💁gameplay-help

[weak oracle]

oh right. the bleed dmg.

[half hatch]

🤓 akshually her attacks are meele attacks she just doesnt deal meele dmg

[weak oracle]

the "5th element" that was made for solely to force some absurd stuff into game, introduced right at the start of part 1.5 with susannah

[half hatch]

bleed was a thing before that though

[weak oracle]

was, but not as important. iirc there weren't even bleed weathers?

[half hatch]

there were

[quasi pier]

smol griseo introduced bleed weathers

[mortal jetty]

[half hatch]

bleed HoC, bleed Vill-V etc

[mortal jetty]

Bleed hoc is new tho iirc

[half hatch]

i'm just going of arustat and there was one in 6.3 though they aren't always accurate with the bosses afaik

[mortal jetty]

The first bleed weather was the mobs stage with the mechas +horse 🐎 ( bleed shield ) at the end

[weak oracle]

oh. right. smol griseo was first bleed valk.

[crude cloak]

Bleed in what way

Bleed application? Far from the first
Bleed DMG? While SI does have that, it's only 1 hit, and the actual first Bleed valk in that case is VQ

[mortal jetty]

You were not there when I was playing small griseo dps

[arctic spoke]

can i ask, it RL ref?

[half hatch]

yeah you can see lotus rouge in the corner which is red lotus in french

[crude cloak]

At least it's not Rötlotus amirite

I probably messed up the first o

[edgy hamlet]

Rötlotus 💀

[crude cloak]

Oh, it's just Rotlotus in German

Even better

[half hatch]

i mean it's a 1:1 translation

could have also been roter lotus or smth like that but rotlotus is fine tbh

[edgy hamlet]

@normal cloak bro

[normal cloak]

Hm?

[edgy hamlet]

Your vita stigs

[normal cloak]

Omg

I FORGOT TO CHANGE THEM ALL THIS TIME

[half hatch]

this was me but on ws vita

[normal cloak]

Now idk if im underperforming or overperforming

[edgy hamlet]

Probably overperforming with ala vita

[crude cloak]

Yeah, Ala is worse than sig here

[dusky mantle]

I would argue its LK

[digital sky]

In retrospect
Whos the worst AO?

Dreamseeker
Songqueop
Sera
Teriop

[dusty dagger]

[rigid cedar]

shu of scamming

[digital sky]

Why songqueop?

[rigid cedar]

where did she really work outside world star?

[digital sky]

And sera works outside of WoD well?

[rigid cedar]

if there were physical WS valks

okay yknow what, fair argument

[digital sky]

But the crit bonus is pure WoD

[rigid cedar]

one crit dmg bonus isnt

[digital sky]

Iirc

Lemme verify

U get 18% cdmg

[half hatch]

Cuz a literal elf is better unless SSS

[digital sky]

Kiana elf?

[half hatch]

Though her very versatile Ari regen was pretty nice for trio or vita but those also got a dedicated aop over time

[dusty dagger]

Back in my day people used to respect kiaelf

[digital sky]

"Versatile" is just having domain reso?

[dusty dagger]

read the message properly

[digital sky]

Like the tag

[half hatch]

Yeah 4* kia elf beats songque in most WS cycles since they only require 1 SO

[digital sky]

I mean 99% of valks had it besides poor songque lol funny enough

Aw man

[half hatch]

That + Ari on WA hit

[digital sky]

I like the ari on wa hit

Just random question
For dreamseeker, Pact of the Stars
Is this going from 3%->7% or 3%->10%

[digital sky]

Arent most of Kiana's buffs locked to SO?

[dusty dagger]

Bro can't read the first two words of the skill description

Says max level smh

[digital sky]

No like

Aghh

[dusty dagger]

Max level means that's the max value of the skill

[half hatch]

Yuh but her SO buffs are better than SS songques and most of the time SO is what actually matters in WS cycles

[dusty dagger]

Try thinking for once

[digital sky]

No i know,
I meant that the SO inital buff is 3% tdt
I was just wondering if its a +7% or a well uh 3%->7%

[half hatch]

"To 7%"

[digital sky]

I see. Well that stinks

[digital sky]

I just wanted to verify it sorry

I havent used Dreamseeker since i had songqueop

[half hatch]

It's fine i didn't want it to sound rude

[digital sky]

I pulled songqueop on release..

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/KGLajm0xugA?si=ivh5XjGUsc_qu6og If I figured out more tech from this amount of damage, could I get higher than 774?

[elfin parrot]

your transition looks very sloppy so if you can fix that then it might be close

for second phase, i'm not sure if you need the aerial basic plunge after sushang's second weapon active for one of her stellar shifts. I know hieu le does it but it's prob to skip the last weapon active

[crude cloak]

Also it probs would be better to do Helia's QTE in the very end

[elfin parrot]

• do not jump the carpet bomb
• evades into BA4s need to be evading enemy attacks to access your basic 4 umbrella throws
  • or you can manually basic 1-4 but carpet bomb makes the above more consistent and simpler imo
• you must evade after the umbrella throws to prevent it from returning back to you early, resulting in enough hits to wipe out each clone
  • the idea is to keep sushang busy during the normal point the umbrella is supposed to return. basic attack technically works too but evading is what you want to do in this case for incoming enemy attacks

hieu le opts for extended ba4s on the first two clones, then a ba4 + helia qte (prob for heavenly link ARI) on the third clone

---

if extensions are too much to achieve right now then maybe try

• evade > ba4 on first clone (doesn't kill)
• weapon active (second stage. the vertical up and down motion) on the second clone (kills)
• either evade ba4 or manual weapon active to finish off the first clone
• weapon active to finish the third clone
• vita the rest
• this is not an absolute or known fast solution. Just something i cooked on paper based on how many hits each action takes and distributing them.

this does skip helia qte which you can use later on early p2, or find a different way to fit it here. I don't know how many hits it does but i assume it's for cleanup/partial clone

[pale musk]

If I don’t aerial basic plunge, I don’t get the ari from switching in Vita and (if I remember correctly) Helia

[elfin parrot]

oh ok so it's a timing/cd issue

[fierce crypt]

i often kill p1 before ari is filled so kiana is still better ?

[elfin parrot]

it's 16s per qte per support so you can prob just track it from your video

[fierce crypt]

[pale musk]

At what point? End of p1 or p2?

[crude cloak]

P2

PS's finisher is very slow after all

[pale musk]

At what point of Sushang’s rotation do I switch? 2nd weapon attack?

[crude cloak]

Ye

[pale musk]

judging from the video, probably 16 seconds went by in game (subtracting ult time frozen domains) which means I should probably just do one little thing for Vita's qte to go refresh and then both should refresh. With the addition that I need both supports to ar regen in transition and p2 I don't think I have a lot of wiggle room to change things or else I won't have enough to SO.

[elfin parrot]

it's good that you're aware of that but we also don't have much time left

[eager smelt]

transition is so annoying my weapon keeps expiring

[elfin parrot]

so maybe stick with your current plans and implement not as complicated changes and clean up your transition

i don't have a quick already working solution to give. all i did for my own run was to copy hieu le's more or less

[eager smelt]

ur p1 is wrong
u should qte helia more so u dont need to use ps last atk

[pale musk]

How much? Should I ult after shift or something? QTE Helia after Sushang’s first QTE and wep attack, then ult?

[eager smelt]

why are u mentioning ult i just said qte

qte helia after vita

theres 2 more qtes u can do but since u have more dmg than me u shouldnt need either

[edgy hamlet]

wait why is herrscher of corruption back so soon?

[vernal terrace]

Cause Helia shill still

[half hatch]

cuz different HoC

[edgy hamlet]

Yea I just looked it up lol

I def need to gain trophies on this one because I know my S2 HoH wont be cutting it on hellmaru

[vernal terrace]

Hellmaru after Melee HoC
I'm gonna cry

[edgy hamlet]

me on every hellmaru so far

[vernal terrace]

I surprisingly retained on A3? For Houdou with Sushi brute force (low score)

[edgy hamlet]

insane

[vernal terrace]

Here it is

[edgy hamlet]

Wait you can retain with 11/20?

[vernal terrace]

I guess

[edgy hamlet]

Interesting

[vernal terrace]

203 score especially

[half hatch]

A3 thing iirc

[edgy hamlet]

It's been a while since I was A3

[vernal terrace]

I'm bouncing between A3 and RL

[scarlet pebble]

thats normal A2 A3 bouncer here

[fading coral]

Is there any current way to get the HoS Brick weapon?

[half hatch]

No

|| it'll be available through a spending event next patch check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion for more info ||

Though be aware that the new valk is already revealed there

[crude cloak]

She's revealed in the beta announcement too tbf

||(not the AO tho)||

[half hatch]

Also her design or did I miss that

But yeah forgo beta survey was up alr

[crude cloak]

Beta survey is alr down iirc 🗿

[half hatch]

🗿

[vernal terrace]

Waiting for glblul beta

[half hatch]

Inb4 another 1 week beta incoming

[vernal terrace]

[cunning gull]

i mean, at least the one in the story is

[rigid cedar]

only if 1 player doesnt play at all

if I remember correctly

[rigid cedar]

we got the survey early, dont make me lose hope

[edgy hamlet]

Wotdahel teammate looking a bit yellow today

[edgy hamlet]

I learn something new everyday

[crude cloak]

Too yellow to my taste
Your tag is very interesting tho

If you like peanuts you're a faker btw

[half hatch]

I got too used to the purple sometimes when I reply to one of teammates messages now I double check if it was the right once cuz the name was yellow

[edgy hamlet]

I'm personally a macadamia guy

[crude cloak]

We got a fancy guy here, huh

[full trench]

macadamia are pretty good

[edgy hamlet]

[vagrant fractal]

He was a teammate, now he's the enemy 😔

[rigid cedar]

still a teammate imo, he just ascended to a higher rank

[crude cloak]

He was a teammate, now he's the teammate

Surely that's not bragging rn

[rigid cedar]

@plucky swan here's how i'd try the thelema combo. ignore me being senaless

the important part is how i end right before ult timestop runs out

i swapped out jds here, because I actually overkill SK with her on the team

[plucky swan]

managed to pull it out before reading this

but yeah the issue was timing

[rigid cedar]

glad you figured it out on ur own

[rigid cedar]

so your start also works?

or did you have to change up something

[plucky swan]

added hohe wa and moi at the end

hold ba before ult since time fracture hasn't run off yet

[rigid cedar]

oh, skipping hohe wa also skips solon buffs

ego's devotion, the 3pc effect is tied to it

[mortal jetty]

The teammate became the referee

[formal wigeon]

not necessarily

the charge attack hitting before that already procs it too

[rigid cedar]

oh

then forgive my misinformation @plucky swan

the hoh wa helped with demej tho

[fierce crypt]

[rigid cedar]

[weak drum]

probably better than my shitrin

hmm lb is using sushi

oooo

[half hatch]

LoA stonks in MA

[lapis raven]

yk

[lapis raven]

yea i was gonna say that

u shd be using ps dps not supp

[weak drum]

i thought bc paws is a tf factory she’d be better

[lapis raven]

she isnt really a tf factory tho

[weak drum]

cmon

[lapis raven]

and loa in general is a sus ani factory thats broken

[thick aspen]

ches never changes

[half hatch]

you don't even use paws DPS on a boss that's supposed to be hers

[weak drum]

shuddup

im better than you and pool combined

[thick aspen]

imagine not using loa

[digital sky]

Whats badums best team?

[crude cloak]

Badum Vita PS/JDS/Sparkle

Depends a lot on the boss

PS has the most buffs, but the rot is longer

[digital sky]

Wb helia or hoh

[crude cloak]

Elybad

[digital sky]

Well nvm about HoH

[half hatch]

helia is pretty good from what i remember

in terms of dps

[digital sky]

Forgot shes just tank

[crude cloak]

Yeah, she is

[crude cloak]

ig if there is an SD Para boss or smth she'll be BiS

[digital sky]

Is helia better than wepless sparkle.

[crude cloak]

Now that's a good question

Unless you specifically need faster Badum ults Helia should be better, yes

[thick aspen]

what the wepless sparkle doing

[digital sky]

Okay okay

[half hatch]

we can discuss this a bit ofc though i dont really see that big of a point unless we know what the thought behind the questions actually is since raw dps doesnt really mean a lot

[digital sky]

Well uhm
Giving buffs? Idk lol

[thick aspen]

giving buffs to the bench

[digital sky]

Where would u need more badum ults?

[crude cloak]

Sparkle was used vs HOMU iirc

Though she was heavily contested by fish skip

[digital sky]

Fish who

Idk what that is next patch

Also i dont own songque so

[half hatch]

your rotation also just get's longer since she loses time stop on i am elation

[digital sky]

...and can sparkle give ignite to pt2 teams..

[half hatch]

iirc that's the name

[half hatch]

very small amount

nothing notable

[digital sky]

Very small amount being able to actually compete on ignite weathers?

[half hatch]

no

[digital sky]

...wah

Even if u dont get the skill that blows up the ignite in your face?

Actually that might only be sparkle dps.

[half hatch]

this is her only ignite source in p2 from what i could find and even if it is enough to proc the ignite buff you won't be able to pull this off enough to maintain a 100% uptime

but you can try it RL is intersting sometimes

[digital sky]

...jingwei guns on uh badum?

[digital sky]

Well i suppose this skill is worth unlocking then?

[crude cloak]

The only Ignite boss that can get Ignited from teensy amount of Trauma is HoV iirc

And I assume you alr have alternatives for that

[digital sky]

._.

I own 4/4 cn
1/4 sirin...
No hotr
And the only fire dps's i own are all kiana (except finality)
So
No i dont think i do...

[crude cloak]

Thele DPS was very good in RL
Thele Sena HoFi

[digital sky]

I dont own thelema..

[crude cloak]

😭

Badum Vita HoFi then?

Or, yk, ||just get Coralie||

[half hatch]

they mentioned they don't have HoFI

[crude cloak]

Ah, I can't see full names atp

[half hatch]

[digital sky]

||shhhh||

Uh but like

I could get sparkle wep..

I get 15 pulls in like 3 days

[half hatch]

why waste weapon pity

[digital sky]

For sparkle wep

[half hatch]

it's not like sparkle weapon will save you from ignite weathers suddenly

[digital sky]

True

[half hatch]

and you already have good LoA support options

[crude cloak]

You can also just ditch the Ignite in HoV's case

[digital sky]

Uhm uhm i uh well i only have HoH Helia Vita..and well now sparkle

[crude cloak]

Should be fine in RL

[half hatch]

vita helia

those are good supports

[digital sky]

For my one LoA dps

Oh oh yeah so like
Would Sparkle replace anyone in
Teri Badum Vita

[digital sky]

Oh
Nice

[half hatch]

there's a niche comp of teri/thele/sparkle on reso vita but your team is already enough and that comp should work without her weapon

[digital sky]

or sena dps i guess...

[digital sky]

Does it work thelemaless..

[half hatch]

no

[digital sky]

Oh. Why not

[half hatch]

you want fast stellar drain and thele can do it inside her ult

[digital sky]

Badum has fastish stellar drain with plunge right?

[half hatch]

if you run into a situation where you need more collapses sparkle can also be used but i can't think of any teri boss where you'd need her rn

[half hatch]

yeah but i'm talking 0 sec stellar drain

as said your team is already enough

[digital sky]

The quantum pig?

[half hatch]

that's a sparkle boss now afaik

[mortal jetty]

On typeless boss badum vita sparkle
In SD boss badum vita songque

[half hatch]

we can go on like this for some time imo the sparkle weapon pull just isnt justifiable

[crude cloak]

Is it?

Lemme double check

[mortal jetty]

Is teri boss

Quantum parvati is teri boss lol

[thick aspen]

ofc not

just treat it as not having sparkle

[mortal jetty]

Maybe 6s+9 sparkle team but who has it?

[crude cloak]

I see too many S0 Sparkle runs
Gotta compare the scores rq

[thick aspen]

asapi wheres ur 920

[mortal jetty]

I am retired sir sorry + no hand

[digital sky]

Oh. :(

[mortal jetty]

Last time s0 sparkle was not even able to top 50 against teri s0

[digital sky]

What about Teri Sparkle together?

[mortal jetty]

Can also work

Teri team is flexible

[digital sky]

Wish sparkle wasnt so slow

[mortal jetty]

There is a lot of comp to cope with

Teri vita sparkle
Teri vita hofi
Teri thelema sparkle
Teri vita badum

[thick aspen]

sparkle isnt slow

[digital sky]

Should i unlock this skill tho?

[thick aspen]

sparkles problem is she does a very set amount of damage

[digital sky]

Outside SO?

[thick aspen]

is that damage enough to kill the boss? sparkle will do well

does the boss have more hp? sparkle is absolute trash

[eager smelt]

teri vita badum sucks

[mortal jetty]

Read again

[digital sky]

Oh.

[mortal jetty]

I said cope team****

You cope with it if you have nothing else

[eager smelt]

teri vita hofi isnt cope

[mortal jetty]

Bruh you know what team is cope and not

[crude cloak]

Yes, but were the teammates in both teams S0 as well

Cuz I assume T50 alr was S2+ Vita territory

[mortal jetty]

Yea

S2 sparkle was enough for top 50

[mortal jetty]

Of course

[half hatch]

i wouldnt call teri vita badum cope i think that gives people wrong ideas

it's a solid team on teri weathers

and we're not really talking nirv here

[eager smelt]

badum just isnt a good support

[digital sky]

I own all Domain Reso tagged valks, except thelema, lantern, and HoFi

[mortal jetty]

It depends on what do you mean with solid

[eager smelt]

teri with no sparkle isnt cope but badum is

[mortal jetty]

Can you even get top 100 with it? Probably not

Maybe only in EU

[crude cloak]

Yeah, from what I see ref-wise it's Teri's boss for sure

Which makes sense

[mortal jetty]

This was not even debatable tho

Pig and vita are teri territories

[half hatch]

ik why you both call cope i just don't think that's the standard this conversation has rn since this isnt a nirvana talk

[half hatch]

misremembered something then

[eager smelt]

the non fire quas are teri

[mortal jetty]

Sparkle boss are kosma and tona

Not sure about the quantum whale tho

[digital sky]

How come?

[eager smelt]

because she buffs fire

and teri isnt fire

[digital sky]

Oh

How many of her buffs are fire

[eager smelt]

enough to make hofi way better

[mortal jetty]

Badum support in rl can still top 3 for sure

[digital sky]

That uh wasnt my question tho :<

[eager smelt]

i wouldnt know because my dmg with badum is so bad that i dont use her

[digital sky]

I think i got top 3 with vitabadum last vita cycle :3

[thick aspen]

i used badum on something recently

[digital sky]

Do u even own teri...?

[thick aspen]

dont remember what though

[mortal jetty]

He does

[digital sky]

Ah
It was either no sparkle or no teri

Mb

So what would sparkles best team be?
If i own all DR tagged valks except Thelema Lantern HoFi?

[mortal jetty]

Sparkle vita badum

@digital sky

[digital sky]

Thx

[digital sky]

Unless im blind, which i may be
I see only 1 buff buffing fire.
20% fdt...

[digital sky]

Would teris best team change with sparkle existing?
I use Teri Vita Badum rn

Or is it fine the way it is

Well and sena..but i doubt sena benefits from sparkle a lot..

[mortal jetty]

Sena bad

[digital sky]

True.

[mortal jetty]

You don't have sparkle?

[digital sky]

I do

[mortal jetty]

Teri sparkle vita then or teri vita hofi

[digital sky]

No hofi :< (and to an extent, no thelema or lantern)

[mortal jetty]

You can try all the team I mentioned and see what team is doing better damage

This is how I do ig

[digital sky]

Would i swap Hofi with badum?

[mortal jetty]

Yeah why not

I just read her skill again and I don't see anything that she only buff fire dps

[digital sky]

For badum theres a 20% fdt

That i spotted

[mortal jetty]

Fdt?

[digital sky]

Fire dmg taken

Sorry i probably am the only one who uses that as a term lol

[mortal jetty]

Like I said try all the team and see the damage diff... sometime practice is better than theory

[mortal jetty]

Probably not... I was just not aware of it ahah

[digital sky]

Hmm ok

[thick aspen]

often you dont want max damage either but rather speed

[digital sky]

Well vitas slow

[mortal jetty]

Yeah ofc

[digital sky]

Except in LoA where shes
Not as slow, but still slow

[thick aspen]

yeah, thats why you didnt play vita on vita

[mortal jetty]

But speed doesn't make sense if no damage

[thick aspen]

cause teri+lema+sparkle was enough dmg already

like maybe if the boss had 50% more hp or smth you would have used vita instead of thelema

[digital sky]

Ill ask again at 700 disturbance

[mortal jetty]

Yeah some teams are just situational

[mortal jetty]

Okay in 2030 then

[thick aspen]

next year surely

[mortal jetty]

Ain't no way

[digital sky]

Its 500 in rl already..

[thick aspen]

new valk will do giga dps and destroy every boss

so d go up

[mortal jetty]

We waited two years for 400D to 500D

[digital sky]

Well it should go back down

[crude cloak]

In 2030 ults will be straight up adding score

[digital sky]

I want to use aponia again and not feel like shit when I use her

[thick aspen]

i already have dibs on the time reversal idea

[crude cloak]

Could be a ring shtick ngl

[thick aspen]

just watch this

boss is low hp you could kill

but you are close to having enough sp to ult again

better to farm sp and ult to reverse time before you kill

some pepela gameplay

this will revitalize SS MA

cause now instead of everyone scoring 0s you can do -1, -2, -3..

[digital sky]

Oh yeah. Do i uh unlock this? The insta kill ignite looks ..iffy but like idk lol

[thick aspen]

why wouldnt you

[crude cloak]

They'll just slap a cap of 0 seconds

[thick aspen]

no need to slap when its alr there

[crude cloak]

Trueing

[thick aspen]

if you actually 0s a boss now it wont let you submit

[crude cloak]

They want to use Sparkle as an Ignite source in P2 teams

[thick aspen]

ok but that skill is for sparkle leader

if you need ignite you play sparkle as support

[digital sky]

So?

[thick aspen]

or pull the next valk

[digital sky]

I guess...

[digital sky]

Can sparkle even be used as a copium ignite dps?

[mortal jetty]

Idts

[thick aspen]

no

[digital sky]

Aw man.

[mortal jetty]

Where do you want to use ignite?

[thick aspen]

your prime and only ignite dps option is still sirin

for a few weeks..

[digital sky]

Shhhhhhh

My sirins s1 1/4.

No htr either

[thick aspen]

well not like they run any ignite boss

[digital sky]

For now

[thick aspen]

cause sirin is so old

[digital sky]

I guess ill unlock the skill then?

[thick aspen]

well yea when they add new ignite dps then ofc shill shill

[thick aspen]

brotherman there hasnt been any valk in several years where you wouldnt want to unlock all skills

everything that you might not want to unlock has a toggle these days

[digital sky]

gotta cope sometimes yk

[fluid osprey]

Vita-kiana-sparkle is good team comp?

[digital sky]

Kiana who

Badum
HoFi
Or
....the others...

Sparkle no

Assuming this is vita dps*

[vernal terrace]

Maybe Sparkle dps then yeah
Spork can't support Vita though

[half hatch]

if you mean fws ( the newest kiana battlesuit ) you can make 2 decent teams with those 3 valks.

though be aware even if a team is good doesnt mean it'll be good on every boss since this game is very situational

but first i'd start with the basics do you know how team building works ?

[fluid osprey]

Actually no

[fluid osprey]

Hofi

Just wanted to build my vita as dps

[half hatch]

check out the team building guide at the bottom

[fluid osprey]

Thank you

[half hatch]

vita is a special case where you want 3/3 Rite of oblivion units so you'd want to use vita/Hofi/coralie

given HoFi has waxing moon ( a weapon ) otherwise she can't support vita

[digital sky]

Use coralie instead of sparkle

[fluid osprey]

I have

Thank you

[open bone]

Does HoFi dlc banner next patch includes her stigmas or just her new stellar key

[half hatch]

A banner with waxing moon will also have iskandar on the banner but it doesn't really matter since that's craftable anyway

Ofc saving prism is always nice though

Though be aware that if you planned on pulling said banner that's it's not really recommended at this point as a f2p

[open bone]

Im only going to do it if I get 8.5 and weapon early before I finish spending event

But I have the crystals to max out spending event and still get 8.6

[half hatch]

I think you get the patches mixed up next patch is 8.4

[open bone]

Er 8.5 yes

[half hatch]

Lol

[open bone]

Yeah. I have enough for spending event and valk after at current income

And if I get ||coralie|| + wep early

Well, getting a dkey seemed like probably a reasonable backpull since I can grab hofi from reserve

Might have terrible luck and it ends up moot

[half hatch]

Even if you get extremely lucky I'd think twice about getting waxing moon since afaik you can't properly utilize the weathers she's in.|| Also any specific goal were talking about with spending because maxing out spending event isn't needed for any of the bigger rewards ||

Also just saving crystals is pretty good since the upcoming patches will probably also be valuable since CN Ani and CNY are pretty close

[open bone]

And those will have better spending events?

I have 30k crystals rn and like 15k in one time sources ungrabbed but I have been playing for two patches now and I don’t have a super good sense at how patches compare to each other yet

[half hatch]

We can only predict so but CNY and cn Ani valks are often extremely good and valuable so from past patterns it's not really advisable to miss out on those

[crude cloak]

But they're expensive as well (cuz valk + dkey at the very least)

The anni valk is very likely to be very good

With the dkeys it's harder to tell

[half hatch]

We had one that's good and one that's a flop lmao

They fumbled hohe so bad

[crude cloak]

Similar story with P1 dkeys

7T was very good afaik, Brick is terrible

[full trench]

when we get another weak spot weather ur gonna regret ever saying this !!!

[crude cloak]

You should be able to afford both 8.4 and 8.5 tho

[open bone]

I mean I expect to?

[crude cloak]

I think I can rack up 200 trophies until the end of 2027

[open bone]

I was thinking I would get 8.4 and 8.5 and maybe a dkey too

Not skip one

[crude cloak]

I included the dkey in 8.5

[half hatch]

Just to add onto this with an example, the last CNY and CN Ani valks were FWS and vita. Vita being used in almost every WS weather, a very good WoD support ( still slightly worse than sena at S0 ) and they forced her way into LoA meta with a buff+ breach passives. FWS is also really good at everything she does good WS support good LoA support and used in like 90% of LoA weathers and also BiS currently for GoI teams

[half hatch]

Imma ping you when I regret it in 2030

[quasi pier]

inb4 another bow user comes out

[full trench]

last weather before eos is gonna be hohe

[vernal terrace]

[crude cloak]

DW cycle trust

Still alive technically after all

[full trench]

doesnt she get outscored by sena on fire tank

[crude cloak]

Nah, HoHE is a must there

Thele's the one getting outscored at S0

[full trench]

i see

[vernal terrace]

Nobody to take Dominance Weather yet

[half hatch]

If you don't have lantern just use FWS on fire tank I got +100 with that last time ~~ RL is a joke ~~

[quasi pier]

just use trio

[full trench]

glblul rl is so funny

[half hatch]

I got +100 on mf bleed Tribunal with FWS dps + PS support iirc

I was actually disappointed in RL at that point

[crude cloak]

Why PS support tho

Why not DPS I mean

[full trench]

the worst part about me +100ing on bleed tribunal was the like 6 luna players below me

[half hatch]

Type countered and you still get bleed weather buff + FWS dps is higher

[crude cloak]

ik she's TC'd, but still

[half hatch]

I tried both

[crude cloak]

You only get half of the weather buff tho

[half hatch]

Weren't too far of from what I remember

[crude cloak]

Could be RL shenanigans ig

[half hatch]

When can I get cycles again where I can actually play funny cope teams

I honestly enjoyed that cycle

[full trench]

u should try a no bis challenge in rl and see how often u +100

[half hatch]

I don't wanna ruin my crystal funds with less nirv but I can keep a spreadsheet or smth

[last rapids]

you can do it in nirvana too

[full trench]

u can always end it if u wont

[last rapids]

not like its very challenging to t100 myriad here

[crude cloak]

Not everyone has ranks

[last rapids]

what ranks

bros delulu

[crude cloak]

Don't you have SS+3 Vita, for example

[last rapids]

how does a knock off team include a vita

[half hatch]

Yeah most of the time I actually try some cope teams but bosses arent made out of paper there so the runs feel so long

[crude cloak]

RS DPS

[last rapids]

[crude cloak]

Actually, how does SS Vita compare to other supps in that case

[crude cloak]

Assuming others are S0

[digital sky]

Is it worth getting sena weapon when i have 3/3 drive core users now..
I have 4/4 vita, 3/4 the other 2

[last rapids]

that last mech luna weather i retained t100 with 5 different teams that none were bis

that one is pretty extreme example but you can do it with 1 other team most weathers at least

[last rapids]

i didnt even need luna to retain t100 at the end

HT got it in eu

[half hatch]

Why would you getting sparkle change anything about if you should get senas weapon

It's a cope option for other drive core users at best and you would already have vita weapon for that

[full trench]

why did you pull sparkle btw

[digital sky]

Why not

[full trench]

because you got her

[last rapids]

and teri wasnt needed to t50 either

[full trench]

that's why not

[open bone]

You can do a run with no best in slot and then record what it is, and then check at the end of the cycle what that would have scored

[digital sky]

Yeah but what if i need to use sparkle vita _

[crude cloak]

We don't talk about LV cycles

[last rapids]

again its an extreme example but you can get away with 1 or 2 different teams most weathers

previous cycle you could have used sushang helia kiana and still retained t50

[half hatch]

Vita doesn't suffer that much from not having her weapon as a support but sparkle demej will still suck

[quasi pier]

you have teri

[last rapids]

and yes they're all S0

[digital sky]

Should i go for sparkle wep?

[last rapids]

you could opt one out for songque and also get it

[crude cloak]

Ah, so you meant just replacing one of the supps
Yeah, that makes more sense

[last rapids]

i mean thats the whole meaning of not bis

[half hatch]

No pulling sparkle wasnt a good idea to begin with and now ruining funds for future versions which will probably hold good value just isn't worth it

[crude cloak]

Not BiS could also refer to non-BiS DPS
The previous cycle was probs retainable with Helia tbf

[last rapids]

unless your main dps is getting replaced which wouldnt be really great at surviving myriad unless you stack ranks, some cycles its not needed but its still very much doable

yeah, helia you could get it easily last cycle

[digital sky]

It was only 16 pulls

[last rapids]

next cycle has a bunch of teams you can use too

[quasi pier]

16 pulls when you already have teri

[half hatch]

Which is 4480 crystals so not really a little amount

2 weeks worth for a f2p

[full trench]

i mean even if its not much why have your low pity valks be garbage by pulling on random banners instead of actually good ones

[digital sky]

So what if i have teri

[half hatch]

Yeah I'd love to try some other teams in nirv there but sadly I'm in RL so

[last rapids]

that gives even more freedom if anything

you can try NS dps and she will retain 100% probably

[crude cloak]

It's not as fun
You just sneeze and get T1

[crude cloak]

Okay, if we go that far then sure

[last rapids]

thats the whole point

honestly i wish i can drop occasionally

i just need a fresh breath of air

[quasi pier]

what does weaponless sparkle do for you that teri doesn't

[digital sky]

Whats wrong with sparkle?

[full trench]

no weathers and u dont have her weapon

[digital sky]

Badum support

[half hatch]

I don't know if I even have the stuff for that my P1 stuff sucks ass

[last rapids]

its hrb and rs

[crude cloak]

Get on the grind for the next time

[crude cloak]

Yes, but what gear does NS herself use

[quasi pier]

the most important part of her support is with weapon

[last rapids]

dante tm cez b / dirac tm or newt for cez

[half hatch]

Yeah HoRb gearless and RSless

[last rapids]

ely stigs work too

[digital sky]

As a dps sure .. but like she can support other ws and loa..

[full trench]

not really

[digital sky]

I could get sparkle wep...

[crude cloak]

Go run HoS TA then

Embrace the crit mald

[half hatch]

As if I have gear for any of them

[crude cloak]

Double Hua comp too, Euphie's probs salivating rn

[half hatch]

Actually I have TA weapon

[last rapids]

real

[half hatch]

But that's it

[last rapids]

i'd try griseo hs there

perfect life

or play with weather opposite

back in the day that was the only option a lot of the time

ranged? but my strongest team is bk

[half hatch]

I should do VBs DPS

Inb4 100 score

[crude cloak]

More like -200

In RL

[last rapids]

dmg is decent but setup will take time

[half hatch]

What's her best team actually HoFi vita or

[last rapids]

probably

[crude cloak]

Should be, ye

[digital sky]

Aw.

[crude cloak]

Depends on how much damage her reso procs do

If they aren't significant you could maybe go for Sena instead of one of the supps

[half hatch]

Hey so there's this thing called no sena

[crude cloak]

HoFi Vita it is

[half hatch]

Maybe I should swap out her stigs as well

Weren't there some for faster ER runs

[crude cloak]

VBs uses Neumann TB Handel M in ER

[half hatch]

Yeah I'm not getting that Handel M until Sunday

Should have done this last cycle alr

[formal wigeon]

everything

[digital sky]

Okay....so can u elaborate

[formal wigeon]

oh I can list what's good about the valk too :

[digital sky]

Can u elaborate on whats wrong with sparkle?

[shell quail]

not full set?

I thought fullset is better since you go SO anyway

never knew it's now Handel M

[crude cloak]

I think it always was Handel M

At least based on the rentry, idk for sure how credible that is in that regard, but I assume it's solid

But the source that is definitely better (Adori) doesn't exist now

[shell quail]

I can ask

doubt bro remembers

[crude cloak]

Wait, Adori should still have their YT vids up, maybe there? Lemme check

Nvm, the last one is from 7.1

[shell quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342051840036175945/1398191237789515797/Michele_Cute.gif

[dusky mantle]

Skill issye

[formal wigeon]

3p only buffs other valks, not herself and M is only 25% tdm

[dusky mantle]

Was always handel M...

[shell quail]

I guess I don't readno more

[spiral raven]

is ok, no need to read

[dusky mantle]

Dont think just feel

[willow wedge]

Hey so I tried sprout of wishing boss with my HoT team and I beat it with 3 seconds to spare! Could I get reccs for the best current builds for a HoT team? I have Eden and Fischl on her team, eden pri arm but only tungsten T and B on her, fischl is fully built but is there a pri arm weapon I can put on her? And HoT is pri armed with Edens full stigmata set on her since I heard she's better with that

[spiral raven]

that boss is not meant for hot

[vernal terrace]

Isn't HoT TC'd by birb?

[spiral raven]

if u want to proceed anyhow, u want lv and hotr, both on sig and then for hot your gear is fine

[spiral raven]

yes

[vernal terrace]

At least it's something I guess

[spiral raven]

id also turn on buff mode, but if u cleared it, it don't matter anymore for going for a higher score

tho u can ofc do the mechanics too, dodging special atks

[spiral raven]

by tc u mean, the other way right, its a bio chicken

and hot is psy

unless sprout is actually typeless

then im just completely misremembering and giving false info

[vernal terrace]

I used Bio on mech
But I meant at least they tried something

[spiral raven]

[vernal terrace]

Tribunal wasn't fun

[spiral raven]

oh yeah

transition u just afk

or farm ari if u used ring

[vernal terrace]

PAWS

[spiral raven]

oh not so bad then

wait paws is still bad no

I thought u meant ps, were u able to exit transition early

there's lightning but also bleed tribunal

[vernal terrace]

No-
PS was heavily weakened by weather and TC

[spiral raven]

which tribunal cuz their transition is diff

[vernal terrace]

Lightning

[spiral raven]

ah that one

[vernal terrace]

I used PS dps against the bleed one but I used Coralie at that time since PAWS wasn't existent

[spiral raven]

that one is the one where u just hit a bunch of titans right, coming from all directions, unless i misremember and there's actually 3 tribunals

[vernal terrace]

Bleed is that one

[spiral raven]

oh i had it swapped

[spiral raven]

anywyas then yeah, u cant kill the bleed shield in the end can you with ps

transition

[vernal terrace]

Nope
-Phys
Then TC with the Lightning Tribunal

[spiral raven]

yeah nvm then, equivalent to just afk for that duration

[vernal terrace]

This HoC shouldn't be too much of a pain like the Bleed one I hope (I know this is a returning boss)

[spiral raven]

melee ur ok

[vernal terrace]

PAWS with her BiS

[fickle elbow]

https://youtu.be/tSs89xIr8n0?si=d1WTAiMzmLB3Ch2K here we go again, optimizing runs

[half hatch]

at the begining none of your fws CA actually hit so you kinda just played p1 without her buffs
in the transition you can evade so that Sushangs umbrella last longer so that you can skip sushangs WA and just kill the second shield with another wa

[fickle elbow]

How to time Badum CA tho?

[half hatch]

jump shortly before HoC appears and try to time the CA when she spawns

idr the exact timing

[fickle elbow]

Very helpful, thank you

[spiral raven]

watch your top left

timer alr started running so its easier to time that way

[fickle elbow]

https://youtu.be/Q_9mS1CTMSU?si=TljhiIPI4hzzEuhq eh I guess I got more precise timing?

[rare iris]

Iirc, you can hit at high 991 frame or low 992 frame which makes a mid 990 or high 990 FWS ult frame

So not precise enough ☝️🤓

But looking at your frame rate, should still be viable for low 990 frame

Actually, 991 FWS ult. You still did a unnecessary basic attack instead of Ulting right after Combo Attack hits

Nerdshiro out

[digital sky]

How good is sparkle for ws support?

[pale palm]

Is the dark lord Carolie just another pt2 dps or is she a must have(Vita is the only pt2 valk that I am glad I pull for)
I did not pull for the last 3 new valks and it is getting almost impossible to stay in RL

[crude cloak]

||Based on past history Breach sources are very valuable
Afaik in LoA Coralie and Vita aren't too far apart, but in GoI Coralie should be BiS
Other than that it's quite hard to tell, especially cuz she doesn't have a locked AR tag||

If she did, she would be an easy pull assuming you could afford both 8.4 and 8.5

[crude cloak]

(it's very likely she'll be needed for 8.5)

[digital sky]

||So She supports RoO, LoA, GoI?||

[crude cloak]

Ye

[pale palm]

I have almost 40k crystals and both the character and the weapon banners are bellow 60 pulls before pity

[digital sky]

||how needed is her sig wep... :^||
||For support*||

[crude cloak]

||Ofc she's an upgrade to Vita DPS too, but Vita DPS is niche (so is Cora DPS)||

[crude cloak]

Should be able to afford both patches then

[half hatch]

it's not like she's completly bricked without it like thelema but the buffs do like nice

though i wouldnt encourage pulling her without sig wep

[digital sky]

||i mean i plan on getting her sig wep eventually--I would see what it does but i cant bc im using data over wifi...||

[crude cloak]

But the rentry is just text

[digital sky]

Its not rentry.. its marisas website

[crude cloak]

Marisa gave up on rentry? Damn

I can DM it then

[digital sky]

Thanks

[quasi pier]

Marisa said he was too lazy to copy it to rentry and he would do it later. Still didn't do it lol

[crude cloak]

Yeah, I expected them to do it alr atp xdd

[rare iris]

Teammate when did you become piss colored?

[crude cloak]

29th

[rare iris]

Congrats

[willow wedge]

Who is lv? And Hotr is hersch of truth right?

[weak drum]

lunar and glossary in #👶beginner-help pins btw

[willow wedge]

Thank you!

[digital sky]

Hows sparkle as a ws support?

[half hatch]

i dont know exact numbers but she's only used if you need more qua collapse on teri

and iirc you already have vita and fws they should cover most weathers

[digital sky]

Aw darn.

[digital sky]

I think marisas website has her buff numbers
In a nice little chart

[half hatch]

doesnt really change anything about the second part

[full musk]

Does anyone know what triggers the Returnee bonus? I've just gotten it, but I'm not quite sure why I got it, since I've been logging in daily for a while-

[digital sky]

Sad

To bad ws units dont usually work well together

[crude cloak]

Quit for 15 days for the first time, for 60 days afterwards

It's very weird that you got it

Maybe you have multiple accs or smth?

[full musk]

No, I only have one account-

[crude cloak]

Different servers I mean

[full musk]

Nope, I'm only on EU

[cunning gull]

try the usual quit game and enter to make sure it isn't a bug

[full musk]

And my Returnee from the last time should have expired

[cunning gull]

whats the duration on ur current returnee bonus?

[full musk]

It just reset to 64 days

[half hatch]

returnee banner change every version now so that doesnt indicate anything these days afaik

omg

[cunning gull]

oh

[half hatch]

nvm

i read returnee banner

[cunning gull]

its alright

[half hatch]

u're good

i should get some sleep kek

[cunning gull]

lmao have a good sleep

[full musk]

Yeahhh, have a good sleep!

[cunning gull]

that's weird tho, at least send this with ss in #🔌technical-help and check with them

[half hatch]

if they have no idea maybe also check with cs

[cunning gull]

yeah

[half hatch]

tbh if you really logged in every day it's just some bonus rewards

not really bad

[full musk]

Done, thank you!

[misty crane]

Any ref for rl abyss?

[half hatch]

i don't think the usual ref makers have uploaded anything yet and i sadly can't record rn. You can also always record a run and we can help you optimize it

generally you prob start with fws CA ult and then switch to sushi with qte and press WA to trigger stellar drain, you can also ult with sushi here and then switch to paws and do her dps stuff.

maybe i can find something for the transition rq gimme a second

then p2 you just SO and do the normal rotation

for the transition you can probably do what hieu le did last HoC

https://youtu.be/pDizLdT3814?si=LdVSxjkRjnR7N-ON

if anyone knows a better rot for the transition feel free to comment

[half hatch]

also if you have any questions about this i can elaborate ofc

[half hatch]

actually if you use the transition i linked you, you can skip her WA here and just ult. You can ult faster with sushang if you spam WA and ult after qte

[misty crane]

Seems like skill issue for me

[half hatch]

why, what's the score ?

[misty crane]

807

[half hatch]

probably improvable but looks alright for now

don't take the scores from the ref as an example afaik scores are lower on this HoC

[mint plover]

remember that that is bleed not meele

[half hatch]

yeah that ref is just for the transition they shouldnt really take something else there for inspiration

[mint plover]

https://youtu.be/AfyvebWgXaU i did this in bleed if it helps

but remember PS LEADER HAS A 3X HITCOUNT BONNUS

[half hatch]

that isnt limited to her being the leader

normally it's 3 but wiki only has maxed skills

[mint plover]

still, you can prety much do only ps transition between wa extent and full basic +ult

[pallid flare]

okay since this is getting annoying, i need to ask:

is there a list somewhere of valkyries and whether they are close combad or ranged?

[half hatch]

no but valks arent exclusively ranged or meele it's based on the animation

for example vita is meele in her normal for but ranged in her ult form and her mech punch is also meele

[pallid flare]

that's my problem. if it was about the type of weapon i could understand it. i need to know which valkyries primary damage source is close range, to select the proper valkyrie in the proper situation...

[half hatch]

well which p2 valks do you have

[pallid flare]

almost every but chibi bianca...

i hoped there might be a table or so out there describing valkyries and their damage type

because even some P1 valkyries are useful, just think of ely.

[half hatch]

then you can play paws/ps/Hohe if she has her dkey
raplace dudu with hohe if you don't have her

[pallid flare]

i hoped i don't have to ask everytime a new wheather comes >.< but thanks.

[half hatch]

it's fine really that's what these channels are for

[pallid flare]

so this is helia sushang and ely then? interesting... i wouldn't haved guessed that combo

especially ely... i would've bet she's ranged...

[quasi pier]

ely is ranged

paws is the main dps of the team though

[pallid flare]

so why is she in this team? just for completion? or are there in fact no more close-ranged? i would've thought maybe kia

[quasi pier]

if you have badum, replace ely with badum

[half hatch]

supports don't really deal a lot of dmg in GoI teams

you really just want her buffs

and currently we only have 3 valks which can propperly support paws

[pallid flare]

okay then i guess kia it is right?

i like kia she's awesome ^-^

[half hatch]

yeah mb i missread chibi bianka somehow

[pallid flare]

haha XD sorry i'm bad with all the abreviations, i barely guessed her name 🤣

[half hatch]

it's fine really it was understandable what you meant

my brain just read something different

[pallid flare]

uff... i don't like helia... somehow always something bad happens and she ends up without sp 🙁

[half hatch]

when excatly is she missing SP ? during ARI charging or SO ?

[pallid flare]

both

[quasi pier]

how? helia always has sp when you hit something during ari charging

[pallid flare]

i always need to charge her up with regular attacks once or twice to get her third hit... i mean no wonder she has 200 SP cap

[quasi pier]

and you can press wa to get more sp

[pallid flare]

i know, but that doesn't cut it

when i switch her in she's usually just at 100 SP or so, then i do WA and at best get 2 ults out of it, then i need to charge...

[quasi pier]

that's normal, it takes one combo to do another ult

and she gets sp really fast

[pallid flare]

mkay... shame... i like badum more, she's so ... smooth.

[half hatch]

during SO you can insta ult x3 and then do CA after that you need supports to regen SP

with sus and badum you normally do badum qte -> ult -> sus qte -> WA -> ult -> back to helia ult 2x and then you either do WA or some basics for the 6th ult -> CA -> finisher

[digital sky]

Ult -> WA -> Ult -> BA till 100sp -> ult

[pallid flare]

3750... yeah guess taht's all there's to get for me 🙁

[half hatch]

you can always record a run and we can help you, otherwise you can also wait until a ref is available

[pallid flare]

yeah... i mean it's quite high as long as i don't get minus that's okay, i don#t want to end up in nirvana that usually brings me down to even below red lotus which makes me sad 🤣

[half hatch]

yeah if you're fine with a retain then don't worry though you could run into an unlucky bracket ( unlikely tbh EU RL is known to have pretty low scores)

[pallid flare]

that's already low... bruuuuuuh XD what kind of monsters are playing there.

[half hatch]

i wouldnt say it's neceserally super low but definitely improvable i got around 830 but my atk is pretty high for RL standards and i have songque AOP though she's prob not very significant in this case

you can prob go near 800 with your team

i can record a run rq if you want to it wouldnt be completely optimised though

wait my gene limits are off

i hope they were active during my first runs lmao

[formal wigeon]

It's generally just what it looks like on each attack, except bleed/ignite dmg valks that don't count as either.
A smack in the face is melee, a projectile is ranged

[half hatch]

if you're interested have a look at it
https://youtu.be/M0mppO2Jork

@misty crane maybe ur also interested in this but do note that my disturbance is prob a lot lower than yours and check the atk in the info to see how far apart we are

[eager smelt]

wtf its hoc again

[half hatch]

2 small little notes

• i pressed WA to early on the first wall the HC should have been gone after the WA already
• i probably could CA a bit later at the end but if you need the damage before that this should really bother you

[half hatch]

yuh but meele now

[eager smelt]

ill use my rat tech to outscore eu

+2 tech from last cycle

[misty crane]

3 AM here

I hate waiting the last creep

[half hatch]

oh lmao you can always look at it tmrw

no rush

[pallid flare]

the interesting part is... the game is not that fast for me.
it's weird, when i kill her the first time, it takes like 5-10 seconds for the wall to spawn. then i hit it, then i wait and then usually my flow is broken, so i need to regroup somehow to get the second barrier done, and this costs me valuable points

[half hatch]

some animations may delay the wall with what attack are you killing p1 ?

[pallid flare]

i think helia..

[half hatch]

yeah with what attack specifically

different helia attacks may delay the wall spawning

[pallid flare]

yeah i think it's helias ult that does the last damage, but not her final ult just a normal ult

[half hatch]

the one where she uses her crossbow or where she slashes forwards multiple times ?

though i have to admit 10 seconds sound way too long

[pallid flare]

i wonder if my computer has the settings set too high or so... i have max FPS set... but... dunno. i never experience lag but maybe the overall timing of the game is slower...

[half hatch]

fps impact scores a bit but they shouldnt delay the wall by that much

[pallid flare]

maybe together with the animation thingy you mentioned... oh man... can't they just stop the timer for time fractures or whatever is causing weird delays 🤣 it's so annoying.

like you're under time pressure, and what's the first thing you see? a robot taking an eternity so finally enter the game, or some boss animation, some invincibility shield. bruuuh. i need to work towards not stressing myself over time anymore.

[half hatch]

if you're killing p1 with that much left of the animation it may be better to just finishing it of with basics

maybe try that

[misty crane]

I just got 808

Idk how to improve the rot

[pallid flare]

yeah will try

[half hatch]

you can always record otherwise with D diff and atk diff it's prob not a bad score

[pallid flare]

nope

[half hatch]

oh big atk nice

[pallid flare]

now i'm waiting for eons for her second minion to spawn while my AR animation is laready finished...

i hate this mode...

[mortal jetty]

@storm ocean

[misty crane]

I hate this too

Idk the right timing when it spawn

[half hatch]

since bleed was already applied when you ultet with FWS i think the sus WA already hit which would activate her buffs so you can probably leave that sushang rot out and just continue with helia

[pallid flare]

f*ck it... that's not worth it

[storm ocean]

Asaphie my beloved sensei

I should have mentioned that I have 2 star kia elf..ds is probably better

[half hatch]

also you can evade x2 so that sushangs umbrellas lasts longer so that you actually kill the wall with the enhanced WA which results in the second wall spawning earlier

[half hatch]

yuh kia doesnt do shit until 3* and even at 4* it's situational

[misty crane]

Hmmm

[mortal jetty]

Try ds... we should probably have same damage

If you still have problems..you can record so that we can improve together

[round arch]

Ds does ass DMG in SO

But more DMG outside SO

[mortal jetty]

Bruhhhhhh.. she doesn't have songque..her kiana is 2 *

[round arch]

Well then DS better LMAO

[digital sky]

So is sparkles SO rot
Sparkle -> detonator -> detonator?
And if theres another ws- teri
Would it be Teri -> sparkle -> detonator?
Or Sparkle -> Teri -> Detonator?

[digital sky]

How come?

[half hatch]

teri is also a detonator if support her dolls only become a resonance mark if she's the leader

either way sparkle resonance mark would absorb teri mark anyway if she'd still leave a mark

[digital sky]

[half hatch]

so sparkle first

[digital sky]

Omg i had no clue teri turns into a detonator when not leader

[half hatch]

she always detonates her own mark the only thing that changes is that her own mark just doesnt spawn anymore

[digital sky]

Wait so is she a detonator or a placer?

When shes not lead

[half hatch]

for refrence

[digital sky]

Cuz when shes lead u like
Ult and use ur detonators, then finish off with teri

Unless ive been lied too...by someone i completely forgot so atp its my fault

WS is so confusing

[storm ocean]

I mean its an improvement

I'll bald later hoc is pissing me off keeps dodging my WA

[digital sky]

Okay so in both
Sparkle detonator detonator
And
Sparkle teri detonator

You go
Sparkle -> Teri/Detonator -> Detonator

[mortal jetty]

Are u missing damage with my run? Ss can also spam weapon I forgot

[storm ocean]

The part where you kill TV I think

Can't kill it with badum ult

Which is fair I don't have badum weapon and she isn't properly affixed

[mortal jetty]

Just qteing with helia

After badum.ult

[storm ocean]

But she is already on field to deal damage to last 1/3 bar

Oh wait do I switch to kiana before TV spawns?

[mortal jetty]

Badum ult can reset helja qte

[mortal jetty]

No

[storm ocean]

Ik that just confused with the time frame

[mortal jetty]

Do like in my video but qte in with helia after kiana ult in p3

[storm ocean]

Okie

[half hatch]

teri always detonates some marks when she uses attacks while having quantum energy, meaning if she's a dps she places a mark + detonates it a few times herself and when she's a support her mark doesn't place anymore and she just detonates

[digital sky]

So question

Her SO ultimate is a mark right

It costs 30sp

[half hatch]

you don't need to user her ult

the mark instantly spawns with SO

her puppets always descend to the field

and when she's the leader they turn into a mark

[half hatch]

again for refrence the skill im referring to

[digital sky]

So whats the point of teri ult in SO? If shes supporting

[half hatch]

free demej and quantum collapse

[digital sky]

-# Oooh i wonder if you can get 2 teri ults with sparkles ult cd reduction....

[half hatch]

also i don't think there's a single boss where teri is used as a WS support

[digital sky]

...:(

[vernal terrace]

Not even Bita?

[half hatch]

that's her boss

there's one start where you use thele/spork as a teri support but vita +HoFi/fws is already alright

[digital sky]

All the sena bosses would want vita badum.

[half hatch]

boss* she only has one afaik

[digital sky]

Yeah.

OH YA theres that mobbing one right?

[half hatch]

i doubt she will take it when fws literally has mob link

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/819962254278918165.webp?size=16&animated=true

and fws deals more demej

[digital sky]

But i- ..okay :(

Kinda sad for teri tho
No WoD or No WS support

Where shes BiS

I guess if ur using WoD and need qua collapse she can be used

[half hatch]

she had a BiS WoD scenario before vita

[digital sky]

So her own patch

[vernal terrace]

Did Badum take Resonance Guaymas?

[half hatch]

no they ran lightning gaymax last patch and badum took that so they invted that boss this patch

[vernal terrace]

[digital sky]

Thats so funny
Badum took a lightning boss

Must of been
Badum Vita Songque

[half hatch]

badum + songque too good

critical value trigger was pretty good on guaymas

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[digital sky]

I wish i had songque

The only pt2 valk i dont really want is dudu and lantern

Maybe i can lucksack if shes on carnival

[vernal terrace]

Would have done better on Guaymas too
But my only two other Valks with Heavenly Shift are Bio

[half hatch]

depends on how many valks they'll rotate in/out but i doubt they'll rotate in 3 new valks

so she'll prob be

but who knows this is second cn ani

haven't had any sample yet

[digital sky]

Well the only other valk id try going for is ps

And she is most definitely to recent

[half hatch]

yeah she won't be there for a good while

[vernal terrace]

For me either Sonkek, Vita if she's there, or Spork if they add her there too

[digital sky]

Hmmm s2 sparkle... s2 vita.. s2 teri...s0 songque..
Or lantern i guess but. Lantern is sad wouldnt be surprised if they skipped her lol

[half hatch]

i doubt lantern or thele will be in another carn

[digital sky]

Thelema most definitely not

[half hatch]

they'll prob be the ones rotated out of it

[vernal terrace]

Thel likely gonna be in BP

[digital sky]

Lantern is iffy

[digital sky]

Yeah true.

[vernal terrace]

Then Lampbad

[open bone]

What carnival are we talking about?

[half hatch]

carnival supply check all supply explained in #👶beginner-help pins

[open bone]

Ty

[whole sun]

anyone else just not able to use that lineup tutorial

the button just does nothing

[quasi pier]

if that's hot on the trail, then that button has legit never worked

[whole sun]

well at least im not going insane

[vernal terrace]

HoHe support
Sonkek better

[foggy vapor]

Is there any way to make HoR work currently or is she just to old to make work without some kind of buff/AR weapon? (She's my favorite battle suit cause of the bike)

[half hatch]

You can play her ofc but in terms of meta and relevance she's pretty much dead

Also what's your definition of make her work

[foggy vapor]

Like clearing modern content

[half hatch]

She can clear content but clearing doesn't really mean anything here it's about how fast she is

[digital sky]

Ur gonna need JK 4/4 SSS and Kira 4/4 SSS aswell for supports

[half hatch]

I'd also depend on the boss/weather how good she'll perform

And SSS HoR + SoE:AE and willows

[digital sky]

Willows is farmable from foundry, and Soe:AE is a dkey that is only obtainable through certain means

SoE*

[half hatch]

It's also highly unlikely that she'll receive said buffs since she already got a buff with SoE:AE

Generally you can always try to get her stuff as a side project though

And use her for fun/cope clears or ER

[foggy vapor]

Yeah unfortunately lol