👶beginner-help

[frozen crypt]

I mean she's used for the tdt buff its not too relevant how many 0s SS MA strats RC is used in

[nimble nova]

where does the Nebulous Duality come from for TA?

[ancient needle]

Not talking about 0s necessarily

[ancient needle]

From the Manual

[spiral badge]

come from? It doesn't come from her

[sweet flax]

forgive me for asking this but, what's the benefit to clearing ss ma over prioritizing more account establishing equipment
im just curious

[frozen crypt]

She'll help score well and will see usage for much longer than JK will but JK will probably have larger short-term gains

[ancient needle]

idr which phase

[ancient needle]

What account establishing equipment

There is almost none, that's the kicker

[sweet flax]

dkeys?

[ancient needle]

Alr covered above, should take like 5-6 weeks

[sweet flax]

now that you know, abyss flower and fhd are in bp

[spiral badge]

now that abyss flower is in long term but forseeable sights-yeah that

[nimble nova]

ah dont see it for phase 7 or 8 guess its much later

[ancient needle]

Oh, right

[sweet flax]

dkeys alone will take weeks if they are being effecient with their mirage tickets

[spiral badge]

but also people may not want to mald/optimize SS MA or MA in general and don't really have a strong reason to

so again i would rather not push it out as a general focus and keep it more specialized to the individual

[sweet flax]

and ss ma rewards are.... well not very incentivizing (and they can just auto clear when they unlock it for the main crystal rewards from clearing stages of ma)

[frozen crypt]

Yesh keeping the box is fair tbh, I think it will depend if the person feels a need to run JK dps, looks like purana is only a small tdm increase for the team at lvl 35, like 5%?

[spiral badge]

oh that statement was more about ether fuel

[frozen crypt]

Oh nvm xD

[spiral badge]

because you never know if you would need to craft a p2 stig you missed from the gacha and don't want to risk building pity for

or if you want to craft cora stigs

so all that combined with dkeys would keep accounts busy for a long while i feel

[frozen crypt]

Yeah sounds like 3 patches of work to me

At least

[ancient needle]

Yeah, ok, FHD and Abyss Flower change things, gotta think it through

[sweet flax]

not necessarily 3 patches, but 2 patches if they are effecient should be enough

[spiral badge]

alot of players prob would've neglected it until it's mentioned too

[frozen crypt]

Including fhp and abyss?

[sweet flax]

abyss flower, not utu (I corrected my typo earlier)

[ancient needle]

Is FHD not there?

[frozen crypt]

It is ya

[sweet flax]

fenghuang down and abyss flower, who's foundry counterparts need to be crafted

[ancient needle]

Also Abyss Flower, dayum

[sweet flax]

toe and utu dont need foundry counter parts

[spiral badge]

@nimble nova phase 5

so go check your equipment menu

[frozen crypt]

They can get ToE from bp as well

[nimble nova]

oh i do have it im blind lol

[ancient needle]

If we do go by 5 P2 valks then it's fucking 45 weeks (almost a year)

[frozen crypt]

Yeah LOL

[ancient needle]

Assuming they keep the 9 week patches ofc, which could arguably be too much of an assumption

[frozen crypt]

This patch length increase sucks

[frozen crypt]

Not really, the bp changes confirms that its perma

[sweet flax]

why cant they just give us the crystals and shorten patches, makes things easier

[ancient needle]

Though there ofc are gacha dkeys, so you'll get there earlier

[frozen crypt]

Well not 9 exactly some could be 8 afaik

[ancient needle]

Assuming they keep giving out the required valks

Why did they include Purana, we have to think now

[sweet flax]

gacha player has to use his brain now

we in the endgame

[quick birch]

this too mucht thinking before it was ez braindead decision now i have to evaluate it with every player

[ancient needle]

An estimate of 35 weeks should be fair then (1 stray dkey and 1 8 week patch)

Up to 35 weeks ofc, peeps could start out in the middle of a patch

~30 weeks should be the minimum then

[sweet flax]

to be fair its more like 28 weeks,

4 patches for 2 dkeys, 1 patch should be more than enough for a dkey craftable,

(assuming they are effecient)

[ancient needle]

That's a fair point

How did I forget that you start out at 0 SP in MA, you can't just WA + BA + ult there 😭

Yeah, I don't think JK is that good of an idea then

And upgrading Purana should be fine

At least if you keep it non-PRI

!faq ches it is

[calm kernel]

you can still give jk gloves to ta to buff ice in ss ma

or any other fist user

[ancient needle]

It comes down to whether the person has SW or HoHE then assuming the buff is significant

[calm kernel]

well only time i used was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrjCM3a_2yM

[ancient needle]

What in the cooking

[naive pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992286931822059612/1365624928686178304/PDyFxgY1pPmeyW_3cdPLa9jvfiaTTIMsxnByE4xnOGw.gif

[calm kernel]

purana is kinda meh on pardo too, vast majority of her buff comes from just her skills

[ancient needle]

Yeah, but it's more about RC DPS

[calm kernel]

its mostly personal dmg for her

[ancient needle]

Though if they do have HoHE they might as well get her bow

Instead of gloves I mean

[autumn oxide]

can run cosmic full marg there on ta

[limber lance]

hey

should i go with full crit affixes on my mini durandal's stigmata?

[naive pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992286931822059612/1359733898262872154/0mxmxm1d5wte1.gif

[ancient needle]

Nah, full ATK is better

I mean, if you alr have high CDM lines they're fine to keep

Crit rate (which is actually CRT (which is not crit rate, only a part of the formula for it)) is garbo tho

[limber lance]

ok imma change them all to atk

[fallen shale]

where do I get stigmata that can be lvl 40?

it seems most of the ones I have stop at 35

and I need 3 for growth regimen

[sweet flax]

base 4* stigmata such as event/signature stigmata are able to be taken to 50

marco polo and fu hua musician from your manual are also able to reach lvl 50

[fallen shale]

how can I get more of those tickets I'd need to get marco polo or fu hua

I can only afford one more which would bring me to 2/3

[sweet flax]

the missions in your manual

[fallen shale]

what's a prism stigma

is it weapon related? cause the go button drags me to the gacha

[thick bolt]

The stigmata for part 2 valkyries, require source prisms to craft and upgrade. Salvaging also gives source prisms

[fallen shale]

is there a way to obtain one outside of pulling?

[thick bolt]

You craft them through the foundry, cost 2 prisms + 600 ether fuel each

May I ask whose set you wanna craft?

[fallen shale]

I don't know, one of those tasks in the manual is to obtain one

at the moment I don't own any part 2 valkyries

[thick bolt]

How many days do you have left for the starter manual?

[fallen shale]

however I am currently working toward the Sushang on the banner and I'll get around to doing the story and obtaining that free part 2

[fallen shale]

80 days

[thick bolt]

Okay if you're aiming for sushang then you'll get tons when you pull for her weapon. Nothing urgent to craft, you have plenty of time

[fallen shale]

but I've been using the growth regimen as my main source of crystals

since it gives 800 everytime you clear a phase

[thick bolt]

Since you're aiming for the weapon anyway you could just throw a 10 pull on her weapon banner for this phase

Also story and Elysian Realm contain a way bigger source of one time crystals so it won't be an issue to just sit on a phase for a bit.
Later phases of the regimen do need you to have multiple pieces of max lvl gear so it's going to take a bit of time still.

[fallen shale]

ok

what's elysian realm?

[thick bolt]

A gamemode you unlock at lvl 50. It has roguelite elements.

You get a key each week which you can use to permanently unlock a valkyrie you own inside of ER. Each valk can provide upto 620 crystals

[fallen shale]

also I see there's a task here called "get promoted to agony in abyss" and one called "get promoted to agony in abyss this week"
what's the difference? Cause I've apparently done one but not the other

[thick bolt]

First is onetime, 2nd is weekly

[fallen shale]

is that just beating the floor 10 boss on sinful?

[storm lantern]

it should say beat the boss in x seconds to promote

[quick birch]

In a certain time limit yes

[fallen shale]

ok I think I haven't done it

I'm currently 30s off the requirement

[quick birch]

I'm not really familiar with sinful q manifold but I imagine it should be doable

Maybe we can help with the team/rotation what are you using currently ?

[fallen shale]

I just did it using SP Seele > SI Griseo > RC Pardo

[quick birch]

Maybe check out some of these teams

All valks here are either free/farmable same as the stigmatas

[fallen shale]

I think I'm missing something cause it's not letting me into agony

it said "complete the challenge to be promoted to Agony" and I did

[storm lantern]

you don't get it until abyss reset

[quick birch]

You have to wait until a new abyss cycle starts

[fallen shale]

so next cycle I'll be in Agony?

[quick birch]

The next one starts on Friday

[fallen shale]

ok

so reaching the level requirement to get into elysian realm will be a really strong source of crystals to mine from?

[quick birch]

Yes 500 weekly crystals and a lot of one time crystal sources

[fallen shale]

how long should it take me to hit lvl 50? I'm at 35 rn

[frozen crypt]

a couple days

[quick birch]

Just do your BP missions daily and you should reach it pretty fast

[frozen crypt]

levelling is really really fast these days, slows down a bit after level 60ish or 70

[rotund roost]

what team for this?

[quick birch]

can try ps/fws/jds

[orchid yacht]

isn’t the team straight up fws jds lp

[quick birch]

nope dudu/fws/jds

[sweet flax]

wait dudu dps is best and not jds dps?

[quick birch]

jds if s2 iirc

[orchid yacht]

that was good like half a year ago

[sweet flax]

damn

[orchid yacht]

fws just pulled up and ate everything sd related

[sweet flax]

wait so if no dudu, is fws next best on this boss? (since jds can just be supp for her)

[orchid yacht]

so jds just becomes the obligatory loa support for sd cos of her ca mechanic

with a ref u could probably get 800+

idk dont quote me on that i didn’t check

[frozen crypt]

wĥat if no fws am I cooked

[sweet flax]

ill check refs later

[orchid yacht]

is not having fws or lp more account bricking atp

[quick birch]

no idea how fws vs jds dps compares although lp is crazy ass on this, probably can get good results in RL because you can just refresh buffs with SO but nirvana with vita stellar shift ew

[sweet flax]

I tried doing the same exact run I had a long ass while ago with lp > dsa but my score is still 760 so clearly it's shit

[orchid yacht]

in rl u only have to switch to lp once at the start

[sweet flax]

ye ^

[orchid yacht]

nirv 545d might be a diff story

[quick birch]

well thats what i was refering to in my msg

nirvana boss just to chonky you have to do vita stellar shift at least once

RL no problem refresh with SO

[orchid yacht]

tbh if u have teri aop its easier

if u mash fast enough u might be able to get 3 shifts in before vita breach runs out

[quick birch]

still need to do her shift and that shit has -50% dmg this weather and even on normal weather she takes ages

just give vita timestop on stellar shift pls

she op then

[shadow gyro]

i have a question
if ps/rs, fws, jds is a suggested team for this boss
why not fws lead? does it have to do with the weather or

[quick birch]

phys weather quite nice for ps

thats why dudu dps is on this boss and she just uses fws jds support

[shadow gyro]

i see

[orchid yacht]

i dont think the devs use 3 braincells when putting the suggestions
ps just works but fws and rs eat this boss in like 5 seconds

[shadow gyro]

oh i didn't mean the ingame suggestion i didn't even check that lmao

[quick birch]

yeah it isnt a suggestions

game still suggesting jds/sena/thele

[amber finch]

this is awkward

[quick birch]

[amber finch]

also i think i just dont know how to play loa sonker so i decided to just use wod song

[shadow gyro]

i don't have dudu so ps it is
still suffering with the affixes

[sweet flax]

so fws jds tfm/lp > jds lp mps
or is there a better team? (I do not have rs, and ps has no weapon yet)

[quick birch]

ainoway my ps can score higher on EU SS teri tbf but still

[amber finch]

no way -10d = higher score

[quick birch]

lah i tank that score diff because no critical value trigger

[amber finch]

dont you have fws

[quick birch]

yes but she does not trigger that shit

[amber finch]

she does fym

[quick birch]

jds exclusive ?

[amber finch]

no?

[thick bolt]

the song insta mode change

not the shard gather

[quick birch]

she just gives -8% max hp

[amber finch]

oh wait that

oop

[sweet flax]

wait you think fws triggers critical state?

[quick birch]

ainoway !faq ches moment

[amber finch]

nah just got it mixed with the gather

[sweet flax]

😭 !faq ches

[amber finch]

anyways ss teri what the fuck mango

[quick birch]

let me have my fun

birb was really nice to plav in nirv

ez t100

[orchid yacht]

i dont think u can get away with tfm
vita is too good

[amber finch]

dont compare your fucking score to mine when you have that shit

atleast let me get s teri first

[fallen shale]

how much of part 2 do I need to do to get the free Coralie

[sweet flax]

so use lp, but the more important one is fws > jds ye?

[sweet flax]

its the first reward, second reward is her weapon

so not much of p2

[orchid yacht]

jds not on the team is like -50 minimum
so fws lp jds

[quick birch]

no idea actually jds dps still top scores with s2 so maybe give it a try

wait dont you have s2

[sweet flax]

ye

[amber finch]

no ss sera sucks

[sweet flax]

maybe next carnival

[fallen shale]

is there much difference in crystal rewards between part 1 and 2 or am I safe to just play whichever story I'd rather be doing

[sweet flax]

crystal sources pin

[amber finch]

there is because one is 6-7 years old and one is like 1-2 years old

[fallen shale]

but like by time
I know P2 has less cause it's significantly shorter but in terms of getting enough crystals in time for Sushang, will I get there slower if I play P2?

[sweet flax]

yes crystals are slower in p2 unless you are skipping everything, since half of p1 is combat stages that take 30 seconds-1min to clear on average

[fallen shale]

so for the purposes of getting Sushang I should do P2 until those two coralie rewards then hop right back into P1?

[sweet flax]

clear p2 until you finish covenant of finality (one of your manual missions) by that time you would have gotten a good amount of crystals and enough essence to level up the story pass to lvl 2 which nets you coralie + weap

[amber finch]

this goes so hard

[fallen shale]

the story pass?

[amber finch]

p2 has a “battlepass”

[sweet flax]

one sec ill get a screenshot

in p2 chapters 1-3, you get these things called streamers of starlight
almost everything you do in p2 gives you them

the more you get the more rewards you unlock

[fallen shale]

oh I literally just reached this

so this is where the free coralie comes from

[sweet flax]

yes

as you can see the first 2 rewards are coralie and her hammer

[fallen shale]

so I just gotta obtain 400 of those points then I dip?

[sweet flax]

up to you, as I mentioned, there will be 2 missions in your manual that requires p2 story chapter 1 completion, the missions "covenant of finality" and "geological seat"

[fallen shale]

I suppose since I have a time limit I should probably go with the route that gets me crystals faster

[sweet flax]

well the route that gets you crystals the fastest is following your manual

if you wanna be effecient just complete those missions while doing p2 for coralie

[fallen shale]

well I'm getting coralie so she makes it easier to complete the manual lol

covenant of finality is a mainline quest?

[sweet flax]

its a quest in chapter 1 of p2 yes

[fallen shale]

ok

[sweet flax]

cof is one of the first quests you get

the second quest genealogical seat is a bit later

[frozen crypt]

@odd plume whenever you're free, what are your thoughts on purana vs noct and S rank RC for dps if someone picks purana

[fallen shale]

in that case what I might do is continue with the manual but progress P2 for level and stuff when I hit walls instead of P1 until I reach genealogical seat

since previously I was using P1 story for that

[sweet flax]

fair enough

[fallen shale]

also how safe is it to enter #📚honkai-lore spoiler-wise

I wanna ask questions about the story cause I'm profoundly lost lol

[sweet flax]

its very full of spoilers

you can ask there but expect to be met with answers that contain spoilers for future chapters as well

id suggest continuing with the story a bit longer as future chapters can clear up misconceptions of earlier chapters

especially the very early chapters

[fallen shale]

well I suppose that's to be expected of a game with nearly 9 years worth of lore lol

[ancient needle]

And there absolutely are story spoilers in the #📚honkai-lore convo rn

[fallen shale]

lmao

[sweet flax]

ye like literally screenshots from the middle of a later chapter

[fallen shale]

alright well I'll try to understand on my own for the time being

[frozen crypt]

are you following the recommended reading order?

[fallen shale]

the what

also probably not I'm optimising for fast crystals more than story comprehension atm

[frozen crypt]

the story is not quite as simple as just doing all the chapters in order

ah I see

[fallen shale]

I'll probably go back and replay things once I'm not worried about that

they do let you replay story right?

[ancient needle]

Not OW chapters and not P2 ones

[fallen shale]

shit

[frozen crypt]

probably better and faster to use youtube tbh

people do upload just the story components

[ancient needle]

Keep in mind there are mangas that take place before the main story, you wanna read them as well

[frozen crypt]

^^

[fallen shale]

I haven't been skipping or anything btw I just have zero clue what's going on lol

[frozen crypt]

!faq ro

[small willow]

Recommended Read Order

[frozen crypt]

this last I checked doesn't have some of the latest p2 chapters and not sure if honkai lore still uses this faq or something else but it should be accurate for p1

I asked honkai lore and they were like yeah its fine for pre p2 content

[abstract sequoia]

from what I remember, it should be just story and the yt animations that came out at the time

like that summer ani

[ancient needle]

There is 1 confusing part like the Thele event at least

[thick bolt]

If you enter to ask, do specify where you're at in the story to avoid spoilers in the asnwers

[abstract sequoia]

teri cube too i guess, no clue when that is supposed to take place

[ancient needle]

But the reading order is not in the order of release anyway

[fallen shale]

I'll take a look at the read order to see if there's anything I can do to alleviate my confusion without messing with my crystal income too much

[abstract sequoia]

it shouldnt mess with your income at all

[fallen shale]

I do want to enjoy the story too cause I've heard good things

it was like one of the two things I came here for lol

[abstract sequoia]

except for like starter manual quest stuff

which is some early APHO 1 chapters and very early Part 2

which you wanna play anyway to get your free Coralie

[fallen shale]

since I need to do P2 stuff for manual and coralie I'll probably just rewatch the bits I'm doing rn

[abstract sequoia]

plus Hammer

[abstract sequoia]

its not much you have to play anyway

[slim blaze]

I gotten 780 RL. Ok score? Rs jds fws

[abstract sequoia]

for coralie unlock i actually looked what it takes minimum to get her

#👶beginner-help message

[fallen shale]

ok I just got coralie

but I still need her weapon I suspect

[abstract sequoia]

Yea

[fallen shale]

wait so I can just open chests instead of doing anymore story?

[abstract sequoia]

yep

i made this as lore spoiler friendly as possible

[fallen shale]

can I explore the region in the middle of quests

[sweet flax]

what the fuck is the point of bili refs if im outscoring them doing other dumb things

[sweet flax]

btw story discussion is not permitted here

[fallen shale]

I know but it's technically a gameplay question >>.>>

I'll avoid such specific questions tho

[sweet flax]

better to ask "can I explore the region in the middle of quests"

[fallen shale]

ok thanks

[sweet flax]

and the answer is yes

[abstract sequoia]

yea sure walk anywhere you like

theres no out of sequence side quest you could trigger

[abstract sequoia]

To be fair, this has one flaw: You will have to return a bit later to complete the second starter manual quest related to story (Genealogical Seat)

but thats the absolute limit for how far you have to play part 2

[fallen shale]

alright I just got hammer :>

time to bounce (for now)

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-clapping-theatre-gif-15313749163340250467

[fallen shale]

oh now they're showing me the synergy system

is that the thing where you get duplicates of a weapon to make them stronger?

[sweet flax]

yes, but they arent necessary and you shouldnt go out of your way to pull them

helia and coralie are an exception where their synergies require mod parts obtainable via asterite shop, but that can be expensive for a beginner and overall a very minor increase

(keep in mind, helia's weapon cannot be unlocked this way, you need to own the weapon to use the mod parts)

[fallen shale]

how viable/worth it is it to farm for Sena out of the bp

[sweet flax]

you cant, you need to buy bp to unlock sena

[fallen shale]

oh you can't just buy her with those resources

[sweet flax]

and even if you could afford her, she isnt the best choice to get (outdated and replaced in all her roles)

[sweet flax]

no, even if you have enough crystallum saved up over how many patches, you need to buy the bp to unlock her as a reward

[fallen shale]

huh

[sweet flax]

?

[quick birch]

everything not in reserved shop is locked behind buying the BP

reserve work has more valuable things anyway

[fallen shale]

I didn't realise

[frozen crypt]

YEAH

Paywallge

[sweet flax]

doesnt matter sena sucks anyways

[frozen crypt]

its unfortunate but whatever, its not like f2p used to be able to get valks anyway

[fallen shale]

where do I get Terminal Aide cause a lot of the suggest beginner teams seem to recommend her

[sweet flax]

asterite shop

[frozen crypt]

asterite shop

you have read the asterite priority list at least once I hope?

[ancient needle]

Supply -> Shop -> Basic Currency -> Asterite Shop -> Fragments

[fallen shale]

no I've not looked at the asterite shop yet really

[frozen crypt]

ok fancy pants

o dam

maybe I'm just overestimating how long I've seen you in this channel for

xd

[fallen shale]

I'm a youngin

[frozen crypt]

I thought you'd been here at least a week maybe its just a couple days lol

[fallen shale]

days yea

[frozen crypt]

icic

[frozen crypt]

true but some people spam leave and rejoin cuz they're weird

[quick birch]

time does not feel real holy, i could swear its been longer than 9 days

[frozen crypt]

and my join date marks the day of the incident

[fallen shale]

yes I started on the 20th but I kinda evaporated for 5 days before doing anything

then kanbaeru mentioned "oh btw sushang is here" and I was like "oh shit I actually gotta go play the game now"

[sweet flax]

what a coincidence :o (dont look at mine)

[frozen crypt]

so close LOL

[fallen shale]

where's that asterite recommendation thing cause I got loads of these resources

[frozen crypt]

!faw aster

ok

!faq aster

[small willow]

Asterite Priority

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Asterite Priority list!
-# Aimed at beginner accounts.

Also see Professor Sairaan's Asterite Sources breakdown [here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[thick bolt]

#👶beginner-help message

[frozen crypt]

this is also in the pins

on the big pin wall

[ancient needle]

Do you remember your original date tho

[sweet flax]

under currency investments

for later reference

[frozen crypt]

not the date but end of 2021

[quick birch]

i just joined chatted for a few weeks and quit honkai then

[ancient needle]

[frozen crypt]

first msg is 31st august and I normally talk as soon as I join a server so safe to assume then

[fallen shale]

is the list ordered? like should I be going down the list from 1 - 6?

[frozen crypt]

wit im stupid 2019 not 2021

[frozen crypt]

its separated into categories and those categories are kinda ordered via importance hence the top one is bolded

but all of them are useful ofc otherwise they wouldn't be on there

[sweet flax]

not sure why A rc is there when beginners literally get a free copy of RC

[fallen shale]

I was gonna go straight for TA cause I straight up don't have her rn

[frozen crypt]

she's a bit late in the starter manual I think thats why

[odd plume]

could be a returnee or something

[sweet flax]

fair enough

[frozen crypt]

omg hsien

[fallen shale]

I got the free RC already

[odd plume]

[fallen shale]

and like it seems all the beginner recommendations ask for her lol

[thick bolt]

praise the cat

[fallen shale]

sorry I meant TA not RC

all the beginner recommendations seem to ask for TA

[thick bolt]

[sweet flax]

stuck in 5.6-6.7 ic

[frozen crypt]

yeah, you can unlock her around getting coralie and helia frags

[thick bolt]

church of pardo died in 7.4 (with kithi) sadly, not as prevalent anymore

[sweet flax]

ehhhh there was a church?

[frozen crypt]

yep

god I was so clueless back then wtf

[thick bolt]

yeah, people kept spamming praise the cat
Kithi was the pope/cult leader

[fallen shale]

around?

sorry I don't follow the sentence

[sweet flax]

petition to rename !faq ches to !faq ches&lyo

/j

[fallen shale]

how many fragments is one unit?

[frozen crypt]

like simultaneously

[fallen shale]

so would it be a good idea to grab enough fragments to just get TA and then spend the rest I have on Coralie?

[frozen crypt]

you can see the frags needed to unlock them in the valkyrie menu

it will show a number like 0/40

[sweet flax]

im a dumbass let me rewrite this you get enough asterite to buy coralie and ta shards at the same time

[thick bolt]

yeah it's fine

[fallen shale]

oh nvm in that case I can't get TA anyway

I only have enough for 25 and she needs 40

[frozen crypt]

its not like you can't get more asterite xd

can check sairaan's asterite sources from the faq if you scroll up

might help

[fallen shale]

is it worth scarpping resources this early in

[frozen crypt]

I wouldn't no

you shouldn't be scrapping resources until you have hundreds of excess

[fallen shale]

are work points ok to spend on that?

[frozen crypt]

only if you bought out the crystallum, torus and dorm supply cards first

[fallen shale]

ok then no lol

[frozen crypt]

I mean with longer patches it should be ok if you are like 5 frags off or something sure but don't make a habit of it

[fallen shale]

seems like a lot of this stuff just isn't available to me yet

[sweet flax]

most stuff will be unlocked by lvl 50

anything else is either end-game locked (such as proper aw and al sources or pri arm mats) or limited from the start

[fallen shale]

so for the time being would a team of coralie VB > RC > Griseo SI work

idk how to pick who should be leader

[sweet flax]

have you checked this out yet?

[sweet flax]

generally speaking the leader is the dps of the team

[fallen shale]

yes I don't have TA tho so I can't make any of the specific teams on there yet

[sweet flax]

then ye sure use si for the moment, unless you somehow have cn

[frozen crypt]

don't panic about TA too much you'll have her within a week max

[fallen shale]

I don't

[fallen shale]

how do I know who should be the DPS tho

[frozen crypt]

view the boss and/or any stage mechanics to see who has attributes that will be most suitable

[sweet flax]

it wont matter as much in your case since you dont have that many units, for now use coralie as she will have the highest damage output accessible to you, until you get your first p2 s rank ofc

but as lyo said, its case by case dependant

over time you will come to learn the best choices, but giving you this information right now will do nothing but confuse you more

[frozen crypt]

you don't need to be worrying about minmaxing using the best valks and setups this early, remember people who don't use player guides won't have a clue who TA is and use terrible teams and they still clear content fine

[fallen shale]

ok

[sweet flax]

to be fair non-exalted is full of p2 teams with no weapons, so even if they knew who ta is it makes no difference

[frozen crypt]

xd wtf

[sweet flax]

I think I sent screenshots before

ill check

[frozen crypt]

genshin impact and its consequences

[sweet flax]

to be fair its probs star rail influence

[frozen crypt]

both tbh

[sweet flax]

xd

what free equipment in all 3 other hoyo games does to a person

[frozen crypt]

my acheron does fine with (insert free ice cream cone or whatever idk I don't play hsr) so I can use free weapons here too

[sweet flax]

mot off topic smh

[frozen crypt]

smh its a very real beginner help problem!

I feel like I need to make a faq telling people why not to pull astralops too I should probably do that

[fallen shale]

I am just trying to have the easiest time chewing through dailies and manual tho

[sweet flax]

to be fair I dont blame you, gacha players cant read beyond honkai: anyways

easy to confuse both games

[thick bolt]

For dailies you just eventually reach a point that you login for 5 minutes, click the lite button, and logout

[fallen shale]

I suppose I'm still in the "please actually play the game" phase

I mean this team seems to be working out for now

don't really understand how it works but I'm seeing numbers happen

[thick bolt]

numbers good

[fallen shale]

coralie is fun too, her ult is really satisfying to use

[sweet flax]

I guess this is more for the future but, later on when you eventually start to use her as a support with your p2 s rank, her ult is the one part of her kit you never use (dont worry about this now)

[ancient needle]

Erm akshually ulting is not optimal

[fallen shale]

[ancient needle]

(in most cases)

[sweet flax]

short reason why: honkai time bullshit
but in q-manifold that doesnt apply so it makes no difference

hence why you shouldnt worry about it right now

[fallen shale]

I'll just enjoy her ult while I can

but I suppose for P1 story instead of cheating with the trial sena I get to cheat with this coralie I actually own now

"deal at least 2000 dmg within 3s" brings a character that deals 2000 in one hit lol

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-crossed-arms-pikachu-eyes-closed-pokemon-gif-15194868

that's the honkai mindset alright

[fallen shale]

oh also are there any viable versions of bronya

[wanton canopy]

Just slap those with TA

[thick bolt]

closest to viable is HoTr, and she's p1 so oof

[fallen shale]

no P2 versions?

[thick bolt]

not yet

[fallen shale]

besides Sushang the other HSR character I wanted to be stronger was Silver Wolf, so getting to play some version of Bronya in this game would also make me happy

but Sushang is more important to me it's more of a side goal thing

[thick bolt]

HoTr does work with HoFi in the trio team provided you have HoFi's divine key.
Still not worth a backpull

[wanton canopy]

If you want just bronya... You can farm for haxxor bunny in asterite shop
(given you take priority on Coralie or other A rank fron the pins)

[thick bolt]

yeah understandable, I think you'd like haxxor bunny then (can get her in the asterite shop)
HoR from War Treasury (shop unlocks at lvl 38) I've seen is fun to play for people who like Bronya

[sweet flax]

join the queue of p2 bronya copers on the hall to the left

[fallen shale]

ok I'll keep an eye on those (after I get the more important stuff ofc)

[wanton canopy]

Like how i do for fischl

[fallen shale]

much like how "viable sushang" is the thing that got me to start this game, "viable bronya" would've also done it lol

I just really like Sushang and Silver Wolf

[fallen shale]

just unlocked memorial arena

oh that's a whole bunch of unlockable characters what the

should I even be doing this mode rn?

the "valkyrie lock" thing kinda spooks me

[thick bolt]

Basically the valks and gear you use on one stage cannot be used on the other stages

So it's just creating 2 teams to clear the boss for rewards

[fallen shale]

but once I pick those two teams I won't be able to readjust them?

[thick bolt]

Once you finalize a score, the valks are locked to that stage yeah.
the locked screen shows upto 6 to be locked to that stage iirc

before finalizing a score, just quiting or using the training mode to test out teams doesn't lock them

[fallen shale]

I have 10 units rn total

[fallen shale]

so I can use training mode to see if a team will work before I send it?

[thick bolt]

yup

should be easily doable since both arena and abyss have level brackets for difficulty scaling

[fallen shale]

am I allowed to adjust the build post locking?

[thick bolt]

yeah

in the case that you find yourself unable to clear, there's a buffed mode toggle on the team select that caps rewards to a certain point (a small amount you can't get, better than not clearing) but makes it so you can clear with a "bad" team
yeah just go ham

so no worries on that end

[ancient needle]

Do you even have extra rewards before lvl 80?

Aren't they an SSS boss thing

[thick bolt]

Oh ya

[fallen shale]

where's the toggle?

[thick bolt]

in the lineup screen, before you click the start button
I don't think it's a thing for SS boss, not like clear time matters for those all that much apart from ranking and SS bosses are quite squishy

[arctic sparrow]

help

"covenant of finality"

which chapter is this?

[arctic sparrow]

tyy 😭 😭 🙏

[hardy venture]

How to get lots of crystals

[stray raven]

[quick birch]

as a beginner starter manual, story and ER can be a really good crystals source but story can be a bit exhausting. For some more one time crystal sources check crystal sources in the pins

[amber finch]

the fastest way (this is a genuine answer) to get lots of crystal is to have disposable income

[stark geyser]

can you guys help with MA teams? FWS 4/4 Sparkle 3/4 Coralie 4/4 rest 0/4 other than AE BiS weapon from starter book

[peak crow]

Who should I pull for? In the current bunner

[frozen crypt]

!faq pull

[small willow]

Pulling Priority

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the pulling priority for this patch!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[peak crow]

This any good for early game?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, solid

You can run PE TA RC

Or if you somehow have HoS too you can do PE HoS TA

[peak crow]

Uh what are those terms

[frozen crypt]

I lowkey hate that FAQ why is it so huge

[tropic vortex]

is there a list of free divine keys? (excluding bp ofc)

[frozen crypt]

I actually don't think so lol

I do have a list of dkeys tho

#💁gameplay-help message

[ancient needle]

You can probs put "how to search" in a link

Both the visual and the text guides

[frozen crypt]

Non free:
XY-Sword
Star of Eden but the special one for HoR
7T
Brick
Waxing
Flawless

[frozen crypt]

Yea I'll rework it soon I've been hating it for a while

[quick birch]

Free Divine Keys outside of the Battle Pass

RoB

• Jizo Mitama
• Grips of Tai Xuan
• Cleaver of Shamash
• Judgement of Shamash
• Star of eden

Foundry

• Fenghuang Pinions ( needs either Fenghuang Down [ obtainable in BP] or Infinite Intimidator [ currently not obtainable last time updated 8.2] for the +10 atk buff )
• Abyss ( needs Abyss flower from Battlepass for the +10 atk buff)
• Pledge of Sakura

Exchange shop

• Oath of Judah
• Pledge of Sakura

[ancient needle]

How dare you mix PRI and non-PRI versions there smh

[frozen crypt]

Wdym

[tropic vortex]

thanks!

[frozen crypt]

Go on what is it

[ancient needle]

SoE:AE is non-PRI while Incredibly Infinite Intimidator is

[frozen crypt]

Oh what

What even is bricks non pri name

[ancient needle]

Infinite Intimidator

[frozen crypt]

Who would have guessed

Anything else

[ancient needle]

Dayum, you actually care

Uh, lemme see

[frozen crypt]

Yeah otherwise you'll hold it over me for life

[quick birch]

do note that Fenghuang Pinions and Abyss both need another dkey of that category which both are available in the BP

[ancient needle]

"Might of an Utu" 😭

(it's An-Utu)

[ancient needle]

Anyway, I don't see a point in nitpicking further

[frozen crypt]

What the fuck is hoyo cooking

Yeah I don't even think anyone has used that until now because its a link right at the end of the dkey faq

[ancient needle]

What the fuck were you cooking

[velvet rose]

Who would you normally use HoReb with? I've been using HoS and TA but I always felt it was kinda awkward

[frozen crypt]

If HoRb is in dps form thats a good team

If shes in support form its a dogshit team

Or unless HoS is using brick

[velvet rose]

I've been using her in second form so DPS, but it never flowed well for me, not sure how to explain it other than "it didn't vibe for me"

I don't even know where to begin using her as a support

PE maybe

[haughty elbow]

its awkward because hos support is mid

[ancient needle]

The entire fossil community is in shambles rn

[frozen crypt]

HoRb dps itself feels a little bit jank as well imo too much rapid stopping and starting

[ancient needle]

My only complaints are that Impair duration is too tight and that she loves to miss with basics
I understand why they've done the first one tho

[quick birch]

if anyone ever asks for this again I it a bit nicer but tbh its probably easier to just tell them lol

[tropic vortex]

how do i get the blue weapon resonance?

[frozen crypt]

Converting bounty weapons

Or gacha weapons but you are unlikely to have any of those

[quick birch]

you can craft bounty weapons in foundry, 3rd sacred relic being the cheapest by a small margin ( coins ) but if you want you can craft different bounty weapons for collection points

[frozen crypt]

Collection progress more valuable than 10 or whatever for sure

[quick birch]

yeah its like 20-30 Honkai pieces based on what other weapon you want to craft

[velvet rose]

Disregarding my confusion over HoRb, how do you get the "new" weapons for HoF and HoH? They're listed in the Divine Keys menu but I haven't seen them available from any activity though I could've just missed them ( if they're gacha that's fine I just want to know )

[tropic vortex]

i think this is azure empyrea's signature? is this a gacha weapon?

[frozen crypt]

Yes but you want to keep that for now

It actually has some uses

Most people keep it forever tbh

Always has the possibility to be useful in future, its a pretty nice gauntlet

[tropic vortex]

oh and how much does converting 1 bounty weapon give

[quick birch]

i assume with HoF you mean HoFi? both are gacha weapons yes but brick is currently in a weird situation of not getting reruns so who knows when it might be available again through boxes, BP etc Waxing moon though just got a rerun last patch

[quick birch]

1000 weapon resonance

[frozen crypt]

1000 per wep

Regardless of if its bounty or gacha

[dry python]

nitro hard carrying your ass rn

[velvet rose]

Yes I meant Finality and Humanity and if that's the case I guess I just wait and hope. If it recently got a rerun then it probably won't be seen for a while but that's okay.

[quick birch]

omf i read HoH wrong

Her dkey will actually get a rerun this version

[velvet rose]

Ohh gotta save for that then

[tropic vortex]

oh 💔 thanks though!

[velvet rose]

I heard that those two are actually kinda relevant still because of their new weapons. And I'm sorry for the inaccurate Herrscher shortenings, I couldn't remember the exact ones.

[quick birch]

you didnt use a wrong one i just cant read Lmao

wait HoFi was one but thats a common mistake

just remember
HoFi = finality
HoFs = flamescion

[velvet rose]

Fair enough, kinda forget that Flamescion is in the game since Finality has kinda ran the game since it came out

[frozen crypt]

Kinda? Its not like THEY'RE SO BACK and strong they're both pretty niche and HoH currently actually kinda bad lol her only hope is that she has the locked tag so she has the potential to be good with the new ring type but uhhh yeah no guarantees

You wouldn't pull either of those weapons for meta reasons unless you're a whale that needs the permanent atk they provide due to being dkeys

Or a whale vita simp cuz HFI + waxing is necessary for vita to do good dmg

[abstract sequoia]

i wish HoFs was good for ignite, but thats just me talking with 0 ignite valks

[velvet rose]

It's just that I have more hope for getting just one new weapon for a character I've already upgraded than a new character entirely. I'm not one to care about meta much either.

[frozen crypt]

Ah that brings me back to the stupid youtube chat back around hfs beta

"She doesnt even have ignite she's gonna be worse than DA"

[abstract sequoia]

literally has it

or was that added later into beta

[frozen crypt]

Sounds good

[frozen crypt]

HoFs???

[velvet rose]

Besides, it's hard to say no to a reason to keep using my cat girl swimsuit on HoFi

[frozen crypt]

The reason is it looks like shit

[abstract sequoia]

flamescion

[frozen crypt]

Yeah she doesn't have ignite does she?!

[abstract sequoia]

she does

[quick birch]

while they have some uses cases

HoFi currently is a

RoO img DPS

• HoFi is a rather niche dps which requires HoO and HoTr 4/4 which many have ranked at this point so you couldn't compete there.
  Vita Dps support
• Vita DPS is a nice bruteforce but her bosses have become rarer since her shill is over. HoFi is also needed for Vita dps since we currently only have 3 RoO chars (8.2)
  ** HoO DPS support**
• HoO DPS ** NEEDS** HoFI+ waxing moon but is also not frequently used in abyss but does find some use in MA
  WS Support
• She is a good option there but fws can be a substitute that also works really well
  General support because of the Omniscient star tag
  This tag is currently exclusive to RoO and makes them be able to support every AR ring type as a cope option. Valks with the actual Support tag will be better.

So if we are talkin in meta i cant really recommend her Dkey especiall as a f2p

HoHe currently is a

WoD dps

• she needs thelema her which also really isnt worth pursuing, otherwise she has her bosses but even in her dkey release patch those haven't been frequent
  WoD Support
• She's extremly underwhelming in WoD as a support and currently only finds use on fire tank. Otherwise other HSS units will be better.
  LoA support
• shes currently the weakest out of all the options and not really used on it besides one boss (Flux tank)
  ??? support
• we hope for this to be her saving grace otherwise her dkey is kinda underwhelming

[frozen crypt]

The fuck

Where

[velvet rose]

To each their own, I really like the blue sharks

[abstract sequoia]

on basic

[frozen crypt]

Yeah dw I'm just a summer outfit hater

[abstract sequoia]

wait, might be just the sparkle effect and im stupid

[frozen crypt]

Like I haven't touched HFS in about 2 years because I despise her but I'm 99% sure she has no ignite in her kit

[velvet rose]

I don't even care about the actual swimsuit part funnily enough and I agree that some of the summer skins are pretty...not good. Especially HoTr

[calm kernel]

its hofi who has ignite on basic attacks

[velvet rose]

Very comprehensive and I appreciate it

[abstract sequoia]

yeah you're correct, what I saw was 8 stack ignite from qte thanks to sparkle ult. And on ignite meter it was sparkle ult giving ignite periodically over time

[thick bolt]

Just checked, no ignite for HoFs

[abstract sequoia]

sry, brainfart once again

[calm kernel]

this has been noted on your permanent record

[abstract sequoia]

tainted since the beginning when I spread misinfo

[thick bolt]

[abstract sequoia]

okay since i'm here, is sirin really my best option for any p1 fire valks that I can pair up with hotr and tfm

[quick birch]

what if i just reply to every message with some formated mesage with 2 category and 3 subs categorys
im just ass at formating in dc rn lol

[thick bolt]

[calm kernel]

yeah if you dont have fov

[abstract sequoia]

i do not but neither sirin wep

[calm kernel]

what purpose you are assembling this team for

[abstract sequoia]

ignite cope

[calm kernel]

ignite where

[abstract sequoia]

once in a blue moon

rl ofc

[quick birch]

sparkle shill over now ( why qua boss this version ) ignite dead

[abstract sequoia]

nirvana is insta demote

-400

[calm kernel]

idk just play sirin without weapon

[abstract sequoia]

guess ill start unlocking her

need to anyways

[slim blaze]

i see

[tropic vortex]

is paladin bp actually worth it compared to knight?

[ancient needle]

On Ignite cope you're probs just better off bruteforcing

[ancient needle]

Especially if it's HoV (HoFi has smol Ignite application)

Oh, you have Sparkle

Yeah, that should be enough

[abstract sequoia]

i have the supports, I just lack a proper dps

hotr is even SS

[ancient needle]

Just bruteforce with a P2 team lah

[abstract sequoia]

aw

[long snow]

how long does it take to get the returnee thing

like how many weeks do i have to not log in for the returnee thing

[nimble nova]

why is coralies own stigmata set not even on her recommended? lol

[ancient needle]

14 days for the first time, 60 afterwards
You need 60 regardless for the returnee banner (it's garbo)

Actually idk whether the first time was changed, the second+ was bumped up this patch from 45

[long snow]

oh okay i was surprised cus i had to take a break from my pc so i couldnt play hi3rd but it wasnt that long so i got really confused after logging in and seeing it haha

[ancient needle]

I haven't seen anything about the first time, so I assume it's unchanged

[abstract sequoia]

what do you mean?

im pretty sure it matches, although that usually becomes very dated with ingame recommendations

[thick bolt]

Her stigmata set is Tsiolkovsky, not the Coralie: whatever stigmata (those are for senadina)

[nimble nova]

oh okay i thought it was the coralie one lol

nvm then thanks for clarifying

[lyric anvil]

Not every Valk has their signature stigmata set named after them

[arctic sparrow]

Azure right?

[arctic sparrow]

ty again

[abstract sequoia]

Need her divine key to work with Vita. Do you have that?

I mean Flawless Benediction

[dapper dock]

Any other way to farm/trade/buy that?

[naive pivot]

then put a in there

[frozen crypt]

New faq in case anyone needs to forward it anytime soon

!faq gachaop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

From a meta standpoint, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frozen crypt]

No, RoB is the only source

There used to be smth where you could trade 1 AEI for 8 Spirit Jades but I think its gone and it's not worth it anyway

[frozen crypt]

Fixed faq abb as well so it no longer looks like shit

!faq abb

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frozen crypt]

O fuck me now I need to update the pin wall

I'll do it laterrrr

[arctic sparrow]

How to get exp fast??

[naive pivot]

📖

[peak crow]

Is Herrscher of Void better than PE? ( Palatinus equinox)

[naive pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992286931822059612/1359733898262872154/0mxmxm1d5wte1.gif

[spiral badge]

no but even if PE is better, that doesn't mean she is worth picking up and investing deeply into.

Both are greatly out of date for the meta at this point. Meta is important for your crystal income from abyss.

PE also isn't farmable either. Did you get her from dorm with dorm tickets (Never spend crystals on dorm)

[peak crow]

I accidentally got her, she's doing pretty good in story

[spiral badge]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

story isn't really demanding and after a certain point you won't really use your own valks anymore (the game will give you trials)

but anyway for early game purposes, you can refer to the faq above

be sure to check out pins for all sorts of other general information

the main objective for now is to gain crystals to afford a newly released gacha valk with her weapon. Signature weapons are quite important in this game for personal damage and also functionality in some cases.

[peak crow]

Alright how do I get their weapons? Usually there's a weapon banner alongside a character one

[spiral badge]

yeah both the new valk and their respective signature weapon are gacha only and run at the same time

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

generally the safer amount i tell players to gain before rolling is 40k crystals

but if you want to chance at the valk early then you can roll on valk banner while staying above 17k. Keeping 17k on hand ensures you have enough to guarantee weapon after getting valk early.

The worst thing you can probably do in this game metawise is to constantly roll and wind up with incomplete gacha valks.

Keep in mind pity carries over on valk and weapon banners separately so if you fail to get lucky, you'll just let the pity carry over to the next new release of your interest.

[oak sail]

Hi, how do I complete the quest roving with seele and bronya once?

[spiral badge]

make sure to have selected seele and bronya on your next roving (make sure their icons have the orange background before starting the rove)

do you have bronya yet? She seems to be from grasslands

If you've already done this and still didn't complete it then maybe the game is more checking for a certain event/interaction before allowing you to proceed. I can only say to try again or to contact CS

[cursive owl]

which valkyries have this quality thing?

[spiral badge]

probably not a complete list https://i.imgur.com/FuGfhzm.png

AE Aponia Coralie and TA also gives some, although the base A rank valks (from asterite shop) can't reach as high as the base S rank valks (from war treasury)

[spiral badge]

@oak sail just to make sure you don't miss this

[mental valley]

Y'all where to get more of these stigmatas except for forging.. ik u get it in one of the chapters but I forgot which chapter

[oak sail]

I'll try this, thanks for the advice

[snow ledge]

HoHe's new stigs hasn't rerun yet right?

[dry python]

no

but also like

just craft them

unless you don't have the dkey either

[amber finch]

^the stigs are useless without the dkey

[shadow tendon]

is 7t worth to get by converting the perm balls?

i was planning on getting sena + weap but if i convert id only be able to get sena no weap

[dry python]

well

hm

[shadow tendon]

[dry python]

7t isn't in like the permanent p1 gear shop is it

[shadow tendon]

nope

how useless is sena w/o weap

acc is she alr outdated anyways

either way i do wanna get sena

[naive pivot]

works for support, which is all she's really used for these anyway

[shadow tendon]

yippee guilt free convert

wait so we can get new valk with weap thru bp every 3 patches right

if knight

but we also have 3 options

[snow ledge]

not yet oof

[sweet flax]

Essentially there is gonna be a new option each patch (||next patch is luna for example||) and they last 3 patches each iirc, tbh if it's for personal reasons I won't bother but you are aware that valks in the bp are often terrible atm right?

At least from the competitive pov

[peak crow]

What does these do exactly?

[sweet flax]

You should keep in mind she can only support ws and wod and it's been a good while since any valk of those 2 rings have been released their weathers will die down (ignoring the fact better support options for those 2 rings exists)

[sweet flax]

Increases the reward you get per mirage floor (fuel and crystals)

You can use them to farm ether fuel at a more efficient rate which is the preferred way to use them

[rotund roost]

can I buy this?

or is it not worth it?

Cause its the only thing I need for sirins stigs

[sweet flax]

Do you have sirin's weapon first and foremost

And you are aware sirin is basically never used nowadays due to a lack of consistent ignite weather

[rotund roost]

Yes and yes

[sweet flax]

Teammates wise who do you have for her

Hotr and sparkle?

Do you have any plans to unlock stigmata from the exchange shop

[rotund roost]

I dont have them both

[sweet flax]

[rotund roost]

tbh I dont even know what the exchange shop's point since its just old stigs no?

[sweet flax]

Old stigs can have use in certain ma strats

Hence why I asked if you have any plans for them

Anyways I'd hold off on crafting her stigs since you don't have any use for her, probably better to wait and see if another opportunity turns up later

[rotund roost]

Does having a high score in ma score give more crystals?

[sweet flax]

No, you only need to clear sss bosses to a specific score to get them

But stuff like ma emblem and some wt mats are locked behind higher rankings which is always nice to get if possible

[lyric anvil]

Abyss is where most your income is from I believe

[sweet flax]

That is corrext

Which is why most account advice will be related to improving your abyss performance

#📿gacha-salt🧂

[peak crow]

Oops mb

[sweet flax]

Im surprised you'd pull when no crystals

[peak crow]

I did pull when I had enough for a ten pull I thought eh why not

[sweet flax]

Well good luck with weapon then, unless you plan on skipping that

[peak crow]

Is it required?

[sweet flax]

Generally speaking yes

Major dps loss and essential components of a character's kit is locked behind their weapon

Which is why the recommendation is to only pull if you can garuntee chara + weapon assuming you care about abyss performance (more crystals)

Otherwise no biggie if you're less inclined on the competitive aspect

[peak crow]

I don't really play comp I play to pass time and just have fun tbh

[sweet flax]

Then no worries, I just ask because advise should be targeted towards improving the account

In the case that you're casual just be wary of that going forward when asking for help in this channel

[lapis mason]

is rhe manga broken or is it my pc

[naive pivot]

why can't it be both

[lapis mason]

it cant

[naive pivot]

[abstract sequoia]

what browser are you using, also which extensions?

some content hiding mechanisms can cause such broken websites if done poorly

[peak crow]

What should I choose?

[frozen crypt]

Keep the box

[quick birch]

unless you are pulling PS+her weapon keep it until you need prisms

and even if you are pulling keep it unless you are only missing 1 stigmata

and already have the weapon

[peak crow]

I have her at SS2 I think? I forgot, I don't have any stigmatas and I'm tryna pull for her weapon

Should I still keep it?

[abstract sequoia]

keep it until you have one stigma left that you didnt get yet

[quick birch]

you will probably get the stigmatas while pulling the weapon, weapons are basically mandatory here

[peak crow]

Alr thanks chat

[tall flax]

Hi, how's the new valk?

[runic canopy]

check pinned message.

[amber finch]

hi ron

she’s whatever, just your typical p2 valk with a locked ar, is very good in her niches which are hitcount and bleed

now for some theory crafting

|| if 8.3 has the locked ar|| then sushi will prob be bis if we look at how spork is for dudu but those are just purely assumptions

[slim blaze]

Counterpoint. Its bleed what are you gonna do about it

[amber finch]

ughg urghh its hoyo they can just bullshit their way into making it work

[tall flax]

Luna and Sushang have opposite elements but they both do bleed

[quick birch]

Bleed is only a sub DMG type think of it like meele or ranged, can be lightning or physical as of now

[gloomy acorn]

Random bleed shield on the boss

[amber finch]

||lightning|| weather but the boss has a bleed transition phase

hc shields everywhere

that should fix it

[gloomy acorn]

Cheese you want returnee code

[tall flax]

ngl i probably wouldnt be able to make use of the locked ar since i dont plan to get anyone for a while

[amber finch]

17031105VD

[gloomy acorn]

Bet

[amber finch]

thenk

[fallen shale]

what's an expedition?

[sweet flax]

Separate stages that rewards specific materials or valkyrie fragments on completion (as well as crystals for first time clear missions)

[fallen shale]

where do I access it?

I got it as a sensei collab task but hitting go just takes me to the main menu

[sweet flax]

Attack > Material Expidition > Expiditions iirc

[fallen shale]

I would ask said sensei but they're offline lol

[sweet flax]

Correct me if I'm wrong but sensei rewards require dorm expeditions ye?

So you'd have to clear the expedition first, go to your dorm expeditions and then auto clear it there for the sensei mission

[fallen shale]

I'm not sure what you mean

[sweet flax]

Go here and clear the expidtion stage

After that in your dorm, auto clear the expeditions you manually finished, I'll send a screenshot in a second

[quick birch]

You have to 3 start it specifically to unlock auto expeditions

After that do it through dorm like you've been told before

[fallen shale]

ok I see

[sweet flax]

So complete the expidition yourself with 3 stars, then in your dorm, auto clear them to complete the mission

Doesn't matter which ones but if you need any specific resource rn it's better to do those

[fallen shale]

I imagine the fragments it drops aren't terribly valuable?

[sweet flax]

Not really, it helps speed up dorm levels progression very slightly otherwise I'm just taking her to sss so I can convert excess shards into witch orbs

[ancient needle]

Yes, but they're still indirectly useful (Dorm EXP and Witch Orbs)

It's better to prioritize frags over mats

[fallen shale]

what are either of those things

[ancient needle]

The mats return is fucking terrible

[fallen shale]

oh I just got a divine key

free weapon?

[ancient needle]

You can check your Dorm EXP in the Dorm menu (it dictates your Errands quality and provides passive acc-wide buffs to valks)

[sweet flax]

Dorm levels are based on your valk collection (valk ownership and ranks, the more you have the higher your dorm levels which increases your stats)

[ancient needle]

Witch Orbs are a currency you get when you salvage frags of a B or an A-rank valk that alr is at SSS, they give you access to an extra shop

[sweet flax]

Witch orbs are used in the witch's corridor, depending on the valk/elf frags you have excess of you get specific witch orbs which unlock specific shops

[ancient needle]

The shop isn't super valuable, but it is a nice source of NCCs for endgame players

[sweet flax]

^ ncc is literally the only good thing there imo

[ancient needle]

There also are Pure Witch Orbs, they require S-rank frags
That shop's value is very acc-dependent cuz the main thing it contains is stamps for older valks (like HoO and HoHE)

[sweet flax]

Ye but you need a shit ton of frags to unlock those

Very unrealistic for newer players

[ancient needle]

Anyway, it's nothing to rush, you'll benefit from it only in the endgame

And ye, both will take a long while (which is absolutely fine)

[sweet flax]

I wonder if I should gamble my ncc on better ps affixes

[ancient needle]

Well, regular Witch Orbs aren't as long ig

[sweet flax]

[ancient needle]

Are you even in Nirv

[sweet flax]

Promoting this weather yes

[fallen shale]

what should I pick with the divine key?

[ancient needle]

Check "Divine Keys Explained" in the pins

[fallen shale]

ok thanks

finally, lvl 40

why did they direct me to the events tab, did I just unlock something

oh shit I just got a coralie from the gacha, that's good right?

[quick birch]

Saves you a bit of asterite and time not really significant still the best A rank you can get from there

[ancient needle]

I mean, it's nice but it's nothing valuable either, Coralie is obtainable for free from P2 story and her frags are farmable

[fallen shale]

also I just unlocked the weapon option

[ancient needle]

Keep the box for now, I don't think we reached a conclusion on what to pick there yet

Though if you insist on picking rn it's probs best to go for Purana

[ancient needle]

(the box was changed this patch)

[quick birch]

Whole nation of beginner help assembled yesterday and we still aren't completely sure but we are talking about very accounts specific scenarios, since for abyss you probably won't use either once you get 2 p2 s ranks

[ancient needle]

Depends on whether you have SW and/or HoHE as well

[fallen shale]

lmao

I guess it'll be a surprise tool that'll help me later

so I'm now 40 pulls away from the Sushang

[ancient needle]

You're in the average territory for now iirc, keep going

[fallen shale]

well 40 from the unit, then there's still another 55 for the weapon

[ancient needle]

Yeah, ofc

[fallen shale]

(I got 5 tickets that's why it's 55 and not 60 lol)

[quick birch]

Completely doable in 6 weeks as a beginner

You have a lot of crystal sources

Just give crystals sources in the pins a look if you feel a bit lost where you can get some but you've probably been directed there at this point

[void mural]

So guys a returnee here (wasn't away all that long. Just quite a bit last version). Anyways

1. Got Sus hang 4/4 in Lucky streak so now I wonder what team to use. I have basically all P2 valk outside of Loli Dudu. Sleepy terry and Lantern. I got new weapon for Elysia and Kiana.

2. in BP. What is Reserve work and how long does it last? Should I invest everything in Elysia?

[quick birch]

1. It kinda depends on the boss but for now ps+vita+fws/sparkle have been the best picks.

2. Reserve work is a permanent shop to get old Chars weapons and stigmatas the main thing you should be prioritizing there are old dkeys that you are missing

Be aware that some Dkeys may require a craftable counterpart to activate that +10atk buff

[storm lantern]

you can wait until you have enough balls for a dkey to decide if you want elysia but meta wise its really not a good idea, she's already close to irrelevant and buy the time you can actually buy her it will probably be worse

[void mural]

[fallen shale]

will I be able to change my code name in the open world later?

[thick bolt]

Is this for APHO? Yes you can change it from the apho ui before entering

there's an edit button on the bottom left

[quick birch]

There are some other ways to get Elysia ranks for example through supply shop/ witches corridor with pure witches orbs although those examples are extremely account specific and it might not be worth pursuing that from a meta perspective although if it is for personal reasons you can consider it ofc

[fallen shale]

I wanna ask a question but I fear it may be story related

but I also am scared of entering #📚honkai-lore cause of spoilers

[void mural]

I see. Thanks. I just lask 23 frag to brings her to SS ranks. So I kinda wanted to explore that.
But yeah I am close to being able to buy 10 from stardust shard

So I guess I can wait and save the BP stuff

[mortal carbon]

There's not any spoilers atm in the last handful of messages, so you can ask and just specify that you don't want spoilers and then leave once you get your answer

[thick bolt]

good to mention the chapter you are at as well, to be even more sure

[fallen shale]

ok I'm going in

[void mural]

While new units be added to reserve? Also what about War Treasury? I have like 940 ancient legacy. Is it worth still saving?

[ancient needle]

1. Probably eventually™️, we don't know when
2. It's fairly obvious that there won't be any brand new WT valks, only old ones moved to WT, so not really

For the second one it depends on whether you need to farm someone's ranks (like for Dorm Errands) and on whether you need Pure Witch Orbs for HoHE/HoO stamps

[void mural]

Thanks man

[gloomy acorn]

Does MA lamp need bleed

[dapper dock]

Any of these is for divine keys?

[ancient needle]

No

[abstract sequoia]

define need

just clearing or best case

[gloomy acorn]

Just played only need hc

[abstract sequoia]

yea hc

[gloomy acorn]

Clearing

[abstract sequoia]

vita can work

[quick birch]

ive also seen some shit with LV if you happen to have her

[fallen shale]

just got the valkyrie option egg

finally unlocked terminal aide!!!

the crystal guide says I can get crystals out of the open world gacha, how does that work?

[frozen crypt]

Because APHO open world gacha uses APHO materials to pull on it that can't be used for anything else

And part of the rewards in there are crystals

[fallen shale]

so I can basically pull for crystals?

[frozen crypt]

Yeah lol its kinda backwards

They just decided to do the rewards as a gacha I guess instead of having them normal claimable

Once you get all the rewards you can't pull on it anymore

[fallen shale]

do I need to do them in order or if I play through more of APHO can I unlock the other phases

cause they look more valuable than phase 1

[frozen crypt]

The phases uhhh not sure its been a long time since I did it but iirc you have to finish phase 1 to pull phase 2, if I'm wrong someone can correct me

[fallen shale]

also how far in is "Acts of Mei 1" for the growth regimen

I basically appear to have hit the page of the growth regimen where they really want me to play APHO lol

[abstract sequoia]

you're correct

[fallen shale]

ok so no point saving the keys then I suppose

[abstract sequoia]

yea you use them for nothing else

[fallen shale]

hell yeah, coins!!!

[abstract sequoia]

that mats are the big fish pulls really

that being said, remember to do your Ruins run up to the point you can clear

[fallen shale]

my what?

[abstract sequoia]

its a mob stage rush basically, accessible on the main APHO menu on the right side

if its not there yet, play the story a bit more to unlock it. you get the majority of your keys from there

[fallen shale]

the apho story right?

[abstract sequoia]

yea

[fallen shale]

apho kinda feels like a standalone game it's so strange

[abstract sequoia]

no need to worry about spoilers, even when it came out it is a contextless timeskip many years into the future

[abstract sequoia]

Yeah pretty much what they were going for. It pioneered the more open worldish main story chapters later

[fallen shale]

it's really channeling DMC

is it ok to spend vacation tickets

[stray raven]

Yes

[abstract sequoia]

you have a net positive of them if you play actively, so yes

can skip them from Elysian Realm shop btw

or anywhere for currency really

I still wouldnt recommend to use them on Material Dailies, unless you already played and finished all of them on this weekday with the 3 objectives

unless you have no time that day

reason is that it only LITEs the highest lvl requirement task you've already done manually and objective crystals

[fallen shale]

so are all of the stigmatas in the training shop able to be lvl 40?

[abstract sequoia]

yea, but I wouldn't advice to level darwin

its a trash set even back then

[fallen shale]

I've only done marco polo so far (cause it's the only one I've been able to obtain)

but I need 3 more to lvl 40 in for the growth regimen

[abstract sequoia]

oh thats the most useful one

your best cope for physical stuff

especially TM

[abstract sequoia]

got any part 2 valks?

[fallen shale]

just coralie

[abstract sequoia]

hm okay

get fu hua musician MB and theresa: gluttony T

those are beginner support gear and work pretty okay

All available in foundry for SI Imaginon

although fu hua musician is in beginner shop

so just get gluttony from foundry for now

[fallen shale]

how can I filter to them in the foundry?

[abstract sequoia]

filter is Basic Stigmata

just dont use any DPS or Support filters, those are inconsistent

[lapis mason]

chrome and no extensions

[abstract sequoia]

how about page zoom?

[lapis mason]

100%

[abstract sequoia]

and clicking the menu does nothing?

[lapis mason]

i just wanna read hi3 manga

[abstract sequoia]

ik, it usually works fine for me

[lapis mason]

menu?

[lapis mason]

probably just my pc than

[abstract sequoia]

just click the button that says "Click to show menu, Click again to hide"

[lapis mason]

[abstract sequoia]

okay which manga, I need to see this myself

[lapis mason]

azure waters

[abstract sequoia]

okay here https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/honkai-impact-3rd-en/azure-waters-chapter-00/viewer?title_no=291753&episode_no=1

this is the version hoyostans recommends

[lapis mason]

thank you so much !!

[abstract sequoia]

you're welcome really

[thick bolt]

What missing pages?

[abstract sequoia]

actually, here is the mangadex version. I noticed Webtoons is apprently account gated now
https://mangadex.org/chapter/5cb53894-6714-489d-8ed3-f80833172ba4

[lapis mason]

really? i dont seem to have any problems but thanks still

[abstract sequoia]

On android chrome i had to make an account, I guess its just on phone

keep using webtoons then if you got no issues

[abstract sequoia]

I'm not sure actually

I only noticed that Gratitude Arc had that kind of issue

but more for originally being ggz lore

[lilac reef]

anybody know why I can't move my camera around freely while attacking when using a controller? If I switch to kbm, I can look around anywhere as I attack

[frozen crypt]

maybe check your settings? I use an xbox one controller and I can use left stick to move the camera and I think thats default

if its not settings related ask #🔌technical-help they will have a better idea

[lilac reef]

Yea I'm on free aim or whatever the setting is called

[frozen crypt]

mm that wouldn't necessarily affect your camera rotation that normally determines how enemies are targetted