💁gameplay-help

[open bone]

my thel attack is only like 1360 which is why it's a little awkward, I have no mats for her affixes

[cunning gull]

hmm

[open bone]

but my overall is that it doesn't seem like I'm very close to an 815

There's stuff I can execute better but not that many more points of better execution idt

so I would need like, a completely different rot or smth

if it's even possible

[cunning gull]

bilibili might cook smth if u know how to search

i doubt yt play this team

[mortal jetty]

Nah you don't need to try for 815

I already tried and there js no way thelema support can 800

With DS

After ely ult u can try to qte+weapon ult with rita and kill the mobs

[open bone]

ty

time to sleep then

at least my retain is guarenteed now

from all the malding

[mortal jetty]

When you heard the third sound alarm you can press charged attack with rita

I mean you could bald for 785

What is your attack on rita?

[open bone]

1421

no point balding for 785

won't promo me

and im in a comfortable 4th anyway

[mortal jetty]

Good enough I guess

[obtuse lintel]

[lunar crow]

s vita or s1 sena for HoD

[plucky swan]

Sena assuming you mean for Rita leader

[crude cloak]

If Vita is S0 Sena is better in WoD regardless of the leader

[visual quest]

is there a rita hle vita sera ref anywhere for nirv? i wanna see if i can retain

[twilit summit]

Is there a YT channel I can use as reference for arena?

Bilibili is a pain in the ass to watch videos on

[crude cloak]

There are multiple, you can check #video-creations

Or just use the search on YT

[twilit summit]

You know YT doesn’t give you what you want when you’re looking for something specific

And it’s easier to ask than to go in blind

[crude cloak]

Can't really give you a singular channel anyway, everyone has different valks, AOs and ranks after all

In some cases you straight up won't be able to find smth that fits you specifically, gotta do some cooking yourself

[foggy vapor]

What team should I use for the wardens of tower boss in MA?

[swift osprey]

Wow this is a Hella buffed team u have

[foggy vapor]

Wdym?

[vernal terrace]

PS FDD PAWS

[foggy vapor]

thank you, sunien!

[vernal terrace]

[fallen moss]

Do we have an idea of when flawless benediction will return?

[pale musk]

Is there a better rotation I can do?

[elfin parrot]

best i can tell you is to keep an eye on #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins. But for now there's no confirmed news of it returning yet.

also keep in mind flawless benediction already reran last patch https://www.arustats.com/en-us/hi3/timeline/8.5 so maybe don't expect it so soon. Granted this doesn't truly mean anything.

metawise, I do not recommend pulling on a rerun of hohe dkey. You can read more about that here #👶beginner-help message

[spiral raven]

takes sss+3 to beat s0+1

for rita

sena syns are really big

[crude cloak]

Imagine how pissed Darius would be if she couldn't even in that case

[vernal terrace]

@elfin parrot
What's the disturbance for Nirv?
NA is what we're currently missing

[elfin parrot]

@vernal terrace https://i.imgur.com/GC7aMei.png

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

i won't be in nirv next cycle so you'll need to find someone else after this lol

[vernal terrace]

[dusky mantle]

Eyyy

Welcome.back to rl

Slacc nation

[open bone]

Did you demote this time or are you just gonna demot next abyss

[elfin parrot]

this cycle is where i'm demoting from

next cycle i'll be in rl

[open bone]

Ah rip

Shame my bracket was too sweaty or I’d cover for it this week. I’ll try to promo on Benares then

[vernal terrace]

I'm gonna attempt to promo on HoIce

[prisma nebula]

Seeing as symphony is the next weather I think, of my gacha valk options of ME FDD and HLE would that just be my cope team or should I just pass on this abyss? I just ranked back up to rl again.

[open bone]

Tbh that does sound like your best team for it. Retaining sounds possible

[vernal terrace]

No PAWS?

[open bone]

Ideally you would want lamp over FDD

Or paws over me

[prisma nebula]

Nope those 3 are the only gacha valks I have

[open bone]

But in their absence we work with what we have

[vernal terrace]

Welp

[open bone]

And that’s not the worst possible team by any means

[vernal terrace]

Gotta work with that yeah

[vernal terrace]

What I play for Rita's shill in Abyss anyways

[dusty shoal]

I've seen zero clears with dudu dps

Can she even do it

[spiral raven]

on benares? prob but score will be too low

[fading osprey]

Do I need to win in the co-op to get it unlock?

Like be in the first place

[finite barn]

You need to win the fatal deductions afaik

[fading osprey]

That’s easy

[wicked mason]

remind me which valks can deal with HP Coagulation?

[cunning gull]

if you're talking about the wardens then its bruteforceable

used to use valks like kira and stuff but the new valks got enough dmg to bruteforce

[wicked mason]

yeah Wardens

[crude cloak]

The last time it wasn't just bruteforced is when Vita was BiS on it

Her CA has HP loss

[weak drum]

newer valks deal so much dmg that it doesnt matter anymore

unless they like give wardens a full hp bar of that black hp

[spiral raven]

this cycle want to be using ps fdd paws yea

[cunning gull]

ps? what about hle fdd horb

or is it bc hle will be with rita

[spiral raven]

yes

[cunning gull]

how about paws fdd horb

[spiral raven]

same score if horb ss

[cunning gull]

oh...
s horb...

[spiral raven]

but is good team yeah

[cunning gull]

i alr locked rita sena hle on marut and hoh thel jds on ss boss

so i either loa or use paws

[spiral raven]

both is fine, it depends on aop

[cunning gull]

umm ds or 3* kia lmao

maybe s2 paws has smth

[spiral raven]

s0 for both team except for horb scores 4s so 39933 if u got aops

wow

[cunning gull]

[spiral raven]

welp just go paws

[cunning gull]

ill never know lmao

and alrr

[red crane]

what the heck

[midnight gale]

Should I upgrade the stigmata first or the weapon?

[craggy plume]

Weapon in most cases.
Why are you asking since there should be very little overlap in what resources they ask for?

[obtuse lintel]

who is older? Rosemary or HoT?

i mean, the valk release

[open bone]

Hot is 4.1, FR is 4.2

so Hot slightly older

[obtuse lintel]

damn

what other valks came out about that time?

i mean, why is FR model like the old ones?

[formal wigeon]

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Update_Log

and just scroll down

[obtuse lintel]

Wth

So Raven was the last one with flat eyes

[spark lance]

Do any of you know who comes in the next update of the battlepass?

[open bone]

||JDS and Horb||

[craggy plume]

Try to ask #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion for that kind of info

[spark lance]

Ah, sorry and thanks

[jade zephyr]

Is it worth getting LV s1? with the stamps from the supply shop

||also counting getting her dkey next patch||

[spiral raven]

s1 don't do much

don't bother unless u need that extra bit of dmg for whatever

ur competing with ss+ mostly

whales alr sss

[jade zephyr]

Okkk

[jade zephyr]

I dont understand the mechanics of the black wine white sword boss. what is the block thing about?

[dreamy vapor]

its an old tanky mechanic for valks with hp reduction skills like kira, #👶beginner-help message but if you have p2 teams you can just brute force it faster than doing it the "proper" way

[jade zephyr]

I have kira but not really with ideal gears, the p2 valks I have are ME, Thel (which i used for the first boss), HLE, HoHe (dkey), fdd

[dreamy vapor]

yeah those would be able to brute force it faster than kira can, probably by a lot (tbh im more of a lore person than a gameplay person, i just know what that mechanics about and that you can kinda just ignore it these days if you have modern teams xD)

[lapis maple]

hi im a returning player, actually just returned last ver to full gear hle... which supports does she need? is vita a must pull?

[dreamy vapor]

for astral ring people, its a bit situational, but here is the astral ring types and a guide for teambuilding at the bottom, idk if vita is a must pull for you i'd wait for more of an expert to advise

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[jade zephyr]

In general, its recommended to pull only newer valks, not reruns (for the sake of crystal income). hle has grail of infinitude astral ring, so she can be supported by any valkyries with symbiosis trait. generally, the best supports for any valkyrie are within the same trait + vary by what boss youre fighting

vita doesnt support hle at all, so if youre only wanting to pull vita for that sake, i would not recommend it.

[half hatch]

no not really vita isnt recommend to pull anymore, also since you just returned you probably won't have the funds for her

[lapis maple]

im not fully understanding astral rings yet because i quit during part 2 release hahaha should i just wait for ||xentinel mei||? im really only updated now bc im seeing part 1 characters come back

[half hatch]

the 8.7 + her weapon sounds like a good pull for you if you only have HLE atm yeah, also please spoiler the name of the new valk since she isnt announced for global yet

[half hatch]

!faq vita

[lapis maple]

no its fine, i have 23.8k in stock. though saving 9.75k (?) for ||elysia costume||

[half hatch]

ugh

that's the wrong faq wait a sec

!faq pull vita

[night parcel]

Vita

Despite being a must-pull on her release, Vita is no longer recommended to pull for.

This is due to a combination of factors:

• New releases take priority.
• Vita cannot support Grail of Infinitude or future ring types.
• She is not best in Wheel of Destiny teams unless ranked.
• In Law of Ascension teams, she is typically not BiS, but it depends on the boss/team.
• Vita DPS heavily relies on 2 additional [Rite of Oblivion](#👶beginner-help message) units and is not shilled frequently.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[half hatch]

this one

[dreamy vapor]

[jade zephyr]

vita is has a different astral ring than everyone else so more than others, she can only be supported by a very limited amount of other valkyries (at least right now)

[lapis maple]

ohhhh she cant support hle

how about that dragon girl?

i had to skip her because she was in the same version as elysia

[half hatch]

yeah that's still a no, vita is on a different type of banner that does not share pity with the normal banners, it's basically p2's ADV banner so you want 42k non negotiable and even then she's not recommended atp

[jade zephyr]

||mei|| can support hle and hle can also support her, so its a good idea yes

[lapis maple]

who can be my third unit 🤔

[dreamy vapor]

please spoiler all future content || the outfit || , it hasnt been announced globally yet

thank you

[half hatch]

while she can support HLE as long as your using proper supports the difference is not that big, also FDD needs paws/RoO units to function as a DPS while || the new mei is also GoI so HLE can also support her, depending on your funds you could also claim the free LV this version and get her divine key next version so that you basically have 3 teams with 3 units ||
|| HLE/mei/LV and just put who's supposed to be the DPS as the leader, if you can't afford LV dkey you'll use valkyrie blastmetal for now since she's a free RoO unit and counts towards the leader bonus of every valk with the AR system, though she cannot fully access ring specific features in rings she does not have the support trag for ||

in regards to what you could do at the moment i made a hle budget team rotation last patch lemme dig it up rq

this is all assuming HLE is your only p2 gacha unit so if that's not the case please tell me the other ones you have

if you have any questions regarding to what i just said also feel free to ask me to elaborate further

[half hatch]

#👶beginner-help message

[lapis maple]

i only have songque sadly

thank you for this, i almost wasted my gems on vita and rita 🤣

[half hatch]

np that's what we're here for

[half hatch]

does she have her stigmatas ? if not how many source prisms do you have

[lapis maple]

she does, but sadly i do not have her weapon... has she gotten a rerun?

[half hatch]

yeah though it's a bit unlikely that she'll rerun again since she just had her ascension supply which normally marks the end of a valks banner time and the start of them being included in BPs, spending events etc.

[half hatch]

good then you can basically replace everything RC does in the rotation i gave you with a simple with a simple songque qte

[lapis maple]

omg 8.4 rerun 🤦i was a version late

[half hatch]

the recommendation would be to not backpull her weapon at that point anyway, her use cases have shrunken quite a bit over time and as a support she can function without her weapon

[lapis maple]

oh lets gooo

looks like pt 2 meta is pretty easy to catch up on 🤔

thank you for this 🙇‍♀️

[half hatch]

i can't really talk for p1 meta but valks having both dps and support capabilities definitely helps with that yeah

[half hatch]

np

[dusky mantle]

Event puzzle pretty fun

[crude cloak]

Yeah, P1 valks' usages overlapped a lot less

Which meant that missing one could cripple an entire set of teams

[spiral raven]

p1 stuff feels like in general last longer

going for adv hot was a crazy idea that paid off

[patent sand]

i have alot of free valk with 0/4 equip, is it possible to clear corruption in deep sequence? i want to max their elysian realm level

[spiral raven]

yes

[patent sand]

how?

[spiral raven]

well one thing that always work is slot machine with pardo

but if ur just after maxing level

u can just do the easiest difficulty

and there it shouldnt matter what u bring

can do it with lite as well

[patent sand]

thanks thanks, will try try

[quaint saffron]

Hello guys, see video for reference:
https://youtu.be/Yli5tBEP6ow?si=csxTIel1KqbdqcTW&t=55

After dragon coralie do her last weap,
they QTE to HLE.
activated the astral ring after,
then, the dragon coralie have her QTE up.

Any knowers how that happened?
I also tried doing that same sequence, but my Coralie still is offline in terms of QTE.

[open bone]

Were you using DS?

Or a different Aop

DS has switch cooldown reduction

[shell quail]

i always thought entering SO resets switch cd regardless

granted i only have DS lol

[half hatch]

Nah it's a AOP skill if that happens

[quaint saffron]

ohh- i see. i am using songque. XD

seems that's the issue. lemme try again. ~

[open bone]

Rgbenares is also typeless

So that’s another reason to use DS

[quaint saffron]

now it worked.
amazing-
i tried reading DS' kit at SSS, but I didn't see any CD reduction- where is that stated?

oh... it's here. 😆

i didn't notice that trigger their QTE on the last sentence. HAHAH-

[open bone]

Glad I could help

[quaint saffron]

that refresh switch CD + trigger QTE is super useful in this boss, huh-
that effect reminds me of Sparkle, because that's literally her ult, right?
and as far as i know, that ult is also pog on some teams too.

====
having that on an astral op is amazing- XD
in terms of DPS though for this boss, i think Songque = DS,
but the comfort of the effect of DS' Astral Ring is what makes DS better to use.
amazing- XD ~

[formal wigeon]

or klein elf 4.5 years ago (which made them reconsider doing that again since this is the first time it happened since )

[rare iris]

It was too op that made lightning comps too versatile

[formal wigeon]

good times

cd reset without force qte doesn't hit the same way

[fading osprey]

Can old characters like HoFi or HoO clear ER if it's their weather?

[half hatch]

both of them should be able to clear ER regardless of the weather

especially if HoFi has her dkey

[open bone]

And especially if it’s 19800 instead of finality

[fading osprey]

I have her old gear not the new one

[open bone]

But if you just need someone to clearly weekly VBM is really good at it

If you’re doing it to have fun playing the characters that helps less

[fading osprey]

HoFi new dkey can be crafted?

[open bone]

no

it's gacha only rn'

[fading osprey]

Oh okay

[boreal eagle]

s2 rita gives more sp for the team ?

[round arch]

dont know abt sp but dmg for sure

both personal and team dmg

[jade zephyr]

Can I do any better

[open bone]

Could try FDD over Thelema but prolly you can also do better with this team too

[prisma nebula]

Anything I can do better here?

[jade zephyr]

What is thels support combo for s2?

[open bone]

it's not a q of her support combo, it's just a q of engaging with boss mechanics

[jade zephyr]

Oh okay
Also just wondering in general cause im not too good with rotation directions

[open bone]

I have those guys so I could record smth if you want

[open bone]

I make no promises this is completely optimal but should help https://youtu.be/FbIecSX4qvg?si=lkf23MgA9B52QsxV

700+ is possible I just did the run once as a demo

[pale musk]

this or S2Paws/FDD/SSHoH for this abyss?

[open bone]

Honestly probably paws, S rank Hofi is rough

[pale musk]

oh this is for rl btw

[open bone]

Plus that way you get to run dreamseeker

[quasi pier]

alright done

[jade zephyr]

Thank you so much! Ill watch it when I have the chance to play!!

[last vale]

So this might be long, so brace yourself. I last played honkai when the herrscher of origin event was up, which allowed to farm her full gear, and I did. Fast forward to now, I spent b chips on the returnee bundle to get a Silverwing N:EX from the choice box between her, aponia and horse durandal. I currently have in my battlesuits the following: Lunar Vow from the free event, HoO completely built with PRI Arm, full gear coralie at s rank, Infinite Ouroboros with her signature weapon (Pri and an extra copy of normal) and darwin. I have Dea anchora (with Lucia and generic fire stigma {the 4 star one} from the foundry). I also stupidly pulled for Shadowdimmer from the returnee supply since she looked cool and seemed to do big pp dmg. I am running her on fair judgement and signature stigma and she does less damage in the abyss than my coralie wth. I am trying to get her weapon (I still have 30 days still). I have a good amount of war treasury currency. Keep in mind that I havent done the majority of story, including the open world aside from sakura samsara. I have no team in abyss that can get me past the Agony Tier. What should I do? What team should I build. Pls give me answers. Are any war treasury characters good enough to salvage my situation or should I just save? What characters do I invest in. Do I leave the weapon for Shadowdimmer as it is and save for the new Mei? Also, since there is the Anniversary for the AS and EU servers, which gives a character choice box, will it be available for SEA players? If yes, then what should I pick. Keep in mind I only like starchasm nyx or hoRebirth purely bc I love seele, if the choices had to be based on pure free will, otherwise I will pick meta. What do I do to salvage this account?

[spiral raven]

how much pulls did u dump into the weapon banner already

ideally u dont spend any more xtals and save up only now

if there's any character boxes thats given

in general they are pretty useless so u pick who u like

all the units in war treasury are basically dead since you wont have the gears to make them work anyhow

and they are just outdated

to fix ur acc just save and pull new releases

backpulling old stuff or doing any stuff for old characters is meaningless given ur current state

bro asked in 3 different channels

[weak drum]

boosts the chances of the same people helping him 3 times

[spiral raven]

indeed but he never looked here

[cunning gull]

loll

neither did they respond mine

[vernal terrace]

They responded to QT in #🎮honkai-chat

[cunning gull]

yeah

[quaint saffron]

https://youtu.be/zKgQPuNeelE?si=PMWtcuFN-j6yy4Bc

Just want to share a ref, with a little bit of modification, cuz I can't replicate the dmg that I am seeing on 800 score refs. XD
That's probably a DK issue ngl , but it is what it is. 😆
But eitherway, if you can find some improvements, like if i can skip a thing or two to improve the score, i'm all ears and would try, maybe i can get some additional score. XD

[somber wasp]

how relevant is reign solaris?

[open bone]

Fairly niche outside of MA. Gets an occasional boss in abyss, a boss she can cope slightly more often, and is even more occasionally a BiS support

Not useless especially if you’re low on options

She’s much better as a support than no support got all her rings

But don’t expect too much from her

[somber wasp]

most meta valks of today?

[open bone]

She can support most meta valks yes

[somber wasp]

I'd like to ask about whom the most meta valks are today

[open bone]

Doesn’t support WS (except technically sparkle but it’s complicated and she’s not bis by far there) and doesn’t support ROO (Vita and FDD) but does get LoA and GoI and WoD

[open bone]

Mostly new releases. So right now that’s Hi Love Elf and Miss Espionage and their supports, mostly

But FDD and Badum see a lot of support uses in addition to handful of DPS and Paws PS Sena Thelema Vita Hofi are mostly only one step down, and then RE Lamp Horb sparkle HoHE sonque simp HoO HotR all have their place, and then there are a handful more that technically have use if their weather runs and you have their BiS team
(This is an approximate ordering, you could fairly argue some of them should swap spots)

It’s mostly not advised to pull anyone who isn’t a new releases unless you are a whale or are pulling for love

[pale musk]

I've been trying to follow this: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1NxieBcEej/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click but end up with this: https://youtu.be/8Ps8oqQwdt8
Should I use Herrscher trio (S Kiana, SS Hoo and SS hotr and 4 star kian ) instead if I want to get to t3?

[open bone]

Herrscher trio will score worse

You can just tighten up this rotation. For instance by not fully filling out the lightning bar in part 2 so it refreshes faster

And the using the extra time to do basics attacks into ewa into full stacks ult on FDD

[pale musk]

Ewa? Also, what would I do instead of Helia 3 ults in so?Which is what fills the bar.

[open bone]

Do 2 ults

[open bone]

Enhanced weapon active, the one that gives another bar

[pale musk]

I’ll try that ty

[jade zephyr]

Out of curiosity whats the shill team for rgb benares?

[boreal eagle]

https://youtu.be/yMXTEkWM8zY this

[jade zephyr]

Lmao

[edgy hamlet]

Nice thumbnail lmao

[violet horizon]

When dose the global beta come out again?

[dreamy vapor]

The announcement does not say, considering the survey recruitment period ends on feb 3rd it is probably at least after that

[obtuse lintel]

whats the difference between elemental dmg boost and elemental breach boost?

or

what is breach

[hearty yacht]

elemental damage boost directly increases elemental damage of your valkyries, so fire/ice/lightning damage will be boosted with this
elemental breach reduces/ignores the elemental resistance of an enemy

!faq breach

[night parcel]

Understanding Breach

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#💁gameplay-help message) for the explanation of Elemental/Physical Breach!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[obtuse lintel]

why do they do things like that

[hearty yacht]

its a part of a complicated damage formula

but the idea is you want multiple different kinds of buffs to get the highest damage output, and one of these buffs are breach

[obtuse lintel]

yeah im just curious about breach

instead of calling it resistance reduction or smth like that

[hearty yacht]

well feel free to refer to the faq I just sent for the main idea, and ask if you have any other questions that can be clarified

[obtuse lintel]

they make it work in a way

then phys breach exists, which works different

well, actually

phys breach looks more like the def reduction

[hearty yacht]

[obtuse lintel]

ele breach is like def reduction but making it more complicated

[hearty yacht]

tl;dr enemies have a defense value, and an elemental resistance value
physical breach and impair reduce defense
elemental breach reduces elemental resistance

[obtuse lintel]

but its not directly

it has that extra step

[hearty yacht]

yes, their base values remain, so once breach runs your damage lowers again
hence why I mentioned earlier "ignores"

[obtuse lintel]

i mean, its not as straight as phys breach

in phys breach, if you have 10% phys breach, you reduce the def by 10%

if you have 10% ele breach, you dont reduce ele resist by 10%

[hearty yacht]

that's because enemies do not have 100% elemental resistance

[obtuse lintel]

[steady osprey]

so 10% ele breach isn't flat reduce?

[obtuse lintel]

as in the explanation, it says

"Ele Breach is reduction in ele resist. To bosses with 31% ele resist, 14% Ele Breach means they effectively have 17% ele resist during the Ele Breach uptime"

[hearty yacht]

nvm ignore that I confused elemental breach for something else

[obtuse lintel]

if ele breach was straight reduce in ele resist, 14% of ele breach would mean getting the 14% of 31

[steady osprey]

asu i think u mistake breach with impair

[hearty yacht]

ye

[obtuse lintel]

which is 4,34

so 14% ele breach to 31% ele resist should result in 26.66% ele resist

but its not

[steady osprey]

btw physical resist exist, no?

[obtuse lintel]

yes

that is straight reduction to def

[hearty yacht]

supposedly, same value as def if im not mistaken

[obtuse lintel]

it says "14% Ele Breach means they effectively have 17% ele resist during the Ele Breach uptime"

then whats the math behind that to get 17% from 31%

[steady osprey]

def and phys res shouldn't have same value but maybe the game doesnt follow logic

[hearty yacht]

direct subtraction

[obtuse lintel]

what in the world is that

[hearty yacht]

the fact we have an impair formula is a miracle

did you see that mess?

[obtuse lintel]

why in the world is it called % if its not getting %

[steady osprey]

bcs 3% is too low

we just dont wanna accept that

[obtuse lintel]

it should be 14 ele brach, not 14% ele breach

[hearty yacht]

its 14% but in the formula its put as 0.14, enemies have an elemental resistance value from 0-1
so 31% = 0.31 - 0.14 breach = 0.17 effective elemental resistance

[obtuse lintel]

because you are not substracting the 14% of anything

unless

the math is not directly with the ele resist

is with the dmg

as the text says, 31% ele resist means 0.69 is multiplied to any dmg

and 14% is not done with the 31%

[obtuse lintel]

is with the dmg

[hearty yacht]

its a part of it

[obtuse lintel]

you take the 14% of the dmg back

if you hit 100, with 31% your hit would be 69

if you add back the 14% of that initial dmg, your hit would be now 83

so the dmg reduction becomes 17%

[quaint saffron]

I just want to hop in, and share my cents for this question.
So,
Elemental DMG boost = a dmg% increase to your unit, despite the resistance of it.

• Let's say, an enemy has 50% elem resistance, and you can deal 1000 dmg to it already.
• Having a 30% elem dmg boost = multiplying the 1k by 1.3 directly, despite the elem resistance (1300, a 30% dmg increase).

elemental breach = think of it like a debuff that lowers elem res of the enemy that hence improve your dmg.

• let's say then, your unit applied 60% elem breach, so the elem resistance would be down to -10% , which can then make your dmg kind of like (1000/0.5)(1-.5+.6) = 2200 (120% dmg increase)

and ofcourse, if you join these 2 buffs together,

• have a unit provide 30% elem dmg boost , then, someone providing 60% elem breach
• 2200*1.3 = 2860 (186% dmg increase)

Kind of like that. ~

===
so i think what i can get from what i share is that, elem breach/elem shred is kinda impactful for plays, cuz it provides high dmg increase.

both are important ofcourse, but you can't let go of the breach.

[half hatch]

actually ele res cannot go into the negatives in this game

if the ele res is at 0% any further breach will just result in a 0% dmg increase

also breach isnt as important anymore tbh, other options often times come close and unless you're in nirv you can get away without breach supports very easily

[formal wigeon]

tbh that was always the case with the breach only being really impactful in nirv

but it used to be combined with the other supports available being just bad generally a lot of times (compared to now where there's a shit ton of options)

[half hatch]

figures

[formal wigeon]

like HTR wasn't just the breach, she also just had the best buffs overall

[quaint saffron]

ohh- so it would just stay at 2000. I see.
I am used to in genshin where you can give enemies a negative res.
And in order to balance it sort of, that negative would be halved, so like (1 - (-.5+.6)/2) = 1.05 multiplier instead.
Thought that would be the same method/system.

====
so then, if it would not go to a negative, then, what we can do is to have your units have sum breach equivalent to the res of the enemy,
then, just apply any elem dmg% bonus instead to have more dmg.

but IDK the res that the enemies we fight have. 😆

[formal wigeon]

iirc bosses are generally at 31% ele res

outside of the ones that are specifically higher

but you can't really reach that number either way

[quaint saffron]

where do you guys obtain that data?
do we have like a repository of those info, like maybe a website or something that i may not know of?

[formal wigeon]

which data ?

[formal wigeon]

The highest a support can give is 14%, and very few dps can get enough self breach to overcap on top of that (iirc only HoO and HoR that can have 20)

[formal wigeon]

on the mob stats, idt there's anything compiling that
on the valk things, the wiki has everything

[formal wigeon]

on the breach formula, it's here

[quaint saffron]

like those info, like elemental res of bosses, maybe HP too, or def of the boss.
Kind of like how genshin have genshin wiki, where there's some sort of data with regards to those per boss, or how each reaction can be computed.
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Lunar-Charged
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Knuckle_Duckle

just asking if you guys know anything like this sort. ~

but it seems then there's no repository for the bosses' stats like that then. sadge-

[formal wigeon]

HP/def in abyss are dynamic with disturbance (and even outside of that the same boss can also have different stats in different weathers)

and ele res is pretty much 31% everywhere unless it's an ele resistant boss (like Jizo at 72)

[quaint saffron]

yeah, pretty much that's what i also know, but by how much, i guess is what we can't know, cuz we don't have like a sort of compilation of it. sadge-

[formal wigeon]

like ignite weather parvati has significantly less hp than fire weather parvati

[formal wigeon]

I think someone tried to compile a formula for stat increases based on D a while ago, but since it's different for every boss it's not very relevant

and it also seemed to scale differently based on brackets (like 520D A3, 520D Rl and 520D nirv aren't actually exactly the same)

added to that that hoyo sometimes shadow patches bosses to make them harder or easier independently of abyss scaling (dunno if they still do that)

[quaint saffron]

sadge-
so in overall really, we would just actually tried to based it on hunch/game knowledge, like if that team would work, or if the DPS is enough for it. XD
which is i guess, that's what we are really doing.

Take this benares boss as an example.
ohh, different element weather advantage.
alright, let's try HLE- New Coralie-New Helia (they're relatively new, so for sure, they can pass the DPS check)
oh, it worked. Let's optimize it more.
and repeat. 😆

[formal wigeon]

I mean the boss's stats don't really change anything to what team works

we know the best dps for it, we know the best supports for that dps, swap out 1 to match the gimmick of the boss if needed

and there's no "building" behind that, gear is fixed

[steady osprey]

gear is fixed is kinda discouraging from a game tbh

[formal wigeon]

only if it's highly resistant to a damage type but the game tells you that anyways, not exactly how much but you can assume it's enough to make it not good

[quaint saffron]

except for the affixes. 😆 that's what makes a difference most of the time.
or sufficiency of dkeys. XD

[formal wigeon]

but that's not boss dependent either (outside the very rare elem affix to cheese something)

it's just raw stats that your valk wants

[steady osprey]

and the aop gate

[quaint saffron]

yeah, i am looking at you, Fuhua. 😆
(that's what i only know that requires some elem affix stuff. XD )

i can't clear that boss too. Cuz i have no right valk for it. 😆

no HoRb. rip-

[formal wigeon]

SK, Andrius (to break crystals with an ice valk) and RGBena (but iirc only mattered for the MA one, dual element team with an affix for a third made the depleted bar regen a bit faster than without affix)

and SSS BK for a bit until hoyo patched it on their 4th attempt

[quaint saffron]

ohhh- the other version of andrius. deym-
i think that didn't pop much as a boss no?
i usually see the one for Vita. XD

[formal wigeon]

it's the MA one

[quaint saffron]

ahhh- and same thing, i think, it doesn't popped out that much either. 😆
but, they just really adding new bosses for a certain unit shills often.
Why is this prevalent now-a-days man- XD
we are also experiencing that on genshin right now-
They are following the path of HI3. HAHAH-

[craggy plume]

Last time that one was there was in 8.0 so a while ago

[formal wigeon]

It's always been like that

new valk, weather/boss to go with it (multiple in general)

well, at least since the weather system was introduced, that changed a lot earlier on

[quaint saffron]

sad and painful to see-
I mean, i accepted that fate too for this game,
like we need to skip some certain valks on a patch,
like give up, due to crystal income,
cuz for sure on the next patch, another valk will be the next star-of-the-stage of the game. XD

[formal wigeon]

niche scenarios can allow for lower general powercreep while still making new units desirable from a meta standpoint. Even if everyone is equal on neutral grounds, when specific ones are pushed with a combination of weaknesses and gimmicks they are stronger during that time

[formal wigeon]

like even deep within P2, they made a scenario where Mobius, a valk from 3 years prior was best

[quaint saffron]

yeah, that too-
it always rely on the boss' special gimmicks, like you said.
but sometimes, you know, they introduce some gimmicks that are fun to do.
which is what i like on some time.
unless it became too shilly for a character, which is gg-
I'm looking at you, new IMG bosses. 😆
that's not fun to see, if you have no rita man- XD

[formal wigeon]

that's the point of it

[quaint saffron]

===
and i am not happy seeing that img pig, either in MA, or in abyss- XD

[formal wigeon]

on the other side of it, no gimmicks mean the only thing that matters is the dps meter

and only the 1 with higher dmg is relevant

[quaint saffron]

and if that ever pops up, i think we should have then a dummy testing. 😆
it is only available on test servers, i wish it is introduce on the main game too,
so that at-least, we can identify what team that we have can perform for that criteria. XD

i think that would be generally helpful for teambuilding, and rotation testing too.
maybe it's just me-

[formal wigeon]

I mean, people already do those tests on the beta and put it out publicly anyways

for the dmg comparison

[quaint saffron]

yeah, i figured that too. 😆
i usually find myself watching refs anyway, what am i talking about. HAHA-

[formal wigeon]

Having one in general just for testing stuff would be nice for sure but oh well

[finite barn]

people usually only test the reasonable teams and put that out tho... what if i wanna test my weird comps... or like, comps for beginners are rarely tested either

[formal wigeon]

for the weird comps, well you already know it's worse

[finite barn]

yeh but sometimes one wishes to know how much worse!

[formal wigeon]

but yeah for those you either manage to get into beta or ask someone that is

it doesn't look like hoyo will ever add it to live so gotta do with what we have (with how many years people have been asking for it)

[quaint saffron]

yeah, (i apologies for bringing always genshin on the table)
in genshin, we have like a dummy tester, that is very helpful for this reason too.
dmg comparison = can look into like how you rotate, so definitely helps people pinpoint what are they doing wrong too.

but on the otherside,
genshin has no loadouts, what the hell man- HAHAH- ~

[finite barn]

no one ever tests the premium teams with one weaponless valk compared to the less premium teams with a different valk 😔

[formal wigeon]

atp that's asking people to try 75 different permutations on each release

and it's not hard to figure out outside of a dummy either, if it's relevant on a boss currently, just try both

(and if it's not relevant it doesn't matter )

[quaint saffron]

not that bad, a one hr video testing each of those. 😆
though to be fair, i've seen contents showing alternative teams per abyss boss cycle.
but sometimes, some teams are not really showcase.
i guess yeah, because we already know base from game knowledge, that it would perform bad. XD

===
and we will rotate again to the topic of shillness of this game. HAHAH-
shill = the reason of all our suffering. true, real. 😆

[formal wigeon]

without shill you'd still suffer, just in a different way

[quaint saffron]

yeah, that also depends if the boss just have some kind of RNG bounded to it.
no shill, but the RNG will make you mald. 😆
rip-

[formal wigeon]

they'd just crank up the powercreep to make every valk wildly above the previous one, you'd only see that one for a patch until a new release and repeat (with the supports being the previous 2 if keeping a similar team setup as currently).
Shelf life of a valk here: 3 patches

shill means even Sena dps can be relevant if the boss for it pops up

hell they could still bring back Mobius again if they really wanted to

(without dlc, just through shill)

[quaint saffron]

speaking of sena, can sena do this benares?
i think there's a time where she could handle this current boss of benares.
or maybe i am tripping- 😆

[formal wigeon]

a lot of stuff can clear RGBena decently, you just need a team of at least 2 (preferably 3) elements with at least 2 valks contributing decent damage (so favoring LoA and GoI a bit more since the supports tend to contribute more in those)

and phys isn't an element so ignore those

[quaint saffron]

we just had a tiny bit of discussion of klein yesterday where she became relevant, as far as i understood it,
is because klein also have like an ability to lower switch cd, and proc QTE (or maybe i misunderstood)
cuz they introduced that when we are talking about the reset switch cd-proc QTE of dreamseeker.

that then thus, bring some electro carries back then. XD
i guess then, if the boss would allow to bring back those characters.
(w/ w/c is ofcourse base on mihoyo's decision eitherway- 😆 )

[quaint saffron]

which is i guess why, everyone loves this boss, i guess.
kind of a versatile one?
like you can cook some things, and it would be decent. 😆 ~

[steady osprey]

in p2 yes. in p1 we didnt

p1 teams were so focused on one element

[obtuse lintel]

does chenxue have more ar gen?

[steady osprey]

u can check in-game... but yeah. ss rank btw

[obtuse lintel]

so thats why the ref did ar faster

[steady osprey]

so thats why i like hieule ref bcs he also does a DS run

[formal wigeon]

https://youtu.be/2LvgNsw84Mo

[shell quail]

haven't seen that in so long

there was also HoTr instead of RC (but only if other bosses didn't need HoTr, which was quite rare)

[elfin parrot]

i miss rino refs

[vagrant fractal]

I miss budget keeby refs

[elfin parrot]

same

[crude cloak]

Same (even though I didn't get to follow them)

[finite barn]

same...

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/QsDY4hNIEHQIs Is there a way to do this faster? HoH's wep skills could have definitely been faster at the end of p1. Is there anything else?

[open bone]

you've still got a bunch of SO duration left when it ends

so I think it would have been free to start it sooner

I think the first fdd ult in the intro could have been a point faster and possibly it would have been better to stay in longer on hohe the first time

[pale musk]

first time you mean the first time HoH is on-field?

[onyx swallow]

The dummy is not official hoyo content
It's community made

[jade zephyr]

Can I brute force this

[spiral raven]

should be fine in rl or agony actually looking at that d

[jade zephyr]

Ty, just did it with hle dps

[pale palm]

Can I use anything else other than the new Rita against that fat pig in MA
Dudu does no damage

[dusky mantle]

wtf 479D

[onyx swallow]

https://youtu.be/FydlyOxXBf4?si=ltDO0335_oVTZ-11

A2 eu, I think I can get top 3

[onyx swallow]

@open bone here's the run, managed to improve like 10 points

I'm either running out of vbm buffs or I'll have to hit hle finisher before beneras fills up his bar

I was thinking of that instead of the extra ba on paws and hle, I just do a quick swap into vbm hit a ba to refresh the buffs (not the stomp, just the hit, since I don't think I need the debuff for dmg) maybe then I can kill with just weopon atk after so

[open bone]

you can do the paws ult 2 before the WA

and that'll save you a lot of time

since you just go ult ult wa ult

instead of ult wa ult basics ult

also I think if you time it better you can do the finisher after the ice bar reopens and kill with that

I'd also skip the vbm ult in the intro

you arent ari gated and it means you're a bit late on the jump attack wa

[onyx swallow]

When is this for

[open bone]

in the intro

as a grail support paws gets a free ult

so she can just ult twice in a row

you are doing ult wa ult like you would for dps paws

instead of ult ult wa ult for support paws

[onyx swallow]

Oh I'm just doing 2 paws ult in the beginning

The wa and basics are just to do enough dmg for hle to kill with wa > ult

I think I found it faster but I'm not sure since I was trying to optimise the second half more

[onyx swallow]

I do the finisher after the ice bar opens
It's just vbm buffs run out by then

[onyx swallow]

Oh true
I did notice it
I'll do it without vbm ult then

[open bone]

you go out to vbm between paws finisher and hle and I think it still saves time

alternatively you could hold the first ult in SO less

only 5 arrows instead of 7 maybe

so you only mostly kill the ice bar

and that way it'll regen faster

but im not sure thats worth it

[onyx swallow]

I'll try this one first

Thx for the help!

[onyx swallow]

Thx
I got this, I actually killed before the finisher

I messed up in applying vbm buffs in between so do I can get even more
But I'll wait and see if I need to mald more later in the day

[lapis raven]

wheres the lv fov htr

[boreal eagle]

who is the best lead for wheel of destiny lantern or thelema ?

[open bone]

whoever has ranks. Uh, I think people were mostly using lamp but those were whale refs

dunno at s0

assuming we mean rgb benares

[weak drum]

lamp loses just bc of her being s0 yeah

its expected for the avg thel in nirb to be at the very least s2 nowadays

[boreal eagle]

ye i meant that

[dusky mantle]

need critics

https://streamable.com/lpy1hk

[open bone]

damage looks weirdly low in P1

[dusky mantle]

hmm

my thoughts too

[open bone]

my s0+1 team was killing at 46 What aop are you using

[dusky mantle]

Ds

[open bone]

sss?

[dusky mantle]

mhm

need to see valk stats?

[open bone]

yeah

it could just be a disturbance diff

[vernal terrace]

Ber is SEA so

[open bone]

yeah

but my attack is also really low so I figured I'd ask

[vernal terrace]

Likely

[dusky mantle]

i just followed Hieu ref, and im pretty sure i have higher atk lel

[lapis raven]

he has syn2 hle

[vernal terrace]

[dusky mantle]

aside from that

no big difference

[lapis raven]

rl right?

[dusky mantle]

mhm

[open bone]

yeah you have like 65 atk on me

okay I think 4 of the pts are from the fdd qte at the end

so if we can do like, another basic with paws to replace that

it might work better

and possibly the qte is also slowing the boss transition

Thats why in the ref Hieu Le holds off on instantly bringing in fdd in trans but i'm not sure killing with qte has the same issue

and the dragon does pause upon it hitting

[crude cloak]

TF slows down the boss

Gotta avoid it being up after killing P1 if possible

[scenic trellis]

any other teams for this abyss?

[vernal terrace]

FWS HoHe Vita

[steady osprey]

does rita support LoA

[open bone]

yes but you'd use vita

[vernal terrace]

Yes

[open bone]

technically ssena thelema badum or sparkle vita thelema work but those seem worse

ws is kinda sadge on this boss

[steady osprey]

ws is too 1 ele dmg focus

[open bone]

ye

[scenic trellis]

if only i had latern

[steady osprey]

btw vita doesnt supp hle

[open bone]

technically hle only needs 1 symb support but yeah vita is suboptimal

[steady osprey]

and u lose 1 stig set buff

[vernal terrace]

Vita doesn't have Symbiosis so she's like VBm cope RoO

[steady osprey]

tsiolkovsky buff is actually not ring related so it copes fine

[scenic trellis]

gonna try this first, really wanted thema/rita , both of them are S2 , would get me the best results

[open bone]

if rita is s2 ig you could try her over vita but I'd guess vita is better

[scenic trellis]

mb my rita isnt s2, my vita is SS*

[open bone]

oh yeah SS vita grea then

FWS hohe vita gaming

[scenic trellis]

gonna record i think i need some pointer for this

[open bone]

main downside of loa vita is shes slow but slow isnt a problem here

sure

[scenic trellis]

on the buffs here we use all elements %?

[open bone]

yes

I guess technically it's possible burst damage is better if you're overkilling with FWS already but it seems unlikely

[scenic trellis]

ok i failed fws SO but other then that is this alright?

[open bone]

no need to open with fws, you're losing points there. And then your part 2 is taking so long I think you could have gotten away with using one of the shifts to end part 1

[steady osprey]

does any p2 has burst mode

[open bone]

hohe

nobody else afaik

[scenic trellis]

so open with hohe then vita and fws after?

[half hatch]

i would just skip the vita CA in p1 tbh, also you didnt use your vita ult so you didnt get her breach lol

[open bone]

I'd probably start with vita, get her mech summoned

and yeah make sure vita actually uses her ult

[scenic trellis]

save it for p2 tho?

[open bone]

why

[half hatch]

refreshes with SO activation and her stellar shift regens SP

[scenic trellis]

oh yeah

forgot that

[half hatch]

maybe also try fws stellar shift -> vita stellar shift -> hohe stellar shift so you don't break the fire shield with the heavenly links

actually i'm just realising heavenly links are kinda sub optimal here but you gotta deal with it

[scenic trellis]

neither of them break their respective shields on stellar shift my atk must be low still , fws gets very close but doesnt

[half hatch]

other than that the only thing i noticed where some unusual DPS sequence like the 3 WAs on fws, fws mainly has 2 DPS sequences
either BA x 4 -> wa -> cancle with ult if available -> wa
or
CA -> ult -> BA x 4 -> wa
you mainly use the second one if you wanna ult more because ulting ealier means the CD is gone sooner

[dusky mantle]

the solution is to just attack a few more times with helia kek

[half hatch]

yeah i'm talking about you breaking the fire shild with HoHe's stellar shift because she triggers FWS' heavenly link

and since that heavenly link scales of the leaders dmg type and atk it counts toward the fire shield

[scenic trellis]

oh ok didnt notice ty

[storm ocean]

Does anyone have a rot for MA marut without sera and without hle

[dusky mantle]

so

[steady osprey]

marut doesnt really need hle, no?

[dusky mantle]

criticize my rot once again

https://streamable.com/wzkbpx

[steady osprey]

u going nirv?

[dusky mantle]

i think i overdid p2 a bit

[dusky mantle]

no

[steady osprey]

u being this competitive is a rare sight lol

[foggy vapor]

Is there any way to get VBS's sig weapon?

[spiral raven]

nope

[foggy vapor]

Rip

[spiral raven]

maybe they give it out in an event in the future

like they have in the past

[foggy vapor]

I'm surprised it's not in foundry

[spiral raven]

well its meant to be gacha

[foggy vapor]

For a an A rank sig?!

[steady osprey]

ofc not

[spiral raven]

yes

[steady osprey]

ye

[spiral raven]

rank dont matter much here in terms of rarity on how to obtain ig, in terms of gear

[steady osprey]

every sig has alway been gacha until they re old enough

[spiral raven]

vbm is just given for free in story and that stayed as permanent

[foggy vapor]

I'm so used to newer hoyo titles where gear is the easy to obtain

[spiral raven]

well valk is still somewhat pricy

[foggy vapor]

True

[spiral raven]

but gear now is objectively cheaper if u were super unlucky

[foggy vapor]

How so?

I came after the supply rework

[spiral raven]

well if you are super unlucky its 200 pulls for the gear

[steady osprey]

oh? was it changed in genshin which game i quit after failing 2 50/50 weap banner?

now it is easy then

[spiral raven]

genshin did change to now you only lose 1

[foggy vapor]

Some what. You only need to lose the 33/33/33 once now

[obtuse lintel]

Cant get enough with trio

Or hle badum paws

No thele and lantern

[steady osprey]

hle badum paws should have high score

[lapis raven]

792 with that, full s0+1 sss ds

[obtuse lintel]

Didnt for me

[obtuse lintel]

SS ds

Idk dude i tried following the refs but just wasnt enough dmg

[lapis raven]

yea as if one ds rank is gonna do anything

ur rot was bad, thats all

[dusky mantle]

Hi

[stiff anvil]

how to even do this when the enhanced weap takes all energy?

[scenic trellis]

did 719 with fws/hohe/vita if u have them, still low score tho

[dusky mantle]

Well do yoy want the solution or just a hint

[stiff anvil]

solution

[obtuse lintel]

Still wouldnt be enough score

[dusky mantle]

Then just wait a bit

[obtuse lintel]

And abyss is alredy closed for me

[dusky mantle]

Game will show u the solution after some time

[scenic trellis]

oh mb didnt notice

[obtuse lintel]

[dusky mantle]

Oof

[lapis raven]

eu is of lower d

ur score wont be the same on sea, it will be lower

[dusky mantle]

So. U solved it?

[stiff anvil]

no. thats the solution page they showed but i cant replicate it because of the energy

[dusky mantle]

3-2?

[steady osprey]

lol slot the xbow to gain energy for next turn

[dusky mantle]

Pssh

[steady osprey]

nah i already forgot wat i did

[dusky mantle]

Im already finished with this event dw

[steady osprey]

i did too but it not that fun/impressive to memorize

[obtuse lintel]

There's no chineses video of the event?

[steady osprey]

no? its not too hard anw

[obtuse lintel]

May b it was just me but

I mean, yeah, but there will always people be people asking

[dusky mantle]

Ngl the countdown per enemy made it easy

[steady osprey]

yeah it indicate which one u need to do first

[open bone]

ngl I feel like non perfect clears

are more impressive

perfect clears they spoonfeed u

[dusky mantle]

How is it impressive nani

[steady osprey]

i did lose hp. i thought it cant be perfect clear

[stiff anvil]

ight thanks i see my mistake now lmao

[formal wigeon]

You're not playing around the boss gimmick at all there

[dusky mantle]

Lel

[formal wigeon]

Leaving a bar a sliver before being empty is the worst thing to happen

You destroy the entire following rot

[dusky mantle]

Thats what i did. Granted im not using trio

[steady osprey]

1'34 should stay on hoo dps

[dusky mantle]

Cant change p1, it is what it is.

But yeah on p2 should have gone HoO dps since red meter is depleted

[dusky mantle]

Now go forth. And clear everything

[formal wigeon]

Might even be able to save SO P1 if you empty the lightning bar, tho I don't rember how fast that would regen the fire one

Try doing the same opener as this (extra hit on HoO) to check if that works
https://youtu.be/nM_-Yq-D-7g

[obtuse lintel]

What could ive improved? (Just to know bc its already gone)

[storm ocean]

Idk most runs use her but I don't have her so idk what to do

And also don't have sera for double ring

[obtuse lintel]

Nothing ig then

[craggy plume]

Not losing a lot of your dps from using HoFi while the boss heavily resists Fire, you spent way too long on her and didn't shift to HoO after you broke the fire bar

[formal wigeon]

You already had answers before your question

[steady osprey]

how to do that hoo extra atk?
is it hoo idle wa > switch when the atk cast halfway? then when hoo switch back in, we can press atk to do it?

[formal wigeon]

HoO weap at the start fills up the bar (the same way a basic ATK sequence would), with the bar full you can dodge+ATK at any time to use it

But it has lower prio than the perfect dodge follow-up so it's the third attack I do before the CA

[steady osprey]

yey i retain

+3 days nirv emblem

[formal wigeon]

Tho it's also pretty much never useful

[steady osprey]

isnt it timestop

extra chip dmg then

[spiral raven]

its only 2 points and if u lack dmg can still do it, i rmb i did it a bunch

but u only get to do it when game gives u a long break

so probs not useful in that sense

[formal wigeon]

Only in super specific cases where what little DMG it gives helps pass a threshold (in that case killed P1 without SO) and you have a somewhat long transition after because HoO weap will be on long cd after that rot

[steady osprey]

yeah the idle wa

[formal wigeon]

The attack itself is timestop but the weapon cast before that also eats time

iirc for that run it was about 8-9 points total

But this one is also made worse with the boss spawning slower in sus-anni so HTR transform completely delays it

[obtuse lintel]

Someone already saw my video before i sent it?

[formal wigeon]

You asked 20 minutes after sending the vid

[steady osprey]

after u sent it there was a bunch of comments

[obtuse lintel]

I asked about my video, what i did wrong

Before that i just said im

[formal wigeon]

Now scroll up to the message after your video and before you asking that

Where people say what you did wrong

[obtuse lintel]

Wasnt it just easier to say "i alr answered you"

Or tag when you reply

[formal wigeon]

that's what I said tho

[obtuse lintel]

Whats tue estimated crystal count for this patch?

Or how much would be posible to get in what is left of it

[obtuse lintel]

"You already had" isnt "i already did" but

Thanks anyways

Btw next time please tag, otherwise i wouldnt notice

[crude cloak]

26.5-27k assuming F2P RL-Nirv

This doesn't include random sources ofc

Which could add a k or 2

[obtuse lintel]

[rotund canopy]

I DONT KNOW WHERE ELEE TO ASK THIS BUT HOW DO I DO THESE PUZZLES

When I walk off the thing I can’t open the chest

[pale musk]

Any ideas on how to improve this? I feel like I need 780 to be safe

I did the same thing faster and got 768

[formal wigeon]

iirc you have an active skill thing that slows down time somewhere

[crystal karma]

is there a way to do marut with trio in phase 2?

since it seems to be hard counter switching mechs

[elfin parrot]

The switching alert timer no longer takes effect once it's fully waited out. Once it expires, swapping further won't refresh it.

It's still a large time loss, but you can set up all buffs the best you can before the phase starts (prob no debuffs), then stay on a dps until it expires

I haven't looked into budget strats for this fight so you may want to search and see if anything else is viable. Pins have various resources you may try consulting.

[open bone]

PS LOA can get 720 with teri apparently

[elfin parrot]

hm wow i wonder what they did to wait out the timer

[open bone]

wait no 664, 720 is the non boosted one

[spiral raven]

if they did anything its just staying on sus with sus ani

[elfin parrot]

i guess they can prob stay on PS for pretty extended periods with tons of sus ani

[open bone]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV14e2SBKEvH/

[elfin parrot]

ty

[spiral raven]

yeah ive seen that one

[crystal karma]

w/e don't want to do this pita fight with trio anymore

[spiral raven]

u just stay on kiana

[elfin parrot]

my personal score wasn't too far off from that lol

although i'm pretty sure i messed up setting up transition and didn't hoo ult buff or something. I think i also ran into sp issues. Overall it was hard to care when the score was already that far low

[crystal karma]

honestly waiting the timer off isn't that bad, i just hate how the p2 transition part works

also im not sure if it bugged on me or if it was intended but one run i got super gravitied and was super slowed

[spiral raven]

hard to tell what u mean if u dont have recording

[elfin parrot]

this ref is pretty crazy but man 5 minutes is so long lol

so much ARI farming in transition lol

[spiral raven]

well he got 4 rings off

[crude cloak]

4 rings is crazy

[elfin parrot]

it's really funny

[vernal terrace]

4 SO

[elfin parrot]

4 rings in 20s MA timer

[vernal terrace]

Crazy

[crystal karma]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV112mtBrEtK/ was using this for trio reference

[elfin parrot]

oh gee 7s

[spiral raven]

7s pretty f2p nowadays

[crystal karma]

it was the only trio vid i found so had to make do even tho i dont have 7S

[elfin parrot]

idk about that for HFi. I think we only really had one spending event or something for her to reach S2 or so?

damage seems pretty important here considering how they were barely able to swap back to HoTr to execute in p1

i'm kinda skimming tho so idk if i missed them cutting a rot short. The SO was full at least

[crystal karma]

yeah i tacked on an entire rotation for that lol

[spiral raven]

but we have pwo now

[elfin parrot]

oh wow we do. Ok that's fair then lol

[crystal karma]

im not sure i should even burn some frags to PWO some of the trio at this point

[elfin parrot]

that's like 5 balloons in transition? I've only got 2 or so from hotr CA and never thought to try to bruteforce for one more lol

tanking the alert lv 1 in both of these refs wasn't something i thought about either. It doesn't help the MA description doesn't specify how bad each lv is.

[spiral raven]

pwo is fine to use on trio if u alr bought out seele stamps or not enough stamps left for next rank up

[elfin parrot]

it depends on your stock and what you're looking to get out of it

[crystal karma]

horb wants all 8 stamps?

[elfin parrot]

i agree at this point Trio is prob more questionable

[elfin parrot]

again it depends. In that case what rank is she currently or what rank will she reach from those PWOs?

any rank still gives some atk stats so if you're using horb as a main dps it's considerable

[spiral raven]

well u just get enough til the point it hits next rank, if her cycle comes again then it will matter

[crystal karma]

just barely hits SS if i get all 8

[elfin parrot]

but i rather you wait until a specific scenario arises (dom trib or sk) to evaluate if you need it or not

[crystal karma]

but i dont really feel like i need it atm

[elfin parrot]

hold off then. You can always decide later

once you get it you can't reverse the purchase

[spiral raven]

na probs dont matter at all, but the question can be applied to trio and stuff, or really anyone in pwo in the first place

[elfin parrot]

even if you observe a point increase, it doesn't matter unless it's changing your trophy count, and you cannot determine that without knowing who you're competing against

[crystal karma]

i guess i can start stockpiling LE and KMB frags again now that i know they added more stuff to the PWO shop

[elfin parrot]

abyss matters more than MA too. Trio is quite old and Rita already overshadows a bit there that i really don't feel it's of much value to pursue them.

HoRb by contrast is more "new" but you might want to stock up and wait for the next newly added valk that's barely on the brink of the meta to attempt to maximize your PWO value

[crystal karma]

didnt pull for rita since she's on my skip patch for the new valk in next patch (can't pull for valk + weapon every single set even with monthly and currently not on monthly)

[elfin parrot]

regardless of whether you pulled rita or not, your competition will still overshadow your trio team with her in some scenarios

and yeah that's normal income wise

[crystal karma]

yeah imma be dropping and going back to RL a lot this patch cycle

[elfin parrot]

RL or lower are places where you can maybe expect your Trio/HoO dps to still hold for a bit longer at least

i think this was my lightning marut cycle with (edit: ss1) HoO main dps? idr lol https://i.imgur.com/2ukfs6T.png

[crude cloak]

That's very sad

[elfin parrot]

i mean it retained. It has no business taking top 3 either

by contrast i certainly wasn't happy seeing my s2 vita dps take t1 in some sirin dps cycle lol

[kindred dawn]

Sirin powercreep was insane. It was in such a short time.

[elfin parrot]

hm was the last HoI cycle for Sirin really september of 2024? lol

aug 2025 was when FDD came along but that doesn't matter if sirin didn't have any actual dps use cases until then

[dusky mantle]

I see

[elfin parrot]

i could've sworn there was some ignite AKA cycle between vita and FDD releases but i can't find anything lol

what do you see

[dusky mantle]

You?

[elfin parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/鈴木羽那-閃耀色彩-偶像大師閃耀色彩-scsp-羽那-gif-11534973313384883396

[vernal terrace]

I saw one for 8.0

Well ignite Aka

[dusky mantle]

8.0

Literally last year

Feb 3 2025

[spiral raven]

yeah there was one in feb

[dusky mantle]

I forgot its 2026

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dbk8s2KsC4&list=PL7PX42EmQabZl0xMjMIJpVaLPnnlJxMhN yeah i'm seeing that now

[vernal terrace]

Then that's it till 8.4

Well Aka hasn't rerun yet

[elfin parrot]

we can also count the amount of cycles she was top dps too but i don't want to do that much work lol

[vernal terrace]

Too much work

[elfin parrot]

but yeah time wise it's like sept 2023 to feb 2025?

[vernal terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/senadina-sena-hi3-honkai-impact-3rd-agree-gif-1681523563793255511

[elfin parrot]

kinda roughly 1.5 years? I guess it makes sense for a more cheap to get valk

it's funny because SpA had a similar duration

and she was who was directly replaced. Mech ignites were kinda cursed...

[open bone]

and then they released fdd who has 1.5 abyss per week

[vernal terrace]

Expected after their patch release

[elfin parrot]

expected for the breach support if you're counting those

[vernal terrace]

True

[elfin parrot]

although supports are kinda iffy when in RL you prob can get away with non breach supports lol

[vernal terrace]

FDD has more support than DPS shill

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[elfin parrot]

that kind of goes for any valk

[vernal terrace]

Fair and true

[elfin parrot]

but i focus more on the dps use cases because the difference of not having them is alot larger there, and is a strong determinate if you're retaining nirv or not

[vernal terrace]

Yes

[dusky mantle]

Man

The true strong determinate is aop ngl

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

no i disagree

there are cases where both can matter for sure

and maybe that's more of the case for SEA

but glb you can get away a good amount of time without the best gacha op

there are rare cycles where an alternative dps can exist (e.g. sena vs fws) but for the most part if you lack the main dps, you're prob tanking a trophy loss

although investment cost it gets trickier to assess since aop's cover more teams than a niche valk (not breach)

[normal cloak]

Exalted MA Refs for 02/03/2026 - 02/08/2026 [Invite Link Here if channels are unknown](#💁gameplay-help message)
Sa [SSS]: https://discord.com/channels/1353576258038005760/1353588166677758053
Sprout of Wishing [SSS]: https://discord.com/channels/1353576258038005760/1353588240032075797
HoV: https://discord.com/channels/1353576258038005760/1353588210919542925

[vernal terrace]

Tricky MA week

[cunning gull]

oh hmm
hle on sa
prob ps again on chicken
and thel gaming

[vernal terrace]

I gotta figure out teams for that now

[lapis raven]

what valks again

[open bone]

ME HLE HoRB FDD Paws PS Badum, and Thelema but no wep

For Riley

[vernal terrace]

Yes

[open bone]

Might get Thelema wep this week

[vernal terrace]

That or my two remaining dkey's

[lapis raven]

no aop?

[open bone]

Chenchen only

SS

[lapis raven]

ok whale

[vernal terrace]

Yeah yeah ik

[open bone]

The FDD is also S2

[vernal terrace]

That I wasn't expecting to get

[cunning gull]

oh no dkey hoh...

maybe p1 thel for hov
thats if u got something to use on the p1 valks

[vernal terrace]

Only one that has P1 gear is the recent one who got a DKey

She's still missing her b stig but not worth it to get

[lapis raven]

shouldnt even matter

the one i cant think off is bird

cos no jd

[vernal terrace]

PS FDD ME maybe?

[lapis raven]

so unless u cook ur own run

realistically me does nothing paw shd be better

leaving hle fws hrb for sa

[vernal terrace]

Rip score on SS boss

[cunning gull]

can still cook smth with thel using whats left

but yeah sss bosses take prio

[open bone]

Wepless thel is rough. Apparently she can 32000?

With wep

I didn’t know it went that high

But that’s what the ref I’m seeing has somehow

[cunning gull]

im assuming that riley might get weap before the end of the week

hopefully

[vernal terrace]

I can get it at the start actually

[lapis raven]

its hov bro

[cunning gull]

oo

[lapis raven]

theres si ta stfu 0s

[vernal terrace]

What gear

[cunning gull]

lmao

[lapis raven]

oh wait its danzai not stfu

https://youtu.be/MoyMJOW0Ge0

point is that hov is puny and u can 0s her very easily

[vernal terrace]

Do just use ME Thel VBm then

[open bone]

Lightning immune no?

[lapis raven]

yes

[vernal terrace]

Or Thel DPS

[lapis raven]

u can ask euphie if hov is lightning immune

[formal wigeon]

Thel can do HoV with anything as long as 4/4 and you give her starting sp, the rest of the team doesn't really matter

[lapis raven]

@ gurd

[spiral raven]

can solo

[open bone]

If you were coping it I might swap FDD for ME on the SSS boss and put FDD VBM thelema on hov ig

[lapis raven]

no sp + ma needs 2 valks

[spiral raven]

yea basically solo is what I meant, anyone with starting sp ig

【我勒个瑟莉姆，带个裸装炎律，就0秒了-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/UIN5bPO

[lapis raven]

yeye

[spiral raven]

no gears or anything on anyone else

[formal wigeon]

Ye so what I said

[cunning gull]

oo

will try

i do have hoh, sena n jds to throw but ill do solo for fun

[vernal terrace]

Main issue is Honkai shards

[cunning gull]

hmm

did u use up all 8.5 boxes and is low on asterite?

bc if yes youll most likey wanna keep those mats for 8.7

[vernal terrace]

I'm not low on asterite but I did use the boxes

[cunning gull]

oh

can spare some asterite if youre not saving for time capsules

[vernal terrace]

Mostly use the asterite for frags but I can probably spare some still

[cunning gull]

if ur dorm lvl is fine then u can spare some

[open bone]

Riley is like dorm 37 or smth

[vernal terrace]

Almost 38 which is the last 10 attack from dorm

[cunning gull]

yeah

at least thats what imp

theres phy and ele dmg but it will take a while

[cunning gull]

missing er valks from wt?

[vernal terrace]

Likely

Been ranking up my SP Valks and then SX and SN for PWO

[cunning gull]

oh

not le huh?
guess ure doing it bc seele

[vernal terrace]

LE?

[vernal terrace]

Also yes cause HoRb

[vernal terrace]

Ah

Yeah I don't have her

[cunning gull]

shes good for pwo farming

also kmb but u can focus on one

but if youre close to sssing any of the wt seeles then ig ull finish them first

[vernal terrace]

SN I believe was getting close to SSS

[cunning gull]

le also got sp leader

[vernal terrace]

Ah

[cunning gull]

ohh

[vernal terrace]

SN SS1 43/50

[cunning gull]

might aswell

youve gone far

[vernal terrace]

Probably just focus on her and not bother with SX

[cunning gull]

sure

[vernal terrace]

Then probably save for a new Valk

[cunning gull]

nyx is legacy anyways

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[cunning gull]

u will need it

my willpower amount is low but thats bc i get le everyweek
and used to get valks for dorm task

legacy should be more unless ure not done with the current available er valks in wt

[lapis raven]

ok whale

[cunning gull]

wh

[lapis raven]

still hv two more valks to unlock man

[cunning gull]

do it

[lapis raven]

and i still want sss ht and mpe 😔

my aw is gone bro

[cunning gull]

i mean are u in a rush

im waiting for more valks in wt

[lapis raven]

yea i need pwo 😔

[spiral raven]

n00b

[lapis raven]

i want s2 hrb

[lapis raven]

i hv those! on my na acc

[lapis raven]

and i want ss hoo

gosh i cldve had ss2 hh if i opened the free box 😔

wahahaha

[dusky mantle]

wow sim battle

[hollow cairn]

What's a good RME rotation (RME, VBS, CLV[lightning cross])

[lapis raven]

RAHHHH

ok abyss done

[boreal eagle]

mac gameplay

[craggy plume]

Who do you mean with RME and CLV? Look at the glossary pinned in #👶beginner-help for standard abbreviations

[hollow cairn]

rita miss esspionage and lunar vow

[hollow cairn]

will do btw^^

[spiral raven]

what a pro

[hollow cairn]

omg hamilton

[lapis raven]

kianawoah

[hollow cairn]

I'm such a hamilfan

(i even learnt a language cos hamilton spoke it)

[lapis raven]

ohno

[hollow cairn]

and cos I like languages

[lapis raven]

i cld never

[hollow cairn]

-# hyperpolyglot btw