isle-discussion

[rain berry]

What should i do if im stuck

[real orchid]

/unstuck in the game chat

[tiny burrow]

YEAH GALLIMIMUS

[cinder cave]

https://tenor.com/view/beef-netflix-what-you-did-was-not-nice-its-not-nice-to-do-that-not-nice-gif-2476139960073760079

[real orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1083072156398784644/1508517490991562802/ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[rain berry]

thankss

[plain thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/cassowary-kick-attack-gif-27328569

[vapid laurel]

[cinder cave]

IT’S NOT NICE TO DO THAT

[vapid laurel]

Well, if Hypsi stops being L A M E, then I will be nice to it. 🙂

[novel valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102619485334143006/1508559194599719142/The_Isle_-_2026-05-25_20-49-16.mp4?ex=6a15fabb&is=6a14a93b&hm=4b3af2734fc66361b6d31c0df44245b461fe4fe87265ea432058fbf72187fab5&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102619485334143006/1508559196516515950/The_Isle_-_2026-05-25_21-54-26.mp4?ex=6a15fabc&is=6a14a93c&hm=0d91ad5bfad1cf95d8ce9800df64a812fc9683611ff97c22c3ca8dc65da64ca6&
Babe wake up, new allo slop just dropped.
Why does this work as a strategy

[river grotto]

YEA SO trike can one shoot me thats nice from behind if he use the heavy attack nice

[real orchid]

face tank allo...

[cinder cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1366918625524453486/image.png?ex=6a15836c&is=6a1431ec&hm=dd097f0066ced3e3f52ae485acc0069a883f81e5e997adce29d78763caa16b87&

[vapid laurel]

:I

[real orchid]

YOU ARE LAME
sorry that came from heart and soul

[coarse nimbus]

Making scale brushes for procreate is pain

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/j-alexander-antm-americas-next-top-model-clutches-pearls-clutch-neck-gif-21070072

[halcyon dove]

Face pounce dmg got removed on ht I believe

[vapid laurel]

Literally me.

[wraith hound]

poor snail

[indigo cave]

The fact that Allo players genuinely defend this sort of clap is baffling (they were extremely critical of your old maia vs allo post when I reposted it )

[river grotto]

bro what fix trike please

[vapid laurel]

I do not like pin.

[novel valley]

Show em this too, and @ me if you remember, I wanna laugh

[real orchid]

clap

[halcyon dove]

Trike thrash is already fixed on the HT

[indigo cave]

What does this mean?

[light cedar]

"Trust me bro, the balance is perfect and pin/pounce is 200% necessary or he will f#### starve"

• Devs for some reason

[cinder cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1479199305515405404/1479351559908233246/image.png?ex=6a15d9c0&is=6a148840&hm=bd270339d1a3e713796e74086bd8650db7a17498e3abfcac6b7ace7522e555e9&

[novel valley]

Wasnt the interaction between it and ceratopsian shields fixed? It got removed ENTIRELY? 😮

[vapid laurel]

Liter-wait....

[novel valley]

Imagine if allo had ambush speed as well LMAO

[indigo cave]

Don't give them any ideas man...

[real orchid]

you typed clap, it was silly in good way lol

[light cedar]

DELETE THIS, WE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH!

[wheat coral]

So bad maias die to allos?

[cinder cave]

[novel valley]

Give allo wings so it can glide, trust

[halcyon dove]

Im like 70% sure a allo face pounced me and dealt 0 dmg on the HT.

I remember seeing a clip of a adult allo trying to cheese a carno by spamming face pounced and and the carno took 0 dmg

So im pretty sure it’s face pounce dmg has been removed. Easy enough to test, might be wrong.

[arctic sundial]

question, when I entomb a dino does that give any benefits for my future creature or what

[indigo cave]

Oh 😭
Autocorrect moment

[indigo knoll]

People have said that allo doesn't need nerfs and to instead buff everything else. I love creating more balance problems than simply adjusting the new dinosaur.

[novel valley]

[light cedar]

Wings? Do you mean atomic breath?

[real orchid]

[novel valley]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-gif-4475451678989898266

[halcyon dove]

Perhaps them seeing my feedback of allo facetanking my dibble while im landing only headshots worked ;-;

[wheat coral]

What? The maia in those clips was playing terribly

[indigo cave]

I'm not against a buff oriented balance approach but this dev team has neither the time nor the specific skills required (not in a demeaning way) to make such a big change

[arctic sluice]

as a maia, face tanking an allo seems like a really strong choice

[indigo knoll]

Real talk I am moderately disappointed kentro got a powerswing cd nerf before allo got a bite speed nerf on HT 🫠

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/lordoftherings-soitbegins-gif-4545856

[halcyon dove]

Not just kentro. Stego and kentro before allo.

[novel valley]

Now nerf its speed slightly, give it better running agility, nerf its standing turn, reduce its bite speed, buff its bite force and make it so only 50% of allos weight contributes to a grapple. Then it would finally be balanced, trust.

Damn that took way too long to type.

[coarse nimbus]

oh stego did too?

[midnight tundra]

The point is allo shouldnt be able to face tank something twice its weight

[novel valley]

^

[indigo cave]

You see, kentro is a herbi.
Allo is a carnivore.

Can't have carnivores struggling ya silly goose smh my head

[coarse nimbus]

they nerfed the ps for stego in addition of the settings exploit?

[halcyon dove]

Yeah kentro and stego are both animation locked now. Stego is basically a hamburger right now to groups and rex lol

[wheat coral]

Requires the maia to: actually stay and engage the allo in any way, put its head directly where the allo is attacking, used some of its weakest attacks and refused to turn around and actually do its big back kick

[coarse nimbus]

huh

[halcyon dove]

By fixing the bug they indirectly nerfed the crap out of both

[shrewd sky]

Do yall thinks about things too when yall thinks about those things

[novel valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102619485334143006/1473414720911315135/The_Isle_2026.02.17_-_21.21.17.02.mp4?ex=6a1558a4&is=6a140724&hm=a9eaa5ee3497a34c27dea688c49f70ef2401a53d3b460bc52bf94e57694ed9f2&
I got you covered man, dont worry

[indigo cave]

What the... Did they nerf rex severely a cordingly or did they just murder stego for the funsies?

[patent bramble]

and it cant anymore its fixed but even now on main branch its impossible to facetank a maia/dibb if they use the right attacks

[indigo cave]

I'm not against stego nerfs AFTER rex gets nuked with the nerf hammer

[halcyon dove]

One step at a time… hopefully. Stego/kentro are nerfed for now. Now.. probably… HT isn’t over yet!

[real orchid]

they fixed a bug

[coarse nimbus]

ah. so it may need a slight adjust. how slow is the standing ps? like 5 sec apart per swing?

[wheat coral]

There we go, now that is problematic, though still requires the maia to sit there and tank the allo

[patent bramble]

only rex nerf iam aware of is thast the pin now takes more stam i think

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-so-true-bestie-metal-gear-rising-gif-25056362

[indigo knoll]

I also do somewhat like buffing things that struggle in the meta, but the way allo is done is so mind numbingly boring to play against i worry that if everything else was buffed, instead of evening out the ecosystem it would just be total powercrept slop with pvp just being whoever dies first in 5 seconds 😭

[novel valley]

(Allo couldve also just pounced after getting the maia to wounded to stall)

[shrewd sky]

Go eep u gonna be tired tomorrow

[real orchid]

i will be hibernating tomorrow anyways

[wheat coral]

And the maia can run at any point before getting to wounded, there is nothing making it stay and fight allos unless it gets ambushed by 2 or more

[novel valley]

Juvi/sub rex's pin damage was fixed as well, its no longer 350dps in every stage of life.

Tho thats more of a bug fix

[halcyon dove]

Stego is 1 second with standing, running is ~2.5seconds

It’s bordering rex facetanking it.

It’s worse against groups, all it’s TTK’s got massively increased, it’s dps went down, if it gets baited it’s massively punished now, and running powerswing is borderline useless

[indigo cave]

Wdym? You don't enjoy getting pounced and pinned to death? Or DPS'ed down extremely fast with the ludicrous bite speed?

(I'm being sarcastic ofc)

[primal birch]

Austroraptor

[shrewd sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-sleep-gif-6090532

[patent bramble]

they fixed all stego bugs basically all trike bugs while rex stays buggy much faster then the two and generally much stronger even with the steg/trike bugs

[novel valley]

Thats also true, but once the fight starts and the maia starts bleeding it has to commit to it, otherwise the allo(s) can track it down.

[real orchid]

i hope they tackle rex next then and start removing the bugs it has

[shrewd sky]

Can yall imagine how good of a eep that was

[compact edge]

did austro survive in the HT? (is it still there?)

[real orchid]

very

[coarse nimbus]

ok so not too horrendous spacing wise but that dps reduce they did in favor for bleed is def not going to help now that it's slightly delayed hmm

[patent bramble]

oh yea true thats a good change dibb will now cook sub rexes even more xd

[wheat coral]

Sure they can track it down... and not catch it because its significantly faster than them

[indigo knoll]

My fondest memory is of being a prime elder kentro, seeing a singular allo run towards me and immediately die in less than 15 seconds from lmb spam

[indigo cave]

Tbh I always felt like stego frontal running swing shouldn't even be a thing, an animal that large has no bussines shifting it's entire mass and momentum like that

[shrewd sky]

No I ate it

[real orchid]

for now it is, also it is causing crashes because the only server what doesnt have it is eu3 and people havent had crashing there

[compact edge]

stego attack got a bleed buff?

[indigo cave]

Peak gameplay I tell you, absolute cinema even

[halcyon dove]

I mean at minimum stego now takes around 14-17 seconds to kill a rex in a facetank, you know what rex can do in 6 seconds? Leg break a stego lmao

[compact edge]

oh okay

[uncut apex]

Whats the new duck right click do

[void marlin]

Evrima is bad delete it
-# hmmm fish 🐟

[proper onyx]

What’s the topic of convo today chat

[void marlin]

Ian

[novel valley]

Bleeding affects stam regen, and generally maia uses more stamina while fighting than allo does, depending on how hurt it gets, it can be tracked down.

Of course if it runs after 1 bite youre not catching it, but if you get 2-3 claw swipes it will be slowed down significantly.

[real orchid]

been around the place, but seems like bugs (rex and allo bugs) is topic rn

[indigo cave]

Some of us are hating on allo
Others are discussing recent stego nerfs

[wheat coral]

So, once again, the solution is to just not fiight allos

[novel valley]

Allo being a balanced carnivore ^^
#isle-discussion message

[void marlin]

I like Allo (before Evrima)

[novel valley]

Peak uninteractive animal am I right :/

[wheat coral]

Allos bite speed is problematic, i agree, and it has a lot of stuff that can use tweaking, but this is a non isssue for maia at the moment

[patent bramble]

or it will just become another cera and it will keep getting buffed

[coarse nimbus]

yeaaah sounds like it's been knocked down a tier, maybe there will be adjustments in the future but idk, maybe something else is going to take the place of stego perhaps?? how does allo do against the current ht stego im curious. is it a bit more of a threat?

[indigo cave]

You shouldn't have to run from a creature half your weight in a 1v1

[real orchid]

i will just keep playing hypsi so no rex can get food out of me, thanks

[lusty wing]

they let allo facetank everything but kentro gets nerfed to swing once every 3 years

[proper onyx]

Oh people just realizing allo can face tank Maia? I thought this was a known quantity?

[dense swan]

Maia not using its speed and CC at all obv he loses

[lusty wing]

i thought maia was like the one thing it couldnt facetank but i guess not!

[indigo cave]

Me when the literal porcupine can get pounced (genuinely how)

[wheat coral]

Allo isn't half maias weight, and it should be dangerous for both in an engagement

[novel valley]

I mean Im fine with maia not being that much of a threat for allo, but it being able to facetank things almost twice its size also means stuff like dibble, cera, teno, sub rex and etc suffer when they inevitably have to fight allo for one reason or another.

[proper onyx]

Beyond the stamina no one will change my mind on kentros atk speed nerf

[halcyon dove]

3 allos pin you and you’re worse in group fights. Swing at one allo and another will pounce you or claw swipe your head. 4 claw swipes and you’re on deaths door.

Try to finish an allo off? The other 2 pounce you and vanish your attacks. Cus pounce.

[lusty wing]

kentro should be able to hit allos that are pouncing it or allo shouldnt be able to pounce you at all

[patent bramble]

i will be the last dibb standing bc the devs love nerfing the VEEEERY overpowered dibb lol until it becomes unplayable

[indigo knoll]

I really would not mind grapple being a thing if allo didn't have it. Small raptors? Whatever. I really wish some other different ability was considered for it. The claw swipe would've been a great candidate for it's 'signature ability' if it just had a few tweaks.

[proper onyx]

Only things allo can’t face tank are apex’s

[novel valley]

Ive known this for a while, but doing it like this is new, this one is actually decently reliable

[void marlin]

Idea: Allo's pounce should work only on things that are bigger than him

[rocky gulch]

guys there are huge difference between prime and frail austro

[lusty wing]

it just looks stupid because kentro's tail just goes inside of the allo but you cant do anything

[proper onyx]

Fair

[real orchid]

wishing you luck, soldier

[wheat coral]

I will also say, in those videos there is probably a lot of hitbox nonsense going on, with the maias attacks probably hitting the allos body or tail. I do not think it is indicative of how an actual fight would go where the maia is actually moving and swapping stances

[shrewd sky]

Cama

[rocky gulch]

as if prime two times bigger

[void marlin]

Allo

[coarse nimbus]

mmm ok so they've def made stego reliant for herds whether mixed or same species. interesting

[rocky gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1491761920158597130/aor066.gif

[shrewd sky]

Cama

[wheat coral]

Tenos and ceras should not be fighting allos bigger than them

[shrewd sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1491761920158597130/aor066.gif

[indigo cave]

Nothing should be able to pounce a kentro, not even rex should pin it. If a polar bear (largest land carnivore) steps on a porcupine, you bet your ass the bear is unwillingly jumping as high as it's legs can allow it to

[void marlin]

Allo

[lusty wing]

now both the large herbivores just die to rex. yay !

[halcyon dove]

Herds as stego are basically useless, if you swing and you’re not a sweat you’re 100% hitting your teammate lmao

Herds are more dangerous unless you’re in a vc

[void marlin]

This

[proper onyx]

TELL. ME. ABOUT. IT.

[shrewd sky]

What in the rat is this

[patent bramble]

i can take on allos now since facepounce is gone but the main issue still stands ceras since for some reason dibb cant even touch 2 ceras

[void marlin]

JPOG Allo

[lusty wing]

i completely agree but i dont think they would do that because they hate making herbivores good or something so the best i can hope for is what i said (even though thats also not happening probably)

[proper onyx]

2? Bro your average dibble loses a 1v1 to a solid cerato player

Dibbles mobility rn is so cooked it turns like a trike for no reason

[lusty wing]

sorry nothing can counter the king's attack. who cares if rex is shoving its face into a ball of spikes its rex bro ! /j

[proper onyx]

Meanwhile we got Tokyo drift Rex

[novel valley]

As they age past 90% adult allo becomes faster than them, so there will be scenarios where their only option is to fight. In ceras case specifically prime elder cera is actually slower than adult allo, all while the allo can facetank it pretty effortlessly.

Sure in theory you can escape the allo if you see it from far away, but allo trots faster than a cera, ever so slightly, so it will catch up with you eventually.

[proper onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-record-cat-gif-21749933

[patent bramble]

yea i can take 1 cera easily the issue is if he has body buff then it becomes basically impossible for some reason

[proper onyx]

Rex POV

[halcyon dove]

It’s still in HT though. So stegos numbers might change or the things causing problems for stego might change(I damn well doubt it)

Most likely stego/kentro will have to suffer for a while till they get around to it. Theyre basically at trike/dibble bad now

[coarse nimbus]

that is true, death is bound to happen but it's not impossible to work together without communication. reading the fight is always important regardless of vc or not lol

[lusty wing]

you still dont even take damage when you pounce a kentro in defensive stance right? dumbest thing ever i swear you just bounce off

[void marlin]

I think Allo and Rex are a problem because their development was rushed, just saying.

[wheat coral]

Anything thats past 90 percent is going to be more vulnerable than usual

[patent bramble]

lowkey we need good old dibb back that was so peak i miss it sooooooooo much

[wheat moth]

Why is the rex watching a cat spin around on a record?

[halcyon dove]

Enrichment

[lusty wing]

sorry its a ceratopsian so it just dies

[rich mason]

Anybody know austros alt attack damage?

[patent bramble]

Dondi:

[novel valley]

Cera becomes extremely vulnerable to allo while being in its "peak power" state, so uh yeah :/

[proper onyx]

Me and my fiancé demolish ceras 1-1 we have only encountered afew dibbles that forced us to try hard

[wheat moth]

N'aww, that's nice

[lyric hollow]

they took their sweet time
the biggest problem is the community's mentality and refusal to adapt to a new threat
years of having no mid tier carnis and no apex carnis have made everyone feel as if the new norm is oppressive, whereas the reality is that the old norm just gave you immunity

[proper onyx]

I hate you

[halcyon dove]

I just want stuff to not be able to bite through ceratops head or kentros spikes ):

[coarse nimbus]

believe it's broken atm, so not a reliable number currently

[real orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-jurassic-park-jurassic-world-evolution-jurassic-world-evolution-3-dinosaur-gif-9301372295965926808

[agile bramble]

omg i just lost my 80% deino IN HIGHLANDS TO THIS DUMB CRASHING

[wheat coral]

Cera can outstam allo and has bleed resistance along with the ability to nerf allos stamina. Cera also swims significantly faster

[wheat moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1085036425268965406/Dracula-dance.gif

[proper onyx]

HT?

[fair matrix]

my 9 ton entombed stego can get almost insta pinned at 50% health how is this ok

[patent bramble]

yea thats bc 90% of all dibbs have the trike brain THRASH=LOT OF DMG so lets only use thrash xd

[agile bramble]

redwoods lake

[real orchid]

dont play in server what have austro

[proper onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-dinosaurs-movie-walking-with-dinosaurs-patchi-gorgosaurus-pachyrhinosaurus-gif-9860248030932599595

[void marlin]

This is the best ragebait I've ever seen.

[proper onyx]

ON HORDETEST!?

[halcyon dove]

You’ll get used to it.

[wheat moth]

[agile bramble]

YES IT WAS SO FUN AND THEN I CRASHED AND DROWNED PROBABLY!!!

[fair matrix]

ive been used to it still mad though

[halcyon dove]

I feel yeh buddy

[agile bramble]

spent all day growing that deino and now im just dead

[lyric hollow]

?
Its a very legit argument
Calling rex and allo rushed sounds like ragebait to me
They had work to do during their initial hordetests but its been months and they've been balanced since then

[fair matrix]

if only we had more than 2 apexs

[halcyon dove]

At least they didn’t hold rmb and flip you then infinite cc combo lol

[proper onyx]

Thrash is the most useless attack in dibbles arsenal

[novel valley]

There wont always be water that you can cross to lose the allo, the only places that have such water sources are very few and far between. And as I said allo trots ever so slightly faster, so if its tracking you, it sill catch up eventually.

[real orchid]

would have lost it in next server reset anyways i bet, still sad tho

[patent bramble]

i mean cera is fine tbh on main branch the issue is facepounce/pin on HT its the turn speed but i think in general cera has a really good chance against allo since allo is 2x cera size

[fair matrix]

yea could have been worse he'll bleed out if he doesnt have traumatic

[proper onyx]

Oh ya don’t grow apex’s on ht right after a new Dino was added especially in a none apex ht it’s a dangerous idea

[patent bramble]

the ONLY time its usefull is when u knock and u get a headshot other than that yea its useless

[halcyon dove]

Honestly who doesn’t run traum at this point? It’s basically the new gastro

[wheat coral]

Requires the allo to be perfect at tracking and the cera not making any attempt to throw it off with mud or crouching

[indigo cave]

I'm so tired of the herbivore disrespect in most media but in dinosaurs in particular... Irl no """equal""" carnivore would beat a herbivore, they have always had to rely on hunting wounded or ill ones and fold like a wet noodle when actually having to fight capable herbivores. Meanwhile in the isle we have whatever the hell we do 💀

[proper onyx]

Hands down just spam flip and if you get a knock down do flip hit than charge point hit and you’ll get way more value than thrash plus not get animation locked

[fair matrix]

yea nerfed stego like crazy they can just run and sit now

[novel valley]

Ig thats also true, ceras issue is more so how the elder system nerfs its speed so much, so it being barely faster than allo hurts it tenfold.

Like how it could get battered by teno herds in the past, just 10x worse

[coarse nimbus]

i do think spar still has failure with dibble and some spar failure with trike a bit still. allo still has a lot of bugs in live branch (which tbf most seemed to now be fixed in the current HT)

[lyric hollow]

herbis have been dominant and much stronger than carni counterparts for most of the game's history

[lusty wing]

the only herbivore in a good spot is like maia right now everything else is kinda just bad or in an awkward spot like teno and pachy (there is galli but thats an omnivore so i guess it not being a complete herbivore saves it from the curse)

[agile bramble]

well i got it 80% prime in us 1 and then the thing that kills me is the crashes

[patent bramble]

exactly i wanna see thrasdh bot hon dibb/trike take sta nms oppl have less of a reason to spam the shi out of it

[lusty wing]

well they sure arent right now

[wheat coral]

Carnivores prefer to hunt weakened prey because less chance of injury, they are fully capable of hunting healthy prey if necessary. Some predators, like tigers, can even take on large herbivores several times their body weight.

[indigo cave]

Hypsi getting it's tendons mutation and colours gigagutted during the rex update for literally no reason 💀

[proper onyx]

Hands down the down fall of dibble and teno is something to be studied

Went from a 2-1 for teno ratio
And 3-1 for dibble to 1-1 for both dam forget 1-1 .8-1 for teno 😆

[coarse nimbus]

i think there was even some rex on rex spar failure that's been happening too

[patent bramble]

i mean cera meslt a teno rn its not even fair and allo also doesnt haver the biggest chance at winning since 1 cera can win and with bile or body buff its basically over

[real orchid]

and they're still doing it at the risk of either not getting the kill, getting injured or not getting the kill AND being injured so they're just doomed

[lyric hollow]

theres certainly more polish needed but for the most part the direction is set in stone
im not naive; dont mistake my words as acceptance of a buggy state
but credit where credit is due: a lot of work has been done since their release and theyre in a way better spot than they used to be
people will complain because thats what they do; its always easier to do so rather than work on yourself or your situational awareness

[vapid pumice]

we know the exact reason the colors were gutted though lol

[proper onyx]

Um… can you auto correct this please I am confused

[vapid pumice]

like, you can say its no reason but thats just objectively false

[indigo cave]

Orcas are also extremely capable and can bully the hell out of even blue whales

But they are the exception

[vapid pumice]

and every animal that can jump got the tendon mutation nerf, not sure why thats more of a hypsi thing than anything else lol

[proper onyx]

What was the reason again?

[void marlin]

"with the solo exception of satoru gojo" animal

[vapid pumice]

they were beginning work on the new color system, colors were removed to remedy the main issue don had with the color system while the new one was in the works

[indigo cave]

Considering that hypsi's entire existence is being a cutie patootie... I wish they had made the effort to kept it's colours 😔

[wheat coral]

Not really, most macropredators are taking on things in their size range or larger

[lyric hollow]

its the same cycle
people want change cause they hate the current state of things
when change comes they hate it too and want to go back because now theyre forced to adapt and learn new things
enough time passes and more changes come to fix things and they still complain because it isnt exactly the way they envisioned, as if its their game lol

[vapid pumice]

only like 2 animals managed to escape the color death of 2025, being diablo & cera

[novel valley]

From my experience playing allo, as soon as I start spamming lmb and spamming drift to turn, every cera folds.
And as my experience playing cera, unless the allo misses pounces, or spams alt attack, theres not much, if anything I can do.

It could be such a fun matchup, sad it is the way it is

[coarse nimbus]

yeah that is true, there's been some bigger holes moreso with allo than rex. if there was one playable that needed more time it was def allo. i'm glad that allo is getting a bit more attention in this ht finally

[proper onyx]

The killer whale would like to stop have a conversation with you about your car’s extended warranty

[indigo cave]

In packs yeah but solo?

[real orchid]

and dryo

[vapid pumice]

... im embarassed i didnt know this

[bold needle]

if i vomit do i loose my chance to be prime elder

[lyric hollow]

nop

[wheat coral]

Yep. Mustelids, cats, and bears

[indigo cave]

Don't be, dryo might as well not exist (sadly)

[proper onyx]

Oh ya I forgor don hate the water melon goofy ah skins people were making and gutted the colours to the point of 0 diversity

[halcyon dove]

Shame

[patent bramble]

lol sry xd i said i wanna see thrash take stam both on dibb and on trike so ppl have a reason to not just spam it

[proper onyx]

Ngl if they don’t provide some decent colour options before they fully launch it’ll lose more players than any buggy laggy update ever would

[novel valley]

Its actually insane how fast things can get powercrept, teno didnt even receive any nerfs and its now arguably a bottom tier playable, even though its always been relatively good

[proper onyx]

It does just not a lot plus thrash on dibble is trash so if they are spamming it they are easy af to beat trike is a different story thou

[proper onyx]

It’s nerf was the most inexcusably bad prime

[real orchid]

the ones people started making again when the new system came out in ht as well

[proper onyx]

And dibble was Les sits nerfs more the CONSTANT buffs to cera making it just SO SO much stronger

[blissful shoal]

theres a difference between now having a threat, and now having something that is both faster and face tanks/one taps you while ALSO having the ability to play slow and prevent you from attacking back.

Rex running up and pinning or demolishing most of the roster is all well and good, but the main issue is when its prime and is insanely fast. The fact prime ambushes faster than allo's sprint and can pin up to stego is ludicrous, theres no reason for it to be that fast and pin that high of range. Anything between diablo to stego is just fodder to that. (plus diablo's speed nerf is hurting it against even adult rex). Then we also have the issue of rex effectively 3-tapping other apexes because of leg fracture while they have to put in a LOT more effort to kill a rex

Allo even having the capability to face tank diablos is crazy, let alone do it so consistently. Then theres also it face tanking poor kentro with ease while also easily bleeding out the kentro with only a few claw swipes. All of this is made even worse with the fact it doesnt need all of this power because it also has pounce to negate counterattacks and very easy to reach pin thresholds.

[boreal dirge]

Nerf everything buff rex and allo

[novel valley]

Galli gaining 25kgs:
Beipi gaining NOTHING:

Its down there tho yeah

[stable atlas]

i genuienly gont get why we get the ability to make custom colors if the color difference is a 1% hue, i know ithe color pallette feature will apparently have a wider ranger of colors but i do not have hope

[halcyon dove]

Only gaining 228kg while carno gained 500 and cera gained 650 certainly had an impact.

Teno was balanced when it had 300kg more than both. It’s now has 28 more than carno and 122 less than cera. That’s 328kg and 422kg less health than it had when it was the most balanced Dino in the game

[void marlin]

Agreed

[proper onyx]

Ya like I can understand wanting to limit it to a extent but there’s also a extent of OVER limiting

[real orchid]

tbh galli prime is like 60km/h so nothing is catching that thing lol

[arctic sluice]

After some silly amateur UE5 research, I believe the cause of the crashes in Austro-enabled HT are caused by the Austro model itself being corrupt/incomplete and or having overlapping physics and collision. This is why the issue does not exist on EU3 where Austro is not enabled.

The rare but painful audio bug that occasionally comes alongside it is merely a byproduct of similar/overlapping resources.

How this triggers a "Crash Zone" where multiple players are affected or "Crash Loop" I do not know but seems it's similar to the audio bug. Just overlapping resources.

Hopefully some model clean up is all it takes!

[void marlin]

This thing actually angers me

[vapid pumice]

we have like 1 palette right now and thats the default palette. its gonna make skins similar to the defaults of animals lol

[delicate lava]

AUSTRO IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL! I cant stop to play w him T_T

[boreal dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[coarse nimbus]

allo is kind of like where dilo was with it's bite when it first came out. it def needs a speed nerf with the bite

[void marlin]

@indigo cave

[proper onyx]

Tenos viability was already tanked by the CC resistance buff cera got in charge bite with the prime system it just nuked any chance tenos have against ceratos

[novel valley]

As I said, powercrept to hell

[halcyon dove]

Someone hire this guy @long helm

[real orchid]

i agree, that is why i am also hoping for more colors before end of this ht, but i wouldnt personally mind it either if they get the new system to work properly and more clearly

[proper onyx]

It’s supposed too

[midnight kernel]

Cera needs to slow down immediately upon holding its bite, not after 3 seconds imo

[arctic sluice]

jesus you scared me lol and no this is all pretty basic stuff. I thought it might be deeper and involve a trigger or something XD

[proper onyx]

Love how bros still the default ping for fake pinging dondi

[coarse nimbus]

i thought you pinged the real one for a sec i did the hardest double take lol 💀

[vapid laurel]

Genuine bug hunter!

[arctic sluice]

bug hunting lead to nothing, I like finding triggers. I don't believe this has one, just some model clean up stuff!

[proper onyx]

Cera needs to stop getting buffs and get a minor revert on the recent bile changes and it’s cc buff

[blissful shoal]

the power and cc creep has been the main issue with balance atm. You either have 500 stat buffs like cera, you stunlock your opponent on every attack, or you get stunlocked and die.

[novel valley]

I didnt have much issues back then personally, it only affected ceras interaction with tail slam, which Ive never used since its damage got nerfed to only 100 (kind of a joke tbh)

[halcyon dove]

Pinging fake dondinator9000 will never fail to amuse me.

Im like a hamster to a wheel

[edgy flume]

THAT AUDIO BUG MADE ME JUMP OUT MY SKIN

[vapid laurel]

Impressive nonetheless 👍

[indigo cave]

Least deranged Rex "fan"

[arctic sluice]

if you have experienced it, it is awful! glad it's more rare

[proper onyx]

Ngl teno just needs a better prime

[void marlin]

Man I wish Rex and Allo were balanced

[rich mist]

cant wait to kill you

[novel valley]

I cant believe Im saying this, but I want herbi domination back. I never thought Id be nostalgic about the time when stego was still the biggest land thing around.

[delicate lava]

HAHAHAHA

[midnight kernel]

if teno gets some love id be very happy tbh. it is still able to survive very well, but rex definetly needs some nerfs, and teno getting some buffs to compensate for the power creep would feel nicer than nerfing cera tbh

[real orchid]

me when bison attacks me for being too close: "it's meant to be defensive!!"

[shy imp]

guys can somone help me get voice chat servers please

[proper onyx]

Rex mains the moment you explain why slamming your soft upper jaw on top of 3 foot spikes would kill you

[blissful shoal]

tbh, bite speed and grapple thresholds are the 2 main things that need nerfs. Personally, I'd argue the bleed needs to be turned down a tad too, but the other issue is the amount of bleed mutations that can make it feel a LOT worse.

[void marlin]

Lmao

[halcyon dove]

I think teno and kentro have the worst primes now right?

I wonder… what’s hypsi, dryo, and troos adult/prime % increase

Hrmmmm

[midnight kernel]

look up bosch isle discord. theyll have instructions

[edgy flume]

bosch island

[rich mist]

some austros think its safe to sit 20 feet away from a carno

[shy imp]

on google?

[lyric hollow]

Yeah I agree for the most part.

I'm not claiming the balance is perfect, because honestly there's no such thing, there's too many variables such as what growth each is in and in how many numbers and whether youre prime or not etc, how your diet is (which affect buffs), what muts each has, and so forth.
These things make each encounter different.

But most people when they complain narrow down to only the games own coded stat differences, blame the devs and call it a day, rather than looking at all these other things I listed which they have the power to influence the outcome of the encounter.
For example whether you're bled out by an allo or not can be totally decided based on muts and diet buffs alone.

I think they've headed in the right direction with balance changes in the past 6 months and they're continuing to do so.

[midnight kernel]

yes

[halcyon dove]

Show them their folly

[novel valley]

Troos prime is a little less than a 33% increase, its 60->79.86kgs (shouldve just been 80)

[proper onyx]

Ngl bigger slower herbis being naturally a little more dominant for the sake of balancing is better for the games environment and ecosystem if you asked me

[real orchid]

yeah

[shy imp]

oki

[void marlin]

I can't wait for Cama to be added and Rex mains be like "Why can't I hunt something twice my weight??? 😭"

[edgy flume]

bosch island is the name of the server you can find the discord by searching "bosch island discord"

[rich mist]

ive killed 15 of them trust me i do

[patent bramble]

tbh i like the matchup adult allo vs peak cera or prime allo vs peak prime cera with no hunger is really fun and doable for both sides

[halcyon dove]

Ah troos is 33% like average then

[coarse nimbus]

Yeah but i think stego’s bleed is at the same level’s as allo’s too. Bleed is the niche of allo so im not too bothered about that

[bold needle]

how do u get prime elder

[novel valley]

More herbivores in general would be amazing

[real orchid]

it will be like that 100%

[proper onyx]

Troodon is a silent monster this HT with all the same values PLUS the blackout venom yet NO ONES talking about it smh than again working clones with black out screen as the 4th fastest Dino in the game does make dilo pretty scary

[proper onyx]

GIVE ME PACHYRHINO

[patent bramble]

yea no idea why it does same dmg as norma lmb attack a full dibb thrash does 300 dmg on a standing target lol

[light zephyr]

i have bad news....

[novel valley]

Shh, I want to keep clipfarming as it🤫

[midnight kernel]

Trike having an agility buff would also be good imo. including its alt attacks not being, like, what, a 90 degree turn?

[real orchid]

because troo is small creature and people see small creatures as lame and bad even tho troo is proof that small creatures can be scarier than big ones

[vapid laurel]

What about a Rex agility nerf 😮

[proper onyx]

No it’s not confirmed cancelled it’s existing in a state of limbo atm kissen already said “it’d be a waste to not use already completed models” as such it’s in a state of maybe will come maybe won’t

[patent bramble]

probably as realistic as ANY cera nerfs xddd

[vapid laurel]

Don't forget before Troodon came out, most conversations about it boiled down to "completely unviable because alt-attacks exist lmao"

[midnight kernel]

i despise the anklebiting tactics in Pot so im not against a larger slower dino being very capable of defending itself like rex with its turn. but trike should absolutely turn just as well if not better for how slow it is (yes i know that would break it, thats to pronounce the balance issues not expecting it to actually change that way)

[vapid laurel]

[proper onyx]

Dw we been uno reverse carding dilos lately

[vast citrus]

austro still in ht?

[void marlin]

I don't hate Rex and Allo, I think they're too hated. However, I don't think they're great playables. They could be, but their development was rushed (probally) so they were released with bugs and OP mechanics.

[real orchid]

i wasnt here for that, but that sounds so dumb lol
yet i am surprised no one is playing troo like fr when it is so dangerous and scary really

[light cedar]

Yes

[proper onyx]

They’re fun but they’re simply too strong rn

[halcyon dove]

Ptera is 33% too, dryo is 42% lmao,

Teno…. is 14%

Kentro is 15%

Damn. Didn’t realize it was that bad

[still sparrow]

herrera prime eggs on US13 | Dm me for vc if you want

[proper onyx]

Beipi is 0%

[light cedar]

Just remove pin/pounce, isnt that hard

[vapid laurel]

It was very silly indeed. Yet it was entirely unironic
At least it proved em wrong!

[void marlin]

EXACTLY

[proper onyx]

Ah yes because that fixes machinegun bite

And 3 hit fracturing other apex’s

[halcyon dove]

I wonder if this is why pounce vanishes attacks

[indigo cave]

Stego and deino get >50% which is kinda crazy

[coarse cedar]

I lowkey forgot pachy was even a playable in this game 😭

[wheat coral]

Pinning and pouncing is fine, just needs tweaks

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[vapid laurel]

Mmmmmmmm....
hm

[proper onyx]

I’m going to play pachy and come find you now

[void marlin]

This

[tulip glade]

the crashes have been happening even before austro came around

[proper onyx]

It is and he’s right

[coarse cedar]

I will simply bite you through your CC and kill you

[proper onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/fahhhh-meme-fahhh-meme-gif-3373466725816568741

[light cedar]

its a 3 tons animals, there's no need for pin/pounce.

[manic fulcrum]

On the topic of pin. I heard that they may have completely redone the pin conditioning & math all together

[vapid laurel]

Pin/pounce discussion again! YeeeEEEEAAHH.

-# this is good though because it deserves to be discussed a lot same with Cerato being stinky

[indigo cave]

The fact that the community is genuinely slowly going through 'the pins will continue until morale improves' is genuinely insane

[manic fulcrum]

But I need to test more

[wheat coral]

Then you do not understand why allo has the ability to pin

[vapid laurel]

Interesting 😮

[manic fulcrum]

I mean how is my Gali supposed to escape an allosaurus. It just pins me

[arctic sluice]

I'd prefer if we all shared screenshots of how lovely underwater biomes and scenes used to look. I'll go first:

[zinc abyss]

zip zoom, my guy

[trim elbow]

?

[wintry falcon]

how do i join a server? the connect button isnt doing anything

[lapis trench]

This is so cute

[sour flare]

Does anyone else have a "data aquisition failure" on us 12 only? Is an occuring issue, other servers work

[real orchid]

Tiny

[manic fulcrum]

sarcasm

[wheat coral]

You yourself have already told me that you have never been pinned. Pinning is not a problem in and of itself.

[indigo cave]

Pin and pounce defenders:

[zinc abyss]

~~ ~~

[peak vigil]

From my experience you just keep trying and it eventually works

[light cedar]

The concept they want for "Pounce" is very different from what we have, what we have is a copy of Omniraptor. If it's not working as it should, disable or remove it until the correct version is available.

Remove

[rich mist]

wait why can you see with color

[void marlin]

The main problem with pin is because you can't actually fight back.

[indigo cave]

Yeah and I don't look forwards to being pinned (I did a long ass time ago as dilo by raptors, I said it right after the original message)

[wheat coral]

The reason allo can pounce on things is for attrition hunting, and the reason for the pin is so that it can ambush smaller prey and actually immobilize them. it is a hunting tool.

[light cedar]

What kind of argument is that?

[vernal iris]

The lab is pretty cool

[indigo cave]

And literally no creatures but stego, kentro (he shouldn't be pinned to begin with) and anky (eventually) have the anatomy to fight back at all 💀

[wheat coral]

Something tells me you don't like dying to a carnivore in any way

[proper onyx]

The argument is me saying pin isn’t what makes Rex and allo op

[edgy flume]

haha then what is it?

[blissful shoal]

thats fair, though personally I havent really agreed with many of their balance changes since the rex ht. There have been plenty of major problems that have been ignored, and instead it is currently resulting in some major power creep across the roster and others being left behind to die.

[indigo cave]

I have done plenty of battles with cera (i enjoy playing against and as cera) but I'm against all forms of CC that take control away from the player

I'm against pin, against deino grabs and against stego / dibble stagger equally

[vapid pumice]

to be fair we know this is something theyre actively working on

[arctic sluice]

older screenshot, here's a clip from some other adventures when we could see somewhat underwater

[covert fog]

Imagine quetz getting pinned by 2 austros thatd be so peak

[indigo cave]

I miss this water

[lapis trench]

Against deino grabs? 🤨

[arctic sluice]

it was such a mood

[trim elbow]

Buff Cera so it's up to date

[light cedar]

And Im talking about the pin, not the bite or whatever, you simply decided to bring up another problem as a way to justify an existing one, which is why I'm asking what kind of argument that is.

What the hell?

[analog turret]

That was stinky water

[void marlin]

Yep. May sound dumb, but pin should be a struggle game. The pinned creature should be able to fight back while the pinners try to keep the prey pinned.

The more pinners, the harder it is to escape, the bigger the prey, the harder it is to keep it pinned.

Just and idea
-# Please don't skin me alive

[blissful shoal]

I'm fine with it dealing major bleed, the I personally just feel its bleed is a little too strong (prob needs like a 10-15% decrease). But if the other major issues it has get nerfed, then the bleed wouldnt be too bad tbh.

[blissful shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-crocodile-lake-lol-gif-23950838

[proper onyx]

Maybe cuz the comment you responded to WASNT ABOUT PIN!?

[wheat coral]

Deino grab is the only one I agree with you on, and that is only because the way it works now actually hurts deino overall. The prevention to pins is to avoid it before the pin happens, which is hilariously easy with a bit of environmental awareness

[manic fulcrum]

Man I miss this

[red egret]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ahhhh-hesok-catgoboom-soBMAXm3umWxErwzxx

[void marlin]

That's a ball- NOOOOOOOOOOOO THE CAR
Hi zoom

[arctic sluice]

imagine seeing austros with all their lovely swim animations dancing under water

[red egret]

XD hi ian

[trim elbow]

Hot take I like Allo but the way they seem to have coded pounce and pin only really works for Omni and Rex

[vapid pumice]

truth nuke i fear

oh no, the allosaurus pinned my carno! if only i had some innate tool to escape before this had happened... maybe if i was speedy... hmm

[manic fulcrum]

Anything having pin isn’t a problem as long as it has to A: ambush things that can reliably avoid it, or B: wear down the things that can’t really choose to avoid it

[indigo cave]

Yes. It shouldn't be "get lifted into the air and watch as your creature dies from full health haha lmao"

First of all, there should be NO safe water in the game. But deino should have a tug of war with anything that survives the initial bite putting stamina and weight against eachother

[void marlin]

What do you think, Cucho?

[trim elbow]

Anything having pin is based

[grizzled knoll]

What makes allo op is that when I try to pounce I go right through the dino im pouncing but when im fighting allos they pounce my face and fly through the air while they're pounce and the other does the exact same thing resulting in a pin (this just happened and im very tilted)

[vapid pumice]

people just dont like being harshly punished for their mistakes

[proper onyx]

[void marlin]

Agreed

[proper onyx]

REAL

[lapis trench]

My friends have gotten out of the bites of deinos about 3 times before actually dying, if I did have to say anything about it, it'd be nice if it was harder for them to go back and grab you again after just getting out of their jaws

[wheat coral]

In my experience the people who are most against pins are the ones who want to make very big mistakes and survive them consistently

[indigo cave]

I would like pin IF it was an actual finisher. You could have it that after the prey reaches 0 HP / blood and are pouncing you, they start pinning and goring your body. As a proper fight move it's aids

[proper onyx]

Yup

[trim elbow]

Also true

[vapid pumice]

outside of grapple conditions, pin is mostly fine icl. like genuinely the people who hate pin as a whole may just have to get over it lmao

[void marlin]

This is also a good idea to some point

[manic fulcrum]

^

[trim elbow]

Don't think it applies to Muto but I haven't talked to him in a while

[tardy breach]

I usually just feel like I didn’t earn a kill if I just pin someone

[wheat coral]

Its not a proper fight move, it is a hunting tool

[grizzled knoll]

Whether pinning is healthy for the game or not, I think it should be ironed out in the first place, allo is literally broken, not in the powerful sense of the word but in the "not ready for public release" sense of the word

[trim elbow]

True...

[still sparrow]

herrera prime eggs on US13

[proper onyx]

The only thing that’s pin is stupid is Rex and it’s ONLY because of its speed not because its pin math is actually op

Thou I will say the 400% allo got on duo for low stats is a questionable choice

THE. AGAIN AGAIN omni gets it too so ya know what I retract that last statement

[void marlin]

#isle-discussion message

[lapis trench]

I personally cannot see it this way after getting insta pinned by another austro in 2 seconds of it seeing me

[indigo cave]

Yes but keep in mind the hunted is also a player. They have proven time and time again they are capable of making fights enjoyable, there is absolutely zero reason for them to just go in this direction of unidirectional enjoyment

[vapid pumice]

400% allo thing would fall into the grapple conditions i mentioned

[proper onyx]

Read edit

[vapid pumice]

i would argue it is bad for omni too...!

grapple as a whole is what is overtuned a bit

[rich mist]

17 austros down

[trim elbow]

The feeling of earning a kill is a weird thing to design a lot of animals around

[indigo cave]

If you want to pin or pounce ai sure why not, it's not like it has to enjoy the game. But there is no fun whatsoever in being pinned, it's just helplessness

[manic fulcrum]

I’m like 99% sure the whole 400% thing just a maximum value, not a base one

[indigo cave]

Calm down Satan

[proper onyx]

Na na respectfully if we get a 12T Rex to low stats of any kind as 2 almost adult allos we earned that pin respectfully

[vapid pumice]

make it 20!

[void marlin]

#isle-discussion message

[rich mist]

douing the lords work

[manic fulcrum]

Like saying “if Omni does its entire stamina pool it does bajillion damage”

Like sure, it CAN. But is it really?

[proper onyx]

Same with omnis

[wheat coral]

If you got pinned from behind then that is unfortunate, if you get pinned from the front than your retaliation damage should outdo their regular damage. Either way, can be avoided with environmental awareness and is not a huge problem on stuff in austros size range

[grizzled knoll]

When the world gets overrun by AI u better watch ur back buddy

[light cedar]

Anyway, remove the pin/pounce.

[manic fulcrum]

[proper onyx]

It can theoretically but the practicality is Alil different

[void marlin]

❌

[indigo cave]

I say thanks and please to ai bots

[proper onyx]

Always. SKILL ISSUE

[void marlin]

Me too 😭

[trim elbow]

It was trendy to just equate Omni damage pounce with 1000 damage here for a while...

[wheat coral]

The only time when allo or rex can pin something outright is if its significantly smaller than them, otherwise they have to do damage in order to be able to do the pin

[proper onyx]

Beyond Rex if your dying to pin from a allo or omni that’s on you chief

[tardy breach]

I’d argue that’s a bit aspect of the game design. Challenging players and making them work for their survival. IMO pins fail in that aspect both with balance and with “aesthetics”, since another part of the playable design is making it feel good and satisfying to use(ex: pachys ram sound/animation makes it feel powerful which is part of the enjoyment)

Pin imo is also just really boring

[void marlin]

Give Alberto a pin

[vapid pumice]

i mean yeah id expect it to get one

[trim elbow]

Remove (or reserve for things that you can almost 1 shot but not really) until it's implemented better and we have a deal

[sacred stirrup]

hey im having some issues with my game. for some reason i cant get into any game servers its just stuck on the loading screen anybody know any fix to this or could redirect me to a chat for this?

[void marlin]

I'm actually hyped for Alberto, it's like a subadult Rex

[grizzled knoll]

Now its trendy to do it w 5000 dmg, which ngl isnt far fetched, bucking is also very buggy rn so when it doesn't work u can for sure compare it to these ammounts of damage

[vapid laurel]

Pin just seems kinda weird in a lotta situations where it just feels like "oh...they pressed a button...gg I guess."

[rich mist]

the only issue with hunting austros is the constant crashing

[indigo cave]

Yes and for the latter you could very much just turn it into an actual finisher. There is little difference between getting pinned or getting one shot as a hypsi by a rex 💀

[light cedar]

Are you agreeing or disagreeing of me uh?

[proper onyx]

ALBERTO MENTIONED

ALL PRAISE THE KING

[copper night]

how do you know if you achieve prime asset once at 75%

[void marlin]

Dryo better btw

[craggy dune]

omni's infinite height pin is disgusting af

[tardy breach]

I often just get bored watching a bad animation of my allo pinning something for 20+ seconds

[light cedar]

I can see why your name is Evil cockatiel.

[proper onyx]

Disagreeing I think dying to anything short of Rex pin as something Rex can run down in its current state is entirely a skill issue

[indigo cave]

Cannot wait to have a big carno that goes around pinning and bone breaking everything forever 💀

[analog turret]

It would great if pining eas more gradual so you could feel when a pin was going to happen

[proper onyx]

Perish

[void marlin]

They should give Dryo laser eyes

[lapis trench]

This, I got pinned immediately, not even a skill issue I couldn't get away from them, and it wasn't even a fight it was just oh ggs I'm dead can't even fight back

[proper onyx]

Psh please Alberto ain’t Rex it won’t get that kinda love 😞

[trim elbow]

Well yeah true just there's a weird interaction that feeling has with what animals typically TRY to hunt irl

Animals don't go for the most challenging options. As long as something provides more nutrition than the energy it takes to catch and kill it, the weaker and easier options are normally favoured

[vernal iris]

Is the dome open in the hordetest? just exploring looking at stuff for the first time

[indigo cave]

The game in general would benefit a lot from linear instead of "hard yes or no" conditionals

[proper onyx]

Me when we are this deep
Into envirma and dryo still can’t tunnel

[indigo cave]

Like for example... For every minute (?) you spend infertile it takes 1% longer to reach prime

[analog turret]

Thing is people whine in here if they do that

Kill and eat babies? People cry. Make flails weaker and easier to catch? People cry

[manic fulcrum]

I remember. This is the same with the Allo “400%” which I honestly don’t even think is right, since from what I was told from a reliable source , animals don’t have % weight thresholds for pin anymore & that it’s much more dynamic based on multiple values, that some animals might have their own pin values (example a Pachy being harder to pin than let’s say a dilo. Idk if that actually true or not)

Which is why it seems they might be standardizing all pin related attacks to function the same mathematically

[fickle coyote]

can yall plz for the love of god fix the crashing issue? or start reimburse for when we do crash its kinda messed up that yall dont do that anyway

[manic fulcrum]

Granted, it’s a bit hard to test it all

[light cedar]

Pounce/Pin is literally the definition of skill issue.

Furthermore, I'm specifically talking about allo.

[proper onyx]

Hordetest T E S T

[tardy breach]

Yeah but also even those small safer prey items are still hard to catch. There’s more challenge than just leaping forward and grabbing them.

And in terms of gameplay there’s a kind of dissatisfaction when you go “oh that’s it, well that was easy”

[trim elbow]

I wish pin thresholds were dynamic

[manic fulcrum]

They might be

[void marlin]

It's all fun and giggles until you have to reach 101% to get prime elder

[indigo cave]

At 100% every X minites you are able to produce one less egg until you eventually are able to produce none (why is this still a thing btw, let us nest 😔)

[lapis trench]

Are you playing a testing version of the game and are mad it's crashing??

[indigo cave]

That's kind of the point lmao

[vernal iris]

reimburse lmao

[gilded sphinx]

Neither balance nor general feedback channels get looked at by the devs 😂

[proper onyx]

Allo the thing that everything it pins is significantly faster with better stam and the slower things are significantly stronger and harder to meet pin conditions?

[merry roost]

simply not true

[vapid laurel]

Mmhm. Outside of certain circumstances, pinning leaning more towards being a gradual finisher of sorts would be preferable as well as, to me at least, feel more climactic. A battle between two beasts occurs...the one is getting worn down...you can see the blood and scratches...the predator takes advantage and pins em down while they're weak! Rather than "oh I'm a bit lighter than them so uh...guess I'll just watch...fun." Even as the attacker it seems boring to win simply because you pressed a button and held it. Wow.

I wanna stress though that being helpless during a pin does have its moments. A Dryo pinned by an Omni? Yeah! It's small and can't really do much! It got caught the poor thing.
But things closer in size going from healthy/full stamina to "oh, I can't play the game anymore" just seems...lame.

[craggy dune]

they sure do tend to notice when ppl are glazing them for incomplete fixes lol

[wheat coral]

That would be awful for the game.

[proper onyx]

This has been proven factually inaccurate

[indigo cave]

People say they do
Devs never comment on anything posted there so who tf knows

[light cedar]

That's an expected reaction, why did you expect a different reaction?

[fickle coyote]

im made that yall dont reimburse for a dino when the game crashes

[proper onyx]

There have been many changes suggested in it that have been made during HTs

[lapis trench]

It's a test version of the game, it's expected to crash

[wheat coral]

Theres a reason for that.

[cinder cave]

Me when I’m in a making things up competition and this is the first move

[vapid pumice]

isle players have this phenomena of needing to be told the same thing 50 times like a 4 year old

[minor gorge]

man i really wish i had like .. an ETA ....

[gilded sphinx]

I don't think they do, they so far have proven to not do that and only fix the thing that most people are vocal about

@indigo cave they sure do say that alot and they refer to a message that has been posted by a dev few months ago...

[fickle coyote]

i under satnd crashing i dont understand why i cant get reimbursed when i do crash

[indigo cave]

This is far from factual, it's definitely something that would incline the balance towards that they do but that's not how factual works...

[vapid laurel]

People can be weird and take the slightest acknowledgement of something as hard confirmed gospel. So them saying "yeah we'll consider this idea" here is instead translated to "yes this is 100% confirmed"

It's bad.

[vapid goblet]

next person to talk is a poopy poop poop

[fickle coyote]

hi

[cinder cave]

It’s their game with their plans, not ours, they do not have to implement things that are in general feedback, nor should they try to appeal to everyone

[vapid goblet]

YOU

[proper onyx]

They have made a VERBATIM CHANGE from balancing feedback before 2 days after it was posted just because you didn’t notice doesn’t mean other didn’t

[trim elbow]

Right yeah, I get it
However consider that The Isle is very combat oriented

For the effort put into combat, movement is a static top speed that you reach in 2 seconds for most animals
You don't trip, you don't get slowed down by foliage
Mud is horrendous and it's not even present in most of the map
There aren't even dynamic things that really affect your speed, stamina or acceleration values. Even diet doesn't really interact with those three dynamically. The closest it gets is a stam regen buff lmao

[indigo cave]

I choose to believe that they are forwarding anky because it makes me happy (I'm obviously playing into the stereotype you just mentioned)

[light cedar]

We've had other hordetests, the current level is simply insane, a hordetest is made to test, not the opposite... you can't test anything if you just crash 99% of the time.
Furthermore, even in the official version of the game, crashes are common.

[vapid laurel]

You'd lose the dinosaur anyways once it hits the live build. <:I
More of a test environment than a play environment.
-# ...well there's playtesting but that's different

[lapis trench]

I feel like that's unnecessary, you also already know it's gonna crash, you know you'll lose your dino and get mad abt it, so why play hordetesting. You can get reimbursement in unofficials even

[wheat coral]

Also also, people would take it way too personally if they feel the devs have looked at their suggestion and choose not to use it. Hell they do it already whenever they think their idea getting a bunch of checkmarks means the devs have to incorporate it in some way

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/dino-dana-dino-dana-the-movie-dinosaur-dinosaurs-ankylosaurus-gif-25948030

[lapis trench]

Unofficial servers are the answer to this, not crashing out about it

[fickle coyote]

im not playing hordtesting

[indigo cave]

What's verbatim? Also again, there is a difference between strong suspicion and factual

[proper onyx]

Competitive rule 11 breaking fr

[vapid laurel]

It's been outright said the reactions mean nothing Which I kinda figured anyways.

[sleek arrow]

anyone else on ht crashing a bunch rn?

[rancid plaza]

me when my carno trips at 60kmph and breaks its neck

[vapid pumice]

you think finding the cause behind the crashes (and finding them in general) isnt part of the HT?

[wheat coral]

Indeed, which I am glad for

The game would be far worse if they added every idea got a lot of checkmarks

[vapid laurel]

Though despite this, I've discovered adding images usually gets you more attention heehee

[lapis trench]

Then don't play officials, use unofficial servers that will reimburse you for crashes

[fickle coyote]

i am playing unofficial and im def not crashing out just trying to understand why dino din dose not reimburse for dino when you crash

[trim elbow]

Don't run at 60km/h in a forest
Maybe it would actually incentivize people to walk through forested areas instead of running from bush to bush which is still the better option even with stamina regen changes

[vapid laurel]

[indigo cave]

An idea being popular with the community should definitely have more "weight" for it's implementation than one without the support

[vapid pumice]

hordetesting is not just about getting into the game to play around with new animals and lolly gagging around

its also about stressing the servers to their max, finding game breaking bugs/crashes en mass, and collecting data from the servers

[light cedar]

Yes, when I denied?
Besides, I'm almost sure the "ALT" attack for some reason can cause crashes.

[lapis trench]

??? How is this a problem for the devs to reimburse you for crashes then, find a better unofficial server idk

[gilded sphinx]

They don't consider anything that doesn't fit their agenda so them tweaking their newest dino to fit the gameplay will satisfy these people because apparently it sounds as if they listen

[proper onyx]

From experience legit just making sure none of the info you have is false helps with the devs actually acknowledging it so me and my crowd avoid using actual values to not look dumb like we actually know what we talking about

[vapid laurel]

Mmmhm

[wheat coral]

Not necessarily, I've seen some ideas get a lot of checkmarks that would outright be against the whole concept of the game

[trim elbow]

But MY ideas are totally cool and should be added...

[indigo cave]

Calling it agenda when it's their game is definitely interesting... But I do have to agree that it at the very least it feels like the devs should take the community's opinion more at heart

[limber patio]

Nuh uh, the Devs should obviously be constantly monitoring those channels at all times. Not working on the game.

[cinder cave]

They’ve very openly said austro isn’t done and needs more work?

[vapid laurel]

There's also the ideas that are genuinely well written but get a bunch of Xs since it may involve nerfing something.

[wheat coral]

Gave

[fickle coyote]

are you even a discord mod???? if so your horribal !! you show wont peeps to play your server not go some where else

[coarse nimbus]

Hiiiii epsiiii

[vapid laurel]

Agave!?

[cinder cave]

Alright class, today we’re learning about the camera incident of 2024

[cinder cave]

https://tenor.com/view/inefablejuly-drowning-seal-gif-13945734926066863586

[wheat coral]

Exactly

[vapid pumice]

ill take isle players needing to be told something 15 times for 400, alex

[arctic sluice]

lmao. I enjoyed shadow discussion era too

[limber patio]

Look what I found.

[lapis trench]

I never said I was a discord mod??

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[gilded sphinx]

Excibit A
do you think general feedback or balance feedback is full of austros?

[proper onyx]

I feel like a funny April fools would be to add a lot of the values people have in balanced feedback and just see how all hell breaks loose as the game turned into a garbage feast as some of these suggestions are just genuinely atrocious

[spiral birch]

salut, des francais N?

[vapid laurel]

👏

[fickle coyote]

o ok lol that makes me feel better

[wheat coral]

I think they're full of isle players, but what do I know

[arctic sluice]

oh no @sharp pond it's skibidi's brother sixtyseven!

[cinder cave]

It has been mostly hordetesting stuff from what I can see

[vapid laurel]

Horrifying

[indigo cave]

This is self contradictory, if ideas get a lot of traction and it's against the direction of the game then it would be wise to at least slightly shift said direction. Unless the devs are making a game for themselves and not the players which is fine but it's also how you kill a community.

[vapid pumice]

yah, ive seen several feedback posts about things wrong w/ austro. fall damage resistence, trot speed, alt attack, etc.

[limber patio]

LMFAO

[light dust]

hey guys, how can i tell if a server has proximity chat or not? (or do they all)

[lapis trench]

I also just told you to go to an unofficial server that supports what you want, I'm not even telling you to go to a specific one

[proper onyx]

Dam is that a velociraptor for the Dino’s+ Minecraft mod!?

[lapis trench]

Their discords usually say if they do or not

[somber urchin]

monster hunter omni

[hoary sage]

Only one or two have it and they typically advertise it in the server name

[limber patio]

I dunno, but his buddy looks like this. Lmao.

[vapid pumice]

no actually i dont think the devs should suddenly shift direction because the playerbase throws a bit of a tantrum.

you're here for the ride by your own choice, the ride is not being made for you

[cinder cave]

Only Bosch does from what I know

[arctic sluice]

👌

[slate trellis]

i genuinely risk bursting a blood vessel when i hear stuff about "ugh austro isnt done yet why was it even added"

[light dust]

alright thanks

[hushed orbit]

ive noticed a pattern where if the devs leave the game for one too many days in a less than ideal state, the playerbase starts to get desperate and hopeless as if there will never be another patch ever again lol

[proper onyx]

Oh my God, you know those dragons eating their own tail rings!? you found a Rex sized one

[wheat coral]

They have stated repeatedly that they are not crowdsourcing ideas for the game. If they see an idea that they like, then they will decide whether or not to use it but at the end of the day they are making a game that fits their vision.

[lapis trench]

There's a few advertising it in #unofficial-isle-communities

[fickle coyote]

i guess what im asking is can we do a vote or somthing to where if we crash we can get are dinos back

[slate trellis]

they could not have been more clearer about how it was a simple gaff that was done as a little treat, and not indicative of the gameplay/balance of austro at ALL

[trim elbow]

Modern insults

[lapis trench]

You're free to take it to #general-feedback but you can just join an unofficial server that will reimburse you lol

[floral pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-he-touched-it-electronics-what-did-i-touch-what-did-you-do-gif-15360920143059452771

[vapid pumice]

i wouldnt go into DBD and ask that they add a sandbox mode where you can run around as killers/survivors and be all willy nilly because it simply isnt something they want for the direction of the game

[vapid laurel]

There's always those who prefer the intended vision of the game. Those who disagree either adapt, move on to a game they do like, or go onto an unofficial that supports their preferred playstyles (which will only get better come mods! )

Also the original plans for the game were much different and became what it is today because of the community (though granted this was long ago and things have changed in that regard...for the better mostly lmao )

[light dust]

whats the name of the server? sorry im kinda new to the isle lol

[lapis trench]

Yes I'm so "horribal"

[gilded sphinx]

if you're ignoring like...90% of the suggestion there, my point is most of that stuff will go unnoticed except if it involves the new shiney thing that is austro/kentro, why aren't we fixing the crashes, why aren't we reworking allos moves or balancing it? thousands of valid criticism and really good suggestion but none of them will be seen
but hey they listen 🤷🏼‍♂️

[slate trellis]

i would that sounds fire

[trim elbow]

I miss stannibal

[indigo cave]

Which is getting pushed through regardless of pushback... I wasn't here back then so I cannot speak for the severity of it and I obviously don't support direct threats or insults to the devs but at the same time when the majority of the playerbase is so adamantly against something, then you probably shouldn't do said something

[cinder cave]

Bosch, you’ll have to get the discord server to get the stuff all set up I believe

[light dust]

thank you again

[slate trellis]

you're so hannibal

[wheat coral]

If someone makes a suggestion that they should add lootboxes and microtransactions to the isle and it gets a 1000 checkmarks, that does not mean the devs are obligated to move the isle in that direction in any way shape or form

[cinder cave]

They added it on friday, it was the weekend, and now it’s a US holiday, they work on things, but you do need to remember these are people, not machines

[gilded sphinx]

you're completely jumping over my point my dude, reread so you can understand what im talking about

[vapid laurel]

The camera incident was special since what people were being so vile about was barely a prototype not even given the OK to go through with it
But people kept saying "WELL IT'S NOT DONE SO THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO CRITICIZE IT"...completely forgetting that uh...what they didn't like was because it wasn't done yet

[fickle coyote]

i really enjoy dino den tho

[lapis trench]

Then tell them to give reimbursement for crashes, that's not a problem for the isle devs

[vapid pumice]

a perfect example of why the community does not run this game

[vapid laurel]

[wheat coral]

Thank god

[vapid pumice]

and never will run this game*

[manic fulcrum]

The crashes only started when austro was enabled btw

[lapis trench]

Phew

[gilded sphinx]

crashes has been thing for ages

[vapid laurel]

Once mods and more server custermizatierns come out, peeps can go make their own funny server playstyles. Gonna be a blast.

[cinder cave]

Valid criticism is completely subjective, if it’s not what they want for the game, they won’t do it, there’s been plenty examples of them listening to feedback, like with stamina and night vision changes, and plenty of reason not to bend over backwards and do everything the community wants, like the camera incident

[glossy harbor]

I'm waiting for the Camara. Nothing on Hordetest interests me. I'm expecting a Sauropod. Maybe I'll get one someday, or maybe not.💀

[manic fulcrum]

Crashing in general yes

But the consistent crashing over the weekend only started with austro being enabled

[arctic sluice]

crashes have increased tenfold since austro release so those are the ones we are talking about atm

[lapis trench]

Not as bad as it is rn, I crashed maybe 3 times in all before austro got enabled

[misty pivot]

hi

[indigo cave]

Obviously not obliged, nobody (I hope) is arguing that " amount of likes should get something implemented automatically

What I'm arguing for is that popular suggestions should at least be considered since they have already proven to be popular with the community. On this point, it would be very nice to have a specific part of every devblog addressing that month's top 3 (?) suggestions

[cinder cave]

Crashes can have numerous causes, not just one thing

[lapis trench]

You and me both, #IWantCamara

[hoary sage]

Checkmarks don't matter and that would just turn the channel into a constant regurgitation to win the "popularity contest"

[uncut mason]

Sauropods!

[manic fulcrum]

It wouldn’t be too far fetched to think a lot of the recent crashing is from austro being unfinished & possibly being related to the recent crashing. Granted it could be completely unrelated

[vapid laurel]

I mean if a buncha people are constantly giving similar pieces of feedback, I'd assume they at the very least acknowledge it internally
The reactions specifically though are not what determine this.

[slate trellis]

can i get context on camera incident

[gilded sphinx]

oh yeah lets not talk about the broken migration zones and patrol zones that don't count (ty for your name @manic fulcrum )

I'm sorry that's more like emergency fixes than listening to the community, otherwise alot would have changed by now

[teal mist]

SURVIVE IT

[uncut mason]

Oh god

[wheat coral]

Once again, the devs have said the checkmarks and x's mean absolutely nothing when it comes to which ideas to consider

[analog turret]

This means all of my ideas that get a millions X's can be implimented

[lapis trench]

There is only so many of them, and only so much they can do at a time

[vapid pumice]

don streams the earliest possible prototype of a new camera, explains that he wants to make the perspective of the animals a bit better and communicate your size better
community sees stream, clips it to where they cut out "this is a prototype"
goes viral in community
devs get death threats across multiple platforms
community attempts to "review bomb" the game (they moved the rating by less than 1%)
devs stop giving us early sneak peeks because the community is clearly not equipped to see them

[rich mist]

i really hope they fix all this crashing soon

[indigo cave]

They are right though? I assume (hope) they were criticising not the exact thing shown but the idea of it. It is obviously better to call something out before it has had too much dev time put into it to remove / heavily rework

[analog turret]

Someone X'd something I said in here like year lmao the herbie mafia do not like what I have to say it seems

[slate trellis]

thank you sammy

[hoary sage]

You would think that. But alas you expect too much from the community at large

[cinder cave]

I think most online communities have seen a decline in the quality of character from the general base as of the past few years tbh

[vapid pumice]

personally i dont see how you can possibly be mad at the idea of your camera angle better representing and communicating your size and such

however, those people somehow exist

[manic fulcrum]

I 100% agree that system in particular is in dire need of an update dedicated to it, possibly an entire rework of the system. I wish they would get to that sooner, and I too get upset for each update they don’t.

But they choose what they feel is a priority to work on. Which is fair enough. I may disagree with it but that’s the way it is and all we can do is voice opinions constructively

[gilded sphinx]

@cinder cave
and again i don't get the response of "if they don't want it for the game, they won't do it", like what? not fix the game? not fix the crashes? the crashes report that don't even get sent to an endpoint? rework allos that the community has been whining about?

[vapid laurel]

Summed up: Dondi streamed testing out a very barebones prototype of a reworked camera system, the main feature being the camera being notably closer to your creature and more restricted in where you can see. It was said it wasn't even given the OK yet by the rest of the team and, again, was a very very early prototype.

Fast forward a bit and you have this chat and feedback freaking the hell out over what the stream showed claiming "LOOK AT HOW AWFUL IT IS" n' such, completely forgetting that it was nowhere near even halfway complete + a conceptual prototype, proceeded to be obnoxious, rude, and generally uncivil, and guess what we don't get shown things as much anymore. ;o;

[rain tree]

My name is Donzilla and I run this game and don't you ferget it.

[vapid pumice]

this is part of the reason you dont see as many social gatherings and such in evrima as you did legacy

oh mah god who said that...

[slate trellis]

decline of media literacy

[vapid pumice]

didnt you have a breakdown over someone pinging a mod to deal with a scam bot

[wheat coral]

Because people like to complain about development taking too long while simultaneously dogpiling anything that even remotely changes the game

[analog turret]

Isle players have a parasocial antagonism for the dev team

[indigo cave]

That has the exact opposite issue then... People here love to meme on that one guy's proposals with 50 ❌ every time they post and we can all agree it would be a huge mistake if they chose that of all things to implement

[hoary sage]

Obviously they're always working on fixing bugs. Why would crashes ever be part of their vision for the game?

[sour prism]

this community doesn’t understand the concept of a work in progress unfortunately

[rain tree]

No I was annoyed by an overzealous minimod

[vapid pumice]

annoyed by someone making sure people dont get scammed?

[cinder cave]

Patience is a virtue, they’ll fix it eventually, they aren’t ignoring a broken game, these things just take time sometimes

[rich mist]

all you did was change the wording

[craggy dune]

Camera change wad a 'dondi wants it, after the fact' issue. A sort of not broke, don't fix it vocal retaliation ensued.
These happen a lot.
The UI changes are a more recent example of changed mind do it anyway that followed the same idea-plan after the fact.
Ergo the repeating of bring back heart monitor. Not as rude as the camera reaction one was, but still another "why do that?" From the community

[vernal iris]

Islecord is popping tonight, enjoying all of this reading

[rain tree]

They couldn't care less about that. They were powertripping

[vapid laurel]

Oh no no, they were criticizing what they saw as well. There were very few concerns that actually took what was streamed and the context behind it into account and instead just flipped out like crazy. Even the excuse of criticizing it early on didn't hold much water since, again, it was stressed to not be finished/have everything needed and was just a concept he was trying out.

It was basically like someone building a truck, people looking at the bare chassis and going "omg literally what the hell is this, this truck is TERRIBLE"

[uncut mason]

Ikr? It’s not like the devs are hiding that fact either the game has before you buy warning labels even

[vapid pumice]

so to be clear, we should just leave the scam bots alone until a mod naturally finds them?

[lapis trench]

I feel like it's smarter to release more things first before fixing the crashes to not have to fix crashes and bugs twice (once bc people are first talking abt it and twice after you finish releasing the rest of the bug prone stuff)

[rich mist]

the ht is unplayable if you live in an area with austros. sadly that means no more killing austros for me

[rain tree]

Yeah correcting typos is illegal around here

[wheat coral]

Ultimately, the devs will make their vision of the game and we're along for the ride. I personally want to see the finished vision because i like this game and the direction they are going with it

[rich mist]

im saying you changed the wording of what he said 😭

[rain tree]

They could have simply dmed the mod directly rather than throwing a public fit

[vapid pumice]

#general-feedback-discussion message the "powertripping" in question, in response to a scamlink

[vapid laurel]

[spiral birch]

hello, how play on evrima please ?

[gilded sphinx]

i think this is exactly what the problem here is....The priority is not the player base satisfaction but just making new stuff, what kind of dev pushes a broken update and work ONTOP of a broken update which just makes more bugs along the way

@cinder cave comon man, this has been going on for years lol, I'm still going to play this game because i love it but telling us that they actually listen is crazy

@hoary sage

Obviously they're always working on fixing bugs. Why would crashes ever be part of their vision for the game?
they don't have telemetry for crashes, meaning when you crash, no report ever get sent to them

[indigo cave]

Hard agree on this, a lot of changes feel totally uncalled for while not being improvements. Like, the UI changes would have gone much better if they had either waited for it to be complete and release it properly or simply not try to rework it for no reason

[sour prism]

good art takes time. the gaming community has gotten so used to quick release schedules from triple a studios and shallow gameplay that they dont know what to do with themselves when they find a project thats being slowcooked by a smaller team

[rain tree]

You hate the community and it shows

[vapid laurel]

Well...they did rework UI for a reason
They wanted it to be different

[cinder cave]

It’s an early access game, it’s going to have bugs and growing pains, it does what it says on the warning when you get the game, give it time

[vapid pumice]

ragebait used to be good

[uncut mason]

Exactly

[vapid laurel]

Scam links are bad though

[wheat coral]

Right click the isle in steam, go to properties, betas, and switch your beta to evrima

[glossy harbor]

if we live to see it xD💀

[rain tree]

You should know you're the master of it

[vapid pumice]

it never changes!

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-war-dn-scream-shouting-gif-17109544

[uncut mason]

Need any gameplay tips and tricks?

[rain tree]

The more things change the more they stay the same

[indigo cave]

At least in hindsight (aka the "new" proposed changes) it seems like instead of a bare chassis, Dondi wants a truck with no wheels... The camera works fine as it is, nerfing visibility for the sake of it just like the drinking / eating part is just artificially restricting the player

[gilded sphinx]

bugs are fine obviously, i mean we lasted quite years playing a buggy game! but the devs reaction or rather inaction is extremely annoying, this won't change anything but man they suck

[silk parrot]

Does anyone have a link or image of the map to it's current state?

[nocturne thicket]

do hope we dont get a repeat of whatever hypos were, tons of investment but literally never put into the game except for when devs sometimes showed them off in official servers...

[rain tree]

Fear me and my terrifying snarky discord comments

[uncut mason]

Ht or Evrima?

[silk parrot]

evrima

[boreal cove]

is austro still enabled?

[opaque coral]

Yo guys when bigger animals come out like giga will pack sizes be changed? IIRC giga had a pack size of 3 but that’s allos current size

[cinder cave]

That’s not how this works, they work on stuff and we see the end product, we don’t get to see how much time and effort is put into fixing things, sometimes things just break and they take a long time to fix, that doesn’t mean it isn’t being looked on and worked on

And we don’t hear about it because this community can’t be trusted with nice things, source being the camera incident

[vapid laurel]

I'd say it's less for the sake of it, more so testing out new ways to make survival feel more....survival-y I guess Like how the camera lock (when you're eating or drinking) was added to making said activities more risky and open up new ambush opportunities. 👍

It was really sad to watch it all go down since it was literally just him toying with what-ifs.

[analog turret]

You can always tell who doesn't want a survival game in here lol

[craggy dune]

vulnona.com and change the drop down to gateway 2.1 and you can paste your coords in it and track where youve been

[opaque coral]

What are they arguing about

[manic fulcrum]

That’s literally how game development works. That’s why it’s called hordeTest. Until it’s pushed to live, there will be consistent issues and there may be some left over when it does get pushed to live

They do listen though. Multiple things have been changed because of something the community wanted changed. That doesn’t mean they are entitled to bend the knee to every request we make. Because as much as the devs sometimes have bad ideas. So do we. Just because a vocal minority may scream in feedback channels about “removing pin” as an example. Doesn’t make it good feedback, nor a good suggestion. That’s why it hasn’t been removed. Because it’s a silly argument made by a vocal minority.

I’m not disagreeing that it can be frustrating when it seems they are focusing on the wrong things, or that some things go on way too long without being fixed. But I think people over exaggerate when they work up the devs being ignorant to the community

[vapid pumice]

careful, we've already had several truth nukes today. the world can only take so many

[rain tree]

You mean an anti-survival game

[lusty spear]

👀👀👀
https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/mM7EW6x7uXNTzlxnF?invite=cr-MSx3NDMsNDU1MzMyMDc2

[analog turret]

I think bringing the camera a little closer is fine, but if they pushed it too close they'd need to rework hoe the animals control to work better with a closer camera

[opaque coral]

Wait isn’t this the point of a HT, do you think they create new bugs on purpose?

[uncut mason]

Like the yellow/black

[indigo cave]

Kneecaping the players is no substitute for actual survival mechanics...

[gilded sphinx]

why do yall think im talking about the hordtest..?

[cinder cave]

HT is to find and fix bugs

[lusty spear]

Look at the background

[opaque coral]

Yeah ik

[lusty spear]

Behind the tree

[nova harness]

How to see what dondi has said in the past in the search bar it wont work

[cinder cave]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513

[uncut mason]

Someone die?

[rain tree]

I would be surprised if Dondi made it so the camera was permanently fused to dino cloacas

[lapis trench]

They were trying to put in perspective the absurdity of the other individual's claim

[nova harness]

?

[arctic sluice]

asset containment procedure in effect

[manic fulcrum]

From: 601609613594460170

[vapid pumice]

youve reached the far lands

[vapid laurel]

🤷 I think it's neat thing to try out at least

[nova harness]

tyty

[craggy dune]

its easier for the evrima fans to gaslight issues that have been ever-present and pretend theyre not known, reocurring with each patch, game breaking problems. since HT is going, they assume thats where the complaints automatically come from and then without question roll into the "NUH-UH" and "its an alpha" justifications.

[indigo cave]

Bringing the camera close hurts two main groups:

Autistic fellas that love to drool over their own dinos

Dinosaurs with backwards facing weaponry

And it of course benefits carnivores since they all attack with their front and in groups...

[lusty spear]

Anyway I have 15 fatals after that

[nocturne thicket]

their claim had nothing to do with ht though? evrima is buggy even if it is more stable lol

[uncut mason]

I’m bored, have a Dunkel with proper skin coverage

[vapid pumice]

careful, i got warned by a mod for sending don's id here once

despite the fact moderators themselves do it

[gilded sphinx]

I'm incredibly confused, have i been playing a different game? is HT the only buggy version? like obv im not talking about HT at all

[manic fulcrum]

I think that’s exactly why he was purely messing around with it. To see if they could find ways to make it work smoothly

[arctic sluice]

@craggy ridge lol the tree in the background. it still haunts me

[indigo cave]

Friend shaped dunk? That's a new one ❤️

[manic fulcrum]

Oh……well I didn’t know that. Guess I won’t again

[vapid laurel]

He looks self-conscious ;o;

[craggy dune]

No youre good. Its just a community problem that gets repeated every time the topic of bad bugs and crashes comes up.

[rain tree]

Hey remember when Gar banned someone over art of a dino facing backwards? I wonder why that was

[analog turret]

The orb

[austere kayak]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hdn-bo-2

[vapid laurel]

It has a second face...

[lusty spear]

everything is fine with the tree, I have a bug behind the Tree In the form of a missing map, it has become striped in black and white

[indigo cave]

What if stego, kentro and anky are given backwards facing cameras

[analog turret]

He looked like a star wars guy

[uncut mason]

OMG

[manic fulcrum]

I see I see

[vapid laurel]

[lapis trench]

They're also complaining that the devs don't care about the bugs and crashes and continue to ignore the community on it so they can add new things (this is simplified don't come at me if it isn't complex enough to deacribe the arguement in full detail)

[arctic sluice]

yeah I know. it's a joke my friend spoods would understand. might be worth to report that clip in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 ! never seen that yet

[analog turret]

What if anky couldn't look backwards at all cause it can't turn its head

[craggy ridge]

It’s the egg from Puss in Boots, lol

[vapid pumice]

like 3 days before that happened pigeon sent his ID so i figured it was still allowed but

[rain tree]

How can we verify he's legit without his id?

[arctic sluice]

[uncut mason]

What if they are given two cameras, one for each eye, so they have the range of a horse

[craggy dune]

someone ask chatgpt or grok how repeated bugs and crashes stay around for literal years. im curious what the ai's think causes it

[sour prism]

preferably not the hard way

[cinder cave]

The easy response is to say if they didn’t care about fixing bugs we’d still be with legacy

[rich mist]

i love it when i fatal error and i come back dead

[cinder cave]

Think for yourself, don’t let a big company do it for you

[craggy dune]

why couldnt they fix legacy???

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-gif-23424030

[rain tree]

Yeah definitely not

[cinder cave]

Too broke

[lost citrus]

dude what lol

[cinder cave]

Easier to start again than salvage

[craggy dune]

curious isnt defining my thoughts. its just curiosity. but thnx for the advice

[vapid laurel]

If it weren't so potentially god damn buggy, a perspective-based player rendering kinda thing would be neato. If your creature can't physically see someone, they just don't appear. So sure! Look behind ya!

Y'ain't gonna see the Allo 'till you actually turn your head towards them

[analog turret]

I'm going to make funny bug jokes when we have bug ai

[rain tree]

Dondi didn't want to spend his lunch money clearly

[hoary sage]

The codebase was unworkable and would have to be immensely altered to do what they want with the game. Evrima was originally going to be a recode as opposed to a total restart

[cinder cave]

Imma beat you up, steal your lunch money, and spend it all on cola canth soda

[vapid laurel]

[indigo cave]

When re-recode with less spaghetti code

[craggy dune]

weird. i thought the main coder did something for some reason and made sure it was locked up. wonder where im remembering that from.

[uncut mason]

Yeah it would be cool but to heavy to implement

[rain tree]

Oh sweet is that a new flavor?

[nocturne thicket]

well i mean i dont think anyone knows what the devs do or dont and to comment on that is kinda pointless, but its quite apparent that, for a reboot that was supposed to be a "foundation" for further development, evrima is still an unoptimised mess even all this time later

[analog turret]

Chicken fighter is the best dinosaur show ever

[manic fulcrum]

Tbh I wouldn’t mind a system keeping the current camera as it is, with the addition that when you turn around to look, your dinosaur turns with your camera, rather than staying facing forward

[cinder cave]

They got 2 or 3 flavors I think

[gilded sphinx]

simplified but accurate yet people will rather put their head in the sand and pretend the devs listen about feedback because the obviously loud bugs/features get looked at so people think some of their voices made it through

@cinder caveoh comon the legacy thing is a whole another drama and codebase unfamiliarity was a small part of it

[vapid laurel]

Sadly ;-; Though mayhaps it could be used in some areas...particularly water mayhaps.
AKA no more spying on others while entirely invisible underwater....

[indigo cave]

Who build mecha godzilla or whatever it's called? Monarch?

[oblique stone]

Actually its Not Monarch.

[vapid pumice]

i mean the drama was part of it but i wouldnt call the codebase a "small" part in any sense of the word

when you cant update the lighting without para/trike breaking, something aint right

[craggy dune]

this sounds familiar....

[indigo cave]

Damn 😭
They really went from monitoring and failing to control newborn mutos to building their own Godzilla

Oh nvm

[cinder cave]

You joined the discord July 3, 2025, and are complaining about bugs that have recently popped up as an excuse to say devs never look at feedback, are you qualified to speak on Legacy and why the recode had to happen

[lapis trench]

Early access

[oblique stone]

Yeah I messed up.

[gilded sphinx]

it was definitely easier than making a whole new game even tho i 100% think evirma is better

[vapid laurel]

Don't forget why they couldn't let us smell corpses!
Because then living players would be smellable, too! Same with smelling your own nest. ALL nests would be made smellable! Because....yeah!
Or how resting preventing bleeding to death was such a nightmare to add, they had to "hack" their own damn game.

It was scary

[cinder cave]

Do you code for a living? Genuine question

[hoary sage]

It clearly wasn't worth it if they ended up making a whole new game

[indigo cave]

No worries lmao
So are there humans villain organisations now or...?

[manic fulcrum]

If the devs didn’t listen we would still have NV that gave multiple people consistent headaches/migraines. Or no playable Ava for officials due to popular demand. Or the diet system being reworked basically reverted due to it feeling unfun to work with

They do listen. But just because something isn’t called out instantly doesn’t mean they don’t have it on their table of things to look at

[vapid pumice]

eh, when the base code isnt prepared for the things you want to add, especially mechanics as complex as those in EVRIMA, it genuinely is easier to just start from scratch at that point

[sour prism]

as someone who’s been playing this game since 2018 its literally never been in a better state. bugs and glitches are simply a part of life, you cannot have life without imperfections. especially when we’re talking about a small and self sustaining team. this isnt a game being funded by a huge company

[vapid laurel]

Better walls mean squat when the foundation is made of cardboard and crossed fingies.

[vapid pumice]

and all things considered, i think it was the right choice

[gilded sphinx]

how is joining the discord server with this account related to any of this? ad hominem much?

[oblique stone]

Just looked it up. It is Actually Apex Cybernetics.

[nocturne thicket]

12 years of development? 6 (or something i kinda forgot) years of evrima? imagine buying the game in 2015 and its still not even stable

[vapid laurel]

Game had to be essentially remade sadly.

[wheat coral]

Don't forget that dilos venom was just an insanely high bleed on its bite

[hoary sage]

The game fist released in December 2015, I don't think many 1st alpha releases are stable

[indigo cave]

Interesting 🤔
I may need to catch up with the new Godzilla movies (I gave up at king of the monsters)

[cinder cave]

I’m saying you’re talking like somebody who doesn’t know how things work, and pointing to that as a reason to something unrelated

[sour prism]

to say the game isnt stable is a gross misinterpretation

[manic fulcrum]

Again, a recent example is the “remove pin” vocal minority. It’s simply a minority of the community that refuses to let it go and makes it seem more of a problem than it actually is (not to say it has no problems).

People then use that as an excuse that “they don’t listen”

[lapis trench]

Ah yes I expect a game to be perfect in 6 years, even when adding new things with new mechanics

[vapid laurel]

God I remember it being said that was the venom, that's its ability!
-# YOU CAN'T JACK UP A STAT AND CALL IT A MECHANIC G O D
🥰

[sour prism]

i dont think the “remove pin” people are a minority

[keen scaffold]

isle and bugs go together like peanut butter and jelly. i love this game in spite of its bugs. just fix the fish plz

[vapid laurel]

PB&J, as they say, slaps.

[gilded sphinx]

i actually do lol, visit my github :)

@manic fulcrum crashes should be 1# priority for any system yet every patch crashes never get addressed, still crashing on evirma to this day

@cinder cave yes i do know what im talking about

[analog turret]

Anyways i am once again asking for scent to be more vague

[cinder cave]

Hell yeah, good on you man, and no I don’t think you do

But I gotta go, company just arrived, ciao!

[nocturne thicket]

where did i say perfect lol... just, like, optimized before anything else

[wheat coral]

I have never been slapped by a PB&J

[gilded sphinx]

kekw yeah ciao 😂

[vapid laurel]

Vague like when you walk into a room and catch a random whiff of some unidentifiable smell that brings back a 2 second nostalgic memory from years ago?

[sour prism]

this is a game by real people and the bugs remind me of that. idk. its nice sometimes to see oversights. do you people always consume art expecting every brushstroke to be perfect?? mistakes is what makes it human

[keen scaffold]

they fix the crashes. crashes are expected after every new dino introduced. its always been a thing

[vapid laurel]

Oh. Sorry to hear that.

[gilded sphinx]

again not HT people! not talking about HT

[lapis trench]

Right now they're adding stuff still, why would they fix things to have to fix them again right after? And it runs fine for me, especially with it still being in development

[craggy dune]

lol bro gatekept you badly, then denied looking, and then dipped 🤣
wp bro

[analog turret]

Yeah but it's like a dead body/some cool plants you can eat

[leaden cobalt]

Bye

[vapid pumice]

i rarely crash on evrima icl. like once every 3 weeks give or take

[lost citrus]

also this game is only $20

[nocturne thicket]

"sometimes" is a gross understatement lol

[manic fulcrum]

If the crashes never got addressed they would never be fixed

Some may just be harder to fix than others

[jaunty frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1417373227562569811/caption.gif

[gilded sphinx]

he is prob used to winning argument with that "do you code" question and asking that to a SWE 🤷🏼‍♂️
i don't know why he tried going for my discord joining date and then my career

[vapid laurel]

[indigo cave]

I do believe "early access" has lost it's meaning long ago... The isle is taking an ungodly amount of time to get completed (which is totally fine) but it feels scummy (I apologise, don't know what softer word fits here) to carry the label for over a decade... Yes obviously evrima happened but even with that it's 6 years of 'early acess'?
Maybe it's just my autism making me focus on words being literal but it feels wrong

[austere kayak]

no you are right

[keen scaffold]

i play star citizen lol. im so used to bugs and crashes by now. at least in this game im not $500 invested xD

[craggy dune]

we both know why lol

[fringe saffron]

Did they disable austro yet

[indigo herald]

Underwhelming

[vapid laurel]

Trust me, there's been longer who exploit the tag.
Much longer.
-# 7 Days To Die

[lost citrus]

I think it's that "Early Access" has become a broad umbrella term for a wide variety of release styles

[analog turret]

Early access just means you can play it while it's being made

[indigo cave]

Wish it got renamed to "under active development" or similar 😔

[sour prism]

oh you’re so smart for using my words against me. do you want a medal for arguing with people over the internet? none of these arguments are tangible. the most satisfaction you’ll find its a figment of your mind. let it go, for your own sake

[hoary sage]

You're being too literal. The game is not in 1.0, so it is early access by definition. Lots of larger studios stretch the term to mean "We're releasing 1.0 in like a month but you can pay extra to play it early!" instead of the original, intended definition of "the game is not done"

[craggy dune]

but i gotta give you kudos for bein straight with your reasoning and answers.
building a house on quicksand and then claiming its never the quicksand that pullin the house down doesnt work when youre talking to people who build houses.

[lapis trench]

It's like how subnautica is in early access, the game isn't finished, they don't want to claim to be good with what it's at because they know that have these bugs and crashes because the devs aren't done fixing everything

[manic fulcrum]

Tbh I can kinda agree to that. Evrima is going to main branch (soonish???). That’s when the game would be out of early access, who’s to say the same issues aren’t gonna continue being repeated as they continue working

[vapid laurel]

Some Early Access is "oh hey most of the features are here, just a few missing and some polish is needed!"
Others are "was this made literally today?"

[leaden cobalt]

The isle just needs a hug

[analog turret]

They release games into early access in order to help secure funding through early purchases and also get feedback as they make it

[indigo herald]

This chat****

[vapid laurel]

Hugs go a long way.

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hugging-gif-24006419

[leaden cobalt]

And bandages

[cunning sinew]

what ht servers have disabled austro? only eu3?

[manic fulcrum]

Hugs go as far as my arms reach

[fringe saffron]

8 years released, 8 years early access

[indigo herald]

Thanos did nothing wrong

[sour prism]

you all STINK i did not consent to this hug

[austere zenith]

HALO

[vapid laurel]

I love Halo

[vapid pumice]

mid game

[wheat moth]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-healthy-health-squad-dog-pile-gif-21966453

[vapid laurel]

You stop that you stop you literally stop that right now stOP IT.

[vapid pumice]

"several people typing..." ive made a mistake

[austere zenith]

I mean HALLO... :/

[nocturne thicket]

well i was just kinda discussing, without ever being rude at all, things in "isle-discussion" but then you started dogging on me for pointing out the game has issues...

[analog turret]

Dinosaur gamers stink bad it is known

[vapid laurel]

Hi.

[gilded sphinx]

transparency and communication carries you a long ride, if you're not even going to do either of those, then at least have a crash free game yet when called out you get some players that will happily defend the devs with every kind of excuse available

[fringe saffron]

im really wondering what the devs will see as full release, evrima is pretty far along now, most core systems are ingame, idk what theyre waiting for

[sharp pond]

AAAAAAH

[indigo cave]

Yeah, wish the tag (??) was ranamed (steam wide ofc) to something like "in active development" because it's rather misleading

[leaden cobalt]

[austere kayak]

like if it didn't bug it could be a whole game

[sour prism]

i was never dogging on you bro. if people start dogging on you on the internet you can always just take a step back. it doesnt matter. take a deep breath to yourself if you need it

[austere kayak]

could be better, but has a whole game there

[indigo herald]

Maybe human loop atp

[vapid laurel]

I mean there's still two entire factions needed to be implemented. 😮

[sour prism]

count your days man

[fringe saffron]

feels more like a shield for releasing buggy updates

[indigo cave]

Humans and what else is missing?

[wheat moth]

And ankylosaurus.

[indigo herald]

Strains, g1, g2

[wheat coral]

Gen 1

[lapis trench]

I think the use of early access to where it just needs some polishing is missuse of it. Early access imo means it's just a baby and can't walk on its own yet and blood sweat and tears are still going into it

[analog turret]

The cannonballs

[vapid laurel]

The Gen 1s

[austere kayak]

wdym

[inner jetty]

Bruh the ht needs a patch to fix the crashing asap

[indigo herald]

Hypo Carno coming to a mixpack near you soon!

[sour prism]

i fear for how they’ll release humans but mostly because the playerbase has been whinging about them not being in the game for years and it’ll probably come out so awfully unfinished and awkward

[austere kayak]

yeah the crash looping is unplayable

[vapid laurel]

No selfies, please.

[nocturne thicket]

why are you making fanfiction abt me icant

[analog turret]

Isle anky is radical

[indigo cave]

Wait now that I think about it... What are the wacky abominations even? Like, are they their own playable, they 'evolve' from something else or what? Things like the matriarch and all that

[indigo herald]

Hit up #isle-lore-theories

[vapid pumice]

lore

[wheat coral]

They will be their own thing, you can see their greyed out button in the spawn menu

[coarse nimbus]

a hyper carno would probably need to eat its friends in order to survive lol

[vapid laurel]

Would be a bummer not to see things like the humanoid strains in-game somehow ;o;

[wheat moth]

Don't tell me what to do!

[indigo herald]

No I mean, he’s eating the mixpack 👏

[sharp pond]

[austere kayak]

tbh i don't think this game needs humans at all

[coarse nimbus]

oh yeah based

[analog turret]

Don't make me post dented anky

[fringe saffron]

Evrima itself has been out for like 5 years and theres still some bugs that have been ingame since that time, i would deem the only thing early access about this game is that theres alot of bugs

[sour prism]

im just telling you that you have the option to calm yourself down. no one is forcing you to partake in this situation. you aint getting cornered against a locker here

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flash-camera-flashbang-gif-14820120581461492980

[vapid laurel]

EW

[hot hemlock]

minmi when

[lapis trench]

EW??

[austere kayak]

basically yeah, remove those and the greyed out buttons for factions no one is attached to and its all there

[hoary sage]

My guess is that the reaper, matriarch and colossus might be strains of Gen1 like how tisso, neuro, and hyper are strains for some dinos

[vapid laurel]

EW.

[inner jetty]

From what I remember theres never been a set in stone explanation just a bunch of theories

[lapis trench]

BUT MINMI

[nocturne thicket]

again bro and im not even saying anything anymore 😭

[craggy dune]

its literally impossible for me to agree with you more on this lol

[indigo cave]

I kind of wish neuro humans are pretty much Stephen Hawking 😭

[leaden cobalt]

Minmi is cute as me

[vapid laurel]

Minmi smells of algae and stinkyness

[hot hemlock]

good

[wheat moth]

E.W. = Everyone Wow
It's an affectionate acronym.

[indigo cave]

🤔 🤔

[inner jetty]

Would the wheelchair be a mutation or a lootable item?

[sour prism]

hosing down a minmi would be fun. give it an antifungal scrub maybe. like how you treat turtle shells

[lapis trench]

This better be right

[vapid laurel]

No it's not it's not Minmi SMELLS like GROSS!!!!
It needs one of those little air fresheners that look like pine trees on it!
TWELVE OF THEM.

[wheat moth]

You should prove it and say "Wow" at the minmi.

[indigo herald]

P90 9mm ?

[gilded sphinx]

honestly, man? just speaking from personal experience the amount of times i crash are still the same
I've always thought it was just me and then the bosch server came and everytime you crash you will hear many voices go "sh crashed" lmao

[indigo cave]

Part of it's body

[fringe saffron]

Right now it feels more like an excuse for how buggy the game is

[austere kayak]

i agree

[indigo cave]

Hypsi when submachine gun

[lapis trench]

You also know that Gory said he's talking with devs abt the crashes too, right?

[wheat moth]

||I heard they taste good, despite the smell.||

[trim elbow]

Did you say EW at Minmi?

[gilded sphinx]

those are the server crashes not the client sided crashes

[indigo cave]

Was this in any concept art...?

[lapis trench]

NO IM RESPONDING TO THE GUY WHO SIAD EW AT MINMI

[vapid laurel]

LITERALLY

[sour prism]

and i still love him

[wheat moth]

Replace the minmi with protoceratops, and that was the original. This is my weapon to use when Rapdex tries his shenanigans.