon froth, poseidon ares duo and apollo ares duo when I have none of those 3 gods

[inland turret]

When I have none of those 3 gods..none of those 3 gods..those 3 gods..gods..

[buoyant matrix]

ah yes, boon boon boon, haven't seen that in ages

oath salute disables it 💯

[keen jasper]

Actually I lucked into an ares cast in the next shop while having winner's circle so it's okay actually

[hearty timber]

That's so good

[verbal hinge]

YOOOOO RIVALS PROMETHEUS IS AMAZING

is the fear contract filled when i ollect the nightmare, or successfully finish the run?

[hearty timber]

You get the fear on defeating the guardian marked in the testament

[verbal hinge]

i think salute seed will only unlock when i clear the fear contract entirely

[tranquil wren]

I got it before completing all testaments

[verbal hinge]

oh ok it's dialogue based then cool

[hearty timber]

Only god knows all the requirements

[tranquil wren]

I think you need some other requirements for it though, including completing the epilogue

[verbal hinge]

is epilogue done once ||i can reminisce||?

[tranquil wren]

no that's unrelated, the epilogue is done once you find the ||fates||

note that if you do reminisce, you'll have to complete the epilogue again to unlock the seed rerolls

[verbal hinge]

ah i did that too cool

so just dialogue left then

[buoyant matrix]

finish the epilogue, get two of skelly's statues and do a bunch of specific incantations

[tranquil wren]

I thought the 2nd statue was for ggg

[verbal hinge]

statues??
isn't that 34 heat?

[tranquil wren]

16 heat uw, 12 heat surface

[buoyant matrix]

gift gift gift is unlocked by advancing echo's affinity

[verbal hinge]

oh i thought they were for 16 and 34

[tranquil wren]

lmao
I mean greatest gift of gaia

[tranquil wren]

the third statue is 32 fear uw, 24 fear surface. but you don't need that (probably)

[verbal hinge]

i lost all my dd to poly so i went athena keepsake and then went dash instead of stand

now i just killed tail but i'm still on just the one life
i don't think surface replenishes defiances?

[tranquil wren]

you can buy DDs at the shop

[verbal hinge]

still might have been the right call tho maybe i can just.. not get hit

[tranquil wren]

either the endshop or even the hermes shrines

[verbal hinge]

will it always offer if you're out of them?

[tranquil wren]

I think it's pretty much guaranteed? idk though

[verbal hinge]

welp hope i have gold tho

[buoyant matrix]

no that's just spending (i think) 30 animal treats and getting one of every of reagent and 24 different fish plus gathering a ton of each resource type

[tranquil wren]

ah okay

[buoyant matrix]

it is not

[tranquil wren]

good luck

[raw topaz]

When is game coming on console

[verbal hinge]

aw no defiance in end shop

[tranquil wren]

sad times

[verbal hinge]

but 300 hp should be ok

wispy wiles or common sweet surrender?

[buoyant matrix]

1 hp is enough 💪

[tranquil wren]

how many air do you have

[floral quest]

Hello

[verbal hinge]

i usually never go dodge chance on anything

8 air tho

[tranquil wren]

I'd take wispy

[buoyant matrix]

yeah 8 air is great with wispy

[floral quest]

I can not beat Olympus for the life of me without the axe.
I did beat Chronos with all weapons already...

[verbal hinge]

if anything can do it nyx can do it

[tranquil wren]

nyx and moros have to be the easiest yet strongest to use weapons

[floral quest]

Any tips except git gud?
I want to beat it with all 6 weapons.

[tranquil wren]

I've seen this guide be posted a lot, it's pretty cool
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[floral quest]

I also really like selene on Xinth.

[verbal hinge]

boom

[verbal hinge]

heh someone said it's like the weakest aspect out of all weapons

[floral quest]

That's funny :D

[hearty timber]

Mel axe smiling

[floral quest]

what am I doing wrong

[floral quest]

The only thing I beat olympus with???

[floral quest]

It works pretty well, and has a nice synergy with the weapon.
Yeah maybe not the strongest given it does not give any bonus and locks in a hex.
But you can instead take a boon / upgrade the hex further. for me it works.

[buoyant matrix]

https://youtu.be/DVKIi4hg5E4?si=JnUu2pGl29Zn3pAY
I WILL NOT TOLERATE MEL AXE HATE

[hearty timber]

Bruhhhhhhhh

[floral quest]

yeah it is strong as hell, big hitbox ect.

[grave oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-zagreus-poseidon-zeus-greek-mythology-gif-3564042360433268856

[hearty timber]

Crazy work although toula carrying hard in erebus lol

[buoyant matrix]

she's just there to stagger!

[tepid crystal]

Hi there, kinda new to this discord, I've got some questions concerning a headache in narcissus quest, what is the correct room to discuss about that ? ty

[pallid cradle]

Here? I guess here works

[buoyant matrix]

ask here

[tepid crystal]

Ok thanks, I'm kinda stuck into my last steam achievement (Voice and Vanity), I've got narcissus to go check on echo once, then on the next run he called me a liar (he has his muddy water), and melinoe mentionned something about the cauldron and a recipe (happened few days ago). But its now like the 10x time i've got to check on narcissus and he's only saying one line before giving me a boon, i've tried to go check echo skipping him, seeing both on the same night, etc, i'm stuck lol (tldr : narcissus recipe does not show up in the cauldron)

[tranquil wren]

huh that seems like a bug, you should've got the recipe after him calling you a liar

[lament veldt]

I cant even get the voice and vanity quest line to start, and the echo keepsake is the last one i need, do i just keep pestering narcissis and echo to get that to start

[tranquil wren]

don't run off immediately after talking to echo. her gift prompt only shows after you talk to her

[buoyant matrix]

echo can only be gifted AFTER talking to her

[lament veldt]

ahhhh i have not stuck around in any room lol

[pallid cradle]

Yea... I went a while without realizing that one. It's really stupid because she's the only NPC where that's the case.

[tranquil wren]

it's because of her echo gimmick
mel always greets echo when she walks up to her, and so echo always says it back. but if you gifted echo first, then her greeting echo won't make sense

[tepid crystal]

yea, and nothing in forget-me nots still, i dont know how to force it 🙁

[pallid cradle]

The way Echo's bond ends I'm not a fan of either

[tranquil wren]

you could try asking in #h2-tech-support

[lament veldt]

ive been getting so frustrated because i think the echo keepsake is the last thing i need for the rest of the achievements. I need to slow down doing things in this game, it took me a while to get the epilogue to happen because i didnt properly read the prophecy

[pallid cradle]

Doesn't help that final requirement to get the epilogue might be one of the dumbest objectives I've ever done in a video game

And I've played entirely too many video games.

[lament veldt]

at least echo's keepsake may increase how many demeter, ares, and apollo cast boons i can get in a run 🙂

[pallid cradle]

Granted Hades 2 is probably one of the easier "Perfect" games on my steam list. (Their version of Platinum trophies if anyone doesn't know the name steam gives them)

[tranquil wren]

I thought it was pretty cool

I think echo's bond is a bit underwhelming too though

[pallid cradle]

The way it ends is kinda like "wait... She can??? Why is there not more tied to this???"

[pallid cradle]

Actually after checking, turnip boy commits tax evasion is the easiest. I did that in like 3 hours on a Saturday.

That's right IRS come at me, I committed tax evasion in 3 hours on a Saturday and I'd do it again.

[lament veldt]

we went back took less than an hour to 100%

did the ending of hades 2 get some tweaks? i thought i saw some messages earlier saying that but i dont remember. I did it right after full release and it seemed abrupt

[nova oar]

Yes it's been reworked

[pallid cradle]

Yes the original was so bad they patched it

[lament veldt]

oh word ill tell my friends that dropped the game after they saw it

[merry wave]

I am genuinely enjoying seeing Chronos get increasingly pissed off as I voluntarily beat him over and over instead of going for the Entropy

[tender oracle]

god

[lament veldt]

you are the boulder that chronos must roll up the hill each night

[wooden dirge]

With the fates whim keepsakes, if I switch from the jewelled Pom to the calling card will I lose the hades blessing I have?

[pallid cradle]

No. I believe you only lose it if you equip a god keepsake?

[tepid crystal]

is there a way to check all dialogues per character ? like from the first time we talk to them to the last time ?

[polar abyss]

||You only lose the blessing if you equip a keepsake in the second row, excluding Fig Leaf||

[floral quest]

Time is such a funny Vow, 9 minutes? that is a walk in the park...

[buoyant matrix]

7 minutes is also free

[floral quest]

My worst clearn of the underworld is with Lim and oros in 31 min, so nah 7 minutes is not free :D But doable.

I did cheese my few skulls with Time and Hordes

[buoyant matrix]

if you used hordes you didn't cheese anything 😭

[floral quest]

Yes? It does not make it harder

Also, I am not sure but more enimies = more gold?

right?

[tranquil wren]

more enemies does not mean more gold

[floral quest]

yeah just googled

u r right, however, I do think hordes is the easiest Vow

[tranquil wren]

hordes is fine but each fear increase makes it worse

[floral quest]

even on max it is ok.
more damage? More health? that is scary! just another guy? whatever.

[tranquil wren]

then you start turning on frenzy and it gets a lot worse

[floral quest]

oh yeah that would be a bad combo I think :D

but hordes + time is my go to easy mix.

[buoyant matrix]

ok now THIS is just objectively wrong

[floral quest]

Not to me :D

[fallen viper]

Facts dont apply to levgu

[buoyant matrix]

what's the highest fear you've won

[floral quest]

Not high, I said I did cheese my few skulls with Time and Hordes

[fallen viper]

How is 32 fear compared to 32 heat in h1?

[tranquil wren]

a lot easier

[fallen viper]

Good. Lemme finish the game first before attempting lol

[floral quest]

So 4? :D
But I keep failing at Olympus, I have trouble clearing with anything but the axe, and you might think I am trolling but maybe I am just building stupidly? :D

[buoyant matrix]

no, you're running max hordes
it turns olympus into hell

[fallen viper]

I dunno levgu, im using umbral flames bc i prefer range weapons

Olympus has a lot of enemies, lot of armor. Hordes makes this 500% harder

[floral quest]

Funny you would say that I just did my first clear with any none Axe with them :D But I did turn hordes off for it.

[floral quest]

Yeah maybe the reason I did not clear it yet with 4 weapons...

Also a spoiler heavy question
||How does the story progress after killing typhon after the spell with the spear done? can I still keep going up and down and continue playing like nothing happend?||

[balmy iris]

nearly won with anubis on the surface, rivals eris makes it a lot easier to get shades

[balmy iris]

you need to do underworld again to finish the main story

[floral quest]

aye alright, but then back to normal?

[balmy iris]

technically yes

[floral quest]

Good then :D

[hollow acorn]

my name is hecate and this is my six pack

[floral quest]

return to shadow, you are drunk

[static cloak]

Man, the romance options. Like...yeah, amirite?

[mint sleet]

Hi, does anyone know why Circe isn't appearing for me? I want to do Odysseus's quest and the one about the pet appearances, but Circe never shows up. I don't know if there's any way to increase her chances of appearing.

[devout cairn]

luck

[mint sleet]

bruh fkjdfnj

[buoyant matrix]

don't use oath salute and at some point npc pity should make her guaranteed I think

[devout atlas]

omfg i finally killed chronos with the jetpack

im so bad with the weapon so this is a big sigh of relief

[jolly hound]

Hell yeah. Next time you run it, try Poseidon attack and watch it massively exceed your expectations

[merry wave]

On the topic of Fig Leaf, when do y'all use it?

[polar abyss]

Oceanus / Thessaly

It’s less useful in the non-Region 2 areas, because you either don’t get the full effect (Regions 3 and 4), or there’s better keepsakes to use (for Region 1; e.g. God Keepsakes, ||JPom||)

[crude dragon]

I mean, you are kinda trolling by taking Hordes as your first Vow

[crude dragon]

There isn't, suffer

[floral quest]

ehhh I disagree. But whatevs.

[crude dragon]

Your choice to spawn 60% more automatons, I guess

[floral quest]

Yes but they do not hit harder, just more to do and dodge.

[devout cairn]

famously a combination that new players dont struggle with

[floral quest]

ha ha ha

[sleek oar]

Lol timepiece keepsake kinda made the gold pouch completely obsecure

[floral quest]

I did play hades one but also only on low heat...

[craggy totem]

Obsolete?

[tidal cliff]

Why don’t speedrunners take hades? Is it not just a free boon

[craggy totem]

Takes time to walk to the other door, I guess, and it doesn't skip a room like the other NPC encounters do so it doesn't actively save time either

I wonder if they would take it if they simply happened to end the encounter next to the Hades door

[foggy sable]

I just got the finisher thing with demeter and its pretty cool

||she gives a one liner when you take out a boss with it too||

[buoyant matrix]

it increases biome depth, which means more enemies will spawn in the future rooms

the only time you'd ever want to take it is if it's after the final combat encounter, which can rarely happen

[craggy totem]

I get that that it's a matter of playing the probabilities, like almost everything else in a roguelite is, but damn if I haven't had absolutely exhausting and terrible first rooms in Tartarus followed by relatively breezy ones later on in the region.

SMH, outliers! Why must you outlie in such an outright annoying manner.

[foggy sable]

MOROS CANT UNDERSTAND WHAT CHARON IS SAYING

[little mason]

I can

He says blah blah blah ur a dirty tramp to mel

[foggy sable]

insane

[buoyant matrix]

this is because armored enemies have ridiculously high weight and the first room can never spawn armored enemies so you have to fight a billion small fries

in fact the first room of tartarus is the most beneficial one to skip with fig leaf

[craggy totem]

I already loved it for psychological purposes (don't have to wonder whether a room is getting leafed or just spawning slowly, don't have to worry about getting scammed) but TIL there are non-psychological reasons too :P

I especially hate it when it's a big-ass room and you're playing hide-and-seek trying to figure out where the dudes are spawning

[buoyant matrix]

the ever malicious numbskull hiding on the other side of the room:

[craggy totem]

THE WORST!

[buoyant matrix]

wait lemme see what my first tart room was in the 5:07 run

first tart room got figged haha 😂

[foggy sable]

I feel like ive never seen someone be neutral about ||Apollo singing his heart out at the end of a surface run, ive heard both "shut up apollo, zeus is talking" and "shut up zeus, apollo is singing"||

but nothing in-between

[craggy totem]

I'm pretty neutral about it! I don't enjoy it much but it's Fine in the background.

It's probably just a squeaky wheel thing -- if you don't have strong feelings about something, you're less likely to be gabbing about it.

[foggy sable]

honestly it was one of my favorite moments in the game, hearing it after my first/second surface win felt so satisfying

[prime fern]

what is the combo/optimal attack cycle for morrigan. i feel like like mines kinda slow

[foggy sable]

(I say second because I lost 7 times in a row before getting my second win)

[foggy sable]

the one I've heard the most was omega attack, special, and attack

[fallen viper]

...is there any way to skip the credits?

[foggy sable]

the attack hits multiple times, and the special hits again on the way back, and then you just omega attack and get another triad off

altho I would like someone to verify that, as Im not the best at these things lol

[craggy totem]

No, and how dare

[buoyant matrix]

1. dash-attack oattack special
2. special dash-attack oattack

[fallen viper]

I really dont care... sorry

[buoyant matrix]

both of these devolve into each other, you just choose whether to start with dash attack or special depending on boss/situation

[prime fern]

so we are aiming to get 2 triads in each rotation ig?

[fallen viper]

Its not like i will remember any of the names. I just wanna enjoy the game a bit more before i have to go. And this is just waiting

[foggy sable]

thats what I would want to try to do lol

[buoyant matrix]

no not really, one is enough

[jolly hound]

that final slice or whatever hammer tho

[fallen viper]

Like, dont get me wrong, im fine with credits but at least make them skippable

[jolly hound]

Turn the game off and on again lol

[analog cave]

when in erebus i got a prompt to gift nemesis even after maxing her relationship, but unfortunately i missed it and started talking to her. i restarted my run to hopefully get it again but didn't encounter her again until the mourning fields where no such prompt appears, anyone know why that could be? never seen the prompt to gift her things when out in the field before

[foggy sable]

how do i get the ability to deepen Odysseus's bond? ik its a whole sidequest but Im well into the post-game and its driving me nuts

[analog cave]

have to keep speaking to him until he gives you a certain quest involving his knuckle bones

it will be on the fated list

[buoyant matrix]

try taking knuckle bones to scylla and circe and polyphemus

[fallen viper]

Was afraid the game would revert back to before the run

[buoyant matrix]

i think it actually will

[prime fern]

okay i’m trying to do the first one however the issue is
i dash attack
i’m in the middle of them while i’m charging omega and i just get hit. what’s the play here

[buoyant matrix]

do you have sorceress on? otherwise your positioning is bad

here's a clean morrigan run from boated if you wanna see how it's done
https://youtu.be/uCViSboATz0?si=nvf1hbbVg8xQTmcS

also you don't need to consistently proc triad on early enemies, they die quickly to base attacks

[prime fern]

i do

[prime fern]

i’m just trying to get into the flow of it since it’s my first morrigan run.

[buoyant matrix]

ah ok that's normal

[prime fern]

this is y i’m attempting the run lmaoo

[buoyant matrix]

i was bad at the aspect on my first few runs too

[prime fern]

seems like a aspect which gets better over practice.

usually i just go artemis for blade and i don’t need to think of this internal cycle in my head

[buoyant matrix]

in my 62 win with morrigan i whiffed the oattack multiple times because of the nerves 😂

[prime fern]

lmao i feel it

but goddamn this weapon is fun af. esp with hitch attack.

[hollow acorn]

knees weak arms heavy

theres vomit on zoropeth already

[grave gorge]

Aaaand one-shot it this afternoon

I'll post the build in boasting, but there's my 32-fear statue!

[neon hull]

||any advice on beating zagreus whenever you find those infernal contract things?||

[craggy totem]

1a. Don't do it if you don't have a build yet
1b. Remember that the fight can take a while, so if you have a magick-hungry aspect and no gain boon, you are making things very difficult for yourself
2. Kite, bait, stay at range, use your casts, keep mobile
3. Remember that ||he has a death defiance too||

[neon hull]

ok ty

[fair thorn]

has anyone here read the webtoon Lore Olympus?

it’s a romance comic about hades and persephone so it has a lot of the same gods as the hades games but they have v different designs haha. it was my first intro to art designs for a lot of the gods and i know it changes in each representation but man it took me a sec to warm up to some of the designs in hades 2 bc it was so off from the comic

specifically hera and hestia are v different from lore olympus to hades 2 and i was very fond of their depiction in the comic

[nocturne grove]

lot of the same gods as the hades games

how will there be different gods bro

[fair thorn]

there’s more gods in greek mythology that aren’t in the games? so i meant there’s overlap on the specific gods mentioned

[craggy totem]

Always interesting to see different takes for sure.

[floral quest]

Uhhhh

how long are the credits?

[craggy totem]

Maybe about five minutes? That's how long the song is.

[foggy sable]

If hades 2 had a 2 player mode what 2 aspects would work best with eachother?

[crude dragon]

Circe and Charon

[snow bough]

hades 2 is sooo damn cool

[craggy totem]

Lol, are you thinking the Charon player could explode the Circe player's casts?

[tender oracle]

if only

[foggy sable]

that was my first thought too, but there have to be some other potential synergies lol

[tender oracle]

ok imagine
p1 is mel and has access to the nocturnal arms
p2 is zag and has access to the infernal arms
what's the funniest combo

[craggy totem]

Coat and Rail, for max anachronism.

[foggy sable]

how does aspect of poseidon work with mel's casts, does it work like aspect of charon?

or does it just instantly expire

[meager walrus]

It affects bloodstones specifically

So i assume it wouldn't do anything

[tender oracle]

bringing eris rail against eris would be very funny

[foggy sable]

maybe aspect of charon could affect the aspect of arthur in some way

honestly specifically creating some synergies would be fun

[balmy iris]

does anyone know what the last use for lotus is

I thought it would be for narcissus's fountain but it's not

[craggy totem]

Everyone's playthrough is different, so it's impossible to say. However, note that cosmetics and songs may require specific materials.

[tender oracle]

chiron and pan
double homing barrage

[balmy iris]

I've unlocked all the weapons and there are no songs or decorations that need lotus I checked, also I've done every incantation that isn't unlocked through bonds

[foggy sable]

aspect of rama plus hera whatever

[balmy iris]

unless the wiki is wrong I don't know why i still need lotus

[craggy totem]

Wiki is often wrong

[foggy sable]

hit one thing and everything dies

[balmy iris]

who's rama

[foggy sable]

bow aspect with shared suffering

[craggy totem]

1. a hidden aspect from the first Hades game
2. a god from a different pantheon

[balmy iris]

bow? in my hades sequel?

[unkempt zodiac]

Some songs and decorations only appear after fulfilling other stuff btw

[foggy sable]

related to this idea

[balmy iris]

i know that one of gale's alterations is the last use for poppy flowers if all the hypnos stuff is done

geez, the hades wiki doesn't even have half the music maker songs

[midnight moss]

What Night are you? Do you have the Garden's Mass Plant and Mass Harvest?

[balmy iris]

as I said, I did all the incantations that aren't related to bonds or vow of rivals already

[midnight moss]

Huh. I think I can safely sell Poppy myself, so I'll check. Did you make at least 45 decorations + music?

[balmy iris]

I have not kept count

[foggy sable]

hades 2 but whatever final fight you do has infinite health and the goal is just to do as much damage to that boss as possible

[midnight moss]

How about the Kudos prophecy? If you did that, then you should have unlocked the ability to buy all Decoration possibilities.

[balmy iris]

no, I realized I still need to get decorations that you unlock by furthering bonds with people

[gaunt flower]

Do testaments remain constant? I had the impression they changed every night, but right now I have just one left, which is 20 fear to surface. Will the weapon or target change eventually? Or will it remain axe to surface 20 always?

[craggy totem]

Your testament progress per weapon is always constant. It sounds like axe is your last one.

[gaunt flower]

And the target remains the same? Or some night it will change to underworld?

[polar abyss]

The testaments are finite. So when you win the fight at 20 fear with each weapon, that’s it.

[polar abyss]

The target remains the same, yes

[craggy totem]

I believe it may change between savefiles, as I know other people mentioned they had all Chronos for their 20F testaments whereas you and I both got at least some Typhon 20F testaments, but within the same savefile, yeah.

[gaunt flower]

Yeah, I had at least 2 surface 20f, But most were underworld

[crude dragon]

Yes

[tranquil wren]

three casts with super nova would go crazy

[candid fractal]

https://i.imgur.com/oT1hhCn.png

Working on a duo boon helper. Just finished punching in Aphrodite.

[timid coyote]

Coronacht overrated

[sleek oar]

Nah the bow was fire

[glass jacinth]

New As Noted from Austin Wintory for F.o.A.M. (SPOILER - Surface 4th Region)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30XYZg7t3e0

[grave gorge]

Y'ever been given Apollo 7 times by the end of biome 2?

...on a Denial run?

'cause I have!

[craggy totem]

Oh no 😆

[devout cairn]

ares did that to me once and then denied me his legendary until the last shop

[sleek oar]

I have never seen y’ever as an abbreviation 😭

I like it i will steal it

[craggy totem]

Y'ever heard it in casual speech, though?

[sleek oar]

Not really, im not surrounded by native english speakers

[craggy totem]

Then today you have at least seen it :D

[grave gorge]

You're right, things COULD always be worse!

[sleek oar]

Yes i have !

[grave gorge]

Happy to have broadened your horizons!

[alpine sand]

can someone help explain how to get the ||fair fight|| achievement? i've searched online but there's no guides that i can find

here's the desc

||Earn 1,000 gold competing against Nemesis||

[meager walrus]

Just keep doing runs and it will happen eventually

[alpine sand]

thank you!

[meager walrus]

It accumulates over time so you kind of just have to keep playing

[icy halo]

You get 100 gold each time, right?

So, sounds like you have to do enough runs to have it happen 10 times 😄 As far as I'm aware there's no way to force Nem to spawn so just keep playing and be hopeful!

[floral quest]

Hey uhhh

I have "Return to a Real Possibility"
as far as I understood it was a patch that allows people to see the full story if they played before the patch

So... did I not play the true ending?

[craggy totem]

No, it's an incantation that lets you replay the main story. It does not care whether you played before the patch or not.

[broken creek]

You played the 1.0 ending which got reworked recently in 1.1

[craggy totem]

Even if you only downloaded the game two days ago, and you just happened to finish the entire game super fast, you would still be able to do that incantation.

[floral quest]

what is the difference :')

[broken creek]

A lot

[craggy totem]

#hades2-patch-notes message @floral quest

Again, you do NOT only get the incantation "if [you] played before the patch". Everybody gets the incantation when they finish the game completely.

[floral quest]

Fine, but how can I know which ending I played?

[craggy totem]

When did you finish the game? The patch notes I linked literally show the date of when they updated the ending.

[floral quest]

Death to chronos? Yesterday.

[craggy totem]

You played the new ending.

[floral quest]

I see thank you

anyways, I have no idea, how to wake hypnos.

[craggy totem]

Keep playing, game'll tell you how naturally! Welcome to the epilogue.

[broken creek]

If you want a more straight answer ||you have to gift him some nectar a few times then melinoe will unlock an incantation, after you use that incantation talk to medea and she'll give you more||

[floral quest]

||yes but it needs something from the house, how do I get that?||

[broken creek]

What's the material exactly i forget >->

[craggy totem]

Just play the game naturally, like I said. I promise you it will show up. You do not need a guide for this.

[floral quest]

||Soot||

[floral quest]

Okay, thanks :)

[broken creek]

Ohh yeah just play the game you'll get it in a bit

[balmy iris]

i decided to go back to my old file where I've done everything except the gc trials and i'm just gonna do fear runs on that since I really don't want to max out weapons all over again

[broken creek]

Grind 67f with me twin 😌

Struggle to get out of erebus 😌

[balmy iris]

my highest fear is 16 both UW and surface

[broken creek]

16 backwards is 61 you got that ez

[balmy iris]

I actually need to get more kudos so all my pets can be nightmarish

3/5 so far

[haughty walrus]

Some small QoL feedback: 1. It would be nice with a incantation or decoration upgrade (that you can toggle if you ever change your mind) that lets you respawn at either the stone table or in the middle of your weapons (whatever you seem most thematically fitting/cool). Late-late game there is little reason to cross trough the other parts of the crossroad. Since no incantation have a toggle, I suggest one could maybe walk up and interact with either of the location to change the respawn point. 2. When you have upgraded the multi-planting just let me press right click with one seed as well, I just wanna spam click without having to think at all about muscle memory. 3. A new setting that makes you auto open doors/crossing if you dash or walk into them without the need to press interact. 4. Another setting one can enable when not having auto-sprint enables, that makes your sprint linger for as long as it takes to recharge a dash, or about the time it takes to press release and press the dash button again (two option would be the best). 5. Let me open the codex when offered boons (could I not do this before? Did my game bug out?)

[floral quest]

ha ha ha ha, watching a video about fear and I realise I have a completely different playstyle than most people. I could not handle all that :D

[broken creek]

High fear is a different beast 😔

Having done 65f both routes and now grinding for 67f my god do I just have to fish for 2 things

[floral quest]

Why take wards instead of grit?

that does not seem reasonable to me.

[broken creek]

Because most weapons wards does absolutely nothing

[floral quest]

oh it is a one hit thing?

[broken creek]

And assuming you play with timer(which you should) grit makes a more noticeable impact on timer than wards

[floral quest]

fair

[meager walrus]

The speedcord has a bunch of people who have done 62/65 and even some 67

[broken creek]

Yeah like take mel staff for example, your combo is dash attack -> attack -> special -> repeat, and your best setup from the start is gigaros dash and twin moonshot, once you get either of those wards is a joke

[meager walrus]

I am still a 50 fear Andy

Won't be going to 62 until I finish 50 fear all aspects

[broken creek]

I really should join it atp

[floral quest]

My highest fear run is 4

and I am really bad at clearing topside with the staff or the jetpack... no escape... even without fear ;-;

[junior hollow]

whenever i alt tab off hades it pauses the whole game is there any way for it to not do that?

[tranquil wren]

in the settings there is an option to disable pause on lost focus

[junior hollow]

ahh found it thanks

[fickle drum]

So I played all day, managed to reach Tartarus a few times, reached Chronos a second time, and saw the second phase.

I uh, can't say I've got the axe figured out yet.

Like what's with the special?

[craggy totem]

Axe special is just a slightly faster, slightly farther forward lil zippedydoodah

[fickle drum]

I also don't really know how to develop it with boons.

Or how to really use it.

[craggy totem]

The main thing you want to keep in mind for p2 Chronos with the axe is that the attack sequence lunges you forward a bit, so like, don't do that if you have to stand in a small safe zone (unless you wanted get smited via your toes)

[fickle drum]

Oh no I haven't been able to get past Oceanus with the axe more than like once.

I do have it upgraded to have more power and health. Not maxed out though.

Am I right that I should try more multipliers rather than hit riders?

[foggy sable]

I just won a run with the big axe hammer and Im gonna be honest, this thing sucks

[modest dirge]

good idea to cycle between dash strikes and specials to prevent you from being vulnerable

[fickle drum]

But the special doesn't seem to do anything.

[storm glen]

its a utility

[devout cairn]

whats the big axe hammer

[storm glen]

its meant for applying effects / killing small enemies fast / cancelling your attack combo if u mess up

[craggy totem]

Using the special interrupts the attack sequence, which is faster since the third portion of the attack sequence is ultra slow and can lock you into an animation when you need to be dodging to safety or whatnot.

[storm glen]

with that axe aspect i recommend not using the 3rd hit of the combo

do dash attack - swipe 1 - swipe 2 - special

[craggy totem]

Does literally anybody enjoy Hell Splitter is the question I wanna know the answer to

[fickle drum]

Hell splitter?

[craggy totem]

There's a hammer that makes it so that ALL of your attacks turn into the ultra slow third attack

[fickle drum]

Oh I've seen it, not picked it yet tho.

[thin laurel]

in very very very niche scenarios? sure

[fickle drum]

I assume it's like the clunky hammer upgrade for the sword but even slower?

[storm glen]

me

[craggy totem]

You are fascinating creatures and I would like to study you under a microscope

[thin laurel]

i.e. thanatos with nimble limbs and some plasma? yeah why not
I also did a mel axe run with hell splitter and executioner's chop which was somehow faster than my dash strike attempt 💀

[storm glen]

yall r flat damage brainrotted

[thin laurel]

I mean have you done the chaos trial with thanatos + those two hammers + iirc heroic nimble limbs or something + apollo attack?
you 1-2 tap each phase of hecate lol, it's kinda silly

[fickle drum]

I assume there's a certain satisfaction in deleting a screen in a single hit.

[craggy totem]

Prolly not, it sounds dire and surely I would have remembered

[storm glen]

anyway i think hell splitter could magbe be viable as a 2nd hammer for than on high fear

[fickle drum]

Is fear like heat?

[craggy totem]

Yes

[thin laurel]

I think it's one of the lower difficulty ones so maybe try it as a fun run, it gives you a lot of resources so it's p chill

altho if I want the satisfaction of deleting the entire screen in one move I will simply play aspect of Charon 😌 and not bother with the other axes tyvm

[craggy totem]

Was gonna say lol

Though technically..... Charon is two moves innit 🤓

[storm glen]

technically charon is boring and lame 😼😼

[fickle drum]

This game doesn't seem to have resources you can get only once before having to raise difficulty.

[storm glen]

yea

[fickle drum]

Like titan blood and whatnot.

[thin laurel]

you think a lot of things are boring and lame 😌 to be fair

[thin laurel]

the equivalent of titan's blood works similarly, actually, altho it's not 1:1

[craggy totem]

Yeah, the equivalent in this game (Nightmare) can be obtained from other sources in addition to difficulty-raising sources. It's easier to try out all the different weapon aspects this way.

[fickle drum]

I mean like Hecate's drop is the same every time.

[craggy totem]

Yeah, the boss drops are used for something different

[thin laurel]

that's more because the base boss drops aren't ever nightmare
if you want to get nightmares from actual runs (without a late game incantation), you need to defeat a specific boss with a specific weapon at a specific level of fear (or higher), and the fear req goes up each time

[fickle drum]

What's nightmare even for?

[thin laurel]

so if you want to get the titan's-blood-like substance from bosses with a given weapon, then you need to increase your fear each time you successfully farm it
just unlike in hades 1 it's always a different boss, not the same one each time

[craggy totem]

Upgrading your weapon aspects. That's why I said it's equivalent of Titan's Blood

The Aspects of Melinoe don't need Nightmare, but the others do.

[thin laurel]

nightmare = titan's blood, mostly for weapon upgrades
altho not for aspect of Mel, that one just takes common resources
and you don't unlock aspects with nightmare (unlike titan's blood), it's just for upgrades

[fickle drum]

Oh I haven't seen a requirement for those yet.

[thin laurel]

that last bit is really really good imo, you get to buy and try out a weapon without spending a resource you could have used to upgrade a one you like more

[mighty jasper]

Did the game get harder after the full release or did I just get worse 🫤

[fickle drum]

I mean my skill at this game is rather inconsistent anyway.

Probably because I accidentally make very good choices sometimes without knowing why they are good.

[mighty jasper]

That’s so real

I’m not good at building boon combos

[fickle drum]

I was ok at the first game after some practice.

Beat EM4 only with Zagfists tho.

[thin laurel]

hades 2 also just has more total systems to learn (i.e. every weapon has more total moves, magick management, elements, etc)
once you do learn them imo there are more op builds total, though 👀

[fickle drum]

Like I'm not sure when to rely on omega attacks.

[mighty jasper]

I beat hades 2 for the first time using the phoenix combo

[thin laurel]

it kinda depends on the weapon you're playing tbh! some weapons ignore Ω moves almost entirely, others are constantly channeling 🤷
and some are in between, ofc

[fickle drum]

Like, with hex auto charging, spamming omegas isn't always necessary.

[mighty jasper]

What weapons are good right now? I liked all hades 1 weapons but I only really like the daggers for hades 2

[fickle drum]

I kinda like the flames.

[thin laurel]

do you have aspects unlocked? or are you talking base weapons

[fickle drum]

The skull is pretty cool.

[mighty jasper]

For hades 1 or 2

[thin laurel]

2

[mighty jasper]

I don’t have the new weapons

[thin laurel]

hmmm then at baseline... honestly none of them are bad, they just like different builds
staff is overall the most consistently strong weapon type if you include aspects and upgrades, but at baseline it's less impactful

[storm glen]

\all of them

[craggy totem]

All of them yeah, but also, /points to name unbiasedly

[thin laurel]

at this point I'd just say play whatever feels best to you, idt any aspect of Mel with zero upgrades is notably more op than all the others...?

[storm glen]

game is well balanced enough that ur wpn choice doesnt matter til 50f imo

[thin laurel]

like, for me I'd much rather play torches without upgrades/aspects than the other weapon types, but I just like torches, I like range

[storm glen]

& i actually think the bad high fear weapons make very short work of low fear

bc most of the bad high fear weapons are just slow to build not actually bad

[fickle drum]

So like what does the axe need to be really effective? Multipliers?

[mighty jasper]

I like th ranged weapons too but when I’m playing at school I don’t have a mouse so it’s impossible to aim

[thin laurel]

and every aspect has cleared 62 fear, so it' more abt finding what works for you and what you're confident using.
and/or like... once you do unlock aspects, if there's a weapon you struggle to like then maybe finding an aspect which makes it play differently

[storm glen]

get a % damage boon on attack and make sure you activated the huntress arcana

[fickle drum]

Huntress is what again?

[thin laurel]

% based boons on attack, yeah
dash strike spam is also nice if you dislike getting locked into the slow combo, but that's not vital, just makes it feel better if you don't like how slow it is

[storm glen]

when you have less than 100% magic your atk/special dela 50% more damage

[craggy totem]

Note for reading boon descriptions: singular "attack" or "special" means only your normal attack or special, whereas plural "attacks" or "specials" means your normal AND omega attack/special

[fickle drum]

Oh that one, I like it.

[thin laurel]

^^ and, to emphasize:
"your attack and special deal more damage" means NOT the Ω versions
"attacks and specials" plural would mean both versions
(lmao jinx)

[storm glen]

yeah remember to activate it in each chamber

[craggy totem]

The hivemind strikes (giving game advice)

[fickle drum]

The omega special for the axe is pretty cool.

[craggy totem]

It's handy as a ranged option 👍

[fickle drum]

Omega attack also kinda but it's situational.

[thin laurel]

if you like this move then you'll really like a specific aspect lol

[fickle drum]

Like if you can charge it and tear through a large group it can be good but it's risky.

I also haven't really gotten a handle on how to use hexes to compliment the build. Or how to avoid schizo builds that have everything on different buttons.

[craggy totem]

WDYM everything on different buttons

[thin laurel]

also btw, re: axe omega special
you can press the special button, then dash while holding it to safely reposition without cancelling the move

[craggy totem]

Cos like, for most aspects it's good to be using all of your moves to some extent

[fickle drum]

Like you have your boons spread out in a way that's not particularly synergistic

[craggy totem]

Ah, gotcha

[thin laurel]

also yeah, most aspects in hades 2 use multiple moves
everything wants to use cast because it's an amazing defensive tool even with no boon on it, most things want to use a combo of attacks and specials 🤷 etc

[fickle drum]

I think also one thing I don't have a handle on is the axe doesn't actually need to be in an enemy's face to hit it.

[meager walrus]

I am dreading finishing the axes on 50

I still have nergal and charon left and they both suck

[craggy totem]

Ohhhh

[meager walrus]

(I suck with them)

Mel axe was comfy and thanatos was okay though

[thin laurel]

also apollo boons on axe are funny lol
+AoE makes things feel pretty long range even when it's a melee weapon

[meager walrus]

But i imagine the other two axes are gonna be a Morrigan situation where I bash my head against a wall until the game gives me the greatest high roll

[storm glen]

imo in this game you dont need big synergies

[fickle drum]

I forgot what weapon I was using, I think it was skull. I had the Hestia cast and the duo with Aphrodite.

[storm glen]

you just need to know what gods fit into which general archetypes of play

[craggy totem]

Even some wacky-ass builds can work fine, yeah

[fickle drum]

I don't.

[storm glen]

i think your cast boon matters a lot in this game too because every god's cast solves a different problem

[craggy totem]

except for sword ring, sword ring doesn't solve any problems at all /only half joking

[storm glen]

sword rings pretty solid tbh

[thin laurel]

synergies are fun even if you don't need them lol
but afaik hades 1 was a lot more reliant on specific synergies, like merciful end or w/e
idk, I didn't really follow the h1 meta

[meager walrus]

Just take Zeus on every weapon dont gotta think about it

[storm glen]

in hades 1 it was harder to get real damage going because most of the boon list was trash

[fickle drum]

But like, don't you want like a main mode of attack and then build around that?

[meager walrus]

H1 weapons were more strongly bound to specific gods, in my opinion

[craggy totem]

You could say so, like for instance if I get Hestia early in my blades run and she offers me attack, I might want to angle for a scorch-heavy build and lean harder into attack spam than I might have otherwise, but like, it's pretty flexible overall?

[thin laurel]

in h2 there are a few things which get shunted into the "on hit flat damage" corner, but even then there are more total good options for that sort of boon. and some weapons which prefer on-hit effects can still do fine with other boons if needed

[meager walrus]

There were basically weapons that preferred Zeus start and weapons that preferred Artemis/Aphro start. Then the few niche weapons that preferred poseidon.

[fickle drum]

I mean something has to be causing this variance where sometimes I reach Chronos and sometimes I die to Erebus miniboss.

[craggy totem]

I'm ngl it's more likely to be just game knowledge/familiarity than the quality of your build

[thin laurel]

that sounds to me more like either game knowledge, not using cast/sprint enough early on to keep yourself safe, or just like... not having an offensive boon at all by the time you get to a miniboss? idk

[craggy totem]

RNG is a cruel god 😔

[thin laurel]

erebus is kind of fickle, more so at high fear but even at baseline you sometimes just get offered like... a bunch of defensive boons and then you're slow and weak at the start
if you have time to snowball, whether or not your build is synergistic it's generally still going to plow through things at low fear imo

[craggy totem]

I won't forget the times that gods show up in Erebus and refuse to offer me attack or special boons when I have nothing on them 😠 RNG!!!! I SHAKE MY FIST

[fickle drum]

Yeah I specced into rerolls because I got tired of having no attack boon in the fields of mourning lol.

[thin laurel]

rerolls are great lol, highly recommend at the point where you are in the game

[craggy totem]

oh I dunno it's pretty #methodacting to simply rawdog the RNG imho

[fickle drum]

I also just unlocked the ability to upgrade cards.

[craggy totem]

Oh yeah that's gonna help

[fickle drum]

Instantly went for the second defiance, lol

[thin laurel]

I'd also highly recommend Origination, if you aren't using it
extreeeemely good card

[craggy totem]

Damn, I was just about to preach the good word of Strength

[thin laurel]

and pretty easy to get online
I'd prob upgrade DDs/strength and persistence (max hp and magick) first to just... stay alive longer and have more time to learn enemy patterns and such
but origination is amazing

[fickle drum]

I think Strength is good if you don't use defiance?

[thin laurel]

yup! it's usually an either or situation
strength is also very very good with healing

[fickle drum]

Origination is what again?

[balmy iris]

The chaos card

[thin laurel]

up to +50% universal damage bonus (when fully upgraded) to enemies with two status curses from different olympians on them

almost always easy to do during a run, you don't generally need to go out of your way to get it online

[fickle drum]

Oh, that one, what's it called again? Something status?

[thin laurel]

privileged status I think? yes it's that

[balmy iris]

Unless you get Apollo, Poseidon, or Hephaestus attack/special

[craggy totem]

Aphrodite

Apollo, Poseidon and Hephaestus at least can upgrade their attack/special with t2 boons to gain status effects, but Aphro has nothin

[thin laurel]

aphro has the only gain in the game which applies a status curse tho

[fickle drum]

Aphrodite has the thing that just casts weak on everything just by standing there.

[craggy totem]

Yeah, but not attack/special

[fickle drum]

Gain?

[thin laurel]

magick regen

[balmy iris]

Isnt aphro a damage%

[fickle drum]

Oh, the fifth slot?

[balmy iris]

So it can be upgraded

[thin laurel]

the 5 core boon slots always visible on the left all end in the same word
attack = "strike"
special = "flourish"
cast = "ring"
sprint/dash = "rush"
regen = "gain"

[craggy totem]

As in, not able to "upgrade" her attack/special boons with something else to give them the ability to bestow a curse

Apollo has the daze %chance, Poseidon has Slippery Slope, and Heph has Furnace Glow

[thin laurel]

so ppl call magick regen boons gain boon often since it's the one case where it's shorter to say
like. I'm not going to say "you should get zeus Flourish~" I'll just say special or spec

[fickle drum]

I hadn't made the connection yet that the fifth slot is about regaining majikkck.

[craggy totem]

But Aphrodite has nothing to convert her attack/special into something that applies curse

[fickle drum]

But Aphrodite can just apply curse without it.

[craggy totem]

Yes. However, I was replying to a comment that specified "attack/special"

[balmy iris]

How do you not do Aphrodite cast when you use her for attack

[thin laurel]

yeah, glamour gain (her magick regen) isn't actually that good at generating magick, so it's p common to take it more for its ability to apply weak

[balmy iris]

The crowd control and weak effect is perfect for close range

[fickle drum]

There's also some sick duo boons involving weak.

[craggy totem]

It's just a good cast boon in general. I'm not... passing judgment on Aphrodite lol.

[thin laurel]

also actually
my hot(?) take is that Hephaestus is the single worst god for origination
he's the only god where literally not a single core boon applies a status curse, and even if you get Glow from his tier 2 boons you need a lot of levels and rarity on his blasts to get 100% uptime
aphro is by comparison pretty chill, 3 core boons which apply a curse + the only god in the game who can proc origination by herself (via her legendary)

[thin laurel]

yes, you are a rapture ring stan I know this as you should be

[fickle drum]

Also Aphrodite gimmick is being close range, so you'll be in range to apply weak all the time.

[thin laurel]

her duo boon with poseidon also makes all her boons treat every enemy as "close by" even if they aren't

so you get permanent room-wide weak lol
very very fun with her hestia duo so everyone is permanently taking scorch damage

[storm glen]

rapture ring is so much better with jpom

[balmy iris]

Everything is better with jpom

[storm glen]

the stupid linear pom scaling that starts with doubling its damage is hilarious

[thin laurel]

(for early game ppl in chat, jpom is a post-credits keepsake that's extremely op, and that's all I'll say abt it to avoid spoilers lol)

[balmy iris]

Except like maybe hera’s non-damaging boons

[thin laurel]

which ones specifically? ngl it goes VERY hard on hereditary bane for instance, and even born gain at high fear where priming out is a genuine concern

ig bridal glow since it has no pom levels at all...?

[fickle drum]

So how does scorch work? It deals up to 100 damage per tick and subtracts that from the number? So you have to continuously reapply it, or use some boon that makes it easier to maintain?

[balmy iris]

Uncommon (something)

[thin laurel]

uncommon grace also goes kinda hard with jpom, it's not amazing but it's just a juicy universal damage bonus
makes me more likely to take it on jpom runs than normal ones tbh

[balmy iris]

Yeah but how do you get uncommon grace to go off if you’re running hubris 2

[thin laurel]

proper upbringing ✨ (and jpom makes excellence more viable too)

[fickle drum]

By the way, I actually like the Charon well boon that gives a boost to a sacrifice boon, idk if that's weird.

[storm glen]

just take rare boons

[thin laurel]

1. when you apply scorch with an ability, x stacks of scorch get added to a "bank" capped at 999
2. every 1 second, up to 100 stacks of scorch are consumed and converted into damage; this benefits from universal damage bonuses, so it's 100 base damage but in practice a lot more than that
3. the boon "pyro technique" from hestia makes scorch tick faster, increasing the rate at which 100 stacks are consumed and multiplying your damage so long as you can apply enough scorch to keep up

pyro technique also goes hard af with that aphrodite boon since scorch never gets consumed at all lol
the demeter duo boon also changes how scorch works (you can "pop" all current stacks by freezing an enemy, dealing 2x damage)

a lot of weapons which are good at applying scorch can reach the cap and no longer benefit from applying more, without pyro technique speeding up how fast an enemy burns

[fickle drum]

I assume that if a boon says like some small percentage more damage, it's multiplicative?

[balmy iris]

Scorch is honestly the best status curse in the game, hestia special should be the new divine dash

[storm glen]

i like how cinerary circle plays a little muted vine boom

[thin laurel]

all % damage bonuses are additive with each other
so the formula is like...
(base damage + any bonuses to base power) x (sum of all damage% bonuses) x crit if you have crit chance

[storm glen]

everything damage related is additive except crit

movespeed is multiplicative though

[thin laurel]

with some exceptions tho, like zeus has a boon which makes you unable to do less than 50 damage per hit lol

but at baseline it's base power x sum of all % stuff x crit

[balmy iris]

Zeus offering infusion boon when you only have 4 air

[fickle drum]

So why are some of these numbers so much smaller than others?

[thin laurel]

such as...?

[balmy iris]

I pick it up and then forget to get another air boon

[thin laurel]

if you just mean how some attack boons give more % than others, that's fairly well balanced tbh
aphrodite gives the single highest % bonus, but only at close range, and applies no status curse
apollo gives the second highest, and similarly applies to status curse
gods who give a % bonus and apply a status curse all give a lower %, but make it easier to get that 50% bonus from Origination (and have other utility via the curse)
so someone like Demeter who can let you fully freeze enemies has a lower damage% bonus, since freeze is op

[fickle drum]

Doesn't Apollo have Daze?

[craggy totem]

Not on his attack/special boon

[thin laurel]

not on his attack and special, nope

[craggy totem]

Just like how Aphrodite doesn't have curse on her attack/special boon :P

[fickle drum]

Does it have to be?

[thin laurel]

his attack and special give damage% and make your AoE bigger
he has a seconadry boon which gives his attack a chance to apply daze, but it's not guaranteed

[balmy iris]

Apollo sprint turns you into Rainbow Dash

[thin laurel]

you don't need status curses to come from attack/special for them to be useful
but the fact that his attack and special don't offer a curse is why they get a higher %. they're raw damage boons with no utility, whereas boons which also have utility/some other bonus don't get crazy high %s

[balmy iris]

Apollo also has wider hit range

Pretty decent for axes

[fickle drum]

How nearby is nearby anyway?

[craggy totem]

You can test it with Glamour Gain

[thin laurel]

if glamour gain applies weak, then it counts as nearby
it's slightly bigger than the radius of your cast circle, if you want a comparison

[pine thunder]

I bought h2 but im still trying to fully beat the first, how similar is it just curious

[balmy iris]

Same but different

[storm glen]

similar but mnuch better

[pine thunder]

Okok thx

[fickle drum]

Ok, so it's pretty lenient.

[covert badge]

it shares the same skeleton but much more flesh

[balmy iris]

Think like ocarina of time and Majora’s mask

[thin laurel]

||and skelly is the same skeleton, but more beard. still no flesh tho||

[pine thunder]

i’ve only played majora but i get what you guys are saying

[fickle drum]

Maybe next time I try axe I'll just take Apollo keepsake

[balmy iris]

It’s weird because you want Apollo attack on Thanatos but Apollo special on Charon

I don’t know what’s best for Mel axe

[fickle drum]

I haven't fooled around on the surface much, so I only have Mel axe

I assume attack is better because special damage is nonexistent.

[balmy iris]

Aspect of Charon much different than Mel axe imo

[stiff burrow]

bell, droplet, antler, and wheel, my nemesis keepsakes

would rather take literally anything else, but prophecy is prophecy

[balmy iris]

Are you saying Antler is bad?

[craggy totem]

Droplet is good and doesn't even punish you 🤔

[crude dragon]

Special has its uses, though mostly for utility (it resets your attack combo)

[crude dragon]

Even Nemesis keepsake?

[stiff burrow]

was the first one i unlocked so it lucked out getting leveled first, can't see why anyone would use it other than cheese strats

[covert badge]

oh man mel axe is nothing without its base special

[crude dragon]

It's bad even for cheese strats

[stiff burrow]

exactly lol

[balmy iris]

Cheese strats? Where?

[crude dragon]

It'd be far better to use Antler or even Lion Fang in any scenario where you'd consider using Evil Eye

[craggy totem]

or COUGHCOUGHCOUGH droplet

[balmy iris]

How do you cheese multi-phase bosses

[crude dragon]

Once you get it to rank 3, Antler is 30% crit

[foggy sable]

I have officially done my 100th night :D

[crude dragon]

Wheel is also decent if you've got a mana-hungry build like torches

[balmy iris]

Why use wheel when you have dog

[crude dragon]

Speaking of mana hungry, Exceptional Talent on torches just gives +1 orbital, right?

[covert badge]

hubris and common lv 1 born gain exist

[crude dragon]

Because you could use both

[stiff burrow]

wheel when any mana regen boon exists

[covert badge]

exceptional only works with o.attack torches, no o.special
magick still +30 for both o.attack and o.special tho

[crude dragon]

Wheel is +max mana

[crude dragon]

Oh, that's some bull

[balmy iris]

Born gain is so confusing I don’t understand why it’s good

[fickle drum]

So with Heph, Hestia and Apollo, we have all of the main Olympians in this game?

[crude dragon]

Because it'll refill your entire bar with no extra input besides "spend"

[fickle drum]

Oh and Hera

[covert badge]

exceptional actually worked with pre-rework torches btw, 4 balls normally and 6 balls with hidden

[balmy iris]

Yes but flood gain does that too

[crude dragon]

Flood Gain has a cooldown, Born just works

[tranquil wren]

your effective magick bar with born gain is massive, the downside being that you can prime out

flood gain has a cooldown

[foggy sable]

chaos below seems interesting

[craggy totem]

Flood Gain can never prime you out 🙂

[fickle drum]

That's the one that auto refills your bar when you're out, but it makes the bar smaller each time?

[balmy iris]

I have primed out with rivals chronos and I just let myself die because I couldn’t do anything

[tranquil wren]

born gain, yeah

[craggy totem]

That's Born

[devout cairn]

i have some nasty words about flood gain but last time i made fun of it I was insulted

[crude dragon]

Yes, but you can get down to where you can only get one Omega's worth of mana

[craggy totem]

It doesn't matter

[covert badge]

yeah 20 prime per tick is tough, thats why wheel exists

[devout cairn]

how much does it prime at lvl 4

[craggy totem]

Depends on rarity

[devout cairn]

common i mean

[balmy iris]

Tough gain is just misunderstood because you’re supposed to have armor when you take damage to gain

[craggy totem]

I wanna say 16?

[storm glen]

thats. no.

[tranquil wren]

yeah but you still need to get hit
if you have lovers as well as snow queen or nitro boost it's just rough

[balmy iris]

I’m sorry I tried really hard to say something good about tough gain but actually it’s just bad

[tranquil wren]

lol

[storm glen]

tough gain was better as 10% DR

[crude dragon]

15, I believe

[crude dragon]

Tough Gain was better when it was pommable

[balmy iris]

I feel like Hephaestus tries his best to help but he is the god of the forge so its either armor or explosives

Hera/Heph duo is literally unusable

[craggy totem]

Get it with TG duh

[foggy sable]

the charon shop thing that boosts unbooned attacks has to be my favorite gimmick

like what do you mean I did 1k damage in one attack

[tender oracle]

that effect's a keepsake in hades 1!

[foggy sable]

oh I forgot about that lol

[storm glen]

its better in hades 2

[craggy totem]

I just got it (common lv4) and can confirm that my memory was correct, it's 16 (not 15)

[hearty timber]

Zamnbia

[finite slate]

I just found the worst thing, apparently Brave Face triggers on the damage ticks from the timer, and it doesn't even reduce that damage! Just killed my run by leaving me without any mana, it's just actively a debuff!

[craggy totem]

You need to have a gain boon if you take Brave Face lol

[finite slate]

Pretty sure in this instance it happened to be forced on me by vow of denial, but in general that interaction with the timer ticks is just not how it should work at all

Nothing else that says "When you take damage" triggers on it I think...

[proper seal]

|| How many times do I need to kill Chronos to get the ending? ||

[balmy iris]

8 or 9 depending if you count the final final time

[hearty timber]

Death to chronos

[proper seal]

Indeed

[oblique hemlock]

just beat rivals cerb for the first time

||cerberus 🤝 lernie
covering the arena in lava||

also i want to appreciate how chronos’ scythe is also his cane
great design i love it

[tender oracle]

not to mention chronos's hourglass figure

[ancient ridge]

||How do I get more Star Dust outside of Chaos Trials? I'm kind of struggling to choose which to prioritize with Stardust||

[tender oracle]

||broker sells them, though it's pretty expensive||

[thin laurel]

||you can also buy a lot of the stuff you use them to make directly tbh, I mainly just used mine on pet treats 🤷||

[ancient ridge]

||I'm guessing I need to progress the game more||

[tender oracle]

||maybe
he should add it to his stock after getting a few stardust||

[ancient ridge]

||Already did like over 5 and the test of haste is very hard||

[thin laurel]

btw none of this is 1.0 content so you can feel free to not spoiler mark it in this channel, only ending and post-credits stuff rly needs to be marked
but:
a lot of chaos trials become easier once you've upgraded the weapons/keepsakes involved more. what are you deciding between using stardust on rn?

[ancient ridge]

Already used majority on Arcana. Right now it's between Pet Food or

[thin laurel]

I'd prob prioritize pet food, since you can get one nectar a night and get it as room rewards, whereas pet food is harder to come by

[ancient ridge]

But friendship

[thin laurel]

if you want to prioritize nectar first then feel free! but idk, I have like..... over 100 nectar on my save and nothing to use it on, since eventually you run out of things to use it for at all and just keep getting it in runs

pet treats also become useless, but you don't get them anywhere near as often

[ancient ridge]

I suppose

[thin laurel]

do whatever feels more important to you in the moment
just imo 1 nectar per night from the broker + nectar you find during runs adds up a lot faster

[scarlet estuary]

70 hours in I still have no clue how to dodge typhon's head slam in the last phase

It's so stupidly obtuse

[nova oar]

You can dodge into him and iframe it