#general-feedback-discussion
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current raptors can probably 4v1 a stego since pounce works now 
just be good at utah and you die less to stego
I hope yall realise this game is fictional and the original game was based off literal weather changing dinosaurs so this "meta" bullshit is literal bullshit.
No, i pounced a stego the other day 7 times through full stam and it literally walked it off lmao
i mean, you're supposed to have a pack
Carnivores are extremely underwheleming when it comes to combat.
I did and they pounced it 4 more times
you're just pouncing it, letting it heal bleed, then pouncing it again
And it walked it off
As it should be, their peessence rn is satisfying imo
I play carnivore sometimes, its not that bad
a carno can also "walk off" a stego swing but that doesn't mean it didn't do jackshit
Fat finger typing
A carno gets chunked for half its hp or one shpt by a single stego swing. Whereas a stego gets outplayed and punced 10 times and its just "meh ill walk a bit"
Played teno today and that was just shite tbh
carnivores and herbivores should be equal in power, this is how it works in real life
This
you literally have no idea how low that stego was lmao
Then play raptor, ive killed 3 tennos before, was nice
With a pack of 5
Seeing as how it wasnt panicking and we nearly starved to death just fighting it, it was fine
how the hell do you tell if a stego is "panicking" lmao
Rock
It starts calling for help and swinging a lot
stegos aren't AI, not every stego is gonna do that
This one literally didnt care abt being pounced lol
Played raptor, most of my hour is raptor, just cant keep playing the same thing obviously
hours*
Hour* is all it takes to grow tbh
i've watched a stego literally very calmly walk around after being pounced over and over again by my pack and just drop dead, no calls, no indication it was low, just died
Listen man we can argue abt this all night but i know your mind cant be changed so lets let bygons be bygons. We each have opinions that are right to us
Its just that the carnivores against herbis are imbalanced. I feel that way personally but after so much frustration with the game I dont care too much about it now. @barren zephyr
Carno imo is kind of weird in its pvp pressence rn, its like a lion, a lion without a pride dies to hyenas
The ballance is fine rn imo
Yes but a lion cam take down a singular zebra.
i just dont think having herbis being weak or easy food is a great way to incentivise people to play those dinosaurs
Stego isnt zebra...
In this sense a teno is a zebra.
Im not saying make them weak but make it even and fair
a single zebra can also fuck a lion's shit up
Gotta read, wasnt talking about stegos anywhere lmao
Tennos cant be in heards of 50 to 100
don't underestimate zebras
Thats why they are stronger
Probably 90% of the time the zebra fucking runs or dies.
No fighting back unless babies are involved.
not really, zebras aren't so dumb. They're known to get violent very easily
Player count isnt going to be mainly tennos, thats why they need their strength
You dont aee an entire zebra heard coming for that one zebra.
absolutely not the case, zebras are basically hostile at all times
Survival doesnt care about your feelings.
Game wont run 50 tennis on map like zebras irl
And they are not.
do you know nothing about zebras lmao
Beg to differ on my game playing teno today lmao
Yes, being african is a good way to tell.
Had at least 24 fully grown tenos by dam
Zebra herds armt in 24
out of every animal to use as an example, the fucking murderdonkey is not a good one to prove carnivore superior lethality. These fuckers will kill their own kind because they can
Zebra herds also dont all go after lions
The game is shit. Yall defending a literal early access game which clearly has ossues.
issues*
Its been early access for 6 years.
It has problems.
Zebra herds arnt size below 50, and we need tenos strong to compensate for lack of numbers
This isnt bully simulator, its a suevival game based on metas and skill
metas is debatable but sure
Sure realism is cool, but... it sucks when you play a zebra like character only knowing youre only purpose in life is to feed the players who wanna have fun
That's why for both performance reasons and gameplay, we need herbies to be able to fight back
either that or be fast enough to book it away from the predator
Tennos may be zebra like irl. But the game cannot handle over 50 players in one small area, it just cant
Its even worse when either way, most ppl ganna play carnivore anyway and mass pack regardless of how strong the herbies are or not
yea, very true
Realism as it gets, you players create a meta that requires herbies to be op
they need to also give herbis unique niches to make them appealing
like how pachy is bone break bastard
Its the people who abuse that though, how is that meta
Like pachys today, 7 of them bullying tenos
Because there are more ppl who abuse it and youre the minority who cries about realism when no one creates a real life experience
How does that sentence make sense?
Sucks yea, i want more realism where a carno isnt killing for sport
But guess what, it aint ganna happen
Okay, brick walls arent fun to talk to. Have a great day!
I think u just dont like it when ppl tell you stuff that makes sense in terms of ballance. Ppl are horrible and that manifests itself in the game regardless if you want it to or not.
Best thing you can do is create a ballance to the over packing.
Man, a normal conversation sounds refreshing right now.
wont be finding any in this discord :(
Bahah
Dark_Raptor, why am I blocked D: All of your ideas have been so good and I wanna give them a little ✅
Please give us an actual, quick-paced trot, and replace the current "walk" with the current "trot". The walk in this game is a useless shuffle/meander that no one uses.
I think the walk ingame rn actually increases stamina regen and healing
also decreases bleed drain speed
ye but so does sitting, there's no real reason to use the walk instead of that
Find a bush to hide, sit. Walking would just blow your cover and it doesn't get you anywhere
the walk is helpful for mid combat? Or some other situations :P
I dont think you can always sit so...
You make the current walk feel like its forced ngl
if you see a moment to use it... then use it?
In combat, I can't imagine when you'd want to walk instead of hide completely; walk would reveal you and it's no good for sneaking away since it's too slow
it's not forced; it's not even useful. It's kind of a useless mechanic that nobody uses (that i've seen)
in combat you cant always go to some bush to heal lol
Tbh I dont know what you expect from a walk
it gives slight increases to things while just being slower
The current trot is a walk. It's literally not a trot; i'm saying if we put that as the walk and make an actual trot animation for when it's needed (when we want to go at a speed between a walk and run with a middleground level of stam regen).
or just straight delete the walk
It has it uses, no point in deleting
teno has a pretty decent trot all things considered
thing can basically just trot all over the place and be there in a brisk pace
See that's more like what it should be for all dinos; I know that emus/ostriches have a kind of trot so I don't see why theropods can't in Isle/PoT.
i feel like trotspeed is a balancing factor tho
if everything has teno's trot, that's bad for teno
If they're making walk animations for every dino and they're not being used it's kind of adding unnecessary animations, they take time to create
well yer things would have different speeds
at current, walk is useless for getting around since it's so slow. Be like if they had a crawl animation; no point to it
but teno is meant to have a outstanding trotspeed, and you can't really speed it up that much without looking utterly ridiculous
I mean I find the z walking to be helpful imo
yea i use z walking a bit in fights (especially endurance based/bleed-based fights)
its useful as animals like tenonto who want to constantly move their body to face their opponent but still want good stam regen and bleed to be minimised
i imagine animals like diablo will also use it
its also decent on utah to make sure you can minimise bleed and increase stam regen while still being able to effectively circle your target
That's why no one plays dryo, burrow is not gonna make a difference
for me it will 
im very excited for dryo to be more than just "runs a lot, the dinosaur"
You know what will make a difference? If they give people an economy system where you get points by actually surviving and completing life cycles where playing smaller animals with shorter lifespans will actually matter
being able to essentially "build" in a game like this is a niche in itself and inherently way more interesting than just running around and having a dodge that isn't useful in basically any situation
exactly. Some of my fondest memories of legacy were with dryo and hearing the colossal threats duking it out over my tiny little idiot hole
and the burrowing system in EVRIMA is confirmed to be FAR more advanced
you can genuinely customise the burrow to be sort of labyrinth-like in nature from what I've seen of dev builds, disorienting small predators trying to invade and creating (potentially) multiple exits to flee from threats
Not just the dryo, i'm personally a fan of stuff like if a carnivore hunts alot in a cave or something it could pile up bones and stuff like that so that if something else walks in knows that is some other creature's lair
Kind of like building a nest that isn't necessarily a nest if that makes sense
perhaps you could even get perks from it, thats the closest we could get from "building/crafting" while playing as an animal
@unreal ridge no need to worry about that, it's unlikely that species-based diets will remain post gore (they could, but a lot of evidence points away from that)
I would like to keep some species based diets and just add some gore to that
like if your creature (like rex) has bone crushing strength you go after anky and trike
but you would also enjoy any crushed bones/bone marrow to gnaw on
y'know?
with such a huge roster, there's not always a guarantee you will find a trike or anky
Just make different meats and bone be things to consider in a carnivore diet simple
thats why i tried to inflate each diet with about 5-6 options
Depends on ai ngl
so if you cant find that specifically you can find something more common, like dibble para etc
dryo ai good 
I like the concept for some creatures
you cant get worse than carno ai
like troodon packs and hadrosaur herds that just roam around
compy and pterodactylus only two good AI dinosaurs
hypsi
does not deserve to be AI
adds more life to trees
add a monkey or some shit
but dinosaur
monkey gonna get mauled by herrera
why spend some more money getting another model
good
when you can just spend hours of time and money making a dino ai
Thought you hated free food from ai 
and then why would I play troodon or para when those niches are covered by AI? I'll just play rex and farm the ez hadro AI by exploiting holes in their AI
i hate dinosaurs going from survivable and uniquely designed animals to free food
how the hell will troodon be good after they add trampling anyways?
hit and run tactics
unless it gets a pounce type move
(it's very likely to get a pounce type move)
how do you hit and run without getting stepped on? I mean you will only reach the foot of a dino
i believe i saw an animation of a troodon pouncing so 
you bite something, venom kicks in, when it chases around for you, hide and when the venom is severe it sits down, then you go back in
thought that was a little test animation
Haha walking go brrrt
Troodon dies
was it on a stream? or posted in a channel
it was on some reddit leak with a bunch of other animal animations
troodon had a ton of already seen animations, and if it was fake, that'd take a LOT of effort as there were around 300 total animations in the files
i dont browse reddit i just got sent a link
mhm sure...
can you get us that link?
idk if you should be sending it
i fucking hate reddit so much i only made an account because my old game studio forced me to make one and then i proceeded to never use it
i already did that
but yea, if they were to do "anky" as a diet option, the same nutrient should be given by turtles imho
they aren't nearly the same thing but they both bony as hell for that good calcium
oh, and minmi would be on the same list as anky
just classify it as hard prey in the diet menu :P
yea, like that
you could literally make "ceratopsian" a diet option and it'd be viable lmao
there's like fucking 7 of them
now put therapod as a diet option 
That's an interesting idea, actually. "Hadrosaurs."
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because dino ai gives more food and therefore is free food and therefore is bad
its more than just that
it's the fact that the current AI is DESIGNED first and foremost as AI
amarok can do whatever he wants with it without having to conform to a toolset or playstyle set out for players
and thus, the current AI like boars, goats and fish, can basically be given any AI behaviour and still feel a part of the world and not disconnect you from the immersion. Dino AI, on the other hand, acts DISTINCTLY different from its player counterpart and immediately makes you think "yep, that's AI, I know how to exploit that"
that is also very true
Dino AI... I have no hopes after seeing what carno AI was like. Idk why they want to bring back carno AI anyway. We already have enough carnivores
Utah packs will just exploit the damn thing
I wouldn't even be surprised if 1 utah player solos that shit consistently.
Yep. Also AI has a big problem where it just snaps onto you
Like teno AI was so broken, it would look one way and then somehow face you to attack
yep
Was so odd to judge the timing since there was no human aspect to it, but once found out. It's the exact same for each AI
That's the number 1 issue with AI. The same tactic will work for them all
exactly
Humans can adapt. AI? No chance
i fear rex AI, not because it will be a legitimate scary threat
but because it'll be a joke
Yep. Will rex AI know to run into a tree to hit a utah off? Nope
Or use deep water
Heck even mud
Or know to crouch to hide footprints
It will probs be baited into the open plains and picked off by utah packs
but it will turn 180 degrees in an instant to one-tap bite you and will find you even if fully covered in bushes
Oh yeah. Very cool. That's the AI's exclusive ability to differentiate between players. 
so it'll be both a meme and an annoyance
Yep, which sucks
Please, dryo AI max size for AI
well technically boar is larger
also who exactly is rex AI appealing to? It's not appealing to people who want "big predator" to rival stego because that predator is entirely unplayable to them and isn't going to go out of its way to deal with stego, it's not appealing to rex fans because they don't even get to PLAY the rex, it's not appealing to the horror fans since it'll become quickly exploited with a consistent strategy to always avoid risk and it's not appealing to people who love the fact that the game has a focus on PvP since it adds an AI enemy that dwarfs everyone else for no good reason
but max size for dino AI
I guess. I don't mind either way. As long as it's small
Pretty much. Rex AI is just painful... Only benefit I could see is players modding a server and playing as it lol
and it probs won't even be complete to play so there's that
which people have already proven that they can do
Exactly
It will get people onto the game to play rex
Which is probs a bad idea
Imagine some Youtuber playing as rex on a video in evrima. Bad look imo
less official players and more people playing buggy-ass unfinished AI rex
if you're adding rex, give us rex
(you shouldn't do that btw because it'd fuck the ecosystem up in all kinds of ways)
Rex gameplay would be get to sub stage. Now starve
all things considered, deino was the best possibly apex to get. Designated small-game ambush hunter that doesn't rely on a decent population of mid/large/apex animals
Or get so lucky you get so scavenge off a lot of kills
deino was the easiest apex-class predator to integrate
yeah
The rex needs to come when a lot of a mid and high tiers are already released and with its herbie counterpart, the trike
(i'm confused why trike was in EVRIMA for a short bit then gone even tho it could've been a better roster pick than stego for utah packs to hunt)
Do you think they should add trike anytime soon?
their focus on diablo is nice tho and honestly would be a great first ceratopsian for EVRIMA
Yeah. Also with the inclusion of diablo, we could probs get our first larger mid tier carni
not too long after
Small enough to integrate well, probably would have some decent interactions and hunts facing off against utahs, can fend off carnos and other similar-sized predators well with powerful horns, so on
also diablo is sized at 1500kg now so take that as you will
Good size imo
If you don't focus and get ambushed, larger carnis can kill you. However still have the ability to stand your ground well with the reduced head frill damage and weight
I also like that they'll add bary as well. We could probably have a great roster by this time next year. Hopefully that is.
carnivores i’m most excited for are bary, cera and herrera and megalania
herbivores are diablo minmi and probably kentro
i like troodon a lot
right i forgot about him
After update 6, they said they'll be adding dinos quicker?
hopefully
yea
Nice
i just want megalania
So by the start of next year, we could be looking at a lot of inclusions
i hope so
I hope we get cerato, galli, troodon and beipi this year 
i personally really like troodon
I think troodon will be a goofy fun
with mates, i can assemble the swarm
I'd like to see it in action
But I do prefer dilo, purely off of legacy. However that could change in evrima
i agree, don’t get me wrong, i just prefer the idea of sub megalanias having gang wars with herreras in the trees
Damn. I keep forgetting... So many playables
true lmao
@hybrid sierra they just switched stego and deino's place this update, you're suggesting it go back to how it was before
they want deino to cannibalise
Okay, then im going to be making a lot of people want to quit this game
checking to see if people are friendly is so dangererous
Huh?
its easier to just run down the river killing people and then playing
but man they get so mad and spend the next hour screaming at you
following you around as baby crocs
I see no problem with the diet switch
okay biologically it doesn't make sense as a fish is closer to a crocodile
crocodiles tolerate one another in the wilde more than they would a stego sitting in the water
The real problem are the river and their size
crocodiles do canibalize and it would still happen, but they would always attack a stego
do you see in nature, 100's of crocodiles sitting in the water together, that is how it is
but its not my game, its what it is
Because they know that its not worth to fight each other to death
how come raptors for example in this game get cramps
You cannot really replicate that in game
for eating one another
Because utah is not on the diet list of utah
So, are they more sophistacated than other dino's?
Deino are cannibale and its ok. The problem is that deino vs deino is pretty much "the first to bite wins" and you cannot flee from another deino (adult vs adult)
Not really its more of a pop regulation
I still wish river bed were more fleshed and less barren
I think the thing with the irritation of deino's is always wanting to not have to kill them or watch your back, its like I feel i have to kill them, because if I let up, they will attack me, and like you said, firts bite wins
Also, when people team up, like people that know each other, you just lost a 5 hour creature.
Thats actually not true. Its important to go under the enemies belly and you should ALWAYS use alt bite because its stronger and the hitbox is about 4 times larger. That is from a croc player that never lost a 1vs1 (defeatpete).
If you don't want to fight, just go away (but even then if another deino wants to fight, it will get you)
Really ? Thanks for the tips if you have other deino vs deino tips, don't hesitate. I find this match up hard asf
I haven't lost a 1 v 1 yet either, but I id say I have fought about 50 scrubs so far too.
I do not play deino, just heard it lol
Oh my bad
And i use alt bite its very good
Yeah i know about that
i have lost 3 v 1's though, although 2 of the 3 died, i think they hit each other as well as me at the same time 🙂
Same
if 2 out of 3 guys died when trying to hunt you you do not deserve to complain
Okay a minor nitpick I keep seeing when it comes to bary feed back is the claim it has no crest. It does, it's just way too conservative.
Which is weird for this type of game.
Why is it possible for me to starve to death while running across nearly the whole map looking for ai
What % were you
lmao yeah my escape as deino is just to run so far inland they dont wana take the risk
Omg i HATE the river bed, why there is SO MUCH places where the water is 50 cm deep
Clearly the actual rivers are not a suitable place for Deino
Yeah but like 45-50% Deinos are the real meta man. Run fast as hell on land, hit that griddy, and still have enough stamina to outrun an obese Deino.
Not to mention that they can square up with just about anything that isn't in a large pack.
3 Utah's? Yeah he can deal with that.
A Carno? Hell yeah he has more health, weight and damage then them still even at 50%. So lang as there aren't two of them you should be fine.
You're really only ducked if there is a stego, but I believe you can outrun them.
Tennos are also not a huge deal so long as there ain't more than 2.
Yeah 50% Deinos can only really be dealt with by other larger Deinos or decent sized packs of certain dinos.
@barren zephyr Deino cannibalism is intended
Before this patch Deino was in the same nutrient category as Elite Fish
Yea and now it's very hard to get away from cannibal deinosuchos
until they add foliage underwater theres nowhere else u can hide from deinos
Its easier with change on stamina and acceleration for juv but harder/near impossible to get away from fight when adult
literally got munched at deino 2 days ago as fresh spawn
it feels slower than faster as juvi
Run on land, you're faster and you have better stam
well ig i never did that but once ur bitten ur gonna get tracked with ur bleed
Well flee before getting bite
The river are so tiny, you can easily go on shore and run away
not even about juvi rivers are 2 ways passage you are most likely to meet a deino with a group basically game over
and deinos it's the first one to bite wins
for adults that is
Agree
I hate how the rivers, they need to do an overall of river and swamp, it doesn't fit Deinosuchus
I'm sure when underwater foliage along with beipei it comes with a wider river and a lake so but that will happen probably in another 10 years so
unless we get a suprise with u6.5 troodon and beipei which they say is coming out this year
@thorny lynx how do I express my love for your suggestion? ✅
doesn’t seem to even begin to cover it
@fleet helm first off carno Stam is good where it’s at it means you can’t play like and idiot during a fight and carno requires more skill now, second Utah’s pounce is perfect and sometimes it feels too good because it actually works now, and surviving as any carnivore other than carno is still very easy
Aww, ty <3
Seriously I could cry over current color options
If they just added the legacy options + new options

But no
My darling Caramel who I payed money for drawings and commissions of? DEAD and never to come to evrima? I don’t think that’s something I should need to accept
My rotisserie chicken based dryo? DEAD and never to come to evrima?
I mean it just needs more colors that’s abt it
And another pattern
There was nothing wrong with the legacy options. They could have kept those and added to them
It’s only a couple colors they need to add and a bunch of ppl want more so they’re definitely going to add more soon
Just make the legacy options available to all dinos (no herbie exclusive or carni exclusive) and then add the saturation and brightness sliders and any new colors they wanted
I really hope your right. Our legacy dinos that we fell in love with shouldn’t have to be left behind to die with legacy
The only one they really did a good job with colors for is Deino. And maybe I only think that because there were no previous options before
I think it might just be you that fell in love with your legacy dinos lol but Ik what you mean
^
Nah I’ve talked to a lot of people who love their legacy patterns and colors. People pay artists to draw their legacy dinos. Like I did for my profile pic
Why?
I guess you make this character in your mind and you get attached to them and enjoy playing their life cycles
Ah
I named a few of my characters and I don’t want them to die with legacy isle
@tidal rose the boar prolly disappeared because for some reason when you take a chunk of boar the body despawns
I don't remember taking a chunk, but uh, wow
it was just me and another friend, but maybe
@whole atlas they aren't updating legacy
I legit said evrimas optimalisation is so bad compared to legacy.
I dont get what you said
makes the game unplayable
basically
look at the graphics and look at the frames after
you also barly have a pc that's not bad for a game like this
Yeah, basically everything I play runs smoothly
it feels like they are't gonna bother with optimization till they do unreal engine 5 with nanite and shit, if so it's gonna be a while
which sucks
Then there's gonna be less ppl buying
potentially just ruining the whole plans with evrima
@fleet helm id argue that surviving as a carnivore is more skill based
the utah's pounce is the best its ever been, actually latching and not bugging most of the time. For carno you gotta actually hunt and kill other carnos for food
I have rtx 3050 and I'm playing like 10fps. Good job
Try deleting save folder could be corrupted save
Or lowering resolution if it’s really high
For carno mostly for Utah and dieno nah
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/999872646902730772
Looks like straight up JP: OG graphics
Das a nice virus link ya got there
Do something about stego tail swipes? The hit box is crazy on them
@inland apex I agree and i can add to this with the current river system, adult Deino would probably stay near the ocean, because the river are too smal (depth and width)
imo, Deino would simply go extinct (again) with that river system
..........why...in the hell is there a 6 hour cooldown in #general-feedback ?
so people dont spam i guess
6 hours tho? 
yea
lol
i honestly dont think its that much an issue 
@steady lotus wtf is your feedback supposed to mean
im griefing
lol
i really dont think he cares
im certain he is aware of this fact
he is
dinos indeed didnt have radishes
@frail stag thats an awful idea
itll just be PoT 2.0 if that happens
lmao makes revenge killing easier
exactly
aah the god days on pot when you just kill someone than you see a eotrike aproaching
im good tbh
what idea ?
requested multiple dino slots
lmao
exactly
the only way it would be good is if when you died you couldnt log into an adult dino of yours for half a hour or something
Did it deleted his feedback ? i don't see it lol
its on phase two requests
