👶beginner-help

[ancient needle]

Doesn't really matter as long as it's not crystals

I personally went with 5 blue and 10 pink

[copper marsh]

BLUE

[abstract sequoia]

i went full valk banner, my past traumas chose for me

[amber finch]

full equip bc i literally always hard pity weap

[abstract sequoia]

it's always the valk for me

[ivory jolt]

What’s the difference from elysia/horb/vita and elysia/coralie/kiana

[ancient needle]

If you meant HLE leader, then the first team is not properly built (Vita can't support GoI)

I assume you meant FDD and not VBm and Badum and not HoFi in the second case

!faq battlesuit

[small willow]

Characters vs Battlesuits

Ai-chan is confused, Captain...

Please be specific about which battlesuit you are referring to by using their battlesuit name - better yet, its abbreviated form! See the glossary here.

In Honkai Impact 3rd, several of the playable Valkyries have alternate forms, these are called "battlesuits".

• For example, Herrscher of Reason is a battlesuit of Bronya's, and so are Wolf's Dawn, Yamabuki Armor, and Silverwing: N-EX!

Many battlesuits that share the same Character (e.g. Fenghuang of Vicissitude and Herrscher of Sentience; Fu Hua) have very different roles and thus different applications in your teams as they have COMPLETELY different skills and gameplay.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ivory jolt]

HLE/horb/vita and hle/dragon coralie/badum is what I meant

It’s just the teams recommended in hle guide

[ancient needle]

What HLE guide recommends Vita there xdd
Are you sure it's not HoRb leader in the first case?

[ivory jolt]

the in game guide

[ancient needle]

Yeah, I strongly suggest not referring to that in the future (outside of tutorials, they provide serviceable introductions and rotations)

[ivory jolt]

So then what are hle teams

[ancient needle]

HLE + FDD + 2nd support depending on what you're fighting (Badum if SD enemies, HoHE if Ice/Ranged weather, PAWS at neutral afaik)

[ancient needle]

There could be a case where you could run PS support (Bleed/hitcount requirement)

More generally speaking to support a GoI character you wanna run 2 supports with the Symbiosis tag

If your support selection is limited lemme know

[ivory jolt]

Idek myself cuz I just got back into hi3 for seele and elysia

[ancient needle]

Well, you can show your valks then

[amber finch]

where did you see that btw im checking ingame guides rn

[ancient needle]

Also lemme know if any of them are missing weaps

[ancient needle]

Probably MA boss team suggestions?

Cuz Paros

[amber finch]

hoyo wouldnt cook somdthing that weird

[ancient needle]

And Abyss is closed rn

[ancient needle]

You'd be surprised

[amber finch]

yeah its actually the right team for paros

[ancient needle]

On one of Abyss cycles they "cooked" HoFi DPS with 2 RoO supps 😭

[ancient needle]

With Vita?

Or did I misunderstand what you said

[amber finch]

nope, hle fdd fws

[ancient needle]

Ah

[amber finch]

best example of hoyo misleading literally every single newbie in the entire game (for any lurkers, this is completely wrong for vita dps)

[ancient needle]

I assume they meant Vita support here

[amber finch]

its not "wrong" but its so misleading

[ancient needle]

Cuz it's not false at all in that case

[ivory jolt]

I can’t get them rn but I can list them

• dsa (no weapon)
• hle
• sleepy teriri (no weapon)
• vita (no weapon)
• jds (no weapon)
• rs

Also my a rank helia and coralie do not have weapons

[amber finch]

its crazy how easily that can be misunderstood

[ancient needle]

1. You can get VBm's weapon from the beginning of Part 2 story
2. ig you can run HLE RS Vita

[amber finch]

hle vita rs would be your hle team for now, rs has the symbiosis tag so she can actually support hle and vita has the roo ring so she can trigger the 3/3 bonus however she wont do as well as a valk with the symbiosis tag

[ancient needle]

There will be some rotation issues with Vita, but it's the best you have

[ivory jolt]

Ah I forgot I do have horb and hofi divine key too

[ancient needle]

Ah

[amber finch]

im still trying to find the ingame guide where vita is recommended for hle 😭

[ancient needle]

Then HLE HoRb RS

[amber finch]

hofi you dingus

[ancient needle]

That's noticeably better

[amber finch]

oh wait im blind

teammate ily

[ancient needle]

💅

[amber finch]

of course with the valkyrie too?

[ivory jolt]

Well yes! Pulled on their og banners

[amber finch]

husk im not trying to mock you or anything, im just super super curious as to where you got the guide for vita in hle's team ingame 😭

can you give me a screenshot or tell me what was it in

[ancient needle]

Probably a past cycle atp

[ivory jolt]

shejekssk I’m not home so I can’t grab a screenshot but I swearrrr it was elysia’s in game guide

[ancient needle]

Ping us both pls xdd

[amber finch]

nah its still fdd badum for that (for any lurkers, it is not the objectively best team for hle, there are no best team for her)

[amber finch]

it all changes depends on the boss

[ivory jolt]

you know you click like on a valk in your valkyrie screen and top right it kinda brings you to a browser guide

[amber finch]

this one?

OH MY GOD I FOUND IT

[ivory jolt]

not that one 😭

[amber finch]

the 2nd team is for horb dps not hle dps btw

whoever is the first valk from left to right is the dps

[ivory jolt]

me intentionally misreading the team lineup too

[amber finch]

so in that scenario its horb being the dps

[ivory jolt]

I legit didn’t notice

[amber finch]

and yeah that team is pretty good for horb

[amber finch]

nah its nothing, i was just mad curious

@ancient needle to satisfy your curiousity

[ancient needle]

Yeah, that's what I thought

[amber finch]

inb4 some lurker look at this and think that horb with old gears is usable in a p2 team

[ivory jolt]

it’s been a while for me I’m so washed. I’ve played since like 2021 but I quit after part 1 ended for a bit and would just log in during part 2 to do like two pulls a patch. It’s why I have the most miscellaneous part 2 valks 😭

I only have vita from this patch too cuz I got lucky on carnival 😭

[amber finch]

nah its fine (yeah your acc is pretty random)

[ancient needle]

Yeah, it's best if you don't get valks without weaps in the future

For now just save until the next patch

[amber finch]

missing sena weap alone in my p2 roster already gives me enough trouble

i cant fathom missing like 80% of the p2 valks' weapons

[ivory jolt]

I don’t regret getting these valks anyway weapon or not cuz I’m a huge er nerd and sleepy teriri is like top er play style 😭 legit auto

[ancient needle]

> ER nerd
> Least engaging ER playstyle 🗿

[amber finch]

er nerd gotta use thel smh

[amber finch]

oh also teammate im lazy tell me what signets to get for thel ring

[ancient needle]

I have no clue myself without checking

And I ain't doing that

[amber finch]

ugh fineeee

forcing me to actually do something myself? shame on you

[ancient needle]

How dare I not answer a question in a help channel

[ivory jolt]

That’s why it’s so peak. And like any busted valk anyway isn’t crazy engaging it’s like 3 buttons max to press with one hand

[amber finch]

wtf is thel ring that bad, why is it in legacy lmfao

[ivory jolt]

And also she’s one of like two mobius 2 users the other one being misteln

[amber finch]

and horb

[ivory jolt]

I’ve never used mobius2 with her cuz she’s doing the damage anyway but ur right that’d be fun

[ancient needle]

Just not as good as current options

[amber finch]

[ancient needle]

HLE is busted, for example

[amber finch]

i keep on accidentally skull emoji everyone

[amber finch]

horb is even crazier

[amber finch]

with dkey* (idk how well she does without )

[ivory jolt]

pretty well. I’d use her without weapon and it’s just like one ego signet and kalpas and su.

The er guides recommend all these weapons and whatnot but if your dedicated it’s never a necessity which I am 😭

[amber finch]

yeah nvm idk how to thel

[feral kettle]

What is this weap do i forge for it? Is it a better weap for hle?

[glad ice]

yes

more skill/buffs

[feral kettle]

Ooooh i see so its more useful than the current one if so

[amber finch]

you need to level the original weapon to level 50

[feral kettle]

I see

I must be blind then

i thought i needed a new one

[copper marsh]

can i just get anyone here. is anyone here een meta/

[storm lantern]

there's a pin for war treasury

[copper marsh]

whats is hot.

[copper marsh]

ya but for the AW, what is hot.

[storm lantern]

1. please don't ping people who made the pins to ask a question about them
2. there's a glossary also in the pins

[copper marsh]

dude.

what does this mean. AW :AncientWillpower:

Unlock HoT (Potential SS MA SP battery + ER + Stress Test) > FR/MC/DA/BKE (ER + Stress Test) > Meme/JK/SK/MPE/VE/VKE/SN/HoR/6S/AKA (ER)

[storm lantern]

someone should have mentioned a way to check what the abbreviations are

not sure why that didnt happen

[copper marsh]

....

@spiral badge are u there ? pls save me

[raven bane]

just pick whoever you like not to mention that you still have to farm a lot to get them anyways

[copper marsh]

im talking abt AW NOT AL

[quick birch]

!faq abbr

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[copper marsh]

aw is ez to get. i think

[quick birch]

abbreviations are rather common in this game so getting used to the glossary is very helpfull

idm telling people one or two from time to time but when it comes to so many abbreviations like at the moment the glossary is really the way to go

[raven bane]

if the currency you are talking about is this uhh i mean you cant even buy any characters with this this is only for mats

[copper marsh]

so hot means hercher of thunder

[quick birch]

yes

[copper marsh]

i alrdy have her

[copper marsh]

u legit can

u an get hor

[quick birch]

you can get quite a few characters with that

[raven bane]

fr? i thought only the other currency is used for characters in this shop

[quick birch]

you can purchase characters with both currencies, normally when they are added to WT they cost AL but with time they'll be moved down to only cost AL

[copper marsh]

since i have hot and fallen rosemary do i get mc ?

[quick birch]

afaik that alos happend with some valks this patch

[quick birch]

MC is fine yeah

[copper marsh]

what does she even do.

[raven bane]

oh damn it is true mb but they really look alike

[copper marsh]

imma check pins

[raven bane]

uhh does data saves when the game crashes

[copper marsh]

HOW DOES ONE LEAVE AN ARMADA

the one im in is tier 2 and its dead

[raven bane]

a why does my mouse didnt show up (just click on your armadas name on the left side of your screen)

[quick birch]

practically she's a phys dps but you won't really use her, you only really get her for the crystals in ER and for her stress test

[copper marsh]

i see

[copper marsh]

could i not just get hercher of reason for the crystals she offers in elysian realm

i love herrcher of reason

[quick birch]

yeah, the only thing you'd miss out is the stress test which is 1 weapon supply card and i'm not even sure if you could clear it at the moment, totally fine imo

[raven bane]

why he is not dying

he should be dead atleast 10 times now

nvm

[frozen crypt]

dear god

[latent hatch]

Hi! How do I know the best stats for a valk affixes? I guess most are damage, but some are crit, maybe dudu?

[haughty elbow]

always atk
if the valk is phys then u can do crit dmg but it doesnt really matter

cant do crit rate

[latent hatch]

I see thanks

[spiral badge]

hi sorry i wasn't around at the time

[spiral badge]

hm i could've sworn hi3 had a way to change your cursor into an orange dot that does show up in screen captures if you held down a button (thought it was ctrl but it didn't work for me just now). Dunno if something changed or i just don't remember

Going to leave the ping off on this one since it's not a real answer for now

[slim blaze]

Isnt it alt

[frozen crypt]

I thought it was alt but it aint working

[proper quiver]

is there any way to bind my normal attacks to m1?

[frozen crypt]

Are you playing on kbm input mode? I thought that's what it did

[proper quiver]

yeah it doesnt let me bind atk to m1

[haughty elbow]

but its auto binded to that

[proper quiver]

it wasnt for me atleast

[haughty elbow]

if it isnt then ur not using kbm

[proper quiver]

how do i enablke it then

[haughty elbow]

from ur settings
or press right alt

[proper quiver]

im on macos 🙂‍↕️

would it be option for me

[haughty elbow]

no clue
just do it from ur settings

[proper quiver]

where in the settings?

[left vale]

settings -> controls -> at the top right -> "mouse and keyboard controls"

[proper quiver]

these are my options

[left vale]

[proper quiver]

is macos cooked

[left vale]

you dont have this at all???

[proper quiver]

no sign of it at all

[left vale]

tragic

if you wanna like

have windows (because MacOS is trash [imo]) you can get windows on mac

[proper quiver]

all the free ones are trash and im not paying 150 for parralels

[ocean scroll]

Hello, what stigmata are good for kiana Herrscher of voif

I have these in it

[slim blaze]

I mean. Just slap marco TM attila B. Note that HoV is not a unit to heavily invest however

[ocean scroll]

Ok, thanks

[eternal spindle]

is it a good idea to pull fdd?

[shell basin]

Not particularly. If you have a ton of crystals you can consider it but FDD

• Doesn’t have much dps shill left
• Her dps shill requires Valkyries you probably don’t have
• Cannot really support ||8.6 Valkyrie||

In general you should not backpull for meta unless you’re whaling

And this isn’t an exception

[dull schooner]

Hey y’all, where’s the pic that shows every banner that is gonna come out in this patch?

[serene crystal]

#💁gameplay-help or #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[dull schooner]

Tyy

[lone kindle]

In general its never a good idea to backpull since those are crystals that could go towards a new unit that will have more use time left

[inner bronze]

anyone got vid for hle vs kalpas?

[ocean scroll]

How do i farm crystals?

[junior knoll]

BRO GUYS HELP IM SO FRIED WTH I JUST STARTED SUPERSTRING

IM AGONY 2 AND THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT IN THE TIME

[shell basin]

What team are you using? Can you record your rotation?

We can help you but there’s only so much we can do in a vacuum

[junior knoll]

rs fws and and vbm

[shell basin]

And those are your only part 2 battlesuits?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you can just take the L this cycle imo

It happens

[shell basin]

It’s rough because they’re weather countered and no type advantage if so

[lyric anvil]

RS and FWS are neutral though Kalpass has fire res

[junior knoll]

bro what are you kiding me

[ancient needle]

This cycle specifically is very restrictive

[lyric anvil]

[junior knoll]

i got to the final wave

i got 0 crystals man

[shell basin]

Oh you mean you didn’t even clear the side stages?

That should be doable, I would guess it’s a rotation issue

Are you letting your buffs expire?

[junior knoll]

idk i only pay attention to vbm buffs

[shell basin]

That might be it. I’d have to see the run to be sure though

[junior knoll]

lemme rec rq

[shell basin]

you're wasting a lot of time at the start right off the gate

which doesn't help I assume

with coralie you want to either WA twice before they spawn and then do the jump attack WA just as they arrive, for stellar drain and a quick SO, or time an ult for just as they arrive

waiting until the enemies spawn to switch to her is wasting a lot of time

then you seem to be going to FWS and dpsing with her, even tho RS buffs aren't up

which is also gonna be crippling your damage

[junior knoll]

ahh can i beat all floors with this

[shell basin]

you should be able to get 18k with a better rotation

but you'll probably lose trophies

I don't have RS so I can't record it but broadly it's a question of your team not being used right that's losing you a lot of time and damage

[junior knoll]

damnbro shouldve stayed with qmanifold its easier and gives more crystals without being that high of rank

[shell basin]

so you should be able to clear the floor by fixing that

[lyric anvil]

VBm: Ult > Jump Attack > WA

I'd suggest doing this at the start

[shell basin]

A2 in superstring gives more crystals than agony qmanifold

[junior knoll]

how much altogether

[lyric anvil]

Agony 3 is equal to Masters Redlotus

[junior knoll]

is it usually doable to beat all floors of agony

[shell basin]

11% more

[lyric anvil]

This should help

[shell basin]

usually yes. Your team can even do it

I would suggest going to the tutorials

and trying the FWS basic team rotation

to get a sense of how to use her with dudu

(or use dudu dps which I expect will do a bit better assuming both are geared)

shouldnt be neccesary tho

[frozen crypt]

@junior knoll some extra stuff

You are also swapping in coralie when you do not need to, see the buff that appears above the hp bar with the orange/grey icon? You only need to swap coralie in when that has run out (or about to) and you should get it to 3 stacks via WA or you can use ult at the start for this purpose too. Do not use Coralie's ult except at the start of the battle, big waste of time.

Dudu you seem to be misusing her atk sequences, not sure why you are doing ca multiple times without full bar. Again you can see buff above the hp bar, you should be doing qte > ca (bar is full) and ult, no random basics and cas, they do nothing here and waste time

I can't comment on FWS since I don't own her and actively ignore that valk but the gameplay doesn't feel right, you seem to just be spamming I think wa for meter? Do the tutorial as QTesse said

[glad ice]

sea agony is a bit hotter than glb

but yeah clearable yes, retainable questional

[lone crater]

weather is a bit rough for u, but should be clearable yea, melee -50%

badum just mainly builds her meter via basic 4x + wa

which then u can just do wa again to consume the meter

[quick birch]

as it was already suggested try out the tutorial to get a sense on how to play fws properly, otherwise give this rotation a try

• switch to vbm
• WA x2
• jump -> BA( has to hit the enemy) -> WA
• qte to RS
• fully charged attack
• ult
• qte to fws
• BA x4
• WA
• ult ( if available)
• WA
• switch to vbm jump -> WA ( not too sure if you could maybe leave this out and rather fit in another rs + fws sequence, can't test it out myself so rather be safe than sorry)
  -> repeat the sequence above starting from RS

the SO rotation is also rather simple for RS her stellar shift just completly replaces her part of the rotation and fws is just

• press the attack button during shift when it appears on screen
• BA x 4
• ult ( if avilable)
• WA

since vbm's buffs refresh on SO entry you can do

• fws stellar shift
• RS stellar shift
• fws sequence( if vbm's buffs run out during/before squeeze in another vbm sequence in between)
• repeat the normal rotatio

[fallen shale]

since abyss recommends HLE > FDD > FWS and I have those three valks I assume I should run that team?

is fws' support rotation still just CA > ULT in this team?

[quick birch]

run ps instead of fws if you have her

you want someone to clear the HC

[fallen shale]

oh there's a hc boss?

[quick birch]

kalpas has a HC shield yeah

[glad ice]

hc transition

does ps work on it?

[quick birch]

yeah

[glad ice]

ps type counter too

[fallen shale]

oh yeah once you hit the boss it changes the recommendation to PS lol

[quick birch]

the ranged attack part is probably just because he's not on the ground when he has his HC shield, PS doesnt really care about that her umbrella just flies to him

[lyric anvil]

Her umbrella flies to anything

[wintry wharf]

so hle is ranged ?

[lyric anvil]

Yes?

[wintry wharf]

ok cool

u never know with this weird game logic

[fallen shale]

surely they'd never make a bow user who attacks with nothing but projectiles into a melee dps right

[sweet flax]

that's honestly fair, but that's mostly an issue with melee recently

[sweet flax]

there are units who are neither ranged nor melee, or have specific attacks in their kit that are ranged or melee

you cant ever be too certain

[fallen shale]

[sweet flax]

vita for example, outside planet quaker, her basic attacks are melee, but become ranged in planet quaker

ps is neither ranged nor melee either

[fallen shale]

well I'm just glad I have HLE to cover ranged stuff

I thought she was melee but I also feel like I've been told that before

ig it stopped mattering once I had PAWS to cover all my melee needs

[wintry wharf]

what team for hle s0 against kalpas is hle, sushang and who ?

[lyric anvil]

HLE, FDD, PS

[wintry wharf]

scores are so low barely 700 on bili wtf

[frigid osprey]

Who do I choose? I dont have any of them

[sweet flax]

makes no difference, they are all available in er and all have a stress test, and I believe they have the same value in war treasury as well

though you could double check there if you'd like just incase

keep in mind none of these valks see any modern day competitive use and are mainly obtained for the free elysian realm crystals and dorm level bonuses

[frozen crypt]

DA is AW now

[glad ice]

this fking boss need 2SO

[frozen crypt]

kek

[frigid osprey]

Okay thank you just got the Seele one cause I like her

[lone kindle]

Hos is still used in ss arena

[sweet flax]

[lone kindle]

In fact, id say to get hos, since she is good support for early game and overall the best one of the 3 ones in the box

[sweet flax]

a bit too late for that im afraid

[lone kindle]

Yeah, just so you know for the future

We need to not only think about how meta good they are, but how useful they could be for a new player, since most of the times they have to cope with whatever they have

[sweet flax]

to be fair this looks more like a returnee case rather than new player case

and hos in ma is quite gear reliant

but I do agree with you

[frigid osprey]

Yeah I started my account a long time ago but quickly abandoned it right now Im lvl38 but i think team wise I am ok, i have HLE , using RC & Valkyrie blastmetal..

[faint lava]

is the i love elf good

are u meant to get her in your first ten pull

[sweet flax]

like all other valks during their debut, yes
and she will mostly shine during her weathers which are more frequent since she just released

[sweet flax]

no, but the earlier the better. make sure to pick up her weapon as well

[faint lava]

i dont have any pulls

i just started

[glad ice]

first ten pull of HLE is free. supply req. lvl15

[faint lava]

i have the three free chars bronya kiana and mei

who do i replace

also, what skill am i meant to level up

[glad ice]

u cant use part2 valk in part1 story

[faint lava]

Theres like 8 that branch out into like 4 otyhers

[faint lava]

?

[quick birch]

Beginners get a lot of pulls just keep playing and you should be able to get her weapon

[glad ice]

if u just start u 're in part1. at lvl30 u can start part2 if u dont care about lore/spoiler/story

[quick birch]

Hoyo spaghetti code doesn't allow Valkyries released after version 7.2 to be played in some P1 story chapters for some reason, you will be locked to trial valks at some point anyway so it's not that big of a deal

[quick birch]

Normally you just level up everything, don't stress upgrading your current valks too much you should get some better ones from starter manual/asterite shop which you can level up a bit then

[glad ice]

dont waste exp chip and coin for those 3. the game will offer u 1 free SP valk soon

[quick birch]

If you do need to upgrade one of the three valks I'd level up mei a bit

[faint lava]

do i upgrade hi love elf

[quick birch]

Yes

[glad ice]

do u have her yet

[faint lava]

thank you

yes

my first free ten pull

[glad ice]

[frigid osprey]

Omg im so jealous

[faint lava]

is she goo

d

[frigid osprey]

Returnee luck nonexistent i was like 7 off hard pity when I got her

[quick birch]

Yeah, as already mentioned just try to get her weapon now since you always want the Valkyrie and the weapon

[faint lava]

thank you

How unusable are they without it

[sweet flax]

it will be hard to dps without their weapon, which is mostly relevant during their patch
as a support it differs from valk to valk, but they lose a lot of supportive utility without it

[faint lava]

k

[floral sail]

I finished the world 1 story should I do this now or continue with the story?

[glad ice]

the ex stages are a bit harder so u can continue story but at some point at story they will require u to clear specific ex-stage

at that point u can come back with higher gears

[floral sail]

tysm for explaining

is there any active redeem codes?

[frozen crypt]

#🎮honkai-chat message

this link is pinned also

[floral sail]

tysm

is there like any stuff that I must make sure I do daily?

sorry for the dumb question

[abstract sequoia]

spending your stamina and the daily missions

especially material stages

[violet heath]

Please is this the place we're i can ask for elysia weapon flawless benediction legacy

[abstract sequoia]

December 5th, check #💁gameplay-help pins

those usually have the patch schedule

[violet heath]

Ok thank you

[abstract sequoia]

np

[floral sail]

tysm for answering <3

[rotund roost]

How bad is backpulling

[frozen crypt]

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[odd plume]

would say depend

[frozen crypt]

oh do u mean flawless specifically

[odd plume]

if you miss new valk because of that, it's very bad

[old parrot]

Should I get chenxue?

[rotund roost]

Shouldn't I max all of my divine keys?

[rotund roost]

Astralops aren't worth it

[odd plume]

not all, check dkey buff first

[old parrot]

I thought they were good 😭

[odd plume]

for most f2p, astralop is usually a skip, unless you are very luckily with the valk pull

they are good, but f2p can't afford everything, so we have to skip what less important

and you only need them if you are going for the top

[mortal mica]

What should I use as a weapon ? (Didn't manage to get it 🙁

[odd plume]

use any high atk weap you have, that EoP should be highest one

[twin slate]

What am i supposed to do about all of these?

[sweet flax]

can convert the extra ones into source prisms

[twin slate]

How can i do it?

What weapons and characters are to prioritize?

[slim blaze]

based on what you have. HLE and HORB

all the others can ignore. well aside from Vbm can also upgrade her. but after HLE and Horb

[twin slate]

who is vbm?

[sweet flax]

valkyrie blastmetal

!faq glossary

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[twin slate]

oh ty

[loud torrent]

Hello

Is this patch Anniversary patch?

Also is the patches still 9 week

[sweet flax]

yes its the cn anniversary patch, patches are still 8-10 weeks, that seems to be the norm now

(this patch being 10 weeks)

[loud torrent]

Oh

I thought it changed back to 6 weeks since this patch went a little too fast

Maybe it's because of my school idk

[junior knoll]

No matter what I try I can’t beat agony 2 in superstring it’s my first time I should’ve stayed in a manifold everyone has better valks and better gear I’m so fried

[sweet flax]

what team are you using?

[junior knoll]

The classic fws rs vbm

[sweet flax]

its mainly this weather that you are cooked in

you dont have hitcount/freeze/range you are basically cooked against kalpas

[amber finch]

yeah you just got into a really ass weather for that team

[sweet flax]

also side note, agony 2 superstring is more crystals than agony in masters

[amber finch]

ranged - the entire team is meele
hitcount - you aint got any
rime - you dont have
kalpas has fire res - yeah your main dps is literally fire

[junior knoll]

I can only get like 4000

[quick birch]

have you tried the rotation you were given or is that still not enough ?

just to be sure who has their weapon in that team

[glad ice]

fws is half a year ago dont u pull anyone other

[copper marsh]

this ugly walk is best in slot for hle right, does she re run next patch os ir rec to get her for hle or not ?

[primal sandal]

ask

Where i can completing this 2 story?

[amber finch]

not recommend and we dont know

[copper marsh]

oh ok ty

[amber finch]

attack-->start--> story

[primal sandal]

Yeah which one?

[sweet flax]

the one in the pic

[amber finch]

if you're asking about the ones in the mission

then you need to complete the older p2 chapters before you get access to them if im not wrong

[ancient needle]

Nah, the system is dumb

You get access regardless of completion

[amber finch]

oh its just dumb huh

well that's funny

[ancient needle]

As a matter of fact the anchor in the main menu redirects to the latest chapter by default afaik

[amber finch]

ig go to p2 and just open the mission tab then choose the chapter you need to do for the event?

[ancient needle]

Which is ofc not ideal for newer players

[ancient needle]

Ye

[sweet flax]

its like p1, you can access chapter 1 (chapter 2 and 3 needs chapter 1 completion)
chapter 4-6
chapter 7-9 (needs completion of the previous)
chapter 10

[amber finch]

@primal sandal

[primal sandal]

So i need to completing other old story to acces mission story? Bruh :'

[amber finch]

you're abit late on that, read the convo and the ping

[amber finch]

funny

[primal sandal]

Tahnks, but ill wait my inet got better, my country succ

[amber finch]

wait asu i can clear the shop right

[sweet flax]

no idea, didnt count

[amber finch]

smh

[sweet flax]

we get another 660

wait no

another 900 in the next 2 weeks

forgot about the bp missions

[abstract sequoia]

is it spoiler if i ask if we have info from cn about that event?

[sweet flax]

which event? ||autochess?||

[abstract sequoia]

no, this

i have the same question

[sweet flax]

.

170 too short of full buy

I can recount rq tho just incase

[abstract sequoia]

110 short actually

in ches' case

he bought some ether fuel already

[sweet flax]

im gonna be missing 1 honkai shard

when I did my count

[abstract sequoia]

512 for remaining fuel, 100 for asterite, 400 for Spatials and 400 for torus

i need to count my stuff

its all over the place, i treated it as a mats shop

[novel path]

u mean is not recomended to pull her? or her weapon

[shell basin]

Not reccomended to pull her

But especially not reccomended if u can’t afford her weapon

Since without it she’s basically never bis

[novel path]

ok glad i didnt pull, was about too xD

thanks

[shell basin]

No problem

In general backpulls aren’t reccomended because you have a finite number of pulls and it’s better to pull for new battlesuits with their whole lifespan ahead of them

But also in this specific case ||FDD can’t support next patch valk very well||

[novel path]

is it worth buying the carnival pack that has dreamweaver and other suits in it?

[shell basin]

So it’s even bigger than normal

[shell basin]

It’s not very cost efficient but if you really love the characters I guess you could. Expensive tho

I’m a light spender and I didn’t buy it

[novel path]

yeah im a light spender as well im tempted just cause im missing so many valks

and im a collector xD

[shell basin]

You’ll get them in time

[abstract sequoia]

even borderline whales stayed away from that box

it's not worth it

[novel path]

alright good to know thanks ❤️

[shell basin]

Half of them are in reserve works already and the rest probably will be soon

[novel path]

about the reserve i got 27 bp medals, and i got mad pleasure already

should i save them for next bp?

[abstract sequoia]

you'd only do it for very high ranks on that valk and if you can't get those anywhere else

[shell basin]

If you can get her weapon it’s pretty good

[novel path]

got her weapon too

[shell basin]

She can support ||8.6 valkyrie||

[abstract sequoia]

thelema will stay around for 2 more patches

[shell basin]

Ah then yeah if you already have her weapon save em prolly

You could consider stamps if you need them next patch or it could be that you really want someone a few more patches down the line

[abstract sequoia]

maybe see what's next unless you have an urgent reason for thelema

[shell basin]

Really depends on a bunch of things we don’t know

[novel path]

what will be the 8.6 valk team?

[abstract sequoia]

||Wheel of Destiny||

[glad ice]

what the

[abstract sequoia]

||But we've just gotten CN v3 beta, so it's currently hard to tell how thelema would be useful with Rita||

[novel path]

ok thanks again

[abstract sequoia]

swing around in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion and keep up on the talk there if you want to know it early

[hardy lintel]

guys, while half awake i accidentally used the discounted ten pull on the begginers banner and got the yoyo girl (WHY COUNDT IT HAD BEEN SONGQUE
does she got any use rn?, should i get her weapon (if i can allow it), or did i just pull 1 unlucky lucky s rank that gonna be getting dusty on the shelf?

[shell basin]

She does

Not worth pulling but since you got her for free she can be a support

[hardy lintel]

clarify it was first 10 pull over there (now tempted to try get songque lmao)

[shell basin]

For any WoD or WS team that needs a third member. Probably mostly Memorial Arena cope

[abstract sequoia]

||8.6 valk has her as one of her potential best supports||

[hardy lintel]

cope is cope i guess xd

[shell basin]

But if you lack options for ||Rita next patch ||

[hardy lintel]

sena?

[shell basin]

Could be good there

[abstract sequoia]

even without weapon

yes sena

[shell basin]

Oh even wepless?

Cool

[abstract sequoia]

her breach is on the valk

[hardy lintel]

question are we allowed to mention leakes i saw online here or no?

[shell basin]

No

[abstract sequoia]

leaks or cn info?

[hardy lintel]

has the new valkery been offically revealed?

[shell basin]

Yes in Cn. So you can discuss it in spoilers

[storm lantern]

if u mean actual leaks no but cn is ahead and some beta versions are public info

[hardy lintel]

youtuber shorts end up spoiling everything nice thing on my life 😭

[shell basin]

Or go to CN discussion

[hardy lintel]

ok

[storm lantern]

if its in that channel it's fair game just spoiler it outside of there

[hardy lintel]

wait, but assuming you said that she could be a new support that means we already know who the new valkery is no?

[shell basin]

Yes. Which is why we were using spoiler tags

[hardy lintel]

i see

welp ill keep that in mind

oh well the thing i saw is lit the first thing in cn channe rsoooo all i know is depending if i like how it played or no may skip as im not fan of her character xd

[amber finch]

so true

too expensive for its worth even if you’re a collector

[storm lantern]

"borderline" u wouldnt know anything about that

[amber finch]

whats the max spending tokens you can get again

like 75k spent + dorm

[amber finch]

bc im super far away

[storm lantern]

exactly

[amber finch]

wait no im stupid thats so easily counterable

[amber finch]

fuckk

[storm lantern]

in the direction of being 🐳

[amber finch]

@storm lantern answer

[hardy lintel]

guys does thw shop where you buy with the star things from pulling like reset eveyr month? i mean like how often does coins worth shards for s rank valkeries change

[amber finch]

im too lazy to find the spending event image

[storm lantern]

i dont know

[amber finch]

the supply shop? not sure actually but its not monthly

[hardy lintel]

version maybe

[amber finch]

@abstract sequoia help

[amber finch]

also nope, longer

we were stuck with luna hohe for quite awhile

[hardy lintel]

i see

[amber finch]

i cant quite give an estimate since i never bothered checking when the stamps changes, i usually either buy them all or skip

[hardy lintel]

seen i got sena now, was considering maybe h=getting some, but seen i barely even got for 1, i may just save till i can get enough of a valkery to increase her rank

[amber finch]

if you cant even buy out all 5 stamps then dont bother yeah

[hardy lintel]

got it

[storm lantern]

sena ranks dont do anything as support until sss

[amber finch]

ss1 has like 1% more breach or smt if im not wrong

[hardy lintel]

welp that usefull info thanks

[abstract sequoia]

@sweet flax no 600+ days bonus

1040 for anything I'd want (can skip Honkai Shard and Phase Shifters)
560 left to get so i guess I'm good

[storm lantern]

ws only but its actually quite a bit more than that

[abstract sequoia]

even for full shop i'd need 870 huh

[sweet flax]

sss is 6% more total damage for the valk on field

[abstract sequoia]

that's so... lackluster

[sweet flax]

did hoyo... actually recommend the right team again this patch

[storm lantern]

sena s0 is already god so anything more just makes her giga broken

[abstract sequoia]

wait

what about the other teams

[storm lantern]

wtf dalaos

[amber finch]

ig her not needing any field time at all is just too good

[sweet flax]

hohe is also another good team

wtf

[abstract sequoia]

no thelema?

[hardy lintel]

dman it i got none of those 2 😭

[sweet flax]

gotta push their newer units

[amber finch]

that hohe team is wrong no?

[sweet flax]

ye mad wrong

[amber finch]

kek

[sweet flax]

but it still works

idk if hle is enough rime

[amber finch]

sw in the big 25 is crazy

[abstract sequoia]

i wonder how she'd score this time

[amber finch]

should have enough but you do no dmg and have no ari anyways without thel

[abstract sequoia]

+3 ari on hle wa i guess

or was that just goi

[amber finch]

that initial meteor farm is really huge for hohe

[abstract sequoia]

nevermind it's a leader skill

[abstract sequoia]

will try it for fun anyway

[dire cairn]

What's the best thing I can get here? These are my valks all with gear except Fu Hua plus Hofin with dkey. My only elf is 2 star kiana

My Thelema s2

[dusty tartan]

do these bundles show up often and are they generally worth it for low spenders?

[abstract sequoia]

what is usually your abyss rank

or your goal

also do you have bp?

[dire cairn]

Usually Redlotus or agony 3 but mostly agony 3 lately

[dire cairn]

No

Rn I'm Redlotus

Would Thelema stamps be good?

Since I have her s2 already

[abstract sequoia]

you can stomp everyone with s2 already

SS is less significant but has it's upsides

[dire cairn]

Yeah I think s2 is her biggest early spike

Because free combo on ult

[abstract sequoia]

and for kiaelf you want 3* anyway

[dire cairn]

What are Sena ranks?

[dire cairn]

Should I get Kiana then?

[abstract sequoia]

all dps upgrades except SS1 and SSS

[abstract sequoia]

you're 1 stamp short if you go for thelema's

from SS

[twin slate]

imo they are always a lot more worth than crystals anyways

[dire cairn]

Is her ss a power spike?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

#👶beginner-help message

[dire cairn]

How many stamps would I need?

5

[abstract sequoia]

yes 5

25 per rank

for kiaelf 3* i believe you need to buy 100 elf frags

double check that though

[dire cairn]

If I pull a little more I can get her 5th stamp

Maybe I can do that

For ss Thelema

13 days for 2k crystals should be doable

[abstract sequoia]

you really don't need it

unless you want to compete in nirvana on her own cycles

[dire cairn]

Yeah but I might as well get it since the other options are only the elf, the mats and sena who doesn't seem to have much use

[abstract sequoia]

like I said earlier, s2 already stomps redlotus

[abstract sequoia]

an elf that's a very good sidegrade to dreamseeker starting at 3*

stellar outburst buffs for fire and lightning are massive

[dire cairn]

Is it still a side grade for fire and lightning at 3 star?

[abstract sequoia]

that's where she starts being useable

sidegrade because situational

[dire cairn]

Is 4 star a significant upgrade?

Over dreamseeker

[abstract sequoia]

eh not really, on paper

[dire cairn]

So even at 4 star it's a minor upgrade?

[abstract sequoia]

4* is extra tdm

the thing is you get that tdm unconditionally

so it buffs non-so too

[dire cairn]

Do elf stars also increase the stats for dorm expeditions?

I currently can't do the crystal dorm expeditions

[abstract sequoia]

no

[abstract sequoia]

and the way redlotus usually has 1 SO bosses, the initial ARI nerf isn't that bad

45 vs 50 from DS

you're SOing near the end anyway

if you play right

[dusty tartan]

Do I have to use the Carnival Supply Cards in 1 hr? I didn't realize they were separate pulls.

[dire cairn]

Alright I'll consider getting the elf then

Thx

[glad ice]

if u play left

[abstract sequoia]

no problem, trust me it's a good choice

I've had her on 3* for ages and she got me great scores even when i lacked atk

made her 4* this patch

[hardy lintel]

guys question, seen i aint getting BD kiana weapon, what a good f2p alternative

[shell basin]

There's no good f2p alternative

you can use waxing if you already have it, but if you don't just use shamash

that one has a reason to slowly get to level 50 anyway and doesnt take honkai shards and is better than nothing

[glad ice]

eden's weap work well as a sup, but u re not likely to own that if u re newbie

[hardy lintel]

thx

[shell basin]

other pistols could see use if for whatever reason you have them leveled

like eden. But you probably wont

[hardy lintel]

thx

[abstract sequoia]

do they have an expire date? you can check under equip in the main menu

[dusty tartan]

no expire date

[dire cairn]

Where can I see what affixes every valk needs?

Is it almost always atk?

Would the symbiosis valks ever want an sp affix?

Or something similar

[sweet flax]

Carnival tickets dont expire, the limited 10 free pull tickets do

[dusty tartan]

Oh ok, thanks. I didn't realize they were a separate pull currency but whatever, at least I only bought 5 total.

[sweet flax]

You're better off not buying them anyways, carnival is a crystal sink if you spend crystals and get nothing

[quick birch]

for elemental valks it's almost always attack yes, for physical it's usually a mix of cmdg and atk though it depends on your dkey attack how big the diff is, also the diff isnt that huge to begin with. There have been some very niche and rare things like running SP affixes on sparkle or some max SP lines on symbioses supports though those strats are really really niche and nothing worth going out of your way for. Regarding the symbioses support strat this has now also become obsolete since we have chenxue which does the same and more.

[dire cairn]

Alright so should I just always go for atk and not bother further

[glad ice]

symbiosis need sp? i thought their ult is free

[quick birch]

for the most part this has been the case for quite some time now yeah

[dire cairn]

Ok thx

[quick birch]

it was some niche strat since paws initial SO SP scales of her max SP which is calculated with the whole teams max SP, you needed like 30 SP after 3/4 SP regen moves and you could skip that extra qte/WA with that, as said super super niche and most of the time you wanted the dmg anyway.

I just wanted to bring it up since it was a rare case of running something else than atk but you would practically never really encounter that situation these days

[dusty tartan]

Is it even realistic to go for the carnival banner as a light spender/new player?

[lone crater]

if u got lucky on the char, then u potentially can for the weap

[shadow gyro]

no aside from the free pulls, they've just reruns with a limited time and a vanishing pity if you don't get what you want
the only justification would be someone whose got a surplus and got lucky on the valk and want weapon or something
but that still pulling on a rerun which isn't a proper investment

[dusty tartan]

Yeah, makes sense, and the carnival battlesuit supply cards won't help in that situation

[thorny belfry]

pity on this banner carries over, yes?

[ancient needle]

Yes, but "building pity" is not a good idea generally speaking

I assume you wanna hit a spending event threshold?

[thorny belfry]

yup

[ancient needle]

Probably for Thele, yes? How many pulls do you need to do? Cuz if it's a lot (more than 15-20) it becomes too risky

[thorny belfry]

its like 9 or 8

why isnt building pity a good idea tho

[ancient needle]

Because if you do get the valk you'll be in an awkward spot because of her being weapless

If you do get the weap you might hinder your future pulls

[thorny belfry]

oh so i usually should pull weapon as well? 😭

[ancient needle]

Yes, they're the norm here

[ancient needle]

That's fine

[thorny belfry]

i mean i could spend my pulls on elysia banner since i already have her and her weapon

i suppose its a better idea

[ancient needle]

Now hold on

Do you alr have FDD?

[thorny belfry]

nope

[ancient needle]

Then if you're lacking supports you can dump 10 pulls on her
For the price you pay it will still be good value even without weap

Issues arise at higher costs

[thorny belfry]

i see

btw i pulled kiana for my elysia

from carnival supply

so i should still pul fdd?

[ancient needle]

Well, do you have other Symbiosis valks with weaps? If not, yes

[thorny belfry]

yeah i dont, ill pull for fdd then

[dry shadow]

Is it normal that I can't renovate? I've filled every category with the furniture that gives the most of the yellow smileys, other than the ones that cost crystals, but it's still 4 short
(Also is there even any benefit to doing this or am I just wasting coins?)

[spiral badge]

!faq comfort

[small willow]

Dorm Comfort

Let's get building, Captain!

Click here to see the more in-depth guide from TencentDimepiece!

It is not worth buying the Beach Dorm. It is not worth increasing your Comfort beyond 2400 because the Onigiri regen is 17/h until 4800 Comfort then it become 18/h, which needs the Beach Dorm anyway.

If you want to know the secret to farming Honkai Blocks (please never spend coins on Dorm materials), [click here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

you can see at the bottom you need 1110 comfort to renovate but you only have 1106 at the top

the way comfort works is based on

• not what you have placed down
• rather it's your current furniture limits of your current renovation level and...
• what you have in your inventory (displayed or not)

and the main idea of improving comfort is getting the highest comfort furniture within your renovation limits

[dry shadow]

Oh

[spiral badge]

so to put this more specifically, how many large beds can you place down in each room?

and have you bought that many halloween beds?

[dry shadow]

So I can just craft one more and it will fill up despite me not placing anything?

[spiral badge]

yes

[dry shadow]

4

[spiral badge]

uh i don't know which that number is referring to

[dry shadow]

Oh you mean in each individually

My bad

[spiral badge]

so let's say you can put 2 beds in one room, 2 in another, and 1 in the last room

the total beds you can place down is 5

the highest comfort bed is halloween so you want to mainly buy those

you don't need to place them down but to maximize comfort from the bed category, you would buy 5

buying any further bed isn't going to count towards comfort until a renovation level increases your cap of beds somewhere

[dry shadow]

Got it

Thank you

[spiral badge]

keep in mind coins isn't the only way to achieve this

and it's quite a costly way to do so

!faq lego

[small willow]

Honkai Blocks

Let's get building, Captain!

Honkai Blocks are used to buy Blueprints (furniture to place in the Dorm), which increase your Dorm Comfort.

Also see !faq comfort regarding Dorm Comfort

[spiral badge]

as for purpose of doing this, you get more onigiri regen for dorm errands but overall it's not a strong priority

and ofc as you increase renovation you can put down more stuff for purely aesthetics/self satisfaction

[dry shadow]

Thank you very much

[spiral badge]

oh i realized i worded this weirdly

because halfway through i decided to bullet point it. hang on

ok sorry i fixed it. that must've been confusing

[dry shadow]

It's okay, don't worry :)

[ocean scroll]

How do i farm crystals?

[torpid orbit]

regular sources are:

• Abyss: twice a week, revenue depends on performance (high prio)
• Elysian Realm: 500 a week
• Memorial Arena (a little bit, relatively negligible)
• Dailies (don’t remember how much)
• Battle Pass rewards give crystals at certain levels

[midnight kettle]

is it this one ?

what is elysia realm ?

[rose steppe]

hi, i heard that FDD is one of the only valks worth backpulling but not sure if it's true. should i be trying for her? i have all of elysia's equipment.

my favourite valk is ||rita|| though and i saw she had what looks like a new battlesuit on in some art on the hi3 twitter page, so if FDD isn't gamechanging value i'd probably prefer to save for ||rita||. but im willing to make a meta decision if she's a big deal

[wispy aurora]

It worth grabbing HoFi from BP shop and pulling her DKey with the rerun later this patch?

[spiral badge]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

second link is missable sources

[spiral badge]

!faq cof

[small willow]

How to find "Covenant of Finality"

Sorry for the confusion, Captain!

Part 2 of the Main Story will unlock at level 30. Both "Covenant of Finality" and "Genealogical Seat" are part of this storyline.

Main Menu (Bridge) > Attack > Story > Extinguished Starlight and Rekindled Fire > Tides of Time gone by > Click the image to Play!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

Elysian Realm is a gamemode that unlocks at captain level 50.

Story wise, people would recommend going into it after(?) chapter 25.

Gameplay wise, you pick a solo valk to use whose gameplay may be altered and go through various floors getting various buffs.

Reward wise, it's a huge source of crystals, some that you can get anytime once, and others that are more time limited (500 weekly)

[spiral badge]

First of all please revise your statement to spoiler tag ( || on both sides) of the next valk's identity. It's not officially revealed in the global clients of the game yet.

[lone tide]

i remember darwin was bad and i wanted 2 of the fu hua musician ones no? which are they

[rose steppe]

Oh sorry, I didn't know that info was different per region

[spiral badge]

Beware of reposting info from social media here without checking it. The info can still be straight false or be actual leaks that's subject to change. This is still an official server so leaks are not tolerated.

To check if info is fine to post or not, you can consult pins in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion but info there should be spoiler tagged here.

Do not post story of any kind either since other beginners are here

uh FDD is fine though but anyway

FDD is a controversial backpull target currently.

The reasons why they favor her is because as a support she provides breach to the team that's often the best general kind of support and sees top uses in many scenarios.

However I don't recommend this because even if she's the best, she's not best by much. You can get by with other things that are suitable to her same support roles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjkdlsyUKvI

if you're meta f2p then your crystal income is limited but you want to pull with the aim of longevity and wide coverage.

[lone tide]

meta wise pulling the most recent valk is always gonna be better value, so if u like upcoming valk it's absolutely yes save for her over backpulling anyone (especially if you're f2p)

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if as a support other options can be close and usable enough compared to FDD, i rather you save your crystals for future releases instead that have greater immediate relevance and uses, and possibly longer longevity (I can't guarantee this though. We're not seers after all)

but anyway at that point the greater highlights of FDD are her dps use cases. However a valk's dps scenarios are greatest on release and we're already past that

[rose steppe]

I see, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for explaining @spiral badge @lone tide

[spiral badge]

overall it's controversial and there's validity to both sides

[rose steppe]

I will save

Just glad to hear I'm not missing anything currently irreplaceable

[midnight kettle]

Thankk you for explaining

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if you're

• paying real money and can spare budget without compromising future releases
• or if you're very fixated on specific meta scenarios
• or if you really want to make some particular team fdd is involved in "a general best" (no guarantees)
• if you're new and really itching to rush to make certain teams more playable sooner than later
• or if you just like fdd

i can prob give a bunch of other nuanced cases but overall there's way to justify her if you must

[lone tide]

priority one in games:

• have fun

[spiral badge]

no. Is there anything more you can elaborate for this?

[spiral badge]

typically MB

[wispy aurora]

Got nothing to else to use my BP mats on got 54 right now?

[rose steppe]

I do like her playstyle but she's definitely not as important to me as my favourite, and I'd rather spend as little as possible anyway

[lone tide]

gotcha ty

[midnight kettle]

to do chapter one quest i have to play arcades games ?

[spiral badge]

i will say at the highest meta level of the game even the more minor difference can be significant, so in that sense FDD can become important that way over other options

but for most people's intents and purposes at an RL level i really don't think this is a strong enough justification

[spiral badge]

• you got all the dkeys?
• do you buy bp? what about anything else being added next or future patches?
• it's not a bad idea to keep a decent stock handy in case you need to spend a ton at once
• have you checked upcoming valk info in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins?
• are you fixated on specific high meta cases?

[spiral badge]

sometimes there's minigames in various modes of the game including story

[wispy aurora]

Missing SOE-AE, Brick and XY
BP Knight?
Fairs
I have and am pulling
Would help in certain weathers, I guess

[rose steppe]

Yeah I'm mostly playing casually at least for now, with just a slight meta focus when it revolves around building teams for my favourites

It seems like FDD is unlikely to be an old HoS situation based on how close in performance she is to alternatives, back when I played for a couple months like four years ago I remember HoS being irreplaceable in phys teams for a very long time. But it's been a while so could be wrong. So I wasn't sure if I'd be 'forced' to pull FDD in the same way, but it sounds like that's not the case

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soeae is being added to reserve next patch. Check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins.

yeah. So lantern next patch but also these orbs are permanent so anything else shortly after lantern's release in later patches too.

ok well ||there's concerns of next valk overlapping with hofi's dps cases and possibly powercreeping her in those areas||

you're being too vague. Please make sure you understand the details of what hofi offers.

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yeah i would say nowadays p2 has been more balanced compared to p1. There are still scenarios that higly emphasizes one over others though but those scenarios are few in the grand scheme of things anyway

HoV, HoS, and HoT have definitely been polarizing releases

but also if you're being more casual then my meta recommendations apply less to you

so feel free to exercise your own judgment

[rose steppe]

Okay great to know. Thanks again!!

[spiral badge]

loosely speaking SD valks and any valks with team breach are of higher emphasis imo but

generally speaking as long as you play regularly and pick up most new releases you'll float fine enough in the meta

[rose steppe]

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@wispy aurora for hofi

• img fire dps with trio team
• supports hoo dps
  • but again ||the above two are questionable value now||
• **supports WS teams. one of the best at it partly because she can buff without needing an enemy. **Stellar draining is inconvenient as a result but not all fights need it or she can find some convenient opportunity to do it.
• supports RoO teams
• cope ignite utility on her BA
• +10 atk dkey

[long snow]

what affixes does thelema want on her stigmatas?

[spiral badge]

relevant atk affixes

by relevant i mean ones that actually work on her

obviously don't give her psy atk when she's a mech valk

[long snow]

yuh oki

[spiral badge]

tbh all p2 valks nowadays just want atk (or cdmg for phys non bleed)

[long snow]

thank you!!

[spiral badge]

thele actually did have one case where she appreciated sp regen but that was highly specific and no longer relevant

[long snow]

lets say i get affixes for weapon dmg, is the name chained blades gonna appear or is it in some other type

under a different name

[spiral badge]

yes chained blades

[long snow]

oki

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@wispy aurora edited
for any f2p meta player this wouldn't be justified enough

but if you're a spender with a spare budget and want to contest in nirvana more then i think it's a bit more fair

[wispy aurora]

I'll try and grab her from Standard banner

[spiral badge]

what lol

the odds are way too low for that. I more recommend you spending your dorm tickets for primarily spending event benefits

but ok up to you

[upper fog]

Yall

Should I max a divine key or get a 4/4 new character

[spiral badge]

can you be more specific

divine keys can refer to many different things of different sources

and new character may refer to HLE or the upcoming new valk

[upper fog]

Okay

[spiral badge]

so there's a huge range of what you could be referring to

[upper fog]

Should I max flawless benediction or get 4/4 next patch Valkyrie

[spiral badge]

so what kind of focus do you have?

[upper fog]

I can’t say the name yk

[spiral badge]

the cost of these two are not equal first of all

[upper fog]

as ..?

[spiral badge]

are you meta focused? or more casual focus? do you have specific goals?

a full valk at worst can cost like 40k crystals

meanwhile a weapon is only going to cost roughly 17k at worst

which is pretty obvious since a full valk includes a weapon lol

but anyway

part of why i'm asking is because i see you have an ely pfp

meta f2p wise, flawless benediction is highly not recommended at this point

[upper fog]

What

[spiral badge]

so the answer should be obvious but it's clear you're struggling

[upper fog]

[spiral badge]

and i don't want to give an answer that forces the meta on you if that's not what you're playing the game for

i need to know what kind of goals you personally have to give you an answer that suits you

[upper fog]

okay first I played this game for 3 years but quit after part 2 came out and I have been a meta player since but I lost my acc so I opened a new acc to give a chance to the game but since I KNOW how bad it was to be a meta player im kind of not sure to be a meta player or just a casual player

[pine bison]

should i pull for coralie?

[upper fog]

But still pretty women is my focus at the end of the day and maxing them is fun

[spiral badge]

@pine bison

can read the discussion here

[upper fog]

so yeah I’m kind of not sure ? Because part 2 has a different nature

What would you recommend?

[spiral badge]

there's always an inbetween you can aim for but nobody can really decide for you how you should approach the game. You need to think about your own values and find your own balance

what i can at least do is give you more information on each side

[upper fog]

Yeah that would be helpful

[pine bison]

hm i dont think that discussion is really suited for my acc since i am a returnee/beginner

[spiral badge]

it is though

if you didn't pull fdd on release and you're not a whale and/or have highly specific interests that concerns her, i'm not going to recommend her for the reasons i described there

for a f2p long term meta developing player, it's arguably not worth it

[spiral badge]

first of all i want to know do you understand how the new p2 system works (astral ring)

[upper fog]

Yea its a type to type thing right ?

[pine bison]

hm i understand, i just thought because in only have 3 part 2 valkyries it would make sense to pull her but i iwll trust you

[spiral badge]

it's a leader ring type to support tag matching system basically

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

give the last link a brisk to refresh your memory

[upper fog]

Also heard everybody can be a support / dps but the leader should be in first place

[spiral badge]

but i will be talking about hohe's ring type and tags

yeah

[upper fog]

okay yeah heard it but I don’t know the details

[spiral badge]

well go through the last link first then since the details are there

otherwise if i start talking about hohe as an loa support you're not going to understand anything

if you need me to talk about it anew here i would mostly be parroting (i wrote that post)

which i don't mind but i mean... lol

[upper fog]

Wait also by doing the lore I heard we would get more of these correct me if I am wrong

[spiral badge]

lore isn't truly an indicator of anything but yes they hinted at more future ring types

[upper fog]

Wait imma read and come back

[spiral badge]

feel free to ask if there's anything you don't get

[upper fog]

Kk

[spiral badge]

i would argue it makes even less sense then. You don't need the "best" potential she offers when you're that early on and you're getting a valk that's possibly going to fall off the meta sooner

[pine bison]

yeah that actually makes more sene

sense

[spiral badge]

do you have any particular focuses or interests in coming back to the game btw?

[pine bison]

i will skip her then
another question, i just got love elfs bow, what should i do with my pulls now, just save?

[upper fog]

Im so lost..

[spiral badge]

yeah just save

[spiral badge]

assuming you have hle valk too

[pine bison]

hle was who again

[spiral badge]

hi love elf

you said love elf so i didn't think i would need to elaborate lol sorry

[pine bison]

ah yeah got her first and now the weapon hahahaha

[upper fog]

I didn’t understand should I read again or just watch a YouTube video that explains

[spiral badge]

the youtube video is there too but hang on and let me boot up the game

[pine bison]

clearing endgame building chars etc

[spiral badge]

first of all you already understand the leader is now the dps and the other slots are supports

do you understand how every new valk has

• one ring type
• multiple tags

[upper fog]

Nope nope

[spiral badge]

@pine bison hm i feel you may not understand what hi3's endgame actually is. Maybe this conversation can help

but overall it's not something that you just "clear"

[spiral badge]

the first part of my guide shows how to look that up

https://i.imgur.com/kNeHgOY.png

so if you look at this screen of the valk menu

look at the left middle side below her name where all the icons are

look for the second row with the big blue icon

[upper fog]

Wait u mean in stellar outburst there is either nothing happens u still attack with ur Valkyrie but then there are ones that when they enter it they have to click to the 2 characters in the right to damage with exclusive animation??

[spiral badge]

you're jumping too far ahead. We're not talking about battle yet

let's just focus on putting together the team for now. None of the outburst stuff is going to happen properly if you don't do this right

[upper fog]

Uh oh okay imma log in to the game and listen to you

[upper fog]

I also want to take a look

Oh okay I see Valkyrie boltstorm has one but hle has multiple?

[spiral badge]

VBs has one tag and HLE has mulitple tags yes

but both have one big blue icon. one ring type each

so back in part 1 you understand the idea of one dps and two supports right? and how most teams are centered on a specific element?

so one ice dps, and two ice supports

[upper fog]

They are world star / rite of oblivion and the others symbol right ?

[upper fog]

Yes yes I ve been in the struggle but people said now its removed

[spiral badge]

in part 2, elements are still in the game but they're not really part of the team building process anymore

instead replace elements with these ring types and tags

so one ring type dps (that is also the leader)
two tagged supports that matches the dps

[upper fog]

Okay okay who goes with who

[spiral badge]

every ring type has a matching tag

[upper fog]

No which ring goes with ring ?

[spiral badge]

so going back to what you said earlier

nope

ring type > tag

not ring type > ring type

[upper fog]

My god

[spiral badge]

alot of newer players think p2 is all about putting three of the same ring types on the team but this isn't correct

[upper fog]

Okay

[upper fog]

I never thought that tho

[spiral badge]

so this part you kinda just need to know and it's pretty unintuitive

[upper fog]

I thought idk types go with specific types but I had no idea

[spiral badge]

i didn't say you btw. Just wanted to get rid of that idea preemptively because even if you don't think that now, it's common to fall into it

[upper fog]

Huh

[upper fog]

I see I see thank u still

[spiral badge]

so you're basically going to need to learn a bunch of meaningless names and what they pair with

so world star ring type matches with domain resonance tag

so if we set helia as our leader dps

her ring type is world star

for the remaining slots we want valks with the domain resonance tag

if you're in the game right now, click the filter icon at the bottom left side (higher icon)

and you will see this https://i.imgur.com/lxkxQIe.png

[upper fog]

Hmmm

[upper fog]

I am there rn looking ^^

Don’t tell me rite goes with Omni

[spiral badge]

rite is a weirder one but an RoO team generally wants that yes

let's stay away from that now and i'll get back to it later

[upper fog]

Kk

[spiral badge]

but yeah you can just look downward for each

[upper fog]

Really??? Yippie

[spiral badge]

(although that trick prob won't work once they add a new ring type)

anyway let's look at one of the elysias next

[upper fog]

Oh well damn

[upper fog]

Hle or hohe

[spiral badge]

so if i go back to this one

which is HLE

[upper fog]

Mhm

[spiral badge]

clicking on the big blue icon will bring up this

https://i.imgur.com/jXGvF3L.png

i don't expect you to memorize icons so doing it this way is how you can find out what they are

so HLE has a grail ring type

at the bottom you can see the matching tag for it is symbiosis

[upper fog]

Oh my god they already tell us ??

How did I not think to click it

[spiral badge]

if you back out and click on the tag (smaller icons) you'll see what valks have it (or use the filter menu

https://i.imgur.com/A5uOavR.png

[upper fog]

[spiral badge]

tbf alot of people also didn't think to click the big sena picture for early part 2 story

but i digress

we understand it's not intuitive so don't beat yourself up

[upper fog]

Dammnn who would have thought

[upper fog]

Okay okay

[spiral badge]

but yeah hle dps team is mainly hle leader and any two symbiosis valks for her main functions

(technically i think hle can get away with 1 because of how she goes into negative sp but let's focus generally for now)

anyway we can look at hohe next

so hohe as a leader is wheel of destiny

for supports you want harmonized shadow star supports

[upper fog]

Wait

I have a specific question I noticed

[upper fog]

I noticed this when playing her why does she go into negative sp and is she the only one who can do this

[spiral badge]

yeah it's specific to her

[upper fog]

I was confused

[upper fog]

Oh well

[spiral badge]

not really a general team building thing. It does make HLE team building more lenient though

[upper fog]

Okay u can continue

[spiral badge]

so on top of having different supports, every ring type as a leader has a different playstyle

so going back to grail (HLE) that leader wants to spend alot of sp to cast alot of ults

[upper fog]

Is vita the best harmonized shadow support?? People always put her in teams

[spiral badge]

no

[upper fog]

right right

[spiral badge]

she is a very specialized one at SS rank because that rank lets her restore a ton of outburst energy (astral ring intensity) at once

but also these are very specific cases that really isn't something to focus on for now

[upper fog]

I see

[spiral badge]

meanwhile hohe is wheel which during outburst aims to keep her out on the field without swapping (the swap buttons are replaced with assisting phantom buttons)

[upper fog]

Rightt that was what I was saying I saw this

[spiral badge]

and the tagged supports are important because they provide core benefits to that playstyle

[upper fog]

Hmm

[spiral badge]

so symbiosis restores alot more sp to the team to help the grail leader ult more

phantoms in wheel of destiny provide an effect called rondo in the shadow which lets the leader do more for their actions (like double meter regen)

and shadow star supports lets them have a longer rondo time

[upper fog]

Is that why badum is put in hle s teams

[spiral badge]

yeah she has symbiosis

there's more to it obviously

[upper fog]

Wowwww

[spiral badge]

we have alot of tagged valks for a particular ring type but some do stand out over others (like the vita thing i said) but that's out of scope for now

but overall matching leader ring type to support tags is the main idea

[upper fog]

Impressiveee

[spiral badge]

if you don't have enough tags, you can use RoO (omniscient star tag) valks. They will at least give partial benefits (activating leader skill)

[upper fog]

Wow they really thought it through its looking fun now

[spiral badge]

yeah so the magic of this system is you can form many teams from only a few valks

if you look at their ring type and tags, hohe and hle actually can support each other

hohe has symbiosis tag for hle's grail ring type
while hle has the shadow star tag for hohe's wheel ring type