👶beginner-help

[upper laurel]

Like is there any reason not to do this?

[quick birch]

probably elf boxes, you won't be able to unlock any elf with that but the end goal is to unlock + at least 3* kia elf through spending events/other events that give elf frags since kia elf can situationally be better than DS in fire end lightning teams

[amber finch]

to hide your true strength and make relatable refs on youtube

[quick birch]

no not really

[upper laurel]

not really? or, like, defintiely no, with confidance? because I'd rather not make a mistake in this million currency game

[outer spruce]

no, do it

[amber finch]

ok, do you want to be stronger?

[outer spruce]

there's no downside

[amber finch]

if not then dont rank your valk up, if yes then rank your valk up

easy as that

[upper laurel]

thank you jahjab

[mossy lotus]

Why i cant pri arm HoRb dk? Should i tune it? A bit confused because it is my first dk

[cold niche]

Is there a specific way to do Elysian realm to get max score?

[outer spruce]

you have to tune it to pri arm it

[cold niche]

I’d be using dragon coralie

[outer spruce]

raise the difficulty to get a higher score in elysian realm

[upper laurel]

Ah. So the new event is Vampire Survivors. I dig it.

[mossy lotus]

Thanks

[cold niche]

Do we have to have the valk completely leveled? Coralie is lv 15 in the thing, she’s lv 80 rn. Also what should I choose from here?

[outer spruce]

you don't have to do finality difficulty, you can do the difficulty below that for max score

[outer spruce]

get both 15 point buffs, and no you don't need to have the valk completely leveled to do it

[cold niche]

Any suggestions for the emblem selection thing?

[outer spruce]

there's an elysian realm guide in the pins if you need help picking signets and sigils

[cold niche]

Ohhh kk tyy

[mossy lotus]

Stats doesnt matter on valks in elysia realm?

[outer spruce]

elysian realm automatically makes your characters level 80 with all skills unlocked

[amber finch]

gears matter more

[mossy lotus]

So u still need weapon and stigmatas

[amber finch]

you can still clear with a weapless p2 valk, just that it wont be fun

[mossy lotus]

I was thinking about how to do it for crystall on p1 valks, just clear 1.5x difficulty?

[amber finch]

spam lite and finalize when you’ve killed the first boss

[outer spruce]

if you just want to clear to get the 500 weekly crystals, just do abstinence difficulty, don't have to do finality

[mossy lotus]

I was taking about one time rewards for valks, no problem with weekly clears

[tulip chasm]

What’s the go to valk for ER rn?

[mossy lotus]

Ty for info

[amber finch]

anyone who’s p2, im seeing alot of 1:20 thel clears

[outer spruce]

oh then yeah, just do lite, beat the first boss then quit and finalize over and over

[tulip chasm]

Is sena usable?

[amber finch]

yes, she’s p2 (i’d just use A helia or A coralie over her)

literal er queens

[tulip chasm]

Helia build in the spreadsheet is weird. Why build kalpas without hp consumption?

[amber finch]

br as a support will drain the life out of your helia dont worry

[tulip chasm]

Meant coralie. Sorry.

[amber finch]

same thing

[tulip chasm]

Ok

[upper laurel]

oh, i got one of the stigmata that is of the character im pulling. thats good right?

like, im assuming these characters bis stigmatas is just themselves? XD

[storm lantern]

getting the full set is good but they're craftable so it doesnt matter much

its just -1 prism if you only get one type of stigma pulling weapon

[upper laurel]

yeah makes sense

Oh! They keep the currency shops open for a week so you dont miss out if you forget. Thast actually really neat. Well, what should I get here

[flat grove]

are home materials only obtainable for coins?

[upper oracle]

Is horb new weap/stig worth

[storm lantern]

as a new player prisms

[upper laurel]

This?

[storm lantern]

no you can farm them daily by claiming a bp mission then going to dorm and clicking on a chibi up to i think 7 times

[storm lantern]

yeah, other option is wafer stabilizers but they're going to be useful way later than prisms

[upper oracle]

Like who's she good for/supports

[storm lantern]

decently strong ws support weak goi support, niche dps

you're also going to get atk gapped because a lot of people have ranks on horb

[upper oracle]

Ah

So prob a skip for me?

• ely

[storm lantern]

no you should get her dkey

weak goi support is still very significantly better than not having one

[upper oracle]

Ah

[upper oracle]

Do I get stigs too?

Or wait it's craft able

Right?

[storm lantern]

yeah

[upper oracle]

Aight bet

[quick birch]

they have one

but having 2 still is nice

[tame nebula]

is crit rate waste on her?

[quick birch]

you don't really build crit rate on anyone

[outer spruce]

we don't build crit rate in this game

[tame nebula]

alright thank you 🙏

[lyric anvil]

Crit rate affix is garbage

[frozen crypt]

The crit rate value isn't even a % increase

!faq crt

[small willow]

Understanding Critical Hit Rate and Damage

Allow me to explain, Captain!

[Click here](#💁gameplay-help message) for the explanation of CRT, Crit Rate, and Crit Damage!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frozen crypt]

If you wanna hear how crit rate is calculated it should be in there

[tame nebula]

dafuq this game wants me to build crit rate more lmao

[frozen crypt]

[lyric anvil]

HoRb with her DKey has enough crit rate

[tame nebula]

oh wait wrong pic

lol

[frozen crypt]

Wow that's hilariously sad

[lyric anvil]

Changed to a lower crit rate

[opal palm]

is it worth it to topup for this or are other things (like the welkin equivalent?) are better anyway

[sweet flax]

cost effective whaling pin covers the general idea, but this bundle is one of the better ones, only issue is its time limited and more costly than something like bp or monthly card

[opal palm]

thanks! didnt check pins ill look at that rn

[sweet flax]

keep in mind you are mainly getting it for the crystals, not for elysia

at most consider elysia an extra 620 crystals from elysian realm

[storm lantern]

if you have a visa card there's a 20% discount this patch, not sure when it ends but last patch it ended fairly early

[upper oracle]

Do I need to activate that or opt in or smth?

[sweet flax]

on the official top up site

[upper oracle]

Ah ok

[sweet flax]

automatically applied

[cold niche]

should i do the ceiling break?

[sweet flax]

generally speaking there's no downside, but if you wanna be 100% sure before going through with it, do send a picture of your current units

just in the off chance you will end up with less crystals

[cold niche]

Uh I’m grinding for hle rn

[sweet flax]

what's your current hle pity like?

[cold niche]

i got 40 mroe pulls

and 40 pulls on weapon

like that is until i get guaranteed

[sweet flax]

are you saving 11.2k crystals between your hle pulls or as soon as 280 crystals you pull?

[cold niche]

im saving

[sweet flax]

good luck with your pulls, id breakthrough then

[cold niche]

tyyy

[sweet flax]

hle fdd vbm is already a fairly strong team for retaining a3/bouncing rl

which is a lot more crystals you would've gotten compared to masters

[cold niche]

i was looking at it and its like 13k or something right? lots of crystals

[covert basin]

is there no soft pity in p2

[sweet flax]

the main thing to keep in mind is that q-manifold masters redlotus is 420 crystals per week (360 in agony)
post breakthrough, superstring dimension agony 3 is 420 crystals and redlotus is 500 crystals per week

[sweet flax]

no officially announced/confirmed soft pity
data suggests one starts around 76 pity but that is speculated to just be cumulative pity data so take it with a grain of salt

you are more likely to hit hard pity in this game btw, so always be prepared for that

[covert basin]

like in p2 compared to p1 or

[cold niche]

ooo thats really nice

[sweet flax]

im talking about p2 in general

[covert basin]

yeah but when you say more likely

like more likely than part 1? idt i ever hit hard pity in p1

[sweet flax]

I mean that in p1 or p2 you are almost garunteed to hit hard pity

[covert basin]

oh weird maybe i was js lucky in p1 then

[sweet flax]

it applies to both, but the main idea is that pull data in p2 hinted at a possible soft pity

[covert basin]

idt i ever hit hard pity before p2

[sweet flax]

whether this is just a false flag or not is not confirmed anywhere by hoyo

[covert basin]

alr

[shy kiln]

are there any stages i can use to practice SO rotation

[sweet flax]

different player different experience, hence why there is always an average to reference back to
for example ive never gotten an early in the years I played this game (excluding this patch) but a vast amount of players did so I cant just say "oh because it happened to me it will happen to everyone"

[covert basin]

yeah idk

[sweet flax]

well anyways, here's hoping your luck remains good for the forseeable future xd

[cold niche]

when i played years ago i would never get anythign early

[naive pivot]

so how much of an improvement is 4 star kiana, don't think there's really much else for me to get in spending event unless s2 sena or thelema are worth getting

[covert basin]

lol im ab to hit hard pity on new valk but whatever

[sweet flax]

are you talking about kiaelf or...

[opal palm]

thinking of topping up 30$ bchip pack to get the level rush and discounted tickets + maybe one of the level bundles? or shld i save the remaining?

[naive pivot]

yeah that's why i said stars

[sweet flax]

oh fair, ig im just sleepy and didnt notice xd
4* kiaelf is mostly a sidegrade/situationally better than ds in some specific scenarios

[calm dove]

its okay, i hit hard pity on hle too right on 90th pull HAHAHAHA but weapon game me grace i hit the weapon within 15 pulls

[covert basin]

idk it happens p sure i hit hard pity on songque banner

[naive pivot]

how much better is it compared to 3 star, my memeseeker is only S so it was already winning for fire/lightning teams at least

[sweet flax]

to be honest its slightly better than 3* (better enough to be more of a consideration on close comparison) but I have no idea of the numbers themselves, could try asking the players in #💁gameplay-help

[opal palm]

actually maybe i just top up the 7$ cuz level rush is not that good?

[naive pivot]

[sweet flax]

what exactly is your goal from spending

just so I can get a general idea

[opal palm]

just want more crystals/tickets to gacha more ig

[sweet flax]

do you have competitive goals?

[opal palm]

nope

[sweet flax]

level rush is a decent bundle for crystals, id get it
since you arent competitive, I dont see a reason to recommend the battle pass over any of the bchip bundles
monthly card is the best crystal to price purchase available for how cheap it is, just have to be patient with daily log in
level bundles also have amazing values

depending on what your budget it id prioritise level rush and monthly card over anything else

if you have competitive goals id get the battle pass to take advantage of the bonus crystallums and unlock divine keys for account wide stats

[opal palm]

im the kind of person who gets welkin whenever i feel like i want it then stop
would topping up bchip and buying level rush still be worth if im not planning on getting monthly card all the time?

[sweet flax]

they are independent from each other, level rush is a 1 time crystal purchase

monthly card needs you to log in everyday to get the full benefit while level rush requires you to reach the max level for it within the 90 days of the beginner manual

@rapid socket

you arent expected to memorise this glossary, but it will serve as a useful tool until you are more familiar with abbreviations

[opal palm]

do these have a time limit?

[sweet flax]

level rush as I mentioned is limited to your beginner manual, so as long as you have the beginner manual the level rush will be available

as for level up bundles I cant remember to be quite honest, might be linked to breakthrough

ill have to check or have someone reply in my place on that

[opal palm]

yeah wondering abt these bundles only, the level rush has a countdown on the top right

[sweet flax]

they seem to be linked to your starter manual as well from what im seeing

[opal palm]

ok ty!

[zinc ermine]

is it worth to pull HORB new equipment?

[tall flax]

If you already have HoRb, then it’s worth

Otherwise it’s not

[maiden garden]

how f2p friendly is the new pink elf? i just got her

[tall flax]

All of the characters are f2p friendly, would you like to elaborate on that?

[cold niche]

successfully farmed a 10 pull today, if only i could repeat this in a week

[maiden garden]

i mean like is she more easier to build and perform good with mainly valkryies given in the starter manual and etc?

since i only really have characters given by starter manual and she is my first gacha s rank

i could take a picture of my roster if it helps

[tall flax]

Well yes she’s very easy to use personally. But since that’s your only gacha Valkyrie, you may have a hard time for a while until you can get her supports

But having her is already a win since you can get her supports later and it will be a fully built team

[low sorrel]

Which team for Otto boss?

[maiden garden]

what supports will she need if its ok to ask?

so i know who to go for

[tall flax]

Any P2 Valkyrie that has the GoI tag, like FDD (Coralie) and new Helia

[storm lantern]

there's an upcoming rotating banner with 20 free pulls, use them on fws (glossary in pins) and then stop pulling

[low sorrel]

I also have sparkle, vita, songque if I need to change out supports for RS team

[tall flax]

Does HoFi have RoO gear?

[low sorrel]

Yes and HoO is SS3

[storm lantern]

if you want to spend real money on this game we can talk about backpulls but otherwise just pull 8.6 after getting hle+weapon

[tall flax]

While I think that team can fight Otto, it may not be the best team. Maybe check the leaderboard for a reference

[low sorrel]

The top score is RS with FDD and FWS but I don’t have either of those supports the next 5 scores below it are all HoO dps so I guess I can try that

[tall flax]

Did SN get a buff?

[lyric anvil]

Yes

[tall flax]

What kind of buff? Enough to become one of the fastest?

[cold niche]

does this look right?

[tall flax]

Patch is until Jan 1

[cold niche]

this is for hle banner only, cuz i still got 80 pulls to go split between her banner and the weapon banner

[tall flax]

Should be right

[fathom totem]

omg ron is back again

[tall flax]

Back for HoRb stayed for Ely cause she wanted me back

[frosty kernel]

codes?

[tall flax]

#invite-links-here

[frosty kernel]

no no i mean redeem codes

[odd plume]

KEXMVQQZLU
US4RN92X15
LOVEELF

[frosty kernel]

there are few new codes

[frosty kernel]

nice ty

[fading estuary]

Hello, i want to ask

Im newbie, is Songque worth to pull

[tall flax]

Nope because she’s not the newest unit

[severe ruin]

Is the dk worth it if my horb is S2?

[tall flax]

Yes, it allows her to support GoI and increase her playability as a WS dps

[fading estuary]

I already got the new ely, i want to know, is Songque good for my ely team

[severe ruin]

Ok, thank you

[tall flax]

She doesn’t have the proper tags to support her

[fading estuary]

Okay, thank you so much, sorry for taking your time🙏

[tall flax]

That’s what this channel is for, if you have any questions, speak away.

[dry star]

No, so the way that modern characters work is they have something called Astral Ring, which has different types

Every modern character has "tags" that match different Astral Ring types

So not every character can work together on the same team. Songque and High love elf dont have matching tags

Generally characters that release new banners close to each other will have matching tags so possibly the next new character will work

[tall flax]

To add to that, there are only 5 Astral Ring Types and 5 Astral Ring Attributes which we call Tags
Each Astral Ring Type corespond to a Tag

Astral Ring Type -> Astral Ring Attribute:
World Star -> Domain Resonance
Wheel of Destiny -> Harmonized Shadow Star
Rite of Oblivion -> Omnicient Star
Law of Ascension -> Heavenly Shift
Grail of Infinitude -> Symbiosis

Each P2 Character can have 1 AR Type but can have multiple AR Tags
If the Character has a tag that matches one of the right sides, it will support the character with the AR Type next to it on the left.

[severe ruin]

What are the odds of 2 weapon hard pity back to back? Are weapons unattainable except hard pity?

[tall flax]

there is no soft pity, so the chance at hard pity can be more common than you think

Weapons can be obtained before hard pity, but at the end of the day, its luck

[gusty hedge]

hii im new to the game who should i pull for rn?

[severe ruin]

Oh, I didn’t know there weren’t soft pities for weapons. I see, a bit regretful pulling for the new dk

[tall flax]

Check this page out

[tall flax]

the DKey ends sooner than the New Character, so its not entirely a bad thing.
Its only bad if you dont have the character to use the weapon on

[tall flax]

you would want to pull for HLE, more info in pins or the message i replied to

[gusty hedge]

who is that

[gusty hedge]

ohh

omg i joined the wrong server

i thought this was hsr

[dim wing]

[tall flax]

[dry star]

The current hsr banners are not great for new players either, id just save

[gusty hedge]

ohh

[noble urchin]

should i prioritize ely's weap or new horb weap?

[tall flax]

always the Ely weapon

[gusty hedge]

who should i save for?

[shut frigate]

For hsr stay tuned for the upcoming 3.7 livestream and then creator experience server reviews/details

Additionally ask over in HSR discord server

[keen pilot]

are there any codes

any permanent codes from before?

[fallen shale]

20k is the amount of Xtals you should set aside for weapon pulls right?

[gusty hedge]

okk ty

[odd plume]

KEXMVQQZLU
US4RN92X15
LOVEELF

[keen pilot]

thank u

[fallen shale]

where do you go to redeem these again

[keen pilot]

click on your profile

and then account from the right side bar

[fallen shale]

oh ok thanks

[dry star]

Hi are these the ideal stigs for dkey horb? It would make sense if so, I just remember something about Hohe having two stig sets and youre supposed to use the new stigs not the old ones

So making sure these are the right stigs...

[dull plover]

Yrah its right, you can check individually where it has a description with Astral Ring somewhere

[fading estuary]

Omg, thank you so much sirr!

[dry star]

Don't call me sir, im just a talking houseplant

[dry star]

Oh im blind thank you I was looking at only the Skill and forgot that set bonus is on the next tab

I only read skill and it didnt mention AR so I was suspicious

[fallen shale]

are these worth buying?

I have 120 chips leftover from a previous purchase

[shell basin]

17k; it’s 280*60

[dull plover]

If you plan on buying/topup more later, save it
Otherwise, you should buy that
Check pins - cost effective whaling for better info

[dry star]

60 chip for 1 pull is good value yeah, thats basically about 60 chip = 280 xtal

But yeah it depends if youre already planning to refill chips later or next patch; if youre trying to spend as little as possible you could save it for next patch bp

[fallen shale]

but with 120 chips I'd still need to buy the more expensive bundle to get BP again

I did do that last BP I had enough to only need 300 chips to get BP

[dry star]

Yeah. It doesnt add up cleanly

[fallen shale]

but with the amount I'm left with now I'd still need to buy 900 chips lol

[dry star]

Its just for people trying to minmax minimal spending for like an entire year long plan

[fallen shale]

ok

[cold niche]

Since I won’t be able to get thelema what should I get from this?

[digital kiln]

How do i get more of this

[shell basin]

You can consider Kiana elf fragments, though that’s more of a long term investment, otherwise look into valuable stuff like affix materials or prisms (or pri arm mats if you’re low)

[odd plume]

what is that?

[cold niche]

okie!

[fading estuary]

Hello, im newbie, and i want to ask

[keen pilot]

friend code?

[keen pilot]

can i have ur friend code

[fading estuary]

I already got 1 elysia Love elf. Should i use all of my crystal on her banner till it end?

[odd plume]

21273550VV

[keen pilot]

thanks

[odd plume]

you should get her weapon

[fading estuary]

I already have it

[odd plume]

then stop, unless you have horb or other goal

[fading estuary]

What is horb

[odd plume]

herrscher of rebirth, she got a new weapon

[fading estuary]

Next banner is horb?

[keen pilot]

are the early quests not voiced?

[odd plume]

no horb banner, only her weapon banner is up currently

[fading estuary]

What is the next banner

[shell basin]

No, she’s not currently available unless you spend $, it’s just a new weapon if you already have her r

[shell basin]

Carnival rotating banner, PS, Badum, Sparkle, Vita

[odd plume]

check the pin in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion for future banner

but what is your goal?

[fading estuary]

Ohhhh, what should i get? Im newbie sir

[fading estuary]

I dont know, im new on this game

[shell basin]

You get 20 free pulls you should put towards either PS or Badum. You shouldn’t put more crystals than that towards it

[odd plume]

^

[fading estuary]

What is PS

[shell basin]

Peregrine Sword

[fading estuary]

Is PS good for Love elf?

[odd plume]

if you get her from free pull, good
if not, save for next patch

[shell basin]

Yes, both PS and Badum can support HLE

Which is why they are the two we reccomend pulling on that banner

They’re both about equally good, so you can pick whichever one you like better to try and get lucky

[fading estuary]

So i just throw the free pull for the carnival banner, and if i not get one of them, just skip it?

[shell basin]

Yep

[odd plume]

general advice for pulling is always focus on debut banner
dont spend on old valk unless you whale

[fading estuary]

Okay thank you much @shell basin @odd plume , im so helped by you guys, sorry for taking your time, i hope your pull on soft pity😁🙏

[shell basin]

NP. May you get lucky in yours as well

[fading estuary]

😁🙏

[austere umbra]

whats elysia bis team rn

[lyric anvil]

Very boss dependant
Though FDD is BiS no matter the boss

[sick pebble]

Is HoRb alive again? 😭

[short owl]

How do I use invite code?

Do i need to reach specific level

[shell basin]

Yes, though she’s not as Alive as a proper new release

[odd plume]

before lv 26 for beginner
after lv 26 for returnee

go to bonus tab

[short owl]

Thanks

[wraith mist]

How do you get thelema? I cant see an event button to get more currency

[shell basin]

Spending pulls on any banner will get you currency, tho dorm bonuses are capped at 20

[wraith mist]

How much is 800? Is there a convertion ratio?

[shell basin]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[rustic walrus]

who should i pull from carnival (everyone s0 + 1) except sq no weapon

[shell basin]

Vita afaik benefits the most from ranks

[wraith mist]

I dont have enough, not even close... i guess no thelema for me :( thank you, i will keep that image

[shell basin]

No problem. You do still have 6 weeks and there’s 20 free carnival pulls that also count, but yeah you might just not have enough

Thelema is also available in the battle pass (for real money), but otherwise you’ll probably have to wait until she enters reserve works at some point in the future

[rustic walrus]

but what about pulling sporkle..

[wraith mist]

I was using the highest bp to get HoF, now im missing the weapon and stigmata

[shell basin]

Also possible? Her DPS is rough without her weapon but afaik she can still collapse without it and ER crystals are ER crystals

[shell basin]

Don’t grab Hofi gear from battlepass, it’s her old gear. She doesn’t use that one anymore

She uses waxing and iskandar

[wraith mist]

Idk if i want this elysia either. I have 37 pulls left for s rank guaranteed. I went for copies of helia to get her to sss

[wraith mist]

Ohhh thanks for telling me

[shell basin]

Well Helia isn’t rerunning in this spending event either so yeah probably not going to get Thelema then. I assume you’re aware that’s not the meta advice and are doing it because you love Paws?

[wraith mist]

Love which paws? Idk anything about meta in hi3, i started when part2 dropped and got helia coralie sena (only working team i have rn) then stopped and idk what to do. I like kiana so i got her from last bp

[shell basin]

Ah, I thought you meant rolling for planar Armanant warped Spacetime, the new helia

There’s a new Kiana battlesuit in Carnival, you should be able to get 20 free pulls for that if you want

Badum Fiery Wishing Star

[tall flax]

tfw p2 content became a bit easier after Ely

[shell basin]

Is Teri even better than DS for HLE? I would expect DS is better

HLE isn’t LoA and doesn’t have heavenly shift

[wraith mist]

I went to get and says no available sources at the moment

[shell basin]

Yeah she’s getting a carnival banner in like, a week

You’ll get twenty free pulls for the banner and can choose to spend them on Badum / PS / Sparkle / Vita, as the banners rotate

Only get 20 free pulls for all 4 banners tho

[wraith mist]

Ohh i see i see, thank you. I will wait for her then in a week

[tall flax]

i also have 4* Kiana but thats for fire/lightning

Teri is All elemental dmg

[wraith mist]

What or who do i buy for the bp then?

[shell basin]

Yeah I was suggesting Dreamseeker

[tall flax]

However

[abstract sequoia]

DS is definitely better yeah

[tall flax]

passive AR just for existing

[abstract sequoia]

except for some initial ari

[tall flax]

also this

12% more elemental dmg and 5% more total dmg

[abstract sequoia]

in stellar outburst

and it's elemental taken and total dmg taken by enemies

[shell basin]

Yeah that’s smaller than DS’s buffs too

[tall flax]

its a separate multiplier

[abstract sequoia]

dreamseeker just gives 12% total dmg no matter what

[tall flax]

but thats additive

[abstract sequoia]

and on typeless you have to consider the bonuses dreamseeker gives on SSS now as well

maybe not yet, because the SSS will unlock when the story chapter comes out but even without that the numbers and real performance turn out to be better

[shell basin]

Usually we advise buying divine keys unless you’re paying for BP, since there’s nothing else amazing in reserve works, but if you have paid BP it’s a different question

[quick birch]

Teri's buffs are not an exclusive multiplier it would mention that

[abstract sequoia]

i was about to say

all buffs here are additive

[quick birch]

It's additive with other elemental or physical DMG taken buffs

[tall flax]

are these additive?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[tall flax]

like you add these numbers together

[abstract sequoia]

oh, total dmg and total dmg taken are 2 different types of buffs

same with elemental dmg and elemental dmg taken

[tall flax]

normally its supposed to be
Base Dmg x Elemental Dmg% x Elemental DMG Taken x Total DMG x Total DMG Taken

like each separate buff is a multiplier

but of course Elemental Dmg% adds with Elemental Dmg%

[shell basin]

Yes

[tall flax]

The question is if Elemental Dmg and Ice dmg are multiplicative or additive

[shell basin]

Additive

[tall flax]

weird

[abstract sequoia]

ice dmg IS elemental dmg

same goes for elem taken and ice taken

[tall flax]

Ice Dmg is Elemental Dmg yes
but Elemental Dmg isnt Ice Damage

[shell basin]

Ice damage is the same buff but narrower

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[tall flax]

right...

[shell basin]

If you have 20% elemental damage and 20% ice damage you will deal 120% on fire attacks and 140% on ice

But not 144%

[sick pebble]

How do I make a team with just these 4 characters? 😭
I am beyond cooked chat

[wraith mist]

I will buy it depending on what's in there i guess

[tall flax]

i guess thats a point taken

[shell basin]

Sparkle HLE Vita should work

[tall flax]

1st, 3rd, and 4th works perfectly with each other

[shell basin]

HLE Vita VBM is cope but the next best option

[abstract sequoia]

would pick HLE lead when she has an advantage through either Ice or SD type

Same for Sparkle but for Fire and Quantum type

[kind dove]

Why my stigma C and H only have 113 and 59 are maximum? I see another players have 159 and 105 dmg

[sick pebble]

welp but out of these 4 only my sparkle is sig-less 😭 (3/4, I don’t have her sign weapon)

I know backpulling is bad but should I lowkey get sparkle’s sig back? It is 2 stacks of quantum collapse

[shell basin]

Did they upgrade up their stigmas and you didn’t? Did they put affixes on them and you didn’t?

[abstract sequoia]

in that case you're better off leading with HLE

[shell basin]

If sparkle doesn’t have her weapon then HLE Vita VBM and cope

[sick pebble]

Thx guys

[abstract sequoia]

and about the backpulling

it really depends on your crystals

[kind dove]

Its max but only 113 dmg

[abstract sequoia]

but in the end, you will probably set yourself back with ending up in the same place next patch: maybe affording valk but not the weapon

[shell basin]

Probably affixes then. You can get your own affixes by refining your stigmas

Takes NCCs

[kind dove]

Oh I see its 158 now

[sick pebble]

maybe I won’t pull for the next and the next after next patch Idk

[kind dove]

Number in inventory is bugged

[sick pebble]

Is weaponless sparkle still valid in HLE team tho

[abstract sequoia]

sounds like a lot of setback when you could just build your team up based on HLE

[sick pebble]

true, maybe I should back pull forr fdd instead

[shell basin]

No, HLE can support sparkle but sparkle can’t support HLE

[sick pebble]

I think fdd is breaking the game it’s not called backpulling atp idk

[ancient needle]

Sparkle doesn't work in HLE DPS even with weap

[abstract sequoia]

sparkle doesn't have a support tag for HLE's astral ring (Grail of Infinitude and Symbiosis), HLE only has a support tag for sparkle's ring (World Star and Domain Resonance)

so both only work together with sparkle or another world star leading

[sick pebble]

well why should I pair HLE and vita with sparkle then 😭

[ancient needle]

And no, FDD ain't breaking nothing

[sick pebble]

or did I misread

[abstract sequoia]

because both have domain resonance

!faq world star

[small willow]

Astral Ring Specialization - World Star

Allow me to explain, Captain!

The "World Star" Astral Ring specialization revolves around "Resonance Marks" (see image below). Characters with this specialization have the ability to create Resonance Marks in Stellar Outburst.

These Resonance Marks can then be activated by other characters by consuming Quantum Mech Energy, dealing massive damage - said characters usually have the "Domain Resonance" tag, but do not have the World Star Specialization.

Examples:

• Can drop "Resonance Marks":
  • Senadina
  • Helia
• Can activate "Resonance Marks"
  • Coralie
  • Thelema
  • "Lantern"

Senadina and Helia can activate Resonance Marks too, but not as frequently as other characters can.

[ancient needle]

She doesn't have a tag for the next AR type

[shell basin]

Yeah with sparkle leader you can have HLE and vita support

But with HLE lead sparkle can’t support

[ancient needle]

Which means she won't be as relevant long-term

[shell basin]

So you’d go vita and VBM

[sick pebble]

sparkle leader without weapon is a headache tho

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[shell basin]

Yeah, so just don’t use sparkle on the team

Stick with HLE

[abstract sequoia]

you can probably try using her lead for quantum content, if it turns out to better

if the time comes, feel free to ask how to maximize her damage if you need guidance

[shell basin]

Depends on the quantum boss but yeah maybe

[sick pebble]

I think I am tripping
so turns out I shouldn’t use sparkle leader, but still put her for the WS buff?

[abstract sequoia]

this patch there will be a quantum type boss with fire advantage, so this will be her abyss cycle to shine

assuming you are beyond breakthrough

https://marisaimpact.com/calendar85?boss

[shell basin]

No.
Use HLE Leader with Vita and VBM
If it’s a quantum weather you can consider sparkle leader instead, in which case it is sparkle HLE Vita.

If HLE is the leader do not put sparkle on the team

[sick pebble]

Welp I just returned from a long break so I am like in forbidden or sinful
It should be fine

[abstract sequoia]

sparkle wont provide any buffs to a team that she can't support

[abstract sequoia]

yeah should be fine then

[sick pebble]

sorry but who is VBM 😭

[abstract sequoia]

do you mind if I ask about the disturbance number in the top right of your Abyss leaderboard?

[shell basin]

Valkyrie Blastmetal

[abstract sequoia]

Coralie

[shell basin]

Miniature coralie

[sick pebble]

ohhh

[abstract sequoia]

refer to the Glossary of Terms in the pins, we've got every acronym written up there

[sick pebble]

ngl first time seeing VBM

probably because of the bigger coralie

[abstract sequoia]

yeah for example

or the 10 million bronyas

[shell basin]

We used to just call her coralie often but yeah now there’s 2 coralies

So it gets confusing

[sick pebble]

umm me?

[abstract sequoia]

mhm

[shell basin]

Like imagine if I was telling someone “take coralie off that team and add coralie instead, coralie is better than coralie”

[abstract sequoia]

we're basically documenting abyss disturbance numbers for archiving purposes

totally voluntarily, so feel free to give it a look https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1quD7Di_IUhnxvwGglnk9xePetXLiyBgIIF5qqh0Xwb0/edit?usp=sharing

[sick pebble]

296

[abstract sequoia]

in Forbidden?

[sick pebble]

Yea I realized I am indeed in forbidden

[abstract sequoia]

nice

[sick pebble]

not even sinful wants me 😭

[abstract sequoia]

thanks a lot

[coral dew]

we still dont really have a ER guide for HLE do we?

[abstract sequoia]

well, you wouldn't believe how rare it is to end up down there

[shell basin]

Tbh that’s impressive, getting forbidden is tuff

[sick pebble]

just curious, why do you need that number lol

[abstract sequoia]

basically, it started with @twin quest wanting to collect data and many of us joined in out of curiosity

[sick pebble]

idk man when I hop on again I just stayed there 😭

[abstract sequoia]

its nothing about you why you got there, you'd need active sinful players who make you lose points for, well not playing

if the leaderboard is fully inactive, nobody loses points

[sick pebble]

😭😭😭

[abstract sequoia]

thats why its so rare to end up where you are

[sick pebble]

well I guess i will be the next active sinful player

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

you'll climb easily through that, i'm sure of it

[sick pebble]

ngl tho the highest I could stay is only agony II

I don’t think I am that impressive in this game

[abstract sequoia]

that's still fair

you know where your goal is then

agony 3

maybe even redlotus

[sick pebble]

I can’t beat agony II with my pathetic vita dps 😔

[abstract sequoia]

just make sure to level up your dorm stats and get every f2p divine key

[abstract sequoia]

she can't bruteforce everything

[sick pebble]

I think I do have 11 pink leaf balls saved up

[abstract sequoia]

only when she just came out it was possible

[abstract sequoia]

be careful about where you're spending them then, you only get 5 of these per patch without buying BP

[sick pebble]

Yea that is why I am constantly failing to maintain agony with Vita + smol coralie + maybe Eden or chainsaw girl

[abstract sequoia]

oh you have Lunar Vow?

[sick pebble]

Yea I got it from the return quest or sth

Don’t know how to use her well tho she is now a support for my vita dps

[abstract sequoia]

hm, does she have any gear?

[sick pebble]

sadly no 😭😭😭

[abstract sequoia]

[sick pebble]

I’m giving her random weapons and she is using vita stigmata for some reason

[abstract sequoia]

she does have her uses, but usually you only see her fully geared

basically, before peregrine sword came out, a way to bruteforce bleed was Vita/HoFi or VBm/Lunar Vow

LV would provide good lightning buffs there AND keep the enemy bleeding

[sick pebble]

Wait what is peregrine sword 😔

[abstract sequoia]

maybe you can still try to profit from that, but definitely use other stigmatas

[abstract sequoia]

Li Sushang with green dress

[sick pebble]

imaging using the ones that drop damage buff

Forgot the name

[abstract sequoia]

!faq li sushang

[small willow]

Li Sushang

Battlesuits and Tutorials:

• S Rank: Jade Knight
• S Rank: Peregrine Sword

Outfits:

• Jade Knight: Auspicious Dazzle, Midnight Moon

Wallpapers:

• Li Sushang
• Jade Knight
• Auspicious Dazzle

[abstract sequoia]

that girl

PS is her part 2 valkyrie, basically the newest bleed dmg unit

[sick pebble]

I have trouble remembering valk suit names 😭

[abstract sequoia]

it's okay

[sick pebble]

ohh the decent one that I did not pull again

[abstract sequoia]

only few people have photographic memory, me not included

[shell basin]

I know all the recent ones but ask me about some random old battlesuit initials and I will have to go frantically search the reference docs

[abstract sequoia]

what i did in my early days is always have this open in another browser tab, ready to ctrl+f
#👶beginner-help message

[ancient needle]

Isn't photographic memory cap in general? xdd

[abstract sequoia]

not for some autistic people, according to them

not sure about neurotypicals

[waxen terrace]

Is there horb dlc er guide?

[restive mural]

Does it matter which one to claim

[sick pebble]

I think we eventually take all of them

[restive mural]

Okioki, thank u!

[abstract sequoia]

as of now, not yet. Just read through her Elysia signets for now and try to pick what makes sense
https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Elysian_Realm/Signets#Herrscher_of_Rebirth

old guides for her non-dk runs are also in the pins

[abstract sequoia]

the order does kinda matter

!faq whatdkey

[small willow]

Which DKey should I claim first?

Hello, Captain!

Also check out the Divine Key explanation pin [here](#👶beginner-help message) if anything mentioned (such as "gene limit") is confusing/unknown to you.

In the long run it doesn't matter, but the ideal order is:
1 - Grips of Tai Xuan (gloves, cope glove weapon and ice gene limit).
2 - Cleaver/Judgement of Shamash (guns/greatsword, need both to sync for +10 attack and fire gene limit).
3 - Jizo Mitama (katana, phys gene limit attached to it).
4 - Star of Eden (cannon, has no attached gene limit it just exists).

[restive mural]

Thank you

[abstract sequoia]

no problem

[sick pebble]

What is the stigma related to eating again? I think the set drops buff packets for teammates

[abstract sequoia]

Theresa: Gluttony T

[sick pebble]

Ahh yes

should I use that on Lunarvow

[abstract sequoia]

you can also search for it in #wiki-consult by typing ! and the name of the stig or stig set

[lone crater]

why

[abstract sequoia]

actually, i would rather craft turgenev T and B

[sick pebble]

welp buff I guess?

[sick pebble]

well brb ima search that up xd

[lone crater]

what is ur team

[abstract sequoia]

context is potential bleed cope with Vita/VBm and 0/4 LV

[lone crater]

just go full p2

[abstract sequoia]

wouldn't helia be slow as heck though?

[restive mural]

@abstract sequoia I have one more question, would it he fine to forge stigmatas of new eli that I don't need? I got alot of dupes

[abstract sequoia]

not many options either

[abstract sequoia]

you mean salvage?

[lone crater]

time spent buffing with lv is giga slow anyways, and said person prob don't have turg as well

[restive mural]

Yes sorry

[abstract sequoia]

yes, getting rid of dupes is fine. you only need them for the Valk they're supposed to be on

[restive mural]

Thank u!

[sick pebble]

(unlike my lone planetfarer lunar vow ahem-)

[abstract sequoia]

there are rare edge cases in very high rank abyss where different affixes are used sometimes, but it's never strategies that made it out of Nirvana

[abstract sequoia]

i mean, it's not like it provides 0 buffs, but you dont really buff the team with vita stigs on LV either

[tranquil brook]

you can do new kiana and hohe dkey
sorry for the very late reply i fell asleep right after

[abstract sequoia]

you're better off making actual support stigmata

[sick pebble]

which I have none and know none

[abstract sequoia]

you can also quote this faq

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[sick pebble]

and btw how do I use HLE? Just got her and don’t know where to start. Can I trust the in-game guide blindly?

[abstract sequoia]

from there, turgenev tb is really the best part 1 elemental support 2 piece

[abstract sequoia]

never blindly, but the tutorial does give you an idea if you run her in a full team

check out the first pin in here for a cope rotation

which you will need for now

[sick pebble]

the case is I only have a second hand team😭

[abstract sequoia]

a certain mango made it very cope friendly

[sick pebble]

oh he changed his pfp nvm

[abstract sequoia]

(that's his name too)

[odd plume]

#👶beginner-help message

[sick pebble]

btw how do yall deal with the weekly material thing

like every time I hop on and use my homu ticket on the fire one, not knowing what to do with those shards thingy

(sorry for my implicit wording I forgot all the phrases 😔)

[odd plume]

oh, he pinned it

[abstract sequoia]

yes he did

btw, you dont need to farm roald if you already have tsiolkovsky for VBm

[abstract sequoia]

which ones specifically?

[odd plume]

just do it daily

[abstract sequoia]

ohh you mean mirage

[odd plume]

get all the first clear reward then hit LITE button daily

[sick pebble]

yea I do have her stigs on vbm. I can missing her weapon tho it is not a problem I am getting it eventually

[abstract sequoia]

yeah first clears first, but for where you LITE depends on what you want to forge

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, the wep is in part 2 chapter 1

you can get it very early on just from playing

[sick pebble]

been doing the fire one for the past years.
and not using any of the shards too

[abstract sequoia]

spoilers are kept minimal too, the first 3 chapters of part 2 don't connect into part 1 at all

[abstract sequoia]

which ones?

[tall flax]

i think im getting the hang of the new Ely DPS rot, easier than HoRb dps

[abstract sequoia]

also just because or have you had any goal in mind with that?

[sick pebble]

the green and red stones

[sick pebble]

I forgot but the only possible reason I can think of is farming for Sirin

[abstract sequoia]

ah, so its G4 fire mats

[sick pebble]

Magical girl stig (it takes forever to farm as I remembered my complaints)

[abstract sequoia]

and sirin still performs badly without her weapon

but if you just like her its fine

in any case, you want to farm G3 ice for Turgenev

we also have infos about what to choose to farm Ether Fuel the fastest

!faq mirage

[small willow]

Universal Mirage

Hi Captain!

See [here](#👶beginner-help message) For the Universal Mirage farming priority list!

Regarding Efficient Ether Fuel Farming (assumes you convert all stones into fuel):

F1: 10 per entry ticket + 0.6000 per 1 TSP
F2: 12 per entry ticket + 0.6333 per 1 TSP
F3: 12 per entry ticket + 0.6428 per 1 TSP
F4: 13 per entry ticket + 0.6500 per 1 TSP
F5: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6666 per 1 TSP
F6: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6700 per 1 TSP - (best efficiency!)
F7: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6600 per 1 TSP

If not using Time Swirl Passes (TSP), F5/6/7 are equal in efficiency.

[sick pebble]

welp sadly I do not have her weapon 😔
I am building her because I got her out of no where and the sparkle ignite gimmick

[abstract sequoia]

ah

[sick pebble]

Do you think I should focus on the fuel or the green stones? 🤔

[abstract sequoia]

sorry, which green stones are you referring to?

[sick pebble]

this one

ima learn its name rq

[abstract sequoia]

that IS ether fuel

[sick pebble]

oh yes ether fuel

😭😭😭

[abstract sequoia]

[sick pebble]

Ohh ima rephrase

Using passes, should I forces on getting ether fuels (f6) or the crystalytes (f7)

[abstract sequoia]

also look at the mirage investment list in that faq

[abstract sequoia]

crystalytes first then fuel

[sick pebble]

thanks

[abstract sequoia]

anytime c:

[sick pebble]

Is that in the pinned

[potent hamlet]

is this worth btw

[celest sphinx]

what does sponsor mean? someone told me to do it

[proper quiver]

why does my hle feel weak compared to my sena?
Team: Hle, Sena, VBM
Are GoI supports that important? if so should i splurge for Horb DLC (i can get horb + dk, but i wont be able to get BFD)
I will be able to get 8.6 valk tho

[lone crater]

well basically crippled if not running 3/3 of their designated teams

so yes sena will do more

[proper quiver]

so should i do sena leader with hle support?

[lone crater]

yes, about horb, idk, r u much of a big spender, main benefit of horb dkey is just that if you have her alr, +10atk/60 pulls all you need for her to be a p2 unit

[tranquil brook]

sena and vbm dont have symbiosis tag so yeah youre only fulfilling 1/3

[restive mural]

Is S rank selection chest ever gonna update or is it sitting in my inventory for no reason? I'm urging to pick one of the S ranks

[lone crater]

the one in ur inventory prob won't ever update

but most ppl choose either 23x23 or hold

up to u in the end if u wanna use it now

[proper quiver]

im a mid spender, ill spend for characters i like, are strong or are needed to support my faves (i dont have horb but i have no issue getting her from the box)

[lone crater]

for a s rank

[abstract sequoia]

its on the !faq mirage thing I sent #👶beginner-help message

[restive mural]

Oh okay thank you

[lone crater]

horb less value than dragon coralie, if you rly wanna backpull then with limited budget I'd choose fdd over horb

[abstract sequoia]

if you want to revisit this, type the command into the search bar

[proper quiver]

i guess ill just suffer for 6 weeks, thanks for the help tho

[restive mural]

What's the difference

[keen pilot]

transmute

just click on then and see what it takes to craft

2 different recipes

[abstract sequoia]

one is forged from a G3 physical stig, needing less from other materials. the other needs more from others but not G3 stigs

[restive mural]

Ohhhh so it's material difference but they're the same thing

[sharp aurora]

When is the HLE guide for ER coming out?

[abstract sequoia]

not really, Sena is very out of meta as a dps and her rank ups don't really provide support buffs

[restive mural]

Thank u, I thought than mats some more stuff would be diff too

[abstract sequoia]

explain more, i could mention 3 different things which could be a "sponsor"

[abstract sequoia]

nah its just a way from back then to upgrade your old stigs, since the new ones were usually a definite upgrade

[tall flax]

its the opposite for me, my HLE feels strong compared to HoRb

[proper quiver]

maybe reread

[abstract sequoia]

i mean who are you pairing HoRb with?

[tall flax]

HLE and Badum

[abstract sequoia]

same question for you

[tall flax]

HLE and VBM actually

[abstract sequoia]

okay and you are triggering HLE's buffs correctly?

[tall flax]

i think so, QTE+Weapon+Ult

[abstract sequoia]

and leveled everything

maybe you forgot something

[tall flax]

yes fully leveled

[abstract sequoia]

okay

[boreal rampart]

Which one to claim? (I'm lacking in honkai shards, sc metal, and phase shifters)

[abstract sequoia]

hm

[abstract sequoia]

mind giving me the atk stats for the full team?

i mean only VBm is kind of a weak link dmg wise but she can trigger reso marks just fine

[proper quiver]

gang i was asking if i should get horb dk if it means i cant get fdd ( i need a goi support)

[tall flax]

your first question asked why your HLE is weaker than Sena tho?

[abstract sequoia]

oh sorry i didn't read you correctly with that team

[proper quiver]

no goi support ( was answered)

[abstract sequoia]

i wouldn't advice to pull for horb over fdd

fdd is a breach support and those are very few

[tall flax]

HLE: 1400
HoRb: 1401
VBM: 1079

[abstract sequoia]

however, backpulling would mean you're skipping next patch. that's assuming you can even afford full gear FDD when she reruns

[proper quiver]

pulling bfd would be money pulls so id have actual xtals for 8.6

[abstract sequoia]

oh okay

in that case check this guide if you haven't already

[proper quiver]

i need a symb support im so desparate

[abstract sequoia]

!faq whaling

[small willow]

Cost-effective Spending

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the cost-effective whaling guide!

Short answer:

1. Level Rush and very high value B-Chip Bundles.
2. Monthly Card.
3. Level bundles (will expire if left too long).
4. Knight BP.
5. Crystal top-up with 2x bonus.
6. B-Chip packs (find highest Crystal:B-Chip ratio)
7. Paladin BP.
8. Crystal top-up without 2x bonus.

[abstract sequoia]

you shouldn't be, the early beginning of your account are always rough

we have all been there

[proper quiver]

im fine spending but im just a bit sad my hle is barely outdamaging sena 😔

[celest sphinx]

I got friended and they said be a good girl and sponsor me I'm guessing they just meant send money

[tall flax]

how does one get Sena as a new player

[abstract sequoia]

that's more on the low end if you have little dks

[abstract sequoia]

you dont

[proper quiver]

starter banner

[abstract sequoia]

!faq starter

[small willow]

Starter Supply

Don't waste crystals, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of why Starter Supply is not recommended [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Short answer:

• Brand new Valkyries to be prioritised over old ones (see [!faq backpull](#👶beginner-help message)).
• The discounted 10x does not make it good. Only do the 1 single pull that gets refunded anyway.
• In most cases, you will not have the infrastructure to make a good team with either of these Valkyries.
• Your crystals are better spent on new Valkyries: the value of a Valkyrie peaks on her release.
• This banner is only recommended for people willing to reroll accounts until they get a Valkyrie in the first 10x. Ask us what to do if you are interested in rerolling, it is very dependant on the patch contents.

[abstract sequoia]

[lyric anvil]

[abstract sequoia]

would report ngl

[proper quiver]

i regret my 4/4 sena but its whatever

[abstract sequoia]

i mean you have returns from sena, but it's less than a new valk

[tall flax]

I think i have HoHE HoFi HoRb DLCs, so thats like at least +40 attack

[abstract sequoia]

she is literally the first part 2 valkyrie

and a couple more SD valks came out until now

[abstract sequoia]

can also take the realms of battle and reserve works dks into account

[shell basin]

4th best SD 4th best Lightning dps… it’s tuff being Sena alas

[abstract sequoia]

if you tap on stats on the valk stat screen you can see how much atk you're getting from Divine Keys and Dorm

[tall flax]

SN on the otherhand has 1548

[proper quiver]

poor griseo

[shell basin]

True

[abstract sequoia]

CE came out at a very unfortunate time to be fair, a kickoff to SD and therefore not refined at all

[proper quiver]

what teams should i do for mem arena/abyss

[abstract sequoia]

and her support was way too specific

[abstract sequoia]

you already have 3 bosses in MA right?

[proper quiver]

only 2

[shadow gyro]

hoh jk rc on one boss
dafl (if she got her wp), hle, vbm

[abstract sequoia]

ah okay, which?

Otto and Mobius?

[cold niche]

Do I have to get a new dkey or is that the weapon on the banner

[proper quiver]

yes sir (im just asking in general)

[tall flax]

i tried

[proper quiver]

lemme squint

[abstract sequoia]

have you got any other part 1 supports that could buff lightning?

[tall flax]

TA or kira surely

[proper quiver]

all i got

[shell basin]

Couldn’t you do Sena VBM VBS and then HLE JK RC?

[abstract sequoia]

if not, i'd honestly do this:
HLE/JK/RC
Sena/VBs/VBm

however, i wanna ask if JK or RC has her signature

[proper quiver]

sadly no

[abstract sequoia]

you should have gotten a weapon box from the starter manual

[keen pilot]

h

[tall flax]

JK without her weapon is the same as not having a JK

[proper quiver]

i picked key of ego 💔

[abstract sequoia]

okay, new plan. ditch jk

go HLE/VBm/RC
and Sena/VBs with any cope valk that can wear Fu Hua: Musician

[tall flax]

yea thats my screenshot rioght there lol

[shell basin]

Nebs works okay

[abstract sequoia]

if you would have her, the 3rd slot in Sena team could be Golden Diva (Eden)

[proper quiver]

i dont

[abstract sequoia]

i never picked nebs as a beginner so idk how many rotations you can get in with it

[proper quiver]

theres are my only other valks

[abstract sequoia]

i see a kira

[tall flax]

alittle more effort 👍

[abstract sequoia]

but on A rank not worth bothering

[proper quiver]

who

[shell basin]

Yeah A rank Kira is oof

Sugary Starburst

[robust gate]

is ely S1 or her weapon synergy worth pulling more

[proper quiver]

oh that one

[cold niche]

Is there a dkey pin? I might just be tweaking

[abstract sequoia]

her S rank unlocks the ability to ult from QTE

[proper quiver]

whenever i tried to switch to her she wouldnt work

[abstract sequoia]

yeah on A rank she lacks everything that makes her good

[cold niche]

Wait I found it

[shell basin]

There’s one for realms of battle dkeys if that’s what u mean

And one for the Bpass ones

[abstract sequoia]

!faq dkeywhat

[small willow]

Divine Keys

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Divine Key explanation pin!

Divine keys are special weapons that can give permanent bonuses to your account!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[proper quiver]

is my account that cooked

[abstract sequoia]

no

i mean, pulling starter banner is a temporary setback

[proper quiver]

im nearly lvl 70 i dont want to do the harder abyss

[cold niche]

I got all the dkeys from realm of battle but how do I upgrade them?

[shell basin]

Post breakthrough abyss is actually easier ime

[abstract sequoia]

well, superstring doesn't unlock on it's own. you will be stuck on lvl 81 until you decide to breakthrough

[shell basin]

You get the spirit jade from weekly realms of battle box

[abstract sequoia]

the rewards are worth it though

!faq breakthrough

[small willow]

Breakthrough

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information regarding Breaking through to Exalted (Captain Level 81+).

Short Answer:

• It is highly recommended to break through for better rewards, but be aware that it is irreversible!

Also see !faq superstring regarding Exalted Abyss

[cold niche]

Ohhh that’s what that’s for

[proper quiver]

i have another teir after mine before the break through

[lucid maple]

uhhh am i playing the main story? why is sparkle here?

[abstract sequoia]

she has a cameo appearance around that time

this also ties into the voyage log event "A Fool's Hand"

[tall flax]

this is not the main story

[abstract sequoia]

that screenshot IS from the main story

she just had a small appearance

[lucid maple]

but im still in the MSQ

[shell basin]

Yeah she has a cameo in chapter 5

[abstract sequoia]

I want to avoid talking about story in here, since it's more a #📚honkai-lore thing, but to summarize for you ||A Fool's Hand is basically the explanation how she got to meet Vita, this also explains why she's so buddy with her||

help channels are meant to be spoiler free

[lucid maple]

wait she had a cameo before her collab?

[tall flax]

the cameo is the collab

[abstract sequoia]

i can't remember right now but the main story appearance was either a teaser for her collab or happened during it

[tall flax]

as collabs usually are, they are not related to the main event

[abstract sequoia]

anyway, please ask #📚honkai-lore if you want more details about why this is happening

[proper quiver]

the urge to pull for the dk is insane

[tall flax]

thats a struggle, as a new player the pin says to get HLE and then save

[abstract sequoia]

it's not going to be much harder though

[abstract sequoia]

not sure if this is the point, but you will get a 3rd boss

[proper quiver]

i have 4/4 hle

[shell basin]

Yeah that’s the point where third MA boss

[proper quiver]

what

[shell basin]

Masters MA

[proper quiver]

nty

[lucid maple]

thanks, i just want to know if im even doing the msq cuz ive been in for an hour now

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, usually MA has 3 bosses

[proper quiver]

i object actually

[abstract sequoia]

in exalted (81+ post breakthrough) it's usually the first two as SSS variant and the 3rd as SS

[proper quiver]

these are my scores : otto: sena, hle, vbm | mobius: Hoh, JK, Rc

[abstract sequoia]

SSS variants make the whole boss more complicated and require you to play around their mechanics to clear them

at least thats what it's supposed to be

you can bruteforce them anyway

[tall flax]

the SSS bosses to me is 10x harder than SS

[abstract sequoia]

depends on the boss

either way, you'll even have a different kind of arena for SSS variants

[proper quiver]

if i get horb dk dlc i can get thelema from spending + i have crystallum for weap

[abstract sequoia]

Mobius for example will be on her ER stage

it's actually kind of cool visually

[tall flax]

do you have horb tho?
getting the dlc is a waste if you dont have her

[proper quiver]

i can buy

[abstract sequoia]

where from?

is she available in level rush?

[abstract sequoia]

oh-

[west sandal]

what is new elysia's ER rotation for AR?

[tall flax]

Marisa has a video on it in youtube

i think?

[west sandal]

i liked the text ver better but ill check it 😭 im used to checking text

[tranquil brook]

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/41897447

[abstract sequoia]

There's a guide from one of our Professors, Cayjunn https://www.hoyolab.com/accountCenter/postList?id=114217185

[proper quiver]

if i do end up falling to the horb urge what teams would i do then?

[west sandal]

oh thank youuuu!!

[abstract sequoia]

before you actually fall for her, you should know what she does first

[tall flax]

Senadina, HLE, HoRb

as a WS team

[proper quiver]

ive seen a seeltillion guides

[abstract sequoia]

okay

[tranquil brook]

isnt cayjunn's guide the normal rots? they were asking the ER

[abstract sequoia]

AR = Astral Ring

which is what they said

[tall flax]

ER rotation for AR

[abstract sequoia]

ah-

i apologize then

cay used to make an ER guide too, in my defense

[tranquil brook]

no worries

[tall flax]

i dont go to hoyolab cause too much reading

[abstract sequoia]

everyone has their preferences

[tranquil brook]

doomed

[abstract sequoia]

written or video guides, use whatever you understand and prefer best

self-teaching is also an option, i mean in HLE's case her AR build is showcased in her Shallow Sequence, with every Ely signet needed to use it

based on this, you can keep repeating the hardest stage with different rotations and see what clears faster

[proper quiver]

hles signets are op

[abstract sequoia]

once you're happy, run her like that in Deep Sequence

[proper quiver]

one keeps her in ar forbasically the entire run

[abstract sequoia]

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Elysian_Realm/Signets#Hi♪_Love_Elf♥

can always read up on signets here

on top of the rentry guide in this channel's pins and potentially what's on Marisa's website and Arustats as an alternative source

[west sandal]

is HoRB's DK worth getting compared to current pt 2 characters?

[shadow gyro]

if u didnt get hle and her wp yet, thats the main prio

[abstract sequoia]

the general recommendation is no #👶beginner-help message

[shadow gyro]

the dkey comes after assuming u have horb

ur funds will be the vertict tho

[tranquil brook]

if you already get 4/4 hle and want the +10 atk account wide from the dkey, then yeah but that really doesnt matter when youre not targetting nirvana. better to just save up 8.6

[abstract sequoia]

you always have to look at what valks and divine keys provide for you

[west sandal]

nah its not worth it im happy getting elysia early 😭

[tall flax]

Dominance Weather be like: I need HoRb!

[abstract sequoia]

HLE also has summons

so this is only half-true

[west sandal]

thanks for the responses, i assume that whichever p1 character gets a dkey is somewhat usable (but usually requires higher rank i suppose?)

[silver patio]

I really dont get how hle works in her ar, do i have to swap to a symbiosis char during ar?

[abstract sequoia]

it's not a rank question

rank only matters in nirvana i'd say

i'm also basing this on my experience when pulling Waxing Moon for HoFi and Flawless Benediction for HoHe

on their support slots, their ranks didn't matter all in every case

because most of their ranks are only dps focused

on dps, the difference was usually smaller due to skill differences in lower ranks

[lucid maple]

is it just me or like the msqs are short? or am i misssing something

[tall flax]

afaik Dominance weather like Aponia and Fu Hua have physical shields

so its kinda bricked even with summons

[west sandal]

oh understood!

[silver patio]

Bump?

[abstract sequoia]

here is what you have to do in video form and again in image form if you can't watch the video right now
https://youtu.be/G5rgIesmGGw?t=371

[tall flax]

in GoI as a solo, you try to not use your Ult because that will end your SO early

[abstract sequoia]

swapping to symbiosis valks and doing certain actions is done to restore SP, allowing for another rotation in SO with HLE before doing finisher

same is done with PAWS if you've been around for her

[tall flax]

idk it feels so different using PAWS vs HLE that GoI doesnt make the gameplay the same

[abstract sequoia]

HLE feels more static when she is on the field, but her rotation can have just as much variance as PAWS IMO

like, you see in the video how actions are skipped on the supports. if you wouldn't skip those you'd have more SP to technically do more with HLE before SO runs out

[lyric anvil]

The third team member kinda differs on boss

[abstract sequoia]

you can also just swap HLE back in after 1 support and right back into the 2nd support, which was done on PAWS a lot for qte damage

whether this is also logical to do for her is up for debate and really depends on the stage, weather, boss and your Abyss rank if done there

of course, this is pretty much out of scope to know for beginners. i just want to mention this so you know that you don't have to always do the same thing if a different rotation would do it faster

[tall flax]

i just gotta pray that the HLE users doesnt have BFDD in abyss cause thats the make or break between getting a good score and not, A3 truly competitive

[lyric anvil]

[shadow gyro]

a3? hell nah, u gotta have a lot to imrpove on ur end to struggle bc of that, plus u can still use badum for the full weather

[abstract sequoia]

BFD/FDD is one of the best supports, but you really can still do a lot without her

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[abstract sequoia]

dont forget that you're probably not the only one who couldn't or didn't pull her

[lyric anvil]

BiS for GoI

[abstract sequoia]

even then, not everyone has top performance. you can still gap FDD havers by just playing better

[lyric anvil]

True

[abstract sequoia]

this holds true even in redlotus

[shadow gyro]

it doesnt help that rl is giga slack rn

[abstract sequoia]

it helps to use it for your advantage

[shadow gyro]

so how would a3 compare hmm?

[lyric anvil]

Drya on FDD weather's though his brackets likely were slacc since it's NA

[abstract sequoia]

less things needed to stomp them

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[abstract sequoia]

it sounds harsh, but if everyone would lock in like that they wouldn't be A3

[shadow gyro]

i dont wanna say that if u cant deal with a3 u suck but it just shows that theres basic things from ur end that u can improve
especially if u only dump few attempts then leave

[abstract sequoia]

that's usually the most common problem

[shadow gyro]

tbh if they did it would have been like cn

cn rl is very close to our nirv

[abstract sequoia]

people don't try to learn at all, they just first time and do few attempts

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[abstract sequoia]

or they lack confidence in what they have and can do

[shadow gyro]

maybe

[lyric anvil]

||Nirv is 565||

[abstract sequoia]

another thing, they might just lack learning resources

this is the 3rd type

[tranquil brook]

yeah some people dont wanna improve on their rot or try to get a higher score usually. they do 1 or 2 runs and settle with it. which is why most of them are stuck in a3

[abstract sequoia]

i just explained most possibilities

either way, i won't judge any of them. whether they want to improve is still up to anyone's own choice

some are fine with where they are right now

and thats also fine

[tall flax]

im just glad i have an Ice DPS now

finally i can take my revenge against Ice weather Raven and HoV

[shadow gyro]

nicee

[lyric anvil]

I'm taking my revenge on all of the Hellmaru's

[tall flax]

also getting cooked in lightning weather cause i still use Luna

[upbeat egret]

Nah 535 vs 547 is not close

[upbeat egret]

This is kr server tho

[lyric anvil]

Oh

[shadow gyro]

cn is far more competitive theyll reach it soon

[upbeat egret]

Cn rl is 528D btw

[abstract sequoia]

Reign Solaris can be an option for those

[upbeat egret]

20D difference

Not even close

[slim blaze]

weaponless ely life

[lyric anvil]

Dominance SK doesn't have phys shield

[abstract sequoia]

oh

general shield like with starless sk right?

[lyric anvil]

Same shield as the mobs in the side stages last cycle

[slim blaze]

so... thelema ranks, sena ranks, or elf frags?

[abstract sequoia]

depends on what elfs and aops you have available

[slim blaze]

4*kiaelf

[shadow gyro]

im talking about cn rl slowly but surely being on eu/na nirv, even the level in investment ppl are pouring in cn rl really feels nirv worthy for us
but i get ur point

[slim blaze]

2* pbunny

[upbeat egret]

Do u mald MA?

[slim blaze]

im weighing lema vs pbunny tbh

[slim blaze]

not really

[upbeat egret]

Thelema > pb

Pb bunny is not gonna do shit

[abstract sequoia]

hm, i mean 3* bunny is an option for Part 2 IF you have a way to put 2 physical valks in one team

[upbeat egret]

Ds is enough ram

We already had the same discussion

U will probably never use pb

Kiana elf is the only elf that is still worth nowadays

[shadow gyro]

tbh if no one used ds theyll 100% use sera or teri so theres that lmao

[shell basin]

How is Elysia elf with HoHE Thelema HLE?

[shadow gyro]

aapparently need 4* as well but the existence of ds as the default and the gachaops makes it meh

[upbeat egret]

Ely elf need atleast 3* to be good and I still doubt that she will perform better than DS

And she is too expensive to get to do a trash job

[abstract sequoia]

i mean what else are you gonna do as a f2p

[tall flax]

4* Kiana

[shadow gyro]

the goldly ds

[abstract sequoia]

which CEO already has

[upbeat egret]

Thelema is it

It's not even debatable imo

[amber finch]

i dont know the context but i completely agree

[lyric anvil]

Whatever this blue shield is

[amber finch]

huh why is it pinkish

[abstract sequoia]

that's a general shield, breakable with any dmg

[lyric anvil]

Ah

[amber finch]

calling ber as ceo

why dont you call me lord ches

[abstract sequoia]

~~i forgor their handle ~~

[amber finch]

[lyric anvil]

[shadow gyro]

the almighty ches lord

[amber finch]

idk if its just me but usually the general shields i see are like blue greyish

[amber finch]

shuddup foking whel

[abstract sequoia]

that is blue greyish

[shadow gyro]

what the hell

[amber finch]

am i color blind wtf

[lyric anvil]

Starless I believe actually had Phys Shield

[shadow gyro]

screw u imma go eat cheese now

[abstract sequoia]

maybe the hp bar and background is making you blend in those colors with the shield bar

[amber finch]

[amber finch]

ohhh

[shadow gyro]

[lyric anvil]

Tbf I'm in the middle of HoRb CA when I took that photo lol

[amber finch]

oh wait abyss day today

its symp fox right

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[upbeat egret]

Is beta still working for u?

[abstract sequoia]

beta dead

[amber finch]

fdd paws for da win

[abstract sequoia]

since maintenance

[lyric anvil]

Let me check

[upbeat egret]

Oh nvm then

[abstract sequoia]

i already checked

[lyric anvil]

Ram's correct

[abstract sequoia]

they usually shut beta down a bit before maintenance

[upbeat egret]

Okay time to rip beta then

[amber finch]

oh my god im regening intensity like crazy

[lucid maple]

Is there a list of each msq name in order?