👶beginner-help

[prisma oyster]

well atleast when i check them, idk my actual final but so far im retaining fine

[spiral badge]

i'm not sure what that means for quantum manifold but it sounds better than exalted agony 2

so maybe i guess it's fair to hold off for now until you get the next patch's valk and weapon

[prisma oyster]

ranking yeah maybe top 10 usually

[spiral badge]

sounds like max rewards from masters tier right?

[prisma oyster]

yes basically

[upbeat egret]

Idk if you mean me but I already know that we don't need aop in RL..DS is enough..its not even debatable..but I have heard that ram want to be more competitive since he said he want to retain nirvana more and this is normally really rare ... I am not relying on bracket luck...and again RAM isn't really a newbie he will probably find the best answer based from what we said a

[sweet flax]

me and water tested aos at different rankings

[upbeat egret]

You mean rl and nirvana?

What was the result?

[dry python]

imagine test at a3

[spiral badge]

i would be interested...

we don't get enough a3 data

[sweet flax]

cay can get us that data

[spiral badge]

there was a time where i would tell my friends in a3 to show me their bracket lol

but now they're usually RL so lol

[dry python]

wtf why so toxic

i literally just placed t50

[sweet flax]

oh nicu

[spiral badge]

@sweet flax @autumn oxide i would be interested in this too btw. Although maybe link it in the #💁gameplay-help since we are getting beginner traffic atm and this may give a misconception.

[sweet flax]

ill have to retest tbh because I found out later on what caused my scores to drop (I love rng) but I will let you know later

[spiral badge]

alrighty. Although beware personalized results may not speak as generally

[sweet flax]

@upbeat egret @spiral badge (sorry for pinging you again sairaan xd)
#👶beginner-help message ds
#👶beginner-help message teri
#👶beginner-help message 3* kiaelf

although with ds and teri I got 834 as my lowest

[spiral badge]

are there any significant differences between you and wottle's account?

[sweet flax]

so it could just be stats difference

[spiral badge]

yeah

[sweet flax]

same atk, I have s2 vita though

[spiral badge]

well nice ballparks to keep in mind at least. For RL this is pretty expected/common of gacha ops tbh

hm ok

[autumn oxide]

im running s0 in rl

[autumn oxide]

s2 rl and ure below me damn broski

[sweet flax]

? 839 is still a good score

also unlike you I suffer from severe skill issue

tbh that s2 is making up for my lack of dkeys

[amber finch]

y-you have grill issue??

i cant believe this

and i used to look up to you asu

[sweet flax]

why the fuck would you look up to an eu player that peaked t35

[amber finch]

bc ur asu

also its fun to then immediately kick you down

[sweet flax]

coming from you that's rich

[amber finch]

rich in ches

[sweet flax]

ye I still cant read your username without getting a stroke icl

[amber finch]

just call me cee cee wee eo eo gee tee tee arg es tee em ay py ay es

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/cursed-goat-gif-6856262736279591755

[outer spruce]

bro summoning demons

[abstract sequoia]

i feel like the moment I get to pulling teri i missed most of her runtime like with Thelema

[dry python]

I'll stick with ches thanks

[sweet flax]

pov: you pull after their release

[abstract sequoia]

yes exactly

i still don't regret thelema though, i would've coped hard on any ice weathers

[spiral badge]

very hard to say overall and the safe answer to give is really just stick with what's new

LoA can be pretty bruteforce capable too but that sort of idea may not be as viable in nirv. If it was a more casual player looking to do it in RL then it may be an iffy ok

[abstract sequoia]

double shift is just too impactful for damage and rotations to bruteforce

[spiral badge]

hm i don't entirely agree and there's a few cases in nirv where part of that second shift is wasted

[abstract sequoia]

yes, but it still matters nonetheless

[spiral badge]

at the end of the day it's just another instance of better damage to time ratio like any other improvement

it's just the cost for teri op is arguably more justified than say a weapon synergy

although s2 paws seems quite strong

[abstract sequoia]

for now, i'm just trying to catch up here

which i think is doable

[sweet flax]

not necessarily, and to be honest there are a lot of cases where you can do just fine without it

especially not now when loa is going to be less demanding as a ring

[spiral badge]

teri is more than a second shift too but part of that may overlap with chenxue (RoO stuff)

or rather taken away from teri

[abstract sequoia]

it really doesnt feel that way once I set foot into any Nirvana LoA cycle

yes there are weathers that are copeable

[spiral badge]

even if you have teri op you may observe a large gap anyway. Teri isn't the only thing setting you apart

[sweet flax]

I mean nirv is just have the best or demote and eventually nirv too will be more focused on goi with more valks of that ring than loa just like how we went through ws and wod phases

[abstract sequoia]

but the majority of LoA i'm just screwed over

[sweet flax]

better to be prepared for the future than ready for the present

[abstract sequoia]

i'm missing like 30 atk in dks, which become lower

otherwise its just ranks

and some minor dorm bonuses from the final dorm levels

[spiral badge]

and this is nirv

ranks are prevalent

but yeah all those can matter add up largely together whereas the cost for each of them is too great individually

[dry python]

No

It's not some game breaking skill

I've told you this before

[spiral badge]

it depends on the specific cycle i would say

we can bring up a few examples

[ancient needle]

It's not game-breaking, but it sure is strong

[spiral badge]

but overall don't expect it to cover all LoA scenarios

[ancient needle]

And ye, its value can depend on the cycle

[spiral badge]

like sure it's great if vita is going aladdin for PS dps

[abstract sequoia]

i just feel like it helps especially if you're a newer account that lacks stuff that older accounts already completed years ago

[spiral badge]

naturally but at that point you are still behind

[dry python]

^

[spiral badge]

it's dynamic and it's not simple

[ancient needle]

On Alien with Bleed mobs it was pretty good too

[spiral badge]

such older accounts may also just be lazy and use the ranks as a crutch/luxury rather than capping too

[abstract sequoia]

until they don't

[spiral badge]

yeah both ways are valid

[abstract sequoia]

but maybe i just fail to understand nirvana skillgaps

[spiral badge]

some of it can be highly convoluted tech too

[abstract sequoia]

i assumed by default that most retainers know what they're doing

[ancient needle]

Unless they're whales they do

[spiral badge]

anyway some of the not so worthwhile examples can be old homu performer where the fight ends on FWS shift and you don't mileage from the timestop

at the very least in NA, there's a good amount of slackers

or those who don't perform as well as they should

myself included sometimes

[abstract sequoia]

EU is heavily polarized

thats how it feels

[spiral badge]

ok i can't speak for EU but other people here seem to be saying otherwise

[foggy mantle]

Hi, I haven't play HI3 since the start of part 2, is my account gone?

[spiral badge]

and i'm not saying NA isn't polarizing either

[dry python]

Idk what I'm doing btw I just scored 6 points behind someone last cycle while being an entire rank ahead

[spiral badge]

you can still recover it. Make sure to confirm your age on hoyolab iirc

[ancient needle]

Or are you asking whether you should make a new one?

[dry python]

They're not na

[ancient needle]

From the meta perspective

[dry python]

So they probably don't need to

[spiral badge]

oh

[foggy mantle]

My age?

[dry python]

american gacha law

Dw about it

[spiral badge]

sorry i got confused because hoyoverse is closing accounts on NA that haven't confirmed their age yet

[abstract sequoia]

oh dear

[foggy mantle]

Oh, I'm Asia server though

[spiral badge]

yeah tht's why cay corrected me

[dry python]

Yeah that's why I said dw about it

[spiral badge]

but anyway if you're asking if you should start over or not, that depends on your personal goals with returning to the game

[abstract sequoia]

when exactly did you stop playing

[ancient needle]

You can show your valks + weaps + stigs and we can go from there

[foggy mantle]

When part 2 came out

[spiral badge]

if you're casual and want to stick with story and events, you don't need to start over.

if you want to become meta, then it's likely anything you have is obsoleted and you're better off restarting to get beginner and one time crystals for newer stuff

[abstract sequoia]

okay so its not the conversion issue

nothing confirmed

and i advice to put any talk about it in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[ancient needle]

Also pls spoiler tag that

[spiral badge]

even if you want to be meta, starting over isn't a requirement either. if you're very attached to your old account then you can pick up where you left off. it'll take more time to catch up but it's possible

we have no news about this yet. Check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for what we know so far for sure

[foggy mantle]

Sorry, I've forgotten where I saw it and didn't know it was not confirmed

[spiral badge]

well let's stick with what we know for sure here

this isn't really a channel for speculations or non confirmed news

and if you saw anything confirmed but not officially then that's a leak and not allowed in this official server

anyway if you want to prepare for a possibility of anything coming in the future, the main thing is to start early and save up crystals

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

there's alot of general information in pins too. Take look at it if you haven't yet. It's alot of course so take your time and feel free to continue asking questions as long as they're not speculations or leaks.

anyway i need to go now but other people can help in the meantime

[spiral badge]

(for Ram) quick note before i go, i think early on Sa's fight wasn't too notable with the extra shift either

i might be confusing this with something else though. I want to say sparkle support wasn't too significant over other options either but that may be because of songque fish skips

and ofc even if differences are minor, that minor difference can still be significant in nirv

[abstract sequoia]

i remember sparkle being important for additionial badum ult

[spiral badge]

but brackets are also volatile to really say

[abstract sequoia]

actually, i think i topscored with both her and vita as supports

[spiral badge]

but you need to assess how that is for the entire fight. A single extra ult isn't going to be notable if you lose damage elsewhere

and part of sparkle's problem is having an awkward slowish shift too

anyway i'm not trying to give a hard no but do try to inform yourself and research deeply before taking the plunge on backpulling teri

[abstract sequoia]

i need to, because it might involve money

thanks for the advice

[spiral badge]

actually you may want to check out homu performer with sparkle early on

i know some people used sparkle's ult on herself rather than FWS even though the latter gives FWS an extra ult

[abstract sequoia]

for the lower ult cd?

[spiral badge]

and from what i tried, using on fws didn't cause an issue with later ults

[dry python]

"behold... it's bullshit!"

[spiral badge]

but also older cycles aren't really representative of future cycles as dist rises

[spiral badge]

no i dont' think they ever revisited sparkle's own ult with it

[abstract sequoia]

weird use then

[ancient needle]

It absolutely was cuz of fish skips

[spiral badge]

the thing this was so early on i don't think fish skips were known yet

guaymas might be nice to look at too btw

because it has recent and early cycles. Early cycles i definitely recall us getting to teri's second SO just as the fight ends so you don't mileage much from it (not even the second shift. just the better ARI stuff)

flux tank i think had this issue too

anyway just food to get started and thinking. Please do double check all my postulations here

and teri may be more fine now that things are bulking up from dist but also more niche as later ring types become more prominent

anyway i'm gone for realsies now

[sweet flax]

see you in 2 mins

[upbeat egret]

Well this is only rl test tho...this is normal to me

[sweet flax]

sairaan requested I ping you too

[upbeat egret]

Yeah this is why I said " you need to think if you really need her"

[upbeat egret]

Np i don't mind xD

[desert canyon]

I joined the game about some time before Sparkle banner but ended up not getting her anyway and now I'm coming back to the game for a new battlesuit, though idk if my account is good enough for the current status of things, it has the herrscher of the void and sentience and starlit astrologos (the recommended team for herrscher of the void) heavily invested into and I heard that this team is very outdated. I am now debating if I should just start fresh since I don't believe there is anything really good worth holding on to, though to be fair I don't know which Valkyrie or Battlesuit is good and my account is mid(level 46 or such).

[abstract sequoia]

very different in nirv i guess from being more in non-SO

[ancient needle]

1. It's definitely best to make a new acc in your case imo, having Starter Manual is huge and it'll allow you to understand the game a lil bit better
2. Please spoiler tag the ||Ely|| part, it's CN info (we don't even have official confirmation about that yet)

Pulling-wise you should get the new Coralie that comes out in a week

The pins here have a lot of useful info, this is a good starting point:

!faq lost

[small willow]

Feeling Lost?

I got this, Captain!

The following guides are a good starting point to help you feel like you know what you're supposed to be doing as Captain of the Hyperion!

See the channel pins of #👶beginner-help for more:

• Account Progression Pointers: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• What to pull right now: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Valkyries you should buy for Asterite: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Clearing up misconceptions about the meta: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[desert canyon]

alright, to be honest even though I played for some months I'm still a bit lost on account progression and starting anew might help me in the long run.

[ancient needle]

Yeah, also you'll be leveling up a lot faster

lvl 46 is nothing

[abstract sequoia]

you could get that in 3 days

if not less

[vague lily]

I came back to the game very recently after a short break and forgot most team comps. What 2 teams should I use against these bosses in memorial arena with these characters?

[vague lily]

I have 4/4 of vita. thelema, sushang, kiana, and have the stigmatas of sparkle.

[steep scroll]

i have a single durandal with no sig do i js restart? but I don't wanna redo all the story

[quick birch]

ps/sparkle/lp
HoFi/HoO/HoTr
you can also try some HoO dps shit if have GD+ weapon

[steep scroll]

wait sampo is actually a real character in hi3? did he come out in hsr or hi3 first why am i geekin out from this info

[quick birch]

he was introduced with sparkle during the collab

though let's not get into why and from where he came since this is beginner help

[steep scroll]

fair

[autumn oxide]

werent u at 823 or smth smhsmh

[autumn oxide]

no im bad too

[sweet flax]

????

oh wait ye

but that was slacc run

[autumn oxide]

good job malder

[subtle lark]

how do you parry.

[storm lantern]

use a melee atk as it's about to hit you, a lot of characters can just spam basic and it works

[subtle lark]

oohh

does PAWS work for it? ill have to reset if not

[storm lantern]

no clue

[subtle lark]

ykw actually ill try

[quick birch]

she does

[subtle lark]

yea i realized it cause i could attack him, thank you both

[west holly]

did the banners end?

[fervent furnace]

If you have HoFi in the team, her attacks work too

[fervent furnace]

Which one? PAWS’ banner ended

[west holly]

all of them

i created a new acc cuz i lost mine like 2 yrs ago and i only saw beginner banner lol

[storm lantern]

vita and lantern banners are still up, ig unlocking them first is just a scum tactic to bait new players

[west holly]

is vita still good?

[lyric anvil]

Best to save your xtals for 8.4

[storm lantern]

good doesn't mean pull them

but yeah 8.4 is going to powercreep her for any use case a new player would have

[west holly]

oh ok. then should i pull anyone from the starter banners? i feel like senadina is bait and i dont rlly want lantern

[outer spruce]

no just save

[storm lantern]

no they all suck

[ancient needle]

Both options in Starter are bait

Lantern is bait too

[outer spruce]

lantern is low quality bait

[west holly]

alr. but i dont rlly got anyone rn 😭

[lyric anvil]

Lampshit

[ancient needle]

Just wait a week

[outer spruce]

the patch is about to end soon, just save for next patch

[ancient needle]

For now you can use the teamcomps from this:

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[west holly]

pardofelis still in clutch omg

wait is hohe free?

[storm lantern]

no she's paid

[west holly]

how much?

[storm lantern]

well technically she's free it just takes 5 patches to get her

[west holly]

well damn

[storm lantern]

i think level rush is $15 but it's good aside from hohe

[west holly]

oo ok

[subtle lark]

i wish 😭 but thank you that will be helpful when i get her

[cold niche]

Is there a place to give codes

The invitation ones

[quick birch]

#invite-links-here

[cold niche]

Ty

[twilit junco]

when does weekly reset happen?

sunday?

[thick bolt]

you can check #status for your server

timestamps convert to your local time

[hearty sequoia]

is coralie worth building

[ancient needle]

VBm? Yes
FDD? Depends on your current funds

[storm lantern]

yes, if you're talking about crafting her stigs then maybe but i'd wait until you see how 8.4 pulls go

if you get a late weapon it's more justifiable to craft her stigs but dont take them past 35 until 8.4 stigs are maxed at least

[hearty sequoia]

alr tyy

[lilac reef]

why is this lobby so slack with only 2 hr left

im gonna have to make sure I dont get 6000 on side stages

[storm lantern]

looks like a nirv bracket rofl

[lilac reef]

[lyric anvil]

[outer spruce]

people don't wake up till the last 20 mins

[fallen shale]

woohoo I made it to agony 3

thanks for your help lads

luckily everyone under me just stopped playing ig lol

[thick bolt]

grats

[fallen shale]

what are the odds I stay in it for more than one cycle this time

pls phys or electric weather I beg

or bleed/paralyse

[storm lantern]

how about both ur dps are type countered and its fire weather

[fallen shale]

||would new cora help me with that||

[storm lantern]

well no cause its next cycle

[fallen shale]

yeah but I mean in general

[storm lantern]

yeah she'll help

[fallen shale]

though ||if Ely really is the 8.5 unit I think I'd want her...||

[storm lantern]

you can wait for 8.5 news to pull if you're fine with losing out on some abyss performance

[fallen shale]

what's the wait for that?

[ancient needle]

Depends on how much info you need, but you specifically should be able to afford both 8.4 and 8.5

[fallen shale]

really?

I'm currently on about 36k or so xtals last I checked I think

[storm lantern]

oh yeah just get both

[ancient needle]

Yes, but iirc you're pretty new?

You should have a lot of one-time crystal sources left

[fallen shale]

oh yeah I should probably get back to the story lol

iirc the one time xtal sources I have left are just story and ER stuff

[ancient needle]

That's still a lot depending on your progress

[fallen shale]

it is a lot just a time consuming lot lol

[storm lantern]

you'll have like 60k by 8.5 if you didnt spend anything

and im lowballing it

just get both

[fallen shale]

so about 30-20k if I do spend something

[storm lantern]

worst case scenario if 8.4 pulls go horribly you can skip

[fallen shale]

what I'm implying is I might get to about 40k by end of patch I think

seems weird to be able to get 4 units in a row like this

[storm lantern]

hi3 is just goated like that

[fallen shale]

yeah so it's specifically 36,378 xtals right now

[ancient needle]

An F2P-friendly gacha does sound crazy

Competitive gacha too

[fallen shale]

used to hoyvo's other games

for story I am trying to actually enjoy the story so I'm using the reading order but that does mean I'm going through actual in-game content somewhat slower than normal

cause reading order involves leaving the game and reading mangas lol

and those don't give xtals :<

[storm lantern]

just spend money every time u read them

[toxic crag]

Should I get Pardofelis weapon or Sushang's weapon? (I don't have HoHe)

I'm planning to use Ice Yae for DPS

[upbeat egret]

Ice yae is really weak as a ice dps

Don't you have another one?

[toxic crag]

I don't have any other one

any reccomendations?

[upbeat egret]

Not even HoR?

[toxic crag]

no

I don't have her, I'm new

[ancient needle]

Pardo will be quite useful for you in 8.4, I'd go for her weap (keep it at lvl 35)

For now you can use one of these teams:

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[toxic crag]

aight, thx

[sick pebble]

Here is a very deep and profoundly insightful question:

dragon corallie and chenxue which one is more waifu material

[amber finch]

whoever you like

cant let others decide on who/what you like

[sick pebble]

how about liking you

[amber finch]

dont like either of em

just pulling bc why not

[amber finch]

if ur not cay then im not accepting your hands in marriage smh

[sick pebble]

I think chenxue is better
corallie is like a legal kid (the game didn’t say how old she is but I think she’s not as old as those eternals)

[sick pebble]

cay?

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

she’s like 17-20 or smt i forgot but yeah she’s a literal child

[amber finch]

cayjunn

[sick pebble]

@dry python

[amber finch]

why pong

[sick pebble]

is this true 😔

[amber finch]

yez

[sick pebble]

I can’t ping profs? My bad

[amber finch]

nah im just messing

[sick pebble]

we both are messing

[amber finch]

try to refrain from pinging mods randomly for no reason tho

same goes with everyone actually

[sick pebble]

makes sense

ima summon him with this instead

!cay

[amber finch]

real

[sick pebble]

but no info is provided for chenxue’s kit

[quick birch]

because she's a AOP she barely has a kit

[amber finch]

shes not even playable if you’re thinking she is btw

[quick birch]

her main roles are being an AOP for GoI with RoO as a small side grade

[sick pebble]

if she exists then she has a chance to become a playable character
—hoyoverse did not say this

ima spread elation somewhere else

[lyric anvil]

Aop's only playable within in Part 2 open world that isn't a combat area

[sick pebble]

her best part is she can jump

I thought she gon be playable for being in an Instagram post 😔

[lyric anvil]

[quick birch]

she got an insta post because she'll be an AOP released next version

[amber finch]

when will i get an insta post

[quick birch]

neva

[amber finch]

die

[quick birch]

[amber finch]

also your new pfp frame fucking sucks

[quick birch]

woah

[amber finch]

[quick birch]

[sick pebble]

[lyric anvil]

[storm lantern]

toxic ches

[sick pebble]

too bad I already imagined the scene where I pull for her, get max affection point, marry her, have a peaceful live bla bla bla

[amber finch]

im so bored that im just switching between apple music and youtube music bc thats all i can do

[sick pebble]

no Spotify?

[amber finch]

me being helpful and friendly would be the weird part

[storm lantern]

me every time abyss is down

[amber finch]

ew

[storm lantern]

actually im playing osu which is worse

[amber finch]

im stuck on a bus for 10h

atleast i got 4 row seats to myself tho

[storm lantern]

read some literature

[sick pebble]

I still haven’t finished the PvZ event stuff

[amber finch]

the ones i want to read are too spicy for a family trip

[storm lantern]

suspicious

[amber finch]

im just watching the music lyrics as a form of entertainment

[sick pebble]

lowkey try hsr (or genshin if you want your kidney sold)

[amber finch]

gi but turn based or gi hmm

[sick pebble]

lemme guess you are sitting next to the driver seat

[amber finch]

nah

im in the last last row

[sick pebble]

they are not that bad 😭

or zzz
I passed physics from just playing it
especially the motion part

[storm lantern]

u cant just say every gacha is "gi but [mechanic]" 😭

[amber finch]

i’ve tried hsr for 4 months since release but nah

[amber finch]

gi but its a worse hi3 hm

[amber finch]

it works when its literally what hoyo is doing to their new games

[storm lantern]

zzz apm definitely too high for u

[amber finch]

wats apm

[sick pebble]

is hi3 gi but sophisticated then

[amber finch]

attacks per minute?

[storm lantern]

actions per minute

[amber finch]

nah hi3 is a copy of a ton of anime combat games that dawei liked

[amber finch]

animations per minute more like (i also played zzz)

[sick pebble]

to me it’s just highschool dad

[amber finch]

i’ve literally played everything from hoyo aside from tof bc its such a flop game

nah jk i just dont like waifu/husbando games

[storm lantern]

is tof hoyo

[amber finch]

wait wrong one, tot*

[dry python]

What kinda bus ride takes 10h in viet

[amber finch]

i literally mistook the name of tot for tof

[amber finch]

a 800 km one

i had the options of plane, train or bus, plane is too fast, trains in vn are dogshit, that leaves the bus

[sick pebble]

what’s vn

[dry python]

Where tf you going

[sick pebble]

oh it’s cay

[amber finch]

Vietnam/visual, if you see #📚honkai-lore say something like “in VN hua is good” then they mean visual novel not vietnam

[amber finch]

da nang

[dry python]

Bro said vietname

[dry python]

For what

[amber finch]

for 0.000038 usd coffee

[dry python]

Bruh

[sick pebble]

ofc I know the visual novel one 😔

[dry python]

10h ride for coffee

[amber finch]

shuddup

[amber finch]

its worth it for the price trust

[sick pebble]

the bus ride prob cost more than a large cup of coffee in your place

[amber finch]

nah jk i just decided that i want a healing vacay bc uhh idk i got tired of my bedroom

[sick pebble]

how much
spill the beans

[amber finch]

its the real reason btw, i had nothing to do aside from sleeping for 18 hours

[dry python]

English major moment

[amber finch]

shuddup i havent touched any materials for 5 months now

[thick bolt]

suggest shifting to #🎮honkai-chat

[sick pebble]

cay is prob the only prof not warning us to not chat here

[amber finch]

whats that channel

[thick bolt]

free choco bread (no scam)

[amber finch]

like he gives a shit (he does)

[amber finch]

WAITTTT

ok moving to #🎮honkai-chat now

oh before that

[amber finch]

190 usd not including me buying random expensive drinks for no reason

[sick pebble]

wait US to Vietnam with a bus is crazy

[amber finch]

its literally impossible with a bus

[sick pebble]

where are you from tho

[thick bolt]

Oi don't revive convo in help chat, #🎮honkai-chat or #off-topic-discussion

[keen solstice]

so wheres the book thing

do i have to just keep progressing?

[storm lantern]

it should unlock around the same time as gacha so if you don't have it i think you're just not getting it

it's better to make a new account that has it but luckily you don't have much progress

[keen solstice]

this is the damn second account

first one was on steam and couldnt link it

[storm lantern]

unfortunate

idk what causes new accounts to not have starter manual but it happens sometimes

[odd plume]

most likely because you did something with that email and the game before but havent played yet

the starter event timer can start before you start to play
best way to make sure that your account is fresh is start from account register

[abstract sequoia]

were the reasons for event timers starting ever found out?

[odd plume]

i dont do experiment on that, but i think it start when you open the loading screen, regardless of if you enter the game or not

from what i see, player with that issue didnt start from this step, and they said they havent played yet, so that is my guess

[keen solstice]

so i have to make a whole new account with a whole brand new email?

this is also a fresh account but no manual

[odd plume]

you can salt your old email

dont need new email

[keen solstice]

i have so many hoyo accounts with email and google and what not

[odd plume]

start from this

not existed account that you just login

step to salt your email
example your email is [e-mail]
you can regist new account using [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail] etc.

every mail sent to those address will be sent to your original email instead

but the game count those as seperate mail

[twilit junco]

anyone have the lore guide again?
i remember someone linked it but i lost it

[odd plume]

so you can create many account with 1 email

just add or move the . around

[keen solstice]

so..all my emails are used for hoyo account

only the steam version has the manual

yeah i guess ill make a new email account then

[odd plume]

check the pin in #📚honkai-lore

[quick birch]

The reading order ?

Ah yeah honkai lore pins will do fine

[twilit junco]

the story playing order

[abstract sequoia]

same thing

if you ignore all the external media like manga

[ancient needle]

Smh gotta have a purple mango on the pfp

[quick birch]

Wait actually goated idea

Now I just have to find a good pic

[misty veldt]

Hello everyone. Who do I go with here?

[low token]

What would be a good team against Sampo?

I should’ve probably sent my character options

[sweet flax]

we are discussing this rn in #💁gameplay-help
ps lead obv but vita seems decent at breaking the shield
(you should leave hohe for rs on the second boss, you dont have that many units)

could do ps vita cora for sampo
rs hohe ta/horb for husk
thel jk rc for SS (although im not sure if thel could 0 second here )

[quick birch]

where SP

but it should be fine regardless if you don't really care about MA ranking

[sweet flax]

there's not much options, what I tried was qte spamming until I got ring so that fws and lp were chipping the shield while charging ar and then start with vita so for buffs and breaking the shield

lp works well in that regard

and has enough sp for p2

either way he doesnt really have the units for scoring high, might as well just try for best clear to get more rewards

[quick birch]

i was more referring to thele not being able to 0 sec

cuz she has no SP for ult

[sweet flax]

ah because you replied to the other msg I was thinking you were talking about vita

tbh im not too sure what they can do considering their units, but either way they dont really have the units for this at the moment

best thing they can do is go for clear rewards

[hearty sequoia]

has it been revealed who is in the next returnee banner/ limited banner?

[sweet flax]

next returnee is thelema
next main banner is fdd

you can check upcomming banners in #👶beginner-help

[hearty sequoia]

Is thelema worth getting?

[sweet flax]

atp no

being a returnee is already a huge downside

the banners they get are also going to be older valks with less usage

[hearty sequoia]

So i should try and get the person in the main banner then?

[ancient needle]

Can you afford her?

[sweet flax]

if you have enough crystals yes

[ancient needle]

You gotta have ~30k crystals

[hearty sequoia]

Yeahh i have alot of crystals saved + high pity already

i never spent my crystals when i first started my account so i have alot saved

[ancient needle]

Then yeah, go ahead

Make sure to grab the weap too

[sweet flax]

how many crystals exactly, just to be sure, and what does your pity on banners look like
more specifically how many more pulls until you get your valk/weapon

[hearty sequoia]

Nearly 55k basically and it says 30 pulls left until am guaranteed to get an s-rank

[sweet flax]

ok ye that's more than enough

get fdd next patch and save the rest for 8.5 since its gonna be cn ani

[hearty sequoia]

alright tyy

[upbeat egret]

Is it better to get vita now instead of waiting one week and pull fdd?

[sweet flax]

dear beginner, please be informed that vita wont be as beneficial as fdd in terms of future content

[faint wasp]

how many days does a version last and what version are we at rn?

[quick birch]

we are currently in 8.3
a version usually lasts 8-10 weeks next version is 9 weeks long so 63 days

[faint wasp]

alrighttt

[sweet flax]

keep in mind 8.4 is nexxt week

[faint wasp]

wait woah that's 2 months what the helly

[quick birch]

yeah longer patches are also a recent thing

before that they were 6 weeks long but we moved on from that

[faint wasp]

do we have info about fdd's kit?

[sweet flax]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[lilac reef]

when will the valkyries and event albums be unlocked?

[woeful cosmos]

looking to get into this game bc i rlly like aponiaaa, how is the endgame and stuff in this game? powercreep wise, f2pness

[quick birch]

the endgame in this game is competitive so you compete against other players how fast you can defeat a boss. Based on your placement in your bracket you then gain, keep or loose some trophies and your trophies distinguish your abyss rank. The higher the rank the higher the income. f2p Players dedicated to the meta can peak into the highest rank nirvana from time to time and even retain if your bracket isnt that strong and you've been playing for some time. F2ps can easily retain the second highest rank red lotus once they have a ~2 established teams, maybe they'll drop to agony 3 (the rank below red lotus) from time to time though you can always ask us for help and we'll do our best to help you retain. Usually redlotus players arent the best skill wise so we're certain with our help you'll be able to at least retain
In terms of powercreep a valk usually keeps a niche for ~2 years but there have been exceptions in both directions some valks fell off earlier others stayed relevant for way longer though this isnt the norm. Note that the ~2 years were the usual lifespan of a valk when we had 6 week patches now that we have 8-10 week patches this lifespan will probably we be longer. Also be aware that powercreep doesnt really matter that much outside of nirvana

also give this a read

[keen solstice]

is this okay for now?

[sweet flax]

beginner teams for the most part dont make a difference who you use, ill link you an faq with some of the premade beginner teams that were tested and are reliable

[woeful cosmos]

thankkk u so muchhh omg. also there is a spending guide like any beginner purchases or bundles that r worth?

[quick birch]

Check out cost effective whaling in pins

Generally speaking level rush is a very good deal for the crystals alone

[woeful cosmos]

can you really brick your account if you don't do event dailies?

[ancient needle]

You don't brick the acc that way
What was meant is that you might not be able to finish the event if you spend the stamina elsewhere

Events that require stamina are pretty much gone atp anyway

[twilit junco]

is there anywhere else to test characters?
i know theres tutorial on the character but theyre so slow and restricting for a while
also ik that you can go to material expedition to get trial characters, but they have no hp

[quick birch]

not really, you can apply for beta and hope that you'll be accepted ig but in the base game testing chars that you don't have is not really possible outside of tutorials

[ancient needle]

If you meant testing chars you alr have then it's Abyss and MA

[twilit junco]

abyss?

[ancient needle]

Q-Manifold or Superstring Dimension depending on your level

[outer spruce]

i used to practice in Universal Mirage and more recently the last stage of Realm of Battle

[ancient needle]

Ah, ye, forgot about those cuz of LITE

[quick birch]

oh right RoB should also have other trial chars no

[outer spruce]

yeah the other stages do

[twilit junco]

universal has no trial characters

[outer spruce]

we mean Realm of Battle

[twilit junco]

oh

[quick birch]

Universal mirage is only for chars you already have cuz teammate mentioned optiosn for that

so they just suggested some more modes that can be used for the same purpose

[woeful cosmos]

oh okk

is there any rush for the story such as for limited time rewards or can i enjoy it at my own pace

[outer spruce]

at your own pace

[woeful cosmos]

alright thank youu ,, is there any guide to a story or any prerequisites to get a better understanding

[outer spruce]

@woeful cosmos

[woeful cosmos]

tyyyyysm

[vague lily]

How do I reduce this purple bar?

[sweet flax]

elemental damage, preferably lightning

what team are you using

[sweet flax]

no fws or paws?

[vague lily]

What is fws or paws

[sweet flax]

badum kiana or the new helia this patch

there is a glossary in pins for the abbreviations

[vague lily]

I wasnt here when new Kiana or new helia came out

Did not know they existed 😔

[sweet flax]

ic

[hearty sequoia]

Is there any other free characters available apart fron coralie

[storm lantern]

there are a lot, the asterite investment pin goes over the good ones

[hearty sequoia]

I mean ones where you dont have to spend anything at all

[storm lantern]

that are cheap to get, some wt valks can be useful early game too but they're more expensive

like free character cards? i think it's just coralie

[hearty sequoia]

alr tyy

[keen solstice]

whats this about

[neon relic]

Whats the fastest way to gain crystals,

[quick birch]

astral ops give you some buffs which are related to the astral ring system such as Initial Astral ring intensity/Astral ring intensity regen, dmg or other buffs tailored to a specific ring type

Dreamseeker is more than enough for most players

[storm lantern]

there's a pin for crystal sources, short answer p1 story

[neon relic]

Oh thx

[keen solstice]

also do i do if destiny concludes after i finish p1?

[quick birch]

yeah that story chapter definitely already contains p1 spoilers, p2 story is seperate from p1 story until chapter 3EX the starter manual also want's you to do a few p2 chapter 1 story missions hence why there isnt any p1 spoilers yet

but destiny concludes is p2 chapter 9 so you'd lack context + may be spoiled for p1

[storm lantern]

do they ever change the price of stamps in er

[fallen furnace]

How is the crystal farming in hi3?

[lone kindle]

@upbeat egret

!faq otc

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lone kindle]

this embed tells you how cristal farming for begginers works

[upbeat egret]

Thx

[slim blaze]

I see

Fastest way is to swipe

[twilit junco]

does does changing the difficulty in the story mode across chapters give anything extra?
like achivements, or extra dialoge?

or is it just gameplay like bosses have more hp?

[haughty elbow]

gameplay

[amber finch]

i completely forgor about you

thats how irrelevant you are, anyways ur in my name now

[slim blaze]

What

Samesies

[twilit junco]

as in only hp adjustments?

[faint wasp]

what's the reason behind why HoFi Is still used in some comps?

[haughty elbow]

dkey

[haughty elbow]

it might be dmg too

[twilit junco]

none change mechanics or anything else?

[haughty elbow]

nah

[twilit junco]

saddies

ty

[fallen furnace]

How is it being an f2p here

[shell basin]

Depends on what your goals are. If you just want to hit redlotus consistantly and get most of the possible crystal income you can do that in a few patches just fine. If you want to hit Nirvana consistantly and compete for high scores it'll take a while to get there as an F2P. If you just want to collect characters that's easily possible, though once you're past your first few patches you might have to pick between occasionally missing a character (a collector might dislike this) or occasionally not pulling their weapon (not advised for meta players).

I think my advice would be to try it as an F2P, since you get a ton of starter free crystals that allow you to keep up with dolphins easily for your first few patches, and then only decide if you want to whale once you've got a feel for the game

[haughty elbow]

pretty good

[frozen crypt]

Game is pretty f2p friendly now as long as you play consistently, if you just play random days/patches you won't really get anywhere

[haughty elbow]

f2p can reach the very top with good investments and effort

on the other hand no matter how much u whale u can still get outdone if u dont play properly

[keen solstice]

is she good

sp means support right or

[odd plume]

nope, just a name for special type of A rank valk
she is usable for beginner

[odd plume]

teams for beginner

[keen solstice]

i dont have like anyone

😭

from the exampes

[odd plume]

most of them are free/farmable or cheap

check asterite shop

[shell basin]

Pardofelis will eventually become a bit outdated on your roster but for your first patch she can support your main DPS in abyss and then for the next few patches she'll be a solid player in MA for you

so you can get a couple of months use out of her

[odd plume]

btw where did you get that A rank helia?

[shell basin]

probably gacha

iirc she's on the beginner banner and you have to pull there once?

[keen solstice]

i guess ill keep using her

[odd plume]

they got MA too, seem like more than 1 pull

[shell basin]

isnt MA farmable

[keen solstice]

who the hell is ma

[odd plume]

i dont think beginner can farm her that fast

[shell basin]

midnight absinthe, aka raven aka natasha

girl with dark grey hair

[keen solstice]

i got her from the beginner banner

[odd plume]

not wrong at least, but swap marco polo B for attila B from foundry

dont upgrade marco B more

[shell basin]

The begginer banner is pretty bad, you should try to avoid pulling there more than you have to

it's a scam by hoyo

[keen solstice]

i just upgraded it

[odd plume]

stop there

[keen solstice]

this one or

[shell basin]

all of the starters supply are bad rn

[odd plume]

we have a post for why starter banner is bad in the pin

[keen solstice]

i see

do i pull from the event supply then?

[shell basin]

The battlesuits are years old and very powercrept, and the pity doesn’t even carry over to good banners

Best advice is to wait about 8 days for the next battlesuit supply banner, which is much better

[keen solstice]

oh okay

[shell basin]

The current battlesuit supply isn’t completely terrible but the new unit in 8 days is its upgraded version so it’s hard to justify the current banner

[keen solstice]

i dont have attila

[shell basin]

Even aside from backpulling in general being sketch

[shell basin]

You can craft it in the foundry

[keen solstice]

wheres that

[shell basin]

Equip -> stigmata -> forge

It’s near the bottom, under basic stigmata if you want to use filters

[keen solstice]

okay, found her thx

this is okay now, right?

[shell basin]

Yeah

Attila b is cheap and gives a really good physical damage buff

Whereas Marco Polo B is pretty weak

[keen solstice]

okay

aint no way its forcing me to do p2

[shell basin]

It’s advised to do it eventually because part 2 lets you get the starter manual rewards and gives you coralie + her weapon, part 2 is pretty unconnected to part 1 so it won’t spoil anything in chapter 1

[thick bolt]

only good news is the absolute latest story condition is just till end of act 1 of chapter 1 from p2

[shell basin]

But it’s not actually urgent

And you don’t have to do much of it

[slim blaze]

Just realize

[lyric anvil]

Gotta do it before your Starter stuff runs out of time though

[slim blaze]

Sub 1 run impossible for ER because the flr 15 bonis stage lol

[shell basin]

They have 3 months

Wouldn’t call that urgent

[lyric anvil]

True

[slim blaze]

~`Less than 100 days very urgebt~~

1/4 of a year

[lyric anvil]

I just don't want them to do what I did and put it off till close till the end (then again Part 2 on a phone isn't fun so)

[shell basin]

part 2 isn’t fun in general

[lyric anvil]

[fallen shale]

fuck it's fire weather

does it matter which valk I use as leader between PS and PAWS?

[shell basin]

Well, which astral ring do you like using better, LoA or GoI?

[fallen shale]

are you basically saying to use the one I find more fun?

but LoA

[shell basin]

Anyway real talk I would suggest trying both, I would guess paws works a little better but it’s probably pretty close

[cold niche]

Part 2 feels very disorganized

I feel like some things were just never explained so I’m in a constant feeling of confusion

Also since they announced new coralie can we like theory what her team would be? I’ll be pulling for her and her weapon and she’ll be the first p2 character I pull for.

[abstract sequoia]

which things specifically are you struggling with

[fallen shale]

in my case I assume I'll just be replacing Coralie with Coralie

and just rotate leader depending on weather

[shell basin]

Her BiS team for FDD DPS rn is iirc FDD Paws Vita, with Hofi and then Blastmetal subbing in if you’re missing people

But she can support both paws and PS as leaders for their weather

[abstract sequoia]

Blastmetal might still be better over HoFi in some cases

[cold niche]

So I’m at 30 ish pity rn on character banner should I try to pull vita for her team? Or just try for coralie?

[abstract sequoia]

go for Coralie

[shell basin]

Save for coralie unless you have a ton of crystals

[abstract sequoia]

Vita isn't worth it anymore

[shell basin]

Vita can support coralie but coralie is the last unit for a long time she’ll be able to support well

[cold niche]

Ok I only just got to 30 pulls saved so waiting for coralie it is

[shell basin]

And even then coralie will be better than Vita at supporting them most likely

[lyric anvil]

FDD is Vita's replacement for LoA

[cold niche]

Ah ic

[abstract sequoia]

actually, what if both are paired

it would trigger Vita's breach conversion

or is FDD also a slow valk in LoA

[lyric anvil]

[lyric anvil]

FDD does have a passive if there's another RoO in LoA

[abstract sequoia]

another thing for the testing board

[lyric anvil]

True

[fallen shale]

would hofi be worth picking up in the future?

[abstract sequoia]

how far into the future? I mean ||she will be in bp||

[fallen shale]

when she goes there yeah

I mean how else would I get her lol

[lyric anvil]

||She'll be like 24 balls||

[abstract sequoia]

depends on your existing valks I'd say

[fallen shale]

PS, PAWS and new cora soon

[abstract sequoia]

and you still need to pay into her dk

which will be the most problematic if you alsk want FDD

[lyric anvil]

Likely a waste to spend for Waxing

[abstract sequoia]

i wouldn't say waste, i mean there's some with almost trio but hofi missing

[lyric anvil]

True

[abstract sequoia]

in which case i would say its worth it

[fallen shale]

in terms of personal reasons I'm sort of asking because of losing out on Badum

[abstract sequoia]

well, hofi is way more niche

[fallen shale]

HoFi is another version of Kiana after all

[lyric anvil]

HoFi only has IMG flower

[abstract sequoia]

you can use her in world star just like badum, but not in LoA

[fallen shale]

do I even have any world star units

[abstract sequoia]

idk you tell me

[lyric anvil]

Should have VBs but VBs isn't a World Star dps

[fallen shale]

yeah

what ring will new cora be?

[abstract sequoia]

definitely not worth it then

[fallen shale]

zamn

[abstract sequoia]

Rite of Oblivion

with LoA support tag

oh and GoI

[lyric anvil]

Yeah

[fallen shale]

hang on I should really go find cora's acronym lol

[quick birch]

Fdd

[fallen shale]

thank you

[fallen shale]

so PS > FDD > PAWS should go hella hard?

[lyric anvil]

Technically VBm for her A rank

[fallen shale]

I know old cora is vbm I just didn't know what new cora's was lol

[quick birch]

BiS on certain bosses

[abstract sequoia]

Behold! Fate-Defying Dragon!

that's why FDD

[fallen shale]

so there's really no good way for me to get a Kiana rn huh

[lyric anvil]

BFDD
But nobody gonna use it

[abstract sequoia]

Someone will who wants 4 letter acronyms

[fallen shale]

what like PAWS

[lyric anvil]

True

[fallen shale]

[abstract sequoia]

some ppl also reject SImp

[fallen shale]

I mean is there any reason we all went with PAWS and not PA

[abstract sequoia]

because they lack humor want something more serious

[lyric anvil]

PA is shorter for it

But PAWS is funny still

[quick birch]

Cuz paws funni

[fallen shale]

oh fair

[lyric anvil]

We also have a Valk named Meme

[abstract sequoia]

theres more

StFu

[lyric anvil]

Forgot about that one lol

[dry python]

i got teammate to lock in FDD for the glossary because bfdd is a shit abbrev

[fallen shale]

but yeah on Hofi what I'm hearing is she'd only be worth if I had a good world star dps

[abstract sequoia]

Caylao

[fallen shale]

which I don't

[dry python]

me

[abstract sequoia]

as a badum substitute

except for some Sparkle bosses where you run both tunas

[lyric anvil]

[abstract sequoia]

unlao

[fallen shale]

so she'd be an even worse investment when I was already told not to pull for badum to begin with lol

[abstract sequoia]

Did you go for PS instead?

[dry python]

Tf

[lyric anvil]

Isn't it just for the Fire weather QUA?

[fallen shale]

I started the game on PS' patch

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[lyric anvil]

Alright

[fallen shale]

just entirely missed Badum, zero shot of getting her even on her first rerun

[abstract sequoia]

yeah i see

if it was me, I would've told you to pull badum

[fallen shale]

when

[lyric anvil]

Badum pretty good tbf

[abstract sequoia]

but both valks are good

[abstract sequoia]

on her rerun, against the backpulling rule

[fallen shale]

I would've pulled Badum this patch if she reran

last patch I just straight up didn't have the funds to do it

[abstract sequoia]

thats fine

[fallen shale]

although I was told that pulling her this patch would've been a bad idea even if she did rerun

[abstract sequoia]

because we have a general anti-backpull rule

but in this case the rule was flawed, with her rerunning so soon and considering her value. there are exceptions to it

[fallen shale]

but would pulling her on next rerun be a bad idea

[abstract sequoia]

i don't say PS was the wrong choice either, because now you have something against Bleed, the most buffed weather in the game

[lyric anvil]

Her typing was one of the points to I believe her being not a bad back pull

[fallen shale]

I kind of installed the game with the main goal of getting PS so I wouldn't have considered Badum at the time

I only ended up wanting Badum after playing the game more

[abstract sequoia]

• The typing
• Her abundance of support tags (WS, LoA and GoI)
• The fact you can build up 3 rings just starting with her

[spiral badge]

alot of valks at this point can have very similar value or worth. As a result, the most recent units will have higher priority for possibly having longer relevance within their own patch and general longevity

[abstract sequoia]

also her amazing support stats

[fallen shale]

but again even with the massive starter manual gains I could've only pulled PS unless I got omega lucky or rerolled

[abstract sequoia]

i see

[lyric anvil]

Yeah
SD has no resistances, Hoyo made a pretty good CNY Valk

[spiral badge]

as for FWS, SD typing is a bit exceptional since they often have different utilities and can often be put together in one team to mileage for each utility but these are niches overall

and in the long run what's mainly important is you keep up with crystal income and pull most releases for general coverage

[fallen shale]

was it only that 8.2 backpull period that was worth or would it be way too late if she reran in 8.4

[abstract sequoia]

yea and badum is the definition of general coverage

even when not BiS she isnt bad

[fallen shale]

I mean the reason I was asking about HoFi is that I do still want a Kiana but I assumed she's at least technically cheaper than badum

[abstract sequoia]

not really if you consider that you want to use your Crystallum for other things

and the awful f2p gains per patch

[spiral badge]

no resistance isn't truly meaningful to me tbh. At a high level, it's still less than advantaged coverage. Also your valk roster should expand greatly that you may be able to swap to a different formation/team to get around any disadvantage. (ofc abyss cycles have multiple factors that may cause you to really narrow your options)

[lyric anvil]

Those should really be used for DKey's you don't have

[spiral badge]

if you're just looking for a kiana at all then is there a reason why the farmable ones wouldn't suffice? also keep in mind you can appreciate kiana in tactics class tutorials too

[fallen shale]

those are neat but I would like if I could have one useable in endgame

I think I do have most of the farmable ones atp

[spiral badge]

The most concrete line i can draw for this is that a patch valk usually gets emphasized greatly in abyss the first four or so weeks before the game goes back to emphasizing other weathers more evenly

[fallen shale]

I've been kinda seeing that with these ignite and freeze weathers

surprised I even made it to A3 in those conditions

[lyric anvil]

HoHe DKey bringing the Ice ones

[spiral badge]

FWS is prob your best bet then. Even if her coverage drops out of abyss, you can prob brute with her for a good while in MA too.

but beware of her costs and what new release you're effectively trading for her

[fallen shale]

what if I pull her if I get lucky with pity on FDD (and she reruns in 8.4)

[spiral badge]

and as a reminder MA ranking highly isn't actually important in rewards, nor is backpulling recommended overall

[spiral badge]

we're not seers to tell you about your luck. The recommendations we make here are more grounded in consistency and accounting for average to worst cases. Any lucky cases can be a bonus that can be reassessed when they happen

[fallen shale]

I mean FDD is already kind of a bonus considering how few xtals I ended up spending on PAWS

[shell basin]

I also regret not pulling FWS in PS’ patch but such is life

[fallen shale]

no I get that but I'm basically saying I'm still gonna prioritise FDD over FWS

[spiral badge]

i didn't question that part though

you asked what if you got lucky. simply put, you would reassess when it happens

[fallen shale]

ok

[spiral badge]

more tangibly, if you don't have enough leftover crystals to have at least good odds for FWS i can only urge you to skip

[fallen shale]

good odds being 30k iirc?

[spiral badge]

given your personal goals though i think you can consider prioritizing FWS over FDD but beware of missing the FDD shill and recent relevance overall

[quick birch]

If we're looking at it from a meta perspective 8.5 is likely to be very good since it's CN Ani and those valks have been extremely good in the past few years. In the end it's up to you to decide if you'd prioritize Kiana over 8.5 if Kiana reruns in week 7-9 in 8.4 we should have all the Infos about the 8.5 unit already so you can make a better decision but the odds aren't in your favor that you'll get lucky on FDD

[shell basin]

One thing in general you can do with backpulling is decide “it’s be worth it if I get them in 30 pulls” is that you can spend 30 pulls and then if you don’t get her that’s 30 pulls on pity. But that only works if you decide a number in advance and actually stop then

[spiral badge]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

i don't agree with this idea, or at least not for backpulling. There's a similar practice we do but it's dynamically dependent on pity count remaining

[fallen shale]

with my current roster wouldn't skipping FDD for FWS basically be having an equivalent account to someone who started in 8.1 and skipped 8.4

[shell basin]

Obviously a more precise estimate of what you’re getting out of it would work better yeah

[spiral badge]

if you don't have enough to fully guarantee valk and weap of anything (esp for a new release) and you still want to try pulling then...

• look at your weapon banner pity. Make sure your current crystal count stays above it.
• pull on valk banner with any excess amount. if you get lucky then you can still guarantee weapon.
• otherwise stop and skip. pity will carry over and you won't commit to an incomplete valk

there can be some rare exceptions

[abstract sequoia]

you honestly get more benefits later out of pulling FDD

with you already having paws

[lyric anvil]

While depending on what 8.5 is ||high chance it's GoI|| FDD could be BiS for her but ||won't guarantee 8.5 is GoI||

[quick birch]

Theoretically yes the problem is that you missed out on most of fws shill and that's what the whole do not backpull rule is based on since from. Meta perspective we want to get a valk at it's peak value

[fallen shale]

right

[spiral badge]

like if you already have an existing weapon that has been tested to be close in results (drive core users) and aren't competing too highly (minor differences are a big deal in nirvana)

or if you're getting a valk late in their meta life and will more use them for support purposes where their signature weapon personal damage isn't important. Make sure their weapon utility isn't critical too (thelema weapon is too important as an example)

[quick birch]

Since hoyo has a thing with dependency chains I doubt 8.4 won't be useful for 8.5 though in the end that's just a speculation

[lyric anvil]

Yeah

[shell basin]

Well I mean valk + weapon is good but if I could guarentee Wepless vita in 1 pull with no transferable pity I would still pull that one for her, right, it’s just she’s not worth 90 pulls anymore

[lyric anvil]

I know we'll see another two GoI Valks in the future
Been a pattern with WS, WoD, and LoA

[spiral badge]

the problem with that idea is that valk banner pity generally carries over so that 1 remaining pity could be used on a different new release instead

[fallen shale]

Is FWS' signature skippable yet?

[quick birch]

You shouldn't view that pull as " how much am I spending on vita " but rather as " how much pity will I loose for another valks' weapon" that pity could be used for a newer better valk

[spiral badge]

the actual examples would be free carnival pulls or raffle or something

or starter banner rerolling

(this was what happened with JDS who became a notable LoA support even without her weapon)

[spiral badge]

for what purposes?

[shell basin]

Yeah that’s a less confusing example, if Vita was on starter banner and pity was low enough I’d pull her there, which isn’t really any different then spending 5 rolls on her banner if your at 90 pity idt

It’s when you’re below 90 that the logic stops working

[spiral badge]

starter banner isn't going to be that low unless you're already sinking into it, which isn't too uncommon of a story for fresh people who play first then ask later here. Although in such cases we would prompt to restart

but some may not be willling and at that point then sure perhaps

[fallen shale]

I mean with FWS' age does her signature still matter?

would I be reasonably using her as DPS still?

[lyric anvil]

I'm one of those who did pull on Starter

[spiral badge]

for any dps purposes, the weapon is almost always non negotiable

have you read the weapon effect yet? one big thing is that it gives kiana 1.5s of timestop after her super qte (stellar shift) iirc

[lyric anvil]

Though her weather's will start being less common

[spiral badge]

well anyway you may want to check @dry python guides (should be in his discord profile)

hm nevermind i guess he removed it from there. You can prob still dig up a hoyolab page from him via the valk and event guide link in the pins

otherwise maybe wyverein has a video

I believe DoG (original HoFi sig) was like 80% effectiveness? but 20% is quite alot still

[fallen shale]

is that obtainable?

oh cool it's in the foundry

[spiral badge]

no not really. the PRI version is in the foundry but all pri versions needs you to own the original base first before they become accessible

[fallen shale]

I'm not saying I'm definitely going to pull her and skip her weapon btw I just want to know my options

[spiral badge]

yeah i understand

doesn't seem like wyv made a video

[quick birch]

this is cay's comparsion

[fallen shale]

that looks like a lot

[spiral badge]

ofc if your meta goals are lower (agony3 or something) then you can prob get away without the weapon

[fallen shale]

I am generally fine with A2/A3 for now

[spiral badge]

i did recently help someone who was in A2 with PS without her weapon

and the damage was kinda matching with RL with actual signature weapons to give an idea

[fallen shale]

although that's currently with my PS PAWS, VBM and no one else

so a lot of weathers just totally screw me

[spiral badge]

that's normal. Brute through it with what you have the best you can for now.

as you pick up more new releases your coverage will expand while much older scenarios will disappear

[quick birch]

also do note that dmg doesnt equal to abyss score since abyss scores are based on time and weapons sometimes offer things like time-frozen-domain or the dmg diff will make you loose out on a specific moment in a boss fight where you'd want them to be dead alr etc. it depends a lot on the boss how bad it is beside from the already existing dmg loss

[spiral badge]

this is why maintaining the game can be so important

[fallen shale]

basically what I'm wondering is would it be okay to fish for a badum early using the leftovers from FDD

even if I couldn't guarantee the weapon

[spiral badge]

and i already told you to see what your situation is like at that point

[fallen shale]

ok

mb

[spiral badge]

we might get future info too by that point that can change decisions even more

i think half year anni might be coming soon so we might see another carnival

[quick birch]

in fws' case you'd loos out on the already mentioned 1,5 tfd which would roughly equal to ~7-8 points this may not sound like a lot but this is just on top of the dmg diff and those points could make the difference between promo/retain/demot in certain cases

[spiral badge]

in which case you may not want to risk your leftover funds and instead save to stack it all on carnival which has a separate pity that doesn't carry over

[fallen shale]

what's carnival?

[shell basin]

Banner where you get free pulls

[spiral badge]

in some fights some of that time stop can be useless too (e.g. finishing the fight or phase with the shift animation)

[shell basin]

For old valks. I thought FWS was a bit new for that

But I haven’t been around for a carnival before

[spiral badge]

yeah fws might be too new but who knows

so carnival is a banner type that cycles across numerous reruns. for most intents and purposes they should be ignored

the main thing to not ignore about carnival is that they give you 20 free pulls and you can choose which rerun to drop it on

but nothing carries over so you don't really expect anything from this

[fallen shale]

is that basically the better value version of backpulling?

[shell basin]

Yes because it’s free

[spiral badge]

i believe the carnival pulls do count towards spending event though if the two events overlap

[spiral badge]

you're going to need to elaborate

[fallen shale]

as in it's literally just cheaper than backpulling normally

[spiral badge]

if you can fully afford to reach pity then sure

but if you cannot and can risk not completing the pity then no

because that pity won't carry over

but anyway i can't guarantee any of this is happening soon

i'm just trying to show you how it's too early to make any decision in numerous ways

[fallen shale]

well one decision I need to make soon is how quickly to go for FDD

[spiral badge]

and it's best to rethink when you arrive at that situation. It's good of you to ask and become of aware of things early now though. That part is fine.

[shell basin]

Yeah don’t lock in to what you’re doing on a FWS banner until one actually exists, it’s still hypothetical at this point

[fallen shale]

which I am leaning towards asap considering I did already waste 2 PAWS weeks over fws and she ended up not rerunning lol

[spiral badge]

but i cannot give you a plan with some imaginary crystal count that you can't even expect reliably

[shell basin]

Like it would be silly to save for end of patch Badum and then she doesn’t run until 8.7

Which is a bit unlikely but who knows with Hoyo, I was expecting her this patch and she didn’t show

[fallen shale]

ok I get that, I just wanted to understand my options

thanks for your advice

I've never really played a gacha game like this before so I don't have much frame of reference for this kind of thing

[woeful cosmos]

rerolling worth it?

[lone kindle]

!faq context

[small willow]

Providing Account Information/Context

We need more information to answer that, Captain!

Please show (screenshot where needed):

• Your Battlesuits (Valkyrie > Grid Layout) and Equipment (Equip > Weapon/Stigmata).
• Crystal count, supply tickets, current pity, and expected income.
• To what extent do you care about [meta](#👶beginner-help message)? (Consider that your competitive Abyss performance affects your Crystal income. [More info here!](#👶beginner-help message))

If you are struggling on specific content:

• Show us your team, equipment and gameplay.
• Screenshot the exact problem if you think something is going wrong.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[shell basin]

Rerolling is extremely crystal efficient and can save you a bunch but it’s also a lot of work, whether you want to do it or not depends on your patience (and also this isn’t the ideal time for it because Vita is only an okay reroll target)

[lone kindle]

You have to take into account that to be worth, your og account must be in a bad health

[shell basin]

I thought rerolling was usually understood to mean making new accounts until you got the S rank in the first 10 pulls?

[lone kindle]

No good valks, no starter event, no possibility of getting lots of xtals...

[shell basin]

Not restarting the game if you’re already playing

[quick birch]

afaik they just joined the game yesterday so it's prob in regards if they should reroll when getting into the game

[lone kindle]

Yes, bit first you must """discard your true account ""

[shell basin]

Yeah

[lone kindle]

Because you're not going to have time for your real account snd the rerroling

[shell basin]

They don’t have a real account yet

[spiral badge]

perhaps in the future depending on how you want to prioritize, you can try to make a decision at the middle-end of the first shilled abyss cycle based on what is known so far in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins.

Ofc if you value the backpull more than the new release then maybe stick with what you're already doing. While we emphasize capitalizing use value of a valk as much as possible, you can also say two shilled cycles isn't that big of a deal either in the grand scheme of things.

[lone kindle]

Then you may want to consider it when 8.4 comes

[fallen shale]

My concern atp is just that the more time passes the less use I'd end up having for her

[lone kindle]

Fws is probably going to decay for s0 in paws fdd teams

[spiral badge]

naturally yeah. yeah it really depends on how you want to look at it

i did early on tried to assure you that as a veteran player i do expect FWS to retain some kind of long term use in arena at worst (ofc i cannot fully guarantee this)

[lone kindle]

Ps is better than her in according of what @upbeat egret and i have tested

[fallen shale]

I would be happy with MA use

[spiral badge]

as far as maximal scores and best use cases go, that is pretty notably concerning

[fallen shale]

like even if she didn't end up seeing use in abyss

[lone kindle]

Go?

[spiral badge]

but also keep in mind p2 supports can be pretty close to each other. If you still want to use lesser options you can probably still retain in RL with them

[lone kindle]

Its a 10m dmg difference just for s 3s longer run

[fallen shale]

well I guess for now I'll just focus on getting FDD and go from there

I don't think I'm gonna do the PAWS thing and wait for anything this time

[spiral badge]

edited. does the the comma help?

Another way you can read it is "as far as [subject] is concerned... etc etc etc

[upbeat egret]

PS is slightly better than fws overall...but if you are overkilling a boss fws can be faster ...

@lone kindle

I did some deeps test

[fallen shale]

at the very least the sooner I get a full team of current units the better right?

once I get FDD I won't need VBM anymore

[lone kindle]

That's what i said to you, since its faster in overkill cases shes the go to option

[spiral badge]

you would still use vbm to support FDD as a dps

but yeah

[fallen shale]

FDD dps wouldn't do FDD > PS > PAWS?

[shell basin]

PS can't support FDD

[upbeat egret]

But s0 can barely overkill

[fallen shale]

oh

but FDD can support PS and PAWS right?

[lone kindle]

Yes because RoO

[shell basin]

FDD support
Paws>Vita>Hofi>Blastmetal, but hofi and blastmetal aren't that far if hofi doesn't have ranks synergy

[lone kindle]

!faq RoO

[small willow]

Astral Ring Specialization - Rite of Oblivion

Allow me to explain, Captain!

The "Rite of Oblivion" Astral Ring Specialization is simply a wildcard specialization that can synergise with other types, including activating their leader skills!

Rite of Oblivion does not have any unusual playstyle mechanics in Stellar Outburst. This specialization is very generic overall!

Examples:

• Coralie
• Vita
• HoFi (with Divine Key equipped)

[fallen shale]

I thought I'd be free from VBM damn

[spiral badge]

so FDD is RoO ring type. You need omniscient star tag to support that or basically other RoO valks. PAWS is exceptional because of her locked skill that makes her compatible for FDD dps

[lone kindle]

Vita teams for example requiere 3 RoO valks

[quick birch]

i dont think any RoO valk actually want OS but rather RoO though OS is currently exclusive to RoO

[spiral badge]

oh idk then lol

[shell basin]

you could be free if you got hofi dkey this is not pulling advice

[spiral badge]

i guess OS is just for the generic leader skill fulfillment only then?

[quick birch]

yeah prob

[fallen shale]

what's this, a reason to pull HoFi? (pls don't correct me I know this is a joke)

[lone kindle]

The thing is every valk gets the native attribute of the ar type and then something else added

[spiral badge]

try to ease on the sarcasm here since lurkers unfamliar with the game may pick up on them wrongly