👶beginner-help

[shadow gyro]

oh thats stamina
ty

now missing sparkle

[ruby canyon]

Same hereee

Game keeps crashing and this bug too

[ancient canopy]

no one? 🙁

[lyric anvil]

Bugged ASF

[wintry wharf]

#🐛bug-report

[shell basin]

So silly question but aside from allowing more things to count for comfort and (early on) allowing more Valkyries in dorm, does renovating the dorm do anything?

I know comfort itself has onigiri breakpoints

[storm lantern]

yes you have to keep doing deep sequence, iirc you get the interactions after completing floor 5 and finalizing the run

[ancient canopy]

its always on 5? so when i lite it doesnt happen?

[storm lantern]

if you kill the boss on lite it should work, i imagine quitting before doesn't

[shell basin]

Yeah. You don’t have to wait for the signet or go to the next room, but you do have to kill it

Same rules as farming for currency

[deep island]

are there any rare cases where upgrading a valks skill is bad?

[shell basin]

Uh maybe in the Elysian realm if you have one of the healing skills?

[deep island]

why is healing bad?

[ancient canopy]

gosh there it goes my hope that doing it whithout lite would save me from limbo

[shell basin]

Well if you have kalpas but don’t have his nexus yet it could drop your damage output

[autumn oxide]

kalpas relies on low hp for more dmg^

[storm lantern]

not really for any valks that would be relevant, er is something but u can just take kalpas2 instead

[deep island]

idk what or who kalpas is lol but if u have the nexus it isn’t an issue?

[shell basin]

Yeah you just pick the second nexus and then healing is a good thing again

It’s just that’s technically a case where skill upgrade is hypothetically bad

[autumn oxide]

but ya er isnt a good gamemode to base shit off of

[deep island]

ahh okay so it’s very situational

[autumn oxide]

in general healing isnt needed cos if u die u restart the run

[deep island]

ic

[shell basin]

There might also be some scenario where altering skills means you end a phase transition slightly too fast and need to reup your buffs but I’m pretty sure you can just fix your rotation if it ever happened for real

And then it’s back to being a positive

You can come up with tortured hypotheticals like that

But by and large upgrading skills=good

[deep island]

i’m only asking because i’m leveling up fdd and VBm skills rn and just wanted to make sure if there was anything i should avoid doing

[shell basin]

Yeah no upgrade all of their skills. If you don’t have enough mats some skills are higher priority than others but you’ll want them all eventually

[deep island]

okay! i’ll do that then ty

is there anything i should prioritize buying here?

ik honkai shards are kinda rare

[shell basin]

Ether fuel once you unlock it later

But you have to level up more

[frozen crypt]

!faq tshop

[small willow]

Training Shop

I'm here to help, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Training Shop Purchase recommendation!

Please be aware that Jade Knight's Character Card costs only 1 ticket, the requirement to purchase is cumulative for every ticket you earn regardless of if you spent them already.

[shell basin]

Honkai shards are a pretty good purchase

[deep island]

ohh it doesn’t show up just yet for me?

[shell basin]

And then you want a bunch of phase shifters but it’s easy to get too many of them (I did) and then they’re just asterite

[frozen crypt]

ether fuel appears after lvl 50

[shell basin]

Heavily reccomend more than anything else just buying whatever mats you need to clear a given game mode

If you need to level FDD’s skills, get the coins and skill materials you need for that

If you need xp… etc

[deep island]

i’ll likely do that

[shell basin]

Some stuff is harder to farm than others but none of it is worth missing out on abyss crystals because you didn’t have the damage you needed

Or whatever

[frozen crypt]

Remember to be conservative of the first 4 matz in that shop, only spend them on stuff that you will genuinely use and is useful to you

[shell basin]

Yeah also useful advice

Don’t be afraid to spend if it is useful but make sure it actually is

[deep island]

okay! i’m only focusing on fdd rn and ranking up VBm

[shell basin]

Yeah so anything you need for levelling FDD and VBM and their gear should be your priorities

[frozen crypt]

sounds good

[deep island]

thanks for the help again

[prisma oyster]

how to farm coins fast question mark

upgrading skills so expensive

[shell basin]

There’s not really any good way to do it. Uh I think the alloy weapons 1 node and then salvaging the weapon might be a bit more efficient but there’s no great way to turn stamina into coins

[quick birch]

you can salvage some 3* weapon for some fast coins

[shell basin]

If you have 3* weapons alr you can use them without getting the box

[quick birch]

otherwise if you want so save some coins in future give this a read

[fallen shale]

does PAWS' buff need to be reapplied

[quick birch]

yes, they are applied by her qte and ult and last 25 sec

[fallen shale]

is it reset by stellar outburst like VBM's?

[spiral badge]

for future reference, most team/supporting effects of astral ring valks are in their 3pc stigmatas https://i.imgur.com/noifn8Q.png

yes

[fallen shale]

oh I had no idea about that lol

I've been looking for them in their skills

[spiral badge]

yeah that's going to be the first place you want to check. There can be a few other exceptions such as

• vita's breach buff is on her ult
• thelema has a debuff from her signature weapon, and it's triggered by using her ult
• senadina's M stigmata buffs team elemental damage from weapon attacks

so you can see sources can be scattered and it's still best to review all aspects when you can

but mainly look at 3pc

[fallen shale]

so for shorter battles I can effectively get away with never swapping away from my DPS by using stellar outburst to reset all the buffs?

[spiral badge]

well not exactly

you can't really reenter outburst as soon as it ends. Teams aren't really made that way

so you start outburst > duration resets > duration gets taken up by outburst time > outburst ends > support effects end around this time too so you need to restart them again for non outburst portions of the fight

and depending on the team and fight, (esp for more extended fights, or transitions where you don't restore as much ARI while time passes), your support effects may end before your outburst is ready again (i know you said shorter fights but i figure i elaborate on these cases anyway since not all fights will be short)

depending on the scenario you may need to tough out a small portion of time without outburst, or you may need to restart support effects for a second non outburst rotation

also, some niche support effects may not be tied to outburst (senadina's team breach in world star teams iirc)

[fallen shale]

well I was asking cause I'm in a short fight rn

[spiral badge]

you're free to record and show us if you want to optimize it

but yeah at that point see if you can use outburst to rebuff yourself rather than manually doing it

---

there's a couple of other cases i can talk about too btw. Some valks have completely passive means to support (sparkle, theresa with herrscher of truth stigmatas)

[fallen shale]

it's for FDD > VBM > PAWS

[spiral badge]

but even in these cases you may still swap to sparkle for other benefits

and theresa may still fall short because of weaker support overall or because swapping across characters can accelerate other things like consuming stellar drains

these cases are more specific though so don't mind them for now

[spiral badge]

PAWS dps if you're swapping to her last?

we usually write out the full team where the first mentioned valk is the leader (dps) so that's a bit unclear for me to read

[fallen shale]

yeah that's how I meant it (FDD leader)

[spiral badge]

also you were asking about PAWS buffs earlier which is mainly something to ask for her as a support

oh ok

[lyric anvil]

Would say VBm first

[spiral badge]

but again context matters too

[lyric anvil]

Oh wait

[spiral badge]

in other words the boss you're fighting or if it's arena/abyss

you don't usually start with outburst immediately either so you do want to buff (damage formula is very multiplicative in this game)

in which case riley is prob right in using VBm first since she can start prepping stuff before enemies appear

[fallen shale]

I've been using VBM's ult to get all stacks before the abyss boss spawns then QTEing to PAWS, ulting, then going to FDD

[lyric anvil]

Abyss usually it's Ult > jump > basic/WA > WA

[fallen shale]

then I just dps rot until outburst is available

[spiral badge]

yeah so keep in mind coralie buff stacks are only one portion of her kit. It sounds like you're missing a debuff aspect which riley mentioned

[fallen shale]

oh does her ult not apply everything

[spiral badge]

that method to get that debuff also triggers stellar drain

it does not

[fallen shale]

:<

[spiral badge]

if the ult hits the enemy then it'll apply the mentioned debuff and an additional debuff from her 2pc

but in many cases we actually make coralie's ult hit nothing

[fallen shale]

so should I do her ult, then when the boss spawns do the jump attack wa thing?

[spiral badge]

because the ult slows down things going on in the stage while the timer ticks down at normal speed in abyss so it's not very time efficient to do

[fallen shale]

yeah I've been doing it at nothing

I did try to time it to hit right as the boss spawns but it wasn't working out

[spiral badge]

you can either wait for the enemy to spawn completely to make the ult hit. This does have valid niche use cases (sprout of wishing in RL)

but otherwise yeah what riley said most of the time

[upbeat egret]

Its depend on how fast you can enter SO... which Astral op are u using?

[lyric anvil]

I used VBm quite a lot during 8.1 and 8.2
Plus Sai being the one helping me with VBm rots

[fallen shale]

dreamseeker

[upbeat egret]

Rl?

[lyric anvil]

I remember them saying A2

[amber finch]

whar to use for abiz

no hofi

[quick birch]

fdd/paws/vita

[lyric anvil]

^

[upbeat egret]

Vbm ult-> paws ult-> fdd qte-> weapon activ->ult-> basic fdd weapon ult-> then SO if available

[upbeat egret]

@fallen shale

[amber finch]

ew

[fallen shale]

yeah this is basically what I've been doing

[upbeat egret]

If you can enter SO faster you don't need to wait for vbm WA

[spiral badge]

optimizing in HI3 is often a matter of best fit for whatever hp the boss has

so once you know the full capabilities of what your valks offers, you can remove some aspects when you don't need them to speed up the fight

[upbeat egret]

[spiral badge]

support effects don't have to be maximized overall. The objective is clear time and not actually damage, even though the two usually go hand in hand a decent amount

so that's why some of this may sound a bit contradictory to what we were saying earlier about doing more for more other support effects

[fallen shale]

tbf I might be entering max tryhard cause I'm up to 891 bonus points rn

[spiral badge]

yeah you only need enough to clear or outbest other people's scores even if it's not exactly crisp and clean/maximized

[fallen shale]

with that rotation tho what I've found is the SO doesn't kill the boss and I have like one extra rot I need to do to kill it

[upbeat egret]

Do you have a record?

[fallen shale]

yea let me export it

for some reason I haven't managed to get 891 on record but I do get 887 in the video

[spiral badge]

a general concept is to also make full use of a support effect's uptime before refreshing it so you can reduce the amount of times you need to rebuff yourself

often times people may enter outburst asap because it ends the fight sooner or it lets them recharge their next outburst sooner

but let's say you're doing a fight composing of

• half non outburst rot
• outburst
• half non outburst rot

then it may be better to just extend the first half rot to a full rot to remove the latter half rot and skip one instance of rebuffing yourself

[autumn oxide]

@amber finch do i open elf box for kia3

[amber finch]

eh i wouldnt

[autumn oxide]

ion got chenxue tho

[spiral badge]

anyway showing us would be best. I think we covered enough examples to demonstrate how strategies and methods can change and even take opposite logics depending on the scenario

[autumn oxide]

and all the other ops are shit

[amber finch]

ds is good tho

[autumn oxide]

no demej bro

[storm lantern]

skip abyss play osu

[amber finch]

if it were 4* kia then i’d consider it

[amber finch]

mf so is 3* kia

[storm lantern]

is 3* kia even more damage than sonk

[autumn oxide]

idk maybe

[upbeat egret]

No

[amber finch]

and you only get like 40 ari too

[autumn oxide]

less than ss sonk

[autumn oxide]

i dont need ari i need damage

[lyric anvil]

45 with 3 star

[fallen shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdwYqUCvtAg

again I did something like this to get 891 but idk why I can't get 891 anymore

[spiral badge]

(forgive me for not saying this earlier but i actually am not familiar with FDD optimizations yet since she's new and i have yet to use her competitively. I'll have to leave this to asaphie and others for now)

[upbeat egret]

You can try to add somebasics before finisher

[lyric anvil]

They would have to hurry before SO runs out

[upbeat egret]

Ofc

You can also try weapon activ instead of basic at the end

[lyric anvil]

Ends really quick in RoO

[spiral badge]

i mean i think if it's being suggested it's prob possible

[upbeat egret]

A dodge A can also work with fast hand

[spiral badge]

but people's performance across devices may vary so do at least give it a try

[upbeat egret]

A is more damage

[lyric anvil]

Same thing as PAWS?
Interesting

[upbeat egret]

Its only worth if you are missing a bit of damage

[lyric anvil]

I see

[gaunt oak]

do we know if we're getting top-up bonus reset for anni

[thick steeple]

Is getting Hofi worth it if i have the DK for her? Speaking from the perspective of dragon coralie and PAWS teams (ion have vita)

[shadow gyro]

prob not bc unless u pay for bp and theres literally nothing else that u need (like dkeys and valks in the rotating supplies) it will take forever to get her from there

from reserve that is

[lyric anvil]

VBm can work

[thick steeple]

If i do buy the Bp i actually wil have enough ballz to afford her
Iam basically asking is it going to be a notable upgrade from VBm or do i just go get some shawarma wraps with that money

Also do have both HoO and Hotr

Not fully built tho

[shadow gyro]

tbh not that worth it in the wrong run, vbm is alr good for fdd and p2 slot filler

[thick steeple]

Maybe like 60%of the way there

[shadow gyro]

and trio weather is getting nicher by the day

the only thing going for it is hoo strat

[thick steeple]

Which iam guessing is not worth buying a whole bp right?

[shadow gyro]

if u wanna buy bp the rotating shop may have more value

[shadow gyro]

not imo unless u really really like hoo

[thick steeple]

I do, but i like my wallet more

Alright shawarma wraps it is, thanks for answering

[shadow gyro]

then dont imo

enjoy ur shawarma

[lyric anvil]

Tbh food can be more worth it

[shadow gyro]

yummy food

[thick steeple]

The price of getting the bp where i live can feed me for 2 weeks so

Yeah

[lyric anvil]

Sheesh

[shadow gyro]

its ok f2ps are fine with this game just be more active as usual

[thick steeple]

It was really a debate of whether it's HoO and 2 weeks of food

[thick steeple]

I've been getting blessed with valks in the first 10 pulls
That's why iam scared iama get folded next patch

[shadow gyro]

its alr + long patch will let you save more
also gj

[lyric anvil]

8.4 is back at 9 weeks anyways

[thick steeple]

I'll pray i don't get folded next patch
Tbh I've been unlucky in every other game so it figures
Ty for answering again and have a good day

[shadow gyro]

u too

[lyric anvil]

Cabbage blessed me somehow with S2 Dark Lord
Started dying once I saw double after 20 pull

[upbeat egret]

Okay riley we know that you lucksacked

[lyric anvil]

Lucksacced too much to where I had to spend extra after Chenxue to get DKey box

[upbeat egret]

We are waiting a top 50 in myriad then

Should be possible with your whel team

[lyric anvil]

I'm still in RL

Won't be getting a T50 from me till I'm in Nirv

[amber finch]

hey

[shadow gyro]

[gaunt oak]

anyone have a guide for FDD ER yet?

[amber finch]

how much score shuld i get in rl

fdd paws vita chen all s

[shadow gyro]

dunno bc on in nirv rn
thats more than an easy 800 tho, maybe 830 or more
lemme check smth rq

my build in translator is asleep i cant even check bili bili tsk tsk

[shadow gyro]

no scratch that, thats possibly a minimun

[lyric anvil]

Ches got close to 840

[shadow gyro]

looking at the bili bili vids vs dis 850-860 is easy to reach

[lyric anvil]

Time to see how Skill issue I am in this

[shadow gyro]

hopefully ull do well
me on the other hand i think im cooked but i should still have a chance to stay in top 10 assuming ppl are still affixing or still didnt get cora yet..

[lyric anvil]

Mine's still missing one affix
(Aka she has one bad affix while the 5 are good)

[storm lantern]

i'm gonna get op with my side stage crystals and top 5

ignore my 1430 atk

[shadow gyro]

umm i have 1.4k atk... no more coins n im tired rn

[lyric anvil]

I'm close to that

1398 on FDD

[amber finch]

erm 841

1460

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

ik im just too good

[shadow gyro]

seeing bili bili vids reach 850-860 u should be able too

[amber finch]

dies

[shadow gyro]

[lyric anvil]

Bella freezes ches

[amber finch]

elsa moment

[ruby canyon]

Bro are you serious, i was in middle of a cutscene

[dry python]

Relevance to the channel where

[scenic ivy]

What is beginner team for dragon coralie?

[lyric anvil]

FDD, VBm, VBs
Could use RC over VBs
Though VBs triggers Leader

[scenic ivy]

I dont understand😭,i only know fdd

[scenic ivy]

Alr thx yall

[gloomy acorn]

I'm at 859 with pretty straightforward rot, there's one cancel tech that could probably push it a bit higher

Fdd spam for 3 ult > SO rot > fdd spam for 2 ult

[upbeat egret]

860 where

How much is your D?

[west forum]

how to get it?

[shadow gyro]

currently only from the dkey box in the mini spending
but if u dont have xys then its much rarer

[charred matrix]

should I start new account?
lvl 86
4/4 S rank paws, lantern, songque
4/4 SSS coralie
6.8k xtals
my returnee event is over
(and no I have no attachment to this current account, I'm considering a new account because I can't get out of agony in myriad)

[gloomy acorn]

Sea™ 515d

Idk where to cut off more stuff

[upbeat egret]

What team? You have a record?

[gloomy acorn]

Fdd paws lp, gimme a sec I rec

[upbeat egret]

Did you try hofi ?

[gloomy acorn]

Oghei got 861 while recording
Am go try hfi first

[shadow gyro]

account looks fine but if ur willing to grind in the new one then yeah u can consider it as it will give u a good start
reroll if u want too

[gloomy acorn]

Missing bit of dmg with hfi, may need 1-2 more swipe on so

[west forum]

how to unlock these windows?

[shadow gyro]

i believe it has smth to do with the other side?

[west forum]

ahhh okay i got it, thanks!

[shadow gyro]

👍

[upbeat egret]

Hofi+ paws?

[gloomy acorn]

Oh lp paws

No lp is fine?

[upbeat egret]

Try hofi+paws

In one ring cycle hofi can be solid

[charred matrix]

I see, but if I were to salvage this account who should I be saving for?

[shadow gyro]

would lp paws be better is my cora affix is bad

[upbeat egret]

Lp paws is better generally in nirvana

Hofi can probably be faster in RL? Need some tests

[gloomy acorn]

Dmg lacking

End up with same score since I need to swipe more during so

[shadow gyro]

if u cant affort cora then save for 8.5 that will prob be anni

[gloomy acorn]

Mebbe I try diff rot?

[upbeat egret]

How much did you get with hofi?

[shadow gyro]

i see, im in nirv so ill use lp, paws
ds tho, didnt pull chen

[gloomy acorn]

859

[upbeat egret]

[gloomy acorn]

Wait hfi paws or hfi lp

[shadow gyro]

😭

[upbeat egret]

Hofi paws

[gloomy acorn]

Yeah 859

[upbeat egret]

You have a record?

[gloomy acorn]

I try diff rot and rec

[upbeat egret]

Maybe i have an idea

Send the hofi paws record if you can

[gloomy acorn]

Ok somehow I lack dmg now, score dropped

[upbeat egret]

Wtf

[gloomy acorn]

852

I need extra combo now

[upbeat egret]

Wait you did 859 before

[gloomy acorn]

Isok I send 852 and asalao fix to 860+ surely

[upbeat egret]

Lets see

[gloomy acorn]

fuck no nitro

I go upload first gimme a bit

[upbeat egret]

Sure

[static ledge]

Hi, immutable crystallum have a limited time to use?

[shadow gyro]

no its permanent now

[gloomy acorn]

https://youtu.be/Fw_TUCfbGHc

[upbeat egret]

Make sure that kiana weapon activ hit benares and skip helia ult.. you can try and see if more damage

[gloomy acorn]

Oghei

So just kia into coralie straight and skip helia?

[upbeat egret]

Kiana weapon -> helia qte-> coralie

[gloomy acorn]

[upbeat egret]

Kiana weapon need to hit benares and should trigger helia qte

[gloomy acorn]

Bit more dmg but not enough to cut the number of hits

Maybe with better affix on cora can cut 1 hit from so but slower start offsets the score gain

[upbeat egret]

How did you get your 859 with hofi before then

[gloomy acorn]

Even if you ask me idk

My best guess is seeing 849 wrong

Oh right does anyone happen to have a non SS chenxue ref for aka

[upbeat egret]

You can 888

No S0 in p1

[gloomy acorn]

I'm stuck 55s on p1

[upbeat egret]

Hofi paws

[gloomy acorn]

Yh hfi paws

[upbeat egret]

Hofi weapon->paws-> weapon+ ult-> coralie

For p1

[gloomy acorn]

Hfi weap before aka spawn?

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[gloomy acorn]

Hfi eva first hit or no

[upbeat egret]

No

[round pebble]

I got all the purchasable Dkeys from the bp shop, what is 2nd priority for crystallums?

[static ledge]

and in the store, it will reset when patch changed, right?

[shadow gyro]

theres 2 shops in there
bp works have the newest thing in bp and its character n gear only last 3 versions (need to buy bp to get anything from there)
reserve works is a permanent shop that anyone can access but it got old stuff around 6.4 and older but the stuff will never go away so u can get anything from there at any time

for bp works its 3 versions total from the day the specific valk n gear get added

[sweet flax]

option 1: wait for any dkeys you are missing if they are relatively old like soe:ae
option 2: can be an account dependant decision I just got hoo gear since I frequently use her as an example

[verbal kraken]

we cant skip the pulling animation anymore now that coop is gone ig yea ?

[sweet flax]

yep, no skipping

[round pebble]

im missing star of eden, & Xuanyuan sword

[sweet flax]

do you buy bp or just f2p

[round pebble]

I bought the last two, but Im not sure if I wanna commit to another. I feel like I got what I wanted

[sweet flax]

then in another 2 patches when you have enough to get something from bp, keep an eye out for any reserve shop updates

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion will mention updates

[round pebble]

oke

[shadow gyro]

did u get the dkey box from this spending or did u use it for smth else?

since xys is rare for somereason u can get it from there

unless u alr pulled or ur skipping this patch

[static ledge]

oh sorry, I meant the dorm shop that can exchange immutable crystallum. When will it reset?

[round pebble]

I pulled but didnt get nearly enough to buy the box

[shadow gyro]

ah i see its ok

[round pebble]

only spent somewhere around 11k crystals

got what I wanted so Im not pulling anymore

that being said, what should I buy with 280 "finest attendants"?

[shadow gyro]

check the guide in pins

[shadow gyro]

the 2 in the shop resets patchly

[round pebble]

I dont understand the guide

[amber cedar]

hi. what weapon should i get?

[shadow gyro]

#👶beginner-help message

[vivid horizon]

I lean toward purana, since RC is more accessible and more flexible than JK
but noct is also a valid choice

[upbeat egret]

Purama

[vivid horizon]

I'd say eq cards then pretty much whatever to use up the last few

[amber cedar]

i see. thanks guys

[shadow gyro]

ig i just buy ncc?
i can spend 5 more pulls to get 70 of the currency but i alr got cora + wp and i used my dorm pulls

[warped geyser]

i linked my acc but it still says it's not linked in the server, do i have to link it directly to my server profile

[sweet flax]

#account-linking-guide

[warped geyser]

i did that😭

like it shows me playing but it doesn't show up on my server profile

[sweet flax]

you already checked linked accounts in the server? that's the only thing needed to do, could probs take time to update check again another time

[warped geyser]

nvm

i had to add the role

[sweet flax]

[charred matrix]

what level does the starter manual unlock?

[sweet flax]

should be there by the time you finish the first chapter

[charred matrix]

strange

I'm on chapter 5 on a fresh account

[sweet flax]

have you ever logged on before

maybe into the region accidentally or such

[charred matrix]

I did the tutorial earlier and everything

not sure if I logged into this google account before and just didn't do the tutorial

I was rerolling for fdd

[sweet flax]

ye but if you ever logged on (into the bridge) with this account before, the "starter period" flag gets triggered and the 90 day countdown begins

even if you havent played or entered the game

[charred matrix]

even if I didn't do the tutorial?

[sweet flax]

ye

[charred matrix]

dang

that sucks

[sweet flax]

its a common case actually, since you havent progressed much if you want to, you can restart just for the manual while you can

[charred matrix]

I might end up logging into another account that's in the same state again

does salting emails work in hi3?

[sweet flax]

you can salt the email if you want to get emails on the same email

yes it does work

[charred matrix]

oh nice

[warped geyser]

what is salt

[charred matrix]

adding periods to the email
[e-mail]

[warped geyser]

that works?

[sweet flax]

if you wanna have multiple accounts on the same email, you can salt your email by adding a period to it, as vanilla has shown
so emails sent to [e-mail] and [e-mail] both end up as emails to myemail.email.com

[warped geyser]

it doesn't override the og account/alts?

[sweet flax]

no because if those emails are already existant it will just show a "already registered" error

[warped geyser]

does that work only for honkai or hoyoverse or literally anything

[sweet flax]

it works for a lot of things to list, but the important thing here is that it helps in rerolling for hi3

since instead of having to make 50000 emails you just need 1 essentially

[warped geyser]

tysm i was here scrounging all my spare emails

[sweet flax]

there is a rerolling guide in the server that explains this more, let me link it rq

#👶beginner-help message

just check the how to salt emails section

[charred matrix]

does 2 periods work or do they have to be separated by letter

m..yemail

[sweet flax]

I havent really tried, but i'd say just go about it like myemail > m.yemail > my.email > mye.mail

just to save the trouble in the case that it doesnt work

[charred matrix]

fair enough

[marsh cloud]

how long is the main story of the whole game?

[sweet flax]

long

its mainly player pace that dictates that which is why there's no direct answer

[marsh cloud]

okay, thanks

[sweet flax]

however you could try checking with #📚honkai-lore they will probably have an estimate
keep in mind that channel tends to be full of story spoilers

[thick bolt]

eh should have broken 150+ hours on autoplay by now

[marsh cloud]

damn, that is a lot

[prisma fiber]

Can I use Kiana to replace sushang

[sweet flax]

which kiana? if fws then ye

the important thing is that they have the symbiosis tag to support the goi ring

[prisma fiber]

Who's better between Fws and Hohe

[shell basin]

Depends on the boss, like Hohe is a bit better if there's a weakspot enemy, but I think FWS in general is slightly better? Most p2 supports with the right tag are pretty close to each other though, it's the difference of a few points unless one of them is weather buffed

[sweet flax]

hohe buffs are very meh in general, fws should generally speaking be a better support option in most cases

[prisma fiber]

Do I just use Cora's turn until Vita's buff ended? Non SO

[vagrant token]

vita dps team is still the same or does new Helia hepl more (i don't have new coralie)

[vivid horizon]

same, paws doesn't support vita dps

[vagrant token]

okki

and if i had new cora ?

[vivid horizon]

then it's vita fdd (hofi or vbm)

[vagrant token]

[shell basin]

Aside from allowing more things to count for comfort and (early on) allowing more Valkyries in dorm, does renovating the dorm do anything? I know comfort itself has onigiri breakpoints, but dorm level? Does it affect what missions you get?

[outer spruce]

dorm level affects the rewards from errands but also raises the requirements for the errands

renovating dorm only affects comfort

if I remember correctly, dorm level also affected the amount of spare stamina stored up and the amount of coins stored up in dorm bonuses

[vivid horizon]

yep, specifically dorm level 36 makes S+ errands require SS war treasury valks

[upbeat egret]

@sweet flax where 780

[sweet flax]

I cant go past 760 😭

oh wait did you mean ma?

im slaccing it rn

[upbeat egret]

Abyss

[sweet flax]

oh ye im cooked in abyss

[upbeat egret]

You got 757 right?

Or 759

[sweet flax]

759

[upbeat egret]

780 doable

[sweet flax]

need ref idk if when I should so or if I should be doing ari gen with hofi

[upbeat egret]

I cooked smt for you

[sweet flax]

my savior

[upbeat egret]

With optimisation + high fps probably 785

[sweet flax]

does time fracture affect benares falling

[dark eagle]

How good is s2 new coralie with 4/4? I also have badumleoleolee tuna and female kalpas without the anger issues

Sadly I only have wanderer as astral ring

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[sweet flax]

vita s2 cucking me

[upbeat egret]

Wait

[upbeat egret]

Nice 785 go

[sweet flax]

why are you specifically asking about s2, do you plan on pulling for it? in which case its unecessary

[upbeat egret]

You need to turn off vita weapon tf

[dry python]

wow pulling chenxue without getting ss

[sweet flax]

ah this?

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[sweet flax]

didnt know you could turn it off lmfao

[upbeat egret]

Prof btw

[sweet flax]

IM NOT EVEN A PROF

[upbeat egret]

Go and get 785 or rip

[sweet flax]

:c

781 seems to be the limit for me

[dark eagle]

I got 3 coralies

In a 10 pull

[sweet flax]

that's ss not s2

[dark eagle]

[sweet flax]

in which case yes ss is a very strong boost

[sweet flax]

then you only pulled 2 copies

you probs confused the 3rd for the regular coralie?

[dark eagle]

I did say 3 coralies

[sweet flax]

-_-

[dark eagle]

Ik it was base coralie

Like zzz and wuwa

0 1 2

S2

[sweet flax]

well anyways, since you already have s2 just treat it as a bonus

[old tendon]

thats not how this works

[dark eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-pose-senti-vegeta-vegeta-senti-herrscher-of-sentience-gif-7955799100582697100

[shadow gyro]

dont say it like that in here bc this is not how it works in hi3 okay?

[dark eagle]

Oh ok

[shadow gyro]

anyways u alr have a good team for badum, paws n fdd

youll use vbm for fdd btw

w/ paws

[upbeat egret]

[dark eagle]

I onlynhave free AR

From the story

[shadow gyro]

ds is enough

[dark eagle]

Great

[sweet flax]

when you pull a copy of a s rank you get 50 shards
from s0 > SS each rank up costs 25 shards, so you get s1 AND s2 from a single copy
2 copies is SS

from SS > SSS each copy is 1 rank up

[dark eagle]

What's the rotation for the team? @shadow gyro

[dark eagle]

I see

I thought u guys follow the ingame rank

[shadow gyro]

u can check the valk guides in wall of pins

[dry python]

That is the in-game rank

[sweet flax]

the game doesnt even hide it, you could check at any time

[sweet flax]

ill try to get a few more dkeys c: maybe that helps

oh wait abyss will leave by then

sorry asaphie I failed you

[upbeat egret]

Nothing we can do

[sweet flax]

What if

Hmmm

Ye no I'm cooked

[upbeat egret]

What is mango doing?

[amber finch]

rotting

[shadow gyro]

this stays closed right?

for paws

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[shadow gyro]

👍

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-puppy-sleeping-going-to-bed-dog-going-to-bed-gif-11495956736830452104

[upbeat egret]

Did he already play?

[upbeat egret]

Dreamseeker can 780

[shadow gyro]

nirv?

i need a rot...
also my affix is still ass but nothing to do about it

[upbeat egret]

How much did you score?

[shadow gyro]

didnt score on boss yet bc im still experimenting with her in general
but i alr know that i cant keep up with the chen n teri rots

[upbeat egret]

Maybe you can 750

But the question is if 750 is bringing us anywhere ( retain or myriad)

[sweet flax]

Nah

He was still 0 last I checked

[upbeat egret]

Mango dead

[shadow gyro]

hmm cant tell yet but 7th place is 21777

[upbeat egret]

Okay we don't need to bother

Retain will be 800 probably

[shadow gyro]

😔

[upbeat egret]

I still have a 781 run but I have one synergy on cora and helia...
You can probably do 760

[shadow gyro]

technically i can get s chen if i sacrifice anni pulls but i dont think that will fix the problem

[upbeat egret]

I can send it if you want

[shadow gyro]

sure thing

i would appreciate anything atp

[sweet flax]

is s chen and ss ds that big of a difference?

[shadow gyro]

im mainly thinking about ari tbh since i cant get ari as fast as chen n teri vids

but she should still be at least a bit better than ds all things considered

[quick birch]

From what I remember the DMG dif isn't that crazy the most noticable thing is probably the initial Ari

[upbeat egret]

Mango alive

[quick birch]

[amber finch]

die again plz

[quick birch]

Woah

[amber finch]

[sweet flax]

coming from ches it feels like a 2 year old trying to threaten you

[amber finch]

[sweet flax]

hofi skin was on week 2 or week 3?

[upbeat egret]

You should focus on dk+ aop not skin

[sweet flax]

:C

[shadow gyro]

ty my savior 🙏 🛐 🛐

[sweet flax]

I've been waiting since 6.8 for this

[upbeat egret]

No problem

[amber finch]

pyramid hofi?

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-nod-fran-isekai-fast-gif-7087891165681916231

ok asaphie what if I whale for ss chen

[upbeat egret]

Bro can not get ss chenchen but want to whel on old skin wtf

[amber finch]

do it noob

[sweet flax]

sure send me $20 and I do it

[amber finch]

smh poor

[upbeat egret]

Depend on your funds

[sweet flax]

probs wont tbh

id have to put a good amount in and it doesnt seem to be worth the return

ill just hope for early chen from banner if I get it, nice, otherwise wtvr

[upbeat egret]

Cooked

[sweet flax]

its ok, I have a masterplan

next patch cope hard enough there will be a new stellar key, then I pull that dkey and ss chen

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-gif-5935759059195122434

[upbeat egret]

Wtf you are recommending peeps to not backpull but you will backpull?

Prof btw

[sweet flax]

IM NOT A PROF

[shadow gyro]

asu prof when

[sweet flax]

when im forced into it

[shadow gyro]

[sweet flax]

im happy being that random eu vita simp who helps in the beginner help channel

[upbeat egret]

I will capture this and next time you recommend someone to not backpull ... I will cook you

[sweet flax]

I can always pull out the oldest excuse in the book

"im a whale so backpulling wont harm my account"

[upbeat egret]

True vita simp are sss+3 wdym

Not even ss vita smh

[sweet flax]

those are meta slaves

[upbeat egret]

Nah there are some peeps in RL with SSS+3 wdym

[sweet flax]

I dont need SSS+3 to outscore them

[upbeat egret]

We are talking about simp

[sweet flax]

I mean the redlotus part says enough

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

[upbeat egret]

Fake simp smh

[sweet flax]

your insults mean nothing

well anyways since we are getting off topic, would ss chen pull even benefit me

considering I dont have paws and might not be able to get the next valk should they be goi since I have like no crystals

[upbeat egret]

I thought you will whale for next valk

[sweet flax]

I thought about it

but idk depends when the next valk comes

im still waiting for a raise

[upbeat egret]

Don't worry mango will whale for us

[sweet flax]

god bless mango

[upbeat egret]

Mango the last hope

[quick birch]

wtf i left for 10 minutes

[autumn oxide]

thanks mango

left to take a loan right

[quick birch]

yeah ofc

[sweet flax]

so thoughtful mango

[oblique imp]

[ancient needle]

Mango doesn't need a loan, he gives them

[void mural]

Are my elf good enough or should I start pulling the AO?

[quick birch]

AOPs arent needed until you want to retain nirvana and even then f2ps don't have the budget for it most of the time

[shadow gyro]

theyll be ok the aops will be better but not worth it for u
also youll prob use ds more esp for ari

kia4 is good for dmg tho

[sweet flax]

albeit in rl you can get away with 1 so on majority of the bosses

[shadow gyro]

mhm

you get a faster access to it tho

kia4 will def beat ds in terms on dmg but im not sure about ely n bunny tho and hohe really wanna play in SO otherwise its mostly thelema playing lol

[charred basin]

this is just crystals or does suppy ticket work too?

[sweet flax]

@quick birch I hate you

[sweet flax]

supply tickets are treated as 280 crystals

[quick birch]

swy

[charred basin]

[vagrant token]

The competition in my bracket is wild for Agony 3, there even is quite a diff between 1 and 2 because of a s2 new Cora, is she that strong

[quick birch]

that's just her boss and ofc she'll be the best on it though the diff between t1 and t2 shouldn't be that that big it's prob just a skill issue

also both of those teams are really overkill for a3

[vagrant token]

[lyric anvil]

Those are Nirvana teams

[vagrant token]

They make me wanna pull, but i've got no savings and i'm waiting for next patch valk reveal, if i break now it's gonna be difficult later

That's my team to cope during Burning abyss (i'm not leveling up the weaps because A: i didn't have much ressources when i got them, B: i prioritize p2 weaps for upgrades)

[left vale]

so chenxue needs SS then?

maybe i will pull on rerun in 8.5

[vague lily]

What teams can I use with the new coralie?

[quick birch]

any combination of paws,vita,Hofi+dkey and vbm will work

preferably paws + vita

[vague lily]

I dont have paws. I have vita and hofi though.

[left vale]

vita hfi works well

[vague lily]

Alright, thanks guys.

[sweet flax]

prof still doesnt know faqs

[upbeat egret]

Too much faq to learn

[upbeat egret]

!faq gachaop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

From a meta standpoint, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[left vale]

im not F2P
i like collecting asops
i love chenchen design

[quick birch]

she really wants SS her S barely does anything

[left vale]

alright ill pick up SS on a rerun

im at 25 til on asop banner currently

[upbeat egret]

Weren't you the guy who was saying S chen is op?

[quick birch]

what no ?

[left vale]

he's coping

[quick birch]

if i did say smth like that that was def just cope

[vague lily]

Although FoV is coming to the battle pass. Is there any chance her fragments will get added to any of the shops in the future?

[quick birch]

yeah she should be in reserve work and WT eventually though WT will take several years from now

[ancient needle]

Bro, you can't afford 8.5 atp, what Chenxue xdd

You aren't that much of a whale

[left vale]

i already put my calculations into the calculator

i can afford 8.5
im at 24 til on coralie weap and 25 til on asop banner

[ancient needle]

30k on the last day of the banner is not "I can afford 8.5"

[left vale]

uhhh yeah it is

[storm lantern]

suspicious

[left vale]

i also bought monthly

probably will continue to

[ancient needle]

Well, even if I agree to that, you'll need up to 85 pulls on SS Chenxue

[upbeat egret]

Bro let they do what they want

[ancient needle]

I'm saying that it's not possible

[upbeat egret]

They said they want ss chenchen

[ancient needle]

They want 8.5 too, that's the issue

[sweet flax]

?

that's like a 10 pull my guy

not a million dollar loan

[ancient needle]

10x per month tbf, we have 3+

[upbeat egret]

@ancient needle

[sweet flax]

true

[ancient needle]

Yes, ik

[left vale]

who's to say i won't whale tho lmao

[ancient needle]

You mentioned it before xdd

Just saying not to underestimate how much you may need to pay up

[left vale]

it won't be that much

as long as i buy BP and keep my card going im fine

[rotund pasture]

How good is the astral op? I was thinking of getting her

[quick birch]

she really wants SS to shine in GoI and RoO her S is pretty mediocre and generally if your goal isnt to retain nirvana not worth it at all

[lone kindle]

!faq gacha aop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

From a meta standpoint, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[chrome pumice]

returning player from before pt.2, what's worth buying in all the different stores?

is there a consolidated guide for all store stuff?

[sweet flax]

most of the things are listed in the pins of this channel

if you are unsure of specifics feel free to ask

[left vale]

first, i would highly suggest restarting so you can get a headstart with the beginner freebies (~20-25k crystals)
#👶beginner-help message read this
as for stores, do you mean the returnee store or bchip store?

[chrome pumice]

i was reading this pin:

Unless you own anything of value, for example an established valkyrie collection (for dorm stats that would take far too long to rebuild), or lots of support gear or Sena/HoTr+HoRb with their full gear, it is way better to restart.
looks like it's probably okay to use my existing account, I have horb and hotr with stigs and weapon. and a pretty decent collection

[sweet flax]

just to make sure you are caught up to speed, atp p1 units are no longer able to compete with p2 units especially in the abyss, now depending on your own goals this can be a problem
remaining on your account would mean having the patience to rebuild it from basically 0 over time with more p2 units assuming you have no crystals available, hence why the other guy suggested restarting

[left vale]

HoTr and HoRb at this point are not going to do anything at all for you

[left vale]

especially without any dpses to actually put them to use

and no RS or sparkle to prop them up

[chrome pumice]

hmm yeah, don't have either

[left vale]

i would really suggest restarting
you will get a huge crystal boost. i even would say maybe reroll for the new coralie, and then you can start saving for 8.5 which is anniversary

[chrome pumice]

what's the new coralie's full team? and how good is she at brute forcing all the different content?

[left vale]

you won't have access to the full team. for now you'll be able to use her, helia (VBs), and the A rank coralie (VBm)

which is fine because the a rank helia can contribue to her leader skill

[chrome pumice]

i was trying to roll coralie on my old account, but wasn't able to get her

she looks cool

maybe i can give rerolling a shot, idk

[left vale]

if you want, you can wait until tomorrow which will be when we get 5 free battlesuit supply cards
with the discount you can simply use your 5 cards, see if you get her, and salt your email and restart if you don't
you need to reach lv20 to get the cards but that's like 10 minutes of playing so it's fine

[cobalt pelican]

Is 4/4 new character good (just got it in 30 pulls)

[chrome pumice]

so in pt2, all stigmatas are craftable now? so i just need to roll the valkyrie and the weapon?

[left vale]

yes, very good

[left vale]

correct. but you'll get every stig by the time you get the weapon anyway

[cobalt pelican]

What team to run her in (I’m still using lv and senadina)

[left vale]

who do you have?

[cobalt pelican]

Not a lot ngl

[left vale]

you can always use A rank coralie and sena/helia

[cobalt pelican]

Lemme check

Eden HorB

[left vale]

do you have HoFi (with waxing moon dkey and iskandar equipped) or vita?

[ancient needle]

Geared?

[chrome pumice]

not sure if this helps. but these are my old units. pretty much fully geared

[cobalt pelican]

Cosmic expression

[cobalt pelican]

Good enough I guess?

[ancient needle]

4/4 or bust

[left vale]

unfortunately there's just nothing here that's useful anymore

[cobalt pelican]

Most of them are 3/4 sena is 4/4

Horn 4/4

[chrome pumice]

what's changed since then. is it just purely numbers? or something fundamentally gameplay related?

[left vale]

both

[cobalt pelican]

I’m still forced on LV (don’t think I can reach red with that icl)

[left vale]

use FDD VBm and VBs
idk if sena is better than VBs here, but she might be

[chrome pumice]

do units/teams these days still need SP stig affixes or rank-ups to have smooth rotations? or is that an issue of the past?

[cobalt pelican]

I need a coralie team (what’s her premium)

[ancient needle]

Issue of the past

All P2 valks just run ATK

[left vale]

an issue of the past, sp issues are not a thing anymore

[chrome pumice]

thank god LOL

[left vale]

premium is vita PAWS

[cobalt pelican]

No vita 😭

[chrome pumice]

maybe i WILL just reroll

[left vale]

then use VBm

[ancient needle]

How many crystals do you have rn though?

[cobalt pelican]

Dang it idk if I even have her (I prob do?)

[left vale]

she's free
her gear is too

[chrome pumice]

flat out broke now, tried rolling new Coralie but failed miserably

[ancient needle]

What's your current pity?

[cobalt pelican]

Ight

Now who the hell is Vbm again I forgot just now

[chrome pumice]

s-rank guaranteed in 20 on valk, haven't rolled any equipment yet

[cobalt pelican]

I’m like losing brain cells playing this game

[left vale]

coralie

[cobalt pelican]

What’s her gear?

[ancient needle]

There is some copium about HoRb potentially getting a dkey next patch (and she was alr given away in a spending event, so you wouldn't be able to benefit from it on a new acc), so maybe consider waiting for more 8.5 news

[left vale]

blast hammer: blazing red and tsiolkovsky TMB

[cobalt pelican]

Oh my resources are cooked

[ancient needle]

Restarting right away is a good idea too

You should be able to afford the entirety of 8.5 if you start hard saving rn

[chrome pumice]

hmmm

8.5 is the anni patch?

[ancient needle]

Yes

[left vale]

yes, which also means you cannot skip

[ancient needle]

If I had to pick I'd restart, but ofc up to you

[left vale]

i'd even consider rerolling for FDD

[chrome pumice]

are we in start of 8.4 right now? i actually have no idea what the schedule is atm. i just saw Dragon Coralie on the hoyo launcher and decided to log in

[ancient needle]

Yes

[left vale]

8.4 started yesterday

[ancient needle]

Any notable one-time crystal sources left btw?

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ancient needle]

Very notable ones would be P1 story and a lot of valks in ER you haven't touched (particularly in Shallow Sequence)

[chrome pumice]

P1 story i've done only up to chapter XI, so i think i have 12k crystals from it still. all of p1.5 and p2 crystals.

and also voyager log/chronicles to do

[ancient needle]

So a lot of xtals left

[chrome pumice]

ER and open world i think i've pretty much cleared most of. except for new characters in ER

do we have any teasers or early drip marketing of who the anni character is?

[ancient needle]

||Based on one of the events in 8.4 (didn't drop for us yet, only CN) it's very likely Elysia, but it's not yet confirmed and we don't know anything gameplay-wise||

Generally speaking you can follow #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

The valk teaser should be on 28th-29th

[ancient needle]

That's not about a potential dkey btw, no info about that at all

But contenders which make the most sense rn are HoRb and LV

[chrome pumice]

yeah, the problem with rerolling a new account is losing all my old dkeys lol

[left vale]

how many?

[ancient needle]

And which

[ancient needle]

If it's LV she should be given away in the spending event (no guarantees ofc, but that is the pattern)

HoRb alr was given away in the past

[chrome pumice]

i have 15/19 dkeys.
missing: Twins of Eden, Flawless Benediction, Waxing Moon, Xuanyuan Sword

[left vale]

oh yeah that'll sting

but 8.5 valk isn't worth much if you have nobody to use her with
you'd want to be able to get FDD too
so it's a tough situation tbh

[ancient needle]

Okay, let's discuss goals then

Do you want to be a very competitive player? Or are you on the more chill side

[sweet flax]

honestly depending on if we get a new dkey in 8.5 or not it might solve that problem

[left vale]

they'd still be missing a 3rd teammate, unless you count VBm

[chrome pumice]

hmm, i was pretty competitive before. but i think i don't mind staying semi-casual now. probably just happy with maintaining Agony for now

[sweet flax]

true, but I think a filler is fine considering with paws having 1 supp was enough to get 3 ult casts with the sp
assuming they dont care about redlotus

[ancient needle]

Then dkeys don't matter at all

[chrome pumice]

true

i'll miss them tho haha

[ancient needle]

You'll get them eventually

A lot of them are obtainable through permanent means

[left vale]

they give out dkeys quite often as well

[chrome pumice]

oh? for real?

[sweet flax]

right now you can get one of the rarer dkeys like xy sword and 5 of them are now available in bp (not counting craftable/realms)

[chrome pumice]

sounds like they've gotten pretty generous ever since

[left vale]

also most of the p1 dkeys are available in the reserve works shop

[ancient needle]

It takes a while to get them from Reserve if you're F2P though

It's very quick if you do pay up

[sweet flax]

1 per 2 patches long to be percise

[chrome pumice]

what's the reserve shop?

[ancient needle]

A shop related to BP that has almost all of older gears and valks

[sweet flax]

bp has 2 shops now, one with a featured valk and her gear (like the old bp)
and a second shop with older units and gears

[left vale]

BP shop

[ancient needle]

HoFi + everything from 6.2 and before

[ancient needle]

Except Asuka and XY Sword

Oh, and SoE:AE

[sweet flax]

hofi and hoo*

[chrome pumice]

ah, i found it. it was hidden away

[ancient needle]

Ye, thx

[sweet flax]

if they'd add hotr it would be amazing to say 6.4 and earlier excluding collabs -_-

[outer spruce]

bp balls are permanent now so can just save up and get dkeys eventually

[chrome pumice]

yeah, 10 balls a piece

[ancient needle]

Collabs? Plural?

[chrome pumice]

does BP still run in 4 patch cycles?

[ancient needle]

Nope

[left vale]

isn't fischl gear excluded

[ancient needle]

The balls never change now

Is it?

[sweet flax]

is it not?

[ancient needle]

I think I've seen her bow at least

[left vale]

i didn't ever see it in the shop

[sweet flax]

wait I need to check

[ancient needle]

Ye, pls do

[ancient needle]

There are 2 BP shops: paid and Reserve

[chrome pumice]

wow, what the QoL?!

[ancient needle]

Reserve was alr covered

[left vale]

in exchange for terribly long and dry patches

[sweet flax]

wtf fischl weapon is here

[ancient needle]

In the paid shop a valk stays for 3 patches, and you need to buy BP when she's in the shop to be able to buy her, her stamps and/or her gear

[left vale]

i had never seen it there

[sweet flax]

me neither lmfao

[ancient needle]

A valk is being added every patch

[left vale]

thelema is likely next

[sweet flax]

although I guess it would be weird if zhenyi was available in bp and not the weapon

[chrome pumice]

cool, anyways, thanks for the help. i'll think about it a bit more

[left vale]

does this mean JDS in BP in 8.7

[ancient needle]

Also, I just checked, it could take a while until we learn enough about 8.5

Like 2-3 weeks

[sweet flax]

9 week patch moment

[left vale]

next patch is 10

[sweet flax]

bruh

[left vale]

12 week patch when

[sweet flax]

can we at least get like 1 more event

[ancient needle]

Should've been 8.7, but the beta lied about 8.6 being 11

[left vale]

1 not chibi copy paste boring ass event

[sweet flax]

cant wait for them to only run the reruns of golden courtyard and captainverse for a 20 week patch

[left vale]

52 week patch when

may as well make them 1yr

[sweet flax]

part 3 patches

[outer spruce]

same amount of events but given fall girls permanently to compensate

[left vale]

part 4 105 weeks

[sweet flax]

part 4 will be available as a seperate dlc for honkai's new title

[ancient needle]

1 Part = 1 patch

[ancient needle]

HNA

[outer spruce]

part 5 is just a teaser for Honkai Crossing

[sweet flax]

part 6 will be teased in part 7 through a random string of dialogue

[outer spruce]

part 8 starts with teri finding a crumpled up piece of paper left by Otto that just says "Honkai Kart"

[tame slate]

Hi!! I have a box to choose as a Returnee and I can choose between Herrscher of Sentience, Starchasm Nyx and Dea Anchora, who would you recommend? The only S ranks I have are Azure Empyrea, BK Excelsis and Shadow Knight

I’m level 52 btw

[shell basin]

what are your goals?

if youre aiming to be competitive it would be much better to restart, since all your units including the new ones in the box are free

[storm lantern]

is there an affix box? also level 52 returnee is really bad have you considered restarting

[shell basin]

but if you're attached to this account for some reason

none of those units are very valuable

so it's whoever you want and if there's an affix box or something strongly consider that instead

[storm lantern]

level 52 is 3-4 days of progress for reference

[shell basin]

and you're giving up at least 13000 crystals for it, plausibly more depending on achievement and story progres

[sweet flax]

level 52 is 1 or 2 days max of progress you will be lvl 60ish in 3 days that's where the exp curve starts

[tame slate]

Wdym I’ve been playing for like 10 days hahahahahah like an hour daily. But I’ve been taking my time reading the story that’s why probably

I’m just a returnee because I had a newbie account that I dropped a long time ago and just decided to try the game again and this time I’m enjoying it a lot. Just a bit lost on what characters I should get

[shell basin]

you'll get all of those character for free inside a few months

[tame slate]

Also yeah the ones I have are from dorm supply nothing from the actual gacha event

[shell basin]

how many crystals does your account currently have?

[storm lantern]

yeah leveling without starter manual takes a lot longer

[tame slate]

Not too many just like 10k tbh. I had nothing when I started again last week

[shell basin]

Anyway you can continue if you want on this account but be aware you're giving up like 50 free pulls and a bunch of mats

[tame slate]

Is there a guide to reroll correctly or something?

[shell basin]

IG you could also try spending your crystals on FDD's banner and hope you get lucky first?

[tame slate]

Why? Due to newbie rewards or something like that?

[shell basin]

yeah

newbies get around 13k crystals from newbie rewards, and a ton of free stuff like Jade Knight, Hov+Wep, dorm cards, ether fuel, honkai shards, asterite, and so forth

[tame slate]

Ohhh so it’s not really that worth it to be a returnee? 😭 I thought it was

[shell basin]

no Hoyo hates returnees fsr

[tame slate]

I guess the only good think about the returnee are those returnee funds that look really cool but that costs money lol

[shell basin]

they get a banner with outdated valkyries and almost no rewards

[tame slate]

Ok I’ll probably try to reroll then. I just want to get Elysia tbh 😭🤣

[shell basin]

One of the elysia battlesuits is available in War Treasury for free once you've played enough, one costs real money or about 5 patches as a f2p, and there's rumors of maybe a new one someday but we dont have any confirmation

[tame slate]

Yeah I was thinking of getting the BP eventually to get the Herrscher of Ego battle suit that’s the one I like

And I saw her miss pink elf in war treasury

[shell basin]

if you want Herrscher of ego the level rush is the best one

newbies get it, it gives a ton of crystals and gives her on top of it as a bonus

very cost efficient

[tame slate]

Newbies get everything then 😭🤣

[shell basin]

yeah it's real

[storm lantern]

rerolling is a good time investment if your primary concern is , current banner is a breach support which means she's likely going to be important for 8.5

[ruby canyon]

bro

i just spent 12,000 crystals i stil didn't get the dragon

[storm lantern]

sorry to hear that

[ruby canyon]

fuck this game bruh

[storm lantern]

gachas are like that

[spiral badge]

we don't recommend rolling if your crystals were that low. Keep in mind for most intents and purposes, you'll want the weapon as well if you didn't already roll for it.

In the future consider saving crystals until you have enough to guarantee both valk and weapon together (or at least enough to be well above average)

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

Anyway sorry you weren't able to get her but the pity you accumulated won't be lost and can be used on a later valk down the road.

also for future references, rolling talk should go in #📿gacha-salt🧂 . If you're seeking help after your rolls be sure to express that clearly here.

[tame slate]

If I start playing with an account that is already in Hoyoverse (but not HI3rd) do I still get the newbie rewards? I just started in an account I already use for Hoyo and I did chapter 1 and don’t have the newbie thing yet

[shell basin]

yes, but if you ever logged in to the game even if you didnt play the timer starts from them

[sweet flax]

the thing is if you ever logged into the elevator (didnt even enter the game) the beginner flag gets triggered

[tame slate]

Damn maybe I did. I started rn from the very first cinematic so I’m not sure

When do you get the newbie thing?

I’m lvl 15 and did chapter 1 I guess I should have it already

[sweet flax]

normally during chapter 1, some people mentioned not getting it until they finished chapter 1 but that was a bug with their game

[tame slate]

Damn I have to reroll again

Thanks 😭

[sweet flax]

you can just salt your email btw

if you dont wanna make 500 and keep your hoyo accounts on the same email

[ancient needle]

Or change the server to EU if you haven't touched it

That does affect reset times though

#status

Abyss opens 11 hours after the reset and closes 6 hours before it

[sweet flax]

basically opens 3pm server time and closes 10 pm

[ancient needle]

It opens on Mondays and Fridays and closes on Wednesdays and Sundays

[lyric anvil]

NA from what I can tell is the same but is the last to open and close
With Abyss

[sweet flax]

all server daily reset is at 4 am server time, na is just behind in server time but share the same patch days and updates with eu/sea (albeit sea get their updates 2 hours earlier than us)
the only region that's actually ahead is cn

[lyric anvil]

Only slightly ahead

[sweet flax]

4 weeks is a bit more than slightly tbf

[lyric anvil]

4 weeks-?
Jesus

[sweet flax]

where do you think we get the banners and future update info from

[lyric anvil]

True

[inner bronze]

Anyone got a link for fdd in ER?

[sweet flax]

you can check on hoyolab since the er build pin hasnt been updated yet, but generally speaking

ma/rc + br supports

ego signets that dont require entering so
hua2
vv1/vv2
su1
griseo1
pardo1
kalpas2
should be fine enough

can also take advantage of the variable arms buff while its there

[tame slate]

I did another account and I’m about to finish chapter 1 and still don’t have the newbie rewards

I’m cooked

[ancient needle]

Another acc that you alr had?

Or a brand new one

[inner bronze]

Ok thanks

[tame slate]

That I already had but I find it impressive that I logged in using like 4 accounts and never even played a bit lmao

[ancient needle]

[tame slate]

I just tried 2. Then I had the returnee one and then I had one at lvl 3

[spiral badge]

at any rate if you want starter's manual (beginner event) you may more consider starting a fresh hoyoverse account or at least one that hasn't connected with hi3 at all yet. The pins has more info on reusing the same email for it too

[ancient needle]

Impressive ngl

[upper oracle]

what was the copium fdd team again? hofi smol cora?

[ancient needle]

PAWS > Vita > HoFi > VBm

[upper oracle]

whats paws

[ancient needle]

S-rank Helia

!faq glossary

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[upper oracle]

ah

[warped geyser]

i have a reroll w fully geared paws and bfd, achieved with started manual xtals, should i invest in that account over my main with fully geared sparkle, vita, bfd, and 36k xtals?

[oak estuary]

Id keep the sprokle bita bfd acc

[warped geyser]

like invest in it instead?

[oak estuary]

Yup

[tame slate]

Is it better to pull Senadina or Songque? In those banners we have at the beginning

[oak estuary]

Neither, pull coralie instead

[storm lantern]

starter banner characters are old the discount sucks and they don't share pity with other banners

[warped geyser]

need some more opinions plz

[shell basin]

what does story progress look like on each acct

[storm lantern]

i agree with 名前無し

[oak estuary]

Honestly, this is the first time i got called with the kanji spelling

[shell basin]

either seems easily justifiable, but old account with sparkle seems better especially if we're just talking this patch. New account gets a stronger argument if old account is fully tapped out of one time crystals but I think it's close even then, and if you have a lot of story and er valks left on old account then it's less close

biggest problem with new acct is that you'll spend all patch with 1.5 teams which means probably bouncing rl instead of maintaining it consistantly

[warped geyser]

okay let me get the details tysm everyone for ur opinions and explanations

[chrome star]

Meta wise

Dreamseeker SS or Chenxue is better in abyss? If so how much does a difference does it make having or not having Chenxue?

[left vale]

?

chenxue is an astralop for Grail of Infinitude and Rite of Oblivion

Dreamseeker is a general astralop with TDM/TDT buffs

Dreamseeker is worse than Chenxue but that doesn't mean pull Chenxue

[quick birch]

dreamseeker shouldnt be better in LoA/WoD/WS some of her ARI charging and SO buffs arent AR type bound

[warped geyser]

new acc: level 81, p2 story and all missions completely uncleared, bp lvl 14, 6 orbs, 34 days left on starter banner everything cleared, open world all mostly uncompleted, story at ch 11, voyage anecdotes incomplete, chronicles incomplete, 60% expeditions without first clear, 4/4 paws and bfd, 0 xtals

old acc: lvl 88 maxed, all p2 stuff cleared, bp lvl 48, 42 orbs, samsara and schicksal complete, apho 2 almost complete, all voyage anecdotes complete, chronicles complete, all expeditions complete, story at ch 35, er all cleared with all owned valks at lvl 15, 4/4 vita, sparkle, and bfd, 37k xtals

[left vale]

does she have buffs outside of SO for LoA WoD and WS

[quick birch]

though ofc her main value still lies in GoI/RoO teams and players which goal isnt retaining nirvana in the near future shouldn't pull her

[quick birch]

as said her AR charging state arent ring bound

[left vale]

ok then

[quick birch]

RoO and GoI just also get additional buffs on top of that

[ancient needle]

I don't think Vita and Sparkle are super valuable atp in your case outside of MA
It'll be a bit tougher on your newer acc during this patch ofc, but it should pay off in the near future

Sparkle doesn't do much at all (unless we get a LoA/WS dkey ig), and Vita's use cases are quite limited as well

[shell basin]

That makes the new account much more promising then yeah. Old account has more raw crystals especially if they get a higher income this patch but in 8.5 new account will have a full team and old will be coping with vita support

And it’s not that many more crystals either

If there’s anything sentimental about the old account it’s not a huge downgrade but in terms of future performance I’d rate new one a bit

[warped geyser]

so should i invest in the new account? ty for the responses everyone

[ancient needle]

We don't really know how good PAWS is as a GoI support, but I really doubt she'll be bad at that

And it's not like there'll be many options for a while

[shell basin]

Well we might get a symbiosis dkey in 8.5 /cope

[warped geyser]

i'm too dumb for this sorry can i get a caveman answer

[ancient needle]

New acc good