👶beginner-help

[opal lily]

I see I see! That makes sense, cause so far my account only has hi love elf+wep, sparkle, rita+wep, lantern and a bunch of the older valks such as hohe and aponia so I literally have no idea what team I could form with any of this, but I’ll just keep the account updated as the patches go on and get the valks that come out

For example though I really liked Planterfarer Vita but idk if she’s meta still, but I’ve seen some teams with her here and there so then idk if I should go for her and form those said teams in the future

But yeah the difference seems very minimal in comparison to the overall value, so far I love the combat, the graphics at the beginning are quite outdated but it’s expected for a game of its length, I haven’t gotten into part 2 yet because I want to finish the story In order, but I don’t regret spending money on the game, rita feels extremely smooth too I love her

[calm kernel]

if you are actually spending decent amounts its not bad idea to backpull some of the recent valks to more quickly build your roster

certainly better idea than ranking up any valk

[jaunty beacon]

is it worth to buy the level rush bundle for 880 credits and get Herrscher of HUman Ego

[quick birch]

Level rush is a pretty good deal, other than that monthly also has some pretty decent value, though spend wisely

[quick birch]

It's worth it for the crystals alone compared to other bundles hohe is really just a nice gift on top

[jaunty beacon]

also is it possible to get jade knight f2p from the training notes thing

[quick birch]

Yeah

[jaunty beacon]

880 creidts but the cheapest way is 15$ pack 💔

[calm kernel]

level rush is by far the best deal you will find in this game

if you are spending money at all that is the first thing you should buy

[jaunty beacon]

actually i could get it for 8 dollars

oll play more to see if i wanna spend money

[spiral badge]

be sure to check out the whaling guide in the pins if any of you haven't already

but yeah i encourage you to explore the game and understand what at least abyss is like before actually spending

it's an old game so there's alot of systems and shops and currencies to figure out. You wouldn't want to buy something preemptively only to realize you could get something in a different way or if it's not doing what you originally thought it would do

[cedar gale]

What items shuld i equip on HoHE in elysian realm

[kind hull]

ik its probably been asked a million times, but why does it say 'please complete flame-chaser's trial first' whenever i try and play shallow sequence?

by that do i have to beat all of ch1?

[calm kernel]

because you havent done flame-chasers trial yet

idr how deep exactly you need to play the story to unlock shallow/deep sequences

[kind hull]

why would it unlock before doing FC trial but then just tell me to do FC trial smh

[calm kernel]

who knows

[low kestrel]

it's possible to me get more?

(redlotus)

[shadow tendon]

is the income diff between nirv and rl like 2 pulls per patch 😭 its like 20 diff each round right, am i estimating that correctly?

[shell basin]

should be possible to get around 800 tho depends on your atk

[ancient needle]

Yes, but keep in mind that you could be getting into Myriad as well

Unlikely if you're a newer player ofc

[shadow tendon]

even with s0 aop ss?

[ancient needle]

That's Myriad T50 territory

Which is +120 crystals per cycle

[amber finch]

unless ur sea

[ancient needle]

Myriad T100 is +70 iirc

[amber finch]

what in the teripoint

[shadow tendon]

whats the difficulty diff between servers anyways

[ancient needle]

Obviously you need to put in the effort for that, so it depends on whether you enjoy the process of malding

[amber finch]

disturbance diff and how active + maldy the players of each servers are

[ancient needle]

The difference in difficulty is non-negligible

Hard to quantify obviously

[amber finch]

its mainly the players diff

i’d be t50+ ma consistently if i was in eu

[ancient needle]

There also is the fact that it's easier to get into Myriad in NA (less players), but it's harder to retain Nirv there (the players are sweatier on average)

[ancient needle]

Compared to EU

[shadow tendon]

t100 seems… doable maybe with s0 aop SS for me?

[amber finch]

oh yeah this is also a problem kek

[shadow tendon]

whats myraid exactly

[ancient needle]

Top 100 of the entire server

[amber finch]

t100 of the highest scoring players in each server

no matter the abyss rank, so technically if the server is dead enough, an ago1 player can t1 myriad

[lone crater]

845 on sea can't top 10 but is top 5 in eu, although the 845 in sea could be lot higher in eu cuz of d diff

[shadow tendon]

thats so weird to think about makes sense tho

[ancient needle]

But in practice you need to be in Nirv

[amber finch]

yeah

[spiral badge]

absolute values don't mean anything between servers strictly speaking so yeah

[shadow tendon]

ugh feel like i need a bis for a shot to retain tho

skill diff to hard too overcome otherwise

[ancient needle]

No BiS DPS is cooked no matter the skill in 99% of cases
No BiS supp depends on the cycle

[spiral badge]

I'm not sure what you mean by item.

If you mean stigmatas then it will depend on what you have. You don't need high gear to get max crystals from weekly ER so I don't recommend going out of your way to get better stuff.

If you mean active/passive ER equips and signet choices, the pinned guide should cover that.

[lone crater]

score itself yeah, but take in context of higher disturbance and the ranks/syns for the scores obtained, it does show which servers r more sweaty in general

[spiral badge]

best supports can also depend on account scalings relative to the specific content

[amber finch]

i hate paws and fdd weathers so much

my bad financial decisions are biting me in the ass

[ancient needle]

What's wrong with PAWS

Ah

[shadow tendon]

im still in myriad (for now) but im not gonna be able to retain nirv in my bracket

[amber finch]

they have syns and i dont lmfao

[spiral badge]

i never get to use thelema support who trades damage for speed on qua cycles because i'm always behind on damage for example

[spiral badge]

yeah that's very normal for NA

[ancient needle]

Outskill smh my head

[amber finch]

dies

[ancient needle]

You're (surprisingly) smart, you can do it

[amber finch]

[spiral badge]

loosely speaking yeah

[lone crater]

not even the most recent teri cycle?

[amber finch]

actually is the na nirv demote thing bc of the old fossils hard camping there

[spiral badge]

it's just there can be arguable fringe cases

[spiral badge]

i think that was a weird case for me. I had to use vita for damage but also sparkle for the execute? idr tbh

[ancient needle]

Not many players in general (cuz NA) + sweats tend to stick, ye

[lone crater]

well horb gave so much dmg, so everyone used horb thel

[amber finch]

ah

[shadow tendon]

i wonder how many brackets there are for NA nirv

[amber finch]

myriad monopoly is unreal

[spiral badge]

i'm seeing older nirv regulars fall into rl actually. Or at least 1 (and also myself lol)

[shadow tendon]

anyone have an estimate?

[ancient needle]

There is no data for that unfortunately

[spiral badge]

horb with syncs it seems? Horb felt pretty bad for me but idk

[calm kernel]

horbs syncs are bonkers for ws team

[amber finch]

yeah horb syns are insane

[ancient needle]

When does HoRb become better than other options

Syn2? Syn3?

[shadow tendon]

inb4 theres like 10, maybe 11

[lone crater]

indeed but no +3 dk is nice brick

[spiral badge]

keep in mind bracket size can also vary so counting bracklets alone may not be accurate

[amber finch]

its called tactical pulling smh

[shadow tendon]

wait didnt know this

[spiral badge]

there can be 18 player brackets rather than 20 and it results in 9th place being the lowest retain (+0) slot

[calm kernel]

i dont know but expect to see syn3 horb in every ws team for the foreseeable future

[ancient needle]

Nirv brackets have 19 peeps each usually, but there are 18-peep ones too

[shadow tendon]

ah ur right theres 19 in my bracket

nvm

[amber finch]

wait what’s cradle against the sea’s murmurs

is it horb’s finisher

[lucid maple]

how many crystals i need to get a unit and their stuff with this much built and uhm lets just say a skin?

[ancient needle]

This actually changes what spot you need to be in to retain

In 18-peep brackets T10 is demot

[amber finch]

you can just (46+47)*280

[shadow tendon]

haha guess ill stay in rl

[spiral badge]

idk if sweaty is the sole word i would use for this btw. Or at least I'm reading it as mald. If you meant mald and/or wallet then i would more agree.

I think there can be weird cases where at a certain dist, some kind of damage can fit Ideally. However at lower or higher dist, trying to optimize for it can lead to a rabbit hole of issues like CD issues or needing to change the strat entirely.

Obviously it's easier to make a lower dist fight actually finish when keeping the same strat for only a few point loss though.

[amber finch]

if you meant a pyramid skin then usually they are 9.6k

[ancient needle]

Gotta assume close to hard pity
Gacha skins are 9600

[lucid maple]

ooh right lol sorry

[ancient needle]

9600 is non-negotiable btw

82% chance that you'll spend exactly that

[amber finch]

yeah the rates are quite low so you’re just expected to go hard pity on the skin

[lucid maple]

all goods the skin is worth it

https://tenor.com/view/elysia-hi-love-elf-love-elf-hle-hi-love-elf-elysia-gif-16432807891629472291

[amber finch]

wait so enemies takes 60% tdm from reso with just horb dkey

and then its another 30% with syn3

[spiral badge]

uh i think it's only for specific attacks

but yeah there's pretty chunk horb personal damage there

[amber finch]

includes atks triggered by domain reso mark and reso atk

[spiral badge]

yeah

[amber finch]

this is what it said, is this just the normal rot

[spiral badge]

finisher + resonance (two separate big things)

[amber finch]

ah

still a really good chunk tho

wait i have a question now

“enemies take x% more tdm from chars on field”

is that tdt or tdm

[lucid maple]

13160 + 12880 = 26040 yikes can i get enough before next patch? lol plus the skin

[spiral badge]

tdt

[amber finch]

or are they kinda the same

[spiral badge]

taken is debuff

[amber finch]

i see

[amber finch]

the calcs are wrong btw

[calm kernel]

where does it say that

[amber finch]

oh wait i thought you included the price of the skin

sorry my bad my bad kek

[lucid maple]

in not adding it yet to cope lol

[amber finch]

in horb’s sync

not x% ofc i just used x as a placeholder

[calm kernel]

where tdm

[amber finch]

so its like 90% tdt with sync3 horb?

[amber finch]

isnt total dmg tdm

[spiral badge]

Sa might be a strong example of this btw, since damage control so you can end p1 with FDD or JDS can be important to prep for p2

[calm kernel]

thats just td

[amber finch]

what in the td

[spiral badge]

we usually say tdm or total damage multiplier for the buff, player side of things

[calm kernel]

well tdm is short for total damage multiplier anyway but basically equivalent with "total damage done"

[amber finch]

owh

[spiral badge]

tdt is total damage taken, as in the enemy is taking more total damage

it wouldn't make sense for us to benefit a debuff on our side (although this does exist with newton b)

[lone crater]

well yeah killing too quick and run into other issues is pretty common, but at the same time, a different rot prob should be fitted in the first place if that's the case.
and with rita weathers, its almost guaranteed that you can optimise the score really high to your d based on your own dmg.

[amber finch]

ah

[calm kernel]

its important that the horb dkey is tdt because songque is tdm

so you get nice big fat resonance damage

[amber finch]

[spiral badge]

i don't know anything about rita weathers so idk anything about that lol

all i really want to say is higher dist isn't a strictly true indication of skill or whatever. But loosely speaking I understand why it's more taken that way.

[amber finch]

anyways horb syncs are bonkers smh

[lone crater]

oh yeah never meant that d meant skill diff tho

[spiral badge]

skill, sweat, mald, money whatever you want to say really lol

[calm kernel]

disturbance is pretty much correlated to player spending rather than malding

[spiral badge]

i know what you mean overall but i'm just speaking up because someone doesn't seem too familiar so i want to lay down more foundational knowledge. That's all

[amber finch]

so if i stop spending, sea dist will plummet

[calm kernel]

..yes

[amber finch]

woah

oh also i need a fact check

[lucid maple]

uhm this is the only quest i can see for part 2 how close am i to finishing the story that has been release so far?

[amber finch]

is cny a bigger thing than cn anni

or are they same same

[calm kernel]

thats the latest chapter but it is quite likely that you accidentally skipped some

[spiral badge]

!faq cof

[small willow]

How to find "Covenant of Finality"

Sorry for the confusion, Captain!

Part 2 of the Main Story will unlock at level 30. Both "Covenant of Finality" and "Genealogical Seat" are part of this storyline.

Main Menu (Bridge) > Attack > Story > Extinguished Starlight and Rekindled Fire > Tides of Time gone by > Click the image to Play!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

follow these instructions to go to the beginning of p2

[calm kernel]

ofc

[lucid maple]

oooh thanks

[amber finch]

like mor rewards?

[lone crater]

i was just saying like in the sense that if you loosely treat d as a bottleneck for scores depending on their setup, and the fact that if there's large d gap, yet score to achieve something has quite large gap in the other direction, then that does say something about server being ded or alive at least

[calm kernel]

i mean you play the game yourself

[spiral badge]

yeah in the context of current dist measurements across servers today i do agree

[amber finch]

yeah but i never bothered checking

[calm kernel]

"cn anni" is that what we have the "summer patch" or wadever

[spiral badge]

along with other signs but anyway this is starting to get to doomposting territory lol

[amber finch]

anyways @lucid maple there should be no problemos with you saving up like 40k with your goal

(its less than 40k but i rounded it up)

and who knows, maybe you'll get lucky with your pulls

dont bank on that tho

[lucid maple]

im not lucky in any hoyo gacha lol

[spiral badge]

we don't expect you to be tbh

[amber finch]

yeah, this is just copege

[spiral badge]

recommendations are more centralized on consistency and worst case scenarios

there's no 50/50 in this game

[lucid maple]

hurtful but true

[spiral badge]

so variance on getting slightly lucky and early to hard pity is not that far

and you can plan around things more easily

[amber finch]

its always better to just save and assume for the worst instead of coping on the fact that you just might get the valk in the first ten

[spiral badge]

as long as you play regularly and get crystals from all sources, at worst you'll afford a new release every other patch, but in practice with average luck it'll be only a few patches once in a while that you'll need to skip

[amber finch]

if you got lucky then yay you got extra funds for the next pulling session

[lucid maple]

ooh last question how do i change the lobby background?

[calm kernel]

well if you have like 70 pulls you can throw a 10pull on the valk banner to see if you are lucky as long as you keep always 60 reserve to get the weapon in case you are lucky

[lucid maple]

or the other bg are like special stuff that i missed

[spiral badge]

basically stay above weapon pity when pulling valk, so if you do get valk early, you can guarantee weap

[amber finch]

if its p1 then you need to buy the bridges (they usually rerun them on big patches like anni and cny)

and they cost crystals

[spiral badge]

the worst thing you can do is prob to push for a valk but wind up without her weapon

[lucid maple]

oof nvm then lol

[amber finch]

if its p2 then you can just go to p2 story and pick a place you like for the bg

[lucid maple]

ahh i see thanks

[lone crater]

doompost good
but yeah i was just trying to tie back to what i said earlier about my score on sea vs what it can get placed on eu in that sense.

like u prob would expect scores on average lower, at leaderboard for servers with higher d, but when its not, then its a real ded cycle for that server lul

[amber finch]

its abit more demanding on the device since there are alot more moving stuffs so do have that in mind

[spiral badge]

in all seriousness please don't encourage doomposting here lol

but yeah when you put it at that sort of extreme across a whole playerbase, again i don't disagree lol

[amber finch]

grr i want that bita skin

so egg pen silks tho

[calm kernel]

but thats the thing, you wouldnt

[lone crater]

i guess that too,

[spiral badge]

it's just when it comes to dist and your own personal performance, the only influence the server has at that point is more indirect in what that dist value ends up. But once the dist is established, assuming you're playing the best you can, the actual difficulty becomes more relative.

[calm kernel]

the whole point of the disturbance system is to match the power level of players to keep scores somewhat standardized

so if ppl whale more on some server then the disturbance will go up instead of their scores going up

[lone crater]

yeah, so people with small d in general have higher score no

[spiral badge]

there's a limit to how much we can say about all this too because we don't truly know what affects dist. Or at least people claim there are discrepancies with the concept on paper to what's observed in reality

[lone crater]

is that not a different point on something else

[spiral badge]

loosely yes since enemies are weaker. strictly not necessarily if the fight ends up being more animation gated or some stupid technical devil's advocate argument lol

[calm kernel]

score discrepancies in myriad come more down to server population

[spiral badge]

it's a bit dangerous to generalize too much here in this channel really and the person who was asking initially doesn't seem to be around anymore

[calm kernel]

"top 100" is naturally more competitive if there are 10k players vs. 1k players

[lone crater]

yeah

i mean i did mention that no, with server being more alive or ded

[spiral badge]

i feel some observed discrepancies can be due to lack of sample sizes too. Or at least we already established earlier we cannot determine the full amount of brackets

tbh i'm surprised people haven't found some api to pull abyss info out of

[calm kernel]

yeah but it doesnt really tell you anything about the average players sweat level

[spiral badge]

other games tend to have similar tools to track things during ranking events

[lone crater]

i didn't really say anything about skill diff

[lone crater]

thats true

[spiral badge]

it was me who brought in sweat level as a contributing factor

but yeah i don't mean to make it a prime focus

i'm just trying to say there's multiple factors

sweat/mald/try hard/effort whatever you want to call it

[calm kernel]

i mean it has been observed through MA rankings that SEA has about same number of players as NA and EU combined

or at least that was the case year ago or so

so you could roughly argue that the #100 player on SEA should match the #50 players on EU/NA

[spiral badge]

MA is ultimately separately from abyss if i have to be strict about this. The one friend i mentioned earlier is pretty guilty of forgetting about abyss and focusing more on MA but that's more exceptional lol

but ofc when we're talking about a whole playerbase with no data to pull from, we can only approximate closely

[calm kernel]

well as long as they remember to press lite button they will count for MA

ofc people who leave it at 0/17 or are under lvl 81 wont be counted

[spiral badge]

crap i need to remind that said friend lmao

[calm kernel]

but i'd think most people would at least kill the boss even if they dont care about how fast they do it

[spiral badge]

yeah

[calm kernel]

and well, the % of people who don't should be about the same too

at least i dont see any reason why it wouldnt be

[spiral badge]

once in a blue moon i hear about people losing lite or locking the wrong valks because earlier difficulties don't give you a finalize choice at the end

well the idea is even if there's differences, it should be negligible with enough data

[lone crater]

i mean any assumptions about proportions but without any actual inference from other sources can be challenged no

to me it feels like they can be different if it just wants to be

[craggy flax]

Who is worth picking from the 2024 s rank selector and the 2025 s rank selector?

[spiral badge]

you may consider keeping the box for collectoin purposes first and foremost

[calm kernel]

they are all in war treasury so it doesnt really matter

[spiral badge]

none of these are useful meta wise

uh is silverwing there yet?

[calm kernel]

has been for a while

[craggy flax]

Oh Okok ig I’ll save them lol

[spiral badge]

oh i'm blind

[calm kernel]

well i say for a while.. was added last patch lol

i guess 10 weeks is a while

[spiral badge]

but anyway if you don't care about keeping it for collection purposes, note that at the very end you can get non valk stuff too

don't bother with AL x 200 (pretty sure picking an actual valk is better value but i can't check this atm)

if you're meta or just getting max stats for sentimental value then you may consider the reroll affix selector

[calm kernel]

sure i mean maybe NA players are just way better at staying on top of their weekly chores than EU/SEA players, who knows

but i would assume there isnt any significant difference

the more grim part was that usually towards the end of the patch the number of participants was less than half compared to 1st week

and that was when we had 6 week patches

[lyric anvil]

NA not slacc?

[spiral badge]

we're back on the line to doomposting lol

[lyric anvil]

[calm kernel]

not really, the counts always recovered back on new patch

[spiral badge]

yeah as long as you make that clear lol

[calm kernel]

just interesting how many players just login for new patch, play for a week or two and then quit until next patch

[spiral badge]

tbh i'm surprised to hear that because we always get a surge of players doing events last minute too

[mortal carbon]

the early birds and the forgot to do their homework'ers

[spiral badge]

so i expect the inactive zone to be more in the late middle

[calm kernel]

yea i mean you wont really see any change in myriad or t100 MA since those players usually stay active every day (need moar xtals..)

but the unknown masses definitely go through a cycle

[hardy lintel]

hi guys, how do i do combo attacks?

[spiral badge]

first of all make sure the valkyrie you're using actually has a combo attack

some valkyries have charged attacks instead which are similar but functionally different

[hardy lintel]

ok that my first problem, i got no idea who do

[spiral badge]

to find out, check the valkyrie menu > go to their skills > and it should be in the upper right section usually

you may see something like special attack: combo or something

some examples of valks with combo attack may include white comet (kiana) or reverist calico (pardofelis)

[hardy lintel]

Kiana?! that the least one I expected

[spiral badge]

the way to execute the combo attack can depend on the valkyrie but usually it involves holding attack. Possibly after some kind of condition

so for pardo's case she wants a full yellow or purple meter to cast her's

white comet needs to do it in the middle of her attack sequence at a specific point

[lone crater]

i mean maybe yeah

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/5FxiLT4.png

[hardy lintel]

thx 🙏😊

[spiral badge]

you can also check out valkyrie tutorials via attack > events tab > tactics class

[hardy lintel]

i went but didn't saw any

[spiral badge]

some valkyries may even have other attacks or methods that are considered combo attacks even if they don't involve holding attack (e.g. sparkle's enhanced weapon attack)

you don't see this menu? https://i.imgur.com/OJflIEt.png

[lyric anvil]

Think Thelema's can be activated also through WA too

[spiral badge]

anyway mainly check here for which valks qualify. Then see if their tutorials cover it.

if you have any specific questions about a particular valk feel free to ask too

[spiral badge]

i don't think this is the case? anything you can show me about this?

[hardy lintel]

thanks 🙏

[lyric anvil]

I could video

[hardy lintel]

i gtg now, have a nice day

[spiral badge]

be sure to check pins here for all sorts of other basic info too

[spiral badge]

you mean on some mission checking for combo attack and using weapon to qualify for it? sure i guess? otherwise i'm more looking for skill descriptions

[lyric anvil]

Ah
Well spamming WA fills the bar then pressing it once the bar is filled triggers it

[spiral badge]

so a combo attack is a very specific property of attacks

[lyric anvil]

Ah-

[spiral badge]

there actually specific stigmatas or missions or other effects, etc that checks if the attack is a combo attack or not

what you're talking about is completely unrelated

[lyric anvil]

Interesting

[lyric anvil]

Oops

[spiral badge]

certainly using a hold attack which is a combo attack can fill thelema's bar EDIT: https://i.imgur.com/Q9vqp2s.png

but she can also fill it in other ways not related to a combo attack

[lyric anvil]

I see

[spiral badge]

aside from the hold attack that changes her elevation, MoI is also considered combo attack https://i.imgur.com/41pIjjg.png

[lyric anvil]

Ah

[spiral badge]

for thelema specifically filling the bar is merely called gaining banquets. In more generic terms the game refers to these as KE or kinetic energy sometimes. Informally speaking i just call it meter for the special attack.

[lyric anvil]

I see

[spiral badge]

any further questions about this? I can definitely digress more about thelema if desired

[lyric anvil]

Nope

[opal lily]

so uhm i got mega lucky i used some of my free pulls on the returnee banner for songque

i got her weapon and the character

what is she good for

[spiral badge]

do you understand the astral ring system?

[opal lily]

more or less

( barely )

[spiral badge]

so you understand what to expect from her ring type and tags?

for a newer account, the biggest thing to appreciate of any new unit to your roster is what sort of roles they can cover that you don't have yet

if you feel shaky about this we can cover it anyway

[opal lily]

do you mean like the astral tag the purple thingy?

[spiral badge]

tags are the smaller icons to the right of it

[spiral badge]

ring types are the big purple button itself

[opal lily]

ohhhhi see them

[spiral badge]

ok well

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. The leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle. When the Astral Ring system is activated, the team will benefit from effects specific to Astral Ring. The team will also gain access to Stellar Outburst, which is a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

read this first

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
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[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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then read the bottom link

[opal lily]

oki oki

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loosely speaking

ring types are mainly for what kind of dps uses your valk can do

tags are mainly for what kind of support uses your valk can provide to other leaders/teams

[opal lily]

alrighties, thanks, makes sense

[spiral badge]

if there's anything specific in those descriptions that you don't understand feel free to ask, but otherwise i'll wait until you're ready to talk more in detail

although i'll prob point you to her tutorial ingame first so you have an idea of what her attacks are like and how they may be strummed together

[opal lily]

yeah i will most likely 100% have more questions later on LMAO, but the descriptions and pings make a lot of sense honestly

[opal lily]

sure that would be amazing!

[kind cliff]

Was ER recently changed or something? Why am I struggling to clear the 11th round for double rewards

Using 4/4 hle and following the astral ring guide

[spiral badge]

it changes every few weeks to suit the latest valk

i haven't checked the details to see how it has changed to not benefit hle as much but you can look around stage effects and load effects to see if you need to adjust anything

i don't expect the changes to be drastic enough to prevent you from getting max weekly crystals and HLE is still relatively recent

[sweet flax]

this sounds more like a signet issue by the way

what are you taking

[fervent furnace]

The buffs changed I believe, but it shouldn’t have much impact on your runs. It’s less fast, but still gets the job done

Weapon buff still applies to bow, so that’s not a problem

[echo quiver]

aigh ty

[outer cipher]

Hello I just started do you guys recommend the new character

Cause theres rita,senadina and songque are they worth pulling?

[shadow gyro]

if youre willing to reroll, then you can try for senadina, but only if you do that
if you wont reroll then dont use anyone than a 1 pull on the starter supply
otherwise for rita you can go for hey but make sure you get the scythe in the equipment supply as well

dont use crystals on the other supplies

[outer cipher]

Ohhh hmmm

Because I did just use only 20 pulls for the guaranteed 5 star but thats if

[shadow gyro]

on what supply

[outer cipher]

On im assuming the standard banner

Uhhhh let me see

Its called dorm supply

[shadow gyro]

you use its tickets or crystals?

[outer cipher]

Crystals

U can use tickets?

[shadow gyro]

thats a bad idea

yes it has its own tickets

[outer cipher]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[shadow gyro]

dorm is permanent and theres nothing useful in there

[outer cipher]

Ohhhh oops sorry

[shadow gyro]

honestly if u wanna recover from your first mistake its not a bad idea to make a new account because future you may want those 20 pulls
but if you want to continue anyways thats up to you
just dont act before asking
and only use crystals on battlesuit supply (new units only) or equipment supply if you get the unit

the rest either have their own tickets or arent worth going for

[outer cipher]

Ohhhhh okidoki who would be smart to get rita or senadina

Are they supports or somethin?

[shell basin]

Rita is better

But Sena can support Rita

So if you’re pulling Rita rerolling for Sena makes your Rita better

[shadow gyro]

both
but sena's only use right now is support

[shell basin]

Sena is one of the best Rita supports (but Rita is pretty much the only modern battlesuit that uses her)

[outer cipher]

Ohhh hmm

[shadow gyro]

and as i said shes not worth getting unless you want to reroll

[outer cipher]

Okidoki

[shadow gyro]

reroll gives you a better start at the cost of your time

[outer cipher]

So I should prioritize rita first

[shell basin]

If you’re not rerolling just don’t prioritize Sena at all

She’s worth getting if you could guarentee it at 5 pulls (hence rerolling) but not worth spending crystals chasing

[outer cipher]

How does rerolling work tho

Just grind and summon and repeat

[shadow gyro]

you do the story until you can leave the story and pull

[shell basin]

Rerolling is you make a new account crush through early game, summon, make new account if you don’t get it. It’s enormously crystal efficient but super annoying

[outer cipher]

Ohhhh

[shell basin]

I didn’t reroll, I was fine, but also I kind of regret not rerolling. Your mileage may vary

[outer cipher]

Bet thanks you sorry I tried checking a tier kist or something but its super hard finding one

[shadow gyro]

rerolling isnt necessary but if you do it you get more value

[shell basin]

That’s because they’re not viable

[shadow gyro]

no dont

tier lists dont work in this game

[shell basin]

Best battlesuit basically just means newest because of how competitive works in this game

[sweet flax]

[shell basin]

And thus it constantly changes

[outer cipher]

Ohhhh really(

[shell basin]

Yeah. Old battlesuits aren’t bad, they can stick around as useful for years

But the single best battlesuit to pull is almost always the newest one

[outer cipher]

Ohhhhh ic

[sweet flax]

To be more specific since this can be misleading in cases, abyss prioritises its bosses and weathers towards newer units
Old units still get relevancy but rarely compared to newer units

There is no one best battlesuit, and depending on your account even another unit can do just as well as the supposed BiS option

[shell basin]

^

[sweet flax]

Also hi stea hi qt

[shadow gyro]

hii

[shell basin]

Hello asu!

[outer cipher]

Ohhh bet thanks you so much

Can't wait to try the game hopefully the story is good

[shell basin]

For instance on some boss the best support might be FDD, because she has really strong buffs, but if your dps is strong enough you might run Badum instead because she’s faster

[outer cipher]

I love good stories

[shadow gyro]

yess hope u enjoy

[shell basin]

I got into Hi3 through story

[sweet flax]

Tbf you'd run fws and fdd as your 2 supports half the time

[shell basin]

I was thinking like symphony

[sweet flax]

Ah fair

[outer cipher]

Bet thanks you guys

[shell basin]

[warm parrot]

whats the best things to get for low spender?

[amber finch]

monthly, if you're a new player then getting the level rush bundle is a good idea too

[warm parrot]

also does anyone want to gie me their invite code

[amber finch]

also there is a pins on how to cost effectively whale btw

[amber finch]

eu right?

[warm parrot]

yes

[amber finch]

@lone kindle

[sweet flax]

wow not even pinging me

[amber finch]

@quick birch fight to the death go

[sweet flax]

crazy

fk u ches

[amber finch]

let me fuckig type

[lyric anvil]

3 way fight

[amber finch]

mf you were already lurking

[amber finch]

get in too why not

[warm parrot]

💀

[amber finch]

imma send mine for no reason

[sweet flax]

207682567CF

[lyric anvil]

I'm NA mf

[sweet flax]

yoink

:D

[warm parrot]

thx

[amber finch]

17031105VD

[amber finch]

close enough

ok ram heres my defense

[warm parrot]

what do u guys get

[amber finch]

i literally can not find your name

[warm parrot]

i think i just get shit rewards lol, but 60 free crystals

[amber finch]

you do missions (its literally just normal account progression stuffs) and we get 300 xtals

[warm parrot]

damn 300😔

[amber finch]

thats why players usually really want to give their invite code for someone to type in kek

its 1.5k xtals total a patch

[lyric anvil]

I'm full

[amber finch]

im too lazy to hunt

no newbies in sea too

[lone kindle]

Yeah that's not happening

Xx

[amber finch]

just hunt better noob

[warm parrot]

technically u can make dummy accnts and get it right

[amber finch]

actually next patch should have that invite emblem right

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

[amber finch]

yep, its just annoying

[lone kindle]

What to hunt, there's no new people that get to complete the missions

[amber finch]

[lyric anvil]

[warm parrot]

true, cant see myself doing it

[abstract sequoia]

eh I've had some

[amber finch]

sea is just so dried up newbie wise

[lone kindle]

I get more working irl and then whaling lmao

[lyric anvil]

Like I said I got my full 1500 crystals

[amber finch]

me too😭

better off doing stuffs irl for money then whale here instead of hunting for like 50 years for 1.5k (maybe)

[lone kindle]

Me too, but not a constant fire to say 1500 a patch

[amber finch]

it was consistent back in the 6.x to 7.x patches for me

the amount of newbies back then was soooo good

[warm parrot]

im downloaded cuz i saw the new ||mei||

[amber finch]

oop spoiler that

its not officially announced for us yet

[warm parrot]

when does she come💀

[amber finch]

when this patch ends

march 5

[warm parrot]

😈 save mode

[warm parrot]

the hell

thats long

[amber finch]

9 weeks yeah

[amber finch]

the average length of a patch is 9-10 weeks now

its good for players bc more time to save but my god they have almost no contents to make up for it

[warm parrot]

well good ig, i dont have to no life stuff

[warm parrot]

💀

[abstract sequoia]

not really the case as a new player

every new event gets archived through voyage log

[amber finch]

yeah i forgot to take in account you're a new player, you wont have a lack of content to do kek

[abstract sequoia]

so you can still play every past event from the point they implemented that feature

also lots of story to go through

[lyric anvil]

I have very little

[sweet flax]

cap I dont lurk beginner help

teehee

[lyric anvil]

[lucid jolt]

Hi, is there a way to replay the part 2 of the story without starting a new account?

[shadow gyro]

aside from chapter 4 no

[abstract sequoia]

unfortunately no, the only replayable content are boss fights

[shadow gyro]

but u can watch it on youtube

[abstract sequoia]

even chapter 4 isnt

[shadow gyro]

lemme check

yeah nevermind then...

[lucid jolt]

Thanks for the reply. Just as I feared. I skipped the first chapters of Part II for the beginner missions. I don't understand why I had to start them if there is the part 1

Honestly I'm very annoyed, watching it again on YouTube is not the same thing

[abstract sequoia]

because hoyo wants to push you into their more recent content. part 1 has been finished years ago

that being said, i agree with you. it's annoying af

when a new part 2 chapter releases, they also push you into it sometimes. be aware that you can just force close and no cutscenes are skipped

after that, select the chapter you actually wanted to play through the story chapter selection

[lucid jolt]

I started playing HI3 for the story, and I took it slowly, also because I have health problems and don't always have time. Today the beginner missions expire, and I still have to progress further in the story, Part 2.

They're good at writing, but I'm really annoyed that I missed the start of Part 2 just because of a beginner mission. I could not have skipped it, but I was still on Part 1.

[abstract sequoia]

Yeah, I'm personally also a guy who likes to take on story slow and on my own pace. Instead the Growth Regimen forces you to do an early game sprint. This does slow down later thankfully. Any time-limited rewards in newly released story chapters are usually just resources. Events do have some time-limited rewards that are important, but their stories are disconnected enough from the main story, so they can be enjoyed without knowing the full context of something like recent Part 2 chapters.

this being said, if you don't care about time-limited rewards at all, events are always replayable through Voyage Log even long after their initial release.

APHO is also entirely disconnected and meant to be a flashforward many years into the future.

I honestly wish beginner events wouldn't expire, but unfortunately that's just the way things are. If you want some comfort, I never finished the full growth regimen either on my main account but that didn't stop me from making it very meta oriented

[lucid jolt]

I'm almost on the verge of dropping HI3. Elysian Realm, APHO and forcing you to play part 2, they don't take into account the new player's intention to start the storyline normally, from part 1. And the events... damn, there were a lot of events in the last version. I didn't know Kiana's mother yet, and she just popped up so randomly, that I decided to skip it without looking. And so I did with part 2 of the story, and today that it expires I still have to do another chapter like this.

[abstract sequoia]

to comfort you, that event takes place in an alternative universe anyway

kinda like a "best ending for everyone" universe so to say

so it's also disconnected from main universe story

same for all of the "Hi Love Elf" Elysia events

listen, honestly if it's too much and you don't even want to play fully competitive, you can play at your own pace regardless

sure you're missing out on some rewards, but so what?

at least you keep your sanity and enjoyment for the game

and honestly that's what matters most

as for questions for how much an event would spoiler you, #📚honkai-lore is very open to answer you

[lucid jolt]

Ok thanks

[abstract sequoia]

just say how far you've played so far and you wont be spoiled

they also have proper reading orders pinned there

ingame can be confusing without context, especially because some of the early chapters also had manga and even VNs

[lucid jolt]

Now there is only one event, and there is more than a month to complete it, maybe by the time I start it I will have completed part 1

[lucid jolt]

an order for the events different from the game? wow

[abstract sequoia]

basically every kind of media hi3 ever had

you won't have to read all of it to understand the big picture, but ask for details in #📚honkai-lore they're way more versed with that

[lucid jolt]

Ok thanks. I'll keep playing, I'll take everything even more slowly regarding the rewards, but really, Hi3 needs to rethink how they present lore to beginners.

[abstract sequoia]

I can only agree with you

best we can do for now is help beginners as already experienced players

especially st. freya professors are there to achieve just that, where the ingame experience alone sadly fails

nearly a decade of content and confusion is bound to happen, even to very patient people

[dire portal]

Should part 2 become a new different standalone game?

[shadow gyro]

it's not a should
and part 2 is the continuation of part 1 and part 1.5 and is earlier than apho in timeline

[hardy lintel]

how does it work?

if i tune it can i still level up and use the weapon?

[shell basin]

Yes. Tuning dkeys is good

it just means you cant destroy them later to upgrade another weapon

only relevant if you have multiple copies and tune the wrong one

[shadow gyro]

also tuning is needed if you need to priarm

for pledge you don't need to but if you even get a stellar key and you wanna use it on its character then you would wanna tune so you have access to priarm

[hardy lintel]

so with stellar keys it better to tune them?

[shadow gyro]

you want to tune all dkeys anyways
unless you have a copy for some reason

[hardy lintel]

god it ^^

[slim blaze]

Finally

[lone kindle]

Its always better to tune them

If you already have one tuned you cant tune another one of the same weapon

[kind cliff]

Peoples i figured it out

I kept choosing kalpas1 thinking jt eas kalpas 2

[glossy laurel]

who should i choose?

[frosty island]

personally i'd say either chrono navi or cosmic expression, you could also get sugary starburst, tbh they are all rather equivalent in value

chrono navi has gathering abilities and buffs burn and fire dmg , cosmic expression buffs bleed and physical damage and sugary starburst provides off field dmg and ice dmg buffs

[quick birch]

get the middle one, while all of them are farmable she still somewhat can be a decent off field elemental support, though tbh you won't really use all of them a lot

[karmic jungle]

is this game worth playing

[frosty island]

it is

[glossy laurel]

okay maybe i'll get the middle one for hle, thank u guys

[frosty island]

slow start story good continuation and improvements as it goes and if u like fast paced combat you'll enjoy it

[quick birch]

well we're obviously a bit biased here since we play the game and engage with it, though we can help you decide weather you will actually enjoy the game or not so feel free to ask any questions you have about the game

[karmic jungle]

hmm i see

how do i get the colourful names like you guys

[frosty island]

being active i guess, i also got the same rank as u

[quick birch]

other options will probably work a better for HLE, you already have VBm and ME.
while ME does not contribute to HLE's leader bonus her buffs are still relatively easy to activate and and probably also better than any other support you currently have.
though generally your best and most functional team should be ME/hle/vbm

[karmic jungle]

should I restart and reroll or use an old account

[frosty island]

do u know what level your old account is?

[karmic jungle]

uhh i’d have to check

[quick birch]

the name color indicates the different roles you have, my name indicates that i'm a prof, you can see the requirements in #st-freya-faq

[frosty island]

tbh if you are smth bellow 60 it would be alright to start a new account if u wanted to, tho i'd advise not as u can also get the returnee rewards and missions which last for like a month? not sure

[quick birch]

generally we'd recommend using a new account, given that you probably did not played the game a lot from what i could gather your old account also is very likely to not have something valuable.
In regards to rerolling, it's a really exhausting process and not necessary by all mean, on a new account you will be able to get the current new valk + weapon

[quick birch]

returnee rewards are not good comapred to beginner rewards and also taking into consideration that they have all the one time crystal sources left

[quick birch]

if you want to make sure your old account has nothing valubale follow this

[frosty island]

that is true

[quick birch]

!faq returnee

[small willow]

Returnee Accounts

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Returnee Accounts pin!

Please send us an imgur album in #👶beginner-help of your significant S-Rank Valkyries and the first page of your Weapons and Stigmata. We will help you decide whether it is worth keeping.

If your account:

• Is below level 80
• Lacks established teams
• Isn't dear to you/doesn't have limited collectables that you care about.

Then:

[karmic jungle]

oh so i have to be level 80?

[glossy laurel]

is this a good team?

[quick birch]

not necessarily, it's just that being under level 80 is an indicator of not playing the game for a decent enough time and having an account without anything valuable

[quick birch]

yes it's the team i mentioned, it's by far the best team you currently have, though swap out the elf for dreamseeker the free astral operator

also do you know how p2 team building works ?

[karmic jungle]

damn the game is beefy, so many gigs

[glossy laurel]

this?

[glossy laurel]

what is p2 team

[quick birch]

it's old so quite a bit of stuff accumulated over time, you won't really have to engage with the older systems a lot tbh, but if you get confused about anything we are here to help

[karmic jungle]

i will have a lot of questions

[quick birch]

a part 2 team is a team where a character with the astral ring system is the leader ( every character released from 7.3 and onwards and part 1 characters with a stellar key)

the whole astral ring system is the fundamental system of current team building

[quick birch]

feel free to ask any you have on your mind

[karmic jungle]

i have to make an imgur account right

[glossy laurel]

ohh so im good with my current team then

i only just need miss espionage's weapon then im set

[quick birch]

you can probably just post the images here, the golden/purple stuff will be enough

[karmic jungle]

golden?

[quick birch]

yeah defenetly make sure to get that

[jaunty beacon]

Senadina is a limited character right

Orange yoyo girl

[quick birch]

you probably won't have that yet but weapons that are upgraded to level 65 will apear with a golden background in your inventory here you can see the difference

[frosty island]

ye weapons are very important to get

while the stigmata sets will allow ur team to function, the weapon is what'll allow your characters to actually perform well

[quick birch]

yeah, though at this point she probably won't rerun any time soon. the next point where you could probably get her would be reserve work since she already was in the normal BP and is quite old by now, though we don't really know how hoyo will handel p2 stuff in reserve work yet

[jaunty beacon]

Is Herscher of human ego good

Like by good I mean like somewhat relevant

[quick birch]

^ though also be aware that sometimes even a lot of supportive utiltily of a valk can be locked behind her weapon, but yes in general the weapons are more important for DPS purposes and stigmatas are important for both the DPS and support role ( and also craftable in foundry)

[frosty island]

yes, her p1 kit is alr tho would not perform in the current endgame, but with her p2 set she can perform really well , mine does well atleast so yeah

i did grind her to SS afterall

[lone crater]

depends on what perform well means to u

she does have some weathers left, but those dont rerun often,
in terms of supporting she might be used in flux tank, but otherwise she dont really see much usage outside of ma

her own weathers also kinda reliant on team/aop

[frosty island]

she's also very fun to play in Elysian realm

[frosty island]

That is true, i may be a bit biased towards her cus she's been my fav ever since she came out

[quick birch]

somewhat relevant yes with her divine key, but note that she's rather niche

her DPS weathers run quite rarely and some may also be taken by HLE at this point. She also heavily relies on thelema for some weathers since she can provide decent damage outside of SO, ari regen via evade malding and freeze (though HLE can also cover the freeze thing now). Also she's quite an old and popular character and there were many ways to obtain her ranks by now so competing with an S Hohe against SS1->ss2 can be quite difficult.

regarding her support value she's sadly really niche there, as a LoA/WoD support she's only really used on a boss with a weakpoint to hit (tank) other than that her supportive buffs are a bit lackluster compared to other options. In GoI she's decent but sadly does not have a dedicated weather to really shine as a support

she's still decent if you have no other supports but backpulling her divine key once it reruns again is not really something i would recommend from a meta stand point

if you're more casual we can help you with the decision but in the end it's up to you

we also have no info on when said weapon will rerun

[frosty island]

oh btw now thinking about reruns, a lil while back there was a HoF divine key weapon reroll and that got me curious if she was actually worth getting or kinda meh

didn't even check what teams she would sync with

[karmic jungle]

omg the download in-game will take a whole hour damn

[frosty island]

10 years of data man

[lone crater]

u mean hofi
depends on what ur goals are
f2p/casual, dont need to backpull for it
meta, its a dkey so having +10 atk for the base weap can be good, but at the same time u dont wanna hurt your pulls for next patch, up to you whether u want to take that trade, +3 can also be considered, depends on how long u wanna go
long term wise none of the recent stuff matters in a year, but the +20 atk from +3 dkey will matter
but u can get away for not having max dkey depending on the server itself as well and whether you have other stuff to compensate

[frosty island]

yeah finality, and alr

ty

[karmic jungle]

@quick birch which page should i take a pic of again?

[tired osprey]

if i run 2 support valk and there run same Stigmata set do there stack? do there even Work?

[quick birch]

equip -> stigmata/weapon

the purple stuff should be enough

[karmic jungle]

i have some yellow stuff

[quick birch]

yeah show those as well

[karmic jungle]

it’s kinda spammy if i do all the pages 😭

i think these r the most recent ones

[quick birch]

it depends on the stigmata set, if you can't stack the effects of a stigmata or a weapon they are described as exclusive meaning that you can only have the buff/debuff from that source once

[quick birch]

i've seen enough i'd definitely keep that account, you have quite a few established teams and we can work with that

[karmic jungle]

the acc is level 88 idk what the cap is

[quick birch]

do you know how the to build teams with the astral ring system ? if not we can go over that to discuss your team options

[quick birch]

it's 88 you get there quite fast

[karmic jungle]

i only played a little bit of that astral ring thing, like the combo system or smth idk

like the bottom left lights up blue

[quick birch]

okay give the guide at the bottom of the faq i'll link you in a sec a read and then we can use some of your characters as examples

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[karmic jungle]

oh i see

this is the dimension thing, am in sinful

[karmic jungle]

oh okay i’ll read this

[quick birch]

yeah just click the link at the bottom

going over every ring type would be a bit too much rn

[karmic jungle]

hmm i don’t have a lot of these new characters

with that ring system

[quick birch]

you do, i can see
senadina, thelema, lantern, songque, Schi, hofi + dkey, vita, sparkle and sushang

that's already quite a bit

since p2 characters act both at supports and DPSs depending on where they are in the team you can form quite a lot of teams

[karmic jungle]

last one i got was sparkle or something not sure or

what team should i use for the abyss in the dominance arena

[tired osprey]

Just thinking about Edison set

[quick birch]

you're in sinful so it probably doesnt really matter but for the boss stage you'd want a physical DPS, and since peregrine sword is type countered you would probably use jovial deception

[karmic jungle]

uhhh lemme check which one jovial is

oh songque

[quick birch]

the edison set does not really have supportive value from what i can see, for beginners you could run something like
theresa gluttony T fu hua muscian MB on the first support
roald amundsen 3pc on the second one

[quick birch]

yeah lets user her as an example for team building

when you click on that big blue symbol under her name you can see her astral ring specialisation and what tags her supports should have

[karmic jungle]

some of them r shiny

r those the ones I should use

[quick birch]

there have been some inconsistencies with that glow in the menu so rather actually filter by the supports she wants

[abstract sequoia]

the pin option is nice for sorting purposes still

[quick birch]

you can also filter by specialisation or attributes in game,
the attribute below the specialisation is always what supports that specific specialisation

[abstract sequoia]

every AR valk will be pinned

[karmic jungle]

oh is it these ones then

[abstract sequoia]

not sorted by who's best like Mango said

yeah

[karmic jungle]

how do u guys know which one is best

like how can u tell

[abstract sequoia]

trial and error and a bit of theory crafting

counting buffs

and depending on the enemies

[quick birch]

yeah, for songque vita and thelema would probably be the best, she could also appreciate lanterns crit buffs though idt it will matter that much for now

[abstract sequoia]

i forgot if simp is useful

[tired osprey]

does thatt mean that my DPS sould be tthe one who summons sttuff?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

assuming they are geared

[karmic jungle]

hmm how do I play that team, do I just click the astral ring button and let rip

[abstract sequoia]

actually, the second part means non-summon valks still get a 20% dmg buff

[tired osprey]

so it is about the enttety only

[jolly pulsar]

oh hey Felix!

[tired osprey]

Cheers

[abstract sequoia]

the first part is about entity only dmg

a valk lile HoRb specifies what counts as her own and what's summon dmg

[quick birch]

playing songque's tutorial should give you a decent insight on how to play her, as for vita it's pretty much just
swap her in -> ult -> weapon active -> BA x 4 -> hold attack -> ult
thelema is also pretty easy you can just swap her in -> ult -> attack until you can cast her hold attack -> swap out

this is a very general rotation and it can very from boss to boss but we can help you when these situations accour

[karmic jungle]

ok i’ll try

dunno how hard agony will be

[tired osprey]

so if haxxor bunny sommuns turret the turret deals 30% more and when i swap to dps and the turret remains i still have the 20% for my dps valk?

[karmic jungle]

it’s been forever

[quick birch]

as long as you choose the right team it still should be quite easy

[abstract sequoia]

basically how it works

[tired osprey]

gotcha Ty

[abstract sequoia]

however, gimping your team over a weather buff is usually less effective

[jolly pulsar]

Can someone help me with understanding Wheel of Destiny stuff
So if WoD is activated, say I have thelema as leader with sena and songque as teammates
when i go into stellar outburst, no initial phantom is generated
when i tap a phantom support generation button, a phantom of the icon will be generated. so if i tap senadina, she'll have one phantom attack
Then rondo in the shadows starts. Then thelema keeps attacking and she will generate additional phantoms of herself
And anytime a phantom attacks it is counted as a shadow star attack

[abstract sequoia]

like, haxxor bunny would work but she is a really old part 1 ice support

even for recent ice dps she provides next to nothing

[karmic jungle]

should i be doing this too

[jolly pulsar]

think of it like this
If there's a weather buff where girls do 50 percent more damage

Putting a female toddler on the team is still worse than putting in Conner McGregor

Sorry if that made things more confusing

[abstract sequoia]

lmao

[karmic jungle]

n all these missions

[abstract sequoia]

i mean why wouldn't you do them

[jolly pulsar]

absolutely yeah

[abstract sequoia]

its crystals

[karmic jungle]

idk i heard this returnee thing isn’t worth it

[jolly pulsar]

also @abstract sequoia @quick birch lmk if i misunderstood something

[abstract sequoia]

in comparison to starting a new account

[tired osprey]

so just use the Normal team for everything?

[karmic jungle]

does this mean i should just start anew

[abstract sequoia]

looks fine to me, just be aware that the shadow star attacks scale on the dps's damage

[jolly pulsar]

but like i was a returnee once
But it was a well established account and i didnt want to throw away all my styff

[abstract sequoia]

really depends on what you have in your account already and how much time it took

[jolly pulsar]

any shadow star attack correct?
And the dps is basically the on field valk

[abstract sequoia]

correct

[quick birch]

yeah, sometimes your own attacks also count as phantom dmg, if so it's mentioned in the main AR skill

[karmic jungle]

linked some of my weapons earlier if that helps!!

[dry python]

[karmic jungle]

didn’t do the stigmata tho

[abstract sequoia]

please do, also valks

[jolly pulsar]

not necessarily. you can still adjust based on the weather, but you will have to play around and see what gives you the best score

When I had a newer account, I had at one time only two astral ring valks. So evne if i put both of them on my team, the third character would still be a wildcard that would depend on the weather

[quick birch]

just from their weapons alone their valk roster already looked pretty decent imo

quite a few p2 units

and decent teams

[tired osprey]

i have currently only 2 good working teams (i guess) now i go HoO, Fishl, Golden Diva

[karmic jungle]

these r the valks

[abstract sequoia]

yeah you're decent enough

[jolly pulsar]

when it comes down to "what team should i be putting to help me beat this score?"

It comes down to a wide variety of factors. like stage effects, type counters, etc.

Just note that a character being a part 2 valkyrie counts as a huge factor

[abstract sequoia]

keep playing on this account

[jolly pulsar]

asuka jumpscare

[karmic jungle]

idk i left her at level 1

[abstract sequoia]

playable tesla

[jolly pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-5920695394641505768

[jolly pulsar]

cope

[tired osprey]

have 2 part 2's but there lvl 1 and unequiped and i dont have the Ar Elf equivalent for them

[abstract sequoia]

!faq gachaop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

If you are a f2p meta player, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[abstract sequoia]

dreamseeker is enough

[karmic jungle]

should i be tryin to pull this new Valkyrie

espionage

[quick birch]

with your crystal count no you don't have the funds for her

[karmic jungle]

damn

[quick birch]

save for the next patch

[abstract sequoia]

next patch will be the biggest all year

so you need to be prepared

[karmic jungle]

what is coming next patch

[abstract sequoia]

chinese new year

usually that's the largest patch every year

with a lot of rewards, a spending event and potentially a very sure bet that the valkyrie release will break some records

[karmic jungle]

is there anything i should be getting from this shop

or is it useless now

[abstract sequoia]

depends

mostly for MA strats it still has its uses

[karmic jungle]

hmm i see, which stuff

[shadow gyro]

the only important thing is judah if you don't have it already

[karmic jungle]

i have that one i think

[shadow gyro]

others are for specific strats or personal preference

[abstract sequoia]

Mei: Beach M
Newton B
Schrödinger M
only to name examples

the last one is very specific

HoO uses it in a strat where you gamble more ults with 7 thunder

[jolly pulsar]

that's like advanced stuff

I don't deal with that nonsense because im lazy

my poor newton b in shambles

(dont tell tencent)

[karmic jungle]

have those i think so thankfully should be good

[jolly pulsar]

[abstract sequoia]

4 newton?

[jolly pulsar]

FOUR???

[karmic jungle]

will just save for next patch

[shadow gyro]

yeah good enough
just keep it incase there's anything that peeks ur fancy
i doubt there will be anything important added there though

[karmic jungle]

ah okie gotcha

[jolly pulsar]

I just checked i only have three

[shadow gyro]

i have one and i have hardly ever used it

prob bc im a part 2 valk player

[karmic jungle]

idk i played a long time ago and sometimes they made us use it a lot so i got a few

[shadow gyro]

they did have more relevancy back then
they still have niches now but its too little

[karmic jungle]

ohh i see

[abstract sequoia]

keep them around, you never know. many old strats in SS MA still work

[shadow gyro]

yeah
and its not like you'll get anything important from getting rid of them so

[karmic jungle]

should i be trying to unlock these other 2

[shadow gyro]

you can only unlock by getting it from gacha

[karmic jungle]

oh

[shadow gyro]

not worth back pulling mind you
despite the atk they give
only matters if you also happen to have the characters and you really like them
i won't care about syns unless you're a nirvana player with spare pulls

[karmic jungle]

idk about that im in agony

[shadow gyro]

yesh then it doesn't matter

if you don't care about nirvana then pulling just for extra attack won't do anything to you

if you still want more attack you can look at the farmable dkeys instead
if you didn't get them all already

[karmic jungle]

i think i have the rest

[shadow gyro]

that's good enough

[karmic jungle]

just those ones i don’t have

oh all my old emblems expired too, i didn’t know it could do that

[shadow gyro]

which ones?

[shadow gyro]

yeah that's normal
you're meant to play to add to their time

[karmic jungle]

hmm i see

[shadow gyro]

the abyss and MA emblems are still there if you ever wanna go back and get them
but since you already unlocked them they still could towards the collection points

the end of patch event emblems rerun too when their events are back

[karmic jungle]

so just save crystals n wait rn basically?

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[karmic jungle]

okie

[shadow gyro]

you can wait for into (in less than a week) from #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion if you wanna know what we will get next patch
but there's no info yet so just wait

otherwise since you don't have any crystals i would just carry on anyways

[eternal spindle]

so uh am i cooked?
rita hle is the only thing that does dmg but it take so long to SO and i need 2 max charge ones to kill
unless i’m missing mechanics

[shadow gyro]

honestly cooked because of the elemental resistance that the boss has
i won't bother unless your bracket hardly got any physical dpses

[indigo crest]

Hi, which of the non-event Valkyries are suitable for the new Rita? I just started playing, and she dropped from the first 10 pulse.

[shadow gyro]

can you show what do you have right now?

also by non event i assume non gacha

[indigo crest]

now there is almost nothing except the starting ones

[indigo crest]

More precisely, not gacha s rank

[shadow gyro]

if you unlocked or can unlock VBm (a rank coralie) from the first section part 2 story with her hammer
or get her or rank her from the asterite shop
she's a general slot filler for part 2 teams

[indigo crest]

OK, thanks. Who can be put in the 3rd slot?

[shadow gyro]

last slot can be RC (the cat girl) or TA (terminal aide)
can consider VBs (a rank helia) but im a bit against it because you need her stigmatas and that's extra resources compared to the rest that can use cheaper alternatives

#👶beginner-help message

this link can give you an idea on what to use on the characters

for new rita or ME, make sure you get her own scythe from the equipment supply

her stigmatas are there too that she wants to use
if you get the weapon before getting the full piece set, you can use the log in box and/or get the missing pieces from the foundry

[opal lily]

everytime i use hot ult i just FALL out of the map during story 😭

[indigo crest]

Thanks

[shadow gyro]

its a usual glitch, you can report it if you want
you can try leaving if it doesn't teleport you back

if you think there's more issues or its too severe you can try asking in #🔌technical-help

[jolly pulsar]

something something it reflects her state of mind

[jaunty beacon]

how do i get a lvl 40 stigmata because i got one, but idk how to do it again because the max i can do is 35

[serene crystal]

Higher rarity stigmata can be levelled further

@jaunty beacon

[jaunty beacon]

i have purple background stigmata, and i got it to lvl 40, but i can't do it with the other one for some reason

[serene crystal]

Yes the purple ones are higher rarity and can be levelled further

[jaunty beacon]

the max i can get one of my purples to is 35 thought for osme reason

just tried it

[serene crystal]

Lower rarity ones start as blue and get purple once you upgrade them. Higher rarity option starts as purple and stay purple a you upgrade them

[lyric anvil]

If you priarm they stay purple then become gold when fully upgraded

[jaunty beacon]

huh ok
how do i get purple stigmatas

[lyric anvil]

Oh Stigmata-
What I mention was weapons lol
Certain Stigmata can be crafted in foundry

[jaunty beacon]

where is foundry?

[lyric anvil]

Supply

Can also check by going to equip checking either Stigmata or weapon tab and press the forge? Craft button? I don't remember the name

[jaunty beacon]

no materials...
is there anywhere else i can get purple stig

[lyric anvil]

Gacha

[jaunty beacon]

bro what.
i need 3 lvl 40 stigmatas for beginner supply

[lyric anvil]

Oh-

[lyric anvil]

You can buy those in the starter manual also

[serene crystal]

The beginner shop should have three pieces of Peary or Fu Hua Musician which you can get reasonably early

[jaunty beacon]

lemme check

[lyric anvil]

Marco Polo also

[jaunty beacon]

oh those
ok ima buy them
thanks

[spiral badge]

i want to clarify something. When we were talking about stigmata rarities earlier, you should really be paying attention to their base rarities or max possible rarities

https://i.imgur.com/gx1fJsj.png
https://i.imgur.com/zAYBpD7.png

because a lower base rarity stigmata may start as blue but end up as purple and won't qualify for your manual mission

[jaunty beacon]

yeah i saw

[spiral badge]

for higher rarity stigmata, you need something that already starts as purple

also starter manual isn't something you necessarily need to rush urgently. Definitely do NOT aimlessly roll in a gacha just to get higher rarity stigs.

Materials for upgrading stig might run dry early on if you spend them on stigs you don't need either.

[lyric anvil]

Prisms being a very scarce material right now

[spiral badge]

this is especially to note when you cannot even craft much from the foundry atm

and yeah source prism is especially important for modern and useful stigs. Be frugal with those

!faq prisms

[small willow]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[jaunty beacon]

is herrcher of human ego still somewhat relevant in meta rn

[spiral badge]

if you haven't yet, you can consider crafting theresa gluttony T which is pretty cheap and useful early on https://i.imgur.com/kussGzP.png

although if you cannot craft that i do not encourage you to go out of your way to get those materials (SS imaginons). Story or events may give some of them (although thinking about it now i haven't really seen them in event rewards as of late)

the foundry menu is massive so use the filter button at the top right

https://i.imgur.com/9RHofnQ.png

gluttony is a basic stigmata

[spiral badge]

this is a tricky question to answer.

The short answer is yes but only with her newest gacha only divine key weapon. (This is NOT key of ego in the beginner box. That weapon is out of date and not recommended from that box)

[jaunty beacon]

huh ok

[jolly pulsar]

In WoD teams, does a character consume their own stellar drain first, or their teammates?

[quick birch]

idk if you missed my reply earlier but give this a read and ask further questions if you don't understand something
#👶beginner-help message

[jaunty beacon]

oh yeah i did mb

[quick birch]

np

[quick birch]

there's no own stellar drain or their teammates all stellar drains are thrown into one pool

given that they have HSS

[spiral badge]

#👶beginner-help message i have this write up of my own too for weighing out pros and cons but the short answer to that is

if you don't already have it, i don't recommend it. It's been a few months since its release and alot of her use cases aren't as prevalent anymore.

[jolly pulsar]

So anyone with HSS gets thrown in the pool

But not those without it

[quick birch]

yes, should be mentioned in the leader skill

[spiral badge]

valk specific stellar drain effects still trigger on a valk per valk basis i believe. Like vita will still get her initial large sum of ARI if she's the one triggering it

[quick birch]

that actually does not depend on stellar drain, it's just on her first CA

she can also trigger that in LoA afaik

[spiral badge]

oh ok i didn't realize the weapon effect was specific to celestial rupture

but the abyssal energy stacks should still be tied to stellar drain right?

[quick birch]

yeah i forgot about those

[spiral badge]

oh nvm this is weird too

https://i.imgur.com/bPE04pi.png

[quick birch]

huh they aren't

[spiral badge]

it still says celestial rupture but also stellar drain

[quick birch]

[spiral badge]

so idk how it would go for LoA lol

https://i.imgur.com/ZrADo98.png

i can't really scroll up any further but ignore the first bullet point here

[quick birch]

oh wait you can't accumalte more than 1 abyssal energy anyway, because every attack that provides those stacks trigger stellar drain

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/UwKwuts.png well there's always this too

[quick birch]

anyway, i think the main point to take from this was that all stellar drains are thrown into one pool in WoD but it still matters who triggers them

[spiral badge]

yeah exactly

[kind hull]

which is the best Adventure tasks to open every week? ive done all the main stories except apho2

[shell basin]

We don't have official numbers but from about a thousand tries on each Sakura Samsara<<<SS HQ<Apho 1 for crystal rates, and I think APHO 2 is about the same as 1 but haven't tested yet

[slim citrus]

i played a few years back and now im back with a fresh account, which one of these weapons is the most valuable would you say? im between the key of ego or the fists
i have the cat girl (forgot name) & will get HoHe & Shushang from the beginner event soon

[shell basin]

Purana is probably the most valuable

Because RC is useful as a cope support, she gives pretty good generic buffs

HoHE is a better Valkyrie than RC but she would need a different weapon (her new dkey) to support anyone

JK

• Only supports ice
• is worse than RC for the most recent ice dps even if you had them
• can sort of cope with nebs instead if you want to use her anyway

[kind hull]

i have a valk option egg s rank sitting about, none of the valks in the egg are particularly good or meta and i dont really want any of them, should i just get the Willpower?

[shell basin]

None of them are meta. The “best” option is to save it to grab whatever Elysian realm Valkyrie you take the longest to obtain by other means but

It’s not hugely valuable in general. Efficiency wise I think willpower is the worst option tho

[kind hull]

on a similar note, i know that not many if any of the valks in war treasury are meta, is it just again 'wait and see who takes longest to get for ely realm' for which ones of them to get first, or is there an order i should do

[shell basin]

There’s a priority in pins but that’s broadly it

Some of them have niche use if you have their gear (you don’t) and Senti / Flamescion have more than zero in MA even without it but even then don’t expect too much

[iron kernel]

is it worth it to get 880 chips for elysia as a beginner

[lone crater]

the crystals itself is worth if u whale

[ancient needle]

Are you talking about the Level Rush? It's worth getting for the crystals, not for Ely

[iron kernel]

yes that

[ancient needle]

Ely might be useful in the earlygame, but that's it

[shell basin]

If you’re already getting monthly card u can consider it

[iron kernel]

im level 40 now with hov idk if elys better than hov

[ancient needle]

Monthly is better value, but Level Rush is a limited offer

[shell basin]

But if u aren’t getting monthly card already no point

[iron kernel]

ohh i see thanks yall

[ancient needle]

She is, but you don't really need good valks rn

[iron kernel]

im not planning to spend much but the level rush looks interesting

[ancient needle]

• you'll eventually get Rita from gacha

And she'll run miles around both HoV and Ely

[iron kernel]

oh shes worth to roll for?

[ancient needle]

Her future value for new players is unknown strictly speaking

But she absolutely will be useful short-term

[iron kernel]

oh

[ancient needle]

Her ending up being low-value in the future is unlikely imo

Don't forget to get her weap too btw

[iron kernel]

is there the latest tier list

[iron kernel]

yea thank you

[ancient needle]

Tier lists don't really work here

There are a lot of niches to cover and a valk's performance can vary extremely between them

[iron kernel]

oh i see

[ancient needle]

A valk can be BiS in one niche and be literally useless in another

Generally speaking you just pull brand new valks + their weaps

[ancient needle]

Because the valks' niches appear less and less often over time

[iron kernel]

i see ty

[eternal spindle]

what do i use for MA this week?

[shell basin]

Prolly HLE VBM RC in Paros, Rita Songkek VBS/TA on Mobius, whoever is left on SS

Could try Songkek Rita VBM /TA as well but WoD Sonque dps is depressing

[shadow gyro]

wpless jds btw

but yeah hle team one side and rita team another side is the best option here

[eternal spindle]

am i playing rita in ER incorrectly or sth she barely does any dmg
atleast in comparison to hle

[shadow gyro]

what signets are you going for
esp the go ones

[eternal spindle]

mainly focusing on getting the 3 ego signet + full in kalpas (2nd nexus choice) and hua

picking griseo when it comes up

[shadow gyro]

oh ok so i take it this is the astra ring build
did you level her in shallow sequence first by any chance?

[eternal spindle]

i do have her at lvl 12 but i cant imagine it is so much better getting to lvl 15
iirc hle basically onetap everything when i got her back then

[shadow gyro]

hmm thats strange
i cant think of anything weird
maybe you can show me a snippet of a run with her to see if the issue is there

[eternal spindle]

am i doing her normal fieldtime correctly then?
summon supports ->SO -> 1/2 -> spam WA

[shadow gyro]

yeah thats correct

[eternal spindle]

weird

[shadow gyro]

oh maybe if you affixed your hle but didnt yet on rita that can be it? i still dont imagine it being that significant

[eternal spindle]

my rita is more affixed than my hle

[shadow gyro]

😭

[eternal spindle]

maybe my perspective is just shrewed cuz of hle, it's not like i can't clear, just uncharacteristically long

[serene crystal]

She is notably slower then good characters but should not have issues clearing

[shadow gyro]

yeah rita is slow despite there being no issue with her dmg lol

[iron kernel]

wait sorry why does monthly card connect to level rush? the gems?

[shell basin]

yeah monthly card is more gem efficient

so if you're already getting monthly card then level rush could be worth it

[iron kernel]

oh i havent

[shell basin]

but if u arent just get that instead

[iron kernel]

thanks

[eternal spindle]

can someone explain the cadet system? what/how do i get rewards recruiting cadets? how many cadets can i have? is there any benefit/drawbacks of having multiple? stuff like that (idk if there is a faq for that)

[slim blaze]

Uwu^^

[jolly pulsar]

what in the

[jaunty beacon]

What’s the easiest item to craft

[shadow gyro]

i would look at budget stigmatas or craft a weapon you need like pledge of sakura
do you happen to have the faq with beginner gear by chance

[jaunty beacon]

I do

[abstract sequoia]

if you just want to complete the mission, forging a stigmata with honkai pieces or ss imaginon would be the technically cheapest thing. theresa: gluttony t for example

[jaunty beacon]

I just crafted some random 3-star wep

[abstract sequoia]

you will need that anyway

[abstract sequoia]

eh okay

[jaunty beacon]

Also for universal mirage do I really need to run phys

[abstract sequoia]

depends on the stage

type advantage and newer valks can scale higher

[abstract sequoia]

i assume your newest is vbm?

or which valks do you have

[jaunty beacon]

Uh

[abstract sequoia]

valkyrie blastmetal

coralie