💁gameplay-help

[eager smelt]

ds is really bad because of the freeze timings

by the time u can ring u will have no time left

so all u can do is just use both phantoms with little dmg

[pale musk]

Would 4 star Kiana ELF be better?
Maybe I should just get Ely elf? But for awhile she’d only be 2 star.

[eager smelt]

what

yeah kiana is better but its 100% not for the reason ur thinking

[pale musk]

Also I keep getting around 530 sometimes 550. I ran out of time but is there anything I could have done better?

[eager smelt]

ring faster and farm evades

these are ur atks to evade

any flying atk

it doesnt do them in p2

im ringing at 955 with kiana

improved it to 960

[celest wave]

I tried logging back into the game after I didn't play for years, with the original email I used, and it started as if I never played. The account still exists as I used the Hoyoverse account lookup and it's still there.

[eager smelt]

check the server

[celest wave]

I did... I switched servers and nothing

[eager smelt]

what servers did u try

[celest wave]

The original server I logged on was America. Then after you said check the server, I went over to the Europe servers and it took right back to the intro.

[dusky mantle]

Idk how i survived abyss

[rare iris]

i survived abyss idk how

[spiral raven]

surprised abyss lived

u let him live

[crude cloak]

Better ask in #🔌technical-help if you haven't alr

[dusky mantle]

Hmm. Rita vs dudu

[spiral raven]

dudu

[dusky mantle]

What if rita triggers passive 5 times in a row

No hit run pls

[craggy ivy]

Chat bianka or rita in web event who's better

[craggy ivy]

If I lose it all I'm blaming you

[spiral raven]

lel

i just say whatever i want. i take no responsibilities

[craggy ivy]

Modmailed for misinfo on help channels

[spiral raven]

damn not like this

getting bullied

[onyx swallow]

Me too

[lament prairie]

Hello John Modmail here, no misinfo pls!!!

[vernal terrace]

[weak drum]

no

[dusky mantle]

Rita passive activates 5 times trust

[onyx swallow]

Durandal has all my savings on her

She will win

[faint maple]

I just got Finality from Dorm Supply, who should I use her with for now? I know she's dated but she's probably better than any of my non-HLE teams I'm assuming.
Preferably without PC or WBm since I use them with HLE, but if those are my only or best options for this character that's still helpful to know

And is there anything worth getting from BP shop (I have 15 Crystallum), Forging, or prioritising from War Treasury for her specifically? These are my current options

[rigid cedar]

she only becomes a viable valk nowadays with her Divine Key

as a Rite of Oblivion and World Star support

She can also support Herrscher of Origin with her DK, but that's kinda irrelevant to you if you don't own her

as well as how full Trio is her only real main DPS team

HoFi, HoO and HoTr (Herrscher of Finality, Origin and Truth)

even back then, this team needed a ton of investment. full gear was and still is required

[faint maple]

Yeah I assume I'll be benching her in due time, but while my account is still pretty new I also need some cope teams to get through MA stages lol

[rigid cedar]

yeah i get you

I actually got her as well pretty early, through not so good ways

she used to be on the starter supply

just turned out to be pretty shit without any gear

[faint maple]

But at least sounds like I don't need to bother investing resources like BP disco balls into her since she's destined to be benched anyway

[rigid cedar]

waxing moon kinda revived her for me however, making that decision not as brutal

[rigid cedar]

most reserve works valks that are old are there to bait you into high investment, low return teams

[faint maple]

rn my other options are 0/0 HoT, HoH, and TA tbf lolol

[rigid cedar]

trio is on the brink of being meta but potentially falling out of it soon

[faint maple]

HLE is my only character with gacha equipment, I started playing during her banner

[rigid cedar]

how does your Coralie look?

[rigid cedar]

epic

i assume you know how to trigger her buffs or do you need any advice?

[faint maple]

Next patch's valk is my favourite (and the reason I redownloaded and started playing again), waiting til after I 4/4 and level up her gear before I lv 50 tsiolkovsky

[rigid cedar]

VBm isn't a bad cope for that valk's ring

[faint maple]

Atm I've just been following the rot in beginner help pins, so I use two weapon skills on coralie at the start, then jump BA weapon skill, and every rotation after that I just do jump BA weapon skill once to refresh before the 3 stacks run out

[rigid cedar]

||It's just that the Rondo shadow buffs usually last way shorter on RoO support||

but that wasn't too much of an issue when ||Wheel of Destiny|| was new

[rigid cedar]

yeah that's pretty much it

can also skip reapplying buffs when you do stellar outburst, since that refreshes your buffs on compatible supports for free

[faint maple]

Oh yeah that too, nice

So for now is HoFi cope worse than my other cope teams?

😭

[rigid cedar]

yeah way worse

especially with no gear

[steady osprey]

f2p hofi

[rigid cedar]

dear god

[faint maple]

damn, im surprised shes worse than 0/4 hot hoh and TA. thats bleak

[rigid cedar]

wait what do you have on hot?

also maybe you don't want to use her with hoh together

[steady osprey]

just to be sure HoT or Hotr

[faint maple]

oh that's not one team, those are just the other teams i'm coping with

[rigid cedar]

in part 1 teams you usually have 1 dps and 2 supports

ah okay

[faint maple]

thunder

[faint maple]

whatever you were thinking, it is probably even worse

[steady osprey]

yeah this is bad

[faint maple]

i thought about getting 7t but was advised no point since ||it seems like my hot will be completely crept by next patch valk anyway, so no reason to use ever afterwards||

[faint maple]

i only have 29 days active so i have literally nothing good except for 4/4 hle (and vbm since her stuff is all free)

oh my PC has pri arm too

[craggy plume]

You should get 7t anyways since it is a d-key

[steady osprey]

hot is worse than hotr at least the latter can do some supporting

[faint maple]

hotr is truth right? i dont have her

[craggy plume]

You chose HoHe in the current event?

[faint maple]

yeah, figured i wouldnt have much use for either of them long term so just picked the one i liked more

[onyx swallow]

It's about the same as what I have myself (about 95 active days )if not better

I missed maxing starter supply so even less crystals for me

[dusky mantle]

WHO WON

[weak drum]

dudu

rita got shat on by her

[onyx swallow]

Let's gooo

[onyx swallow]

Did she even proc one dodge?

[weak drum]

her stuffs got blocked by da shelds

why did i put 6k on her lmfao

smh thought hoyo would pull some strings for her to win

[onyx swallow]

Now bronya or dude

I have more trust in bronya ngl

[weak drum]

bronya won

oh wait no bronya or doodoo?

bronya won against chen right

[onyx swallow]

Yea

[weak drum]

hmghe

[rigid cedar]

okay two easy upgrades here:

• Replace Darwin with Edison, less conditions need to be fulfilled and overall better buffs even if you'd max Darwin
• Replace the weapon with Lightning Soul

[weak drum]

its just a rng atp tbh

[weak drum]

ram ur all in bron?

[rigid cedar]

yes

[weak drum]

hmghe

[rigid cedar]

this is an emotionial decision though

[weak drum]

do i doodoo even if her chances are lower

[rigid cedar]

decide by your own consideration

[weak drum]

surely she’ll dominate all regions

[rigid cedar]

CN doesn't match at all

you can't rely on that

[weak drum]

shuddup

rita got curb stomped by her

[onyx swallow]

I see

Gonna go in bronya

[onyx swallow]

Who won in cn?

[rigid cedar]

if you want a reasonable answer, check abilities and stats

[weak drum]

surely she’ll win against bron

imma just go with the bigger number wins principle

[steady osprey]

dudu won in cn

[rigid cedar]

against whom

[onyx swallow]

True but finals should be decided by emotions I feel

[weak drum]

rita

[rigid cedar]

well it's not like there will be more fights to bet on

you're going all-in either way

[weak drum]

both dudu and rita in cn destroyed everyone

[weak drum]

but dudu won in the end

[steady osprey]

but if it work as in schedule when dudu face bronya she will still win

[rigid cedar]

if

[steady osprey]

u can see they match at left side

[rigid cedar]

the schedule doesn't even align fully

[onyx swallow]

Bronya will surely redeem herself in glb

[rigid cedar]

Teri lost to Dreamseeker, so Dreamseeker made it to the ladder instead

[steady osprey]

well i voted bronya anw

doesnt matter though, i got all reward except the coins

[rigid cedar]

i'm missing 5 SS Imaginon

but whatever

[weak drum]

thats so huge ram

4 ss img is literally like

500 ast

[steady osprey]

lol seem im a better gambler than u. i miss half of the matches due to time routine and lose a lot of bet

[rigid cedar]

i missed the votes for two days

early on though

[copper ridge]

what should i get from the spending store?

[craggy plume]

see pins in #👶beginner-help

[faint maple]

Sorry for the late reply, thank you I'll do this

[vernal terrace]

Who to use on who for MA?

[craggy plume]

I would run FDD or MPS on Beast and just the highest dps option for Deliverance but it doesn't really matter since you aren't going to score well without IMG valk anyways.

[vernal terrace]

Alright

[cunning gull]

hle team on kevin
fdd team on dog
iirc u dont have thel wp

[vernal terrace]

Ok

[arctic badge]

hello.

[rigid cedar]

do you own TA, SI and HoRb p1 gear?

[rigid cedar]

HLE/FDD/PAWS is the best copium on Ke🅱️in

its just gonna be a bit goofy for Duonique

can also put Badum instead of FDD

[vernal terrace]

3/4 HoRb with P1 gear the other two though

[fervent musk]

[hearty yacht]

in other words, "no"

[vernal terrace]

Yeah-

[open bone]

PS and HLE dps got 540 for me but with Chenchen you can probably do better, Chenchen is a big buff for HLE dps here

[prisma olive]

What should I prioritize?

[onyx swallow]

please ignore the team🥹

[lime grail]

goated team

[onyx swallow]

why is ely falling

[formal wigeon]

Just restart

solves 99.9% of issues

[open bone]

Elf frags are the most useful especially if you don’t pull gacha ops, but it’ll take a lot of them to get anywhere so you could also go after mats if you need some of them soon, like if you’re 20 torus short of being able to afford an important pri arm or need another prism to craft a stig or something

[dusky mantle]

Typical IT solution

[lapis raven]

hv u locked valks?

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1b3CnBmE8N

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV114VvzZEmX

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1sqhUz3E2o

kevin

actl no u cant do first strat

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1FTCbBWEgb

u need hle for duonigue

[spiral raven]

seems like that to me, horb needs to go with hle

so unless he can cook something that uses horb and do similar score

maybe easier just go on dog for 3s

then do ps lead on kebin

maybe something close to 47792

[lapis raven]

yea

duonigue is either hle hrb fws or fdd

[spiral raven]

he can do ps lead on dog too, just no idea what to expect for kebin with horb on hle

but horb has to go with hle cuz otherwise he bricks his team

[open bone]

he could try HLE FWS Horb on Kevin and FDD Paws VBM on Dog no?

[rigid cedar]

the thing is that PAWS is kinda a sub-dps in HLE's team against Kevin

and provides god knows how much time slow

[spiral raven]

fdd kinda trash score on dogm i got 7s, but can maybe make it 6s instead or something

[rigid cedar]

you're actually spamming 2 paws finishers in SO

that's how important she is

[rigid cedar]

and the score without paws on kevin?

i feel like that will suffer more

[spiral raven]

idk, i havent tried, but he wouldnt be using horb if he gonna use vbm with fdd, prob hle ps badum

[rigid cedar]

ps definitely will lose time

with the fast ult fixed

[spiral raven]

not like he has a lot of dmg

[rigid cedar]

if he had jds, i would actually recommend PS lead on kevin

but he doesn't

ez dog with hle

[open bone]

In that case you could also try PS FDD on dog

Not a great score but 840 easy

Probably 860+

Dunno if that loses you more pts than HLE saves on Kevin tho

[spiral raven]

what score is 840 again, only memorised the first 6 seconds

but sounds kinda low

[open bone]

Think it’s like 10s

[river moth]

should i get flawless benediction or wait for rainbow of cinders? i have both hoh and helia paw

[spiral raven]

if has teri is min 5s

i can try

later

[open bone]

Riley only has SS chen

Anyway I’m sure they can do better than 10s I’m just not sure how much better

[spiral raven]

i would guess a 7

[rigid cedar]

04:49 - 11s

for second boss slot

to compare, i think S0 vita is around 39893 (04:53 - 7s)

worst HLE score on dog i can find with chenxue 2S is 39933, 4s

[open bone]

So +40 pts maybe, do we think HLE saves 40 points on Kevin?

[rigid cedar]

I personally got 47840 on Kevin, 9s

that's with paws, fdd and chenxue though

it will be worse with other supports

[weak drum]

low rank horb sux

i want my 1s opening

[naive shoal]

im struggling to made a good opener in abyss cuz for some reason my highest score rn is from a dumbass experimental opener where i just kept attacking the boss with hle until the weakspot breaks and then i do the usual support qte (current score)

also mostly i cant finish first phase without running ot of fdd buff if i do a different opener

[open bone]

What are you scoring?

[naive shoal]

so far all the opener ive done is:

• hle wa + ult > fdd qte + ult > helia qte ult
• fdd ult > helia qte + ult > hle

all of those i run out of buffs when the boss is already pretty low, also i forced so in first phase but yeah that takes even longer

[naive shoal]

733 so far

some person is using the same lineup as mine they score 764 but they use chenxue im guessing 2 SO run

[open bone]

You could try the first one but with a hle qte between FDD ult and helia QTE so you have 150 SP when you go back to her

She regens 75 per QTE so you can just do it twice

[naive shoal]

hle qte with no attack right?

[open bone]

Yeah

Just ult QTE HLE QTE paws

[naive shoal]

alright ill see how it goes

[open bone]

Alternative option is to just do the same thing you did time 2 but skip the paws ult

Both of those might save you some time

Since paws only needs the ult for stellar drain (her qte applies buffs)

And you’re doing a 1 SO run anyway

[steady osprey]

i also notice the sd gather hit dmg is random number, in my case 3m4-5m

fake btw bcs i usually finish in same situation

[open bone]

Are you sometimes picking up shards before then

[steady osprey]

i tried getting close while doing basic seq but does it matter (after ulting to break the hp bar/weak point)

its the number with SD color (pinkish white)

[open bone]

I think it shouldn’t

[steady osprey]

damn let me take another ss and compare the hp bar

nope, no diff

they re both exactly the 1/3 hp

fake number

different score plus?

[open bone]

I think it’s just that in the first picture you collected some shards earlier

So they already did the HP reduction

But it’s the same added reduction either way

[steady osprey]

ah i see

so thats how it happen

yeah in 2nd pic i try to stay far

ok so the sd dmg is dealt while doing ba if i collect the shard by walking onto them

damn, 60xtal is hard to earn

[spiral raven]

pretty eep boss

at least im done and cbf dealing with -2 cuz of sliver

[steady osprey]

somehow i cant deflect the balls with fdd btw

[spiral raven]

i just do it with badum ca for ari

rl rot seems the same

u also use badum ca to deflect

[steady osprey]

yeah badum can

1SO bcs ds so i dont need ari

[spiral raven]

ah yeah

then its just whoever fastest to deflect with ig

[steady osprey]

timer stop while transition so it doesnt matter

and only badum can do it in my team ofc lol

fdd got denied

[spiral raven]

timer only stops after deflect no, but i noticed sometimes when i miss one of the balls, i still get same time

or not

maybe its close thats why

[vernal terrace]

Already locked Valks

[steady osprey]

miss ball of a gate = that gate doesnt open

[spiral raven]

so timer stops at same time no matter what?

[steady osprey]

ig it stop if u success deflect 1 ball/open 1 gate

[spiral raven]

makes sense

p2 u can do a jump btw initially

for the orange light

i didnt do it but maybe i can cook to do it

[steady osprey]

why? i just mash SO button bcs it kill

does evading give buff or counter hit

i did try hle wa ult to break hp before SO but it kill slower

[spiral raven]

gives sd fragments i would guess

[steady osprey]

the sd shard is from the left gate

[spiral raven]

additional sd other than gate, cuz seems to do much more

anyways if i don't jump i lacked dmg, or maybe its purely ari

[steady osprey]

i see let me try it out

[spiral raven]

but ig it would make sense if it didn't give sd fragments and i just mixed it up with something else

cuz otherwise the nirb rots would all do the jump

[steady osprey]

it seem to make he do the charge move (charging hammer for explosion) right away (weakpoint appear)

[spiral raven]

i see

well ig i can sleep

[wicked pivot]

What's Rita's new battlesuit team comps?

[craggy plume]

You are probably more likely to get good answers in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion @wicked pivot

[regal plume]

Guys I’ve been stuck in agony 2 for ages and it still says 225 virtual trophies until rank up how do I get out of agony 2 cus the max I can seem to get is 200

[steady osprey]

u get trophy by ranking high
agony has 5/20 +trophy slot

[regal plume]

I don’t understand how the virtual trophies work I ranked number 3 last time so got +200 but it still says 225 needed for rank up am I doing smth wrong

[formal wigeon]

screenshot it

[steady osprey]

result in top 3 again so u will have 200+200 = 400 bigger than 225 then u will rank up

[regal plume]

But last time it said I needed 225 for rank up and I got +200 but now it still says 225 needed

[steady osprey]

wait lemme check

[formal wigeon]

my guess is that you're not looking at the right thing

[fierce crypt]

ely suck

she teleport during her weap wtf

[quasi pier]

is it the actual trophies or the virtual trophies that the game gives you so you don't rank down immediately?

[steady osprey]

is this what u meant

[regal plume]

Yes

[steady osprey]

i guess u didn't result at slot 3 last time

other players took ur place

[regal plume]

But then I would have still got 100 no?

[steady osprey]

no if u result at 6+ place

[regal plume]

Hmmm I don’t think I did that badly

[steady osprey]

as u can see i got +100 last abyss and -200 last last abyss

[craggy plume]

Last abyss is not on here as that was Heph. It only shows you the ones from last week. So Kevin was two rotations ago and Raven was three rotations ago.

[steady osprey]

oops

ok hoyolab battle chronicle does show my last abyss

[onyx swallow]

Hello!
So need help with newest abyss

Current score with s2 hle 4/4
Paws weaponless
And coralie

I wanna know a few things
The entering the false door thing
Are some options better than others?

And should I do a short ring or the whole paws rotation

[steady osprey]

a coralie?

[onyx swallow]

Yup vbm

[steady osprey]

u need paws part to regen enough SP (at least 300) for hle second SO rot

[craggy plume]

Entering left for extra stardust shards is generally better and The damage requirements in phase 2 is generally low enough in RL with the correct team that one ult cycle is enough. So I would assume it is enough for A3 even with worse team

[onyx swallow]

Oh btw I'm in a3

[steady osprey]

the gate effects are written on screen's left side

left one still best

unless u dont have sd valk then u choose middle

[onyx swallow]

I have like about a bit less than 1/3 of the hp bar left after one so rotation

Maybe I can do with just one so ult if I play better

I had some errors

[onyx swallow]

I see

I thought I didn't pay attention

[craggy plume]

The main problem is that the one WA rotation is pretty reliant on FWS, so it may not be possible without her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdP0nTdrfJ4

[onyx swallow]

Getting 775 rn

After getting the shards, i don't have paws or vbm buffs up
So should I still wa into ult before so

Or just so
I don't exactly know how stardust shards work.
Is it fixed dmg?

[formal wigeon]

Shards are fixed %health dmg yeah

[onyx swallow]

Oh i see

[onyx swallow]

Makes sense
I'll try the double wa rotation too

[elfin parrot]

i have this messy write up on SD mechanics including shards if you want details #👶beginner-help message

[regal plume]

I’ll have a look

[steady osprey]

no i was wrong it only show last week. u need to check in hoyolab battle chronicle for the most recent one

[regal plume]

Ah

[onyx swallow]

Its slower

After one so rotation I have like only bar of hp left

It's better to use some ba then enhanced ult into wa ult in my experience

[onyx swallow]

Thx for this

[pale musk]

I don’t have HLE for this abyss but I do have Thelema, Songque, Sena, Helia, badum and fdd. Is promoting likely? What team should I try?

[steady osprey]

badum cant supp thel

songque can though

[onyx swallow]

I see

So even in the first phase after the checkpoint the boss drops shards?

I don't think I'm picking them up hmm

How do they look on ground :()

[steady osprey]

could be thel jds sena

[regal plume]

I heard somewhere that the BP orbs don’t change anymore is that true?

[elfin parrot]

@onyx swallow lets use this first fight in this video as an example to see the concepts I wrote about

[elfin parrot]

yes it's true

!faq crystallum

[night parcel]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[onyx swallow]

The boss switched it's hp color after the first hle ult

[elfin parrot]

0:14 FWS Weapon active hit for her own 8% max hp reduction https://i.imgur.com/AbpfF0n.jpeg

0:25 HLE full Ult force triggers the checkpoint https://i.imgur.com/mUsogxZ.jpeg

[regal plume]

Ty

[onyx swallow]

I see

[elfin parrot]

0:27 HLE weapon actives which gathers all the shards the boss drops from the checkpoint reach https://i.imgur.com/OsNWwkk.jpeg

you can see the 10 above the hp bar

https://i.imgur.com/qOXZPoa.jpeg then it goes away here when the WA actually hits (you can see the HUGE chunk of hp removed. It's not the WA direct damage. It's the shards)

[bleak blade]

whats the ost that plays in assaka bossfight?4

[onyx swallow]

I seeee

Thx for explaining this

I didn't knew about this mechanic before

[elfin parrot]

what i didn't wrote in my guide is that HLE has an additional effect. When she pops any checkpoint and the last checkpoint is triggered for the phase iirc, the duration of the crystalline state is reduced so the boss reverts sooner so you can deal more damage

https://i.imgur.com/Fes8208.png
https://i.imgur.com/lgc9W5q.jpeg

[onyx swallow]

Oh that's nice

Time to aim for a higher score

[elfin parrot]

the dashed lines in the hp bar are the removed max hp btw

but anyway if it was any other valk, they would still be dealing reduced damage from the crystalline state still being up at this point.

[elfin parrot]

you can see the actual damage of the WA here (without the crystalline reduction so it's technically more than before) https://i.imgur.com/KBfX1vZ.jpeg

you can see the damage pales in comparison to earlier because there's no shards going on

anyway that's all i have time for. See you

[elfin parrot]

You're going to need to be more specific because i can think of the MA fight, the snowwolf fight, or the vocal track that plays later.

[bleak blade]

what there literally only one song thats playing its from the chapter 5

[elfin parrot]

You didn't specify ch 5. Assaka shows up all over the game

[bleak blade]

oh sorry i didnt know that

[elfin parrot]

All g. Anyway i don't have the answer off the top of my head but maybe someone else can help now that that's established

[scenic trellis]

for this abyss

this or hi elf leader

[boreal eagle]

hi elf leader

and add badum

[scenic trellis]

ok thanks with horb or ps?

[boreal eagle]

i think sus

[full trench]

horb pretty bad for goi

[scenic trellis]

ok thanks

[elfin parrot]

was it this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uJR22WksQs

[bleak blade]

yup thank you so much

ts is so peak

[haughty lily]

I completely forgot about the spending event shop but I can’t find the shop anymore, can I still use these before they expire ?

[scenic trellis]

first abyss on rl , and my score is this terrible, gonna record later or tomorrow if someone can help me

[quasi pier]

nope, the shop's gone

[haughty lily]

Even when the currency is not expired ?

[quasi pier]

yeah for some reason the shop went away before the currency did

[haughty lily]

Oh... I saw the date and thought I was right on time before the shop closed... too bad

[prisma nebula]

Is there anything I could do better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwsgpUZbWmE

[copper escarp]

would HLE be better with Key of Ego than Call of Crecent? I took KoE off my HoH because i pulled her Astral Ring weapon and now its just sitting there

[craggy plume]

You missed activating Stellar drain with VBm which means that you can't activate SO immediately in phase 2 so I would change your starter to use her WA to build stacks over using ULT. ULT should also only be used as the first action before the boss spawns as it is very slow. @prisma nebula

[scenic trellis]

how do we know which door is the false door?

[prisma nebula]

There's no truly any "false door" they just do different things

Left gives shards middle give 8% damage and I don't remember right it didn't seem that good.

[scenic trellis]

so like u did left should be the better one?

[prisma nebula]

If you're using a SD character like hle should be.

[scenic trellis]

thanks ❤️ yeah im using her

and thanks on your video got what i was doign wrong

was activating SO on the first phase

and the second phase was long af

gonna try again later

[onyx swallow]

Man your seems to do so much more dmg 😂

Is fdd such an upgrade over paws

[craggy plume]

Breach is generally pretty important and FDD is therefore normally the best pick for GoI for damage.

[full trench]

i think it depends on disturbance how much better fdd is

[prisma nebula]

Thanks I got 814

[open bone]

Neither of them are very good for HLE. You could try swapping them - key ought to give more attack which is something - but I wouldn’t expect too much out of either

[onyx swallow]

I see

[formal forge]

[scenic trellis]

can i do something better here to up my score

currently on rl did 730

[open bone]

Yes, you’re messing up your rotation a bunch. Like doing the full dps rotation on PS

For no reason, as a support you just do QTE, or QTE WA if you need stellar drain

(You don’t)

[scenic trellis]

not even ult?

[open bone]

Ult is fine

But is just a bit of damage and not particularly important one way or another

The important thing is that you get the QTE for buffs

And avoid the very time expensive combo attack

[full trench]

ult would be important for making the qte faster if hoyo was good

[scenic trellis]

alright gonna try again then only gonna use qte wa for both fws and ps

should i record again in case i mess up anything?

[open bone]

In this rot you don’t need the WA on PS

You do it for stellar drain but you don’t need stellar drain here

Badum still wants to do the WA tho yeah

For max hp down

You also don’t need to do the PS WA in stellar outburst either

[scenic trellis]

but dont i need to do wa on ps to trigger badum/hle qte next?

[full trench]

make sure to turn auto cast immaculate duet off

[open bone]

^ immaculate duet isn’t needed here, just normal WA

[weak drum]

also wouldnt opening with hle be better

you can force door into the pink state immediately on opening

[open bone]

No, HLE’s QTE was already ready

Before PS clicked WA

[spiral raven]

hle hear first siren+pause immediate weap ult then badum ca wa

[open bone]

Probably yeah. HLE WA ult -> PS QTE ult -> HLE QTE -> Badum QTE WA Ult -> HLE QTE Ult should work better

Or that order yeah actually

[scenic trellis]

ok thanks last thing where do i turn that thing off xD

cant find it in ps settings

[open bone]

Immaculate duet is on Badum

[scenic trellis]

sorry xD

[weak drum]

also you dont use the badum hold wa attack btw

the charge atk is literally holding her basic atk

you just tap wa then charge atk, that’s why you want the auto skill to be off on badum (basically all the time on most runs)

[scenic trellis]

thanks ❤️

ok got a little betterdid 744 now

gonna try again tho before sending a video cause i feel like i can be bit better

[bitter sundial]

is there anything i can do to reach a higher mark?

[weak drum]

yes, stop wasting time on hohe, she isnt the dps in that team

you basically wasted like 50 points and all you did was chip like 1% of the boss’s hp

[bitter sundial]

idk how to do like the rotation or anything vfgdhjk

[weak drum]

all hohe needs to do is qte and wa and thats it

[bitter sundial]

okey okey

[weak drum]

brb ig lemme check out the rot ingame

[steady osprey]

qte wa activate ult

[spiral raven]

in general qte can be turned off

for hle/badum

but depends on your damage

[steady osprey]

badum wont get free ult if u do that

[spiral raven]

yeah but that's fine

[weak drum]

eh a 782 rl should be more than enough for a3

[full trench]

why the bad score

[weak drum]

hohe badum

oh wait lmao i fogot to rec

[full trench]

i meant for hohe badum

[weak drum]

because i couldnt give a shit about doing an actual run

[steady osprey]

hieule got 835 with hohe badum

[weak drum]

its a3 eu

literally a random run would make you t3

[steady osprey]

okay

[full trench]

well u need to dps on the right valk

[steady osprey]

if there isnt another guy following ref

[weak drum]

and that’s what im trying to tell the cherry guy

ykw, help them

[bitter sundial]

LMAO

[weak drum]

instead of criticizing me for not telling them how to do shits that a casual player wouldnt do

all they need is just know how to do a basic rot

[bitter sundial]

i mean, i play genshin so im used to do rotations on teams, idrk how it works on here tbh

[full trench]

erm i think hohe is just qte for buffs, ult is for damage and wa is stellar drain

[weak drum]

also its 831 smh, ik its a 4p diff but give me correct info next time

[full trench]

4p diff is a lot

[scenic trellis]

best i could do, tried like 5/6 runs and all were worst after this one, any more tips appreciated ❤️

[steady osprey]

woops sr my memory combined with the 825 one

[full trench]

awa bought a new pc for 4 more points

[weak drum]

give them a full rot, they straight up dunno how to play the team

they’re doing the full dps rot on every valk

even hohe

[full trench]

oh

[bitter sundial]

that reminds me, how do we know which door is the false one?

[weak drum]

none of them, the transl is bad

[bitter sundial]

a

[weak drum]

just pick the left door for sd shards

[bitter sundial]

Icic, tyty

[steady osprey]

what the right door give?

[weak drum]

like i said, there are no false doors

[steady osprey]

ari like in open world?

[weak drum]

left = sd shards
mid = tdm
right = heal or smt

[full trench]

rotations aren't fixed like genshin since you go over ult cooldowns and energy isnt a limiting resource among other reasons, i'd start by looking at hieu le or something and just ignore or ask about what you can't understand

hohe and fws always use qte + ult and you do stellar drain if you need it and havent used it, fws also has max hp reduction and shard gather on wa which is important

[bitter sundial]

damn, i did it better

just searched that channel and saw someone using the same team

a higher score

[full trench]

yeah because the boss has significantly less hp for you lol

[bitter sundial]

thats true too

im in agony II

hopefully agony III after this

[spiral raven]

alr very late start

can hle ult at 1000

after ps should swap into badum then into hle

[scenic trellis]

ok thanks gonna try again with that later then

i thought she needed 150

to fully ult

thats why i added basics first

[spiral raven]

don't dps without buff, end of p1 should just rebuff

[spiral raven]

im saying the start

u hit weapon and u get 150

which u can weap early cuz it lingers around

so the moment boss comes out u can hold ult

[scenic trellis]

wont i lose the weapon dmg tho

its still 530k unbuffed

[spiral raven]

the weapon dmg won't matter because he aint in pink state before it

[spiral raven]

meaningless number

[scenic trellis]

oh ok thanks

[onyx swallow]

1 point better after malding for hours

[steady osprey]

[spiral raven]

can hold ely ult in transition going through door, u stayed on hle to dps even though you had no buffs,

after hold ult go through door, rebuff, or you should've dodgded all the current on badum, and you should have ulti, in p2, if you did ely ult thru door, swapping back to badum he will do yellow light slam, jump and then ult and you should have ring available, then you just ring

[scenic trellis]

on p2 i instaltly s0 so i get auto rebuffed eright?

[onyx swallow]

I'm 2nd in the bracket currently

1st is like 780ish rn

Hope people don't score much

[spiral raven]

u do get buff, but its more dmg to just use ring the moment you get it, and you should have enough dmg to kill in ring or after ring, another wa ult should kill

[spiral raven]

if you did this, you would have ring on badum, then that means your ult cd gets reset, so you ult again, now you can swap to ps to ult on her if you need more damage

otherwise go hle and you can do hold ult wa hold ult and finish SO

[scenic trellis]

alright gonna try again

messed it up so much and still did a better score xD

[spiral raven]

ur still not doing the opening i said

[steady osprey]

i used hieule strategy, got 808 1st time then spend 1-2 hour to get worse score

[scenic trellis]

yeah i messed it up

trying again now

already at 753 with the opening u said

but messed it up half way, so think i can reach 760

[spiral raven]

u just stay on hle and don't swap to badum or anything, then after you hear first siren and wait a bit, then wa hold ult, when you press wa, the red circle hasn't finished

[onyx swallow]

😂

Everyone is either using fws or fdd
I tried finding smth for my team but why would anyone use a worse team

[spiral raven]

you shouldn't be doing that evade at the start

[scenic trellis]

alright gonna try like that

[spiral raven]

when you use ult, the enemy should just spawn in or not spawned in yet

but you do it too early if your ult doesn't force them to be in pink hp

[spiral raven]

you didn't hit wa on kiana initially there

[steady osprey]

if fws wa hit u will see the boss hp got reduced a little chunk

[scenic trellis]

did 760 this time but still doing the hle weapon too late at the start, and did like 2 uncharged ults somehow xD dont know why i get so nervous doing a damn rotation xD

feels like my fingers slip to other keys

[onyx swallow]

I looked some runs and it feels I'm just lacking dmg (and fps) due to inferior team

[spiral raven]

just do a hle weapon a bit after you see warning pop up, like before you see red circle.

if you just hit the badum wa initially fully and not cancel the second part of it with your ulti, you don't need to wa the second time you swap onto her in p1 and you did 2 wa, when you should've only done one

on hle when your weap just about to come back up, you can consider delaying it and ulting after your ba4 then do wa ult in p1,

then you should dodge currents with kiana, and dodge them all or most so that if you do ely ult through door (hold ult on ely, she will go through door automatically because ult pulls you across) and then kiana jump dodge yellow and wa ult, you should have ring atp

[spiral raven]

what's ur team anyways

[scenic trellis]

alright gonna save this for tomorrow, off to sleep for today, thanks a lot for the tips ❤️

[open bone]

How do you make it so going through the door doesn’t interrupt your ult charging

That gets me every time, it’s not that it works inconsistently it just doesn’t work at all

[dusky mantle]

Omg its epercay. Does the JDS backdoor trick still work

[spiral raven]

use mouse

click button on screen

[open bone]

Oh that works but holding keys doesn’t?

Ic

[spiral raven]

no it hates keyboard players

[spiral raven]

yes

[dusky mantle]

Noice

[dusky mantle]

Wew

I have to plug in my mouse now?

[spiral raven]

basically

[open bone]

Sweet that worked. Finally 800+

Now I just need to fix my intro

[steady osprey]

wat jds backdoor

[eager smelt]

u had to mouse click from behind the door to pre hit the boss

[urban panther]

is there any way to get adventure xp from the schicksal hq to level it up without doing adventure tasks

alternatively is it better to do apho to grind crystals 💀

i need 16 pulls in like 6 days

[open bone]

You mean the schicksal HQ xp or the adventure rank one

[urban panther]

i think the hq xp

[open bone]

Then you should be able to get some by exploring the map and collecting items and fighting minibosses

[urban panther]

im trying to get my hq leveled up so i can continue its story and do the bosses for crystals

i think i already did that though 😔

[open bone]

It does reset… iirc weekly?

For some of the materials and bosses

[urban panther]

sounds about right

[open bone]

If you’re just looking for crystals, have you looked at the one time crystal source pin?

[urban panther]

is it in this channel?

[open bone]

Beginner help

[urban panther]

what do you mean by 1 time crystal source exactly

i dont think i see it

sorry to make you spell it out 💀

[open bone]

#👶beginner-help message

[urban panther]

ty

i think my best bet would be elysian realm signets at this point

what's the special enhanced signets refer to though

each flame chaser has 4 and you get 20 crystals from doing them

[open bone]

If you get one of the nexus signets it unlocks a bunch of follow-up signets you can get

If that’s what you mean

[urban panther]

that's what i thought it was but i don't think that's what it refers to because some of those are included in the other thing where you get 50 crystals for all of them

[spiral raven]

sounds like each valks own ego signets, tho that would be 5 instead

[urban panther]

nah because kevin had one for example

[quasi pier]

back in the day, each flamechaser used to have 1 nexus, and gave 50 xtals for getting all of their signets with the first nexus included. when they added the second nexus, they gave an extra 20 for getting all of those

basically getting all of a flamechaser's regular signets and all of the enhanced signets of their first nexus core gives 50 xtals. getting all the enhanced signets for their second nexus core gives 20 more xtals

[digital sky]

Thats nice to know thanks

[quasi pier]

oh you didn't get everything from er yet?

[digital sky]

No i meant the backstory

Love me some trivia

[quasi pier]

ah

[urban panther]

ok makes sense thanks

[wooden patrol]

do u guys know or have if there's any vid for an HLE FDD PS run

i haven't checked myself but i just said it here just incase ehe

[cunning gull]

for this boss specifically?
i wonder if you have hoh bc shes good if you dont have fws
if you dont then lemme see if i can find one

[wooden patrol]

yesssss i do have hoh but i decided its not worth to backpull for her dkey

[cunning gull]

ahh i see so youre stuch with hle ps fdd

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/iQkz683_fCU I'm having trouble figuring out what to use for this boss to make t3 or at least survive. What should I focus my time on? https://youtu.be/KTaH-C0hxJQ
Ik these are kinda unoptimized, this is just to get a sense of the damage they do to Epernay - as the best damage dealing is probably what I should use.

[eager smelt]

go look at some release epernay runs

[pale musk]

It's all gonna be HLE but ok

[eager smelt]

what

why would hle be there on runs over a year old

[pale musk]

1st result

[cunning gull]

not frost epernay runs

since that will all have hle

look at the older versions that use jds for example

[pale musk]

this one is in beta but has Lantern and Sera, I have neither.
My point is that most runs end up sucking cause I don't have what they have

[cunning gull]

i would rather use bili bili just set the time so that its during the jds shill version

[eager smelt]

even if u dont have sera just learn how they do the rot

there is stuff u can learn

https://youtu.be/Ly5JDOKoqRU?si=HVMculhqSosUXcBB
this is probably the best run ive ever done in my entire hi3 career

[pale musk]

what if DK Ely is stronger cause ice buff?

[cunning gull]

she might be but i dont think anyone posted a run with it

[pale musk]

Exactly, so that's why I made my own run for you guys to judge the damage.

[eager smelt]

whats the point of judging dmg if the run isnt done right

id trust songque more

sd bonuses are good

[wooden patrol]

pretty much

[pale musk]

I thought at least the dps numbers could be enough evidence. It's the same damage but just at times where it attacks the health bar differently (more/less optimally) so I don't see why someone couldn't come up with a decent theory on how good the team could be.

[open bone]

I would geusss that even if you had HoHE you’d really want fish support to pop the breaks

[eager smelt]

because theres a lot more to it than the dps

which u arent doing so its hard to tell

[narrow cedar]

the best run youve ever done is 937 shadow knight

[eager smelt]

anything is possible under enough stress
but i didnt cap that i was just faster than everyone else

[narrow cedar]

you cna only cap that if you can press 120x per sec

and also you needed sss+3 song lol

[cunning gull]

i tested it for a lil bit
didnt get a result im satisfied with but i suppose you can take some info from what i did while were at it

normally a rot with these valks would be fdd then ps then hle until SO or fdd buffs expire
in phase 1 i tried ps first then hle ult then fdd stuff then hle stuff
during transition i did 2 dodge jump and when the balls showed up i hit them with a hle basic and entered the door
in phase 2 i did SO with hle then fdd then ps then hle until finisher, if theres still some hp you can do a wp and hold ult with hle
theres still room for improvement for what i did but you can consider it if no one else could give you advice or if you didnt find a video to copy

[wooden patrol]

I see, ill try this out, ty

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/_2hq0nvHWOk?si=cMUViazsN65GzZVP I'm stopping tonight cause it's almost midnight but here's how it's going.

[onyx swallow]

https://youtu.be/yKy6bGKCyNI?si=xwPF47N3WuuR0ft1

When I record with my phone's inbuilt recorder it seems to skip frames
Sorry for the 'agony' you gotta go thru watching this

I'm in a3 currently and would like to know if there's smth i should do to improve the score

[open bone]

No need to WA before the first ult

You can ult -> WA -> ult

[craggy plume]

Immediate ult on HLE as the first action on her each lifebar instead of WA as it pops the SD state so the WA damage is wasted.

[onyx swallow]

I tried that earlier but get a lower score with it

I don't know why

[open bone]

If you were on PC you could try holding ult as you go through the door but I don’t think there’s a way to do it on mobile. Outside of that… if you triggered paws stellar drain on the rocks in transition, or just did more ari farming, you could probably start part with SO

And that would probably save a little bit of time- hold ult, qte paws, ult combo, qte HLE, wa wa ult finisher - but not a ton

I think you’re also not holding your last ult all the way at the end of phase and end up needing to do basics after

But I’m not 100% certain

[craggy plume]

Phase 1 right?

[open bone]

Yeah

[onyx swallow]

Using paws during so gives me a worse score

[round arch]

yes, by just playing at higher FPS lmao

[open bone]

Yes, this is only if you’re doing instant SO

Doing the same with but with paws ult will reduce score

It’s only if you can click SO right at transition

[onyx swallow]

Yup i thought I could save some time by not fully holding the ult. Since the hp was so low

I miscalculated

[onyx swallow]

You click so just before going thru the door right?

[open bone]

Yeah, though just after should work fine too since you aren’t on PC and can’t precharge the first ult

[onyx swallow]

Trust it's better than it actually looks

Still dudu but atleast not on the level of say thelema without weapon

[open bone]

Which would save you a bunch of score if it was possible

[onyx swallow]

I did one run with so just before going thru door

Then used wa*2 hold ult
Then paws rotation

But it seems that don't need to do wa*2 at the start of phase?

[craggy plume]

You should not WA first

[onyx swallow]

This seems to be to break the hands before ely does her so rotation?

[craggy plume]

To make it enter the SD state before

[onyx swallow]

I see

I'll try this

Feels like could get better score with this

[plucky lotus]

I predicted horribly but it seems that others predicted with even worse success

[wooden patrol]

during p2 was ur SO available immediately?? ive been doing some runs and after transition i only get like 171 -172 and i think it makes me waste a bit more time than i should

[wooden patrol]

idk if this info helps but at the start of transition i had 166 and after it i had that 171 - 172 . I dont exactly know how i got the 6 but if i do, i think itd be possible to do SO immediately at p2?

based on my runs it's kind of the only thing that i think i can improve on

the best run i could do was 792 d472 (A3) i have a feelings its a bit eh tho...

[craggy plume]

Are you using Ult on both supports at some point for stellar drain? You should not have issues with doing an immediate SO with that score

[edgy hamlet]

How do you go through the door while holding elysia's attack?

It just cancels it out for me

[wooden patrol]

uhhh I don't know at what point i do ps ult

so i dont do it cuz i dont notice any difference

does stellar drain have some sort of cd btw?

[craggy plume]

Each character can do one stellar drain attack for 20 extra astral intensity each SO, for GoI this is tied to their ult you can maybe do it in the transition.

[half hatch]

i think you're confusing SP and shining trace generation with stellar drain, afaik no HLE support has stellar drain on their ult

outside of SO ult is mainly used for swap CD reset

[spiral raven]

u keyboard player yea, use mouse and click ult button on screen

[wooden patrol]

basically what i did with my run was ps skill, hle ult, fdd rot, hle rot until dead (it takes me wa ult and 2 more ults to do p1) and by transition id have 166 by then, and i maybe think i get 1 ari whenever i dodge during transi??? i jump 2 times ba with hle, then enter door. Once i go to p2 i only have 171-172 at that point and i kill time by BAing

[spiral raven]

have to use mouse and click button

[onyx swallow]

What does paws have stellar drain on btw?

[half hatch]

ah right

forgot about her

she has ult

[edgy hamlet]

huh but im on controller

I can swap quickly ig?

[wooden patrol]

all of my valks do stellar drain in the beginning but never again in p1 i think

[spiral raven]

u try and find out or rebind stuff, or just swap to keyboard for when u get to it, and then have mouse ready at the ult

after u get it, u can swap back yeah

[edgy hamlet]

So I just move the mouse to her ult button and keep holding it as i go through the door?

[spiral raven]

u dont need to walk, elysia ult will pull u into door

[half hatch]

makes sense because you only get 1 stellar drain stack per valk when you enter the battle or when you exit SO

[wooden patrol]

I JUST FEEL LIKEEE I can get a little bit more scroe if i have so ready right after transition but hows 792 d472 ??

[spiral raven]

her weapon also funnily drags u across the entire field as well, most cases u dont need to do this tho kek

[edgy hamlet]

ahh ok I will try it and see

thank you

[spiral raven]

just stand at left door and be close but not too close, and then mouse click and hold the ult yeah

then the moment u get ult off can swap back

[edgy hamlet]

I need a third hand... or maybe I use foot pedals and bind that

[edgy hamlet]

What am i doing wrong? It just freezes instead of changing its form

[spiral raven]

too far

u cross door and it hits instantly

not giving him time to do his thing

if u do it closer to door, it gives him time to rise into the air

which then he wont get frozen

so thats why u cant be too close or too far

too close u lose some time

too far he frozen

[edgy hamlet]

oh alright, thats pretty weird ...

I think Ill look at some refs to see where they stand

[eager smelt]

bring out the mouse if everything fails

[edgy hamlet]

I did have to swap to mouse. Wasnt able to do it on controller

[spiral raven]

min max is like a point at most tho, im sleeping and gonna play some other games instead

[edgy hamlet]

Im just trying to get one run in at least

ok I got it

[eager smelt]

now swap to mouse permanently

[edgy hamlet]

I am NOT relearning the whole game now lmao

[eager smelt]

yes u are

[edgy hamlet]

Thats an easy one way trip to agony I if I do that

[eager smelt]

i did it in nirvana to copy a jp ref

u can do it too

[edgy hamlet]

ehhh not that many incentives I feel like

[eager smelt]

u can fight s2 as s0 with mouse

[edgy hamlet]

Not with my skill

[eager smelt]

not with ur controller

[shut stone]

should I pull HoH GK or Sena for Rita?

[craggy plume]

You should be sure you can guarantee Rita + weapon before thinking about either of these. You have basically no crystals left

In general I would skip both if you aren't spending a lot as they aren't that impactful

[cunning gull]

sorry i only saw this rn
i did ps 2 weapons (second hitting boss while he's close to the ground) ult > hle qte hold ult > fdd qte weapon ult > hle weapon/basics ult and repeat until the boss is dead
(if your damage is lacking you'll not be able to kill part 1 within fdd's buff duration)
and i already had SO ready before the end of part 1 then i did transition and then i go through the door and use SO
i did near 800 granted its rl and my atk is pretty high for rl standards but seeing that you managed near 800 is nice but i do think you would wanna check your own run and see what hiccups you did that you can fix

for example any lags between the combos or if you got hit or made a small mistake on the way

[scenic trellis]

what are those banners? is that a returnee or new player thing?

[craggy plume]

Sena is starter banner

[narrow cedar]

what's wrong with controller wawa

i use it @eager smelt

no mouse propaganda for u

[crude cloak]

Imejin if mouse didn't work either somehow

Mobile propaganda would be real

[vernal terrace]

Mobile feels clunky against certain bosses

[placid kelp]

Hello, I'm an old player that stopped playing right before p2 valks are out. I have a few questions as I've been coming back to this game after a few years, since p1 valks are out of meta and p2 valks are roughly needed for every team, should i save crystals and get the latest valks or i can just get anyone?

[hearty yacht]

depends on your goals, if you are planning on being competitive (abyss focus for higher crystal income) then preferably only pull the newer characters (mainly the debut valk of the patch) if you can secure her weapon as well

!faq rates

[night parcel]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[rare iris]

||https://youtu.be/b9jqzAlX8dY weirdge valk||

[placid kelp]

im planning on being competitive, right now i have 13k crystals and 50 cards saved up, if im getting next debut valk is there any other p2 valks i need to get other than VB?

i knew i was being behind when doing the abyss using mobius and got 650 in sinful 3

[craggy plume]

In general there isn't a big gap in value overall since there isn't distinct support and dps valks anymore, so it is hard for someone to be better then just newest valk and getting new valk + weapon is pretty taxing for your reserves overall unless you are spending a lot.

||In practice what ME wants for her dps use case is two supports with the Harmonized shadow star tag, you can cope with Rite of oblivion valks but this is sub-optimal||. In general though just getting the newest one should get you to a decent place after 2-3 patches.

For more info on P2 teambuilding in particular read the last link @placid kelp

[lime grail]

https://tenor.com/view/true-gif-14423606592036775082

jk its peak

[normal cloak]

Exalted MA Refs for 12/16/2025 - 12/21/2025 [Invite Link Here if channels are unknown](#💁gameplay-help message)
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[placid kelp]

Thanks a lot, i finally understand p2 valks mechanics, I'll wait for newer valks to support next patch valk until then I'm gonna need to farm helia and coralie😌

[obtuse lintel]

dude, i've been struggling for literaly more than an hour in this part because it just wasnt getting me through the door

and all i had to do is get google translator to read that i had to hold ult with the mouse instead of the keyboard 😐😐😐

why does that happen?

[fair oyster]

Elysia always move randomly when holding ult, so for this it’s probably either feature or a bug

[obtuse lintel]

its the same animation

and you press ult in both cases

the difference is doing ult with the mouse or with the keyboard

[fair oyster]

Like i said it’s either a feature or a bug on herself

Maybe try reporting this to cs and we’ll see if it’s really a feature

[obtuse lintel]

how would be that a feature

[fair oyster]

Idk, If they don’t fix then it’s probably not a bug

[obtuse lintel]

fish skip lasted a long and they fixed it

[fair oyster]

Imo, it’s still doable

But with diff tech

[obtuse lintel]

havent seen it since

[fair oyster]

But I’m not sure since i didn’t use it

I’m too lazy to learn new techs

[full trench]

this guy ratting fish skip 3 wtf

[eager smelt]

this guy ratting fish skip 3 wtf

if i had fish skip 3 i would have confidently fought sparkle on kevin

[eager smelt]

keyboard has a slight delay when compared to mouse
whatever that delay does is ruining the run dont ask me why

[mint plover]

YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME

i have been fucking struggling all the afternoon not knowing what the hell was wrong

and i had to swich from controller to mouse to do it?

[lament prairie]

how am I supposed to deflect the chunks?

used to do it with que wa, now no idea what the fuck I'm supposed to do

[open bone]

With HLE I just used basics, with FWS combo attack

[lament prairie]

...hle can do it?

what the fuck?

[open bone]

It’s not limited to melee parries

[lament prairie]

I didn't even know hle has parries

[hearty yacht]

BRUH

Welp back to malding

Shitty fucking game

[vernal terrace]

Agreed

[craggy ivy]

Just translate from pinned comment

Does anyone know what fast A is though for fws

[thick aspen]

A is basic attack

[craggy ivy]

https://youtu.be/JdP0nTdrfJ4?t=14s

Ya but what's hold A (fast)

[cunning gull]

yk when you jump and hold her basic to do that drum atk?
theres a ground version and in here hieu le does it but cancel it quickly by swaping

[cunning gull]

the animation if was left to be finished would have put her in the air

[open bone]

I’ve been skill issuing on that one a lot myself

[craggy ivy]

O

[weak drum]

actually it was bc the basic hold animation only needs badum to just even slightly hit door for the buff to proc

thats what the vietnamese lines said in the ()

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/Ly5JDOKoqRU?si=8YMNjV9-Ncq8yY8F Can someone explain the inputs for both Stellar Outbursts?

[urban panther]

what does it mean to tune my flawless benediction?

from what im reading i think i dont want to do that?

[hearty yacht]

!faq tune

[night parcel]

Should I "Tune"?

Sorry for the confusion, Captain!

The warning that appears for tuning is translated poorly. Tuning a weapon turns it into a [Divine Key](#👶beginner-help message) - the warning tries to tell you that...

When tuned, the weapon:

• Cannot be salvaged.
• Cannot be used to craft a PRI-ARM that is not its own.
• Can be used to craft its respective PRI-ARM.
• Gives you Divine Key bonuses such as +10 accountwide attack (see the Divine Keys Menu).

-# Please note that if you pull multiple copies of a Stellar Key (Part 2 Divine Key) you tune the one you will be upgrading - note that locked copies cannot be used to upgrade its Synergy level until unlocked, which takes 24h.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[crude cloak]

I assume you're asking about the non-full-bar attacks
He just does basics + WAs sometimes, iirc you need to press WA very early during the basic for the basic's recovery to cancel

[urban panther]

so in that case I should tune it?

[crude cloak]

Yes

[hearty yacht]

Always tune

[urban panther]

ok thanks

[modern yew]

How do u enter the door while hle is still charging her bow, i tried to do it and she always fires early

[hearty yacht]

Hold ult with mouse

Assuming you arent on mobile

[crude cloak]

Keep in mind that this resets the basics sequence counter, which means you technically deal lower damage overall

[modern yew]

Me when i dont have mouse

[crude cloak]

And check whether you have enough SP

[hearty yacht]

Then no hold ult through door

[pale musk]

can you time-stamp the sometimes? It's hard to tell really what's a basic and what's a WA and what's justSongque's normal animations

[modern yew]

Yea its 150 sp

[hearty yacht]

^ use a wa before transition to be safe

Assuming you are ending phase 1 with hle so

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/Ly5JDOKoqRU?si=TUO_zMlaI253Hi_1&t=125 also, what is happening at this timestamp? What are their inputs?

[hearty yacht]

Basic in so is when she hit the ground, she gets 2 stacks of her bar above hp

Weapon skill in so consumes stacks to charge up your hold atk

[crude cloak]

When he does the cancel it looks like he gets only 1 stack

But he obviously still gets 2, 1 of them just gets used up immediately

In P1 he does it only once, you can refer to that

[pale musk]

do they basic attack at all in SO in part 1?

[crude cloak]

Yes, 1 basic + WA

After the first CA

iirc Dephite had a vid about that, lemme check

[crude cloak]

Nvm, they don't talk about how to do it

[pale musk]

I'm having trouble with the transistion, any tips and any tips for p1?

https://youtu.be/YO6ek6Au0mU This is probably the best team I can make at the moment. Would I be able to at least retain or should I give up?

[weak drum]

late to da party but if ur trackpad is good then its possible too

[dusky mantle]

What if mobilr

[hearty yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-behavior-be-like-gif-10607292567092564523

[weak drum]

die

[hearty yacht]

Dont be toxic

[dusky mantle]

Damn

Seriously

[weak drum]

thats what happens thoo

[weak drum]

yeah, trackpad is already pushing it

[hearty yacht]

Inside voices ches

[weak drum]

the tip of my finger is gonna be fried after this abyss

sliding on the trackpad for like 2 hours

[crude cloak]

Works perfectly fine

[weak drum]

holy shit?

[crude cloak]

The mouse is used on PC to emulate mobile input

[weak drum]

thats insane

[hearty yacht]

...

Do i even want to know

[weak drum]

ok im blaming my shitty phone then

i just couldnt even do it on mobile

[hearty yacht]

!faq ches

[night parcel]

Not Giving Advice is better than Wrong Advice!

Hi Captain! Sorry to cut you off...

Ai-chan recommends that you leave the advising to more experienced captains, but we appreciate your enthusiasm.

If you aren't sure if the advice you want to give is correct, please wait for others in the channel to answer instead. You wouldn't want to be responsible for someone making a huge mistake!

[weak drum]

what tye fuck

[hearty yacht]

[crude cloak]

Surely it's not Android vs iOS

[weak drum]

surely not

[dusky mantle]

Ches sabotaging me

[weak drum]

preventing you from rl retain

[crude cloak]

Gotta learn the mouse in general if you're a PC player

[weak drum]

oh also aiming the wa so hle gets push back right near the left door is so cancer for me

[crude cloak]

Less input lag + can spam faster (via both KB and mouse)

[weak drum]

decided to just raw dog the ult

[weak drum]

i was debating between buying a mouse/controller at the fes i went to

[hearty yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/davechapelle-cool-imcool-no-nah-gif-4986305

[crude cloak]

What WA

[weak drum]

but then i saw that they had hi3 figs

[crude cloak]

You don't do WA during the door part

[weak drum]

what the

[crude cloak]

You just do the regular ult

[weak drum]

why is the stupid cn ref im copying doing it

[crude cloak]

I've only seen regular ult refs

Can you link it?

[hearty yacht]

Tf?

[weak drum]

like you wa and hle gets perfectly pushed back near the left door then you ult so hle goes in and you basically wastes no time bc of atf

[weak drum]

idk i deleted the link bc baby rage

[crude cloak]

Bruh

[hearty yacht]

Ches you

[weak drum]

its annoying as fuck and 3am ches was not having it

[hearty yacht]

[weak drum]

[hearty yacht]

It's ok we're dealing with an old baby

Cant get mad over someone who doesn't know better yet

[crude cloak]

You're the type to tilt queue for 30 games in a row in comp games I assume

[weak drum]

i kept on having hle ult somehow moved through the door cracks and not triggering the door

[weak drum]

[hearty yacht]

Ches did you try the normal run

[modern yew]

I already did it, 832, not gonna try for higher

[weak drum]

havent tried it, on a bus rn tho, gonna try when im not sandwiched between 2 guys who looks like they’re about to ask me to buy detox tea

[hearty yacht]

How much

Indigestion for 10 cents is pretty good deal

[weak drum]

probs some inflated price

[weak drum]

mf i cant even buy a candy with 10 cents

come on vn isnt that bad just yet

[hearty yacht]

You never know

[weak drum]

oh actually nvm

you can buy a piece of candy for 10 cents yeah

[crude cloak]

Dayum

[pale musk]

can I have some advice here please?

[dusky mantle]

So. Hle fws hohe?

[weak drum]

hle fws fdd

hohe is copege

[hearty yacht]

Mostly saving time to improve your rot, it looks like youre doing random inputs in p1, idk if you need to switch to sena either

Can dodge with thel in p2 to trigger jds qte and get your last moi stack as well

[dusky mantle]

Errr

R u sure? Causr like t1 to t5 in my bracket uses hohe

[hearty yacht]

Hohe pretty good in rl

Fdd is more of nirv pick

[hearty yacht]

Can test with both, though rot can heavily change depending on dmg

[weak drum]

fdd still scores higher tho

smh doubting ches is doubting hi3 itself

[hearty yacht]

Going off what another rl player told me

Cant confirm myself

[weak drum]

for some reason i cant match most hohe runs, no way hohe ranks actually contributes the dmg

[eager smelt]

sena does more dmg outside of ring
u can also delay the ring in p2 a little bit so u can get rid of sd form

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/Ly5JDOKoqRU?si=XsRpyh-nPtTOCu0X I've been following this run and they use Sena so I'm pretty sure I do.

[eager smelt]

from what i remember there was exactly 1 ungathered shard that u needed sena to gather

[pale musk]

what does 'delay the ring in p2 a little bit' look like? Just stand there for 1 second?

[eager smelt]

no obviously not u would want to be doing dmg while waiting

[hearty yacht]

Makes sense

[eager smelt]

i feel like i remember a different p2 from other people

maybe those do more dmg

[pale musk]

For how long, how long is a little bit?

[weak drum]

ok im not sandwiched by the detox team men anymore

oh btw i had my shirt inside out and i was acting like a fucking queen before some guy told me abt the shirt

[eager smelt]

enough that u can fit the first big dmg chunk not in sd form

[weak drum]

i never wanted to be invisible so hard

[hearty yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-cat-mocking-gif-13935821400850516732

[eager smelt]

also ur losing a lot of time by not pre firing songque combo through the door

10x easier on mouse btw

[weak drum]

ngl shouldve been more confident and said that its my style lmfao

[hearty yacht]

You would've looked dumber

[weak drum]

what the firk

anyways imma try the normal run

[hearty yacht]

Go for it

[pale musk]

P2 starts with him in SD form Wydm?

[weak drum]

nope

p2 door is normal form

[eager smelt]

also u have to atk with sena on p2 pre ring no matter what

since ur too slow ur breach expired

so sena is the only one on the team that can do dmg at that point

[pale musk]

Ok please give me the exact inputs that I do after Songque can go through a door cause I’m probably not going to understand anything else otherwise

[eager smelt]

send songque combo through the door
thelema farms up her indulgence
sena does her full seq

if u still have time after that u can do songque

[pale musk]

Explain “time after”

[eager smelt]

cant ring

[pale musk]

I’m not used to mouse though

[eager smelt]

yeah no one but me is

[pale musk]

Anyway, I need to score 770 to get to top 5 and be safe. Is it possible for me to even get that high?

[eager smelt]

no

[weak drum]

@hearty yacht maybe playing on a rocking bus while laying down with a laptop isnt the best of ideas