👶beginner-help

[peak crow]

Is everything after chapter 7 just forces you to use Trial characters?

[haughty elbow]

yes

[stark geyser]

Just got PE is she of any use? I have MPE SS, TA S both 0/4 and no physical DPS. Also if she is useful do I stop pulling for PS sushang as Im 70 away and f2p?

[sweet flax]

Advise for the future, if its in dorm it's most likely not useful at all

Also are you pulling ps with no crystals available?

[stark geyser]

yeah I have no physical dps so my plan is to go till 50 pity and see if she is early, if she isnt skip to get next p2 valk + their weapon

[stark geyser]

yeah but is she worse than SS MPE? they both are at no investment and I kinda desperately need a physical team for MA

[sweet flax]

They both are as bad as each other, assuming that mpe has at least her weapon shell do fine

[ancient needle]

Should be about the same level, and gearless valks won't do shit
And you don't need a Phys team

[sweet flax]

Generally speaking unless you can garuntee weapon and valk at the same time, just skip

Also ps is a bleed dps not physical

[abstract sequoia]

not entirely everything, later you get a choice again starting around CH 22/23

[stark geyser]

well no not like that I know a non phys p2 team would outdamage a p1 team, I just literally have no characters left for the bosses, I simply dont have enough p2 dps

[ancient needle]

(she is still Phys, asumara means that she likely won't be as good on Phys stuff as an actual crit Phys DPS)

[stark geyser]

oh right but doesnt she benefit from phys damage increase?

[ancient needle]

She does, refer to my msg

Anyway, how many P2 S-ranks do you have rn?

[stark geyser]

coralie 4/4 FWS 4/4 Sparkle 3/4 Helia 0/4

no other

[sweet flax]

So only fws and tfm

And even then tfm has no weapon

How new is this account? Or is it relatively old

[ancient needle]

Well, MA takes a very long time to get proper coverage for, but that's expected
Just use FWS on one team and TFM on another, the third boss doesn't matter much

[stark geyser]

yeah so I need a 3rd team to do something on MA at least

[lone crater]

ma mostly for fossils but reward wise its barely anything i wouldnt sweat it if u cant do it

[ancient needle]

You can refer to these teams to use for now: #👶beginner-help message

[stark geyser]

hmm well this weeks bosses both resist Fire kallen and lantern, i suppose I could break kallen shield but she doesnt have SSS diff so its still like no score if I lock either FWS or TFM into her

[ancient needle]

Yeah, as I said the third boss doesn't matter as much

[stark geyser]

hmm ok thanks

[lone crater]

so what p1 stuff u have

[stark geyser]

this looks like it was either made in 7.9 or assumes you have HoHe sadly i cant form half of those lol

[ancient needle]

HoHE is available in Level Rush (a paid bundle for beginners), hence the inclusion

[stark geyser]

I have MPE SS TA S PE S, I am also going to pick HoFL from box probably right now

[lone crater]

ok, do u have hos

[stark geyser]

also Ice Sushang and AE from book

[ancient needle]

(they aren't geared)

[stark geyser]

yeah oops forgot I should have probably mentioned all 0/4 my bad

[ancient needle]

Do you have Silverwing btw? You could consider picking her instead of HoFs

SW is not farmable after all

[stark geyser]

can pick her from mirage store or whatever the name

[ancient needle]

War Treasury

Mirage is for gear

[stark geyser]

yes but HoFL has stress test and guide said i should pick her instead I can ofc pick NEX

[ancient needle]

What guide said to pick HoFs

[stark geyser]

the one here said top prioritize valks with both ER and stress first,

[lone crater]

so what gear do u have, for physical anything like elysia set, dirac set , dante set, newt b, mei m, the dps you pick just depends on whether they have weapon or not,

[stark geyser]

havent used box yet though

[ancient needle]

Ah
I mean, it doesn't matter much ig, SW should become farmable soon-ish anyway

[stark geyser]

then I can my TA would work the best none of them have weapons but TA at least has AE BiS weapon and I can SS her now if needed

[lone crater]

so hwat gear do you have? if no weapon , you can cook with ta, si, sns together and see what you get

[stark geyser]

classic beginner stuff sadly stuff from like 2021 gluttony T fuhua MB on supports, marco polo TM atilla B on phys etc

the book stuff

[lone crater]

so no gears,

old beginner i suppose

[stark geyser]

yeah stuff that was considered decent back when i played on my old acc on 2021

[lone crater]

not rly even in 2021

decent stuff is like plank dirac kafka

[stark geyser]

they need so much EF and all my EF goes to making my p2 be at least 3/4 sadly

[lone crater]

well anyways you can still try give the boss a go with ta si sns all together, and then just do one run and accept it ig

[stark geyser]

wait whos Sns again

[lone crater]

carole

[stark geyser]

it cant be snows sniper right lmao

wait huh how is that shortened to sns ok whatever still learning the glossary

[lone crater]

nah not her, she wont work unfortunately

Sweet n Spicy

[stark geyser]

oh makes so much sense

[lone crater]

but yea, if u have no gears to begin with, no point chasing them now, save all your resources w/e, for p2 stuff

[dapper dock]

where is that stage? cant find it lol

[frozen crypt]

Go back its in the same chapter

normal ex should be world 2, I think each of them has 5 stages

something like that

[frozen crypt]

[dapper dock]

found

nvm

[frozen crypt]

all good then?

[thorn ember]

Where's that one gaphic with time needed for completing p2 chapters?

[ancient needle]

#📚honkai-lore should have it

No spoilers there rn

[thorn ember]

thank u

[wild trail]

sena weap, ely ranks (i have dkey), or dkeys from bp shop?

[ancient needle]

Sena is almost dead atp
HoHE DPS's coverage is very small, and we don't know how she'll perform as a support in the new AR type yet (I don't think her ranks will matter much there anyway)
Dkeys are permanent acc value

[wild trail]

do i just hold until we know what hohe does for new ar

[ancient needle]

Yeah, dkeys aren't urgent to get

HoHE ranks can be nice if you're in Nirv cuz we'll have Hellmaru later

But it's still an unwise investment imo

[dry python]

She might be dead but she's still my pookie 💔

[slim blaze]

oh shit abyss

[modern flower]

heya all, im thinking of trying out the game
is it still popular and is it recommended ?

[deft orbit]

anyone know if i have the ingredients for this?

[deft orbit]

no

game is nice and all but if ur gonna sweat on it dont bother

if u come in just to enjoy story its good

[storm lantern]

less popular than it used to be based on how abyss ranks have changed but idk what your standards are, if you want to play for story ofc start playing but if you want to play for abyss keep in mind teambuilding requires multiple s-ranks so it's a slow process to get something highly competitive

[dry python]

Just because you're a casual doesn't mean people looking to compete in exalted should be invalidated

[spiral badge]

It's not as popular as other hoyoverse games but it's still generally well received. The game is flexible enough to suit various types of preferences.

• if you're casual you don't need to get anything from the gacha to enjoy the stories and events.
• if you're competitive but f2p you can still succeed far into the game (and even reach the final tier of abyss where the whales are). More if you're willing to spend of course.
  it's not black and white either. You can achieve an intermediate balance that suits your personal preferences but you'll have to discover that for yourself.

The main cons I would warn you about this game are that

• it's very old. So it can often be very overwhelming learning everything at the start. Some things may not be intuitive either. Be sure to check out the pins in this channel for all sorts of commonly asked information, but even then this is too much to take in at once.
• if you're coming in from other hoyoverse games, the logic of those games don't translate well to this one. I recommend avoiding trying to understand this game with analogies to those other games. They'll more likely confuse you further than to help.

And overall everyone's opinions are subjective. So all I can really further say is to give it a try.

[spiral badge]

please try to be as objective as possible in the help channel. This is very clearly an opinion that many other players can disagree with and not something you should decide for other people.

[abstract sequoia]

i personally enjoy the sweating

many games have it worse

[spiral badge]

you generally should. Maybe it wants the green rarity chicken at the top of the list?
As you make more mistakes the hints become more and more direct.

[quick birch]

Pretty sure it wants both kinds of chicken + garlic

[dapper dock]

How farm coins? Need urgent and dont know the best way to do it😭

[unborn sand]

Buy them

[haughty elbow]

sell some weapons

[dapper dock]

Weapons? Hmm

[dapper dock]

Low on asterite

[unborn sand]

Spend real money

[lyric anvil]

[haughty elbow]

can we get an faq ches in here

[dapper dock]

@haughty elbow didint find. Only forge or craft weps

[haughty elbow]

where are u even looking

[burnt river]

Hello

[thick bolt]

[burnt river]

I just downloaded t he game and would like some help/advice on what to do

[thick bolt]

Starting out, just keep doing story while following the missions in the starter manual that unlock as you level up (small green book at the bottom middle of the bridge)

The goal is to accumulate crystals (the gacha currency) to ideally pull the recommended character for this patch and go on from there.

!faq lost

[small willow]

Feeling Lost?

I got this, Captain!

The following guides are a good starting point to help you feel like you know what you're supposed to be doing as Captain of the Hyperion!

See the channel pins of #👶beginner-help for more:

• Account Progression Pointers: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• What to pull right now: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Valkyries you should buy for Asterite: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Clearing up misconceptions about the meta: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[burnt river]

Who whould I pull/reroll for?

[thick bolt]

a list of resources to help, the most relevant for you now would be to look at account progression pointers

[dapper dock]

@haughty elbow here

[haughty elbow]

press salvage

[thick bolt]

Peregrine Sword (Sushang), The valkyrie debuted this patch along with her signature weapon

rerolling is a tedious process so only do it if you want to, it's not mandatory at all.
Rerolling info if you are rerolling #👶beginner-help message

[burnt river]

I don't plan to, just wanted to make sure who the pull target was, thanks

[thick bolt]

I suggest just doing story and getting your grips on stuff in the meantime to unlock stuff, the early learning curve is a bit steep so you're welcome to keep asking any questions you have.
Enjoy

[dapper dock]

@haughty elbow bingo tks❤️

[burnt river]

I'll ask something that the guide won't have for now

[shadow gyro]

can some pick one for new sushang for now?
(i want a good temporary affix(es) for now) im low on ncc and wafers and my atk on sushang is low since im barely doing her affixes

istg these affixes are a troll

[thick bolt]

1st one, more cummulative

[shadow gyro]

fair enough

[thick bolt]

Usually prefer to have a 21+ (ideally 22+) line before considering locking
Before that you can run with anything that gives more total.

If you're fine with a bit of loss and have the extra mats the 15-20 double atk line affix mat from the UM shop is a consideration.

[shadow gyro]

ty ill think about it
for the one on the mirage shop ill need to farm for the g3s since im currently just farming ether fuel for future use

[tall flax]

can sushang work as a support without her weapon?

[burnt river]

How much should I invest on the beginner units I have?

[frozen crypt]

generally it's really cheap to level them until about level 50 then only level the ones you actually use

its very easy to interpret 'invest' differently though, you shouldn't be trying to craft expensive gear for any beginner valks unless said gear is explicitly recommended in one of the investment pins

[burnt river]

Yeah, I meant invest as in progressing early on

[frozen crypt]

that doesn't really clarify it... you won't need anything crazy for earlygame, especially once you get the new sushang and her weapon she will feel 'op' (any new 4/4 valk would for earlygame) and carry you for a long while

[tall flax]

dismissing the missing stigs that i will get later, is this solid?

[haughty elbow]

functional

[low kestrel]

guys... this is the end 😭

[lyric anvil]

[quick birch]

You have fws/songque/HoHe+Dkey no? Should do fine, if there is something you don't understand maybe we can explain

[low kestrel]

no, i'm just noob

😔

[quick birch]

Well everyone has to start somewhere and learn if there is something we can help you with let us know, otherwise you can always send a video of your rot if you want to

[arctic glade]

Hi guys, I'm a gi player and find today Honkai impact is more older than gi

[low kestrel]

i just understand nothing about this game, when u look someone playing u maybe think "hmmm very complex but look simple, just click some buttons" and when u try to do the same think u think "ok how i do this and why i need to do this? my objetictive is not just give dmg?" AND U LEARN THAT IS NOT ABOUT JUST DEAL DMG 😭

[arctic glade]

How is Honkai now? What's going after the chapter 1?

Gi is coming to end chap1, I want to know what hoyo do after

Honkai recieved new maps and regions after chapter one? Has how many years?

The chars premieres will be the same on Honkai after chap1?

[frozen crypt]

This game is nothing like genshin, I highly doubt anything they did with part 2 of Hi3 will reflect on genshin

[arctic glade]

Oh rlly? Omg

So Honkai didn't has all countries on end chap1?

[frozen crypt]

This isn't even an open world game

We don't get open world exploration zones to unlock each patch

[arctic glade]

Ah

[frozen crypt]

In hi3 we basically got a new combat system and story

For part 2

Our story is often open world now, but that is isolated from the main game

[quick birch]

This game can be very complex and confusing yes but even the fact that you understood that not everything is there to deal more dmg but sometimes things provide utility or are faster etc. already shows that you have a better understanding of the game then before, we can always try to explain certain scenarios or why a character is used in a certain team thats what this channel is for in the end

[arctic glade]

I see now, tysm

I'm afraid with the future of gi

[frozen crypt]

Genshin makes them way too much money for them to abandon it anytime soon don't worry

Anyway genshin is not relevant to this channel or this server at all so I'll leave it there, I quit genshin a while back and didn't play for very long so I can't really help

[arctic glade]

Yeah true, I'm thinking about new continents, events and chars

[frozen crypt]

[arctic glade]

Lol yes, tysmm

[low kestrel]

how can the new charaters of part 2 be used to support and dps at the same time??

[quick birch]

Thats related to their kit they have lines such as " if the character is the leader" or " if this character is not the leader". Those effects then either give them supportive abilities or give them some kind of DPS buff

[outer spruce]

the leader is the dps, if you're not the leader, you're a support

[low kestrel]

but why this feature don't work in part 1 valks?

[outer spruce]

because they changed it in part 2

[quick birch]

because p1 valks do not have the Astral ring system

except they got a dkey ofc

[lyric anvil]

Would mention a certain Valk though she's niche-

[quick birch]

some p1 valks can be both yes but that functions a bit differently then just leader = dps and the rest are supports

so best if we keep it simple and stick to p2

[lyric anvil]

Yeah

[nimble nova]

do I just have to wait until I can do more tasks in apho to level up and continue the story? and I'm kinda confused on what's more important to do, part 1 story or part 2 story

[chrome star]

Will 8.3 have changes to the bp like adding anew character to be purchaseable other than sena etc

[magic tiger]

Is there any reason not to breakthrough to lvl 80?

[tall flax]

Got a score of 882 in sinful 2, 7 points away from first

Kinda tempted to make Sushang, HoRb, TA. Maybe it’s better than HoS dps

Except I have no weapon so I can’t yet

[naive pivot]

sinful 💀

[tall flax]

:OOOO

[ancient needle]

Only if you dislike the changes that come with that

This mentions the changes: #👶beginner-help message

[tall flax]

okay... i officially dislike MA

[ancient needle]

LoA is Cutscene Impact, it took over MA for a reason

[lyric anvil]

Cutscene impact

[tall flax]

Somehow I feel like Luna probably does better in this boss than whatever this is

[ancient needle]

That's just crazy cap

You just haven't played LoA yet

Literally sus ani spam

[lyric anvil]

Loved that in ER

[alpine rain]

Hello. I really need help with my account and the game.. i dont understand alot of things in the game, im level 75 and im really confused about too much things. I dont understand about comps, how support works, who is good who is bad, dont know how to build and neither how to get the materials to build (advanced ones). My favorite until now is herscher of origin, i got her S2 from the event alot of time ago, her weapon and stigmas and so far she is the only who deals more damage, but yet i cant complete alot of things because i dont do enough damage. So.. If there is someone more experienced who can answer many of my questions, I would love it.
Also, What should i buy with 23k os asterite, 971 anciente willpower and 81 power legacy? i see alot of cool items but i dont know what should be a smart decision. Thank you for your time!

[ancient needle]

Are you a returnee by any chance? How many crystals do you have rn?

And do you have any other properly geared valks

[alpine rain]

yep! not much, but im going for the new valkyrie on suply, 20 more to get a S

[alpine rain]

wouldnt say properly, but i have sirin, herscher os reason and idk thats the ones i think its dps and S

[ancient needle]

Okay, I would very strongly suggest you make a new acc then

1. Starter Manual has a lot of stuff to allow beginners to catch up a bit (and it helps you understand the game a bit more)
2. You'll refresh your one-time crystal sources (you'll easliy be able to afford multiple patches in a row compared to your current acc)
3. Stuff you currently have isn't feasible to properly use at all, especially without gear
4. You'll get back to lvl 75 in like 3-4 weeks

Keep in mind that weaps are mandatory here, you'll have to dig up up to 60 pulls after you get Sushang

It'll be more straightforward to understand what to do with the currencies as well cuz the guides here are tailored towards new accs for the most part

Part 2 also dramatically changed teambuilding rules, Part 1 valks aren't compatible with Part 2 ones for the most part

[ancient needle]

Being an S-rank doesn't mean anything by itself, if you want a rough estimate of performance you should look at the valk's release date (a valk usually stays in the meta for 1.5-2 years)

You asked about teambuilding, here's a guide on Part 2 teambuilding: #💁gameplay-help message

In Part 1 teams it's mostly about matching the element of the DPS to what element(s) the supports can give buffs for

(a team consists of 1 DPS and 2 supports in most cases)

[sweet flax]

we're so back (omw back to rl right after abyss opens)

[ancient needle]

Come on lah, Nirv isn't that hard

Or did ya skip PS

[sweet flax]

I have ps but uhh

[ancient needle]

8.3 is cooked huh

[sweet flax]

I mean I could always swipe

but I kinda wanna chill out for a while

surely it wont be that bad

either way if a boss has a hitcount shield I can just use ps as a support instead since I have her stigmata set

[ancient needle]

You'll probs be cooked in Nirv if you try that

Your only option is Dudu DPS (cuz Fire res), and that's not great

[sweet flax]

oh-

ye im fucked then

unless by some miracle I get a slacker lobby

[ancient needle]

Even the slackest lobbies aren't slack enough for that from my experience

Though it does look like a lot of peeps skipped PS, maybe there is hope

[sweet flax]

[nimble nova]

do I focus on part 2 story or finishing all of part 1?

[sweet flax]

up to you really, but if you care about story then probs finish with p1 (p1 also has more rewards available than p2 if you care about crystal income)

either way you arent missing anything by not being caught up with the story (unless there are event rewards locked behind story progression, which is not the case right now)

[nimble nova]

ah alright then, thanks

[slim blaze]

Do u also set up the restaurant like this lol

[sweet flax]

ye lmao

[spiral badge]

yes

[sweet flax]

most comfort possible with enough space for your workers to move around

[left vale]

can anyone tell me if dudu or elysia's buffs are stronger in an elemental team?

*RS and HHE

[haughty elbow]

delulu if u think hohe buffs are good

[left vale]

okay so that actually wasnt the question!

[haughty elbow]

answer is obvious

[sweet flax]

I mean he did answer you with future proof advice (in loa at least)

[left vale]

im not asking abt loa specifically

im just wondering generally in an elemental team which has stronger buffs

[cinder peak]

does lantern abyss and lantern ma have same mech?

[left vale]

no

[cinder peak]

what's the major difference?

[left vale]

i think theyre totally different like completely

transition is the biggest diff tho ig

[cinder peak]

do you have a video showcase for that?

[left vale]

no

[haughty elbow]

if its not loa then its wod
the answer doesnt change
if its not wod wtf u doing

[sweet flax]

@left vale idk if this is what you are asking about specifically, but maybe

otherwise in loa, you'd never use hohe because her buffs compared to everyone else is terrible

[left vale]

no in no ring specifically

no ring specific buffs included

[haughty elbow]

am i seeing some luna dps dudu support cooking

[cinder peak]

does lantern needs dedicate fast atk? can one bruteforce with Dudu, Songque, Sparkle; or LV, HoTr, Eden would be better?

[left vale]

u need a lot of hitcount for both lanterns its kinda just bricked without ps

[sweet flax]

so in terms of p1? hohe cant support p1 her buffs are locked behind having a ring similar to hofi

[left vale]

no not p1

buffs that are not specific to LoA or WoD

the buff lines dont say "When LoA/WoD is active:"

[sweet flax]

ill check then

[left vale]

tyvm i cant check for myself rn or else i would

[sweet flax]

so just to be sure, "in stellar outburst" buffs are fine to be included as well

since its not ring specific

[cinder peak]

can LV works as hit count bruteforcer?

[left vale]

i mean maybe but its most likely significantly worse esp with gd

[left vale]

yes and ar charging buffs

[cinder peak]

gd?

[left vale]

sorry, with GD

(eden)

[cinder peak]

how about with griseo?

[left vale]

CE would help tremendously with hitcount but im guessing you dont have her 4/4

[cinder peak]

my friend got 2/4 (TM) + Cez B + LV Cross

[sweet flax]

@left vale

hohe (189.7% damage increase unconditional, 218.2% damage increase on ranged dmg, 261.8% damage increase on melee ice teammte, 301.1% damage increasse if ranged ice teammate)

53% elemental damage bonus
15% ranged elemental damage bonus
24% total dmg bonus
38% ice dmg vulnerability

rs (218.7% damage increase unconditional)

36% elemental damage bonus
20% elemental damage vulnerability
34% total dmg bonus

so this is weapon + stigmatas when ring is active (so not p1) and not limited to a specific ring

[naive pivot]

[haughty elbow]

bricked

[sweet flax]

so unless your teammate is the one other p2 ice dps, hohe's buffs are worse than dudu

which is kind of the only team you run her in

[haughty elbow]

the one other p2 ice dps
but shes wod

[sweet flax]

these buffs are non-specific, with rings included hohe's buffs are even more limited to ice

dudu just gets more vulnerability buffs

[left vale]

hmmm wonder if ||helia|| is ranged

this is me tryna see who'll be better for ||helia|| btw

idk of their ||heavenly grail|| specific buffs so one could easily skyrocket in value compared to the other with said buffs

[sweet flax]

then wait until their stigmatas get the When "insert new ring name" is activated

[haughty elbow]

then why look at their current buffs

[left vale]

just wait for the LoA/||HG|| ice dps hohe will be so good

[haughty elbow]

for all u know the new buffs could be 800% tdt for one char while none for the other

[left vale]

to get an idea

[sweet flax]

well in terms of raw buffs, rs is still better than hohe even when its for a ranged unit (I put the numbers there for better clarification)

but that is always succeptible to change

[left vale]

does this include the astral ring branch of skills buffs

[haughty elbow]

hofi had 0 support in her kit before and now shes a very good general support with her dkey

there is no idea to get

[left vale]

completely diff scenarios i fear 😭

[sweet flax]

werent those ring specific? I can double check and edit the message if I find anything non-specific though

[left vale]

i dunno thats why i was asking 😭

[haughty elbow]

whats the difference

[sweet flax]

yes they are ring specific

[left vale]

ok

[left vale]

hofi had no support previously

[vivid ermine]

/link

[left vale]

hohe and rs already have support so i was just getting an idea of the diff of their respective base buffs
was just curious

[sweet flax]

hofi dkey was made with the idea she'd be a trio dlc and vita support, so they clearly thought of her having supportive utility, they just improved it because it was lackluster

[left vale]

i think they made her to be a WS powerhouse on purpose as well tbh

because she has really good WS specific buffs and no way her fast detonations are an accident

[sweet flax]

either way this is all speculation if it's regarding 8.3 unit, in which case im not gonna bother because its gonna change

[left vale]

ye this was just to get a general idea of their buffs pre-8.3 to see how big the gap was

[sweet flax]

in conclusion: hohe sucks unless thelema is in the team (or unitl a future ice unit releases that she can support)

or if it's that one mecha boss with a weak spot

[left vale]

RGBenares as well

or anything symphony that uses LoA really

so probably symphony sd mobs however many of those exist

[fallen shale]

Does this game have any kind of monthly resources?

[left vale]

wdym?

[sweet flax]

you mean like the shops that give 10 pulls (5 limited, 5 standard) in the other hoyo games?

then no

[slim blaze]

Monthly dorm rolls

[fallen shale]

Yeah that

[left vale]

no we dont have that 😭

[sweet flax]

ye that doesnt exist, you want resources there's the coin shop and asterite shop though

[left vale]

so unfortunate, but its not like itd be beneficial anyway ig

[fallen shale]

Ok worth a check lol

[sweet flax]

1400 crystals a month would be crazy

[haughty elbow]

their current support is so insignificant u could say it doesnt matter at all

[shadow tendon]

technically theres the 2 dorm cards

[left vale]

[left vale]

well its not like we could utilize it properly bc youd have to actually pull to get it which is insanely dangerous

[outer spruce]

big 2 pulls for the valk retirement home

[shadow tendon]

i actually didnt notice the first couple of months i started so

[left vale]

hey HoS and IO are still technically relevant!

[sweet flax]

here 5 character supply cards a month

[left vale]

i wish

man i wish they gave out more free pulls, it feels so much less generous than other hyv examples

[naive pivot]

why would she not be 💀

[left vale]

because hoyoverse is weird and SA tornado is melee damage

[naive pivot]

[dry python]

definitely one of the takes of all time

[left vale]

PS SO hit can crit

[slim blaze]

Hey. Ignoring p2, p1 has asterite

[left vale]

on the bleed character that isnt supposed to crit

[naive pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[left vale]

badum uses pistols instead of a trick staff and theres not a gun in sight in her gameplay but shes beating the shit out of the enemies with a staff

[dry python]

they only specify certain attacks that are considered bleed dmg

[left vale]

so nothing with hyv makes sense and i wouldnt be surprised if 8.3 valk is like freeze DoT unit or some shit

[slim blaze]

Sheesh..ive been waiting 5 years for freezer burn surely

[outer spruce]

para DoT. Gimme 9 stacks of Zap Tap

[dry python]

just play hades 2

[slim blaze]

It aint free.

[sweet flax]

for legal puproses this is a joke

pirate it

[dry python]

ew

pirate aaa games not indie

[sweet flax]

😭 im not being serious dw

would never pirate indie games

[storm lantern]

if you do buy it later at least

[slim blaze]

Achievement mindset

[cyan dune]

This may sound weird how I type it but for astral ops how does their ring matter? Like do they just add another count to the buff from balls of the same ring or is it to say the AO is specifically designed to buff balls of that ring. I'm asking because I just 4/4 peregrine sword and badum and should be able to grind the Teresa AO and I was wondering if Teresa would be worth it.

[sweet flax]

basically simplifying it
astral ops help charge their specific rings ari faster or provide unique mechanics to their ring (such as teri allowing the leader of loa to get 2 enhanced qtes)
generally speaking their value is more sought after in higher tiers of abyss (mainly nirv, and even then only if you are going for t100 which is doable with ss ds)
they are not necessary, and if you are going to go after one its better to go for one that you will benefit from more, not teri when ||new ring is already revealed||

[fallen shale]

Am I gonna start feeling the poverty once I finish all the one time sources

[storm lantern]

no, 9 week patch income is the average for a s0+1 valk

unless you're pulling for aops which you shouldnt or they do a double release it shouldnt be a problem

[gloomy acorn]

They answered our request to be able to get more valks

Patch extended so S0+1 is doable every patch

[storm lantern]

and im still gonna have to skip 8.3

[fallen shale]

I mean I suspect my immediate future will involve grabbing anyone that can work with Sushang

[calm turret]

After skipping ops, able to afford every valk release so far with average luck

[fallen shale]

Well not "immediate" but you know what I mean

Cause after this patch (assuming it goes as expected) my roster will be a pack of freebies and Sushang lol

[peak crow]

Who's the valk that gon be in the next phase/patch?

[storm lantern]

yeah if you pull 8.3 you'll have a functional team at least, unfortunately there arent really alternatives to s-ranks

[storm lantern]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

new kit/design info will be pinned

[fallen shale]

I'll be happy to grab any good teammate for her down the line I'm not super picky

As long as the team has Sushang in it I'll be happy to run it lol

[slim blaze]

Bad idea but
Old hohe JK Kira

But i get what you mean

[fallen shale]

I can't be deterred from a unit because they're male if there are no males

[sweet flax]

sushang enjoyer, based

[fallen shale]

I installed the game solely because @storm lantern over there told me I could play Sushang lol

[naive pivot]

you've been able to for like at least 2 years now

[fallen shale]

I knew that but he added the key adjective of "viable"

[sweet flax]

jk was viable

[naive pivot]

she was viable until like thelema came out

[sweet flax]

🧓

[naive pivot]

she literally the core of ice teams in fact

[sweet flax]

core of p1 ice teams

just because hotr couldnt apply ice breach

[fallen shale]

Well eitherway it appears that this was a great time to start lol

[sweet flax]

god playing other games makes me feel better knowing I dont have to mald crit substats in this game

[fallen shale]

You don't have to mald crit substats in this game???

[dim vale]

Do I need lantern's signature if Im using her as support?

[sweet flax]

no, only physical damage can crit and supports are the main source of crit rate

the only malding with crit in this game is rng crit that determines if you finish a boss phase in time or not

[sweet flax]

lantern even with signature needs therapy to support properly, as of right now her signature is unobtainable either way and she cannot support newer valks

there's better options

[dim vale]

For lantern boss fight? Should I just brute force it in hitcounts?

[fallen shale]

Wait so does this game even bully you during the build process? Is there any rng or farm sink I should be afraid of?

[sweet flax]

affixes, much later in the future

[sweet flax]

tbh I havent done this boss or looked at any refs for it yet so I cant answer that, check with #💁gameplay-help if they can offer better advice on teams

[gloomy acorn]

Most of the decision making comes from unit pulling and run optimizing

You don't spend 10 hours on the equipment screen you spend 10 hours in combat instead

[fallen shale]

That sounds pretty good

[sweet flax]

until you try to mald for 3 more atk

[fallen shale]

My favourite part of ZZZ is retrying the endgame a gazillion times until I nail it

[sweet flax]

oh then you'll love hi3

[fallen shale]

I feel like what I said sounds like sarcasm but I'm being fully serious lol

[sweet flax]

the beauty of hi3 is doing the same run over and over again until rng decides not to be a bitch or you learn new ways to do things

[fallen shale]

I'd ask what you mean by new ways but I get the impression I'm too early in to understand

[sweet flax]

not really

its always a good opportunity to learn specific valk kit interactions or way to shorten rots

you can use it to your advantage as early as q-manifold

being optimal early > relying on random bullshit go later on

[fallen shale]

I am looking forward to reaching a point of intentionality as soon as is reasonable

ATM I'm definitely still in the phase of "pressing buttons until something happens"

[sweet flax]

well the basics you can start with is understanding how team-building works

p2 simplifies this into a:
why is x character the leader, and why are y and z her supports

[fallen shale]

The thing that's confusing me most rn is what even is a support in this context

[sweet flax]

from there more basic interactions such as character builds come into play, why run this set, how is x set more beneficial than y set

[sweet flax]

the main idea are supports will be the main damage boost of the lead valk, this can come either in the form of team buffs, enemy debuffs, or special mechanics against specific enemies

[fallen shale]

I have been able to put together one of the recommended beginner teams but I have zero clue what anyone is supposed to be doing for each other

The one I'm running being Coralie > TA > RC (I think those are the right abbreviations...)

[sweet flax]

I want to avoid being off topic, but using zzz as an example, you usually have 1 agent as your main dps on the team, and 2 units to support her, or a dual dps comp (which kind of exists in hi3, just very limited)

[sweet flax]

so that's where reading their kits can be helpful, (its rc btw, not tc)
do you know what they offer each other?

[fallen shale]

Nope

[sweet flax]

let's start with rc then, she's at A rank yes?

[fallen shale]

Yeah everyone's just at their first freebie rank

[sweet flax]

are you ingame right now?

or should I provide images

[fallen shale]

I'm not home rn so no to me being ingame lol

[sweet flax]

k lemme open hi3 rq

are you familiar with rc's 2 bars?

the one above hp

[fallen shale]

Sorta, she's got the two modes you switch with the weapon skill button and they give her different attacks

That's as far as I know about it

[sweet flax]

before you switch with the weapon skill, you can hold attack to consume the "mood" (name of the bar) and depending which mood's bar you consume it has 2 different effects

[fallen shale]

Yeah I do that

[fallen shale]

So that's like a debuff she applies?

[sweet flax]

so, one of the benefits is consuming the well-behaved mood (iirc it was purple in color) provides a 30% vulnerability buff to enemies hit by it

[sweet flax]

yep

[storm lantern]

btw thats actual 30% damage taken not more total damage when attacking that enemy like some other hoyo kits

[fallen shale]

So I think I've been playing her wrong then

[sweet flax]

damage taken is referred to as vulnerability, which is why I called it that in the previous message, so better to know the difference in buffs

[fallen shale]

Cause I do those attacks but I keep her on field for quite a while

I assume the leader is better for capitalising on the debuff than she is herself?

[sweet flax]

generally speaking with pardo you could just go in, weapon skill to switch to well-behaved, hold atk, ult if available, and switch out

[fallen shale]

Which in this context is Coralie

[sweet flax]

most of the time yes, though if the enemy is an imaginary enemy, pardo can instantly kill it when its on it's last hp bar since she is an imagary support, all p1 img supports have this mechanic in their kit

[fallen shale]

Lol what

They just get to skip a hp bar?

[sweet flax]

only the last one, and its limited to p1 img supports like rc and hotr

on img enemies

[fallen shale]

Ok

But for most enemies I just wanna get her debuffs done and then swap back to Coralie?

[sweet flax]

yep

or no wait you said ta was in the team right?

[fallen shale]

Yes she's before RC

[sweet flax]

holding rc's atk triggers ta qte, you wanna do rc > ta > vbm

[fallen shale]

Oh

[sweet flax]

getting qte on ta can shorten her field time drastically

since all you need to do from there is weapon skill and ult, then switch back to vbm

[fallen shale]

Does the order matter

[sweet flax]

order of?

[fallen shale]

I tend to do ult then skill

Of TA's on field actions

[sweet flax]

I dont think it makes a difference

either way the main idea is one of those moves would consume the enthalpy (bar above her hp) which provides the team buffs

and refresh the shield duration

[fallen shale]

What does TA buff?

Besides shield

[sweet flax]

well as you know most of her buffs are focused towards physical,
however when your team is protected by the shield enemies are debuffed for all damage types

as well as shield break effeciency

[fallen shale]

So another layer of damage increase?

[sweet flax]

essentially yes

[fallen shale]

Does the HUD show me what buffs are in effect?

Like the timers and stuff

[sweet flax]

depends on the buff, some of them do, others dont

which makes sense because if you could see each individual buff at the same time your screen would be filled with circles of each buff

you also have to keep in mind some characters also have buffs locked behind their signature gear

[thick bolt]

Terminal Aide's passive is to give the on field character a shield.
As long as the shield is up you get this specific universal buff

[sweet flax]

^

[thick bolt]

In this way, for non physical teams you can just keep her off field as a passive buffer
It's only on physical that she swaps in for her other bufs

[sweet flax]

sushang's bleed damage is affected by physical dmg bonuses right?

[thick bolt]

iirc it is

[sweet flax]

which makes this a notable buff to keep in mind as well

[fallen shale]

Is the shield duration infinite? As in is it only until I get hit?

[thick bolt]

Infinite duration till it breaks

[sweet flax]

trust me when I say, it never breaks

and if it does, you are already back on ta to refresh uptimes

so essentially your rot simplifies to rc > ta
rc will use her well-behaved mood attack which we mentioned earlier to apply a vulnerability debuff, using this move will allow ta to qte in and get her full bar of enthalpy which can be consumed via weapon skill/ult to refresh the shield and refresh her buffs

after ta coralie will just do her usual dps shenanigans as her buffs will be applied passively while on-field

[wintry wharf]

how i manually purchase ingredients?

[fallen shale]

Do I ever use RC's other mood?

[sweet flax]

iirc your purchaser gets it automatically

[sweet flax]

if you wanna generate sp sure, otherwise its irrelevant at A rank

[wintry wharf]

and i can't choose what to buy ? is random ?

[sweet flax]

to be honest id have to see if the game mentions it anywhere I havent been paying much attention to it

[fallen shale]

How long generally does Coralie get to be on field doing damage before I need to run the rotation again?

[sweet flax]

rc buffs last 15 seconds

from when it is applied

[fallen shale]

TA will eat a bit of that time won't she?

[sweet flax]

yep

but seeing as you are going for sushang you'd replace rc with her and rely on coralie's timer of 25 seconds instead for sushang's on-field time

remember that you can ignore ta's rot if the shield is still up

there is a visible hp counter of her shield above your hp

[fallen shale]

Wait so Sushang's first job would be to be support?

[sweet flax]

no she'll be the dps

but coralie's buffs last 25 seconds, and ta's are as long as the shield is up so she will have a much larger field time

[fallen shale]

Oh so I'll kick Coralie off the leader role

[sweet flax]

yep

[fallen shale]

Gotcha

[sweet flax]

but anyways, first rot is rc > ta > vbm, from there on its just rc > vbm unless you need to refresh ta shield

to make the most out of rc's short debuff duration

[fallen shale]

Ok I think it's making a lot more sense

[fallen shale]

The concept of support in this game confused me because I'm used to the other hoyo games where the role is decided per unit

[sweet flax]

I think it depends as well on what dish you select when opening for business
you'll see the shopping cart icon on some ingredients hinting that your purchaser bought them

[fallen shale]

But it sounds like every character is granted supportive abilities to some extent when not in the leader position

[sweet flax]

its very similar to zzz, again not to be off topic but, lucy's buffs for example are on a very short rotation requiring you to switch into her constantly to re-apply it otherwise you spend a good 60%-70% of the fight on your main dps

[sweet flax]

this is only the case for p2, in p1, some valks are very limited to only 1 position

which nowadays, all banners will be p2 banners it seems so you dont need to worry about it

but there's a catch with p2 banners that specific valks cant support other valks due to ring and tag matching

that's why senadina, who was heavily praised on release, is now irrelevant, she cant support the newer rings

[fallen shale]

I see

Thanks for the crash course btw, it helps a lot to see what's happening in this specific team

[sweet flax]

[fallen shale]

Hopefully I'll move further and further away from mindless button mashing as I grasp more units

[sweet flax]

to be fair most newer units are pretty linear

so mindless button mashing could end up beign the proper way to play them

[fallen shale]

Well at the very least I mean doing things on purpose

If I'm button mashing it should be cause it's the right thing to do not cause it's all I know lmao

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clap-gif-25799578

a beginner like this comes along once a blue moon

taking the time to learn

[amber finch]

imagine taking the time to learn

[sweet flax]

!faq ches exists for a reason

[amber finch]

dont be a sheep just be like ches

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-rivals-cat-invisible-woman-gif-4282050163588879295

[amber finch]

oh also

follow a ma ref on 60 fps

is an experience

100% would recommend

you just randomly lose time for no reason at all

[sweet flax]

welp, back to cadet searching

[dapper dock]

APHO have adventure tasks?

[amber finch]

confidential smh

[dapper dock]

1 and 2?

[amber finch]

all open world maps have adventure tasks

[dapper dock]

oh okay tks ches

[sweet flax]

[fallen shale]

Do people not normally learn the game

[frozen crypt]

A few people refuse to actually

[fallen shale]

Lmao?

[frozen crypt]

There's been plenty of times where we'll link a faq because it answers someone's question and they'll ignore it

Rinse and repeat next week

We usually just don't see this much effort from people to learn

[amber finch]

and then they’ll complain that they got ignored

[frozen crypt]

[sweet flax]

next week is generous

within the next 8 hours

[frozen crypt]

Next day yeah

Also true

[amber finch]

my personal record is within 10 messages

[frozen crypt]

Are u fr

[autumn oxide]

the reason is shit frames

[frozen crypt]

[autumn oxide]

hi honey

[amber finch]

bro literally complained that no one answered him when 5 different people linked him to the message that contained what he needs

[frozen crypt]

Hi stinky

[autumn oxide]

omg guess what

[frozen crypt]

Wot

[autumn oxide]

last night i dreamt that i pulled a dupe soe and was thinking damn syn2 hor kinda ass cos she has no coverage

[amber finch]

the 60 fps life is hard

[frozen crypt]

SYN2 HOR LMAO

Imejin if they added sync to all dkeys

[fallen shale]

What's this about FPS

[autumn oxide]

i think the worst part is i dont even hv soe on my acc

[sweet flax]

mald territory, ignore it

[amber finch]

oh just some random niche thing that you shouldnt worry about just yet

[autumn oxide]

there comes a point in whaling in this game where getting sss+3 wont improve ur score but getting a better setup will

[amber finch]

its very maldy

[autumn oxide]

x2 the current dkey atk

f2ps seethe

[frozen crypt]

For highly competitive players higher fps = makes higher scores easier, sometimes possible

[autumn oxide]

that 2 whales that saved their dawei cards getting syn3 xy sword insta

[frozen crypt]

True

[fallen shale]

Lmfao that's hilarious

[autumn oxide]

120fps is usually good enough tho

there are niche cases where u wanna lower ur fps to save score but if u use a third party program to do so u can get banned

[frozen crypt]

Yeah 120fps is generally just fine I don't uncap unless double sleepri starts being shit these days

[fallen shale]

I play at 90 but more for a limitation of my monitor not my computer

[autumn oxide]

anyw this is too mald and not for beginner help

[frozen crypt]

Even if you can't see the fps they're still there

[amber finch]

knowing how to rotate your team + having a well geared team are way more important than having higher fps tho

[autumn oxide]

yea tbh, i’d probs just cap it at 120 in regedit anyw

[fallen shale]

I'd imagine

[autumn oxide]

or leave it uncapped cos cope more frames = more score

the most criminal p2 valk so far is probs jds tho

low frames she can eat up as much as 2 pts per ca

[fallen shale]

Funnily enough my phone screen does have the Hz but it's way too much of a potato to run the game above 30

[frozen crypt]

Yeah fps uncapping borderline cheating lmao but its commonplace for high end competitive stuff, especially on CN they're casually running like 700fps

[fallen shale]

And saying it runs the game even at 30 is a stretch

[amber finch]

i mean hi3 isnt that heavy right

[fallen shale]

Poor thing is hanging on for dear life

[frozen crypt]

Game starts breaking a bit beyond 300fps

[autumn oxide]

its just a friendly mobile gacha game right?

[fallen shale]

Many games do .-.

[amber finch]

or is p2 just killing off old devices now

[frozen crypt]

Yeah xD

[frozen crypt]

Always has been

[amber finch]

welp

[frozen crypt]

Do u not remember the shitshow that was p2 launch

[amber finch]

i remember when an ip6 could run hi3

[frozen crypt]

My fucking pc couldn't even run it

[fallen shale]

When I run the units I own it's okish but I did the Sushang trial on it and it started having to stop for seconds at a time to catch up lol

[autumn oxide]

i mean, its a potati

[frozen crypt]

Its not

[amber finch]

i think my 2008 laptop could run hi3 if i push it to its limits

[fallen shale]

I've got a beefy PC but a potato phone
Minmaxing, or something

[autumn oxide]

compared to awas 5090

[amber finch]

awawhel

[autumn oxide]

got it free ofc, just ur friendly neighbourhood f2p

[frozen crypt]

Why are we comparing to that

[amber finch]

he prob has a 800hz monitor just because

[autumn oxide]

setup worse than f2p

[fallen shale]

I'll probably only use my phone to cash in dailies and non combat events tho

[autumn oxide]

real im on 60fps there shits unplayable

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-burned-gif-14847105

[amber finch]

woter when are you malding ma for me

[frozen crypt]

I should have got a new pc with all the money I spent on this game instead

[autumn oxide]

opening for last abyss is completely undoable on mobile for me

[frozen crypt]

HEY MY PC ISNT THAT BAD

Smh

[fallen shale]

I don't think it'd be a good idea to run endgame on a touchscreen at 30fps (on a good day, in practice that thing is probably dropping to 10)

[sweet flax]

idk all I read was "I cant run hi3"

[frozen crypt]

In 7.3

[sweet flax]

so clearly its not a pc

[frozen crypt]

7.3 was a shitshow

[autumn oxide]

mobile gacha game btw

[frozen crypt]

My fps halved

[amber finch]

remember when i used to play hi3 competitively at 30fps

[fallen shale]

Hey it's doing better than ZZZ

[amber finch]

@autumn oxide remember

[sweet flax]

its ok lyo, being unable to run a mobile gacha game on your pc is nothing to be ashamed about, not everyone is well off to buy a fancy pc

[frozen crypt]

It was more a point about the game being shit not my setup no booli plissss

[fallen shale]

ZZZ can't even get past the title screen on my phone lol

It's weird to imagine this game didn't always have a PC port

[frozen crypt]

I predate hi3 pc thats crazy

[amber finch]

hoyo wasnt that big back then

[fallen shale]

You telling me the og HI3 players were forced to exclusively play on phones from 8 years ago?

[frozen crypt]

Yep

[fallen shale]

They hadn't made botw 2 yet

[desert shadow]

Lyold

[amber finch]

they hadnt made their cash cow

[frozen crypt]

Back then I couldn't even be a meta player because it was fuhua meta and night squire crashed my game when I clicked on her nvm use her

[sweet flax]

dont insult botw like that

[frozen crypt]

My HoR was weaponless

[amber finch]

the moment it happened, everything changed

[frozen crypt]

My AE was 0/4

My BKE was 0/4

[amber finch]

well hi3 was a big success too, not saying that it wasnt ofc

[frozen crypt]

Any account is fixable guys

[amber finch]

but genshin just dwarfs it

[frozen crypt]

How did genshin even get that popular

[sweet flax]

can you fix my old account then, its not too bad I promise

[amber finch]

covid

[fallen shale]

I mean I'm seeing from playing this game that they basically modelled every future game after Genshin, since out of their 4 (5?) mainline titles this is a huge odd one out in the way it's structured

[frozen crypt]

Ah shit yeah

[autumn oxide]

mine still is!

[autumn oxide]

mine still is!!!p

[frozen crypt]

Money

[sweet flax]

open world rpgs where heavily hyped back then, imagine being stuck in home 24/7 and exploring with friends

[autumn oxide]

omg mine still is!!!!!!!!!

[frozen crypt]

I thought she was sync 2

[autumn oxide]

only in my dreams sadly

unironically

[frozen crypt]

Damn

[desert shadow]

smh

[amber finch]

well, genshin is their money maker, ofc they’d model the other games after it

[autumn oxide]

nitro booster what a whale

[amber finch]

and its working wonderfully for them

[desert shadow]

[autumn oxide]

whale for me ples whelraix

[fallen shale]

Yeah but it's funny how closely they stick to the formula

[desert shadow]

Money

[fallen shale]

Like was it relevant to Genshin's success that pulls are 160 of the resource instead of 280

[amber finch]

money

[desert shadow]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[amber finch]

it all comes down to money

[fallen shale]

Yeah >.>

[sweet flax]

"pulls are pretty cheap, and prices are somewhat decent with the 2x bonus, it wont hurt to do it this once" repeat this on the people who spend and you make money

[amber finch]

hi3 is different bc it was their first 3d combat game

8 years old babyyy

[fallen shale]

Is HI3's gacha structure similar to the previous honkai games or were they experimenting with each entry before Genshin

[wintry wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-eugene-krabs-mr-krabs-quotes-reaction-gifs-gif-14827445

[sweet flax]

was there gacha in ggz it was so long ago I cant remember

[amber finch]

hi3’s gacha structure is similar to old gacha games more like

[amber finch]

there is

ggz is still alive smh

[fallen shale]

No it eos'd recently didn't it?

[sweet flax]

it's still alive???

[amber finch]

way what

i thought jp and cn is still open

[fallen shale]

I thought that too but apparently they ended too

[sweet flax]

glb & sea servers closed in 2021

[amber finch]

the market for ggz jp and cn are pretty strong wdym

[fallen shale]

I mean eitherway that thing lasted so much longer than I thought it would lol

[amber finch]

yeah anyways

ggz had gacha

[fallen shale]

Admittedly my experience with gacha as a concept basically started with Genshin

[amber finch]

i wouldnt say hi3’s gacha is similar to ggz’s

[fallen shale]

I did play Love Live and D4DJ previously but I largely ignored their gachas to focus on the rhythm game

I'm a newgen

[amber finch]

anyways

eos soon /j

[frozen crypt]

You will eos soon

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you guys prob want to cut this line of talk or move to #off-topic-discussion before-oh she's back

[frozen crypt]

LMAO

[desert shadow]

[frozen crypt]

Git back on topic

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-cat-cat-depressed-depression-gif-15672128729567338057

[spiral badge]

please also refrain from EoS jokes here in the slim off chance someone misses the sarcasm and takes it seriously lol

[frozen crypt]

He did put /j tbf

[amber finch]

eh someone may miss it like that guy #🎮honkai-chat yesterday

[spiral badge]

and i said people might still miss the sarcasm or joke

but if you're giving the ok then i'll let it go lol

[amber finch]

dont let it go

[desert shadow]

Wait HI3 is going to EoS soon

[spiral badge]

zyy you shit don't extend it

[amber finch]

ong we got one

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[desert shadow]

[amber finch]

sairaan swore

my life is ruined

[spiral badge]

you mean i don't?

you might want to raincheck my message history lol

because i do. newsflash lol

[desert shadow]

Especially in sols

Sairaan is DIRTY

[frozen crypt]

Nah ur right it shouldn't be done excessively but one off jokes that are clearly marked as a joke I'm not too concerned

[amber finch]

atleast sairaan’s not lyo

anyways

[spiral badge]

part of it is also that i'm constantly playing the straight man and needing to explain jokes or even just phrases to people who aren't familiar with english, internet speak, or street speak, etc

[desert shadow]

We appreciate your hardwork Sairaan

[frozen crypt]

Sai mod when

[spiral badge]

no

[frozen crypt]

Bro didn't even consider it

Damn

[desert shadow]

I'll take it for him

[amber finch]

i’ll consider it

[sweet flax]

LMFAO

[spiral badge]

man i can't even say off topic because that would literally play into it lol

[amber finch]

oop ron is asking something

[tall flax]

Any ideas how to rotate Badum, PS, HoHE?
I don’t think anyone uses this kind of team.

[spiral badge]

i know i do enough pseudo modding as is but i hate doing it as an actual focus lol

[amber finch]

nvm i dont have badum someone help him

[spiral badge]

any LoA team isn't really going to have a true rotation to always blindly repeat. Instead the team is very flexible and adjustable to the fight, and there's a number of things to keep in mind as you cycle through them

[desert shadow]

Surely you have someone better than HoHe to use?

[tall flax]

As a person who failed to do MA for Lantern because of it, I realized I didn’t know how to use it

[spiral badge]

MA is a very different scenario though

[amber finch]

why not ps dps

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because you can slow down the timer there

and LoA valks have alot of suspended animations

[tall flax]

She doesn’t have weapon

[amber finch]

[desert shadow]

[spiral badge]

playing an LoA team will be very different between abyss and MA

[amber finch]

so your only loa options are hohe badum and ps, nothing else ron?

[spiral badge]

a big example can be kiana's heavenly shift. You kinda lose alot of time in abyss watching the drum slamming animation

but in MA it does slow down the clock

[tall flax]

My most recent run

Nope that’s all I have

[frozen crypt]

I won't

Where reply

[amber finch]

she wont

[frozen crypt]

I won't

[spiral badge]

you probably don't want badum leader

because as a leader, she needs to basic attack to fill up her meter

and she has no timestop or sus ani during that time unless you evade mid attack

[amber finch]

ehh lemme think

no ps weap is really bricking tho

[spiral badge]

she can also hold attack to reset team member's swap cd/qte but that's still time not being slowed down

[amber finch]

cant refresh wa for the transition

[spiral badge]

yeah you do want to clear through transition fast to get the damage boost from it

but maybe PS QTE spam with hohe speeding it up can still get through it? idk

this is assuming PS as leader

[amber finch]

i’ll try

[spiral badge]

PS as leader is questionable without weapon though. PS' moveset is very animation heavy with alot of sus anis making it nice for MA but the damage you deal without her weapon will prob not be efficient even with those animations

i'm not sure tbh

maybe give ps lead without weapon a try

[sweet flax]

tbh without weapon its very deadge run

[tall flax]

I’m going to put it out there, but Badum has never dealt any damage over 500k throughout her duration.
What does PS lead do?

[spiral badge]

i already explained it

[spiral badge]

also you shouldn't measure damage purely off of single hits?

[fallen shale]

I just got Triumph from the gacha, anything I can do with her?

[spiral badge]

it's all about damage over time. It's harder to measure in MA since the timer can be slowed down

[thick bolt]

nope
she's right at the bottom in usefulness

[fallen shale]

Damn

[autumn oxide]

stupid broken ring

[spiral badge]

i don't make the rules but i help people work with such rules buddy

[autumn oxide]

i hate loa cos i cant abuse it

[spiral badge]

lol

[frozen crypt]

get em sai (idk whats happening)

[spiral badge]

i have it but my pc is potato so i bleed time everywhere. that or i suck

[amber finch]

oh yeah you can just qte spam

[tall flax]

If I make PS lead, that means I would have to use her most of the time?

[amber finch]

btw ron with teri you dont save so you do know that right

you immediately so p1 and then farm intensity during transition for p2

[amber finch]

do you have brick

[tall flax]

Yes

[spiral badge]

anyway to explain it again:

• MA timer can be slowed by time fracture or specific animations (the game doesn't tell you what. You just have to test it. We call them suspended animations)
• Badum leader will require you to spend non slowed time with her basic attack to fill up meter, or her hold attack to refresh teammate qtes.
• Sushang as leader doesn't suffer as badly, since she can QTE in > weapon > hold attack > weapon. The first weapon already refreshes teammate QTEs and the hold attack after seems to have sus anis at least. Maybe the one after that too?

[amber finch]

just use brick ps im not joking

[spiral badge]

yeah maybe try something else entirely

[amber finch]

killed p1 in 8s so theres that

[spiral badge]

but also keep in mind memorial arena isn't actually important in terms of scoring well for rankings. If this ends up unreasonable just aim to clear, or score high enough for crystals if it's reasonable

[tall flax]

I think I got a score of 38k at the time of clear

[spiral badge]

as long as you clear without buffed mode you'll get the crystals i think

at that point i'm not going to care too badly about anything else reward wise

[spiral badge]

if you can get the other AW/AL afterwards that's nice too but at this point AW/AL are only for outdated valks or endlessly consumed resources

[tall flax]

this is PS when lead

[spiral badge]

please don't use a single damage number to judge a character

i already explained that it's about damage over time

and that's tricky to measure in memorial arena

as a rough example you can spend ten seconds doing a giant nuke in MA with alot of that time not being slowed down

or you can spend 20s doing alot of lesser hits that adds up to be greater than that giant nuke, but this real time 20s is constantly with time fractures or sus anis that it becomes 6s or something on the MA timer

[amber finch]

whats the score

[desert shadow]

tf is 1/3 time iirc so yeah, 20 seconds to six

[amber finch]

heres what i got, improvable, s0 ps s0 song s2 hohe s teri

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqPVuhyeKM here's a very very ancient example where the run highly abuses time fracture and makes a very weak team still score well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1E08rC4OpA

[amber finch]

level 50 brick on ps

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but also take a look at a run like this

and notice how the timer doesn't really count down as sushang is attacking

or just anyone on the team really

kiana's full meter attack is sus ani too. But she only gets it right away if she's a support and not as a leader

again if she's the leader, she will enter the field without full meter. QTE only makes her fill it up faster (merriment). She still has to waste time attacking with non timer slowing moves to build it up.

[tall flax]

I just noticed, PS doesn’t crit at all

[spiral badge]

ofc not. she's a bleed valk

bleed attacks don't crit

[tall flax]

Still doing my run so I can’t say yet

[spiral badge]

anyway i guess ches can help you work out the details

i actually need to go now

good luck

[amber finch]

bai bairaan

you dont save so at all with teri btw ron

[spiral badge]

things to keep in mind

• team buff uptimes (usually from stig 3pc. make sure to check them for activation conditions)
• heavenly link from supports only. not leader (restores 15 ARI and deals adapative damage based on leader on QTE. 16s CD)
• stellar drain (mainly to rush to SO at the start of the fight)
• valk specific gimmicks (PS bleed, FWS SD mechanics with weap active, HoHE aim mode for tank weakness)

there's prob more but i'll leave it at that for now

[amber finch]

just farm intensity as fast as you can and immediately use it

[tall flax]

yea im doing that and that works wonders

i think i can full score now after using PS lead unlike Badum lead

[spiral badge]

go get em

anyway bai bai

[amber finch]

yeah you’re doing smt wrong

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1giLGz3EWX try following this opening

its wa jump wa

ss teri is basically the same as s teri for this run

[tall flax]

Oh I did QTE to WA to Hold Atk 2x and then WA

[amber finch]

waste of time, you’re trying to so as fast as possible not that

do you need a recording since you dont deal the same amount of dmg as that run

[tall flax]

Maybe

[amber finch]

ofc it’ll be song hoh instead of badum bc i dont have badum

aight i’ll record then

i was wondering why the timer went down so fast

[sweet flax]

46 fps is wild

[naive pivot]

why is it like that

[amber finch]

it just autolocks to 45fps when it records idk why

sometimes it goes up to 60 tho

[naive pivot]

[sweet flax]

your fps has a personality ig

[amber finch]

what the fuck

ok im going near my router

[sweet flax]

LOL

[amber finch]

my room is really far away from my house’s wifi router

[sweet flax]

omg im a fucking dumbass

[amber finch]

L

[naive pivot]

[amber finch]

there we go still long as hell for a 500mb vid tho

oop wait nvm it jumped down to 20 secs

still pretty long

[fallen shale]

what are good sources of XP?

[sweet flax]

using stamina

[desert shadow]

jajaja noob

[amber finch]

bp missions + anything that costs stamina

if it costs stamina then it’ll give you xp

[fallen shale]

it seems like lvl 50 is gonna be a huge burst of crystals

I'm currently at 46

[amber finch]

shuddup

[desert shadow]

[amber finch]

https://youtu.be/Bgl1kUeGxBU?si=0th7c8BcC_PT9-9X @tall flax

oop forgor abt dkeys, its just R L L L

butchered transition phase but atleast i got the 5 stacks

[desert shadow]

Using crit on a critless valk is wild

[sweet flax]

crit > physical???

[shadow gyro]

ps fws hohe is more than enough for the rewards for lantern boss in ma right?
thinking about that then vita team on aka and maybe for giggles que sena thelema for kallen
don't have any other p2 units (well but helia) to try

[desert shadow]

No

[amber finch]

oh wait right is crit?

[sweet flax]

nah Imeant why would he pic crit over physical from dkeys

[desert shadow]

PS can't even crit

[amber finch]

i thought right is phys

[sweet flax]

look who I replied to

[desert shadow]

Bricked

[amber finch]

its phys + whatever

[amber finch]

more than enough

[amber finch]

should’ve picked ice dmg ngl

didnt need the sp regen there

so its L R R R

got it wrong

[desert shadow]

You know left is the damage for each one right

[sweet flax]

why eu so slack lol

[tall flax]

i forgot to lvlup stigmata

now i did more dmg

[amber finch]

i said i forgor

[sweet flax]

!faq ches

[amber finch]

still pretty low but atleast its better now

ig you’re not pulling for weap considering your xtals count

[tall flax]

everytime i switch idek if i have to rotate all char or just 1

[amber finch]

whar

you just do the qte + combo then switch

[amber finch]

like the vid

[sweet flax]

you need to consistently switch to build up ari

[tall flax]

PS Rot -> QTE HoHE -> QTE Badum

and then QTE PS

[sweet flax]

are you using weapon skill on hohe or badum

[tall flax]

both

[amber finch]

just farm ari

[sweet flax]

k just making sure

[amber finch]

you want to so as much as you can

especially with teri

[tall flax]

my Brick isnt maxed

could be why i lack dmg

[amber finch]

my brick is level 50

[tall flax]

oh same here

[ancient needle]

In WoD it's Dudu by a landslide
In LoA Dudu is slightly better

[sweet flax]

ye teammate that sailed shipped a long time ago, also they were asking about non-ring specific buffs

[amber finch]

cant wait to forget to switch back sushi’s weap and wonder why i deal no dmg

[sweet flax]

to prepare for ||helia||

[amber finch]

sail ship fr

[sweet flax]

which makes no sense

[ancient needle]

My messages didn't load

[sweet flax]

lmao

[desert shadow]

[naive pivot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/648431874217345025/1211163631186608188/44259797e4f88e42c40b42f9b2b8eadf26592755.gif

[gloomy acorn]

Constantly skip the fish

[peak crow]

Any team recommendations chat?

[thick bolt]

Just go solo with sushang, you won't have trouble clearing anything for now

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[peak crow]

But everything is trial chars :(.

[thick bolt]

mhmm, ch 7 onwards is full trial in terms of story

only place to use your own units is the other gamemodes like abyss or memorial arena

[thick bolt]

In addition to this you can make PS Coralie SI/TA

[sweet flax]

you will get a valk from the beginner manual called reverist calico, use her as a support for sushang (peregrine sword) along with si (grise starry impression)

[thick bolt]

RC or Cora?
ig both work

[sweet flax]

coralie is obtainable + her weapon from the first rewards of p2 if you wanna go out of the way for that

and ta is available in the asterite shop which requires a bit of farming and time to get
preferably try to use ps vbm(coralie) ta as your team

[sweet flax]

they get hov, jk, rc and si from their manual rn

so I just went with those, mentioned the other options

[thick bolt]

got it

[peak crow]

I have Starry impression from the manual so I'll eventually get RC?

[sweet flax]

ye it should be pretty early on

like phase 3 or phase 4, not sure which

[peak crow]

Got em, so I should pair PG with SI and RC?

[dapper axle]

Where can I find adventure tasks?
And is it a good idea to unlock a map if I need to clear a mission that requires me to clear 5 adventure tasks…?

[odd plume]

can't remember but after chapter 1.3 or so

and yes, you should always do OW tasks even if no mission

[dapper axle]

;-;

I thought this had like a spoiler or something if I’m still behind in the main story, so I thought I can always do it later

I think it’s kind of a separate story but I wanted to focus on the main story and not get things mixed up

Um which map to unlock…

[ancient needle]

APHO1 came out at the same time as Chapter 15

APHO2 did at the same time as Chapter 28

[odd plume]

where is the reading order

[ancient needle]

It places APHO in the very end iirc

Which makes sense from the story's perspective ofc

[peak crow]

I feel like I've seen this, what's this called again?

[sweet flax]

yep

[odd plume]

apho

[sweet flax]

at least until you get something better

which I mentioned earlier as well