both are useless variant
on one hand you have shitty mag size
On the other you have shitty recoil
#gtfo-related-questions
neon gust
scenic viper
that's just like
neon gust
theyre fun dont get me wrong but you might aswell get the regular smg/ar slap a booster on it and call it a day
scenic viper
your opinion dude
neon gust
tap firing it was fun
viscid wolf
it also sounded pretty nice
scenic viper
like, if the extra ammo efficiency is worthless, when its tied with the pistol's, the pistol should be garbage too
but poeple use it
its viable
🤷♂️ and it has statistical benefits
craggy pier
HAR recoil felt heavy, not the gunfire sound though
Legit sounded like a pea shooter
scenic viper
dragon, if you have any legitimate arguments as to why the ammo efficiency isn't a benefit
i'd love to hear them
otherwise you can just keep reacting with clown emojis and i'll ignore you i guess
craggy pier
but it could also have sounded like the hel revolver
Better yet, better gunfire sfx
neon gust
practical use in game heavy smg/ar drops you can name all the numbers you want
scenic viper
you got any proof for that statement
or any like
anything, really, other than the claim that "its not as good in real gameplay" without an argument as to why
scenic viper
why?
craggy pier
dragon, if you have any legitimate arguments as to why the ammo efficiency isn't...
If you're min-maxing as much as you can sure, go ahead
neon gust
on heavy ar the recoil its bad specially when you ads, heavy smg you literally cannot shoot more than 3 seconds
scenic viper
like, "recoil is hard to control" is a fair argument if that's what you're saying
but i haven't really heard you say that
craggy pier
I still dislike most of the full auto and burst guns in the game : ^ )
neon gust
you will get hit a lot on deeper levels because of that reload on hsmg
scenic viper
reload is too long is also fair
thats my main issue with the hsmg
and why i don't use it
neon gust
not long
you reload a lot
the reload on heavy smg its the biggest downsize for some small stat boost
ar its just better at that
25 bullets its not enough
might as well bring machinepistol
rather than heavy smg
craggy pier
Would be enough if it had more damage but more fall off : ^ )
neon gust
you can deal with babies better and be overall more useful to the team
craggy pier
Compared to guns other than the smg of course
neon gust
heavy smg its just inferior
regular smg with boosters its a lot better
even without it ricardo
regular smg has 40 compare to the 25 on hsmg
you can do a loit more with those extra bullets
and it reloads faster too
craggy pier
Dmr
neon gust
all those things you mention its just perfect numbers from a datamined sheet
craggy pier
Is a pea shooter at ranges more than 5 meters : ^ )
scenic viper
all those things you mention its just perfect numbers from a datamined sheet
supposedly in game tested, not datamined
i suspect that the real issue that makes the magazine feel so small is that actually landing exactly 3 headshots and 3 bodyshots with the hsmg, with its horizontal recoil, isn't necessarily reliable, and if you don't get exactly that its just straight up worse than the AR and you put more bullets down range for less killing and a smaller mag
scenic viper
i feel like you're misunderstanding my statement
scenic viper
after testing and trying to achieve the performance that the numbers could hypothetically support, i run into the magazine size constraint you mention a lot
and that matches my past experience with the gun
if the gun was more accurate with less bloom and recoil, i wonder if it'd work better in living up to those numbers
neon gust
I feel heavy variants of guns are just useless, they offer nothing different from the regular counterpart
They kinda took the same apporach to it to both of them so i dont know what the're vision of the gun its suppose to be
they just cut the mag added some slight damage improvement and gave it some cool sights
neon gust
I rather have them release guns like saw off that actually change how we play and bring more variety to the table
scenic viper
i like the sawed off
i think the ability to run around between shots, the burst damage aspect, is something that doesn't necessarily get mentioned a lot
neon gust
primary shotgun open so many playstyles its just so much fun
craggy pier
SO would be better if it had reload cancel
I.E mag refills after you put the shells in
neon gust
ive been asking that since R2 
craggy pier
Not after you pull the front part up
neon gust
SO would be better if it had reload cancel
just position your self better and you can mitigate that
scenic viper
like a breachfire type situation?
neon gust
reload should be faster tho i feel
scenic viper
a lot of games have that for shotguns
wouldn't make sense for the mag loaded ones but it could for the sawed off
a lot of guns have the requirement that you basically sit there and commit to shooting to kill/stagger. You're a lot more mobile when the damage required to kill happens in an extremely brief moment, like with the sawed off, and i find positioning and dodging to be way easier with it than most other primaries
its funny, i walked in expecting to hate the gun. In most games i play, sawed off shotguns suck horribly.
neon gust
If they want to buff it
gives us the ability to shoot all 3 bullets at the same time
like doom
scenic viper
that'd be interesting
neon gust
Its not gonna be that broken really
you can oneshot a giant from the back
and then have to reload
it would be nice for cqc environments like datacenter
scenic viper
i mean, the ROF is already pretty alright
neon gust
ye but doom :[
scenic viper
it'd be fun, but in terms of giant obliterating ability
it can kind of already erase them in less than a second
neon gust
of course if you have a sniper its piss easy
scenic viper
frankly i think the reason i love the gun so much is that with how fast the enemies are now, i feel like i run into a lot of situations where enemies end up in the sawed off's range
in a lot of games a gun with that kind of range would be garbage
but in this one its like
you end up in one shot range really frequently
and a lot of guns are harder to use at that distance, esp primaries
neon gust
usually they balance shotguns for theyre multiplayer counterpart
so usually theyre either super awesome or just crap
scenic viper
i remember loving the long range on the shotguns in payday 2, which was another game that benefitted from not having to make their balance around pvp
i feel like the pump could perhaps use more range to help it in scenarios where the combat shotgun isn't viable, to help differentiate it more. that's my only real annoyance with the shotguns right now, that in most of the ranges i'd like to have the pump, i'd rather have the combat shotgun
neon gust
I think shotguns are in a good spot, i would make the pump have tighter spread to pull charger oneshots more reliable
||shotguns in r3 where goated as fuck||
scenic viper
how do you feel about the pump vs combat shotgun
neon gust
combat its fine as it is
scenic viper
i think the combat shotgun is fine too
neon gust
its good has a lot of ammo, and you cannot go wrong with in any map....... well maybe floodways but even then theyre always nice
pump could use slightly more ammo and a tighther spread for more reliable one pumps on chargers, since now you kinda have to be right infront to pull one off
a little more safety wouldnt hurt the gun
its already pretty strong at everything, from small to giants
scenic viper
i tend to find that when fighting groups i struggle to clear them with it, which is obviously the combat shotgun's niche so of course it gets out performed there
but most of my gameplay has been stuck in the A and early B tiers so the enemies i fight tend to be of a certain type
neon gust
if its you vs the horde then yes, but if you have a teammate by your side dealing with waves its pump specialty, 8 guarantee striker kill gives so much breathing room
you are basically clean up crew when you have pump
scenic viper
true. if by consistency you mean "each shot is almost certain to give you a kill" i'd have to agree with you there
i never pull out the shotgun and wonder "if i mess up and start missing shots am i gonna get screwed here"
and it can take out enemies attacking team mates from a further distance without clipping those teammates pretty reliably
neon gust
||also it can kill a miniboss pretty well||
scenic viper
is the combat shotgun rundown specific
neon gust
ye apparently
neon gust
we dont know
scenic viper
if it doesn't stick around, i hope we get a nice horde clearing close range replacement
neon gust
we might get the other machinegun back
we dont really have any other weapons to bring back
the other weapons we have was basically either broken or.. well broken
neon gust
burst canon (special)
rifle (primary)
bullpup ||pls bring it back i miss it so much|| (primary)
hel revo (primary)
autopistol (primary)
heavy ar (primary)
and the r2 machinegun (special)
carabine (primary)
scenic viper
i hear the bullpup was busted
neon gust
it wasnt
people actually hate it
it was basically long range smg
laser beam and a long ass reload
you could eat the babies while mom its birthing while your teammates mag dump on her
it enforce a playstyle that people didnt like ( wich its keeping your distance) in a time where shotguns where meta and everything was an in your face
scenic viper
huh
scenic viper
seems like meta right now is hel rifle / hel gun popularity in the special slot
neon gust
It is
but theres a lot of gun variety because everything its in a really strong place
its funny because back in r3 everybody hated helgun/rifle
scenic viper
i guess its worth noting that i still see poeple running shotguns and the sniper rifle andmachine guns and all that in e and d tiers
viscid wolf
Mmhm
scenic viper
is it just me or does the sniper sentry kind of
suck
midnight gazelle
Sniper sentry op
midnight gazelle
is it just me or does the sniper sentry kind of
suck
How many do you use
If only one, then yeah it's pretty shit
2 sniper sentries is when it actually gets good
weary mesa
it's mostly placement rather than quantity imo
Like how burst is good given good placement like every other sentry
midnight gazelle
imo burst isnt the greatest, just get an auto at that point
stark spade
sentry placement is the key factor in what makes a sentry good
lusty bramble
Regardless of how you place your burst sentry, the sniper sentry will perform better using less tool
lusty bramble
I've never had its targeting speed be an issue
weary mesa
Like I've never had a problem with burst sentry being an issue
I don't put it down where it won't work
lusty bramble
I suppose you could place a burst sentry to where it's not facing anything to circumvent how fast it burns tool
Though its accuracy is still bleh so you'd be left in a weird spot
vital sierra
damage vs kill
finite plinth
just stack 3 sentry cpu speed on sniper sen
vital sierra
which will be better
finite plinth
4head
lusty bramble
It's more of damage and kill vs the burst sentry
dull bluff
dunno what the best place is to ask, but i'll try here, i just got the game so whats the best way to start up with playing? and is solo a viable option or way too difficult to bother?
lusty bramble
The best place to start is either with friends or using the lfg beginners channel
chrome sage
Is amount of enemies always same and they just placed randomly or even amount of enemies random?
distant ice
We've had some examples where the spawn location was set as well
fleet vessel
But like the location they spawn in is random
To add onto this (or make it more easily understandable imo):
Sometimes you'll have 2-3 of a set enemy spawning within 5-6 rooms. Which room(s) they spawn in, and whether they spawn in the same or different rooms is RNG, but you'll always have 2-3 - never 4, or 1.
exotic lantern
?? you can have up to 14 or more spawning in rooms. Spawn patterns depend on room size etc and how the game decides to put enemies in rooms
fleet vessel
2-3 of a set enemy
such as 2-3 ||scouts|| or 2-3 ||chargers||
not always in the same rooms but always a certain amount in a certain set of rooms
tacit zealot
Do cocoons respawn scouts? In my experience in A3 they don't but apparently in D2 they do
fleet vessel
afaik not in any of the earlier levels. If that happens in some of the later levels I am not yet aware - you should probably ask that in #gtfo-spoiler-chat
placid obsidian
Guys -> When you guys finish the last run, what do you after you did it waiting for other rundowns in 6 months?
placid obsidian
just asking 😉
vital sierra
you can also help other to beat level
i hope it only happen once
since they have to make new rundown
and train new employees
placid obsidian
actually i did not finish A1 yet. I start today with my first attempt and I have no clue how long it will take to finish all runs with 2 people 😄
But I just think about when we are done what we still can do. (except playing other games ofc.)
Am I right that the rundowns are in a 6 moths rythm?
vital sierra
no?
placid obsidian
i just read it somewhere or i heard it in a video
distant ice
They're stuck developing features
<@&408548765599793173> hello spam
Anyway
Normal pacing would be at least twice as fast as this imo
And they have said that this is slower than normal, just didn't say by how much
When you finish the rundown you get rid of that "gotta clear this" feeling and can go fuck around with meme builds strategies or whatever you want for example
There's no real incentive to keep playing, at least until progression comes
distant ice
Do cocoons respawn scouts? In my experience in A3 they don't but apparently in D...
In some levels yes
tacit zealot
Is there a definite answer?
distant ice
not always in the same rooms but always a certain amount in a certain set of roo...
What i noticed is that certain groups of enemies exist, for example 2 big strikers in a room is very common and noticeable
Sets of rooms - it's just based on zones
distant ice
Is there a definite answer?
Wdym
They can respawn scouts but it depends on the level
Devs probably made it on purpose so scouts don't respawn on easier levels
fleet vessel
What i noticed is that certain groups of enemies exist, for example 2 big strike...
yee, giants really like sets of 2
tacit zealot
What specific levels tho
Like its guaranteed that on A-B levels scouts wont respawn but C-E they will?
distant ice
I don't know a list of them
And no it's not guaranteed
It's just per level balance
tacit zealot
Does anyone know for sure then on what conditions scouts will resapwn as an interaction with the cocoon?
distant ice
There are no hints
lilac fulcrum
What storm said is the most accurate and truthful
distant ice
Or at least none I've noticed
tacit zealot
👍
distant ice
What storm said is the most accurate and truthful
There were like 3 topics here so 
lilac fulcrum
They can respawn scouts but it depends on the level
This
noble pike
so i haven't played since rundown 4. There was an issue where if i plugged in and switched to a headphone while the game is open, it wouldn't be able to use that headphone's mic. Is that still an issue?
lilac fulcrum
Interesting, I've not heard of that issue. We'll take a look.
topaz anvil
I never had that issue but I had an issue where if I switched headphones the audio would come out of my laptop instead. The mic still worked
faint sapphire
where would one enter the clipboard info for a session to join off a "LFG" post?
obvs new AF
topaz anvil
If you copy the code, a red button should appear underneath the white buttons on the rundown page
You can see an example in #how-to-matchmake
faint sapphire
so as long as something is copied that "lobby ID" option will appear regardless of being in a lobby or not , or do i need to be in an expedition lobby solo already?
topaz anvil
As long as it is copied i believe
faint sapphire
and okay ill checkt hat link, thanks very much mate
topaz anvil
You can ask the people you are joining if you join a vc too
faint sapphire
yeah i dont wanna go in a total pleb and mega needy off the bat hahaha trying to garner some experience before hand. thanks again
topaz anvil
Npnp
outer depot
hey so i played a bit for the first time last night and i was having a serious issue with seeing.. is that intended? haha i know it's probably a stupid question but especially around the sleeping mobs are you really only supposed to navigate by sound with them or have a bioscanner to even see anything?
clever gyro
You did use your flashlight right
outer depot
yea but everyone in my lobby told me to keep it off all the time unless the mobs were alerted is that true?
clever gyro
You can flash them briefly
If you flash them they'll start to glow
If you flash em while they're glowing they'll start to pulse
But they won't trigger just yet
outer depot
ok cool that helps a lot ill try again tonight
topaz anvil
you can shine more or less anywhere with caution
earnest pulsar
hey so i played a bit for the first time last night and i was having a serious i...
they don't alert if you just shine their toes so you can keep your light on but just look at the floor at about 60 degrees
pearl compass
anyone know any good levels to practice with shadows/shadow kiting?
lime elk
C2 high if you want to kite a lot of them
midnight gazelle
C2 high is probably the most accessible
D1 ||You don't see shadows until reactor or in extreme||
D2 ||There are shadows but its a mix of normal and shadows and there isnt many||
viscid wolf
well
there's not much to shadow kiting
there're just strikers but are slow
and look cool
steep nexus
Not sure if I can post here a Booster related question. Just to confirm the meaning of SR for "SR Sentry Damage" is it Sniper? Or something else?
neon gust
short range sentry damage
plush oar
I'm stuck at missions B with my friends, what are the keys to improve in gtfo ? Die and retry ?
viscid wolf
honestly that's the only way
gtfo is just about understanding what each level is about and what to expect
so just inch forward bit by bit
topaz anvil
Or get lucky
viscid wolf
professor scaler has level guides if you want to search him up
pearl compass
Tips for C1 Extreme? I have been stuck for ages. Feels like nothing I do can get past all of the places where the level can go to shit.
viscid wolf
skip to the next level
that level is pain incarnated
but if I had to give advice, just make sure your team knows how to kite so the shadow wave is doable
and after that don't clear any rooms just sprint back to spawn ignoring the hub rooms
and have two people ready to kite the first, second and another second respawned hub room if something goes wrong
as long as you keep in mind that the hybrids exist you can round the 30 giants, big shooters and hybrids all the way to extreme and back
not that it's consistent use that as your final resort
safe swift
do all levels with differing threat levels have bulkheads? I can't find the overload bulkhead in A2
stark spade
do all levels with differing threat levels have bulkheads? I can't find the over...
yes, extreme and overload have their own bulkhead. the bulkhead for overload in A2 is on the rights side of the bridge area.
safe swift
as a side note, what is "prisoner efficiency"? the badge for it appears right next to overload
viscid wolf
prisoners efficiency is when you run High, Extreme and Overload in the sane run
safe swift
oh, ok thx!
viscid wolf
basically its the completion badge for completing the level on the hardest difficulty
scenic viper
how mandatory is kiting in the lower levels
neon gust
its never mandatory
scenic viper
really?
stark spade
you can play through every level without kiting
scenic viper
how much harder is it
neon gust
kiting was never mandatory
vital sierra
it's not harder
it's longer
the moment you start running from the wave
the longer the run will be
viscid wolf
well
running from the wave also could save your life
cough cough E1 ending
which monster designed that scan
vital sierra
i don't think so
viscid wolf
I mean
vital sierra
you can do it without kiting
vital sierra
if your team don't panic
viscid wolf
like a last ditch effort I mean
vital sierra
we didn't do any kite
viscid wolf
yeah I was watching replays and most people did it properly
viscid wolf
yeah same with us
unfortunately our door close to us || got broken by the giant err alarm|| so we didn't have time
and rng scan spots
vital sierra
we open every single door
vital sierra
just plan ahead
even with that
we turn off our brain when fighting big boi
"don't worry about it"
"it's just giant"
die
viscid wolf
honestly
vital sierra
we already plan out the rest
viscid wolf
it's terrifying when you're kiting and accidentally walk into a giant
vital sierra
but die because we being stupid at the worst moment
vital sierra
it's terrifying when you're kiting and accidentally walk into a giant
"just wake up 50 enemies and the giant turn off their brain"
ez
vital sierra
||the shadow zone|| is so brutal on our run
viscid wolf
that one took us like 20 minutes
vital sierra
||the shadow scout|| are just hugging each other and walk on top of ||shadow + giant shadow||
it took us 35 minutes to plan
viscid wolf
I KNOW
vital sierra
and they alert anyway
viscid wolf
we planned on alerting the room and pulling it
vital sierra
||6 scouts alerted btw||
viscid wolf
how did you survive
viscid wolf
so much for that sentence
what goes after ||the keycard #2 I don't remember||
is it the ||third err alarm?||
viscid wolf
:)
steep nexus
short range sentry damage
Ooooohhhh. Thank you for the clarification. Appreciated it.
fathom geode
my friends are trying out A1: Floodway, we r kinda lost cuz we dont know whats going on
where do we find the objective terminal and where can we find the cell for the generator easily?
distant ice
Find any terminal and use it to query and ping stuff
distant ice
If it's not listed then someone must've picked it up already
fathom geode
we're very sure none of us picked it up
and all the rest we tried inquiring are in zones above 100+
neon gust
If someone pick it uo look a for a green diamond somewhere and walk up to it
rain thunder
Have they fixed toggle sprint yet?
distant ice
nope
keen solar
Nope
It’s gonna fucked up so many things lol
Oh and it’s the same guy lol
The same guy that has been asking the same question every new update is out lol
shrewd dirge
They should fix toggle crouch
neon gust
They should fix show fps
indigo quiver
They should fix show fps
There is a frame counter in the bottom right. Above the early access text
indigo quiver
do scouts extend their noodles further if you shine a flashlight at it? I.E if you triggered it to extend the noodle, then kept shining your light will the noodle "reach" further? Example. a noodle extends 5 meters on its own, would a flashlight make it extend to... 6 meters?
steel valley
nope
craggy pier
It'll extend its feelers again if you keep shining your light at it
rare roost
What's the gun meta currently?
craggy pier
Dmr
rare roost
and the secondary?
craggy pier
Sniper
rare roost
Thank you ❤️
midnight gazelle
my meta is assault rifle, HEL rifle
nocturne turtle
can someone confirm for me that the sniper does more damage than the hel rifle
my friend is trying to tell me it doesn’t because of the weapon data spreadsheet but I’m pretty sure the data in the spreadsheet is wrong because it says they both do 60
nocturne turtle
how does precision mult work
craggy pier
Its a gun's individual crit multiplier, different from enemy headshot mult
So if a gun has 1 damage and it has x2 precision mult, it'll deal 2, multiply that with a striker's headshot mult, say x3, it'll now deal 6 damage
nocturne turtle
does precision multiplier only apply when you headshot
nocturne turtle
got it thank you
so that’s why it one shot headshots all the big stuff rifht
Like giants and hybrids
craggy pier
The sniper? Yes
nocturne turtle
thanks
rain thunder
The same guy that has been asking the same question every new update is out lol
Because I am hoping its fixed?
Lots of people prefer that control scheme, its not weird to ask.
craggy pier
#patch-notes : ^ )
rain thunder
<#647233748995276820> : ^ )
Yeah I know, they don't always list everything in there
craggy pier
P sure they'd list what settings they changed
rain thunder
Well just in case they didn't I figured I'd ask.
craggy pier
I mean, you could still DM doc to verify since he's one of the devs
rain thunder
Its easy enough for someone to say "no"
craggy pier
Or DM @uneven gulch because they could relay it
: ^ )
They already did say no : ^ )
keen solar
Nuh I just feel like you are a bot. Even the words you used are basically the same for the past few time lmao
And it’s not a bug so you shouldn’t use the word fix anyway
indigo quiver
its not a bug, its a FEATURE
azure patio
Quick question: Does DMR one tap all basic sleepers with a headshot?
viscid wolf
Quick question: Does DMR one tap all basic sleepers with a headshot?
leave them on 0.1 hp
not an exaggeration
keen solar
pistol the best weapon
stark spade
no
indigo quiver
pistol the best weapon
agreed
craggy pier
DMR best melee
eternal flame
Is there a way to deal with the waves of big spiky dudes in B1?
My friends and I just started a couple days ago and we’ve been struggling on this mission. After starting the alarm and moving to find a terminal to ping the HSU, these guys seem to charge at us while being extremely beefy and hitting super hard. Any tips other than hit their backs since I heard that’s their weak point?
keen solar
Same as the little spiky boi that’s why the weak point is the same. But you don’t have a chance to hammer the big one when they are active. HEL rifle is the best one to stagger and deal damage at the same time
It does penetration shot so lining them up, shoot them 4 times then they will die
Head has armor so don’t shoot the head
eternal flame
Ohh, that makes a lot more sense. I think we’ve been aiming at the head too since we didn’t know it was armored. We’ll try the hel rifle out too. Thanks!
keen solar
Or close the doors whenever you go through one area and mine it till you find the terminal and the HSU
HEL weapons are always the meta of the game because of the penetration shot. Basically you can get through all maps with those weapons
Just need to learn how to line up enemies to kill the most enemies with one bullet when things happen
eternal flame
Got it, are mines able to one shot chargers or do we need to set up two on a door?
keen solar
You need two. However, since you are running, you don’t need two on one door for that map
You basically just want to find the HSU as fast as you can then kill everything in the HSU scan
earnest pulsar
@eternal flame if the HSU is in zone 96, go to the door at the very top of the stairs. if it's in zone 98, stay to the left without going through any doors. and the HEL rifle is the best weapon overall, not just for chargers
long ember
how many shots does it take with a HEL rifle to kill a giant striker in the front?
just want to compare ammo efficiency with the sniper
long ember
hmm
stark spade
or one bullet to the head with a sniper 
(sniper is better)
midnight gazelle
Sniper and HEL rifle give same damage when not a crit
long ember
huh did not know taht
midnight gazelle
Sniper has higher headshot crit multiplier
long ember
ahh
midnight gazelle
But HEL has piercing
stark spade
use the sniper if you want to kill big guys or against bosses
long ember
if you can get max head shots on them?
stark spade
2-3 shots with the Hel rifle I think. 1 with the sniper
stark spade
yep
midnight gazelle
Sniper better for big guys, HEL better for piercing large amounts of enemies
Really good for chargers
stark spade
same with the shotgun
long ember
then HEL gun ;-;
midnight gazelle
HEL gun is more ammo efficient than rifle but does less damage
And cant kill scouts from far distances
stark spade
good for killing small guys if your accurate
woeful haven
what's the suggested tool loadout for c3?
long ember
they why not use revolver
stark spade
sniper, auto, bio, mine
woeful haven
yeah
midnight gazelle
Yeah what he said
keen solar
HEL gun is more like a support weapon when the HEL rifle users are in the middle of the charge up time and you help to kill your enemies for them
midnight gazelle
HEL gun is kinda under estimated tbh
HEL gun is really good for staggering giants and hybrids
And really good as a wave clearer
long ember
HEL gun is really good for staggering giants and hybrids
Huh staggering, never though of that
keen solar
It does
minor fractal
HEL gun is more ammo efficient than rifle but does less damage
The main issue is that it's not nearly as good at making use of penetration.
midnight gazelle
Facts
stark spade
it's worth it though if you can get the collates
minor fractal
Best used as a revolver w/ penetration as an option for larger enemies or to clear faster on reactors and such.
12 kills on gun vs. 18 kills on rifle if you always hit two enemies.
shrewd dirge
Hel gun can totally kill scouts from distance, just shoot twice.
languid sparrow
probs a really stupid question but in the lfg chat could I put out a thing for a level and possible ask for perm members for a team? this rundown do be spicy for duo
vital sierra
perm member are really up to the people
languid sparrow
ah okie, just wondering as myself and my duo partner would like at least the same peeps for the rundown and not differ every so often, thank you tho! and love the videos btw
feral hamlet
If I have a good GPU, should I set my CPU culling workload to small or medium?
craggy pier
Yes
feral hamlet
which one would be better?
indigo quiver
whats a good way to kill [REDACTED] ||Charger Scouts|| ive heard in d-1 there can be FIVE of the damn things in the same room. how the hell am I meant to get through that shit?
exotic lantern
1st off there is not 5 in the same room LOL, 2nd off there is like 3 ways to kill them LOL
indigo quiver
thats what ive heard. dunno if its true
exotic lantern
its not
indigo quiver
anyways. what are the 3 ways? have 2 VERY confident players melee it at the same time, something, and something
exotic lantern
you can shoot it in the back with a hel rifle/shotgun, you can cfoam it and have two people hit it with a full charge. You can also have 2 people charge and melee it at the same time
steel valley
you can get up to 4 in a room supposedly in extreme
though that requires horrible rng
indigo quiver
you can shoot it in the back with a hel rifle/shotgun, you can cfoam it and have...
HEl rifle one taps them? I knew the sniper one tapped if you hit the occiput but I didnt know HR did also
steel valley
sniper and hel rifle both have the same bodyshot damage
strange skiff
Chargers don't have Occiput multiplier damages
strange skiff
Just hit the back
steel valley
the bonus precision damage of the sniper is a non-factor
it will die
it's just pointless
indigo quiver
okie
exotic lantern
ive had people snipe it in the back of the head and it lives
steel valley
they don't have damage reduction on the head
exotic lantern
vs if they had hit it in the back they die
steel valley
they just don't take bonus damage to the head
strange skiff
Yes, but just wanted to pointed out that you don't need to aim for the head. Just aim for their back 😉
steel valley
back is based on positioning
indigo quiver
they don't have damage reduction on the head
reduction or multiplier?
steel valley
not on where you shoot
steel valley
reduction or multiplier?
neither
indigo quiver
o
steel valley
all chargers treat the head as an arm or leg
indigo quiver
😄
steel valley
good for stagger but no bonus damage
strange skiff
I know so to be very precise : you need to shot their back, while being positionned on their back.
indigo quiver
can chargers die if they hit you with a charge? ive been bonked by one and then it croaked ,5 seconds after that
steel valley
wdym?
indigo quiver
charger hits me
Charger dies right after
steel valley
small charges attack in bursts of 4 punches, which each do 4 damage
indigo quiver
no, I got hit with the crown
steel valley
oh
spark wolf
backdamage on gunshots for enemies that aren't alerted is unreliable if you're not the host
indigo quiver
then IDk how it died 😄
steel valley
they just instantly transition into melee attacks
spark wolf
as it's possible for that enemy to react to the gunshot before the back damage is calculated
if you want to shoot them, have the host do it
indigo quiver
the biggest of big brain moves: my teammate goes to shoot a scout......with an assault rifle
exotic lantern
the biggest brain move is to shoot a scout with a pistol
strange skiff
If he shoots fast and in the back of the head, it could work ^^
exotic lantern
indigo quiver
this is why I have no hope for Humanity
strange skiff
I think people manage to kill Scout with a Machine Pistol last rundown
spark wolf
also keep in mind that height matters too for back damage
indigo quiver
and why I take a pacifistic attitude towards scouts. scouts are friends. not food
indigo quiver
yes but he shot 3 bullets then stopped when he realize he used his assault rifle
🤣
needless to say, that wasent a very good C-3 run anyways
strange skiff
One scout waves is just 12-15 sleepers, you should be able to take care of a Scout Waves 😉
indigo quiver
speaking of C levels, I need one High, and one Extreme, which level should I knock out
steel valley
c2 extreme is fun
indigo quiver
One scout waves is just 12-15 sleepers, you should be able to take care of a Sco...
oh no, we did, its that fookin class seven Sustain that fucked up
the one leading to 377
indigo quiver
^ this also
strange skiff
C levels are all really different. So it depends on your group.
Sneak = C1
You know how to gun shoot = C2
you know how to bonk = C3
indigo quiver
ok 😄
strange skiff
scout waves now vary tons
Yes, just talking about basic Scout Waves 😉
It's just my pov on those levels, I'm sure people will have different opinion 😉
exotic lantern
even the basic scout wave has a chance at spawning other things LOL
spark wolf
pretty sure "basic" is barely used at this point
indigo quiver
lemme rephrase
Resivour Dogs = C2
stop. hammer time = C3```A1 Hybrids scout waves ?
indigo quiver
hey, at least they vastly reduced the respawn waves... thats got to count for something
spark wolf
there also still isn't a difference between scout types
it still expedition bound
that's all
steel valley
some people still swear that the charger scout on b1 ov spawns chargers lol
strange skiff
If you don't like Respawn, don't go in C1
indigo quiver
no no its not that swal. its just that now its like 4-8 sleepers respawn. start of R5 it was like 15
plus. I know how to Pistol, C1 should be alright...
I hope
strange skiff
Learn to sniper 🙃 Just in case
indigo quiver
oh I know how to sniper 😉
spark wolf
C3 they still put enough ammo to just shoot
strange skiff
I'm guessing a lot of people playing C3 feels like there is not enough ammo ^^
steel valley
what even happens in c3 ext, i did it and immediately forgot what happened there
indigo quiver
^ I feel there is enough if you have ammo efficient weapons
steel valley
you just go through a couple rooms and move a ball, no?
strange skiff
look at the intel
indigo quiver
i was fine, my teammates not so much
steel valley
don't think we fired many shots in extreme
we just hammered all the waves and rooms
indigo quiver
look at the intel <:PirateSimon:621817514388750377>
the what the FUCK? or the we need to rely on our tools
strange skiff
The "Im out on ammo, me too"
indigo quiver
oh yea, I focus more on the red text but I read the white also
I dont understand the The darkness- its moving bit from C-2's' intel though
steel valley
you'll understand once you get through the high bulkhead
strange skiff
You'll see 🙂
indigo quiver
🤔
also am I one of the few people that puts the name of the level in their posts?
IDK why I do but most people use the Letters and not the name
strange skiff
Cause people now letters more than names. "LF3 for Diversion", "LF3 for B4", I know which one is easier for me to remember
indigo quiver
fair nuff
dosent stop me from putting both 😄
I predict when the add collison/fix bunny hopping SO many people are going to get mad. ** and ill ENJOY IT**...
Bhoppers leave a bad taste in my mouth
indigo quiver
its ANNOYING though
ruby wasp
You can still dodge fairly well without jumping
indigo quiver
so if they nerf it I will sit back and LAUGH and maybe listen to power metal
or all 3
ruby wasp
not as good as BH, but still enough to avoid wasting ammos
indigo quiver
oh yea, im just sick of seeing people jumping around like in GMOD
strange skiff
why are you sick of it ?
indigo quiver
now get outta here white name (jk jk)
indigo quiver
why are you sick of it ?
it makes it hard to concentrate with some random idiot jumping in my face constandly
indigo quiver
cant help it. PUGs 7/10 people do it
neon gust
oh yea, im just sick of seeing people jumping around like in GMOD
But your probably comfortable seeimg people ruuning around in circles and hammering right?
spark wolf
bhopping has nothing to do with this shit
you're annoyed that they fuck it up constantly
indigo quiver
you're annoyed that they fuck it up constantly
well, this as well
spark wolf
it can be controlled af
with tons of concentration
those players would still be as retarded without bhopping too
strange skiff
indigo quiver
speaking of woods. ``` do you believe in god?
............................No``` why was he so Hesitent in saying no?
strange skiff
I didn't understand the question when he was first asked. Maybe he took the time to answer it considering that's the "first" time he heard about god
wooden osprey
if you go in a camp and kill 13 ppl with a shotgun in the name of god (i think thats what happend) and your memory gets wiped
indigo quiver
but was it actually? that line makes it seem like maybe SOMETHING remained
indigo quiver
hence bishop freaking out when he heard Hydro-stasis
wooden osprey
but the only person that can tell us that is... duada
as he may know stuff
and trying to seem his not
wooden osprey
hence bishop freaking out when he heard Hydro-stasis
yes also poor bishop
strange skiff
but was it actually? that line makes it seem like maybe SOMETHING remained
Maybe it's hesitation, maybe it's taking time to think about the question. Who knows ?
indigo quiver
what do you think they did here good cover Dauda. its not like noone knows what you did
I mean, in a meta sense we do, not sure bout in game
fleet vessel
those players would still be as retarded without bhopping too
now this is well said.
viscid wolf
how would you apply for bug hunters
exotic lantern
wait for new rundown and look for when they announce it
viscid wolf
ah thanks
covert apex
how would you apply for bug hunters
Ask joe 
shrewd dirge
how is joe.
sly granite
recommended loadout for B4 4man team?
keen solar
Mine, sniper sentry, bio and c-foam?
viscid wolf
cfoam can be dropped for auto or another mine depending on how you feel
it's pretty flexible
sly granite
yeah we've been running it with mine, bio, snipe sen, auto sen
viscid wolf
when going into a level blind it's always good to run cfoam/mine/auto/bio
midnight gazelle
I like 2x sniper, mine, bio
keen solar
Hot
midnight gazelle
:3
sly granite
just cant survive more than 20mins all the time 
keen solar
Unlimited tag
sly granite
my group of friends are used to playing the game slow so b4 is hard to do 
midnight gazelle
B4 speedrun lvl
keen solar
Yeah, not much you can do about it
keen solar
Either learn how to use the terminal and find resources
Or skip the level until you are ready
sly granite
we have 2 people that are proficient with the terminals
midnight gazelle
Modding is not officially supported however there is an unofficial modding server
keen solar
Where all the madness goes to
sly granite
how bout special weapons for B4?
keen solar
Nothin special
midnight gazelle
Hel rifle op
keen solar
HEL rifle
sly granite
we've been running sniper, hel rif, machine gun, combat shotty
keen solar
Just in general in all levels
sly granite
yea i really like the hel rif
midnight gazelle
HEL rifle and sniper is really good for B4
keen solar
Sniper is not so much if you are new to the game 🤡
sly granite
other than not being able to 1shot bigbois its so much better than sniper
midnight gazelle
lol yup
keen solar
All channels btw
sly granite
been the sniper guy for the team since r4 but when hel rifle returned i instantly jumped ship lul
midnight gazelle
Yeah i got it
keen solar
I will say ignore the extension levels and finish the main first
sly granite
we cant do any c-tiers and below successfully 
keen solar
Extensions are genuinely way more challenging
sly granite
to give u some info on my group we took 3hours to get A3 PE 
keen solar
Don’t wanna debate about it
topaz anvil
Just don't get infected 5head
viscid wolf
the -197% infection resist experience™️
keen solar
Just play any levels that have error alarm and practice how to do stuff quick I guess
Or ask everyone in your team to learn how to use the terminal
sly granite
well the other 2 knows the general idea of the terminals
fluid sage
A3PE is a bitch
i thought there was a disinfect station
but yes embrace the infection
fluid sage
we did overload extreme first
assuming you cant do it extreme > overload
or im missing something
sly granite
u can
fluid sage
wat
sly granite
yeh
fluid sage
wtf is this
viscid wolf
you can it's just not intended
keen solar
U can
viscid wolf
well I'm not sure about intended
sly granite
just make your life slightly harder
fluid sage
didn't feel that bad doing overload then extreme
sly granite
yeah cause thats the easier way
ruby wasp
Ofc since you don't have the error alarm from extreme while doing it
Nice one ricardo
😳
sly granite
keen solar
I always did the opposite way. More fun
keen solar
well the other 2 knows the general idea of the terminals
Do you guys know you can list resources by typing LIST RES E_(zone number)
Instead of LIST RESOURCES ZONE_(number) ?
keen solar
That as well
sly granite
me and the other guy that usually does terminals do
keen solar
Or typing LIST Y to list all the “security” item
keen solar
Keys
fluid sage
800iq
sly granite
thankies 
keen solar
The first terminal can find basically everything in the level
And check the zone number then assume all the upcoming zone number s are gonna be in order. And you can just list everything till you cannot find stuff :/
sly granite
is there a list/wiki of all the short names that can be typed
keen solar
If u see fog, just type fog and see if there’s turbine or disinfect station
sly granite
yeah
viscid wolf
or just learn how to use .cmd
sly granite
the only thing i know is ipconfig 
sly granite
keen solar
But other than that, Probably just shoot anything u see in B4
If you get 2 cells for phase 2, you should have 20+ use of ammos lying around 🤡
sly granite
we can barely find the first cell before 10mins is up 😆
keen solar
You can just… ping it 
midnight gazelle
we can barely find the first cell before 10mins is up 😆
You'll get eventually so good that you'll find the first cell before the 1st phase starts
sly granite
i mean yeah i know we can ping it
its the chaos that happens after the ping
we all kinda just go off and start messing stuff up
keen solar
The mine guy can basically solo one zone himself by mining all the doors he closes when he goes deeper and he will not lose a single health
sly granite
im the mine guy
keen solar
Then the rest of the people just need to do their thing in the other zone
Idk, or maybe explore one zone by one zone as a team if you are afraid
sly granite
its not because im afraid more that im just bad when the whole room wakes
i can only kite so much with 20hp
keen solar
There’s actually not many enemies in the room
keen solar
I mean zone
sly granite
and when its big boi waves i just cant do alone
keen solar
Ah because you have the sniper
I mean you can still headshot them
Mining doors behind you, they are basically dead anyway
sly granite
keen solar
Idk what else I could tell you to do except “go faster”
And learning how to solo an area yourself maybe
sly granite
i can solo just not consistently
keen solar
That’s basically what you will be encountering from higher Tier level
sly granite
cause i mess up bhop alot 
keen solar
One person is always going to be separated from the group a lot
So knowing how to do it without panicking is the key I guess
keen solar
Especially when you wake up the entire room. If it’s just a bunch of small sleepers, just bhop and kill them all.
sly granite
the other 2 usually sticks together
the funny thing is whenever i kite a room i woke i get shot more by my friends than getting hit from sleepers
keen solar
Relatable
sly granite
feelsbadman
its been nice chatting i'll take the advice into consideration thanks guyss 
spark wolf
I think a better strategy for people struggling with B4 is to focus a lot more on fighting the waves
Some general guidance:
- phase 1 generally spawns a wave every minute
- phase 2 generally spawns a wave every 2 minutes
- phase 3 generally spawns a wave every 3 minutes
You can completely skip the fog turbine if you guys can keep up and make sure you're ready at the next security door for each phase
there will be some fog pits ahead but you can just simply not walk into them
Try to only loot as many zones as you actually need
And be as efficient with your equipment as possible
midnight gazelle
I usually do both zones on phase 1 and only 1 zone on phase 2
Then whatever we can get on phase 3
spark wolf
If you're not looting anymore, you can find a good spot to hold and apply the 2 room away rule for where waves will be coming from
A lot of B4 is basically static so you could make as many notes as you want to make your future runs easier.
hybrid jasper
What does the burst sentry prioritize in targeting?
Does it account for weak spots or does it just shoot blindly at the nearest target?
stark spade
I think all sentries aim for weakspots
indigo quiver
what zone is the password protected terminal in C-3 in?
neon gust
Does it account for weak spots or does it just shoot blindly at the nearest targ...
sentries shoot the target furthest from them and usually go hs then bs once the head gets destroyed
hybrid jasper
Thanks
hybrid jasper
what zone is the password protected terminal in C-3 in?
It’s in the same zone as the class vii
If you mean the lore one
indigo quiver
It’s in the same zone as the class vii
noone can remember the number tho 😄
hybrid jasper
It’s been years since I beat C3 extreme
indigo quiver
nevermind, its 376
tall sundial
Hey guys, ive been thinking about buying this game but i wonder if its possible to find a group as a beginner? I heard its extremely difficult, it the matchmaking any good?
stark spade
Hey guys, ive been thinking about buying this game but i wonder if its possible ...
if you use the lfg channels like #lfg-beginners, it can be pretty easy to find a team
earnest pulsar
Hey guys, ive been thinking about buying this game but i wonder if its possible ...
or just any group that is doing A tier levels on high as long as it doesn't say artifact hunting or speed running or 'know what to do' or something that implies have multiple hours in the game. and you should totally buy the game, very fun, and the community is pretty good for the most part
or, or, or, or, or, . . .
tall sundial
i guess ill give it a shot then 🙂 thanks for replying
spark wolf
Sentries don't shoot furthest
Wrong conclusion
They target whatever is first in range
Which means if it's aiming down a hallway, looking at their backs as they run past, the dude in front gets targeted and yes usually he will be the furthest from the sentry on shot
But it doesn't necessarily have to be like that
It'll continue to target the same dude until it dies or gets out of range
lapis mauve
Depends on the sentry, sniper sentry currently targets anything with a head first
spark wolf
sure
but everything has a fucking head on a new wave
idk how much you guys tested this shit
but if you did your conclusion should rather be, wow this is so inconsistent that i can't actually provide any proper conclusion
the rules you guys come up with don't seem to be quite right
viscid wolf
do you need 2 cfoam grenades to foam pmothers?
neon gust
It'll continue to target the same dude until it dies or gets out of range
ok grandpa
take your pills
indigo quiver
Who/what are we uploading data to in uplink missions anyways? A offsite server that SSIC has? Or something else…
exotic lantern
Who/what are we uploading data to in uplink missions anyways? A offsite server t...
#gtfo-lore is defo a better place for this, ill give u my thoughts
sharp radish
my friends and i were doing b4 i think and when the gas was rising, the fog turbine became useless as even though we were in the area unaffected by gas we still were getting infected. is this a feature or a bug?
stark spade
a bug
true girder
We just came back to the game and we're doing A1 we got to the override terminal but the door still says that the area is under lockdown what do we do?
keen solar
That is after you finish the first mission objective
true girder
what?
keen solar
read the mission objective
true girder
its telling us to go to the forward exit point in zone_65 because we did the lockdown override
but the door won't open
cause its still under lockdown?
keen solar
did you type the commands in?
true girder
yeah
keen solar
Did you do the scan?
shrewd dirge
interesting
true girder
then whats wrong with the door, did we get a bug
true girder
yeah we went back and did it like 3 times to check
keen solar
Did someone disconnect?
shrewd dirge
smells of wait what
true girder
we can like spam it
yeah at the beginning my friend froze
and we rejoined and it set us back
shrewd dirge
it smells broken.
keen solar
Ah that's probably the reason
true girder
F
shrewd dirge
youll likely have to restart
keen solar
ye
true girder
thts a rip, but thanks for the clarificatioon
keen solar
That's the first time I have heard people got trapped
true girder
F just our luck a good welcome back lmao
craggy pier
Epic host migration moment
spark wolf
@sharp radish i think, since one of the most recent patches, there's issues with fog turbines if someone was holding the turbine while fog settings are changing
haven't tested that theory a whole lot
but it seems to be right for all situations i've ran into so far
knotty mauve
thats been in the game for a while, you were just never in a situation to notice it
until now
knotty mauve
r4e1 if you threw down a fog repeller before you put in the cells
frozen steeple
Is there any good way to farm boosters ?
craggy pier
Plae gaem
midnight gazelle
Is there any good way to farm boosters ?
play the level with the highest artifact heat
empty wadi
Can chargers scream and alert rooms?
stark spade
yes
empty wadi
okay thanks, I thought someone told me they can't myb
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uneven drift
Guys I have 2 questions: 1. I have this issue where I cannot reaload if I am crouching (I have my crouch key on hold, not toggle). 2. Where can I enable a red dot in the middle of the crosshair? I saw some people that have it in some Youtube videos.
steel valley
Guys I have 2 questions: 1. I have this issue where I cannot reaload if I am cro...
first one is probably just keyboard issues - search keyboard ghosting. the second can be triggered by pinging (middle mouse button) during the drop/loading sequence, which causes a glitched x to remain in the center of your crosshair, if that's what you meant.
uneven drift
I think that's it, yeah, thanks @steel valley
pearl compass
Toggle crouch, what yall think?
viscid wolf
I've always played on toggle crouch with past fps's so it just comes naturally to me
hard wasp
i wish we could have split keybinds for toggle and hold
like ctrl for crouch and c for toggle
stark spade
I don't use toggle crouch, but I did before
shrewd dirge
id say, on top of split keybinds;
shift+ a/s/d uncrouches and dashes.
when crouched with toggle.
nova pelican
Is GTFO controller compatible?
woeful kiln
tropic lava
How to fix terminal bug? EG. Nobody can get into it, we need it for an uplink and it doesnt work
stark spade
have someone leave and comeback
tropic lava
have someone leave and comeback
Did that. Worked thanks!
chilly chasm
Would it be possible to join someone’s game even if you don’t have their level unlocked?
exotic lantern
yes
chilly chasm
Cool
karmic swift
why do i take damage when they hit me
fallen bramble
man's asking the real questions
vital sierra
people die when they got killed
violet mural
yo do people die when they get killed?
vital sierra
violet mural
asking for a friend
topaz anvil
Did you think killing alpha was enough to make him die
steel valley
i mean, somedays when he lags hard enough he can survive on 0hp for a solid minute
vital sierra
i'll just become god in my own game
topaz anvil
Just let alpha host
And then the other 3 will get these godlike powers
A +200% boost
viscid wolf
mans sprouting fate logic
fringe sinew
Hey, hey.
Quick question:
How'd security alerts work?
If you open a door with one of them and have left a handful of enemies behind, do they also aggro to that?
covert apex
Hey, hey.
Quick question:
How'd security alerts work?
If you open a door with on...
Yes, they'll typically scream in that same room with the enemies
Better off clearing that room
fringe sinew
Not the same room that I meant, but that's also good to know.
Buds and I were on the first stage - damn me for forgetting the designation - and we snuck past a handful in one zone, went to the next and got an alert there.
Are alerts zone-specific or do they just happen for all areas?
odd cosmos
i just got this game, is there any tutorial?
covert apex
Are alerts zone-specific or do they just happen for all areas?
They occur more frequently in zones 1 room away from where you're standing
fringe sinew
Understood. Thank you so much. 👍
strange skiff
i just got this game, is there any tutorial?
There are guides on Youtube. No ingame tutorial
covert apex
i just got this game, is there any tutorial?
No, but there are a few in depth tutorials on Youtube
Doesn't hurt to check them out
odd cosmos
am i in for a bad ride if I go in blind? or can i learn by doing
covert apex
It's more fun to go in blindly, but if you really get stuck might want to check them out.
odd cosmos
got it, thanks
fringe sinew
Basically blind with my buddies. We did read up on terminals at least. Having a blast.
covert apex
Basically blind with my buddies. We did read up on terminals at least. Having a ...
Getting comfortable with a terminal is a huge thing in this game.