Very good
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
deft kiln
atomic escarp
best part of the update
deft kiln
I do think hel gun needed the buff to
broken scarab
Now I want to add back the snatchers
earnest minnow
I do think hel gun needed the buff to
eh
pliant pasture
balmy robin
Yes, it was there
deft kiln
Sentries weren’t damaging host
deft kiln
Learned this with the hel auto changes
daring pilot
wait
i just realized
bots with big pickups during alarms was never addressed
sigh
deft kiln
bots with big pickups during alarms was never addressed
Or r7e1 scout bug
daring pilot
what's that one?
prisma zodiac
scout saves peoples positions and those dont get updated if too far away
so if you were near a door that gets closed. Then opened again (and you are far away) a scout can trigger off of it
deft kiln
Or interact bug
Or scout scream bug
Or spitter sound bug
Or bots not getting in exact scans
deft kiln
Or shooter bug
pliant pasture
kind swan
and slug shotgun and short rifle weren't touched <:d4rkevDespair:116854998050460...
Or at least they weren't listed if they were touched
We'll have to look into it ourselves to see if shadow changes happened
pliant pasture
have they done shadow buffs before?
also, what are some games people recommend? i don't want to go back to sim games
velvet flower
Perhaps a game you can dive into hell?
pliant pasture
there are def some hells i would like to dive into, a game with dailies makes me sad but avoiding those might be a fool's errand
pliant pasture
*play it wheat*
ya okay
my local buddies have been getting into it and looks like some good shooting democracy
velvet flower
and liberty
daring pilot
we love democrcy
pliant pasture
whats a little fire between friendlies?
kind swan
Anyone played hell divers 1 knows just how easy it is to TK
Not to mention. Anyone new to the hell diver series likely don't know how it is
It's a fun experience overall
cosmic quail
Team killing is always fun!
velvet flower
There's just a few bugs in helldivers that you can easily throw a grenade accidentally then...
daring pilot
Anyone played hell divers 1 knows just how easy it is to TK
dude it's so much easier now
i got grazed by an smg bullet and instakilled
10/10
kind swan
i got grazed by an smg bullet and instakilled
This is likely because headshots are likely insta death
Whereas in hell divers 1 you can't really target the head
pliant arrow
Does anyone know how much of a wave reduction R8B4 has gotten after the update?
half hornet
Yeah.
Out of the 3 BP unironically needed buffs the least
It wasn't great, but it wasn't an absolute ass either
Unlike a certain metal pipe
But hey, they buffed my boy.
Gotta edit the wiki page for better math
half hornet
...or increaing base damage
Same thing for smalls, slightly improved performance into bigs
Have we datamined changes yet?
pliant pasture
...or increaing base damage
is it still feel different from the sawed with that change?
half hornet
is it still feel different from the sawed with that change?
Not sure what you're asking, but probably not. Sawed Off x4 is insane, could be balanced as x3
void thunder
I hope they made the end of R8B4 easier not harder.
Patch notes say "adjusted" which is ambiguous.
balmy robin
Easier.
pliant pasture
Not sure what you're asking, but probably not. Sawed Off x4 is insane, could be ...
hmm: if base damage went up on slug would it feel too similar to sawed off?
half hornet
Don't think so
Same difference as comparing High Cal to Pump Action
Do i spray and pray or i do i need to make sure that the slug connects
pliant pasture
Patch notes say "adjusted" which is ambiguous.
ya that error alarm was one of the hardest in the game and a " ' B tier ' " so they probably want to make it easier not harder
half hornet
Yeah, that alarm was insane for a B level
People were unironically getting hardstuck
pliant pasture
Do i spray and pray or i do i need to make sure that the slug connects
ya i never got comfy with the sawed off so thought i'd check
pliant pasture
People were unironically getting hardstuck
full waves on an Extreme error is practically a surge alarm
daring pilot
hmm: if base damage went up on slug would it feel too similar to sawed off?
it would actually be a lot like HCP if it had more range
west crow
Is the tumor damage cap removal misinfo or big if true
wanton stump
the what now
half hornet
the what now
We have reports that devs removed tumor damage cap for bosses, which means sniper is now allowed to reliably kill a tank in exactly 4 shots
It also once again mad sniper the best anti-kraken weapon in the game with Precision Rifle being slightly behind
winter wharf
Is the tumor damage cap removal misinfo or big if true
from your betrothed badger https://streamable.com/6q6bcc
like it is an actual thing
honest lotus
XD
deft kiln
Now bosses are a joke on host
Yeah
half hornet
Well, at least it now actually competes with scatter
west crow
Thank you devs for adding back fun
prisma zodiac
Now bosses are a joke on host
they are the same/slightly worse on all guns but sniper as to what client already had
its rly just sniper being buffed HAAAARD
half hornet
With this change in mind i now understand why they didn't do anything about magazine or reload time
Its literally just that - a boss killer.
west crow
It's back to their original 2 shot design
But now it shoots faster so people can't go wah wah
prisma zodiac
Client sniper did not used to 4 shot
„All guns but sniper“
winter wharf
they really took it personally when people kept saying that scattergun was really the only boss killer
half hornet
I mean... It was.
Except kraken, for purely physical limitations.
Now i know how to carry R8D2 i guess, if i'll need to?
Then again... Nightmares... Urgh.
west crow
Use the hel gun with its new ammo buff
Glad the weapon got some love
Definitely went a lower tier after the short rifle dropped
velvet flower
Yeah, just tried a sniper run, definitely a worthy weapon now
half hornet
i dont know, 2 shots on 3.5 reload time is still brutal
prisma zodiac
beep about pre r8 sniper - whyd you take that shit
beep about the r8 sniper - worth running
tho i agree on its current state ape moding bosses being funny af
half hornet
Its almost like he's not serious
winter wharf
oh god please don't start going at it again
west crow
That's because pre r8 people talked about how God awful the burst cannon was so I had to defend that
I'm on the side against the anime pfp no mic bio users
tropic pollen
I'm on the side against the anime pfp no mic bio users
laughs in being a no mic bio user but without an anime pfp
west crow
Is the .2 damage on burst pistol worth anything
deft kiln
You are still the enemy
deft kiln
Is the .2 damage on burst pistol worth anything
No
tropic pollen
Is the .2 damage on burst pistol worth anything
its now the same as regular pistol
pliant pasture
I'm on the side against the anime pfp no mic bio users
half hornet
Wait, what's the BP damage now?
west crow
2.1
half hornet
Burst Pistol not Bull Pup
west crow
Changes are in wiki chat
prisma zodiac
3.2
west crow
Oops nvm Sam dB said the sniper is still shit
I'm on the side against ladders (Sam dbs side) and now fully believe taking it is the wrong choice
mossy yoke
Is the tumor damage cap removal misinfo or big if true
yes, it was intentional to remove the max tumor hp clamp that was being done on host, since it wasn't being done on clients and caused for unreliability
west crow
I have a question from mountainman
Did the burst delay on bc change anything
Since the burst charge is already longer than the delay itself
mossy yoke
because syncing client side realtime in the middle of a fight was not something we could commit to being able to do reliably at this stage in the game
west crow
Usually developers say that when the game is in an earlier state
deft kiln
I mean he is correct tho
west crow
Not saying he isn't
west crow
It's ultimately up to them what they want to do with their last patch
deft kiln
Fixing client sycn would have been disgusting
nocturne flax
hopefully this will be fix in dens of wolves
mossy yoke
gtfo 2.0 /s
nocturne flax
gotta update the unity engine
mossy yoke
but yeah i can say we're at least learning a lot of stuff from gtfo
nocturne flax
with GTFO 2.0
west crow
Going to screenshot that comment for no reason whatsoever
deft kiln
gtfo 2.0 /s
Please
nocturne flax
but yeah i can say we're at least learning a lot of stuff from gtfo
yeah, GTFO was clearly a learning experience
deft kiln
I would give anything
nocturne flax
now you know not to do FOMO
winter wharf
ah shit
winter wharf
for gtfo 2 can we get a rundown launcher like how halo MCC does it
west crow
now you know not to do FOMO
People missed out on the graphics card
nocturne flax
People missed out on the graphics card
gotta get that ryzen
winter wharf
so you can launch the (most up to date) versions of the rundowns but keep them seperate
nocturne flax
even tho i play on a laptop
west crow
Just plug it in
west crow
Will the gtfo store be getting a patch soon as well?
livid heath
Burst pistol buffs:
narrow gulch
I like that it still didnt get charger stagger
livid heath
I like that it still didnt get charger stagger
3.05 dmg is all i need 
west crow
Dw Calle said I'm allowed to raise the stagger multi myself
livid heath
Let me fiddle with da codings cuz im such a vir/gin
narrow gulch
im actually going insane
livid heath
west crow
You gotta relax chill dude
narrow gulch
those are just funny, the boss change is the real insanity
west crow
No one answered my question if the burst cannon change did anything
livid heath
those are just funny, the boss change is the real insanity
I cant quick swap after BC shots
narrow gulch
its such a small change anyways it likely didnt
livid heath
Well its slow so id consider it that
narrow gulch
but I dont know 100% how all the burst weapon stats work
west crow
So technically the only significant weapon pass was the damage cap change
narrow gulch
like
livid heath
but I dont know 100% how all the burst weapon stats work
The delay from pre patch helped me just swap immediately to main wp
winter wharf
I want to say it's just the same thing as hel gun, cooldown/time between shots/bursts
not that impactful though, really
livid heath
Now i just shoot 2 burst and cant even swap
narrow gulch
this boss change was not even what the problem was, but ig sniper got a big buff
west crow
It's a 3 burst gun
winter wharf
the damage cap change is ludicrous, and the firerate buff for sniper is nice I guess
livid heath
How many ammo did the pump/arbalist buff into?
wary olive
or only with single shot its not capped
kind swan
How many ammo did the pump/arbalist buff into?
32 / 184 iirc
narrow gulch
from my understanding
winter wharf
does host scatter 2 shot mom now?
maybe? some pellets are still going awry so host scatter is still worse for boss killing
livid heath
32 / 184 iirc
Huh? The arbalist has 32rounds now?
narrow gulch
host scatter is the exact same as before
livid heath
Ayo what
kind swan
Huh? The arbalist has 32rounds now?
pump / arby ya silly
narrow gulch
the max cap on tumors is NOT what the problem with host to client is
winter wharf
the shotgun holds 32 rounds rn
winter wharf
yeah with shotguns the primary thing is pellets hitting tumours
narrow gulch
the max cap on tumors affected pretty much exclusively sniper
livid heath
Man i love when a R2E1 run just gives me last surge scans that comes back to the sec door
winter wharf
yeah, it should be
west crow
Will he finally admit defeat in the high cal vs hel rifle argument
livid heath
shit like high cal on mom as host is same as client now right?
Wait they weren’t the same?
I mean i see the significant change in stagger giants
narrow gulch
#patch-notes message ok there we go
crisp gyro
W patch notes
west crow
Thanks d0cr3d
winter wharf
Wait they weren’t the same?
host could only deal the current tumour HP, no overkill
client could deal up to the tumour HP cap, so overkill
If host shot 10hp tumour with 20 damage, you'd only deal 10 damage. Client would deal 20.
that's how tumour hp caps worked
wary olive
wait
winter wharf
bad change, bad game. Scatter/sniper get to walk all over mom but burst cannon is still sad vs mom
wary olive
that change removed overdamaging tumors completely?
west crow
This is incorrect
livid heath
host could only deal the current tumour HP, no overkill
client could deal up to ...
Oh i was like. Wait is the thing affecting me and client high cal on stagger, i wasnt on about boss types but thats rad to know now
winter wharf
that change removed overdamaging tumors completely?
yes, a sniper shot deals 400 damage to mom now
deft kiln
that change removed overdamaging tumors completely?
Correct
wary olive
ok but that doesnt fix host/client pellet dmg difference
winter wharf
rip to the modded rundowns out there
deft kiln
Also this is a buff to yellow syringe vs boss btw
narrow gulch
let me try to explain from the start
livid heath
Also this is a buff to yellow syringe vs boss btw
Hmmm?
west crow
ok but that doesnt fix host/client pellet dmg difference
Unless otherwise, nope
prisma zodiac
guys is sniper 3 shotting mom a good change or nah
I dunno about whether its balanced
But it makes it a pure giant and boss answer which is probably more balanced than scatter still
west crow
Finally the syringe buff
livid heath
How the fuq bro
narrow gulch
tumors had 3 parts for damaging them:
- tumors not breaking instantly on client (mainly affects shotguns)
- tumor hp not syncing for clients so they always did max damage
- tumor damage being capped at tumor max hp
only 2 and 3 were changed
tumor hp no longer matters on host in addition to client, and max damage cap is completely gone
but pellets on host will still break tumors at the proper times and therefore lose damage
narrow gulch
only 2 and 3 were changed
west crow
Can you change those to bullet points chill dude
narrow gulch
tumor hp no longer matters on host in addition to client, and max damage cap is completely gone
but pellets on host will still break tumors at the proper times and therefore lose damage
livid heath
@half hornet any buffs and fixes you fancy?
wary olive
so the patch notes wording is misleading because scatter gun, burst cannon, or choke mod spam still do more as client than host right?
west crow
Ya
half hornet
All the buffs are welcome, alltough Burst Pistol one is underwhelming.
livid heath
They shouls had buffed PR frfr
wary olive
ok gotcha
narrow gulch
yes
winter wharf
at this point should tumours even break anymore
west crow
No
narrow gulch
I think its cool that they break tbh
winter wharf
that would fix the pellet problem
half hornet
6.05 > 6.2 damage did nothing for breakpoints, its just a range damage fall off insurance at best.
winter wharf
might make it harder to know how beaten up mom is though
livid heath
at this point should tumours even break anymore
For the sake of harder gameplay against tanks, no
Idk bout yall but weak tank with butt crack tumor is pretty hard to hit lul
narrow gulch
I think they just didnt want to give burst pistol 2 + 1
livid heath
I think they just didnt want to give burst pistol 2 + 1
Imagine the kick from 3 burst pistol
eternal loom
Am i reading this patch update right? are they saying that they "buffed" host damage to match client, or nerfed "Client" damage
"made the same"
deft kiln
Buff host
eternal loom
but like... which way
livid heath
Am i reading this patch update right? are they saying that they "buffed" host da...
I think its host buffs
eternal loom
SICK
narrow gulch
let me compile my messaage ig
narrow gulch
prisma zodiac
also buffed everything that deals enough damage
which is 2 things (unless you go into modded)
wait actually
west crow
Let me compiled chill dudes message ig
velvet flower
They ends up not "balancing the host and client", but only buffed sniper and some niche meleeing
livid heath
wait actually
west crow
prisma zodiac
They ends up not "balancing the host and client", but only buffed sniper and som...
Host works the same now as client on anything but shotguns
which is super hard to fix
livid heath
which is super hard to fix
Well yeah
mortal portal
Now you can 3 shot a mom with sniper apparently
livid heath
Thats alot of calculating going on with one dmg output
mortal portal
And 4 shot a tank
prisma zodiac
And 4 shot a tank
real 5
Effectively 4 (missing 40 dmg)
deft kiln
Now you can 3 shot a mom with sniper apparently
I think you can two shoot a mom with spear and yellow syringe
and melee boosters
Kinda funny
livid heath
I think you can two shoot a mom with spear and yellow syringe
59% if maxed only aggravate booster
narrow gulch
bat is like 100% free now prolly
deft kiln
^
livid heath
And 93% mele dmg if everything maxes out
prisma zodiac
You can nearly 2 shot tank
prisma zodiac
bat is like 100% free now prolly
Already was tbf
wary olive
kaiser its explained here
#gtfo-spoiler-chat message
livid heath
You can nearly 2 shot tank
Game just got easier u nu 10C gonna drop a new rundown with extra nerfs to scatter
prisma zodiac
And 93% mele dmg if everything maxes out
You can go to 100% no?
west crow
Insane bat buff
livid heath
You can go to 100% no?
No
deft kiln
You can go to 100% no?
Yes
narrow gulch
102% iirc
narrow gulch
that does indeed add up to 102
west crow
Beth you're probably missing context
livid heath
Trolling intended lmao
olive shoal
max damage cap on tumors is gone?
deft kiln
max damage cap on tumors is gone?
Yeah
winter wharf
Completely gone
mortal portal
Let's see if I can still one shot a mom with scatter now that there's the new tumor bug
olive shoal
what
winter wharf
Host still gets pellets eaten by tumour break though
narrow gulch
new tumor bug?
olive shoal
well yea
mortal portal
Heck what about a tank
olive shoal
But like
narrow gulch
also wdym still
livid heath
kaiser its explained here
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/714910...
Oh thanks ryk
mortal portal
R8E2 is gonna be a joke now
west crow
Oh no!
narrow gulch
I think you dont understand what the change is
livid heath
R8E2 is gonna be a joke now
Finally i can no longer have audio bugs
calm coral
Heck what about a tank
sniper 4 shots tank with a tiny amount of s dmg boosters
winter wharf
I might be butchering words, not doing well on the health or intelligence front rn
livid heath
Cause speeding it is easy now
narrow gulch
actually
west crow
Beth what do you think of hel gun getting 2 more bullets
olive shoal
yea I was gonna say is sniper actually way better vs bosses now?
livid heath
sniper 4 shots tank with a tiny amount of s dmg boosters
29 and the mf ded as hell
olive shoal
Beth what do you think of hel gun getting 2 more bullets
Sick!!!
winter wharf
yea I was gonna say is sniper actually way better vs bosses now?
Yep
narrow gulch
scatter is still better but
winter wharf
400 dmg/shot vs mom
livid heath
yea I was gonna say is sniper actually way better vs bosses now?
Shot delay massively decreases so yea wahooo
calm coral
yea I was gonna say is sniper actually way better vs bosses now?
yeah its a sniper/scatter shadowbuff as well
olive shoal
Beep this joke was dead on arrival
west crow
I don't think so
livid heath
Finally i can walk into pub and not get a scatter ram up my rear on extract 
olive shoal
that’s such a weird change to make on the last patch
wary olive
Beep this joke was dead on arrival
i thought it was funny here
#gtfo-spoiler-chat message
olive shoal
As if boss enemies weren’t already a joke
mortal portal
Guess I'll have to remove sniper from my modded rundown for balance purposes now
livid heath
Guess I'll have to remove sniper from my modded rundown for balance purposes now
Dont u dare
winter wharf
@mortal portal what was the tumour bug you mentioned?
mortal portal
Apparently they removed the damage cap on tumors
velvet flower
Scattergun still pretty much as effective as a sniper against most bosses execept krakens
west crow
Wait so let me get this strange
winter wharf
Apparently they removed the damage cap on tumors
That's not a bug that's the intentional change to change client/host disparity
mortal portal
Yep
west crow
It's GONE
pliant pasture
Apparently they removed the damage cap on tumors
they bugged burst pistol damage up too lol
narrow gulch
ok but real shit guys
wary olive
yeah tested it here
#gtfo-spoiler-chat message
narrow gulch
shotgun is now mandatory
pliant pasture
the* shotgun shotgun?
livid heath
shotgun is now mandatory
Ah yes shot gun achivement free fr fr
narrow gulch
shotgun shotgun
velvet flower
Before patch, If the tumor has 1hp left, host sniper deals 1, client sniper deals tumor HP.
After patch, if the tumor has 1 hp, host/client sniper both deals 80
winter wharf
80 * prec multi of boss
narrow gulch
oh wait they finally fixed r7d1
west crow
With the removal of the damage cap I think the r4e1 speedruns will be sub 40 minutes
pliant pasture
shotgun shotgun
whats the appeal? i think i only tied it once
wary olive
so 1 sniper shot does 400 dmg to mom?
velvet flower
Since most bosses hitting non tumor is irrelevant
wary olive
winter wharf
With the removal of the damage cap I think the r4e1 speedruns will be sub 40 min...
surely a time of 39:50 is achieveable now
narrow gulch
whats the appeal? i think i only tied it once
its a joke, they just buffed the ammo a bit
velvet flower
I'll simply treat mom as a 200 eHP boss
west crow
so 1 sniper shot does 400 dmg to mom?
I thought you tested it
deft kiln
I'll simply treat mom as a 200 eHP boss
You can do this
livid heath
oh wait they finally fixed r7d1
Yeah
west crow
Tested it here? #gtfo-spoiler-chat message
livid heath
Wait does that mean
west crow
Yeah chill dude
livid heath
R7D1 snatcher cheese mot viable?
wary olive
u right mb i must have not been paying attention
narrow gulch
just tell them to fllow the blue link road to see the wizard
livid heath
How they fixed r7d1
No more snatcher hood
They cant jump you no more with over 5 of them
narrow gulch
anyone seen how much r8b4 was nerfed yet btw
also calling it a trickle is very funny
balmy robin
I am curious as well ; I made some suggestions, and I know others have as well.
vocal geode
anyone seen how much r8b4 was nerfed yet btw
was too busy getting those 2 logs I was missing
balmy robin
Calling it a trickle sound like a British person commenting on the rain
sand prawn
it is a trickle
late nebula
I didn’t see if they fixed teleport issues, hopefully that is the case they did
sand prawn
just kill slower 🙂
west crow
What would you call it chill pisser
livid heath
anyone seen how much r8b4 was nerfed yet btw
How did it get nerfed?
deft kiln
~~also calling it a trickle is very funny~~
That is what it is called in the blocks
narrow gulch
idk, im asking
balmy robin
I am guessing the waves to not increase in size as much as they did
livid heath
I am guessing the waves to not increase in size as much as they did
I think the only thing had to be done was fog rising speed
balmy robin
They used to go from 10 smalls and 2 giants to 20 smalls and 2 giants, effectively reaching the cap with each wave
livid heath
They used to go from 10 smalls and 2 giants to 20 smalls and 2 giants, effective...
But you can still hold out by funneling
late nebula
I think the only thing had to be done was fog rising speed
Just use the prev terminal to lower it 💀
vocal geode
Just use the prev terminal to lower it 💀
they probably fixed that though
livid heath
Not that i dont know it
late nebula
Lame
wary olive
I think the only thing had to be done was fog rising speed
size of the waves was a bit big for b level imo
livid heath
size of the waves was a bit big for b level imo
I mean look at the door placement
Its screaming funnel me
velvet flower
I'm fine if they fix it so you can't lower the fog again, but at least make the fog repeller guranteed to spawn
livid heath
And the 2 rooms are basically the same with small door leads to the needed scan
livid heath
I'm fine if they fix it so you can't lower the fog again, but at least make the ...
One time
I had 16 foggies
And 2 times when there was none 
narrow gulch
foggy rng was very cool
sand prawn
just hold in bulkhead zone
half hornet
In a C level i could understand. Fucking B? Even if 4 - that was insane.
velvet linden
They should’ve kept it
livid heath
Yeah, B4 was crazy
I easily got through by just funneling and just plain ol shotgun sentry
BC-pdw swap was insane on the nightmares
half hornet
You know what was the single hardest part of any pub?
half hornet
Fight their way out after acquiring the first cell
velvet flower
R8 difficulty is simply different, so I'm fine with the difficulty, even R8A2 can't be compare to any other a-tier
half hornet
It was brutal
Literally swimming against the current
With current punching you for 40 HP
livid heath
R8 difficulty is simply different, so I'm fine with the difficulty, even R8A2 ca...
A2 
is like R4A3 overload + R7D2
vocal geode
??
half hornet
Can't split either - the zone is too big, so they just spawn between you
velvet flower
Only the giants can forward spawn
livid heath
Only the giants can forward spawn
Do they?
velvet flower
That's the only thing cell hunter has to be careful
livid heath
Ive only have that once
wary olive
i've had the small wave spawn in between us
livid heath
i've had the small wave spawn in between us
Thats common
1st cell and door are enough for middle spawn
deft kiln
i've had the small wave spawn in between us
Two room issue
livid heath
Yeah
winter wharf
Giants can't forward spawn anymore allegedly
wary olive
did u see heartfelts and idiotontheinternet's duo video though
livid heath
Shotgun sentry kill potential maximize on that 1st cell
wary olive
they didnt get any of the small + nightmare waves spawning between them
livid heath
Holy shit it was amazing
winter wharf
Checkpointing at any time does mess with wave spawns
livid heath
winter wharf
Like not even just in the level
wary olive
oh checkpointing causes the in between spawns?
winter wharf
If you checkpointed and didn't restart before b4 it'd go funny
pliant pasture
Two room issue
wait, isn't that error an extreme alarm? (and aren't extreme alarms one room spawns alarms?)
winter wharf
oh checkpointing causes the in between spawns?
Yea that's what Eva figured out
wary olive
ok that would explain it
livid heath
Yea that's what Eva figured out
Same
The pub experience of having to go through hell
pseudo lily
wait, isn't that error an extreme alarm? (and aren't extreme alarms one room spa...
no?
livid heath
wait, isn't that error an extreme alarm? (and aren't extreme alarms one room spa...
No
The extreme spawns the army
Then stops for nightmares to happen
And then after 
bulk door
It begins
velvet flower
We only have 2 extreme alarms in game and can't really say they have any specific traits
livid heath
We only have 2 extreme alarms in game and can't really say they have any specifi...
Yeah
This cluster scan however is tough
I mean i can hold big time on the army but shit do they not give up
pliant pasture
We only have 2 extreme alarms in game and can't really say they have any specifi...
huh, weird
i carried my assumption for too long
livid heath
Half of the time i get overrun easy
velvet flower
It's not like terms "surge" "sustain" "travel" "diminished" that we can link these terms to specific properties
livid heath
It's not like terms "surge" "sustain" "travel" "diminished" that we can link the...
Its a surge complete ig
Cause it just fills over cap
For the army wave im taking
olive shoal
I need a stats monkey
velvet flower
Surge alarm not just capped, it also has extremely low spawn cooldown
olive shoal
how much does 1 scattergun shot do to mom as client
narrow gulch
around 550
olive shoal
Thanks
wary olive
how much does 1 scattergun shot do to mom as client
in case you need some more stats and breakpoints
#gtfo-spoiler-chat message
hexed vapor
The the devs mean charge-up...
or do they not understand that burst delay does literally nothing?
HEL Gun ammo buff is wild.
Arbalist and shotgun ammo buffs sound good 👍
weary spruce
I saw buckland and I hoped it was choke mod buffs, was sad when I saw it was regular shotgun buffs
narrow gulch
Har sitting in the corner crying even harder than before
hexed vapor
Also, it seems that damage done to bosses via tumors is no longer capped. This should mean the client-tumor bug is no longer relevant. It also means sniper can 3-shot mothers and 5-shot (almost 4-shot) tanks.
?????
weary spruce
Weirdest change, but it means sniper is a viable pick vs bosses now
deft kiln
> Also, it seems that damage done to bosses via tumors is no longer capped. This...
To balance sniper ray
deft kiln
Weirdest change, but it means sniper is a viable pick vs bosses now
It was before into tank
before the random nerf
livid heath
Har sitting in the corner crying even harder than before
PR depression is real
crisp gyro
It was before into tank
its 7 before vs 6 now nice change since they kept 2 per mag
deft kiln
its 7 before vs 6 now nice change since they kept 2 per mag
It was still fine pick into tank 2 reloads plus team tank dead you could fire 3 shots very quickly
hexed vapor
It was always basically dead after 6 shots
hexed vapor
You probably still shouldn't run Sniper, but it's neat.
deft kiln
You probably still shouldn't run Sniper, but it's neat.
Ray you might be able to two tap
Mom
With spear
yellow
and like 50% melee Damage
wary olive
Nvm, cringe
yeah its explained here
#gtfo-spoiler-chat message
deft kiln
yeah its explained here
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/71491012...
Where is it explained
balmy robin
The infinite link train
wary olive
Where is it explained
deft kiln
The banks I needed that
mossy yoke
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/416907525460590593/1192124041482...
[actual link is here](#gtfo-spoiler-chat message)
earnest minnow
I did not react that wtf
livid heath
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/416907525460590593/1192124041482...
NOOOOOO
crisp gyro
[actual link is here](https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/7149101232...
magic 🤯
vital sinew
R8A2 weekly terminal password, anyone ?
pliant pasture
@glossy crescent
glossy crescent
crisp gyro
first attempt weewoo @livid heath weewoo first attempt
boreal tendon
the patch notes aren't event true
scattergun is still much better on client than the host
prisma zodiac
@half hornet 
coarse berry
Har sitting in the corner crying even harder than before
pain
if the recoil lined up properly with the sights i'd be happy
plain saddle
yes, it was intentional to remove the max tumor hp clamp that was being done on ...
This isn't what used to happen. The prior behaviour was that host was clamped by the tumor current HP, while client was capped by tumor max HP. This was likely because both were attempting to use the tumor's current HP, but clients failed to get updates regarding the tumor's HP.
This caused unreliability for hosts when targetting already damaged tumors, as sometimes their shots will deal drastically less damage than normal due to a tumor being on low HP. It definitely would have been difficult to make both clients and hosts have the host behaviour (syncing the tumor HP mid-fight would indeed be difficult), and it would have resulted in both hosts and clients being unreliable when targetting already damaged tumors. So it makes sense to give both of them the client behaviour.
But this isn't what has been done. Instead of changing both hosts and clients to use the tumor max HP as a cap, the cap has been removed entirely. Which has drastically altered the balance of Sniper in these match-ups (e.g. it now deals 400 damage to Mothers, up from 126, a 317% damage increase).
I would like to clarify if this was the intended result.
Was this: #gtfo-spoiler-chat message the intended change?
CC: @broken scarab
pearl tartan
This isn't what used to happen. The prior behaviour was that host was clamped by...
Its possible to solve the issue without syncing tumour hp mid fight. Since the host knows which limbID gets shot (so it can perform limb breaks properly) the host can further clamp the clients damage to the corresponding limb's current hp - its honestly weird why this isnt done in the first place...
atomic escarp
Was this: https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/714910123277025421/120...
this is cooked lmao
but like so is scatter
idk man
pearl tartan
the less easy problem to solve is the issue of client shotguns and latency for tumour breaks allowing clients to hit a tumour with more bullets than it should since the limb doesnt break "in time"
- this can kind of be accounted for in the same way DeadBodyFix mod handles the exact same issue but with enemies as a whole rather than each limb
pearl tartan
Its possible to solve the issue without syncing tumour hp mid fight. Since the h...
If this fix is applied then the issue of tumour breaks becomes less clients doing more damage, but tumours eating up more bullets than it should on clients end causing clients to lose damage
atomic escarp
i wonder
deft kiln
I mean give the ability for sniper to 4 shot boss
plain saddle
Its possible to solve the issue without syncing tumour hp mid fight. Since the h...
You've already pointed out the problem with this fix, but worth mentioning that both mother and pmother have highly stacked tumors, so the inability to deal overspill damage by breaking one tumor and being able to damage the one behind it is kind of terrible.
It's also a problem with multiple clients damaging the same tumor. Should we cap client 2 just because client 1 damaged it first. We're back to very unreliable behaviour.
Capping based on tumor current HP will always result in unreliable behaviour and just isn't a good idea. My sniper dealt 1 damage because my teammate left a tumor on 1 HP just shouldn't be in the game.
pearl tartan
You've already pointed out the problem with this fix, but worth mentioning that ...
this is a fair take, ig it depends on how you want to design the system
deft kiln
You've already pointed out the problem with this fix, but worth mentioning that ...
Tbh I think this means
In gtfr we should buff boss and tumor health
pearl tartan
i personally dont mind if damage is capped by tumours or not -> was just offering solutions to accomodate the old system (if it was preferred over the current)
deft kiln
I think playing with boss health at 1500 is probs best
atomic escarp
is gtfr the randomizer?
deft kiln
Yeah
Personnally I think we probs shouldn’t be able to two shot a boss by oneself
just my take
atomic escarp
100% agree with that one
I do like how sniper and scatter are somewhat equal?!? now ig but i dont think they did it the right way lol
plain saddle
the less easy problem to solve is the issue of client shotguns and latency for t...
A practical fix that doesn't involve any complicated look-ahead calculations is just to increase the tumor HP (without increasing boss HP). This makes host less disproportionately affected by rapid tumor breaks (we basically just shift them closer to client) and also reduces the annoyance of having to hunt for remaining tumors in situations where we do get accurate tumor breaks.
deft kiln
^ interesting Idea
Still has the chance that sniper does 1 dmg tho
It makes it more likely no? Nvm I am stupid it has way more damage
pearl tartan
Still has the chance that sniper does 1 dmg tho
yeah, but less so
its a very neat idea tbh
does make tumour breaks less dramatic tho (the visual indication of boss hp)
plain saddle
does make tumour breaks less dramatic tho (the visual indication of boss hp)
Tank's feedback is fine. Just make mother have 150 HP tumors.
atomic escarp
guys how about we just have the pre patch tumors, nerf scatter to 120, give sniper 3 mag
🥺
plain saddle
Host mother kills are so obnoxious because you literally only have 8HP extra health on tumors to work with, so you have to effectively pop all 8. Including two annoying side ones, and a tiny central one.
While client just gets to mag dump into her central group of large tumors and never has to interact with the annoying ones.
atomic escarp
some cool ideas but the realist in me says none of these are ever happening
late nebula
When short rifle buff 😔 haven’t used the gun since its release
earnest minnow
When short rifle buff 😔 haven’t used the gun since its release
Best pmom wep
i got proof
livid heath
When short rifle buff 😔 haven’t used the gun since its release
PR users after hearing this
fresh bronze
how much of a change in the arbalist v get in terms of ammo on the patch
deft kiln
how much of a change in the arbalist v get in terms of ammo on the patch
6 more shots
fresh bronze
6 more total bruh
deft kiln
6 more total bruh
fresh bronze
oh shots per refill
deft kiln
Yeah it is more shots total
fresh bronze
well still not enough to make me run it over the lawnmower veruta
turbid cliff
Host mother kills are so obnoxious because you literally only have 8HP extra hea...
Almost like the whole tumor gimmick sucks for this game
atomic escarp
rare stormpooper sighting
daring pilot
wasn’t the entire point of the tumor clamp change to make it so that host and client do the same amount of damage (mainly affecting shotguns)?
….which it didn’t really change?
turbid cliff
No the entire point was that they fucked it up and rolled with it because nobody's gonna dedicate any time to gtfo anymore
daring pilot
._.
atomic escarp
despairge
daring pilot
welp now I get to wait for a plugin to reenable clamping, because it is legit impossible to balance sniper now
turbid cliff
Welcome to the last patch
atomic escarp
shotgun 9 per refill 🤑
turbid cliff
(except one in 6-9 months that's just there to promote the new game)
daring pilot
shotgun 9 per refill 🤑
And 7 per reload 
atomic escarp
vanilla purists stay losing
daring pilot
perfectly balanced
daring pilot
vanilla purists stay losing
bro I literally gave you archive 2 days ago
daring pilot
bruh, you weren’t running THE mod tho
winter wharf
I don'tm think so
daring pilot
ok unless nightmare tumors work differently, sniper should be able to one shot nightmare scouts from behind
winter wharf
scout has 160hp, and the tumours do take back damage
daring pilot
they have a 2x back multi
Sniper does 120 to a tumor
Right?
Because 2.0 prec multi
They have 162 hp
atomic escarp
mute booster
daring pilot
wait no
atomic escarp
🤑
daring pilot
yeah you need a booster
But it can do it now
it does 160 from behind with no booster
winter wharf
40 damage x 2 sniper prec multi x 1 scout prec multi x 2 back multi is still 160 yeah
winter wharf
I don't think the tumour change affects the scouts at all actually
atomic escarp
hop on r8d2 babe
winter wharf
well you could previously kill them with a sniper shot to the back + knife slash to the front at the same time, no?
because the back damage gets applied after the tumour gets damaged or something
where is chill dude when you need him
winter wharf
I saw some shit was going on and thought "yeah I don't wanna"
best day I've had in a while let me tell you
atomic escarp
its only gonna get worse
solemn wigeon
its only gonna get worse
owo?
velvet linden
I don't think the tumour change affects the scouts at all actually
i believe that since n-scouts technically have limbs instead of tumors, you are right that the change didn't do anything. They can still be killed with sniper + any special damage booster
inland island
late nebula
🪣
daring pilot
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narrow gulch
i believe that since n-scouts technically have limbs instead of tumors, you are ...
I was wrong when I said that, I had forgotten we literally tested it and I still said the wrong thing
but it doesnt matter now ig
cuz tumours arent really diff than limbs anymore I think?
prisma zodiac
cuz tumours arent really diff than limbs anymore I think?
they should behave pretty much the same ye
cosmic quail
hm
deft kiln
Is the extra one damage gone on tumor break @narrow gulch
cosmic quail
wait do tumors not break anymore or
deft kiln
this is a big deal
deft kiln
wait do tumors not break anymore or
They don’t have a damage cap
cosmic quail
ah
prisma zodiac
they still break
vocal geode
does it make a difference for guns like Burst Cannon or just for Sniper?
prisma zodiac
but they just dont cap single shot dmg anymore
prisma zodiac
does it make a difference for guns like Burst Cannon or just for Sniper?
burst cannon on host
sniper for all
cosmic quail
interesting
deft kiln
and yes jish is gonna add
spear, iix melees, sniper sentry to the mix
If you deal 125 damage to mom tumour do you get 126 damage still
deft kiln
This matters more than anything to me
prisma zodiac
LOL
deft kiln
I liked the extra one damage
narrow gulch
Is the extra one damage gone on tumor break <@417401501774774272>
should be yes
it only applied to host so
cosmic quail
This matters more than anything to me
real
narrow gulch
solo boss kill should be a lot easier now
vocal geode
in exchange Sniper feels absolutely horrendous to use
crisp gyro
the only issue i had with it was the delay and all i wanted them to revert
deft kiln
solo boss kill should be a lot easier now
I wish we could make yellow syringe work for sniper
vocal geode
even with that the reload is just so long
deft kiln
imagine instant killing mom
deft kiln
^insane
crisp gyro
pablo one shot sniper when
balmy robin
Just give Immortal a massive tumor.
balmy robin
Honestly that would be much funnier. A very small tumor that shifts position constantly.
livid heath
Shooting it causes pablo the deflate like a baloon flying out until out of air
balmy robin
Just leave that idea somewhere for modders
(and wish them the best of luck with implementation)
livid heath
Just leave that idea somewhere for modders
Modders response to that:
half hornet
the only issue i had with it was the delay and all i wanted them to revert
I still wish they would provide basic polish and properly align reload animatian and sounds
It feels off
The sound is either delayed or... I dont know.
crisp gyro
The sound is either delayed or... I dont know.
yeah i know what u mean but i tend to ignore it for my sanity's sake
astral ferry
i can't wait for 10cc to fix the view model for revolver !
outer scaffold
i can't wait for 10cc to fix the view model for revolver !
Would they ever fix that?
vocal geode
i can't wait for 10cc to fix the view model for revolver !
why did they, anyway?
it was completely fine before
kind swan
Likely whoever it was that changed the reload initially
And they likely didn't realize the view model looked different.
And it's absolutely disgusting.
Any avid revolver user irl would not hold their hand that high up on a revolver close to the Hammer
late nebula
When it’s in the relaxed state, it looks so fucked up 😭
late nebula
Gtfo devs didn’t use a reference when they added new animation 💀
kind swan
When it’s in the relaxed state, it looks so fucked up 😭
I'm going to laugh. If this was adjusted using the Mechanical hand torso
deft kiln
Guys how bad could it be
cosmic quail
Terrible
cosmic quail
Gtfo devs didn’t use a reference when they added new animation 💀
Hmmm
tough badger
I knew GTFO players would be jumping on helldivers
may democracy be with you 🫡
west crow
What we're trying to do is something where, It's like very scenario... depends on the scenario. We're not trying to make like a, like | There's always this. | It depends on the situation, but they also means it gives us some freedom to say, we were trying to implement this and we fucked up. So we can sort of exclude that for awhile and put it on the back burner. And then we can move into this other space. So its all about trying to give us a bit more freedom to fuck up basically, because we fuck up a lot. We need to be able to fuck up and still be able to deliver on stuff.
vocal geode
What we're trying to do is something where, It's like very scenario... depends o...
wtf are you on about?
crisp gyro
💀💀💀
vocal geode
are you Jimmy Payday?
I heard so much about you from John GTFO
mostly negative things, though
nocturne flax
What we're trying to do is something where, It's like very scenario... depends o...
"and we do fucked up a lot" -WOLF
atomic escarp
@narrow gulch S replacement fair enough i just wanted to do something different, i dont think hel rifle belongs alongside hel gun because it isn’t quite as universally useful as hel gun, sniper into bosses deserves higher but all around i think the placement is fine, bc, autopistol and pr sure but i choke is not good. I think dmr and carbine are absolutely top tier picks.
narrow gulch
yeah chokes kinda
guh
it feels like it should be good but its just not unfortunately
the main reason I think dmr carbine just dont deserve to be in the top tier is
compared to hel revo and hel shotgun, they just dont compare
like its just not even close
im starting to think ppl just suck with hel rifle and then rub off hel gun bias on everyone despite them performing pretty much the same if you play well, while each being better at different targets (though the gap between targets has been reduced a bit on hel guns end cuz of the recent ammo buff)
ammo buff is still really funny
atomic escarp
problem with choke is its competing with hc for the single target 30 damage breakpoint special and it loses out in almost every way. I feel hel gun is generally good for everything and hel rifle is better or worse than it depending on what enemy ur facing.
also you will rarely make use of the extra pens over hel gun
narrow gulch
never*
atomic escarp
aha
narrow gulch
the extra pen is never considered seriously
atomic escarp
idk some tiles, typically reactor tiles sometimes maybe but thats it
narrow gulch
nah, the most you get out of it is avoiding pen bug
atomic escarp
lol
narrow gulch
4 pens are really rare already
atomic escarp
hel gun gets more small kills per mag than rifle if u aim good
hel rifle obv better for chargers
narrow gulch
hel guns is much better for all the fodder pretty much
atomic escarp
yeah
atomic escarp
me and tru discovered that the hard way on our r6d1 duo attempt
narrow gulch
shadows youre not hitting head anyways, dont give me that argument
shooters you are probably sacrificing pen to get a headshot
atomic escarp
wasnt gonna make that argument
narrow gulch
and then that leaves all the harder enemy types
in which hel rifle is better
now, fodder IS most of the game
but personally I kinda dont care about that
atomic escarp
does hel rifle one shot nightmares? surely on tumor
atomic escarp
gotcha
atomic escarp
ic
narrow gulch
the gap on giants and chargers is kinda closed a bit by the ammo buff but charger one shot is too nice
now dont get me wrong, I do believe hel gun is better still (especially now)
but they are definitely same tier imo
narrow gulch
I think you can take hel rifle on pretty much every level and you will still outperform most weapons if you play as well as you would with hel gun
I dont get why ppl just
dont want to
late nebula
I like to hel rifle my teammates 🤑
olive shoal
putting choke and pr on the same tier as AR is just painful to see
narrow gulch
true
atomic escarp
@narrow gulch about dmr, I think it competes with hel revo in some situations. Reactor holds, large open tiles, solo or even duo play (fuck shooters), you can reliably get 6 kills per mag at basically any range with on point aim
narrow gulch
tbh slug also doesnt deserve to be a throw pick but its not worth discussing cuz its mf slug lmao
narrow gulch
<@417401501774774272> about dmr, I think it competes with hel revo in some situa...
yeah but so does hel revo
shooters is literally the only thing I can give dmr over it
we can also just briefly mention how many ppl absolutely despise dmrs scope
atomic escarp
dmr beats little everything at killing shooters
atomic escarp
we can also just briefly mention how many ppl absolutely despise dmrs scope
thats very true but im mainly considering the stats
narrow gulch
the extra mag is nice but hel revo reload just kinda invalidates it
atomic escarp
with high res scope tho i think its far less offensive
narrow gulch
there is also the problem of having a scope period at close range
atomic escarp
there is also the problem of having a scope period at close range
i use accurate crosshair now but iirc default unscoped dmr circle is rly shit so being "forced" to use the scope at close range is ass
narrow gulch
see heres the thing
that just doesnt matter
the point is you dont have to deal with that on hel revo
period
atomic escarp
yeah
narrow gulch
like, fucked close range you dont have to deal with that + hel revo pen will just save you for free
deft kiln
Shooter answer is good tho
narrow gulch
it is but when is the last time you started an alarm and went "kill the shooters first"
there is always a worse enemy on the way which id rather be prepared for than the shooters
atomic escarp
i will admit the high placement of dmr also comes from personal bias
deft kiln
We should tier lists tier lists for gtfo
atomic escarp
i do think that all things considered hel revo is definitely the best primary still
narrow gulch
(also im very glad you are arguing over dmr and not carbine)
atomic escarp
ahaha
narrow gulch
actually so based
atomic escarp
mmmm i do think carbine is good but i dont realllyyy enjoy using it that much
also is ar actually that bad i havent used it since r7 came out
velvet linden
yes it sucks ass
atomic escarp
would be nice if it got buffed in the next patch aha oh wait
i dont understand some of the balance changes at all why did hel gun need more ammo, why was slug, short rifle and AR untouched
narrow gulch
just chalk it up to more pick rate prolly
atomic escarp
no way hel gun pickrate was low
atomic escarp
narrow gulch
nah they take neither till the carry says theres chargers on the level
atomic escarp
pickate is one of the worst ways to decide what needs to be buffed/nerfed
crisp gyro
Balance on pick rates alone is big smart
silent kettle
Its so funny when people who have amounted to nothing in this game complain about gun balance all day like their life depends on it
atomic escarp
very awesome and cool thanks jewelrycountry
earnest minnow
thanks for the input jewelrycountry 👍
olive shoal
surely it gets boring at some point right
discussing the same guns over and over
knowing nothing will change
atomic escarp
i was an optimist at one point
earnest minnow
Its like talking shit about that one person you dont like
Nothings gonna change, but its fun
atomic escarp
den of wolves will deliver us from boredom
silent kettle
I hope den of wolves allows u guys to develop a personality
hearty vessel
Buff scatter
earnest minnow
hope u find something better to do soon
Nothing else to do :(
hearty vessel
read manga
earnest minnow
I hope den of wolves allows u guys to develop a personality
I hope it gives you something else to yap about
silent kettle
is that ur attempt at flame
from the looks of it u sit here and chat here every day
earnest minnow
Crazy
deft kiln
I hope den of wolves allows u guys to develop a personality
Still gonna be complaining about scatter in den of wolves ngl
narrow gulch
den of wolves will deliver us from boredom
is disappointment really better than boredom
earnest minnow
is disappointment really better than boredom
More stuff to complain about
meager sapphire
Like it does so much fucking damage I just don't get why
And they lowered the falloff range now
meager sapphire
Its like 10/10 time you take it on every mission
deft kiln
Else it would be obsolete
meager sapphire
Ike I just don't get it
Not to mention when I jump around and hold left click with it it makes dank sounds
deft kiln
Ike I just don't get it
How do you feel about sniper change actually tho. Is sub 35 coming soon with it
meager sapphire
Dude who cares about sniper dude
olive shoal
machinepops
meager sapphire
The machine pistol is so strong
olive shoal
i checked the stats
meager sapphire
Name another gun kills 3-4 sleepers PER MAG
deft kiln
Mp is very good fun
olive shoal
machinepistol boss damage is insane
meager sapphire
With a sweet ass reload speed
deft kiln
Very worth using
meager sapphire
Not to mention it has the word MACHINE in it (pronounces MA CHEEEN)
There's a reason machine gun and machine gun are the best special guns
narrow gulch
machinepistol boss damage is insane
it got an extra 2 damage on tumor pops as host, you are obligated to take it now
silent kettle
Peter have you seen the hel gun AMMO BUFF
olive shoal
this ammo buff really changed the meta i think
having a gun like hel gun have MORE AMMO
meager sapphire
anyways the game is in a really sorry state right now
deft kiln
this ammo buff really changed the meta i think
Shoot the entire game up
meager sapphire
I was really hoping for some nerfs to the MACHINE series of weaponry with the final update
silent kettle
I SOLO A TIER LEVELS BUT I THINK THE GUN BALANCE MAKES NO SENSE
olive shoal
peter what are your thoughts on the repeated buffs towards the low rpm machine gun?
was it maybe too much?
meager sapphire
Like really feel the best loadout is honestey
4 machine pistol 2 machine gun and 2 machine gun
Like maybe you throw in a dmr or PDW some games?
For shooter control and shadow giant kills
meager sapphire
Honestly a huge problem right now is tools
I mean do we REALLY need a bio?
There aren't any shadows on this mission
And we can just take PDW or precision rifle
earnest minnow
I mean do we REALLY need a bio?
Very useful
meager sapphire
I'm thinking we do a strict overhaul
earnest minnow
For alarms mostly
earnest minnow
Yeah can we get a mega buff on the burst sentry please
meager sapphire
Like for tools I thought we could add one where if I point it at a terminal it sucks out the logs and saves it on the main menu screen to read at your leisure
silent kettle
LOL
meager sapphire
Or maybe one that counts how many bullets you shoot vs hit so I can stop having to manually write them all on my spreadsheet
deft kiln
Like for tools I thought we could add one where if I point it at a terminal it s...
Functionality should be added to the hacker tool
meager sapphire
Right now I use a Talley system I'm fairly sure like 65%~ accurate
Whcih is a passing grade but i would definitely think a tool would save me some time on my runs
Well tbh it's hard to remember what my last run was
I spend most of my time hear talking about gun balance
But I don't remember when I last opened the game was