🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[steep axle]

i skipped kiaelf

[strange crystal]

I mean, said that goi supports just need switch and ult if with chen skipping weapon

[steep axle]

i forgot what i skipped kiaelf for

[craggy sentinel]

with ss chen*

[steep axle]

i think it was HoTr since i skipped her too

[craggy sentinel]

s chen you still gotta do it

[strange crystal]

Ohh. SS Chen?!

Okay. Thanks. I don't have any more questions now lmao

[craggy sentinel]

i literally said that like 3 times already

[main goblet]

i mean even in other cases using wp isnt a big dmg loss

[craggy sentinel]

also wrong channel for account related advices/help

#👶beginner-help #💁gameplay-help next time

[main goblet]

yea

[steep axle]

i cant send my silly stickers

[strange crystal]

Oks thanks

[main goblet]

imagine someone sees the new messages in here and think its 8.5 news until they read the msgs \

[steep axle]

i come here for like any talk at all
get jumpscared when actual beta stuff is sent

[strange crystal]

Well, the above just talking about Chenxue AOP and as far as I read it, the first two bullets are for S-rank, there's the "Supports just have to use Ult" part

Anyway, I won't say anything anymore. I already got answers. Thanks. I'll keep those reminders in mind.

[main goblet]

u do know that other channels exist but u still like lurking here

[steep axle]

if supports just have to use ult does that mean i can
ykw ill find that out later this week

[steep axle]

i had 3 channels one got deleted

[main goblet]

uh wdym?
if u hide the channels here u can add them back
anyways im saying not to be afraid to use the right channels lmao, no one will bite you

[steep axle]

im scared of honkai-chat
and i think my tablet is overheating again see yall maybe tomorrow

[main goblet]

well dont be youll be fine btw, take the step its ok
report someone if theyre legit harassing you
anyways cya leave ur tablet to cool off

[craggy sentinel]

the legendary complaint channel

[main goblet]

i wasnt too long in this server so

[craggy sentinel]

i forgor the name of it but it was so so so bad while it lasted

[main goblet]

oh

[craggy sentinel]

it just wasnt good

[craggy sentinel]

they did anything but posting actual informative complaints

[main goblet]

well its good to know its deleted now..

u can tell me more im curious , not in this channel tho

[atomic coral]

was it the vent channel

[shrewd socket]

ill make u gud

[shrewd socket]

vent ≠ feedback

[craggy sentinel]

OH YEAHH

i still remember accidentally clicking on it and seeing the guy who keeps on posting kiamei simp messages

[steep axle]

no the older deleted one

i forgot to do hsr dailies

[gleaming imp]

They were so real for that

[small wing]

Still no CN beta news?

[desert lily]

Valk hasn't been revealed yet

[noble cobalt]

I think it’ll be double S Ely and Selee possibly Seele being the free one assuming that they’re still willing to do double S patches

The last “double S” was 7.3 and I don’t count dkey updates since the point of double S is that there’s two entirely new Valkyries

[final locust]

how was 7.3 a double S patch 😭

[noble cobalt]

That’s why I used quotation marks, it sort of counted as one since there was 1 S and 2 A

And it makes sense timeline wise since double S comes around every 9-10 patches and 7.3 was 9 after 6.4

[ember locust]

Yeah no chance

They stopped doing that since long ago

[desert lily]

S rank and Stellar Key likely really

[ember locust]

And like I said, Seele didn't even had a major role in neither event or story yet

[desert lily]

She was png also

[noble cobalt]

I wouldn’t say no chance unless they outright say that there will never be a double S rank patch again

Until then it’s just “unlikely”

[smoky lintel]

and they made 1 A rank completly free and the other one useless after 1 patch, the tripple release was really just to get a full p2 team at the start

[desert lily]

If they only released Sena
You would had to use P1 with her

[noble cobalt]

If that then the case then I hope they at least stop doing the global atk bonus because that’s gonna get ridiculous after a while

[desert lily]

[smoky lintel]

spoiler they won't

that's the selling point

[desert lily]

Yeah

Stellar Key still a Divine Key

[ember locust]

That shit is old, they didn't release a double since 1.x...

Plus the "double S release" now is just DK + New valk soo

[desert lily]

Mhm

[noble cobalt]

I would be fine if they did an S rank and then at least gave out the stellar key Valk for free but it’s hoyo so I would hope but not expect them to do it

[ember locust]

They won't since we just got a DK Box

Through spending

Well I think they won't

But since we're kinda in a special case now

[smoky lintel]

they literally gave HoHe away for free and Hofi was in the spending, ofc spending technically isnt fine but i think it's alright

[desert lily]

^

Don't necessarily have a pattern on who's getting a stellar key either

[ember locust]

Plus their stamps are literally farmable

Free SS at least from Orb Witch shop and BP

[smoky lintel]

stamps don't do shit if you don't have the valk

their point was more about getting the valk not ranking them

[ember locust]

Ik but they're still farmable nonetheless

[ember locust]

Indeed

[noble cobalt]

Yah if next update is a stellar key I hope the valk is free and not 20k crystal wall “free”

[ember locust]

I mean there's no much Herrschers left lmao... The most likely to get one rn is HoRb

And HoTr is unlikely to get one

[final locust]

HoTr and HoO staring at u from the corner

[desert lily]

Of whom was in the last spending

[noble cobalt]

Maybe they’ll start double double S again once they run out of p1 valks with cohesive enough kits to give a stellar key to… in 5 years …

[final locust]

HoRb

[ember locust]

HoO got buffed by Waxing Moon, same for HoTr. Plus stigma buff

[desert lily]

Yes
She was in the CNY spending

[final locust]

• waxing moon does not buff HoTr
• HoTr's stigma buff was terrible

[ember locust]

They woon't... Literally bc of the current situation of the game kn status and finances

[ember locust]

They still did nonetheless, they won't touch them again when both of them are mainly supports for Kiana who is the main DPS

[final locust]

trio is 6ft under tho

[ember locust]

And will stay 6ft underfoot

[desert lily]

Only boss they have appearing really is IMG flower

[final locust]

that's the only boss they have period

[ember locust]

Exactly they lost all their bosses

Well except Bull with HoO

[desert lily]

Yeah

RS didn't really take them all tbf

[ember locust]

But Bull is never gonna rerun or very unlikely

[ember locust]

She's in the same case as that old Dudu IMG battlesuit

[desert lily]

Yeah

[ember locust]

Cannot take the other IMG bosses as they're mainly in the physical DPS field and so... They get more Physical weathers than truely IMG weathers

Like the only true IMG boss for her was HoDomi

[desert lily]

Yeah

It being a Phys weather

[ember locust]

There's literally no reason to revive Trio anyway, they're already way too behind in meta, except HoFi as a support for RoO

[final locust]

mate that would be a reason to buff them 😭

[desert lily]

Gonna agree here
Don't even have Trio, most of the time I'm dead on IMG flower

[ember locust]

Giving them stats won't do much to them, they're too old. Like HoTr is gonna turn 3yo in a few months and was only made for support purposes and she's useless everywhere now except Trio.

HoO has been free 2 times + now Reserve...

[final locust]

it wouldn't be just a statstick, that's not what stellar keys are
HoTr and HoO dkeys are not impossible at all

[desert lily]

Heck Hoyo advertised her as an Ice support when it's really the other way around Ice supports her instead

[noble cobalt]

But I can’t see what the future alternative to double S could be, we have like 5-7 p1 valks left that have kits strong enough to work with a stellar key

Oops meant to reply to an earlier message

[final locust]

advertised who as an ice support?

[desert lily]

HoTr

[final locust]

i don't think HoTr was ever advertised as an ice support

[desert lily]

She was in BP

[final locust]

an ice DPS yeah

[final locust]

i think that means ice type support

not supports ice, she is an ice support

[noble cobalt]

Eh I could only see them doing that after hare, horb, fov, Luna, and maybe the S rank flame chasers get a stellar key

[final locust]

hare dkey that's not happening
LV ok, HoRb probably, everyone else that's not entirely likely

[ember locust]

They're very unlikely to happen. Stellar Keys are supposed to give them a new purpose. They won't give literally whale group a new DK when two valks out of 3 were released at the same time.

Plus, at the rythm we're getting DK boxes and Stellar Keys, the Trio will be way too old... Even an AR won't suffice at this point

For them

[cyan badger]

...wait isn't that exactly what happened for both stellar keys lol?

[noble cobalt]

I mean, I wouldn’t put it past them to keep making stellar keys until there aren’t any more p1 valks left… the global atk bonus would get people to pull no matter how crap the Valkyrie is

[final locust]

how would an AR not suffice 😭 it revamps the entirety of their kit and gives them new scalings and support capabilities
HoH:E was 3 years old when she got her key and she's a busted ass DPS
plus a pretty good support

[ember locust]

No valk has gotten another second chance after a second chance and that will NEVER happen

[smoky lintel]

hohe's a shit support outside of GoI

[vale granite]

Saying HoHE is a busted DPS is a very interesting take

[ember locust]

Ely's only good support is GoI 💀💀 and I'm saying this as a Ely simp

[final locust]

she's just niche

[noble cobalt]

And then when they run out of p1 Valks they’ll just make p2 stellar keys and give p2 valks extra support tags

[final locust]

she is a very good DPS they just don't run her weather like ever

[smoky lintel]

no she's literally just not good even on cope teams with fws on fire tank what is her gimick sparkle was better

[final locust]

gimmick is weakpoint

[desert lily]

She's shit in LoA and WoD

[vale granite]

She's noticeably worse than other options outside of her own content

[final locust]

same for RS with shieldbreak but her shieldbreak doesn't work in WoD for some reason

[final locust]

i know

[vale granite]

Vita DPS is better (even before the 8.4 upgrade), trio is better, Thele DPS is better

[desert lily]

WoD doesn't need shield break

[ember locust]

Busted maybe not she's great at her weathers in DPS

[final locust]

yeah cuz of thele

[noble cobalt]

Mmmm… would you consider spending event rewards to be “free”?

[ember locust]

Shit at support when it comes to WoD. DPS WoD is nice, nothing more

[smoky lintel]

her buff numbers are still ass that's the only thing holding her over the water, someone can be good in a niche but shit overall

[desert lily]

Yeah

[ember locust]

💀💀 Very interesting take to say Vita DPS is good when she's literally ASS at S0 as a DPS and outside of her weathers

[vale granite]

Her being ass at S0 is not an issue with Vita herself

[smoky lintel]

she's one of the best bruteforcers ?

[desert lily]

She's only good in GoI cause of the stig buffs all being the same on each GoI support (before FDD)

[mild owl]

how is thele dps better when hohe outscores on a typeless enemy in ice weather

[vale granite]

It's cuz there was a good spending event, so everyone got ranks

[ember locust]

EXACTLY WTF

[final locust]

that's why i said she was a pretty good support, she has her niche in all 3 rings being weakpoint and just happens to be a lot better in GoI than the other rings
if there is a boss with weakpoint HoHE gets used. that's not debatable
she is a VERY good DPS and has a fuckton of bosses, the issue is she needs SS + thelema + SS sera to tap into full potential and the weathers don't get ran because hoyo still hates ice for some reason

[vale granite]

What rank was HoHE in that case?

[final locust]

HoHE should always be assumed SS+

[vale granite]

Yes, I'm assuming that as well

[vale granite]

SS exactly

[mild owl]

she takes it at s0?

[ember locust]

https://tenor.com/view/this-ukodor-fabled42-this-post-beard-gif-17164034

[ember locust]

But saying she's a good support outside of GoI is a big NO

[smoky lintel]

i just dont think that calling her a good support is justifiable over a single niche when her buff numbers are still ass, just saying good support implies that hohe is a good support outside of that gimmick as well imo and that's just not true

[final locust]

pretty good overall

[desert lily]

Good DMG but she's slow in GoI

[smoky lintel]

call her niche support but not good

[smoky lintel]

and she's also slow compared to other supports lol

[final locust]

if i didn't call her pretty good overall i'd just be lying sorry

[vale granite]

Also, what was the enemy in question

[cyan badger]

Fair but I could have sworn Ely was a login bonus

[vale granite]

I remember comparing them on Flower

[noble cobalt]

Yeah but niche also doesn’t mean bad

[final locust]

probably benares

[mild owl]

hellmaru

[ember locust]

Typeless ? Probs Hellmaru

[desert lily]

Hellmaru

Hellmaru ran the most for HoHe

[smoky lintel]

compared to other LoA/WoD support she's just bad

[vale granite]

HoHE is better on Hellmaru cuz of the mobs

[final locust]

i hate that they only run that dumb ass fox when she has a myriad of other weathers they could run instead 😭

[ember locust]

Bc of the mobs suuuure, suuure Teammate

💀💀

[noble cobalt]

Yah I don’t deny that, but still it wouldn’t be fair to call her good OR bad overall because she has a niche that she’s strong in

[desert lily]

Houdou is Thelema only

[final locust]

because it's bio

[ember locust]

The mobs is literally a freaking handicap for HoHe but OKAY

[mild owl]

this is pretty suspicious, i really dont think for evadeless ds runs thel dps will be better

[ember locust]

Unless she's in SO or Ult state, there's no f*cking way that HoHe is advantageous with mobs around 💀💀

[vale granite]

Actually, speaking of Hellmaru, lemme check smth

There was another Hellmaru with BIO mobs

[noble cobalt]

HoH could pretty be easily saved if they did a paws moment again and gave messenger Ely a special passive that super buffs her when HoHe is in the team

[ember locust]

We literally DON'T know about if a new Ely is releasing

[noble cobalt]

She would still go from really niche to slightly less niche but still good for her …

[ember locust]

💀💀💀

[final locust]

it's not like hellmaru is HoHE's only boss

[mild owl]

selfcest passive would be crazy

[final locust]

it's just the only one they run. for some reason

[noble cobalt]

Is there anyone that doubts that 8.5 is a new elysia

[vale granite]

Yes, there are

(not me)

[noble cobalt]

I thought it was kinda accepted already that this was the case

[desert lily]

That is a hella specific passive

[ember locust]

That's a certified SIMP Teri × Luna moment

[noble cobalt]

A passive that has precedent nonetheless

[ember locust]

Remember SIMP Teri

[final locust]

it's not entirely unlikely if the 8.5 valk does happen to be the valentine's ely

[atomic coral]

"Flawless Recognizes Flawless- When there is another Elysia on the team: team gains 30% Total DMG"

[vale granite]

Ah, it's Symphony

[desert lily]

I don't disagree but with that passive? Unlikely

[final locust]

you forgot to add the (independent) so it's a disgustingly broken buff that she's terrible without

[vale granite]

Yeah, not good for HoHE

[noble cobalt]

And they’ve already done Valkyrie specific passives twice I don’t see why they couldn’t do it again

[ember locust]

Ah yes the Symphony Hellmaru that NEVER reran again after 8.1

And just kept Hellmaru Ice anyway

[desert lily]

8.0: Symphonic
8.1-8.3: Ice

Lol

[ember locust]

Hold on

[atomic coral]

(independent) (Exclusive)

[final locust]

i wish they'd run WoD tank, ranged kalpas, ranged tank, ranged heph, ice heph, freeze heph, etc. again so hohe could actually do something

[ember locust]

You're right on this one, my bad

[mild owl]

imagine they run symphony again and coralie beats lantern without wod tag

i'd smile

[final locust]

that'd be pretty funny

[desert lily]

I swear if they do bring that fox back for this patch, it'll be the 5th time

[noble cobalt]

A rank Coralie more meta relevant than Sena and Lantern 💔

[ember locust]

I swear Hepha would have helped Ely so much

[vale granite]

Real

[vale granite]

Thele would be even more handicapped by them

[desert lily]

Meta relevance due to FDD now

[ember locust]

LMFAO 💀💀 and more revelant than SIMP Teri too

[ember locust]

The powaaa of Permanence 💀💀

[desert lily]

Coralie making Coralie Meta again

[noble cobalt]

Sena Stellar key that gives her heavenly shift now

[final locust]

wouldnt she do the opposite

[ember locust]

💀💀

[final locust]

killed corAlie for vita dps and corAlie is a cope support for FDD

[desert lily]

Stellar key on a part 2 unit is crazy

[vale granite]

Double Cora topscored Sprout

[desert lily]

VBm is actually not bad

[ember locust]

Lantern defo finishing in the same class as Sicringe

[noble cobalt]

I mean they’re gonna run out of part 1 valks sooner or later… and there’s already p2 valks that are kind of bad and could use a boost

[final locust]

what the fuck do u mean

[ember locust]

💀💀💀 Vita getting killed at her own game

[desert lily]

Vita, FDD, VBm?

[vale granite]

Vita FDD VBm was better than Vita FDD HoFi

[desert lily]

Damn

[final locust]

how lmao

[mild owl]

vbm is god

[ember locust]

VBM stigs buffed LOOOOL

[final locust]

oh they were?

[ember locust]

Yuh uh

[noble cobalt]

So HoFi fast reso trigger got washed by badum and now her vita team usage got washed by dragoon? 😭

[final locust]

no this is only 1 boss

[noble cobalt]

Oh

[final locust]

LP/FDD/HFI is still bita's best team afaik
probably some weird shenanigan with VBm that allowed her to do this

[desert lily]

HoFi sees use on Spork with a Fire weather

[ember locust]

Pretty sure Marisa has shown them

[vale granite]

They were, but the buffs are not applicable to Vita DPS at all

[smoky lintel]

vbm has more SO dmg

[vale granite]

They just give more Ignite and Bleed DMG if RoO is active now

[final locust]

how the fuck

[desert lily]

More useful for FDD

[ember locust]

Buffs included additionnal Bleed, Ignite buffs

[desert lily]

(and upcoming RoO Bleed)

Whenever that'll be

[final locust]

so many bleed buffs lately

[noble cobalt]

Btw lantern has physical and crit buffs for world star valks im gonna cope on that forever

[final locust]

passive PS buffs ijbol

[atomic coral]

ded buffs

[noble cobalt]

Lantern will return one day

[ember locust]

💀💀💀 If the next valk is somehow RoO Bleed I swear...

[final locust]

im sick of RoO
no more

[desert lily]

[vale granite]

(HoFi got that too btw)

And Vita

[desert lily]

Vita, HoFi, and VBm

[ember locust]

Everyone in the RoO did

[desert lily]

Was added this patch

[final locust]

ugh stop releasing RoO

i am actually so sick of them pls can we get more WS or something

[desert lily]

We barely have any though

[final locust]

we have 4

[desert lily]

One's a DKey

[final locust]

im not sure why that matters 😭

[ember locust]

I'm gonna be the devil advocate for this one but they only have 2 true valks currently

[atomic coral]

people were begging for another RoO valk for vita dps

[noble cobalt]

looks at lanterns phys and crit WS buffs

[ember locust]

2 S ranks

[final locust]

4 valks are RoO

[ember locust]

And one is A rank kekw

[desert lily]

[final locust]

that does not matter they are still boring RoO valks
i want WS or GoI or new ring

[mild owl]

why did they even bother giving lantern crit ws buffs if they just add buffs when a new valk is released anyway

[vale granite]

And she didn't completely boot VBm

[noble cobalt]

An A rank more meta relevant than like 4 S ranks, I think A Coralie deserves to count as a Valk

[final locust]

so that sena can crit of course

[ember locust]

One is a DK and one is A rank lmfao. Still only 2 S valks

[final locust]

that's 3 S valks

[vale granite]

Tbf I think you're overestimating her meta relevance

[noble cobalt]

She’ll probably just be slot 3 and then a new valk will be the main buffer for physical ws

[vale granite]

I only know of 1 case where VBm is actually the best option

[desert lily]

HoIce?

[noble cobalt]

I’m not saying she’s like… actually good but she’s good enough to count towards the number of RoO valks

[vale granite]

She's better on HoI too?

[desert lily]

Fire weather

[ember locust]

You do know that they don't take in account the DK into the ARs right ? Like they didn't releases the same AR type valks unless there is 3 valks with AR with no DK ?

[desert lily]

I believe

[final locust]

HoI is ignite weather

[ember locust]

💀💀

[desert lily]

Oh

[final locust]

what??

[noble cobalt]

I think they mean that hoyo usually releases 3 entirely new valks for an AR before moving onto the next one

[ember locust]

They don't stop releasing new valks in AR type unless there is 3 new valks in the same AR

[final locust]

HoFi is an RoO valk
idk what point you're trying to make
the dkey made her RoO. she is RoO now. it doesn't matter that she wasn't originally RoO because she is now

[desert lily]

That is the usual pattern

[ember locust]

WoS : Sena, Sparkle, SIMP
WoD : Songque, Lantern, Thelema
LoA : Dudu, Kiana, Sushang
RoO : Vita, Cora
GoI : Helia

[final locust]

wtf is WoS

[desert lily]

World of Star

[ember locust]

You literally don't get shit... 💀💀

[ember locust]

^^

Look at this and you will understand

Tell me what you notice ?

[noble cobalt]

I wouldn’t say that they don’t count HoFi and HoHe as AR valks… the whole 3 new valk thing is a loose precedent not a stone solidified law

A general method to follow but they can break out of it whenever they want

[ember locust]

||Normally you notice by now that they stopped releasing new valks in the ARs once they have 3 new valls in that AR (without counting the DK ones). The DK doesn't matter in the AR releases plan||

[ember locust]

Exactly but it's still a pattern nonetheless. Plus I have to remind you they have to release 12 AR types

💀💀

Ofc they won't focus on the same AR type forever

[noble cobalt]

I don’t see the 12 ARs being a problem if they plan for p2 to last as long as p1

[vale granite]

I don't think they do

[noble cobalt]

I’ll eat my words if they release exactly 3 Valkyries for every AR and never add a new one until the end of part 2 but for now I’m still going to say that hoyo counts HoFi and HoHe as RoO and WoD

[vale granite]

Art means that dkeys are outside of the pattern

[ember locust]

They're not planning for that.

[vale granite]

And A-ranks

[ember locust]

FINALLY

[final locust]

stop trying to apply method to hoyo's madness
there's no pattern, it's hoyo, they just release whatever they want to

[ember locust]

Someone gets it

[noble cobalt]

Do you mean this as in EOS or do you mean this as in part 3

Off topic question

[vale granite]

Anyway, I think that we haven't had enough time to actually establish a solid pattern anyway

Cuz they went 2 WS + RoO -> 3 WoD -> WS -> 2 RoO -> WS -> 3 LoA -> GoI -> RoO

[ember locust]

Not necesarily EOS

[noble cobalt]

Well, there IS a pattern, it’s just that it’s a very loose pattern and there is nothing whatsoever that says hoyo has to follow it

[vale granite]

Yes

[ember locust]

Try again

[desert lily]

Just that we'll still get 2 more GoI regardless

[ember locust]

And read what Teamate said

[noble cobalt]

Well only 3 things could happen when p2 ends, EOS, part 3, or they stop updating the game but allow us to continue playing it

[atomic coral]

apho 3 trust

[final locust]

if there was an actual pattern we would have already had 3 separate S rank release RoO valks by now
the ring released in 7.3

[noble cobalt]

RoO is a wild card AR so I think it makes sense that they didn’t abide the pattern

[vale granite]

RoO could be an exception ring, which would make sense

Anyway, we need 1-2 more AR to tell for sure imo

[final locust]

they also didn't abide by you guys' prophesized "pattern" for WS or GoI either

[vale granite]

At the very least let's see what we get in 8.5

[noble cobalt]

Yeah they did, they just didn’t do it consecutively

[ember locust]

I think it's gonna be literally the same as GGZ... We might fall into EOS for GLB servers one day, definitely... They are losing more on GLB than on CN

[noble cobalt]

They did release 3 WS valks before stopping and they did release 3 (new) WoD valks before stopping just not all at the same time

[final locust]

we've literally only had b2b triple release for 2 rings so far
there is no method to hoyo it's just valk after valk with whichever ring hoyo feels like releasing

[vale granite]

The fact that they didn't go over 3 or 4 is still true though

At least for now

[ember locust]

Surely. RoO is an atypical case here, specially since the whole gimmick of this AR is triggering the lead whatever the AR type they have

[final locust]

we're already almost halfway through the amount of rings they plan to release

[noble cobalt]

I’m not entirely sure, basically the only cost to maintain global is text translation so I don’t think they’ll take it down any time soon

[vale granite]

Jeez, don't scare me like that

[desert lily]

[final locust]

p2 is 2.5 yrs old

[vale granite]

Hosting servers? Customer support?

[ember locust]

They're right : WoS, WoD, RoO, LoA, GoI. It's been 5 out of 12 in the span of a year and half

[noble cobalt]

I mean yes hi3 will EoS one day, just like GI, HSR, ZZZ, and even Nexus Anima will EoS one day. But I don’t think it’s time yet to talk about it seriously

[ember locust]

1.5

[final locust]

eh close enough

if they keep doing the 1 ring per year schedule after LoA it will take some years

[ember locust]

That shit is going to happen, especially with how long patches are now

Horrible to wait 2 months just for 3h of story and 300 crystals

[noble cobalt]

1 ring a year… it’s hard to deny that hi3 is on the decline

[atomic coral]

speedrun some rings "new valk is 2 new rings in one"

[vale granite]

Nah, it's around half a year per ring

[noble cobalt]

HoRb stellar key… I can see it happening

[untold marsh]

1 ring per year? that math isnt mathing

p2 is 1.5 years old, 3 rings out so what teammate said

[final locust]

after LoA

[vale granite]

This convo is a mess xdd

[ember locust]

It's impossible to deny it, HI3rd is literally on the decline ever since the Moon Arc ended

[vale granite]

Better get out while you still can

[final locust]

HI3 is on the decline but EoS is highly unlikely as hoyo has more than enough money to keep it going
plus they really like this game

[untold marsh]

i've wanted to hop in like... 8 times now but figured i was going to make things worse and bring up lore so i stopped myself xD

[vale granite]

We don't know about the last part atp

[noble cobalt]

This is pointless speculation at this point but I think part 2 would have done more to save the game if they added an English dub and more engaging endgame modes

[final locust]

they would have shut it down already if they didn't like it

[vale granite]

And if HI3 ever stops profiting it's likely gone

[vale granite]

They still are making money

And a lot of it

[ember locust]

This is literally NOT a speculation when you literally see the rentability stats and the playerbase stats patch after patch

[vale granite]

Relative to how much they spend I mean

[final locust]

yeah on the CN side

[ember locust]

ENG Dub wouldn't save this game, clearly not

[final locust]

but even if HI3 revenue went almost stagnant the monstrosities that are ZZZ HSR and GI can easily keep it going
and soon, honkai nexus anima

[vale granite]

Yes, on Global too
They don't need to spend as much on Global

Translate, host the servers, train and pay CS etc.

[desert lily]

Too much time also for them to do ENG dub

[noble cobalt]

Save? No… helped a little bit? I think it would have

[vale granite]

The main things are alr done on the CN side

[untold marsh]

is a big mess though, buncha speculation being assumed as facts (with ely, i wont be surprised but i like a little more officialness before i spread around info)

the usual hi3 dedge and kinda hyperfocusing a little too hard on AR types, despite how there likely wont be a lore reason for them soon outside of gameplay fitting in with the current combat system.

[ember locust]

The GLB community is literally like comparing a spec to a giant compared to CN like..

[noble cobalt]

There is nothing they could do that would bring hi3 anywhere close in profitability to their other games, but they definitely could have done a little more

The only thing they could do to bring this game to average Hoyo profit levels is to re release it as Honkai impact 4th lol

[untold marsh]

we do know that they dont take money from other projects to keep something afloat. games have to make it on their own and unless they're collab'ing they cant just take a ton of money from HSR to keep HI3 going when the return of investement would be much higher if they put that same money in the game where they got it from.

the only games funding other games they do is when they make new ones

[final locust]

there's just no reason for HI3 to EoS in the near future unless Dawei decides to kill the team and shut down the servers for some reason. their other games can keep it going

[vale granite]

The last part just doesn't make sense from a business perspective

But yes, I do agree otherwise

[final locust]

i'm sure if it came down to using the tiniest fraction of their HSR revenue to keep Hi3 going they'd do it

[gleaming imp]

I think hi3 can keep going with doing more hsr collabs to bait hsr players to play like sparkle did

[final locust]

HSR is already strategic in forcing their players to spend money since 3.0 dropped lmao

[vale granite]

That's purely your opinion unfortunately

[final locust]

most of those HSR players quit like a week after joining

[untold marsh]

But yeah hi3 isn't going to Eos. I've been hearing cries of EOS since 2020

[gleaming imp]

Hsr is extremely f2p friendly, I literally got e5s1 Saber and e2s1 archer f2p

[noble cobalt]

If Dawei still has passion for hi3 I don’t see why he wouldn’t just extract Genshin funds to keep hi3 running

[gleaming imp]

Keyword most, a small bit retains and plays still

[final locust]

if extremely F2P friendly is 1 event per banner half

[vale granite]

That's a very big if, that's the issue

[untold marsh]

Maybe they will, maybe they won't

[atomic coral]

the whole point is to get people to stay

[gleaming imp]

Every bit helps

[untold marsh]

Because he's not the sole leader of the company? He can't make decisions like that on his own

[noble cobalt]

I’m not sure it’s that big of an if, making part 2 in the first place was not financially worth it and they would have been better off eosing the game

[vale granite]

Making Part 2 was an attempt to draw more players

It flopped cuz of terrible beginner experience

[final locust]

idk i feel like if i had a multibillion dollar company i'd want to keep my first "big" project afloat but that's just me and i'm not dawei

[vale granite]

Companies are often very heartless

I think you should know that

[final locust]

of course

[noble cobalt]

Well, tears of themis’ global server is still up so I don’t see hi3 global being threatened any time soon

[vale granite]

iirc ToT actually earns more money than HI3? Could be capping rn

[final locust]

if ToT glb EoS's that might actually mean something for the HI3 glb EoS doomposters

[untold marsh]

I don't think anyone in this conversation actually seriously thinks hi3 will EOS in the near future

[final locust]

there's like 20 people that play that shit

[vale granite]

I don't think that's the point of the convo anyway

[gleaming imp]

I play it only for my queen Rosa since she's so 🛐

[noble cobalt]

Hi3 is paid for by CN whales anyways as long as that holds true then we’ll be ok

[vale granite]

The point is whether it will EoS at all (assuming Hoyo stays a successful company)

[final locust]

the CN HI3 community is actually quite big, it's almost just as popular as their other 3 games over there

[untold marsh]

In CN I think it made more on paws patch yeah

[vale granite]

[untold marsh]

No idea about outside that

[noble cobalt]

Yeah, wasn’t the point of p2 to attract more global players anyways? Hi3 does mot have popularity shortcomings in CN

Maybe money shortcomings but not popularity

[vale granite]

Yes, and I alr mentioned why that didn't really work

At least 1 of the reasons

I'm sure there are more that I couldn't see

[noble cobalt]

I know this has already been asked and answered but if the point was to attract more global players they really should’ve taken the leap of faith with the English dub… it’s a very big deal to be able to understand what your characters are saying

[vale granite]

It would require dubbing the entirety of P1 story

[atomic coral]

that's way more work and money than you think it costs

[vale granite]

Which is a lot of work and money, yes

[final locust]

well they could have just made the dub for p2 onwards

[vale granite]

The most of beginner experience is playing P1 story

[noble cobalt]

At that point why even try to attract global players when you’re not gonna do one of like the top 3 things that global players need in a game

[atomic coral]

the game makes you start from part 1 anyway

[final locust]

i still havent done the majority of my p1 story

[vale granite]

Maybe, but you're a sample size of 1

[atomic coral]

having en dubs from p2 onwards sounds jarring

[untold marsh]

I personally hate English dub, i turn it off as fast as I can lol but if they did it for one part they'd need to do it for the rest to be consistent

[vale granite]

Also, the JP dub here isn't particularly impressive here anyway, imagine how ass the EN one would be

[ember locust]

Def not the near future

[final locust]

i dont like EN Dub either, but i do sometimes wish i actually knew what my valks were saying xd

[noble cobalt]

Maybe I’m being too critical here but there is no universe in which giving teams more flexibility via the astral rings was gonna give Hi3 the global attention that hoyo wanted, they needed to make playing as a beginner not insufferable, at least add another endgame mode, and make it so global players know what their characters are saying lol

[vale granite]

Beginner experience absolutely

That's the last thing that one would want, another fucking gamemode

[untold marsh]

Pretty sure the AR mechanic was to modernize hi3 so it's not dragging it down, not part 2's main selling point

[vale granite]

Essentially 2 contradicts with 1 imo

[ember locust]

I agree. I don't mind ENG Dub, it depends on the VA and the cars really

On the acting

[atomic coral]

hi3's selling points are supposed to be characters, story and combat

[final locust]

to sell renamed ELF at a higher price and make them even more of a necessity than before*

[noble cobalt]

I don’t work in corporate so I’m not learned at this but wouldn’t the solution be to use the same English dubs that like zzz or hsr uses lol, they have great dubs

[vale granite]

Do they? I very quickly switched to JP after hearing EN

In HSR

[untold marsh]

That also wasn't the main point in the reveal though

[vale granite]

No clue about ZZZ

[vale granite]

Could just be my preference tbf

[ember locust]

I mean... Ngl, it would help to support the waiting time more 💀, 8 weeks with the same amount if not less content... It's annoying ngl

[vale granite]

Or maybe the fact that I played HI3 beforehand

[noble cobalt]

I’d say the majority still use English dub in all 3 of the hoyo big 3

And if they don’t, there’s still the option to understand what your character is saying

[atomic coral]

nah most switch immediately

[ember locust]

I'm pretty sure the cost was higher for the ELF system, it was maybe less crystals but still 100 pulls

[vale granite]

To prepare for HSR and quit the latter after playing 1.0 story 🗿

[noble cobalt]

I might come off as slightly condescending here so know that not my intent, but do you think that the hoyo big 3 would be as globally successful as they are if there was no available English dub?

[ember locust]

Now it's 2,8k for 10 and 60 max

[vale granite]

(to be clear, I quit for gameplay reasons)

[ember locust]

Unless it was less than 2k

[atomic coral]

it's cool that it's there but most people switch languages anyway

[vale granite]

Probably not, but they needed to make a name of themselves as a company

HSR would be successful imo, for example

They alr made a name with GI

[noble cobalt]

We can say the two are equally popular. Neither of us can fairly proclaim “most” without statisitcs

[vale granite]

Maybe a lil bit less, but not as much as you think

[ember locust]

ZZZ is doing well too ngl

[noble cobalt]

And yeah an English dub wasn’t gonna save hi3 on its own obviously but I don’t think it’s fair to deny that it would help bring new players, even if basically 100% of older players would remain JP dub

[ember locust]

One other thing you have to take in account is that it's a 8 years old, nearly 9 years old gacha game

It's really rare to see a old gacha game still surviving at this age

[noble cobalt]

That’s true, and if p2 never came out in the first place then of course I would never suggest adding English because there would be no point. However p2 does exist and the point was to attract global attention

[ember locust]

One of the only case I've seen like this is Dokkan and it's carried by the OST, the animations and bc it's Dragon Ball

[untold marsh]

It's about cost. En dub would help. Idk if it would help to the cost of redubbing and redoing the 1000+ cgs and hundreds of hours of dialogue

[atomic coral]

the main issue is still the beginner experience, why would i go through a game where I have to trust that it gets better when I could just play a game that starts better

[ember locust]

Yes but that would be expensive as well

Noticeably for how many players there is really

[vale granite]

Delayed vs instant gratification

[noble cobalt]

I would say dub AR valks + stellar key valks retroactively when they come out. Start the story from part 2 chapter 1 and make part 1 story optional, yes it would be jarring but it would only be jarring if you actively sought out p1 gameplay

[vale granite]

Also most peeps wouldn't even know that it becomes better

[ember locust]

That and the fact that the game is rather centered around combat (competitive) and lore rather than experience and chill gaming

[noble cobalt]

I get that a lot of the things I’m saying would cost a lot of work and money, but then also why even try to get more global attention when you aren’t prepared to do what it takes to achieve that

Hi3 literally has less global attention than before

[vale granite]

I think it's fairly obvious that they were either ignorant of the problems with the game and/or the budget was limited

[ember locust]

Thing is either budget was limited or they were in deny of the problems

And that's without talking about the same f*cking error they did since Moon Arc : rushing the god damn story

💀💀

[noble cobalt]

Yah, I think they could’ve taken more player feedback pre-p2 launch rather than just saying “ok we’re gonna go make this now. See you when it’s out”

[vale granite]

The player feedback wouldn't do much

It takes a good amount of understanding of the game (and helping other beginners) to really understand the issues

[ember locust]

They only care about CN players feedback really

[vale granite]

At least imo

[vale granite]

Also that, ye

[muted mauve]

What's going on here

[vale granite]

You don't want to know

[noble cobalt]

Well that’s massive mistake number 1, trying to attract global attention while not asking global players what they want lol

[untold marsh]

or p1 characters/valk list, or wondered what was going on because the p2 story start relied on world building from p1. i guess if they tried their best to like actively hide anything related to the last 8 years it might have worked yeah

dubbing only one part will absolutely be jarring to everyone that plays eventually

[untold marsh]

something i should have yeeted to off topic ages ago now that i think about it

[muted mauve]

Not true.

Don't understand why all servers claim another receives all the care

[vale granite]

It's still fully relevant to HI3

So I disagree

[ember locust]

Idk we derived from CN spoilers and stuff to speculation then AR types THEN the state of the game and critics about the game... Somehow in the span of an hour

[noble cobalt]

I feel like when I come into CN most of the time the discussion isn’t about CN exclusive content

[vale granite]

Not #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion? Maybe

Still fine imo

[noble cobalt]

If a mod tells us that this isn’t the place for this topic then yah can’t argue against that but I don’t see anything wrong with it

[untold marsh]

true, honkai chat really

[untold marsh]

its not, which is a problem to me because its not the channels description or purpose and im a stickler for channel use following but just because i have a problem with it doesnt mean anything

[ember locust]

There's some signs that tends to it... And that's not the only game who has that problem, even outside Hoyoverse

[noble cobalt]

Agreed, I think if they only cared about CN feedback then p2 would not be a thing because I’m fairly sure that CN was not on board with it… someone correct me if I’m mistaken here

[ember locust]

And I wouldn't say they 100% care about GLB servers either

[noble cobalt]

That’s also true

[vale granite]

Until CN reported fish skip they didn't give a shit about it at all
Same with other bugs afaik

[untold marsh]

but it mainly went AR type predictions > EOS doom (of the why it wont happen variety but the topic is still EOS doom) > what everyone's personal opinions on what could have saved part 2, or people debating those opinions mainly.

[ember locust]

^^ These are some examples

[noble cobalt]

Although I wouldn’t be surprised if they, in the future, only cared about CN feedback since part 2 is the one time they swung to global and it flopped tremendously

[still vine]

so how much does dragon coralie do in her stellar shift support rotation

[ember locust]

You replied to the wrong msg

[untold marsh]

I didnt want to reply to the same message twice, so i picked their next one

[atomic coral]

in LoA? WA,Ult,switch

[noble cobalt]

I think they meant how much damage she deals

[still vine]

i did in fact mean rotation

we don't even do the fire breath?

[noble cobalt]

Oh…

[ember locust]

Like Teammate said, if each GLB feedback was really all taken in account, there would be more changes and surely there wouldn't be bugs that runs for several patches around

[noble cobalt]

You do, she pauses the timer during the fire breath you don’t loose anything by doing it

[still vine]

oh

[atomic coral]

you didn't do the tutorial that gives crystals?

[ember locust]

💀💀 Fishskip has been a thing for like.. 2 to 3 patches

[still vine]

too little crystals for too much time wasted, would rather read guide online

[ember locust]

Weirdly around FWS release

[vale granite]

The time stop is only during the last part of it

[noble cobalt]

I think it should’ve stayed tbh why is JD so slow in WoD

[atomic coral]

just give her full bar on qte

like in LoA

[noble cobalt]

Really? I could have sworn she pauses the score during the whole fire breath… I’ll have to check

[vale granite]

Oh, the charging up part too

Where she gets ready to breathe

[final locust]

she has a lot of timestop

what vita could've (and should've) been with her combo 💔

[noble cobalt]

Whenever her divine key rolls around in 20 years

Or literally just buff her if a new WoD comes out and the ring becomes relevant again

[final locust]

her WoD buffs are really good

that's the thing
it's just extremely slow to get her combo and stellar shift

[vale granite]

Whose, JDS's?

[final locust]

yeah they're super good

[sweet sleet]

guys, they probably wont make another aop so soon, right?

[final locust]

every time a new ring releases a new aop releases 1 or 2 patches after

[vale granite]

As a support? That's why she's on the lower side compared to other options?

[noble cobalt]

The point of aops is that their elfs but they take more of your money so I wouldn’t put it past them to make another one immediately

[final locust]

shes on the lower side bcuz of how slow she is

[ember locust]

STOP with the ass takes 💀

JDS is only used as a support is SD content for LOA

Plus her support abilities are definitely not the best, Sena does a better job at it, and so is Vita 💀💀

[vale granite]

I meant buff-wise as well

[desert lily]

Aka badum

[final locust]

i urge you to go read her buffs

she's in the middle of the road for WoD

sena, thele, vita better
lantern, rs, hohe, teri worse

[noble cobalt]

If only her stellar drain didn’t take 3 years to get

[ember locust]

Absolutely NOT

💀💀

[final locust]

buff wise yes. read another possibility

[vale granite]

Nvm, not on the lower side, in the middle as you've said

Yeah, that's a fair take

[noble cobalt]

Is she good because she’s good or is she good because the majority of WoD buffers are really bad …

[vale granite]

I forgot there are options like Teri without Zaychik

[final locust]

both

her buffs are not bad at all. they're great

her stellar drain takes about 3 eons to farm is all

[vale granite]

You don't need her Stellar Drain in WoD

[noble cobalt]

But she still has buffs that activate on her combo

[final locust]

you do when playing her as DPS

all of her buffs are active upon QTE entry. the issue is you have to wait for teammate CD to finish to swap back so it's just kinda awkward for a couple seconds after QTE because her drain isn't readily accessible like all the other WoD supports except vita

[vale granite]

On the first rot it's fast enough
On the rots after SO it could be even slower and it wouldn't matter

[noble cobalt]

There’s not precedent for it besides a dkey but I think that JDS should just get buffed when a new WoD comes out

[final locust]

well she didn't get buffed when HoHE came out

even if they made her function exactly how she does in LoA, sena and thele would simply be better

[vale granite]

Unless you have SS Sera for the first one

[noble cobalt]

Well yeah but she would be a lot of a more viable option if you happen to not have one of those

Isn’t the point of the AR team flexibility is that there are other options if you lack the best ones

[final locust]

unless fish skip pushed her ahead of everybody else. again

[ember locust]

There's a reason as to why Thelema is literally the best WoD valk at all

[vale granite]

Yes, and that is being fulfilled

[vale granite]

Even in Nirvana

[noble cobalt]

The queen of a pile of garbage

[vale granite]

Lacking a supp is relatively fine if you don't need their utility

[vale granite]

Lacking the DPS is tough though, but that's not an issue with the AR system

[vale granite]

At least in EU/NA, not sure about SEA and above

[final locust]

how much phybreach does FDD have

[vale granite]

Same as Vita at S2

Lemme check

[noble cobalt]

I guess so… although I wouldn’t say “not an issue” since if you use a DPS besides the intended one you’re going to either +0 or just derank

[final locust]

+0 is fine

[vale granite]

I meant it's not the AR system's fault

[ember locust]

Lantern is freaking useless almost everytime, JDS DPS is mid without Sera SS and her support is good only in LoA for SD content, aka FWS Kiana bosses... Like Thelema has just the best supports in WoD if we're just counting the WoD valks, it's literally not funny at this point how Thelema wipes the f*ck out of every WoD valks, except maybe HoHe and still...

[vale granite]

As long as we keep the 1 DPS 2 supps baseline it'll always keep happening

[final locust]

thele does not wipe the floor with sena

[noble cobalt]

Yeah she’s just the best of the worst that’s all. Also I still think Lantern’s physical WS buff will come into play eventually

[ember locust]

I'm going to wipe you too if you continue to not read my msgs correctly

[noble cobalt]

Sena is not WoD

[final locust]

she has WoD tag, counts as WoD support

[noble cobalt]

I think they just mean WoD Valk

[ember locust]

Omfg

BONK deserved

[final locust]

that's not a very fair comparison then

[noble cobalt]

Saying that Thelema is the strongest WoD Valk is accurate

[ember locust]

Harmonized Shadow Star IS NOT the same thing as WoD HELLOOOOO

[noble cobalt]

That’s all they were saying I think

[final locust]

you can't be serious rn

[ember locust]

It's like saying Symbiosis is the same as GoI when it's FREAKING NOT

[noble cobalt]

Saying that Thelema is the strongest shadow star Valk is not correct, saying that Thelema is the best wheel of destiny Valk is correct

[final locust]

yeah sure ig
they all suck though

[ember locust]

^^

[final locust]

each of them have about 1 boss

[ember locust]

EXACTLY

[noble cobalt]

HoH has like 5

[final locust]

then she's the best WoD valk

[ember locust]

THANK YOU, Happily @noble cobalt is focused and following

[noble cobalt]

They acknowledged that HoH is better DPS wise

[shrewd socket]

ice tank when

[ember locust]

Hepha when TwT

[final locust]

no more tanks pls

[noble cobalt]

But p2 is a utility game and utility is better than how many bosses you have

[vale granite]

4% Ele and 13% Phys if AR is inactive (yes, you read that right)
9% Ele and 29% Phys if a non-GoI and non-LoA AR type is active
14% Ele and 45% Phys if GoI/LoA

Vita doesn't have the first one

[final locust]

45% phybreach

[ember locust]

You're comparing a TAG with a freaking AR, WTF is on your mind rn ?

[desert lily]

Sushi good

[final locust]

oh u are serious

[vale granite]

☝️ 🤓

Unironically

Should've sent 3 nerd emojis tbh

[final locust]

i think if you have basic literary analysis and comprehension skills you can tell exactly what im saying when you read that

[ember locust]

Please avoid me a headache by dealing with their ass takes

Please Teamate, save my brain

[final locust]

bro what is my RL bracket

[vale granite]

"WoD tag", while technically not being a thing, is 100% clear

[noble cobalt]

I’m confused, that he said wasn’t wrong, he LITERALLY meant only Valkyries that possess the astral ring wheel of destiny, not everyone with the shadow star support tag

If we’re debating on who the best LoA Valk is nobody is gonna bring up Vita or Sparkle because they don’t have that astral ring

[ember locust]

THANK GOD

[vale granite]

Thelema is the strongest HSS valk as a secondary support

As a primary (i. e. Breach) support it's generally Sena or Vita

[final locust]

the statement that thele is the strongest WoD valk is also kinda just false

[ember locust]

https://tenor.com/view/why-rage-smash-smile-gif-17852231

[noble cobalt]

WoD tag is a thing, when you click on the Valkyries astral ring in the character select menu it says that each astral ring is linked to a tag

[desert lily]

She is though

[vale granite]

Yes, the tag in question is Harmonized Shadow Star

But WoD is an AR type

[ember locust]

HSS is the tag

WOD is an AR Type

AR Type > TAG

[vale granite]

That's why "WoD tag" is technically not a thing

[noble cobalt]

I guess I misunderstood what you said, I thought you were saying that WoD doesn’t have a support tag and every WoD Valk just happens to coincidentally have HSS

[atomic coral]

this is mine

[vale granite]

Ah, all g then

[vale granite]

Probs just a returnee

[desert lily]

Wtf

Sviehsbsbd

[final locust]

not really i'd say HoHe is stronger generally

[desert lily]

HoHe also needs Thelema

[noble cobalt]

She has more bosses but Thelema has way more utility and utility is what matters in p2 now

[vale granite]

HoHE is very rank and AO-dependent, can't tell for sure without specifying

[final locust]

thele is super strong but that strength is really limited to WoD only

[ember locust]

I was supposed to do my dailies in HI3rd at 2 AM bc I've been outside the whole day, if I see another ass take from them. I SWEAR I'm gonna lose it

https://tenor.com/view/why-rage-smash-smile-gif-17852231

[vale granite]

I don't think their takes have been that bad

[noble cobalt]

I would say HoHe is limited to GoI only, she is terrible in WoD and LoA

[vale granite]

As a support yes

The comparison is about DPS

[desert lily]

DPS she is solid

[noble cobalt]

Oh

[final locust]

while true, she still has more bosses than thele as a WoD DPS and actually has support capabilities outside of WoD

i could get behind the claim that thele is the best WoD support for sure

[vale granite]

Secondary support that is

[desert lily]

Sena is better than Thel

[vale granite]

Sena is a primary support

[final locust]

yeah secondary support

but you're basically always going to see thele in any given WoD team

[noble cobalt]

But I would say that being a support with utility is better than being a DPS with a lot of bosses, making Thelema the best WoD Valk overall, no?

Also even if HoHe is argued as better than Thelema because of her boss count, she certainly isn’t as worth to have as Thelema

[final locust]

but the only time thele will really be used in WoD is when HoHE is present to topscore a boss

[noble cobalt]

And the only time HoHe to topscore a boss is if Thelema is present, which is why I say that Thelema’s utility outweighs her DPS capabilities

HoHe depends on Thelema more than Thelema depends on her, which is a hot take but I believe it

[final locust]

then you could say that they go hand in hand

[vale granite]

It's not a hot take

[desert lily]

Yeah HoHe needs Thelema

[vale granite]

At least in Abyss

[desert lily]

Thelema don't need HoHe though

[vale granite]

In MA she does

Not as much tbf

[noble cobalt]

Also not to mention Thelema is less time consuming/cheaper since HoHe is assumed at least SS

Which isn’t a very strong point but still a point after all

[desert lily]

Thelema wants Sena and- Lantern more I believe?

[final locust]

thele uses sena vita

[vale granite]

Definitely not Lantern

[vale granite]

(in Abyss)

[desert lily]

Ah yeah Vita

Same type

[noble cobalt]

Lantern is still best for JD dps right? For her crit buffs

[vale granite]

Not about type at all

[noble cobalt]

Or is that outdated info

[vale granite]

If you don't crit you reset

[final locust]

jds uses sena thele iirc

or vita thele

[vale granite]

Sena Thele for SD, Vita Thele for non-SD

[noble cobalt]

Then; ideal for JD dps if you don’t want to play reset impact

I’m p sure that Lantern + Sena gives 100% crit

[vale granite]

You don't play Abyss/MA in general then

[desert lily]

Sera has crit rate

[vale granite]

Yes

[vale granite]

Also yes

[final locust]

if you're playing JDS DPS atp you need to have sera at SS

[vale granite]

S is fine

[noble cobalt]

You can absolutely retain RL without resetting a lot, Nirvana probably not

[desert lily]

HoHe is the one who needs SS Sera

[vale granite]

But ye, SS is ofc nice

[final locust]

S cuts it but the buffs are horrid

[ember locust]

You are right

[vale granite]

Depends on your current skill level

[desert lily]

And bracket

[vale granite]

If you've never seen Nirv you'll be resetting in RL more often than a Nirv player in RL

[desert lily]

Literally me with this boss to get a better score than 848

[noble cobalt]

I just wait until the YouTube videos come out and I’ve maintained RL for a while and I never reset more than twice

Usually I don’t reset period

[vale granite]

Are you actually playing if you just follow a ref tho

[noble cobalt]

Yes?

[atomic coral]

don't you want to BE the ref?

[vale granite]

Tsk tsk

[noble cobalt]

No I want my gems at the end of the cycle so I can afford the next Valkyrie

[vale granite]

But why do you wanna afford the next valk?

[atomic coral]

cuz valk pretty

[final locust]

trying to improve your score and resetting constantly is one of the only forms of mild fun that are left in HI3

[noble cobalt]

And no I don’t need a YouTube video to afford the next Valkyrie but I like my score to not be garbage regardless

[vale granite]

I want them to answer

[noble cobalt]

Because I’m addicted to pulling

[vale granite]

Fair enough then

[vale granite]

[final locust]

oh yikes

are you with us mentally?

[noble cobalt]

Only Lanter’s physical WS buff can answer that

[final locust]

i hate to say it but even if a phys WS dps does come out lantern will definitely not be their BiS support 😭

[ember locust]

Jesus Christ

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-13148928981517710530

[noble cobalt]

I think she’ll at least be the best slot 3

[shrewd socket]

a very #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion i must say

[final locust]

that's a bold assumption. i respect your determination

[ember locust]

You have been lurking for a while for sure

[noble cobalt]

Well, even if they release a physical WS and then release a primary support to go with them, lantern would be the best secondary because no other domain resonance Valkyrie has stronger physical amp than her

So yeah she would be the best slot 3

Which is ridiculously niche but still she would have a place

[final locust]

well there'd have to be a breacher. so you can rule out lantern for that
then she'd be competing with the kianas (badum and hofi) for WS detonation speed and buffs. im not sure she can win against that, but maybe in some universe she can

[vale granite]

Wait, actually, what are the supp options for WS

[final locust]

like literally everyone

[vale granite]

I wanna list them for convenience rq

[noble cobalt]

The 3 S ranks, Thelema, Lamp, Badum, HoFi

[desert lily]

Vita-
Thelema maybe?

[shrewd socket]

i still don't see it beating fast triggers tho

[ember locust]

Sparkle, FWS, Sena, HoFi, Thelema, Lamp, VITA, (Teri)

[shrewd socket]

SImp

[final locust]

thelema, lantern, teri, sparkle, vita, sena, heliA, corAlie, hofi, badum

[noble cobalt]

We’ll have to see

[vale granite]

Adding "heliA" and "corAlie" to the glossary rq

[final locust]

it's smart

[noble cobalt]

Not only does she buff physical damage she also has crit WS buffs which lets you avoid reset impact

[shrewd socket]

the VaBies

[vale granite]

Anyway, Sena, Vita and Thele should alr take T3

[ember locust]

You forgot Hitcount too

[final locust]

thele and sena?? no

[vale granite]

Includes Valkyrie Bladestrike unfortunately

[final locust]

sena places marks. she can't detonate

thele is good but not better than hofi or badum

[shrewd socket]

oddly specific

[final locust]

really WS is only vita and hfi/badum

[ember locust]

yes

[vale granite]

I meant HoFi, mb

[noble cobalt]

This would be a great idea to take advantage of to make Lantern the definitive strongest buffer for physical world star

[vale granite]

idk why I said Sena

(too stuck in WoD)

[final locust]

lmfao

[shrewd socket]

younger Mei storywise so

[noble cobalt]

Either make the Valkyries bosses require hit count or make her revolve around it herself

[ember locust]

Bro is as tired as I am lmfao

[final locust]

even sometimes WS ends up being both hofi and badum

its kinda boring because out of all the WS detonators available really only 3 get used and SOMETIMES 4 if thele's timestop can squeeze out a higher score

[noble cobalt]

Give the boss a hit count shield that you can’t brute force and bam Lantern relevancy created

[final locust]

we have that with fire kalpas and qua kalpas

kosma**

[shrewd socket]

if they make a HC boss for a new WS valk, chances are said valk has HC herself

[vale granite]

QUA Kalpas

[final locust]

well fire kosma

[vale granite]

Also is Fire Kalpas even a thing, wasn't he only Ranged

[noble cobalt]

Keep doing it until badum gets kicked out of WS because she’s the best in slot option for literally everything else I wouldn’t be surprised if she becomes the best rite of oblivion support

[shrewd socket]

it is

[final locust]

nope its not

[shrewd socket]

ran like twice i think

[vale granite]

Fire Kalpas? A boss with a Fire res?

[shrewd socket]

oh i thought you meant kosma

[noble cobalt]

Give her a hit count buff that she can’t max by herself at S0, Lantern will still be incentivized

Then at higher ranks you can ditch lantern and go for Vita Badum

[atomic coral]

some people were using lantern dps against kalpas once

[desert lily]

Same with Benares right now
Ignite weather but he has fire resistance

[vale granite]

I remember that

Lantern topscored at SS+ iirc

Before Songque dropped that is

[desert lily]

Kalpas Mech?

[shrewd socket]

psy

[desert lily]

Ah

[shrewd socket]

he was SW's

[desert lily]

Interesting

[glass nacelle]

*lantern

[vale granite]

Not if Lantern was S0 xdd

[copper shale]

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wow d

[vale granite]

When exactly are we supposed to learn whether we get a dkey or not (and for who)? At the same time as valk teaser or later?

[nova osprey]

I think its like a day or 2 before open beta?

[vale granite]

[nova osprey]

I vaguely rmb hohe dkey was like that

[vale granite]

HoFi's too iirc now that I think about it

[desert lily]

So gonna be awhile then?

[vale granite]

Yeah

[desert lily]

Alright

More excited to see what 8.5 will be (even though it is obvious)

[vale granite]

Not really obvious

[desert lily]

True

[vale granite]

It might not be a HoRb dkey if that's what you're thinking about

[desert lily]

Ik

[vale granite]

We did get Bleed buffs out of nowhere on RoO valks after all

[glass nacelle]

But s0 sw sleep too

[desert lily]

If DKey is for Luna
I'm skipping DKey

[vale granite]

SW had a box banner, S0 SW is not a thing xdd

[glass nacelle]

This banner is bait

[gleaming imp]

Would they ever bring back a sw/vill v/hotruth/fov type banner?

Do one of those again I mean

[nova osprey]

Horb dkey which makes her ws

[nova osprey]

Probably not

[gleaming imp]

[vale granite]

Doesn't make sense with P2 gear changes

You don't need to pull for stigs anymore

[gleaming imp]

Make the incentive/goals this time weapon for easy ws3

[vale granite]

[nova osprey]

But unlike stigmata which boost dmg by a lot, syncs is like, 6%(?) Dmg boost

[unique swallow]

Free prism box let's go

[unique swallow]

Signets

[gleaming imp]

Oh, I thought ws was a noticeable difference

[nova osprey]

Oops

Fixed it

[gleaming harbor]

I just realized that 8.5 could be double feature valks

[smoky lintel]

depends a bit sometimes a multiplier isnt exclusive but ~4% sounds reasonable

[nova osprey]

Thats why im waiting for news before going all in this patch for cora

[smoky lintel]

if they're the dps that is
most of the time it's 2% per sync for the whole team if they're a support

[glass nacelle]

Synergy is still big bro

Independent effect op

[unique swallow]

No

[gleaming imp]

I'm waiting for if 8.5 is a p1 and if they'll need either Sera or chenxue aop since I have teriteri aop

[glass nacelle]

Yes

[unique swallow]

It's like literally 2% that's not going to make a big difference outside of t50 myriad

[nova osprey]

Its probably gonna be goi, so chenxue

[smoky lintel]

i doubt that they'll abandon GoI so soon if we just got an AOP for it

[unique swallow]

You're better off getting an astralop, or saving for future releases, though that should already be obvious

[gleaming imp]

If that's really the case then I'll have to cut some funds for a chenxue then

[atomic coral]

surprised you didn't get chenxue for trio

[smoky lintel]

also for vita

[gleaming imp]

I actually do want her for my trio but waiting for 8.5 details to have more incentive to pull

If it's a p1 and valk/character I love then yeah chenxue instant pull

[desert lily]

We'll have to see next week

[gleaming imp]

Does S chenxue > 4s kiaelf for trio?

[atomic coral]

yes actually

[gleaming imp]

8.5 please be a p1 Valk

Personally I'm hoping for a physical raven with healing as a main focus of her kit

[desert lily]

Chenxue is better than Kiaelf and Teri

[desert lily]

Doubt it'll be Raven

[lavish basin]

When will the spending event start?

[smoky lintel]

already started, spending events always start with the beginning of the patch

[desert lily]

This spending being a mini one

[smoky lintel]

if you meant the current one that is, we dont have any news about other spending events in future versions yet

though those would also start at the beginning of the patch

[lavish basin]

I can't find it...

NEVERMIND

[still condor]

Hoyo should totally mega epic troll everyone by making spending event start a day late so everybody that doesn't pay attention spends all their xtals too early

[desert lily]

That'll be criminal

[glass nacelle]

Sea did it but start 2w late

[short knoll]

that is eos speedrun any%

[grand viper]

had to backread 400+ messages here
why couldn't you guys just keep it simple and only post 30 messages a day like you usually do ?

[still vine]

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-xdding-cat-cute-cursed-gif-27104766

[grand viper]

[still vine]

[grand viper]

bacon what rank are you normally in, for future reference ?

[still vine]

RL, occasionally drop to A3 if we get a chain of shitty cycles or brackets full of sweatlords

[grand viper]

you drop to A3 occasionally ?
and you've never told me ?

[still vine]

why would i tell you

[grand viper]

for my disturbance collecting

[still vine]

[vale granite]

Wtf, I thought you're better than that

[still vine]

i'd rather play other games than grind abyss for 6 hours a day

[nova osprey]

Not 6 hours a day, just give it 90 mins per cycle

[still vine]

why

[mild owl]

for a4 just give it 1 run and ur already t3

[nova osprey]

A4

[vale granite]

Well, it's either Rotlotus or A4

[still vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992286931822059612/1398943947660726343/ave-mujica--.gif

[main goblet]

mmmm A4 paper

[gusty thistle]

Why you reminding me of eva collab

Still bullshit btw

[glass nacelle]

it was announced before but ppl ignored it

[steep axle]

a4 is terrible after p2 stuff like i havent gotten a single retain last patch

i always end up as 11th last minute

[plucky cradle]

[mild owl]

even if u dont have bis retain should be doable for most weathers

[steep axle]

yeah thats not what happens

[unique swallow]

How tf lol

[steep axle]

i have no idea

its always a BiS or sushang team that steals my spot

[main goblet]

kindly, its because your pulling decisions are bad or random
im not sure if you spend time on bosses and understand their mechanic because that helps a lot!
can watch refs too!

[copper shale]

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[steep axle]

is that fr

oh my god its fr fr

[earnest forge]

whos out next patch?

[shrewd socket]

we still don't know

[steep axle]

i would say ely but theres still hope that its a p2 mei never stop the copium

[willow crane]

Hoping for either or, or p2 Seele would be nice
But my main thought process is that they’re releasing both p2 Ely & HSR Cyrene at the same time

[rain isle]

P2 SEEWE better

[steady grail]

what i really love about the current chapter is seele

she was like "f- this self destroying and safe everyone bs"

and the fact that bronya is now scared of her is hilarous

[winter dirge]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion ❔

[steady grail]

ye? cuz chapter JUST came out

i dont like spoiling peps

... pls dont cabage me ai chan

we talked about this

[winter dirge]

Send story/lore discussion, including CN in #📚honkai-lore . For CN stories, please use spoiler tag.
For non-CN honkai discussion, head to #🎮honkai-chat

[steady grail]

oops

next time

[full iris]

cabbaged lul

[copper shale]

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[glass nacelle]

why

i don't pick buff 0

[plucky cradle]

[clear vigil]

[ember locust]

Just 4 days left before the end of the mystery 💀💀

[prisma tartan]