👶beginner-help

[spiral badge]

yeah first of all yearly beast=enemy
yearly chibi = your own

[lime talon]

none of these are beast?

[odd plume]

you get the item for that lineup from the start

[odd plume]

see the thumb up?

[lime talon]

aint no way im winning in 6 rounds

[spiral badge]

"yearly __" anything is just a general term for the units on board. It's not talking about an actual beast

[spiral badge]

you're not expected to. or at least i don't

[sweet flax]

these are your yearly chibis, unfortunately only herrscher of the void, honkai's beasts and Honkai's Massive Mouth are a part of the "Honkai Disaster" category which is what that stage relies on

[lime talon]

the pic just depicted who just went into battle

none of these have over 1k hp so no boost was applied..

[sweet flax]

you want units with this tag

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/Ve3oBGB.png

[odd plume]

i mean you just focus on those chibi, already told you beast are the enemy, why you keep talking about your chibi

[spiral badge]

anyway the actual honkai group is within that tag. The build page is just meant to be an overall group that will well emphasize that set/synergize well with each other

[lime talon]

idk, im saying im choosing the wrong chibi cuz I cant hit a 16k enemes and win with 1k hp

[sweet flax]

hp doesnt matter

[lime talon]

none of those guys getting 2025% hp

[sweet flax]

brother you need to reach max stacks of honkai energy to get the hp bonus

[spiral badge]

we already explained it

[sweet flax]

you cant reach it if you dont have 7 honkai disaster units

[lime talon]

ok ill try

[sweet flax]

then you need the second condiition of reaching round 8

[spiral badge]

wait hang on, i thought yearly beast are enemies only

that hp modifier is not player side at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDi09St2XUs

[sweet flax]

was it for yearly beasts?

[spiral badge]

anyway you can see an example clear here

yeah

[odd plume]

because you did it wrong, you have 9 slot but only 5 slot are from the correct lineup

[spiral badge]

you can see their hp never increases to that great of an amount https://i.imgur.com/S1SKJa7.png

anyway the supposed hp bonus isn't what's needed to clear this

[odd plume]

try to not waste your coin, smart investment is the key

[odd plume]

i see you keep buying wrong chibi there, A rank spider and B1 bronya

[spiral badge]

make sure to look for these https://i.imgur.com/WOvjR2u.png

and especially units with this https://i.imgur.com/aQwQoF6.png

[odd plume]

can fill your slot with random chibi then sell them when you see correct one, dont invest more into those random chibi

[spiral badge]

yeah valks sell for equal coin value from when you buy them. it's only a net loss in coins when you get dupes to upgrade them

[haughty elbow]

dont u get the coins back even on upgraded ones

[sweet flax]

or take advantage of the fact that you can hyper save till round 6

[lime talon]

had the 7 :(

wait wtf i think my dmg went up instead of hp

[spiral badge]

i thought there was a minus 1 in some fashion

maybe it's dupes on the way to the upgrade

[haughty elbow]

i dont remember losing coins

[sweet flax]

they are sold for full price ye

[odd plume]

more chibi of the lineup = more dmg + dmg reduction

[spiral badge]

hm yeah seems i'm mistakened? or at least i'm testing on some gray bronya

what the heck i could've sworn this was a thing

[haughty elbow]

wrong event

[left vale]

I'd like to ask-- from the ||beginner changes||, what do you guys think beginners will be recommended to go for? ||I was thinking purana|| but I want to hear you guys' thoughts

[haughty elbow]

why ask here
but yes its that

[sweet flax]

yes you would be right

[left vale]

free will

[sweet flax]

to be fair.... its beginner help (but ye you could've asked in cn as well)

[green sail]

Huh...||what changes???||

[left vale]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[sweet flax]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[odd plume]

wont matter much

[sweet flax]

just more convenience ye

either way just like with jk, beginners will replace her eventually

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/SSIcsad.png
https://i.imgur.com/NZGFzsc.png

shouldn't it sell for 6

the kiana

@haughty elbow

[odd plume]

ego can be a decent choice if they buy HoH i would say, not like beginner will get her new wp in any time soon

[haughty elbow]

[sweet flax]

oh shit it is -1

but on rank ups only?

[spiral badge]

yeah

[lime talon]

i only see 7

[spiral badge]

although buying dupes is kinda pointless too if you're not gunning for an upgrade

[sweet flax]

[left vale]

how long does make-a-wish fest take? i want to start it but i fear it will kill me in terms of burnout if its too drawn out

i just want 23/23 affix and maybe cora outfit
ofc max crystal and prism too but thats passive i feel

[sweet flax]

like 1 hour max if you are effecient

[left vale]

per day?

[odd plume]

not sure what you mean, just focus on recommended chibi and done

[sweet flax]

no like 1 hour in general, not including public matches because matchmaking on that will take a decade atp

[left vale]

only???

well dang

[lime talon]

idk how to pass, ill watch a vid later but for some reason, theres like purple lasers bombing the enemy midway and doing like 88k dmg

[spiral badge]

it's pretty long. Within single player you can skip most combat quickly but it's still alot of menuing. If you want to cap out the emblem expect a few hours. A pvp match can take roughly 15 minutes?

[haughty elbow]

are we talking about the same event here

[left vale]

lol atp they just fill you with bots

[haughty elbow]

the event where every battle takes longer than 30 abyss runs

[left vale]

i did 7.9 event at the last minute and they tried to make it seem like real people were queueing but it was very obviously bots

[sweet flax]

it doesnt take more than 5-10 minutes each no?

I just did a run on zenith stage 5

[haughty elbow]

no it takes more

[odd plume]

i mean you do get real player there but may not be enough for a team so they add more bot

[left vale]

i got 2 real players and the others were player + random string of numbers

[spiral badge]

i feel some of the real players can get masked by the bot names too

[mortal carbon]

were you by any chance not clicking the end now button and letting each round run its course? because if you click that when it lets you it does make it i'd say at least 20-25% as long but if you use that each round is roughly 20-30 seconds long iirc, and then theres deciding what to buy which depending can take some time

[mortal carbon]

oh thats the default player name, just means they havent set a nickname yet in their profile page

[left vale]

it was kinda obvious when i got LuminaJDR and then right after i got player12345678910us3
(not real name but)

[spiral badge]

there's also story cutscenes to account for too

[spiral badge]

yeah those are obvious but i'm saying there can be a bot name with a seemingly real player behavior (emoting, using cards to finish off weaker players, building competently)

ofc maybe i've just been gullible

[left vale]

hi3 so dead they need bots to play event

[spiral badge]

well anyway that's not important to the actual concern of time to spend

[mortal carbon]

yeah i'd agree with Sairaan to slot a few hours, give or take how much you skip/how fast you do the combat

[spiral badge]

i think it's better of them to include bots rather than having an event become dysfunctional in the middle of the patch

[left vale]

to get 23/23 box and cora outfit?

[spiral badge]

idr the requirement details of those rewards

but if you're skipping everything and know how to play the mode it prob won't take too long

[left vale]

ill probably still end up doing it at like 4PM on the last day

[spiral badge]

well if you ever find free time i can only recommend to do it sooner than later but yeah figure out what works best for you

and be ready to prioritize

[sweet flax]

[left vale]

if an abyss run takes 12 seconds

[spiral badge]

for a single player fight and if you know what you're doing it's not going to take long

[sweet flax]

then let's go with 3 hours for story stages + cutscenes

accounting for player skill

[spiral badge]

yeah i think that's fair

[sweet flax]

matchmaking is not a possibility at this point

actually let me see how long it takes to find a game

[spiral badge]

there's still 21 days left and there will be bots

[left vale]

it's just going to give you bots

[spiral badge]

it's prob fine

[sweet flax]

oh its 7 seconds

ye its fine, but 200 per daily reset

cora skin would be impossible assuming 0 progress done so far

since you wouldnt accumulate enough of the event currency to unlock it

[spiral badge]

for their goals of cora outfit and affix box they prob won't need to cap out on the daily there

but yeah you do need some of the daily pvp for the middle of the main event menu

otherwise for the emblem you can get that done in a day but it'll take hours

[sweet flax]

just abuse the recommended team with lv and the cow (sell the cow later for another 5 cost) for pvp

[left vale]

idc about emblem and all that just the affix and outfit

[spiral badge]

well there you go then

[silent stirrup]

I'm so CONFUSED

I think I'm stuck in a Part 2 event mission and idk what happened

I'm just trying to do the stuff so I can get Coralie's hammer...

I know for a fact I never finished the earlier chapters of Part 2, since they aren't even showing here!

Idk what's going on...

[sweet flax]

coralie's hammer is one of the first 2 rewards you get, did you not already get it if you completed that much of p2? check your rewards tab

otherwise, you accidentally entered chapter 5-7, in which case go back to the previous chapters

[silent stirrup]

I only have the basic hammer, Executioner. I haven't completed any of the earlier Part 2 quests and I can't find access to Chpater 1.

[sweet flax]

you most likely entered Bouquets of Unfulfilled Wishes by accident

[silent stirrup]

This is where I should be going, right? But it's only giving me the missions for the Shus Wars story event

[sweet flax]

no this is not chapters 1-3

press f4 > f10

then select this chapter line

[silent stirrup]

Omg

I feel stupid
Thanks

[sweet flax]

no need to complete much, you will unlock the weapon + coralie relatively early

(unless you plan on continuing p2 story)

[silent stirrup]

I only wanna get Coralie's hammer for endgame content, then I'm gonna finish the Part 1 story eventually, I'm barely a quarter through

[sweet flax]

it picks up relatively quick (since you get access to stronger units who dont need 200 hits to kill an enemy😭)

[maiden garden]

idk why but i keep dying here

[sweet flax]

(skill issue) which stage is this?

[maiden garden]

one sec

13-10

i assume i just gotta keep going until its done

[spiral badge]

no don't spend crystals

[maiden garden]

well yea stamina

as in repeat stage

[spiral badge]

oh ok

[frozen crypt]

Death webs can be annoying when they spam lol

[odd plume]

you didn't upgrade your valk

[frozen crypt]

If you didn't clear the stamina shouldn't get consumed no?

[sweet flax]

trial valk...

[maiden garden]

oh yea lol my bad

[odd plume]

you can still upgrade them

[spiral badge]

idr what 13 is like exactly but that's around the point where you need to get stuff within that chapter to upgrade the trials in it

[maiden garden]

its a story thing in the story you can upgrade valks starts at ch11

[spiral badge]

so if you need to repeat stages to get more of those upgrades then that's fair

[sweet flax]

oh was it like that as well in 13?

[odd plume]

upgrade, pick AKA and her gear, easy

[maiden garden]

yep i had forgot that i was supposed to do that thats why im dying

[mortal carbon]

mhmm, 11-14 iirc had that mechanic of the pseudo gacha and/or upgrade system

[sweet flax]

fair enough then

though that stage should be clearable even with umbral rose

[mortal carbon]

it can, though death webs are hard for them since when they're raging they dont get interrupts, so while i havent done it in ages, i remember doing it with umbral rose and i seem to remember having to avoid them entirely for some of their attack sequences and as often as I could use their full bar hold attack to steal some hp back

[sweet flax]

ic

[maiden garden]

yep that was farrr easier

[silent stirrup]

Hammer obtained!

[frozen crypt]

[maiden garden]

like i can assume that people could in thoery pass the entire chapter without upgrading tho im def not at that skill level to even try that

[sweet flax]

Assuming dkey and dorm lvl stats are counted for trial valks then ye (for a more favorable time)

But why bother, you can just upgrade and make it easier

Otherwise you'd be spending so much time on stages

[maiden garden]

yea only reason not to is for challenge runners

[sweet flax]

Even if they exist they'd definitely take the 10 seconds it needs to upgrade instead of another 30 seconds on a stage

[ancient needle]

They aren't

[sweet flax]

Then even more reason to upgrade

[dapper axle]

Which one of these is good for NY Kiana

The one that’s leaving soon

I need one so I can lvl it up to lvl 40

[maiden garden]

i assume this isnt supposed to happen?

[haughty elbow]

all 3 are

[dapper axle]

Oh…

Hmm which one to choose x_x

Oh I also realized I have this…I won’t be able to choose .-.
Since many of them are cute ;-;

[dapper axle]

I guess I will pick the little Kiana one

[haughty elbow]

do u have her weapon

[dapper axle]

No…
I want to get it on her rerun

Her weapon is really important right?

[haughty elbow]

every chars weapon is important

[dapper axle]

;-;

Hopefully weapon pity carries on to the next versions
That’s if there is a pity system at all

[neat crow]

is there a good f2p team for wishing star kiana? rn im using her with valkyrie blastmetal and starry impression

i also have azure with her sig weapon

[haughty elbow]

just replace si with ae

its not "good" but it is the best u can do

[neat crow]

alright, do we know which characters are gonna be on the banner next? iirc kiana's should be going away in a couple days

[haughty elbow]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[neat crow]

ty

[naive pivot]

why AE of all things

[royal forge]

dumb question but how does one access the asterite store </3

[odd plume]

go to supply, shop, basic shop

[dapper axle]

Should I keep this for later?

I feel like it’s not time to use it yet

[runic canopy]

Keep it for later is more wise, yes

[sturdy moon]

Who would you guys say is the best BIO character?

[odd plume]

need more context

very rare to see any bio valk in abyss nowadays

[sturdy moon]

I have the S-rank battlesuit option 2025 and I lack any good bio characters, so I was wondering who would technically be the strongest

[odd plume]

seem like you dont really know how the endgame/meta work in this game
but the best option is just save the box for when you reach the endgame, there are better choice than a valk

all of the vall there are either bad, outdated or unrealistic to build good team around, even if you can, they are very niche

[sturdy moon]

I just started playing relatively recently and i am not the best with learning game information

[boreal prism]

Are any of these worth getting?

[sturdy moon]

Thank you! By endgame do you mean story-wise?

[odd plume]

basically if you plan to play for longer, keep the box
if not, just pick one you feel like, they dont really matter

[odd plume]

gameplay wise

[odd plume]

not worth unless you whale

[boreal prism]

And im assuming non of them are worth whaljng for over new characters?

[odd plume]

focus in debut valk first if you have nothing

[sturdy moon]

Alright! Thank you again :>

[runic canopy]

not worth purchasing if you're not overly simping someone there. EDIT: all of them have fallen out of meta at some level and you need extra investments just to keep them relevant

[boreal prism]

Elysia got me into the game but im already getting her from the level rush; would an extra copy count as necessary extra investment to keep her relevant? 😭

[odd plume]

you need more than that, also she is kinda not that relevant with full investment already

[boreal prism]

Btw are the fiery yearning battlesuit bundle only usuable for that one banner?

[odd plume]

no idea what it is, not familiar with paid stuffs

[boreal prism]

Will the pity on this banner carry over?

[runic canopy]

yes.

[mortal carbon]

Yes the pity for that banner will carry over if you dont get them

[boreal prism]

Is she worth trying to get as a newbie?

[runic canopy]

you can try, but highly recommended getting her weap concurrently

[sweet flax]

at this point not advisable to pull for since its impossible to garuntee weapon without already existing crystals + pity

[runic canopy]

if you feel can't get her plus her weapon, better not pull at all

[sweet flax]

you can invest into next patch's unit instead, she'll also have her shill (dedicated content towards her due to release)

[boreal prism]

Do we know who next patches unit is?

[sweet flax]

yes

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins has the details

[grim sinew]

whats a good team?

also which should I pick? I don't see mobius here

[thick bolt]

The first 3 work, HoV solo alone should get you through this early

[grim sinew]

thanks!

[thick bolt]

check the S rank egg in the pins

[boreal prism]

Sry ik it's a lot but will any of them ever be worth investing into?

[runic canopy]

no unfortunately. backpulling now is punished pretty badly in terms of meta, also assuming you ask here for meta.

[boreal prism]

Are any of them usable with some but not crazy investment?

[solar drum]

i found out backpulling is terrible after getting sparkles weapon

[runic canopy]

The first 2 need more moderate investment, S0 is enough for them.

The last 3 though... very high investment.

Remember that P1 valks don't have craftable stigmatas or they do, but using different farming method.
Aponia's stigmata is in foundry, but I don't thinks Vill V's have.

HoFi Kiana uses new stigmata and are farmable.

[boreal prism]

Whats stigmata 🥲

[runic canopy]

i cant open the game now, it's that 3 gears you need to equip on a valk aside from her weapon.

[boreal prism]

Is it like the little people

[naive pivot]

i guess you could say that

[neat hawk]

what should be my best team

[neat hawk]

or is acc bricked and i should i just start a new acc? i am not that far in story

[north cave]

If this is returnee acct then yea restart is better

[neat hawk]

i am a returnee ima restart

[neat hawk]

any tips to not fk up my new acc?

[raw wraith]

where's the fkin event guides ?

[runic canopy]

pull only the debut valks plus their weapons. if you want to skip a whole patch you can, but only pull debut valks.

and if you arent sure whether you can get their weapons or not, do not pull.

[neat hawk]

How much gems do i need to get their weapon

And i have favourites like herrscher of fire and herrscher of finality and herrscher of origin

Is there a non gacha way of getting them?

[runic canopy]

60 pulls at most. 16.8k?

[neat hawk]

Including the valk?

[runic canopy]

no more unfortunately. this should be the last time you would ever see Herrscher of Finality in gacha since she's on a different banner than usual.

[runic canopy]

no. including valk would be 150 pulls at most

[neat hawk]

Ok

[boreal prism]

How do you beat this thing? Bc I can't do enough dmg to the cube in the short time that the blue polygons are down and if the joystick is even slightly diagonal ts doesn't move 😭🙏

[neat hawk]

Are there other ways to get these characters?

[runic canopy]

i no longer remember how to do this, idk if there is a guide for it here would ask the Profs.

[boreal prism]

Like I don't get what the end goal to this is

[boreal prism]

Who might they be 😔😔

[runic canopy]

HoO on the top up box now if you really want... 1980 BChips

i will still highly recommend not to buy though

[neat hawk]

F2p ways permanent shop any exchange thingy tedious grinds anything?

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-reigen-arataka-reigen-mob-psycho-100-meme-gif-1972435661885485009

[runic canopy]

no. There are HoO stamps on ER shop but to use stamps, you have to obtain the valk first.

[runic canopy]

er uh idk if i can pong them

[neat hawk]

Hope they introduce a way to get p1 characters In the future

[boreal prism]

I'll try sending smth on gameplay help

[mortal carbon]

i can see if i can find anything because its been like half a decade since i did that early story stuff

what stage is that?

[runic canopy]

Loonabot! pls help

[boreal prism]

6-2

[mortal carbon]

ok let me replay that and do some testing real quick to see what all you gotta do

[boreal prism]

Tysm

[mortal carbon]

okay i've got it, ignore the big cube pretty much, just focus on the satellites because its designed to reshield almost instantly after wave 1. if needed focus on dodging, its not timed and this is a bullet hell game. in the 2nd wave your ult will hit both the front and back ones and nearly one shot them. but after wave 2 i think it unshields long enough to die, it has almost no health but its designed to reshield almost instantly after the first wave

as far as the joystick issues, i dont have a controller to test but keyboard wasd seemed to work ok, if you've tried that before might be worth it to switch to that for just this stage, keep in mind this stage was created and released like 8 years ago way before the pc version existed so the super old stages with funky minigames can be a bit hit or miss with modern control devices. if super necessary you could try switching to dpad input and just going up and down, but you do get 57 hits before you fail so unless you sit and eat a whole row of bullets at once it should in theory be doable just going up and down depending on how familiar you are with bullet hell games

[boreal prism]

Tysm youre my goat 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

[shell fjord]

Hello I'm new I'm gonna be going for the kiana that's on the current banner I just wanted to know were do I find the banner for her signature weapon I can't seem to find it

[runic canopy]

Equipment banner

[mortal carbon]

color change or am i crazy

[runic canopy]

Loonabot u got me i thought i answered wrong

but yes change color

[neat hawk]

so i did some math and realised that i need to clear 2700 stages 3 stars to get a character and their weapon thats crazy

[mortal carbon]

nono you're fine I may know not much about gameplay but I've been playing since 2019 i should at least know where the equipment banner is

[neat hawk]

not considering any side rewards

[mortal carbon]

mhmm, if you add up the one time sources for crystals in this pin #👶beginner-help message, just doing story stages isnt enough for max pity

[neat hawk]

HOLY SHIIIT

all part 1 19k?????

what do you guys do to hit pity wtf

XD

[mortal carbon]

for the f2p players? get monthly card and play literally every day, do your best in abyss. do all dailies/weeklies and do every event

[quick birch]

Story is your main crystal source as a beginner but, beginners get a lot of crystals through the starter manual ER etc. Once you've exhausted all your one time crystals sources ER and abyss are a consistent crystal source for endgame players with some smaller once in the side

[neat hawk]

i see

[mortal carbon]

but yeah beginner manual, dailies, ER and abyss give a lot of weekly crystals

[neat hawk]

in about how much time can i reach pity

[runic canopy]

noted

[quick birch]

Not too sure but fws sound rather unlikely now since her banner lasts until tmrw, based on how many crystals you have you can try your luck while not going below 16.8k so IF you get lucky you can get her weapon otherwise I would recommend to save for the 8.2 valk

[limber lance]

what is this?

[quick birch]

Iirc we already had this event in another version and now CN got it this version and hoyo global team just forgot to take it out, you can just wait until it expires.

[neat hawk]

nah i am new not for her but i wanted to know as a new player how long does it usually take to reach it

[quick birch]

That'll depend on how much time you invest in the game story gives a lot but can be really exhausting and time consuming, I'm not too familiar with the beginner experience nowadays but I'd say a few weeks sound reasonable

Like 2-3 I guess

[modest turtle]

ddo these expire or get converted into something when the version is over?

[lone crater]

expire into torus

[modest turtle]

so might as well buy the torus from the shop with the leftovers then

[lone crater]

actually i forgot what it gets converted to but leftovers u just buy torus

[lyric anvil]

Yeah it's torus

[ancient needle]

Monthly is F2P after all

[dry python]

[autumn oxide]

fake f2p ban

[mortal carbon]

I thought monthly card was considered f2p with how its not direct buying xtals

[ancient needle]

What is that logic 😭

F2P is just not spending any money (pure cosmetics in this case can be fine)

[mortal carbon]

because you're not buying a one time source of crystals is all. like i know spending even .01 is technically not f2p, i just thought that the montly card only people were still considered f2p by the general community is all

[calm kernel]

bruh you have been here long enough to see olympic level mental gymnastics to justify all kinds of spending as f2p

[ancient needle]

I've only seen mental gymnastics to justify not getting weaps

[ancient needle]

From what I've seen these are alr considered light spenders

[calm kernel]

spending is spending

[mortal carbon]

fair enough, I'll adjust my wording and try to remember next time

[gloomy acorn]

If it's not my money it's f2p

[calm kernel]

you might be f2p but your account isnt

but i think making distinction between f2p and monthly card buyer is pretty important because its a huge amount of xtals you get

and probably 99% of players will never spend more than that

[gloomy acorn]

If hoyo moves to 9 wk patches it's gonna be massive since patch long enough that monthly tips over to monthly buyers getting every new valk

[calm kernel]

well unless they get bad variance

go pity twice in a row or smth and you probably have to skip

[neat hawk]

what is the best beginner team i can do without using the gacha just started and i am saving (using shards and chars from permanent shops that i can access early)

[thick bolt]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[thick bolt]

some examples

[neat hawk]

tysm guys

[neat hawk]

silverwing bronya is obtainable no gacha?

[thick bolt]

she was from a box from login last patch

can ignore those for now

[neat hawk]

i missed out on so much fk

[quick birch]

shes expected to become farmable rather soon and she would be replaced by your first newer S rank immediately

so no worries

[neat hawk]

first s rank?
like hov

if i claim hov will i be able to get her?

coraile cat gurl and blue lady all farmable?

[quick birch]

no like your first actual S rank that you pull on the gacha

[neat hawk]

now its luna no?

[quick birch]

yes, coralies hammer is free from p2 story which the starter manual forces you to play a bit

[quick birch]

lunar vow is not on any banner at the moment and even if she were she's not a reccomanded pick at this point. The general rule of thumb is to pull newer valks on their release patch.

[neat hawk]

oh mb she was probs up when i started my old acc thought she is some newbie thingy

[neat hawk]

i dont quite understand this bit she having a rerun is what you meant?

[quick birch]

no, what i meant is that silverwing would get replaced by the first S rank valk that you pull from gacha, which probably would be the 8.2 valk based on your crystal count when she releases, since you are new that shouldnt be a problem though

[neat hawk]

i see

[quick birch]

i mentioned this because it seemed to me you felt like you missed out on something big when SW herself isnt that important

[neat hawk]

free is big no matter the context

[quick birch]

yeah she will probably be farmbale in the near future

[neat hawk]

about this team can you please tell me how can i farm each of them

[quick birch]

all 3 of them are farmable in the asterite shop, coralie and the hammer she has equipped ( her signature ) are free from p2 story very early on.

[neat hawk]

i see

should i pull on dorm supply? or useless

s rank in 24 pulls

[quick birch]

not with crystals

[neat hawk]

understood

[grim sinew]

as a newbie, how do I lvl up fast so I can unlock war treasury? im lvl 33 and I saw online that u can use ai-chan's chip but idk how to get it

[thick bolt]

removed material

[grim sinew]

aw

[thick bolt]

apart from the daily missions and stuff the only other way would be to just do story, you get 60xp for each node.

Even with daily missions alone you can reach lvl 80 in around a month

[ancient needle]

Erm akshually it's 60 🤓

[grim sinew]

ok I'll grind story and daily missons then

can I do weekly quiz twice a day or is it once a day?

[thick bolt]

ooh

[ancient needle]

10 cuz you're spending 10 stamina + 50 for first time clear

[grim sinew]

its the only daily mission im missing

[ancient needle]

Weekly Quiz is once a week

[grim sinew]

ohh

guess I'll just grind stories for now

thanks guys!!

[neat hawk]

hofi will she ever be obtainable again?

[thick bolt]

she currently has an adv banner
not sure if they'll rerun it again but give it 1-2 years and she'll be farmable by then probably

[ancient needle]

She could also appear in BP, but atp it's unlikely tbh

[neat hawk]

so she will hopefully be farmable in future thank god

[neat hawk]

you cant get bp char f2p no?

[ancient needle]

Yeah

[thick bolt]

|| bp update next patch, perma shop and orbs ||

[neat hawk]

nice

[thick bolt]

just a question of when she's added

[ancient needle]

Don't you still need to buy BP to get the valk or am I tripping

[neat hawk]

do i pull on starter banner

the one with the yellow lady

[ancient needle]

Unless you're rerolling no

[neat hawk]

not worth it?

[ancient needle]

Not at all
Just hard save until the next patch drops (in 3 weeks)

[neat hawk]

what we getting next patch

[ancient needle]

You can check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for the details

[thick bolt]

you do? lemme check notes
I don't see any mention of it so not sure

[neat hawk]

i doubt i can reach pity by then i am still new first day

[frozen crypt]

wtf am I seeing

[ancient needle]

Well, you don't need to pull her on day 1

[neat hawk]

mb

ima skip

will wait another patch

[ancient needle]

Gotta spoiler tag CN info btw

[neat hawk]

oh sry

[frozen crypt]

number 1 sirin hater vs number 1 HoV main

our battle will be legendary

[ancient needle]

You'll need to wait for 12 weeks

[neat hawk]

XD

[neat hawk]

my doctor calls me patient

[ancient needle]

If you do decide to pull make sure to get the weap as well, they aren't optional here

[neat hawk]

i see

[coral pumice]

i know it isnt the right place to say it but when I try to log in to my account verification codes comes so late

like after 2-3 mins

so I cant log in since there is a 1 min limit

[ancient needle]

Well, I don't think it's smth fixable on your end, you probs need to ask CS

Or maybe #🔌technical-help first

[frozen crypt]

that's happened to me before as well

[coral pumice]

thank you

[quick birch]

||Only for the actual BP the shop with Dkey and old valks is completely f2p it will just take ages to farm lol||

[ancient needle]

Ye, I meant the former

But I did forget to consider the latter

[thick bolt]

[autumn oxide]

starpiss

[neat hawk]

weapons there too?

[quick birch]

yes but HoFi is not in there, we'll have to see how reguarly they update it. although i doubt if they make her farmable in the shop that they will also add Waxing moon ( her new weapon) but rather her old one.

[lyric anvil]

Yeah, It'll likely be Key of Genesis

[neat hawk]

wait finallity kiana has 2 weapons?

hope hoO is added there too

[quick birch]

yes she has her sig weapon on release ( key of genesis) and her divine key ( waxing moon), her divine key makes her be able to use the astral ring system and support p2 chars

[quick birch]

this is all just speculation, we will have to see how reguarly they will update that shop so no guarantee on anything.

[neat hawk]

new patch is in a day no?

[quick birch]

nope 3 weeks check #💁gameplay-help pins for scheduel

[jolly pulsar]

[jolly pulsar]

Unlike other gacha games
With hi3 you’ll have the main banner, and then about two or three weeks of side banners afterwards, then a new patch

[neat hawk]

is there an f2p way of getting divine keys?

[quick birch]

depends on the dkey, some are craftable some are in foundry || the new BP will have some || but the recent onces are obtained via gacha

[neat hawk]

i see

[abstract sequoia]

Either way, if you stay active you slowly get more chances to obtain more than they can release.

Either through BP like Seven Thunder right now or with reruns like Stellar Keys or even Brick (reran like twice since 7.3)

there is just no deadset pattern on when it will happen, so always a good idea to look at patch timelines or even #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

the latter usually knows fastest

[quick birch]

~~iirc brick only ran once since p2 but ~~i would also be suprised of they rerun in it in the near future, either way as ram said dkeys are accumulated over time. ( when fire power with xy sword )

should have played in 7.6 and got it form mini spending

[abstract sequoia]

it reran twice, 7.5 and 7.7

[quick birch]

im blind didnt see the one in 7.7

[abstract sequoia]

i still don't know why they did that

by 7.7 senti got pushed out of many niches after JDS release

[quick birch]

just some regular old reruns and they also ran flying fish which is still sentis boss

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, but like Horb on Hua it's only remaining boss

since both are obsolete as support

only their dps niche remains

kinda ironic, normally its the other way around

[jolly pulsar]

Basically:

1. realms of battle (gets you like five)
2. BP Works (can usually snag it for free, just have to wait a few patches. Note that BP works ||will be reworked|| (pun intended)
3. Foundry (this gets you oath of Judah, salvation of Sakura, and abyss and fenghuang pinions)
4. Spending event bonuses
5. Event boxes, basically some events will give a dkey box as a reward
6. Reruns (not recommended unless you have a really well established account)

Make sure to put in feedback to make it easier to get dkeys!

[quick birch]

well they are both needed as supports when the other is going dps, also p1 sonque is kinda nice in MA but yeah they are niche.

[frozen crypt]

no don't make it easier to get dkeys I'm washed I need my atk advantage over new players ty

[quick birch]

lyo downfall

can HoV cook something on the next cycle since you are in RL now

[slim blaze]

What are my options for MA?
My current plan.

Herrshey trio for baymax

RS JDS FWS for rimestar

Hohe lema for SS MA

[shadow gyro]

can you show ur valks that have their sig geared (mention what's the gear)

[slim blaze]

Er this is a bit hard.

[frozen crypt]

yeah I'm pretty confident I can retain RL with my HoV I'll even try to promote

[slim blaze]

Wait a minute

[shadow gyro]

woaw i wanna see a hov run on this boss for funnies

[dense bramble]

Where can i get these stigmatas other than the one you can get in the training shop?

[odd plume]

gluttony T and Tsiolkovsky are in foundry

[shadow gyro]

most if not all are in the foundry

[odd plume]

attila B too

[dense bramble]

So i have to craft them

[shadow gyro]

i don't remember if story stages give attila

the coralie ones will need prisms
the rest are cheap

[dense bramble]

Alright thanks

[odd plume]

btw Tsiolkovsky is a bit lower prior if you are building badum cause not enough prism

[dense bramble]

Don't have her, i started late

[odd plume]

[slim blaze]

Gear pretty self explanatory

I.e. p2 valk = 4/4
P1 valk = latest dkey + some stigs

Got some newts, ppm, some shennong shenanigans

Im not showing the himekos anymore haha

[shadow gyro]

sd guy: badum, que, vita
rime: herrscher trio
ss rita: could do a quick hof run maybe?

[slim blaze]

No need for SS MA. I just use si ta sns or hohe lema lately haha

[shadow gyro]

fair enough, can use badum team for sd guy and trio for rime

[slim blaze]

Does double sleepri still work

[shadow gyro]

sleepri? not sure what that is

[slim blaze]

Oof

You just slapped me with age pain

[shadow gyro]

😭

u mean this?

tbh i don't know roza that much

[foggy harbor]

when does this mission start?

[slim blaze]

Pain. 39773

[nimble venture]

Wait what's it used for? Idk that strat

[sinful hatch]

does the astralop banner not carrying my pity to next round ?

[slim blaze]

Yes

[shadow gyro]

it will carry to the next aop supply

[sinful hatch]

thx

[shadow gyro]

yeah im not aware about roza or any strats about her and her wp

[slim blaze]

Basically delta and liliya both hold sleeper pri. Then we have CH with Hekate Pri

[shadow gyro]

ohhh

interesting

[slim blaze]

Errrr good enough? Idk maybe i can make it faster.

[slim blaze]

Can always bald later

[shadow gyro]

i doubt that using DA would be any better than trio in ur case
there should be any ref about this with trio if you wanna compare (non that i have saved rn)

[slim blaze]

When did i mention DA what hahaha

[shadow gyro]

nah you didn't mention her i just noticed her and thought to share that heh

[abstract sequoia]

When you enter Part 2 Chapter 1 yourself

oh wait nevermind, it was the one after Covenant

but yeah, same place

[heady dagger]

i wanted to use 2 sleepris but i feel like regular si sns prom is enough for most SS memorial

[frozen crypt]

on what

ofc it still works, strats don't just stop working in MA

[slim blaze]

well i mean hahaha true enough

[frozen crypt]

xd

I still use sleepri on the regular

[autumn oxide]

ok whel

[tidal crypt]

Yall, kinda dumb random question, do dkey buffs show up in valk stats? Like, if I go to see their stats are the dkey buffs included alr?

Genq cuz I never thought abt that

[quick birch]

dkey atk buffs ? yes

[tidal crypt]

Ty

[thick bolt]

can click the detailed stats button for the division from sources

[green raptor]

I need xp resorces for Valk and Pri-Arms

[abstract sequoia]

Yea Divine Keys are added onto atk. Same with Dorm Buffs and stigma affixes

the latter being included in your Equip gains

[bold wraith]

BKE dudu is fully dead right

bc i have a box that gives her DK and a box that gives her so like

just confirming shes completely dead and has no use outside of stress test and ER

wait BKE doesnt have stress test man

nvm she does

[frozen crypt]

She won't be very useful yeah

[quick birch]

BKE herself is dead yeah, however dkeys are still useful for the +10 global atk buff. || The new BP will have some dkeys check that out before picking one from the box ||

[bold wraith]

i see, so i just hold on to both boxes zzz

by the time i use them all the valks in the box die from old age 💔

[frozen crypt]

Yeah save your boxes until we update the plans due to new systems next patch

[bold wraith]

wait fr? what new systems

[frozen crypt]

||just bp rework||

[wintry wharf]

||like a new bp for whales||

[bold wraith]

zzz

[quick birch]

Check out #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins if you want to know more

[frozen crypt]

Misinfo get out plis

[wintry wharf]

[covert delta]

what lvl do i need her to be

[bold wraith]

wait so basically ||permanent crystalum and dks are obtainable from BP now??||

[frozen crypt]

!faq aug

[small willow]

Augments

Hi, Captain!

Augments are a type of Valkyrie we haven't seen in a long time, so we assume they are discontinued. It is not recommended to invest in any of them, but to play FT, TP and StFu in ER you must unlock their Augmented Form, which is acceptable.

To unlock this feature, you have to be at least Captain Level 30. By unlocking the Augmented Form, the Valkyrie will obtain a new set of skills in her skill tree, though some old skills from the origin skill tree remain the same.

Augmented battlesuits are unlocked by obtaining certain amount of Augment Cores. Every augmented battlesuit has its own Augment Cores specifically - they can be purchased with Asterite.

A Valkyrie's rank and level are also requirement gates for upgrading to the next Augment Star Level, and maxed out at 6★. You can see the requirements below:

[wintry wharf]

||need two patches to get something from that bp for f2p||

[bold wraith]

how far should i level a DK for its effects anw?

[frozen crypt]

Look at the bottom chart

[frozen crypt]

Gacha ones no need

[quick birch]

||Yes only some though some are still missing xy sword where||

[frozen crypt]

Gene limit dkeys you need to max one from each gene limit to upgrade those to lvl 10

[bold wraith]

ooo i see, tyy

when should i start leveling my dks if i also have p2 weps to upgrade?

[frozen crypt]

Well the ones from realms of battle use spirit jades so they're not a huge problem

[bold wraith]

rn my FWS wep is 55, my JDS is at 50 and my HoFi DK is at 50 (all of them pri)

[wintry wharf]

problem is to get enough cubes at the start

[frozen crypt]

I wouldn't upgrade PoS/Judah to 50 until you have excess honkai shards

[frozen crypt]

Doesn't affect dkeys then

Uses different materials and being gated by exp matz isn't the end of the world

You shouldn't be PRI-ARMing dkeys either unless you own the valk its for and can make good use of them

[bold wraith]

yeah i have HoFi

[frozen crypt]

HoFi's dkey doesn't have a gene limit attached to it so

Not really a priority to level unless you have geared trio for hfi dps

[covert delta]

so ineed to get this to 4 stars for her to be unlocked in er?

[bold wraith]

nah hofi is only being used on vita dps rn

[thick bolt]

no just 1 star is enough

4* is for the skin specific to the augment core

[covert delta]

ah okay

[frozen crypt]

And keep in mind you only need to lvl50 one of the two shamash weps

[bold wraith]

oo i see

thanks!!

[vale raptor]

hi can anyone tell me what the "?" thing does? it says can be used to get kiana -T from bingo panel, but how do we use it?

[frozen crypt]

I don't think its intended, previous bingo event

[quick birch]

It's an old bingo event we already had which CN got this version hoyo global forgo to take it out

Smol indie company pls understand

[vale raptor]

oh

[jolly pulsar]

Smh

[cedar turtle]

Looking for advice on what to roll for. I’ve got Fiery Wishing Star, Herrscher of Human Ego, Valkyrie Blast Metal, all fully geared. Plus Valkyrie Boltstorm (No gear).

I’m not sure between Deepspace Anchor, Jovial Deception, Sparkle, or Reign Solaris. Ideally, I want someone who plays well with FWS and HoHE.

[sweet flax]

how many crystals do you have saved up at the moment

[ancient needle]

1. Please spoiler tag CN info
2. Backpulling is generally not recommended here, you can give this a read: #👶beginner-help message
3. How many crystals do you have rn and do you have any pity built on the valk and weap banners

Considering your current valk roster it looks like your acc is pretty new, how true is that?

[cedar turtle]

Sorry about that. My account is 48 days old right now, I still have like half the story to go through. I have 14k crystals right now and at 68 drops in valk banner.

[ancient needle]

Ah, then you should be able to afford both 8.2 and 8.3

Go for 8.2 + weap

[cedar turtle]

Okay. So I know the new valks tend to be better, but would the 8.2 one match FWS and HoHE's Astral Rings (Not sure if that's okay to ask)?

[thick bolt]

||ye ring type matches with FWS while HoHe supports ring type||

[ancient needle]

||You'll be able to do FWS 8.2 HoHE and 8.2 FWS HoHE||

[ancient needle]

Asking about CN stuff is fine as long as you spoiler tag the info

[cedar turtle]

Gotcha, sorry about that!

[calm kernel]

well actually they announced sushang would be the next battlesuit already so

[quick birch]

Yeah just what she does isn't public yet afaik

[ancient needle]

Oh, dayum

[calm kernel]

well that has been always safe to discuss in help channels as long as it relates to investment advice

[ancient needle]

Well, you don't have to spoiler tag the valk name, but the kit is still off-limits

[quick birch]

Yeah this was more about spoilering since beta hasn't started yet you still need to do that

[abstract sequoia]

It's that time again I see

[cyan dune]

are foundry crafting recomendations accurate?

[spiral badge]

not really. In game recommendations can often be flawed or dated. The only ingame guides really recommended are those with gameplay tutorials in tactics class

but those are really just to get you started and not always optimal

[cyan dune]

got it thank you

i was gonna craft solon for HoHE

[quick birch]

while this is her best set its NEEDS her dkey to work, HoHe without dkey isnt really great in general

for beginners she works

but later on she wont really be any use for you

[cyan dune]

got it 👍

[spiral badge]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

very early on, you can refer to these for cheap stuff to invest and use while you save up crystals. Meta wise you'll want to save up enough to get both a newly released valk and her signature weapon at the same time or at least before the patch goes away

if you really want to be sure, i encourage you to start reading the stig effects, and asking here if there's anything you don't understand

[cyan dune]

oki! i got badum 4/4 would blastmetal work with her?

[quick birch]

yes coralie is RoO so she works with every AR type but isnt the best option compared to propper supports, but this is all you got. Do you already know how p2 team building works?

[cyan dune]

not a clue tbh

[hot wyvern]

How do I convince someone that it's very recommended to reroll account if they played before part 2

[spiral badge]

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Solon
So going back to Solon, notice how alot of the effects wants stuff like

• Augmented Ascension
• Wheel of Destiny
  These are terms exclusive to specific ring types with astral ring mechanics.

Meanwhile there's another term here called [Ego's Devotion], which is triggered by the 3pc effect. However the condition for this is to have astral ring activated. This requires a astral ring (part 2) valkyrie to be the leader of the team.

• I suppose you can make coralie leader to access these effects from Solon but it prob isn't worth it overall. Source prisms are quite valuable early on when you don't have much of them yet, and you'll want to keep them for gacha valks you'll highly invest into later.

[quick birch]

We have Astral ring specializations and support tags.

• The leader is the DPS and determines what the Astral ring Specialization of the team is.
• Now your supports want the corresponding Support tag
• RoO is a special AR type which can support all AR types but wont perform as good as Valks with the actual support tag.
  You can have a look at these guides they are with pictures. I do not recommend anything else from this site though.
  https://marisaimpact.com/classroom/ar1
  https://marisaimpact.com/classroom/ar2

if you prefer video explanations this is worth checking out.
https://youtu.be/VqhYRqb71Vg?si=LBGilPlCxawgxLXL

[spiral badge]

I wouldn't try to convince them but I think you should screen them for what kind of player they are

[quick birch]

also check this out for all AR types we have at the moment

[hot wyvern]

Kept telling me that it's better to keep the old account because of dorm levels, dkeys, and progression

[spiral badge]

so if the player is

• more casual
• very attached to their account because of things they can no longer obtain (event frames and emblems, bp frames, asuka valk, etc)
• or maybe it can be as simple as they don't like the idea of restarting and redoing things again even if they're aware of the benefits

then i think it's fine to leave them be

but ofc you may want to inform them (not forcibly) of the benefits of restarting (starter manual crystals, reset perm crystals, etc) esp if they're meta interested. Also inform them how the climb to 80 only takes a month now.

[spiral badge]

yeah well to be more blunt i think this kind of attitude towards them is just going to make them more resistant lol

[hot wyvern]

I just gave up

[spiral badge]

dkeys and dorms are definitely long term projects but it really depends on the players plans at that point

like if they are fine with waiting a bit more to save more crystals to start focusing on meta units, and they have really odd stuff like xy sword then i think it's more fine to stick with it

[hot wyvern]

They said that all the p1 and p2 stories only gives less than 250 pulls

[spiral badge]

but if they are only into the game for short term enjoyment, then restarting to picking up meta valk sooners can be a consideration

well we have the crystal pin for that

[hot wyvern]

Yeah

But I won't really bother sending it to them

[spiral badge]

just stick with the facts and let that do the talking

yeah don't push them if they don't want it

[hot wyvern]

They didn't even reply to my last statement anyway so I consider the convo done

[spiral badge]

well you can at least keep the above in mind for other similar circumstances in the future or if the mentioned player changes their mind and resumes the idea

but it's important to understand hi3 is a dynamic and flexible game. Meta isn't the only way to play and not something to enforce

rerolling/restarting is merely an option

[hot wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/true-mandela-true-a-box-of-trues-dog-man-a-box-of-bees-gif-13618458326508005608

Thanks for the input btw

[wispy aurora]

Okay....

[quick birch]

if you are wondering what this is for it was part of an old bingo event that we already had. CN just got it this version and global team forgot to take it out

just wait until it expires

[wispy aurora]

Make sense I was looking for it to see what the pirpose of it was

[sweet flax]

small indie company moment

[quick birch]

yeah plz understand

[random glen]

hello, does anyone know if i can salvage a pri-armed weapon? the blade is at level 50, and i was wondering if i can salvage it before level 65

[quick birch]

afaik pri arms are not salvageable, if its still the non pri armed version its possible though.

[random glen]

alright, thank you

[stark geyser]

quick question about astral ring system, lets say i activate astral ring with FWS and coralie is in the team, will coralies 4 buffs surrounding the astral ring skill in her skills tab take effect or does it have to be her activating ring?

[quick birch]

not all 4 since 1 is directly connected with having World star being the used AR type, this is the case for most chars that different skills in the Astral ring skill tab describe their abilities in different AR types.

Coralie will refresh all her buffs when activating SO though, this is mentioned in another AR skill of hers

SO can be activated from anybody and she will refres all her buffs

[lyric anvil]

Coralie being mainly made to support World Star I think?

[quick birch]

shes a RoO so she can support any AR type but she has a the Domain resonance tag so she has some extra skills for that AR type

[lyric anvil]

Ah

Though she can't fully support without the specific AR tags

[quick birch]

yup thats the trade off, most beginners dont have much to work with so she is really nice to get into p2 team building

[lyric anvil]

Me for example.

Having to use FWS - Coralie - Random P1 Valk that can work with said team

[wispy aurora]

Who to use...

[quick birch]

well thts depends, who do you have ?

[wispy aurora]

rest are low level

[quick birch]

you could try
fws/sonque/HoHe
sparkle/vita/coralie or helia based on how geared they are. I dont see any other fire valks so imo this is the best
and thele with some p1 supports, you dont have HoFs just for leader skill per chance ?

[rustic tapir]

!faq battlesuit

[wispy aurora]

No HoFi

[quick birch]

faq can only be used by prof or above you can search for faqs through discord if you need any, otherwise maybe ask your question and someone can help

[quick birch]

HoFs not HoFi since HoFs leader skill gives sp

[rustic tapir]

Oh my bad, I thought it was a bot command

[quick birch]

it is but cant be used by anyone

[rustic tapir]

Yeah I get you, no worries

Is there any character building guide? Or team building guide I could use for reference?

[quick birch]

the normal build for chars is sig weapon + stigmata.
there is a faq about beginner teams wait a sec

[thick bolt]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

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[quick birch]

thx star

[thick bolt]

np
also team building is usually a dps + 2 supports and in some cases triple support. This is the most relevant for you at this point before you pull a gacha valk on debut banner in the future.

As for when you get into p2 teambuilding with the astral ring mechanic this message by Sairaan is nice to understand it #💁gameplay-help message

[rustic tapir]

I see. Thank you guys

[thick bolt]

it can be overwhelming so if you have any questions just spam away

[lime talon]

does bp chip expire

[urban lake]

hey star can you tell me some tips for the upcoming otto boss in abyss pls

[quick birch]

the honor chips yes

[urban lake]

kinda n a tight scheduel so asking iin advance

yes I have no PHY

[urban lake]

these r the only vals that r gud

[thick bolt]

Try Badum Sparkle Coralie

[quick birch]

tbh thele/sena/teri looks like your best option, Sena dps is -50% and sporkle is type countered if you use fws DPS, since LoA supports can contribute a nice amount of dmg its not really ideal. You can still try out fws dps i guess but it looks rather cope because no 3/3 HS valks

[urban lake]

ok then\

I have teri op too btw

[quick birch]

although im not quite sure how teri performs as an WoD support

[urban lake]

hmm, thel sena teri is just only thel game-play, rest of them are just passive supports

you can give me a combo for thel for that team

[quick birch]

im not really familliar with thele since i dont have her but maybe i can find a ref

[urban lake]

ok thnx

just ping me when u find it k?

[quick birch]

will do yeah

[urban lake]

I might check it tomorrow tho, cause-

[lime talon]

jesus

[quick birch]

welp

[urban lake]

it's been worse, I slept at 8 am once-

[urban lake]

[lime talon]

have u pulled a all nighter no sleep?

[lime talon]

here i am complaining abt 7hrs a day of sleep

[urban lake]

yes, for a month straight wheb I was addicted to Hi3 p1 story, and a fewtimes during exams

[urban lake]

7 is fine

[lime talon]

lmfao i did that in day 10

[urban lake]

i no skip anything

[lime talon]

sleep brother

[urban lake]

anyway I really need to sleep now, have a freaking headache

yeah xd

[lime talon]

nah pull the moster energy tf

[quick birch]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1hpewevEWL/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sSYBefERT/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click
there are actually a few nirv ref on raven for that, maybe have a look at both tmr and think a bit how you can adjust the rotation for otto

[urban lake]

imagine i just drink some coffee rn-

[urban lake]

ok thnx mango, I'mm gonna save that

[quick birch]

im honestly suprised i even found nirv ref for that

lol

[urban lake]

dedicated

[quick birch]

nah was pretty easy tbh, maybe it was BiS before vita idk, wasnt caught up with meta back then

[urban lake]

some more experience and prof is reachable

serious

[thick bolt]

searching for thel otto refs pulls up story segments and memes

[urban lake]

[quick birch]

yeah i didnt bother trying to find a ref on otto nobody is that cope in CN(~~ maybe some are)~~

[urban lake]

xd

k going to sleep now (hopefully)

byee and thanks again!

[quick birch]

rest well

[urban lake]

[urban lake]

ye, a busy day tomorrow

have to fix windows on pc, hopefully it's quick and have to study for finals and then mald hi3 too

k bye

[warm vine]

can I make any decent teams for arena and the elemental modes? I'm using vita hofi coralie (with gears) as the main abyss team or brute force team. But they arent good everywhere, and in arena you need more teams.

I really want to make a thelema team but its a bit weird since vita is main dps on a different team already.

out of view is azure empyrea and some more farmable/SP valkyries.

I dont mind investing in less optimal units, im having fun being a tourist

[lime talon]

do sensi get rewards in the game?

[thick bolt]

separate sensei shop, cadet completing missions give the sensei tokens to buy stuff from there

[lime talon]

i mean do the snesi themselves get anything

also how does it work

just found out this button an realize that I pretty much have completed everything to phase 10 and im 1 lvl away from lvl 70

[thick bolt]

they get reputation for small reward milestones and emblem currency to buy stuff from this shop https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Master's_Shop, nothing else

[ancient needle]

Well, which of these valks have full sig gear? Like, for example, you could use trio

[thick bolt]

some of the stuff in there is outdated but you get the idea

[wispy aurora]

Ohh and sadly not

[quick birch]

you can try
thele/vita/coralie
HoFi/HoTr/HoO
assuming all have gear
trio can handle rimestar really good and the other team is ur best option honestly,
for the SS boss there are some cursed strategies since SS MA is really squishy that is more dependent on what have
maybe someone else has some othet suggestions def get a sec opinion

[warm vine]

only vita hofi and thelema have been pulled any gear

[lime talon]

what does the sensei do and the cadet do?

[thick bolt]

cadet, plays the game (missions complete naturally unless they slack hard)
sensei, waits for the cadet to play the game and graduate

[ancient needle]

Well, in that case you can just split them up for now
Like Vita + HoFi on one team and Thele + Coralie on another

You can add RC or TA to each for a bit more DMG

[lime talon]

lmao im one level away from graduating if graduating is to comp phase 10

[thick bolt]

ye that is one of the ways to graduate

[lime talon]

i never saw this 💀

[ancient needle]

Ofc you'll underperform in MA but that's normal until you get enough geared valks

[quick birch]

if you dont care about MA placements its fine just try to get 20 crystals out of the SSS bosses and full rewards for clearing 14 stages

[faint crypt]

oh wow

yellow star

[warm vine]

@ancient needle @quick birch thanks both, I have some ideas then. part 1 teams like a slapdash bleed or something is just not worth bothering with at all?

for modes where there is an explicit weakness/mechanic like that I mean

[ancient needle]

Yeah, gear is too important

Unless the cycle absolutely requires a gimmick (like the one we just had) just bruteforce it with Vita/Thele

[quick birch]

you can kinda ignore my suggestions at this point because i didnt bother to ask who is geared btw, but as teammate said you have nice bruteforce options use them

[crisp hawk]

wth is that and where i find the bingo panel?

[spiral badge]

See what i linked you in the other channel

what i posted was an actual link to a message

[crisp hawk]

then it is for nothing? 💀

[spiral badge]

yes

[jade mason]

What should I buy from here with the rest of my annulons? (got 112 left)

[naive pivot]

#👶beginner-help message

[dapper axle]

Is the Kiana that got a rerun good?
The purple Kiana...

[ancient needle]

She has her uses, but she's not worth getting at all

And considering you are on a new acc you won't be able to properly use her

Just save until 8.2 drops

[dapper axle]

Okie dokie

Thanks :D

[maiden garden]

confused on where to go?

[lyric anvil]

It's in the dorm, there's afk expeditions

But you have to get 3* first

[dapper axle]

Ah I expected I would be wrong, I’m sorry, I will try not to answer next time

[lyric anvil]

Tbf you weren't the only one confused too since it doesn't specify

[dapper axle]

I’m glad ;-;

Oh I deleted my question…

[lyric anvil]

[dapper axle]

So considering I’m in this part of the story (pic 1)
How long until I can reach this part of the story (that the mission requires me to clear) (pic 2)

[maiden garden]

dosent appear to be the case as all of these are done with 3 stars

which didnt unlock it

[lyric anvil]

^

[odd plume]

not long, within 1 hour if you skip

oh, you are doing land of shadow, should be very fast

[autumn oxide]

@abstract sequoia i managed to get the double eva no tf

jajaja

[abstract sequoia]

:o

wait why is horb there-

[autumn oxide]

oh i cooked up my own run

[abstract sequoia]

Yknow what, I dig it

[autumn oxide]

great that means i just vita rime and im done for the week

[abstract sequoia]

actually wondering how her ult would function. Does the defense shred still get overwritten?

[autumn oxide]

no clue i just brought her in for the susanis

[abstract sequoia]

I mean sure why not lol

meanwhile I hit a 1 second improvement

[autumn oxide]

anyw yk in the vid theres the 4 pointers

[abstract sequoia]

yea

[autumn oxide]

1. must face guaymas directly/almost directly
2. first dodge must be diagonal (left diagonal), ult instantly.
3. after ulting, eva backwards

thats what 1,2 and 3 roughly translate to

4 is telling u abt the timing for the evades

[abstract sequoia]

i was wondering what they meant, didn't have google lens or anything

[autumn oxide]

roughly translating its smth like

u eva ult, just before u go into ult ani the atk shd be on top of u. when u think the ult anim is about to end, spam eva

[abstract sequoia]

probably should change that

[autumn oxide]

the left diagonal is a bit of a question mark for me tho

the ref evaded to a bottom right (sd on wasd) instead, and thats also what worked for me

but yea thats roughly what it says

[abstract sequoia]

I guess either way works

its 3 slice projectiles

[autumn oxide]

the 4th one im just going off of experience + what im guessing it says cos i got lazy to read it, my cn sucks

[abstract sequoia]

oh, so you know a little?

[autumn oxide]

no thats one continuous atk, treat it as one projectile

[autumn oxide]

im chinese dawg

[abstract sequoia]

i see

never was too sure, since you have alts

[autumn oxide]

alr now time to cook up a rimestar run

[abstract sequoia]

gl lol

[autumn oxide]

type down + ele down lesgo

[abstract sequoia]

in EU the Garuda whales woke up

hard to top that

[autumn oxide]

on na im t5 rn

[autumn oxide]

on sea im suffering with this crap

[abstract sequoia]

I got down to >3% on rimestar yesterday

but overall score was still 0.20%

[autumn oxide]

tbh the percentage doesnt really mean shit cos same scores stack up

[abstract sequoia]

true

[autumn oxide]

man i dropped to t14

guaymas tanking my score fuck man

[abstract sequoia]

in that case

[autumn oxide]

im -2 off of my cap cos of a stupid elf

[abstract sequoia]

one sec lemme post full MA stuff

[abstract sequoia]

I just used Thelema p2 team tbh

on AKA

wait no, Ely

[autumn oxide]

had to use cez tb ala m to sometimes kill p1 too

stupid elf

next patch i get pb3 and that solves my issue

ah but anyw its only like +32 pts to my total score

and 647 wld put me at 11

rime gears :3

[abstract sequoia]

im still split between 3*ing PB or going for 3* Kiaelf

[autumn oxide]

i'd say kia has more use cases in p2 teams

esp since ure tryna gear up ur trio

[abstract sequoia]

yea for sure

[autumn oxide]

im going for pb on na cos i hv kia4

on sea im likely gonna go pb too just because

for reference sea i hv kia2 and pb2

i dont rly hv any p1 ele teams there so pb is probs the play, esp since i got hrb from spending

[abstract sequoia]

trio looks cope, but I know I can get out way more

[autumn oxide]

ur best bet is that dream ref i sent out

lemme check if basara has anything on this too

nope nothing

ah then again, trio is a shit team

theres almost no outplay potential, its just if u hv dmg or not

[abstract sequoia]

on this boss especially

[autumn oxide]

u hv dmg? grats on good score
u dont? haha sucks to suck +1 more rot -100pts

[abstract sequoia]

i feel like I have to 2 SO from lacking dmg

i tried the ref Paul sent me, yeah no dmg

also hotr buff keeps running out before I timestop on hofi

[autumn oxide]

cant really help u out much here cos im not maso enough to run trio much less gearless trio

[autumn oxide]

ok thats probs skill issue unless ure adding in extra things to the rot

[autumn oxide]

and if u are then that goes back to that

[abstract sequoia]

i tried on phone mostly, so might be just lag. So much for "phone optimized"

[autumn oxide]

wait pause why did i even do rs sonk on guaymas i cldve just used freaking sena

dang i knew i was stupid but not this stupid

[abstract sequoia]

badumless?

[autumn oxide]

ofc

[abstract sequoia]

yeah rip

[autumn oxide]

but still i cldve done like

sena thel helia
vita hfi cora or even rs vita sonk
something idk

probs ce vq or smth

oh si sns ta works

damn ok i think i bricked my ma

[abstract sequoia]

[abstract sequoia]

Just a curiosity question, how would Sena Helia Coralie score on that boss?

full gear and maybe S2 on sena

[autumn oxide]

s2 doesnt affect

[abstract sequoia]

really?

i thought the extra evade could help

[autumn oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHPIQeHNq5Q

extra evade is ss not s2

[autumn oxide]

heres what we ran back when it first came out

[abstract sequoia]

ah-

[autumn oxide]

ss heli cora too tho, so score probs a tad higher with sss+3

[abstract sequoia]

No chances to get more frags that quickly I assume

I mean with 8 weeks in 7.3, at most 200 frags for both Helia and Coralie

[autumn oxide]

pull sena banner

[abstract sequoia]

plus the Coralie freebie

and whatever you pulled on sena

which is rng

[autumn oxide]

whales like @desert shadow got sss day one

and he also r3 heli weap from banner ofc

[abstract sequoia]

i mean the wep I understand

pulling A rank tho...

[autumn oxide]

back in the sp valk days whels usually pulled for ss off of the banner

[abstract sequoia]

oh

[calm grove]

prob been asked a milliopn times, but...
What sources for exp mats? Trying to lvl my valks, im lvl 81 with only a few valks at lvl 70

feel stuck tbh

[abstract sequoia]

who are you leveling tho? you're not supposed to do all at once

[desert shadow]

The fuck I didn't

[autumn oxide]

our humble king

[desert shadow]

I farmed Helia syncs like the broke f2p I am

[calm grove]

I'm trying to lvl a few to 80 at least, for different type counters for Abyss at least. Vita to start, Eden, Theresa Apocalypse. Should i just focus on just maxing one, then moving on?

my concern is i'll have one great unit and then the others are basically useless until leveled up

[desert shadow]

You get them from the daily stages

[abstract sequoia]

you level based on the order of need for each valk

[desert shadow]

And you should only really be focusing on new characters, not older ones

[abstract sequoia]

don't need eden anytime soon? dont waste level mats just yet then

[desert shadow]

As a beginner, you will very quickly run out of resources if you try to start leveling everything

[abstract sequoia]

best to check timeline websites like arustats for Abyss and MA bosses and what people run on it

so you can properly prepare in advance

marisahonkai is another good site for it, especially for showcasing Abyss boss mechanics

[desert shadow]

Again, only focus on investing in new characters, and don't be investing into older characters unless you are absolutely sure you need them for something

[calm grove]

what's the indicator for new characters, like what am i looking for? is it Astral ring or something like that?

[desert shadow]

Supplies/abyss/MA schedule is pinned in #💁gameplay-help and #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[desert shadow]

The patch they release. i.e. currently FWS

i.e. you have the character 4/4

[abstract sequoia]

that's true, i'm just citing the sources for the pins

[calm grove]

i see okay

thanks

[abstract sequoia]

another note for the new character rule, the second half of a patch is where endgame bosses will have more variety again, not always made for the new character

[desert shadow]

Just don't be investing into others unless you know you need them, like Helia and/or Coralie for example, as place holders until you get more valks in the future

[abstract sequoia]

thats where your previous pulls will shine through

[calm grove]

ive been playing wrong this whole time lol

[abstract sequoia]

been there

i just realized early

[desert shadow]

That's why you're here

To ask questions and learn

[maiden garden]

is flaming heart better then preafect?

for coralie

[frozen crypt]

Is that VG leader skill

[maiden garden]

vg?

i assume leader skills are not really worth going into

[frozen crypt]

Valkyrie gloria

[abstract sequoia]

Technically, Preafect because Coralie has more than enough Total DMG multiplier buffs already.

at least with her stigma

[frozen crypt]

I'm probably misremembering

[abstract sequoia]

you're not misremembering

fire dmg + throw was VG

[frozen crypt]

O

[abstract sequoia]

yea

[frozen crypt]

Yeah putting a valk as dogshit as vg on the team for a leader skill is very questionable

[maiden garden]

tbf i am kinda waiting for 16k more crystals befpre i spend anything (as valk pulls) so i still have a while

[abstract sequoia]

thats alright

for now, using coralie as non-leader this way is actually fine

she gets a lower ult CD

[maiden garden]

so use gloria over fu hua

[frozen crypt]

Interesting

[maiden garden]

also current roster

[frozen crypt]

Whats the full team you're using btw?

[abstract sequoia]

idk the buff numbers for phoenix but what we usually recommend as an elemental support is reverist calico

(pardofelis)

[maiden garden]

i was mainly using top 3 as for fu huas leader skill thinking it would give higher dps but i can swap back to gloria

and only idk what the 3rd character would be kinda void (as coraline can kinda just defeat things)

[abstract sequoia]

not really a great choice

for p1 do try to do 2 supports and 1 dps

[frozen crypt]

^^

[maiden garden]

any rec supporters on the roster?

[abstract sequoia]

.

[frozen crypt]

Those two fuhuas and cat

[maiden garden]

cat over coraline?

[abstract sequoia]

yea definitely AE, but idk the numbers for phoenix so cant say when she's good

[abstract sequoia]

nah coralie is your dps

[frozen crypt]

Phoenix is kinda reliant on SS

But still ok to use at S for beginners

[abstract sequoia]

alright

[frozen crypt]

RC should be better tho

[whole bloom]

Should I invest in sparkle? I have Vita, badum,hohe

[frozen crypt]

So AE RC ideally

[frozen crypt]

No

[maiden garden]

so fu hua as leader - 2ndary fu hua - and coraline as dps?

[frozen crypt]

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[abstract sequoia]

i simply do not have her yet

[frozen crypt]

Bru mines SSS

[frozen crypt]

I'd use AE RC Coralie