ai-feedback-discussion

[light bronze]

i would probably switch to spino tbh. two places to hunt sounds wonderful

[olive harbor]

Is that confirmed

[granite smelt]

Devs have said something along the lines of some things will force deino to move on (don't know where you're supposed to move on to with the map being in the state it's in)

[olive harbor]

Spino was heavy but Deino and the other crocodyliforms were way heavier

[olive harbor]

Spino would be a threat but it wasnt built for a brawl like rex or croc's were

[silver raven]

Isle spino will be much bigger than deino

[light bronze]

i would love to move but i either starve or dry out like spongebob and patrick under a lamp

[silver raven]

And yeah, it's been confirmed it will beat it in a fight

But also much slower

[olive harbor]

Why not be Irl Realistic like if elder rex is 11.5 tons and that is around the femur size for goliath the rex then why wouldn't they match spino to Irl spino

Goliath was projected to 11-12ish tons by femur size.

[granite smelt]

speaking of realism, deino's stomach capacity & hunger drain are pathetic

[light bronze]

real deino maxed at 10 tons while spinos were up to 20

[silver raven]

Because irl and realistic means 80% of the species in the game are not viable and all of them are much more samey and boring

No venomous dino, not a single climber, no charge carno, and so on...

[silver raven]

Um this is false

[olive harbor]

spino wasnt 20

[light bronze]

Spinosaurus was the largest known carnivorous dinosaur, potentially reaching lengths of 14 to 18 meters (46 to 60 feet) and weighing between 7.4 and 20 tonnes (8.2 to 22 short tons)

[silver raven]

Iirc deino got downsized recently but idk what's the new max estimate, used to be 13
Spino currently tops at 7 tons for largest specimens

[olive harbor]

No Rex is the heaviest

that is by current 2025 evidence

[silver raven]

This is outdated by like 20 years

[olive harbor]

spino was longer

but not heavier

giga weighed more then spino by current estimates and modeling due to fossil evidence

[silver raven]

Also 7.4 to 20 tons is a crazy gap and should hint at how dubious the estimate is

[light bronze]

my bad i havent researched dinos since i was 10 XD

[olive harbor]

Your good fam

But either way the current Ai wouldn't sustain a spino either

depends how water bound it is

[silver raven]

Spino will probably be much less water-locked than deino is
Since it's supposed to hold its own on land

[olive harbor]

I land croc allot have to to eat and survive Got really good at fighting cera's. I use sustained rehydration and salt for base if I am a gen 2 deino then efficient digestion, gastro and Swiming speed for second mutations

[light bronze]

I believe they were pretty slow irl

[silver raven]

Also a better fisher

[olive harbor]

True

But it would be cool to see more bodies of water connected I wanna hunt players not ai. I also don't wanna starve with no ai its a balance.

I don't want a.i to be so plentiful that you dont hunt

but it should help keep you alive at least to 25% like herbies do with grass

[light bronze]

they should add some water herbies and plants. develop a food chain similar to on land

[olive harbor]

I dont think you should be able to fill up on ai

[light bronze]

maybe set it like grazing so it caps at 20% for all ai

[granite smelt]

Suchomimus is supposed to be the godsend for deino, but considering how much people already avoid water, I can see people playing nothing but land sucho

[olive harbor]

but the ai spawns could happen once you dip bellow like 25% for adults and juvis and subs much higher like 50%

[light bronze]

i think they would have to make water travel better for it to be viable

[olive harbor]

Aggreed barry is a good dino

[light bronze]

only problem is that big deinos would keep pet babies to spawn ai. They would have to limit it

[olive harbor]

spino will definitely push the deino pop down but again elder deino is 13.5 tons

[olive harbor]

that is why 20% is the cap for fill with ai

[granite smelt]

Rumour I've heard about water travel in future is the human walled areas at the top of east river will be opened up and you will have caves connecting the river systems. Which honestly sounds pretty cool

[olive harbor]

and also babies dont stay babies

[light bronze]

keep baby for ai. eat baby once bigger. repeat.

[granite smelt]

I think every apex carnivore will push down the current deino pop by a lot

[light bronze]

currently there are only a 1-2 big deinos eating babies when they spawn

per water source

[olive harbor]

if they treat A.I like grass and only allow it to help fill to 25% initially then it decreases overtime by lack of nutrients to 15%- then to 10% it will force player hunts

[light bronze]

now we just need a way for people to actually come to water

[olive harbor]

Or they could add a debuff like if you are not getting big meals you are weaker as a Carnivore Etc

[granite smelt]

I think diet should change as you grow from baby to juvi, to sub-adult, & into adult. Trodon & frogs being diet for a fg deino is silly

[olive harbor]

agreed

[light bronze]

a stam penalty will make this a must

[olive harbor]

should switch to boar for lipids and deer for proteins

for fg deino

[light bronze]

i havent seen any boar near water, maybe im just unlucky tho

[olive harbor]

they used to come drink allot

now they dont

[light bronze]

also dont see frogs much anymore

[olive harbor]

like a year ago before the teaser for dibble

The A.I spawns are screwed that is for sure likethe picture above with a 1000 turtles on the beach

[light bronze]

Pteras are EATING

[olive harbor]

Deino Should be a garbage can they ate everything and anything

[light bronze]

at this point i take anything i can. if it meat, i eat.

[granite smelt]

Having to wait 7 minutes to 'ripen' your meat is also bad for gameplay and immersion

[olive harbor]

no lie man I have to hunt deinos specifically or get my croc to south plains, highland or north if i want players

[light bronze]

water access is where i keep spawning and NOBODY goes there

except pteras looking for fish

[granite smelt]

West access pteras are the most vicious cannibals I've ever encountered (probably because they're starving)

[light bronze]

tell them to go eat the turtles and leave my fish alone

[warm sapphire]

i cant even find any turtles

[last bobcat]

@hollow fable where is that spot. Asking for a friend xD #ai-feedback message

[hollow fable]

bro there is nothing there anymore starving on my cera rn B-balance

[last bobcat]

😭

[simple dagger]

still get enough ai to just be fine with it... dont know how ya all doesnt get ai spawns ._.

[wanton cedar]

Hi

Does the game still have a problem with the AI?because My friend and I played with cera and we didn't find even the slightest signs of AI, it was in case someone could tell me some help please

[warm linden]

and as Deino you get nothing

[simple dagger]

well deino always had some Ai difficulties tbh.
not like its always been in a spot which provided plenty of ai to rely on in the first place. Surely i understand it got a bit worse now.

[simple dagger]

felt the same as i joined the hordetest (which we got on live now) and imo the most AI locations just moved again. theres still areas with plenty of AI and the more common spots now have less id say.. at least thats my experience

[graceful aspen]

I had o issue finding food and growing to a full grown deino on just ai. i cant even find a single fish in most places now

[wanton cedar]

Do you know any places where they can now appear?

[simple dagger]

south east on/of the vulcano if you spawn north.
in the woods around the south plain spawn sometimes towards the water pond.
west accsess north down the hill from human base.
west/southwest of east swamp.
just some examples where i can find lots of ai. less frequent of these is south plains since many peeps chill there eating everythign on spawn 😄

hope that helps out 🙂

[wanton cedar]

Thank you very much, now I'll be able to survive a little longer

[glad tangle]

Fish working yet?

[quaint dirge]

is anyone else having issues with deinos bugged nightvision underwater?

[split saffron]

Nope

[olive harbor]

I patrol there allot to see if i get a 30% deino but i mostly stick to my hunting spot allot of deinos to ambush and players. Then fish in dry times not enough to fill but enough to keep me alive. Can't wait for rex currently scoping out hunting spots in forests for rex Got the perfect camo for it too

I think they should a mosasaur ai in the ocean. like it would be cool Spawns would take two to 3 deinos to kill it

or maybe just 1 very persistent deino

[topaz fog]

They’re whole game is ruined because of elite fish and schooling fish, can’t even imagine what’s going to happen to mosasaurs

[olive harbor]

Why is it ruined?

[topaz fog]

Because u can’t survive

[olive harbor]

Its a bug they are currently working on too fix why do you think they have two servers you cant get into up

[topaz fog]

That’s a bug that continues over a month

Alright

[olive harbor]

Game isn't ruined its a bug. Yeah i wanna play deino but there are other dinosaurs that you can play yes you have to hunt players and A.I but saying the game is ruined is a huge stretch. Its been like two weeks not a month

The bug happened when they introduced trike and the map swap and that is barely two weeks

[topaz fog]

Continues even before the patch went out btw, the fish could just fly away if u see more then 3 elite fish, and getting closer it could jump into the textures

And after the patch, u can’t even see a single one

🕴🏿

[olive harbor]

No i was a croc there was plenty of fish

This isnt a game on hunting fish

[topaz fog]

Sry I can’t hunt for 100% deino when I’m 10%

🤷🏿‍♂️

[olive harbor]

I hunted other players and deino's and didnt rely on fish and when i needed a little something there was a fish. Yeah you can hunt other juvie Deino's

That is the first thing I look for and Gastroliths

you can't hunt a elite fish till 7.8%

and if there isnt a player i search for player bodies or I starve out to get more vitamins

[topaz fog]

Ur but did u see at least 1 schooling fish since the patch came out ?

[olive harbor]

This was before the patch what i said above. I am not playing my deino currently

[topaz fog]

U don’t even have a chance to grow

[olive harbor]

Then play another dino

[topaz fog]

Exactly, before it was not that bad as now

[granite smelt]

I literally haven't seen the white elite fish (the ones that give semi-decent food) since trike came out

[olive harbor]

Play another dino complaining about a issue after they know about it does nothing. Go play another dino

[topaz fog]

Played with cerato today I died of starvation, but I saw 1 deer but it just ran away

[olive harbor]

Use your ears

[granite smelt]

ok, how tf do you starve as cerato

[topaz fog]

Very simple

[olive harbor]

Thing is a garbage can you sniff and eat anything

[granite smelt]

being bad?

[topaz fog]

🤣

[olive harbor]

Hunt other juvie players like I dont know why these complaints are a thing

[granite smelt]

not trying to be funny, cerato is the easiest carnivore by a large margin

[olive harbor]

^

[topaz fog]

I’m saying that u shouldn’t try hard to find at least 1 ai in the whole game, have more then 900hrs and I played a lot of denos, if the devs want to add elder deino and for other the first thing they should do is to fix an ai problem so u won’t be able to die by no chance at even less then 20%

Sure most of my time I survived on deino cuz I like it, but cmon, should I hunt for land ai when I’m croc

[granite smelt]

The entire appeal of this game (for me at least) is that carnivore players have to hunt other players to survive

[topaz fog]

How I said unfortunately I can’t kill any adult in the game when I’m 10-15% grow

[granite smelt]

so hunt babies, or scavenge

[topaz fog]

About juvies, it’s more chance that u can see an adult who is starving as well and he will kill u

[granite smelt]

then stalk them until they starve to death

[topaz fog]

He will just go off from the server, I have less then 80dmg on the deino

Specially if u could see at least one of em

[olive harbor]

bringing your hours up has nothing to do with the topic at hand i have 1600 did you see me bring this up till now No.

Like stay on topic

[topaz fog]

I said about hrs just because before I didn’t see anything like that, not because I think it’s a lot

[olive harbor]

Why you trying to grow a deino when there is no fish. Especially when you know there is a bug

[topaz fog]

I’m not trying since I tried once and that’s all

I’m just searching if it’s fixed or not

[olive harbor]

I see all kinds of juvies and hunted just fine before the patch.

[topaz fog]

And since the patch came out I played 3 more days, cuz I thought, I’m just an unlucky

[olive harbor]

Its not

Ai on land is better and ai in water is non existent

[grizzled ether]

I've submitted bug report and this one for the community #ai-feedback message

[tranquil niche]

there is rarely AI i saw only one pig today at south plains, idk how are you guys about finding them?

[olive harbor]

they are all over the place

Hunt

use them ears

[tranquil niche]

yea found alot of dears 🙂 but still a bit rare

[last bobcat]

Does anybody know where to find goats? Or are they nonnexistant atm? I only manage to find deer and boar and rabbits

[olive harbor]

That idk

found them in North lake area

[digital geyser]

@last bobcat i got goats earlier as a dilo around the north dome / nw ridge area and a bit south west of there and highlands

[last bobcat]

Thx

[warm sandal]

Pleas add more AI in the water FROGS / FISH SCHOOLS / ELITE FISH i lost my 85% deinosuchus and die starving in north lakes on EU6 due to lack of AI really feels bad and west of effort and time ! #ai-feedback-discussion

[ancient lagoon]

are there even ai in the water atm? just swam from swamps to north delta without seeing 1 ai

[warm sandal]

ya need to fix this

[lost ferry]

Its stopped me from playing til they fix this, its every time a big update drops

[dawn flicker]

someone has a idea when the fish spawns visible or spawns get fixed?

croc is actually unplayable

[hard depot]

add some AI to swamps pls for the love of god

croc unplayable right now zero food

[grizzled ether]

We don't need more ai we need ai spawning fixed.

[grizzled ether]

I see more fish in swamps then anywhere else now

[grizzled ether]

We don't need more we need ai spawning fixed.

[hard depot]

not sure what swamps ur in

well either way fix it

[grizzled ether]

#ai-feedback message

Beach turtles and crabs are out of control

[quaint patio]

Guys, I just joined the server because I encountered a problem that Ai in Evrima almost don't spawn, this applies to all animals, I've already died a bunch of times because of this, I tried to visit all the places on the map, but there are no animals, as a result, in every game I die of hunger, i can't rely on other players even on full servers the island seems to be empty, tell me is this just me?

[last bobcat]

i can only recoment turning up the sound 100% so you can hear ai. go to east swamps, underneath sp close to the beach or highlands arround the mudpit for ai. delta also has some sometimes

in north you gotta go into the jungle close to the big bridge with the wall

[torpid torrent]

no, nothing

[torpid torrent]

there is AI just not a lot. they said they fixed it but doesnt seem like it.

[split saffron]

Minus 6 mutation croc to starvation 🤌🏼

[pseudo skiff]

I dead ass don’t think they’re going to fix this any time soon.

[digital geyser]

@quaint patio been finding the most ai - deer and boar around -50,360 south of east swamp and the new hollow falls and from east swamp down to coastal pond (see vulnona map - gateway v.020 - https://vulnona.com/game/map/)

nb. ai bodies can rot now

[silent oracle]

oh theres a lot of it.... its all under the map or in a single spawn point -_- absolutly wild to have to walk and almost dehydrate to hunt boar as a croc seeing as most rivers are absent of players even with random spawns on. only place ive seen repetitive spawns of fish is HL

[reef compass]

The ONLY place I have seen any fish, elite or jumping, since the hotfix has been Highlands lake. I swam from swamp through the delta up to the new waterfalls and am now headed to water access and I have not seen a single fish of any kind. I am scavenging land AI to keep going, but that luck is going to run out soon. One plus is that I haven't encountered one single other croc in all my swimming, and when playing other dinos, drinking is now super safe because no croc can get to any size anymore. #SilverLining

[silent oracle]

yeah i've lost too many crocs even on servers where i get free grows and my food and water are refilled. efficiant digestion is a first mute til this is all over. its tough unfortunatley i just hope they fix it before we all quit

[reef compass]

🫡 🐊 I share your hope that this is fixed, but my fear is that the AI was fixed enough for land dinosaurs, and so fixing the AI fish is going to be low priority. It could be months before we get this corrected to a place where crocs can survive again.

[silent oracle]

for the sake of my sanity lol i'mma try and believe a lil biu but i feel like youre right. however i do have hope like real hope cause they wanted to do the bary. which is a water creature, so realistically they'd need to fix fish before dropping another water creature right? T.T it would be against the gams best interest if they fixed it asap. Even the land ai is still jankey. the number of times ive chased a deer sound for it to be no where. even the sounds are off. theyre never exactly where the ai sound is the highest theyre like 20 yards away

[reef compass]

Yeah, its definitely not in a great place right now. Land is at least bearable, but its not great either. I do think that land AI was too plentiful in .18, but .20 is a swing too far in the other direction and littered with bugs. I am a Bary hopeful, but as an agent to get AI fish fixed, that's a long ways off. I assume Bary is a 2026 dino, given the issues they had with Trike and are having with Rex.
But, I may be too pessimistic, and things will go smoother than I am envisioning. The Monthly Dev Letter would be a GREAT opportunity for the game devs to clear a lot of this up and make the community feel better about the recent hurdles. When in the next one of those coming? Oh right... probably today or tomorrow!

[torpid torrent]

devblog today or tomorrow?!

[reef compass]

I mean, I assume so? Since I have been playing The Isle they do one at the beginning of each month. They having missed one yet. I don't see why July would be the exception.

[torpid torrent]

ohh

i didnt know they did one every last day of the month

[reef compass]

They normally make an announcement when it drops. Look for it today or tomorrow. And hopefully it addresses some of our current issues.

[brazen hare]

fish still broken?

[reef compass]

Seems to be. Not many people saying they are finding any fish across the map. Only place I have seen them is HL, and it wasn't many.

[narrow glade]

Water is still dead, no fish

double check the layers, double check the statements, double check spacing, double check language. Make sure the spawns are on the map and not underneath.

[pseudo skiff]

It would be super appreciated if the devs could even tell us if they’re fixing this any time soon.

[midnight pine]

Couldnt choose my spawn locations, gets dropped in swamp. looking for food and AI for an hours. Dies of Hunger.

Carnivore life matter.

[crimson tulip]

Can you spare some fish?

[sullen igloo]

#ai-feedback message

@crimson tulip its literally the first working day since the previous patch 😭

[next pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385354537770160160/1386119100018851850/Fish_Are_Fishy.gif

[near compass]

i had no probs finding fish in north lake as a bepi a week ago, but it was otherwise empty and then i got eaten by an elite fish i tried to take on lol

[woeful stratus]

Fix ai spawn not playing anymore until its fixed i spent 2hrs looking for ai around north lake water access and highlands could not find a single ai

i feel like there should be more ai for less ppl online and less ai for more ppl on anyone agree

[midnight star]

Hey hows the ai so far?

has it gotten better?

[charred dew]

only the land ai

[reef compass]

Land AI is pretty managable now. It's in New locations, and less than in .18 but land carnivores cam survive.
Fish AI is all jacked up. Croc life is just a starvation simulator.

[gray dirge]

How does ai work in the current build? My buddy and I have starved now twice as dilos on official server. Not a single AI spawned

[green bone]

are ai fixed yet

[wanton fog]

Tbh its pure luck now. The last hot fix broke the AI sounds so they no longer scream. They also moved ai spawns to different areas so you wont find them around hot spots and need to look around them. After hot fix ai just broke there is infinite ai on some spots to the point where you dont even need to hunt other players to get full adult.

But thats just land ai if you mean fishes they are curently non existent

[amber vortex]

Can someone actually confirm that massive amounts of land AI spawning in one place happens on officials?

Bc I haven’t noticed that at all and the AI also makes noises for me

[reef compass]

Dev Blog is up. Nothing talking about the current AI issues, but its there. 🤷‍♂️

[wanton fog]

Well depends what you mean. If the turtle/crab invasion. That seems only for unofficals but I mean more of they made the ai spawn in areas that are smaller but they spawn more offten. To the point where on one spot you can feed 3 fg ceras and 2 growing deinos only of of ai

[amber vortex]

Hm okay. I felt that AI spawns less at hotspots like you said but otherwise it feels very spread out and like there is never enough for a big pack to stay in 1 place

[torpid torrent]

Thanks for telling me. Hope the devs will look into it soon enough

[wanton fog]

Yea I thought the same BUT then I found the spot

[amber vortex]

is it the pond under vulcano?

[grizzled ether]

It's still swamps so finding them is always a pain.

[gray dirge]

That’s actually wild. You would think this would a priority 1 hotfix. Seriously game breaking.

[wanton fog]

Yup

[pseudo skiff]

It honestly has given me a new feeling about this game and the people running it. They can’t even be like “we are working on a fix” that’s to much work for them.

[opal cloak]

are ai fixed ?

my Deino miss me

[split saffron]

Hear me out, maybe they are adding more water ai of some sort and that’s why they are quiet about it 🤡

[rich oak]

Highly doubtful

[half mulch]

Maybe some ocean ai to hunt or that might beach itself

[rich oak]

Honestly I wish we could organize like a blackout or something, no one play for certain amount of time. They aren’t even communicating ANYTHING about the current issues rn

[pseudo skiff]

I really don’t think they’d even care. We’ve all paid for the game already they aren’t losing anything.

[charred dew]

most of the issue have lasted for months even years
like swamp being a dead zone , deino's poor vision underwater
annnnd we got things like cera balance and ptera getting a new take off and turning radius reduce (while killing its momentum system so ppl will try to use the air current which is not very reliable rn)

[reef compass]

No, not yet (not for the water). But land AI seems to be better.

[stark plover]

water ai went from bad to a different font of bad 💔

[pale girder]

I think that the dev are more focused on the trike Rex meta that’s why the water ai is nerfed to the ground. They want people to buy the game for the release of the t-Rex rather than a croc. But hurts the players that have been playing Deino for a while

[silver raven]

That's wild
People making conspiracy theories to justify a bug

[pale girder]

lol

[scarlet bobcat]

I have to die to become some lucky fellas food. wtf

[manic sand]

sums it up - I think this pig was laughing at me

[dusky lagoon]

many new players I've brought to the game prefer to play Deino and Ptera, the T Rex is playable on the legacy version at all times! there is practically no food and we are all forced to cope with the stegos

[carmine mountain]

wanted to play agaon but before i make that decision are the ai fish fixed?

[safe field]

+6

[flat prawn]

Is it possible that fish only spawns after server restart and then never? Because it's really frustrating watching myself starve to death.

[wanton fog]

Yes that seems to be the case

[soft nymph]

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[amber vortex]

For deino the best way to stay alive rn is do ceras job and scavenge anything that’s close to the water. I almost spend more time on land than in water. It sucks but I managed to grow a deino like that and managed to keep my adult one alive.

All AI seems to rot now so if you find a boar or deer take it with you and wait until it rots for diets.

[visual river]

grew my deino to 100%, no cannibalism, just camping bugged AI Spawn xd

[half mulch]

I agree and thats why im afraid to like the trike, Deino was the bread winner for Ervima and you see how they did it dirty

easier to grow a trike than a deino RN lol

[wanton fog]

can we please nerf AI this is just unreal xd

I cant even keep up with killing them how fast they spawn

[split saffron]

Where is said bugged ai spawn 😂

[dense stratus]

did they fix the fish spawn?

[carmine plinth]

Better question have they fixed anything

[granite smelt]

Land ai is pretty much fixed. Water ai...well, there is no water ai

[carmine plinth]

Pack of dilos I was with had to cannibals because of the lack of ai, my experience so far it seems far from fixed

There wasn’t even any ai in our migration zone and our migration zone last for almost 2 hours

Lasted*

🤷

Jsut my experience so far

[silent oracle]

A lot of beaches on the edges of the island you get a bunch of turtles and crabs

[tall sapphire]

damn where even is that?
i never seen so many since the update

[runic flower]

Pls vote

#ai-feedback message

[dusky lagoon]

what i could notice is this, crabs and turtles spawn only if there are land animals nearby, all my Ptera died of starvation

[copper torrent]

Not touching the game until you see the server notification for a patch is probably the best thing for me to do right now because roaming the entire map until you die from no fish is the most uninstall thing ever, such ass

I think it was last year or the year before fish spawns were out for longer than a month and that was rough, hopefully we don't beat that

[soft obsidian]

thats someones gathering, ai is actually so hard to find.

[wanton fog]

Its the small pond right bellow vulcano. Ai spawns around the whole pond as well as on the open fields towards delta.

[wanton fog]

Not really. They made it super easy if you know where to look. I was there with friends (ceras and deino) so I asked them to take all the ai we killed and they were feeding off, to one spot. Even after taking this screen I still heared multiple deers and pigs around me. You cant even keep up with killing all the ai how fast it spawns rn.

[soft obsidian]

it must just be croc then since you cant get elite fish, cant get frogs and theyre the main diet needs. you can no longer use boars, goats or deer in the diet anymore so it makes it so hard for a dino that takes 11hrs30m without a good diet its so annoying to have no ai around at all, not to mention the only chance of food for ai on the deers and stuff is by chance someone scares it into the water. other wise a sub juve croc is and under is screwed

im finding it hard as certain dinos to find certain diet needs, mainly frogs. they can only be gathered via a gali digging them up, how on earth a croc or beip is meant to get them without a gali being friendly, i dont know but it seems a little unfair for those sorts of things

^ same with crabs can only be dug up by beips im pretty sure and certain dinos that have a crab diet also cannot eat them unless a beip is friendly to give them crabs

but this is just my experience in the 3 years of owning this game, it seems alot more unfair now then it did before in sense of ai.

[amber vortex]

Deino got a huge indirect buff actually. All AI can rot now not just schooling fish and rotten food always gives you diet.

But je living of water AI doesnt work you gotta scavenge constantly

[soft obsidian]

thats what im confused about because boars, deers and goats arent part of the diet needs for a deino. so i cant get a good/great or perfect diet. im stuck on poor. i cant get a frog because its stuck to only a gali getting it

[silver raven]

That's actually something that should be fixed

[amber vortex]

If food rots it doesn’t matter rather it’s on diet or not it will always give diet. It takes a long time way longer than for schooling fish but as soon as you smell the rotten corpse icon it should 100% give diet

[amber vortex]

It’s kinda a core mechanic tbf deinos used that on schooling fish since forever. But sure if getting diet from water AI is possible again you could change that

[silver raven]

It's not
Getting diet from something not on your diet just because it's rotten is just plain stupid

[amber vortex]

It might be but it seems intended honestly since it’s been the case for quite a while now.

[silver raven]

It looks more like an oversight
I don't think it's intented to allow deino and cera specifically to ignore their diet preferences just because they're scavengers

Otherwise they simply wouldn't have diets

[soft obsidian]

The chances i find a corpse has sadly been so low so i may reset my deino and try again. Because im at a poor, with no fish or frogs around and havent seen a corpse at all

[blissful oar]

Not having schooling fish on deino’s diet to begin with is an oversight imho

Like, one of the few things in your area

[silver raven]

They removed it because deino isn't supposed to be eating schooling fish as its main source of food

[amber vortex]

For cera I felt it’s to encourage them to do their job off clearing corpses around but sure it might not be intended.

[amber vortex]

Frog

[blissful oar]

Also it takes ages for ai to rot. It’s not even worth most of the time

[silver raven]

The entire diet system is stupid rn tho

[blissful oar]

No carnivore is supposed to eat ai as its main food source

[silver raven]

Ptera ?

[amber vortex]

I tend to just use my kills as bait until they rot and then eat them

[blissful oar]

Aight my bad ONE

[wanton fog]

I just said it was me and my friends we had a friend crock in water there. We grow them there using ai since fish doesnt work at the moment

[amber vortex]

It could work well but some things are on diets where they clearly shouldn’t be while others are missing. Especially poor carno has like the smallest and worse diet ever.

[silver raven]

That's why I say it's stupid
And herbivores don't have it better

[soft obsidian]

Ohhh haha yeah ive been struggling bad for growth because all im eating is normal school fish not anything for my diet as nothings near

[sick valve]

How does the AI work, because they arn't spawning

[jade shadow]

they normally do after some time

[soft obsidian]

I think its around 10-20 minutes each spawn

[tiny bobcat]

AI have set spawn points. If a player goes to those spawn points and waits the AI will spawn. if you can't find AI that means that there's no AI spawn point there or somebody alr killed and ate all of the AI.

[split saffron]

This is not the case for deino atm though

[tiny bobcat]

Because the fish AI bugged lol

[wanton fog]

[reef compass]

That's how I currently survive as a croc.... scavenging dead land AI that some Raptor killed for the lolz.

[charred dew]

same, and some herrera decide to bully me

[dense stratus]

they are spawing on higlands pretty often

[half mulch]

Its just barely enough food value to be able to migrate and survive. thats the prob i found

[dense stratus]

idk i had no ai until 3 deino went to higlands, sudennly there was bunch of fish

[reef compass]

Jumping or elite?

[dense stratus]

both

[hollow island]

Someone feed me 😭 can’t find food lol

[lethal nova]

thats true

[charred dew]

guess they want us to buy multiple game copies so we can feed ourselves

[reef compass]

All those catfish!

[charred dew]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-cat-tank-lots-group-gif-17631686898485614619

[frail parcel]

Been playing on petits pieds cuz they just drop food instead.

[novel wolf]

i have no idea why the devs are working on new dinos

fixing the fish ai problem should be number 1

if a currently added dino is pretty much impossible to play they shouldnt be planning on adding another dino while an existing one is completely broken

[sullen igloo]

tbf the issue isnt entirely fish spawns and id say its actually one of deinos least concerns rn

after about 30%, fish should barely be a part of what you eat

deino needs a pretty noticable kit rework, which is confirmed to be coming

but i dont think fixing fish spawns so we have 40+ adult deinos roaming the map again is a good idea

[novel wolf]

it kind of needs to be tbh, the hunger drain is enough on a fg that you need to constantly scavenge for literally everthing

[sullen igloo]

yeah, no

[novel wolf]

if you even manage to get to fg which is a big if

[sullen igloo]

no AI should be able to sustain itself off AI when it gets to a decent soze

size*

that just leads to overpopulation in apexes (seen on spiro with deino, legacy with rex/giga)

[novel wolf]

then fix the hunger drain and the myriad other issues

[sullen igloo]

deino has the slowest hunger drain in game lol

[novel wolf]

so the fg deino shouldnt need to constantly be consuming anything it can get

[sullen igloo]

i mean that is the life of apexes

[novel wolf]

correction

[sullen igloo]

you put in time for extreme power and then have to consistently maintain that power lol

[novel wolf]

starving because theres not enough even when you're eating everything you can get

ive played quite a few fg deinos, and 10x more that died trying to get to fg

ive been in west point access, etc etc, and even at good server pop

often times its just not enough, deinos just insane rn lmao

[granite smelt]

Personally, I don't see how a kit rework will help deino with the map in its current state

[novel wolf]

you spawn in 10 billion miles from any player half the time, and there are no fish to sustain you as you make your way to a populated area

[sullen igloo]

generally making it easier for it to get around the map + allowing it to secure kills easier (alongside underwater sense rework possibilities, etc)

theres alot of things that could happen with deino to improve it that dont include making its hunger baby mode

[granite smelt]

and the populated areas are populated because they contain 100% safe drinking spots

[novel wolf]

thats another issue. its so easy for land dinos to find water to shallow to hide me, and oftentimes they're so nearby actual hiding spots its literally a coinflip whether the land dino decides to walk an extra 20m to completely bypass me

[granite smelt]

the one at South Plains, in particular, really feels like an exploit.

[novel wolf]

thats adding on to the fact that yeah its got comparatively slow hunger growth, but with your fg diet needing to be literally entirely players to survive, and the map being so huge, you cannot count on a player happening to choose your particular spot

deino is by far the most impossible to play dino rn

[granite smelt]

The biggest problem with deino, imo, is that to kill a land dino they have to be legitimately terrible at the game, and you need to kill fg land dinos--or other fg deinos--consistently to stay alive

[novel wolf]

also south plains and other hotspots are littered with places that sure could technically hide me (if they dont happen to be way too clear to hide in), but i need to walk 1000 miles on land to get there

[wanton fog]

most of the new ponds on the south coast are to shallow for adult crock to hide in

[charred dew]

just make deino able to hang in there with ai if no player in that area ffs
they already got high cannibal rate to control their numbers and there will be spino in the future
its not like a group of fg deino can roam on land and kos

[wanton fog]

so far I only saw cannibalism only bcs of food

[charred dew]

most of the time you can see other players but you know they aren't comming

[novel wolf]

i get i shouldnt be fluffing around with other players a ton, but as a deino its so sad because its legit kill on sight. if i see anything, ai on land, any land dino, any croc of any other size, beipi, ptera

[granite smelt]

Deino also can't seek out new hunting oppurtunities like other carnivores can. You can get every kill you have a chance of getting and will still probably starve to death.

[charred dew]

I don't do cannibalism unless they jump me or charge at me in the first place

[charred dew]

outside of hotspot its pretty chill in the past
help some small deino get their food and salt water mutation sending them to the ocean

[novel wolf]

not to mention the size of the drinking spaces is also a problem at times, a tiny dino rushes down and starts drinking on the other side of where you are set up and you rush over there but they run back up before you're even halfway

[granite smelt]

that would be a good thing if deinos were in anything approaching a good spot

[novel wolf]

i remember the days i as a fg deino could chill out in lake with a bunch of baby deinos and only need to make them leave once they got decently big and the hunger drain kicked in

also deinos being dead also makes beipis dead

[charred dew]

I enjoyed getting chase by beipi when im a fresh spawn

[novel wolf]

remember how beipis could lowkey ally with crocs from time to time and chill together if they wanted? not anymore

that whole water ecosystem of ptera, beipi and deino is gone because of the complete lack of ai

[charred dew]

doubt they will fix it any time soon

the new swamp remake are bad too
adding in a bunch of foliage
back before you can see where the herd is heading and get ready at the shallow spot to the middle island

[wintry vector]

the only way to grow a deino now is finding starved dead deinos... if your lucky

[split saffron]

Log in whilst starving in hopes that something is right near you, log out when hopes are crushed. Deino gameplay sucks now

[silver raven]

@desert frost there's been a patch to fix the AI

[pastel brook]

me when ai is not in abundance and you cant live as a megapack anymore

[fiery estuary]

the gameplay is stupid and you dont have to make it anymore stupid by removing ai

peak gameplay running to hotspot and having 50% chance to die and repeat

[silver raven]

AI is still there

[fiery estuary]

I play on petits pieds

[silver raven]

And it's even quite abundant in some places
To not say overflowing

[fiery estuary]

I want to afk grow from ai on petits pieds

[pastel brook]

iicr people were saying they completely removed ai play another server

[fiery estuary]

Now I just wait for the body drops on that server I know how they work but ai would be better

and what other server Im not playing on islander

with their stupid ass mutations

they left the speed mutations in the game

the official servers still have 100 player limits

You can cut the map in half and still struggle finding players until you run to hotspots

[pastel brook]

if your eu just deal with it IG dont complain about another server disabling AI and blaming it on the devs

[fiery estuary]

I would blame it on the devs cant fix an ai spawn system in 5 days

there is literally one dev responsible for that alone

[pastel brook]

if you play on petits and they disabled AI thats not on the devs

they dont own petits

[fiery estuary]

They disabled it because it crashes the server

[pastel brook]

no it doesnt.

[fiery estuary]

Because they broke the ai it overspawns

[pastel brook]

it does if you have increased AI

[fiery estuary]

They cant decrease it

Cuz thats broken too

[pastel brook]

then how do you explain officials and literally every other server why is it just petits?

[fiery estuary]

Or at least which ai can spawn

[pastel brook]

why dont they crash

[fiery estuary]

Because it has 300 players and their goofy ass code its tripping

or its because its windows server

they did the same on islander

[pastel brook]

could it perhaps be the 300 players + what they also have on the server that is tripping it

cause like the games not meant to handle 300 players lol

[fiery estuary]

The players arent the problem sir thats what happens when you make a big ass map

Maybe they should consider not having broken ai spawns

[pastel brook]

I dont know man

[fiery estuary]

Because outside of that it runs as smooth as official servers

[pastel brook]

they do corpse cleanups every 30mins - 1hr ofc it runs smooth

they are removing clutter but officials wont do that cause it kinda ruins some animals gameplay styles

[fiery estuary]

The corpses should not effect the server performance anyway

Only fps

[pastel brook]

no it does affect server performance

[fiery estuary]

The officials have far trasher server thats why

[pastel brook]

this is a dumb conversation

[fiery estuary]

The corpse clean up doesnt do anything dude

Ur basing it off nothing

[silver raven]

If it works on official servers, there is nothing to complain about

[pastel brook]

you are saying ai is broken cause a server that has 340 players (which is a insane feat) has diabled it

[fiery estuary]

My ping never goes up because of corpses

[silver raven]

If an unofficial server owner changes settings on their own server and it crashes their game that's their fault, not the devs'

[fiery estuary]

The official servers are diarhea

They can leave their settings on default it would still overspawn probably because of player count

The code detects 3x more players and thinks it has to spawn 20x as much

Its ok dont blame the early access game

[gray vector]

more fish no frogs too. i am 80% with sure luck and always on Starvation....Deinosuchus almost unplayable

[frail parcel]

what a joke

[bitter spruce]

I legit didn't starve to death when searching for food because a pig spawned standing still in the middle of the river.

[dapper citrus]

I've only ever seen animals, deer mostly, spooked and they run out into the river.. I've yet to see any come down to get a drink and if any are near the water they spot you way off and run off. I know they're not on the diet list but it would make things a bit easier if I could snag a boar or something off the shore from time to time without having to try and hunt one down or get it in the water.

[orchid geode]

elite fish have the same problem land ai had, i can verify this now. They are still there but invisible and only appear if you are close enough, the problem is they swim away before you get close enough to see them i think. I have been able to find some by guessing where they might be and trying to box them in

it is ridiculously tedious and hard work though

[dapper citrus]

When I see the elites they just kind of bounce up and down, I can see them pretty far off but they're so few and far between. I think I may have found a spawn but twice is not enough information. Still would be nice to just snag a deer or something. I saw one just 20 minutes ago near the shore and it bugged out as I was swimming towards it while I was under water

really the best way to play is mixpacking.. I had a buddy that was playing a large land carn and he'd bring stuff to the shore for me and a rando. it was entertaining until he got hunted down by a couple of others

[orchid geode]

you are on my black list now, whenever i see your name, its on sight

[dapper citrus]

uh.. okay? Not like you can see names anyways..

10,180 is where I was having luck finding Elites though

[kind trout]

Honestly you have to just be lucky, I was in petit pieds and i lived out of bodies and i've got a perfect diet now

just while the devs are fixing this

(if they are)

[dapper citrus]

I was looking at the unoffical servers but the bit I played I didnt really notice a difference with AI even when it said increased AI spawn

I've only ever been able to get one nutri at a time.. either from the elite fish I randomly find or that random cern I scavenged

[dapper citrus]

I really hope they are, alot of complaints about this.

[kind trout]

I've got food from dead bodies of other players

not AI

soo i've got pretty lucky

[dapper citrus]

That was the Carn* I found.. only once though cause generally they're far in land

I wouldn't mind seeing AI dinos like the Carn or Deins etc

[kind trout]

I think the game lacks in player interaction

the map is just build so people keep distance between themselves

You could just camp one area for your whole life and don't see a single soul

[livid sonnet]

It's almost impossible to play as a carnivore and not die of hunger. There are few AI on the map and I think they should add the appearance of AI animals in case of low hunger to supply

[clever wedge]

My game looks terrible since a few months after the new map everything is unsharp and washy it once was good I tried everything and nothing works I deleted the game reinstalled it I tried to delete the config file it respawned it’s just dogsht I can’t play without those ugly texture unsharp picture and disgusting quality can anyone please help me (and not say turn up 3d Resolution I have everything ingame on max no v sync and nothing)

Since the maya release I think is my game so bad before it was great

[fiery estuary]

did u update gpu driver too

[hollow forge]

I believe that if instead of hundreds of feedbacks we were leaving hundreds of bad steam reviews we would have fish spawning even on the trees by now

[grizzled ether]

The issue with AI is the AI spawn mapping.

Crab and turtles do not despawn with this new mapping and the player detection mesh is not aligned / spread out properly, only specific spots are triggering the ai spawning.

This issue fills up any potential spawn slots which hurts fish spawning and other land ai spawning a lot.

The only reason I can see why this has not been fixed is that the devs are not aware of what the issue is but just see people saying no fish, fix ai spawns etc.

Please submit a trouble ticket for your official server stating this issue.

[carmine mountain]

Weekly check, any updates on water AI?

[tawdry halo]

EU4 Server have bad AI on North lake. Im hungry and will die with my deino 90%+

sry i mean EU Server 5

[midnight dune]

Deer are truly hyper-aware, and it's annoying while trying to sneak up on one for a snack

[ripe trellis]

AI spawn is alright 😉

[narrow glade]

This is a zip file of a demo I came up with for the AI. Do with it as you please. I am just tired of no fish

[thorny dragon]

Don't post random zips in here, please

[narrow glade]

My bad, I just wanted to try n give a demo of some work for the AI spawn issues @thorny dragon

[thorny dragon]

If you can find another way of sharing it feel free to, but we don't allow posting file downloads like that just for basic security purposes

[narrow glade]

I could maybe paste the code in bits.

#pragma once

#include "CoreMinimal.h"
#include "GameFramework/Actor.h"
#include "AISpawnZone.generated.h"

UENUM(BlueprintType)
enum class EZoneType : uint8
{
Aquatic UMETA(DisplayName = "Aquatic"),
Terrestrial UMETA(DisplayName = "Terrestrial"),
Mixed UMETA(DisplayName = "Mixed")
};

UCLASS(Blueprintable, ClassGroup=(AI), meta=(BlueprintSpawnableComponent))
class AISPAWNSYSTEM_API AAISpawnZone : public AActor
{
GENERATED_BODY()

public:
AAISpawnZone(); @thorny dragon is this okay?

[thorny dragon]

Sure though I doubt it's at all applicable to the Isle's project

[narrow glade]

protected:
virtual void BeginPlay() override;

UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, BlueprintReadWrite, Category = "Spawning")
EZoneType ZoneType = EZoneType::Mixed;

UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, BlueprintReadWrite, Category = "Spawning")
float SpawnRadius = 1000.0f;

UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, BlueprintReadWrite, Category = "Spawning")
int32 MaxAISpawnCount = 10;

UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, BlueprintReadWrite, Category = "Spawning")
float IdleSpawnInterval = 600.0f;

UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, BlueprintReadWrite, Category = "Spawning")
TSubclassOf<AActor> AquaticAIClass;

UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, BlueprintReadWrite, Category = "Spawning")
TSubclassOf<AActor> TerrestrialAIClass;

UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, BlueprintReadWrite, Category = "Spawning")
float PriorityWeight = 1.0f;

FTimerHandle IdleSpawnTimer;

UPROPERTY(VisibleAnywhere)
TArray<AActor*> SpawnedAI;

UFUNCTION(BlueprintCallable, Category = "AI Spawning")
void ManualIdleSpawn();

UFUNCTION(BlueprintCallable, Category = "AI Spawning")
void ManualPlayerSpawn(FVector PlayerLocation);

void SpawnAIAtLocation(const FVector& Origin, int32 Count, bool bIsAquatic);
void HandleIdleSpawn();

public:
UFUNCTION()
void TriggerPlayerSpawn(AActor* OverlappedActor, AActor* OtherActor);
};
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#include "AISpawnZone.h"
#include "TimerManager.h"
#include "Kismet/KismetMathLibrary.h"
#include "Engine/World.h"

AAISpawnZone::AAISpawnZone()
{
PrimaryActorTick.bCanEverTick = false;
}

void AAISpawnZone::BeginPlay()
{
Super::BeginPlay();
GetWorldTimerManager().SetTimer(IdleSpawnTimer, this, &AAISpawnZone::HandleIdleSpawn, IdleSpawnInterval, true);
OnActorBeginOverlap.AddDynamic(this, &AAISpawnZone::TriggerPlayerSpawn);
}

void AAISpawnZone::HandleIdleSpawn()
{

if (SpawnedAI.Num() >= MaxAISpawnCount) return;
FVector ZoneCenter = GetActorLocation();
int32 SpawnAmount = FMath::Clamp(FMath::FloorToInt(PriorityWeight * 3), 1, MaxAISpawnCount - SpawnedAI.Num());

switch (ZoneType)
{
    case EZoneType::Aquatic: SpawnAIAtLocation(ZoneCenter, SpawnAmount, true); break;
    case EZoneType::Terrestrial: SpawnAIAtLocation(ZoneCenter, SpawnAmount, false); break;
    case EZoneType::Mixed:
        SpawnAIAtLocation(ZoneCenter, SpawnAmount / 2, true);
        SpawnAIAtLocation(ZoneCenter, SpawnAmount / 2, false);
        break;
}

}

void AAISpawnZone::TriggerPlayerSpawn(AActor* OverlappedActor, AActor* OtherActor)
{
if (!OtherActor || SpawnedAI.Num() >= MaxAISpawnCount) return;

FVector PlayerLocation = OtherActor->GetActorLocation();
int32 SpawnAmount = FMath::Clamp(FMath::CeilToInt(PriorityWeight * 2), 1, MaxAISpawnCount - SpawnedAI.Num());

switch (ZoneType)
{
    case EZoneType::Aquatic: SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount, true); break;
    case EZoneType::Terrestrial: SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount, false); break;
    case EZoneType::Mixed:
        SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount / 2, true);
        SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount / 2, false);
        break;

}
}

void AAISpawnZone::TriggerPlayerSpawn(AActor* OverlappedActor, AActor* OtherActor)
{
if (!OtherActor || SpawnedAI.Num() >= MaxAISpawnCount) return;

FVector PlayerLocation = OtherActor->GetActorLocation();
int32 SpawnAmount = FMath::Clamp(FMath::CeilToInt(PriorityWeight * 2), 1, MaxAISpawnCount - SpawnedAI.Num());

switch (ZoneType)
{
    case EZoneType::Aquatic: SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount, true); break;
    case EZoneType::Terrestrial: SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount, false); break;
    case EZoneType::Mixed:
        SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount / 2, true);
        SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount / 2, false);
        break;
}

}

void AAISpawnZone::ManualIdleSpawn()
{
HandleIdleSpawn();
}
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void AAISpawnZone::ManualPlayerSpawn(FVector PlayerLocation)
{
if (SpawnedAI.Num() >= MaxAISpawnCount) return;
int32 SpawnAmount = FMath::Clamp(FMath::CeilToInt(PriorityWeight * 2), 1, MaxAISpawnCount - SpawnedAI.Num());

switch (ZoneType)
{
    case EZoneType::Aquatic: SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount, true); break;
    case EZoneType::Terrestrial: SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount, false); break;
    case EZoneType::Mixed:
        SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount / 2, true);
        SpawnAIAtLocation(PlayerLocation, SpawnAmount / 2, false);
        break;
}

}

void AAISpawnZone::SpawnAIAtLocation(const FVector& Origin, int32 Count, bool bIsAquatic)
{
UWorld* World = GetWorld();
if (!World) return;

TSubclassOf<AActor> ChosenAIClass = bIsAquatic ? AquaticAIClass : TerrestrialAIClass;
if (!ChosenAIClass) return;

for (int32 i = 0; i < Count; ++i)
{
    FVector Offset = UKismetMathLibrary::RandomUnitVector() * FMath::FRandRange(200.f, SpawnRadius);

FVector SpawnLocation = Origin + Offset;
AActor* NewAI = World->SpawnActor<AActor>(ChosenAIClass, SpawnLocation, FRotator::ZeroRotator);
if (NewAI)
{
SpawnedAI.Add(NewAI);
}
}
}

Hope you take a look and it maybe inspire an idea if it doesn't help.

[split saffron]

community putting in more effort to fix the issue than the devs, based

[little furnace]

sounds bout right

[narrow glade]

btw this code should make spawns regional to players over a wider base and keep the overall AI pop down depending on the pop in the area. Should keep the timer within 10 min

[dapper citrus]

This might help

[bitter spruce]

Oh no, it's the frog flood allover again

[bitter spruce]

So like... this can be used in unofficials?? (I am horribly ignorant on code)

[narrow glade]

yea i don't usually drop code in dis. i just broke it up, mmm idk if you could plug it into unofficial but you could try i suppose.

[narrow glade]

I suppose if you can access the source code and manipulate it on unofficials i suppose you might be able to, though I only posted a demo, and untested, I just know they were writing in C++ and wrote it so it could potentially be useful and applicable

[frail parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-6-grand-theft-auto-6-gta-meme-gta-6-meme-benjammins-gif-16007469169940688262

[narrow glade]

lmk what ya'll think

[uncut holly]

Is it a code reason that you can't fix? Or whats the deal with the AI? Cuz you get feedback everyday about it and nothing is changing. Maybe try the codes the player gives you?

[thorny dragon]

I'm not a developer

[uncut holly]

Yeah but I thought maybe as a Mod you maybe had some insight or so, but I was wrong

[compact bolt]

Guy I’m getting stressed here is there any fish as I can get shite haha

[inner sandal]

can we get more ai?????

[reef compass]

I already reviewed the game on Steam and gave a positive review. Is it possible for me to change that review to a negative review, and then change it back again when they fix the AI? I would like to use that to communicate my disappointment in the current state of the game, but not completely destroy reviews of the game forever.

[bitter spruce]

I can only guess they haven't touch the ai because they're trying to finish rex to release him. Most likely we'll see a fix when rex drops

[still tulip]

You can edit your review. Should be an option if you find your review and just go to the 3 dots in the top right corner of it.

[dapper citrus]

It's a pain to find them, all I can suggest is to move along the shore line and keep your eyes open. Best luck I've had is out in the delta

[dapper citrus]

Don't "sprint" just kind of slow boat it along. This has worked best for me but I still starve from time to time. Those pesky deinos take alot of food

[split saffron]

5 days of gameplay on my deino, forced to log out and beg friends to feed me due to starvation. Highlands LITERALLY has no spawns, im feeding soley on other dinos. Oddly enough when a trike thats standing ontop of my food runs into the water, fish spawn! Wonderful game, 10/10

[dapper citrus]

I was playing last night and had a baby and a juvi deino following me around (I dont like to attack other deinos). We were getting decent spawns in the area but the fish were still pretty rare.

Also.. whats a juvi or that adorable little baby deino gonna do for me? Nothing at all.. I caught a Pteredon out of the air once and it barely moved my hunger bar.

(if you havent seen a hatchling deino I highly recommend it, it makes some cute little noises lol)

[dapper citrus]

If you can head south to the gorge river, I havent been there myself but I heard people say theyve had luck hunting near a water fall out there for fish

[split saffron]

ive been everywhere theres no fish bro

South plains? empty. North lake? empty. River delta? empty. Highlands? empty.

didnt waste time to check the smaller lakes/ponds because of food scarcity.

[dapper citrus]

Best I've ever done for just fish schooling and elite is the Delta.

I'm having fun in East lake now but its kind of rough.

[compact bolt]

Thanks guys I’ll try again after work

[reef compass]

Ok, last night I was on an Official server with a low pop, 23/100. I was a Stego, grouped with another Stego, in the delta area. I saw jumping fish and TWO elite fish within 20 meters of each other. Both elite fish started 'swimming' onto land, so obviously they were doing weird crap. But, I actually saw AI fish. I suspect the lower server pop had a factor in that.

[verbal relic]

Ive been seeing some people speculate that when the player count goes high enough the AI just breaks, quite possible that thats the case

[narrow glade]

nah i've been on during low pop hours it doesn't change, just specific hot spots that pop up and disappear

they spawn alot when you first log in but after they gone, they gone

[charred dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1318495694041911297/1335938696507162676/lookaround.gif

[glad tangle]

Does the AI currently work on officials properly?

[floral edge]

no...

[tiny bobcat]

Yes, i see it all the time. except for Fish lol

[desert frost]

I confirm. I saw this yesterday. A rabbit and a boar in the water, I managed to catch and eat two of them

[glacial vigil]

dude and the rabbits dont even move

[desert frost]

I know

[split saffron]

Trikes spawn fish

Spread the word

[icy pagoda]

Is this the way the underwater should look at 2pm with submerged optical retention mutation?

[pale girder]

no the whole water enviroment of the game is broken.

[woven perch]

Ai is still broken i see and no one has acknowledged it

[main wadi]

I think that there is a very large issue with ai. it seems concentrated to crabs and sea turtles on the beach, no matter what dino is around. I have tested spawns in many areas, even in highlands I am unable to find boar or deer. goats no longer spawn where there are mountains and grasslands, and fish hardly spawn in lakes for deino. this is creating a huge hot spot area in the sp beach and alongside it. it's very unfortunate because even deino is becoming more saltwater, not being in streams, in most areas you can safely drink to your hearts content as a carno or cerato. this is inflating their numbers I would say as well, as they can pick off raptors from the beach easily, and then go up to the highlands to drink. it's become somewhat of a death match for survival for carnivores, which is not what I enjoy. I've tested herbivore spawns for food and they are perfect, and as intended, but with lack of spawns for carnivores, it's also more difficult to control trike populations. if a carnivore is going to camp beaches for food, they are less likely to find a young herbivore of any kind to hunt, and with the most popular being trike right now, they are a deadly and bountiful population. thanks for hearing my analysis, and please know I rarely come on here to complain... it's just gotten very bad, so I hope you find a fix to this! have a good one.

here was my post to the feedback area... but I'd like to know if anyone else has more to add?

[grizzled ether]

@main wadi ref #ai-feedback message for the ai issue.

[main wadi]

oh, yeah, i did that... just wanted to see if anyone else had more to add, cause this is where we discuss more. it seems lots of repeat issues in the ai feedback channel, but id love to know if anyone has more news.

[reef compass]

@main wadi No doubt that the lack of AI is affecting carnivore interactions, and especially the lack of fish AI has all but emptied the drinking water of crocs. I haven't seen a +50% grown croc in game in weeks. But, the way the lack of AI is driving carnivore behavior is especially interesting, and something I hadn't considered. I felt that land AI was mostly fixed, which should have normalized that behavior and actions. But the lack of crocs might also still be affecting them.

[main wadi]

I can agree the change in behavior to fit the new ai situation is quite interesting as well. some time I would like to study how players react to changes even more, might be a cool research topic...

[graceful aspen]

i can make it to full grown, but i starve shortly after

[reef compass]

My new technique for FG survival is to get saltwater mutation and eat turtles from the sea.

[graceful aspen]

is there really that many now ? there used to be almost none besides west of southplains ocean beach

[reef compass]

I've only been doing it one day, but I've found enough on south beach to go from in-the-red to a full stomach on turtles, and a few foolish dilos. A FG croc gets 7% hunger from a turtle. I can find 10-ish in an hour, usually. That's 70%. It's worked for me for 1 day. Maybe I was lucky? 🤷‍♂️

[olive harbor]

<@&505047238674874368> why was my ai feedback with deino removed with no reason or cause

like it was well thought and researched

[graceful aspen]

if it makes you feel any better we have all been pleading and crying for 3 weeks for the fish to return for deino and its all just falling on deaf ears....

[olive harbor]

i mean they do spawn

but after you eat them they gone

[thorny dragon]

It wasn't AI feedback, it was a suggestion for deino

[olive harbor]

thanks for the response

[split saffron]

Feedback- deino sucks to play right now

@thorny dragon

[thorny dragon]

Ok

[vestal meadow]

@main wadi No ai in UNOFFICIALS servers, please i can’t grow My t rex im tired of this game

[olive harbor]

Stop playing rex isnt even a current edit of the dino

[main wadi]

I wonder why that might be... it could be down to server settings, but i don't know... would anyone who as admin access feel kind enough to show us or tell us if there are ai controls? perhaps the code is a tad wonky, I don't know much about coding.... perhaps it gets to too high a setting and overflows back to 0 or other low settings?

[vestal meadow]

Idk, My rex is now in triassic 2 /1,25 and is 37% of growh rate… SP and Higlands have no food ( i became cannibal srry)

[main wadi]

it sucks to become cannibalistic with dinos that arent already, feels like a betrayal, im sorry your consience weighs

[arctic robin]

Either I had some really bad luck this evening or trying to grow a carnivorous dino is WAY harder than previously. Sanctuary areas are useless as no ai spawns there and then by the time I travel away to look for animals, I die of starvation.

[novel wolf]

lmao im thinking of just deleting game and checking back in every few months to see if the devs have bothered to add fish back

[charred dew]

at this point Im thinking they want deino enjoyer to buy extra copies of the game to afk grow dino and feed themselves

[novel wolf]

Haha maybe, almost seems like it atp

[prisma bison]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350554304479240/1392969692657746022

this is a decent idea but i am most delighted by that beipi rejoycing as it rains crustaceans

i don't know if carnis need an actual analog to grazing, but giving them the same sorta foraging mechanic as galli and beipi seems valid

[dapper citrus]

I think both ideas are pretty good, also some static spawns along with the random ones would give great hunting opportunities

Only issue I see is you would need alot or you'll have maxed out herds just camping it

I've tried to play pteradon a few times and the only time I've done even half okay was scavenging from friendly players

Then you try it with the wrong one and they eat you..

[celest narwhal]

AI should be able to come closer to the water to charge

[obtuse meadow]

I might as well join the broken record in saying, something must be done about fish spawns.

As a Pteranodon I can no longer explore, I am forced to patrol the same areas, because the attempts to review new ones may leave me empty handed and starving.

Were it not for the Efficient Digestion mutation, I would have died countless times.

[last bobcat]

@pure spear #ai-feedback message

Indeed there was a time before the latest update where the ai spawn was very well

[blissful oar]

I went from not seeing any turtles to ONLY seeing turtles

Okay and a few deer

[frail parcel]

Last time I played before the update was around January and it was tough but doable. Now it’s a starving sim.

[hasty mason]

jus FIX IT ALREADY wasting my damn time tryna play almost anything solo because you are forced to scavange which 99% ends up you jus dead anyways because THEY ARE ALSO STARVING! and if you do manage to find a Boar or Deer while young, guess what you cant kill it anyways, its gonna mess you up and so you still die, or its gonna run and glitch back under the map and jus dissapear on you.

[steel valley]

How many months should do we have to wait to be able to play deino again? Why are you ignoring all the feedback you get? Wake up now, THANK YOU

[supple eagle]

FIX FISH

[silver raven]

AI feedback channel on its way to get deleted

[charred dew]

ah yes, when the entire community is voicing the same concern and there's zero acknowledgment or even a hint that the devs are working on it
the obvious solution is... to shut down the discussion board

[silver raven]

It's more when people begin to spam the same thing over and over again without it even being feedback

I guess that's just how deino players are

[charred dew]

all they need to do is add "1 pinned message" to stop that
just search the word fish in this discord, almost every hour there is different player asking why there isn't any fish in the game

you are just being bias right now

[silver raven]

What does it matter than people whine about it every hour ? Messages don't disappear, saying it once would have been enough

Also there are fish.
Not many, but enough for anythyng but a large deino to survive off

[night eagle]

Today I played as Ptero, I flew halfway across the map to the water access only to find no fish, then I flew down the river again only to find nothing, then I died in mid-flight from hunger

im also a new player and idk is this normal or smth bugged

[upbeat lantern]

It’s a spawn problem

[night eagle]

devs gonna do something?

[flat prawn]

I just lost my 94% Deino because of this terrible fish spawn 😑

[jagged summit]

You have to trigger fosh spawns by interacting with the water source

Its goofy but it'll work in most areas

Except for highlands, no fish there

[blissful oar]

Not the first time a game has done that (it didnt work out)

[jagged summit]

Also why are you even trying to survive off fish as a giant croc bro😭😭

[blissful oar]

Who said they are living off it?

[jagged summit]

Them saying they died purely because of no fish

[blissful oar]

But that doesn’t mean they only ate fish

It just means it’s not doing the job of barely keeping them alive

Ai fish should help you survive but not thrive

[night eagle]

Really? I saw little Deinos swimming in the water aren't they interacting?

[jagged summit]

Its iffy

Either way they are working on AI fixes, ite not like Amarok is just sitting there

[amber vortex]

That’s weird bc that’s specifically the area where I found the most fish

[merry ingot]

Ai bad, fix right neow!!!

[obtuse meadow]

Straight up, dying from hunger, especially when you're doing everything right, sucks.

[pastel brook]

#ai-feedback message they do talk to people lol

and ai is not the death of the game land is fine its water thats a issue

[reef compass]

It's implied they are just because of how much of an impact this bug has one two species, but they haven't said a word, yet. and, honestly that is the bigger problem here. The game is still in development. Issues like this are expected to happen. And fixes might take some time. But when a devs are radio silent on it for almost two months, its concerning to the player-dev feedback loop. Not that I expect issues to be fixed that fast, but I do expect the devs to acknowledge said issues.

[night eagle]

so the developers are just shitting on us

I feel like quitting this game

[reef compass]

I don't think they MEAN ill will. I really have no idea why they haven't just said "We see the fish AI issue. We're working on something, but it might be a bit". My larger concern is that A-no devs actually play the game and B-no one monitors this Discord, their community engagement mechanism. Its possible they don't even know the AI fish are such an issue. 🤷‍♂️

[night eagle]

this is just sad

[reef compass]

Well, that's maybe not such a bad thing to consider... temporarily. When I play games still in development, I sometimes encounter issues that are game-breaking for me. In those cases, I'll step back for a week or month and play or do something else. I often find the issues do get resolved, and I enjoy the game again when I return.

[reef compass]

For crocs and Pterys, for sure. The other species are probably enjoying the fact that water is MUCH safer now. I would bet that the population of crocs big enough to pull down a 1300Kg dino is down 80% since before this patch. There used to be Deinos in ever little puddle. Barely see them anymore, and drinking..... I am more worried about being jumped by a land carnivore than being pulled into the water.

[night eagle]

I see some crocs in the water access but small or dead

[night eagle]

well, I paid for the game and i want to play it, and enjoy it

[reef compass]

Yeah, I get that. And if you recently purchsed the game, that is some unfortunate timing. Before .20 dropped (so when .18 was live) the Deino and Pterys lived a different life. Deinos, honestly, mostly died from other Deinos. Hopefully the game improves for both of those species soon, and you can log in and enjoy the game you hoped to play when you purchased.

[tight echo]

I do have a questions/feedback.
I have played PT at water access I counted 16 fish spawns. (There were so many in one corner they overlapped so it was hard to tell.) Next day none. Not only none but they never spawned. To date I have a PT sitting on a server that I keep logging into flying over the lake sitting and logging out because it's starving to death.

This can't be normal.

[obtuse meadow]

I have observed things like this as a Beipi. Large clusters spawning on mass in one small area.

Meanwhile searching all of delta and the adjoining waters, I find one.

[gray vector]

i got my PT full grown with alot of luck .i am always about to die from starvation . same as you swim every where seeing no fish then come across a huge school. or get very lucky and have a AI animal close to water i here the more people on the server the less AI spawm seem this way when i play my land carmivores

ark when is first came out beta had alot of spawn issues too. i remmber swimming around whole ocean and see 2 sharks. less ai animals

[reef compass]

Server pop... 9/100 NA8-West.

[reef compass]

Everywhere I went on that server, I saw AI fish spawn. Mostly jumping fish, but elite fish too. Server pop never got above 10/100, and we were two Stegos walking around. It was like we ere just generating fish AI as we went.

[pastel brook]

@bitter frigate its a gamewide issue

[desert frost]

like all other servers

[wispy summit]

Can u tell me how to unistall -dx12

trying to play on evrima!

[verbal current]

idk how to tell you bro but back then I had to buy a new pc that supports dx12 in order to play evrima ._.

if it says that your pc doesnt support dx12 you wont be able to as far as I found out, in case it says anything else there might be hope but youd need to figure that out then

[charred dew]

how long has it been since they messed up the ai again?

[fiery estuary]

27th June

Last update

[carmine mountain]

Too long mate, but I’m sure the devs have made sure people are aware that they’re either trying to fix it or it’s actually intended to be that way and they wanted to make deino extinct 👀👀🥴

[charred dew]

haven't broken the Herrera release record yet.
irrc the fish spawn was broken for the whole Christmas–New Year holiday.
back then, Deino could still get 10% food value from schooling fish and still suffer

[mortal raptor]

rip... well they should make petra actually kill things then becuase as petra fish is your main food...

[fiery estuary]

They are about to leave ai broken for another 3 weeks

The difference between an office worker and a dev that actually knows his game

[kind trout]

Why are my messages getting deleted in ai feedback..

[thorny dragon]

Because it wasn't a suggestion or piece of feedback

[kind trout]

Okay

[pine phoenix]

is it just fish broken or all ai rn?

[swift wolf]

have had no problem with land ai, fish is the biggest issue

[pine phoenix]

Wish there were smaller land ai that ptera can go after

[charred dew]

you can spend like 5 mins pecking a sea turtle with that 2 dmg

[sullen igloo]

baby turtle ai is being considered iirc

[charred dew]

Soon™

[charred dew]

they could just make crab more reliable for small tier playables

[sullen igloo]

i mean yeah but i would also like consistency between the ai and then includes having baby versions for AI that can feasibly be made

also crabs aren't lines

[charred dew]

the beach is like a no man's land for baby sea turtles
a place where they desperately rush into the sea and never return until they've grown into adults
would be interesting if sea turtle eggs were added for players to discover and dig up (also give //)

and...this might be easier for them to code since you don't have to deal with another ai that runs around

[kind trout]

WE WANT JUSTICE FOR DEINO, DEINO MAINS ASSEMBLE!

[severe harness]

Admis are blind and dont see what pp write?

[jagged warren]

No they do, cause they Deleted the things I posted asking if they even played the game in the last month, they can take down what we say but not respond or work/fix a damn thing

[charred dew]

cause thats not a suggestion and the people take your comment down prob just a discord admin here

[sullen igloo]

people are so quick to throw tantrums

[raw meadow]

where do i find body drops on this server?

[thorny dragon]

Official servers don't do that

[storm sparrow]

admins why see and dont fix

all we are sad for fishes

deino is my favorite

this broken my heart die all times with no fishes for eat

[maiden hound]

Wild that a game breaking issue gets response "not sure" "probably look"....

[silver raven]

It's only gamebreaking for deino mains

[pliant sparrow]

It's actually not just a problem for Deinos. It affects several species that feed on these animals, such as normal fish and kingfish. It affects the entire gameplay, for herras ptros. And this removes a survival aspect from the game, namely the difficulty of finding a predator while drinking water. With all the new safe rivers implemented and the neglect of AI, the game has changed and become only enjoyable for those who have no interest in these other species. And then the developers are apparently focused on bringing in more large-sized Dinos, further devaluing this aspect. If you've never played Deino, up to almost 50%, you have difficulty hunting a medium-sized carnivore. A Trike with less than 10% growth already weighs 500kg.
This is where they lost, in my opinion. This is my feedback. Expecting a new update urgently. Because you are not frustrated with this new patch, you have adapted to new species.

[charred dew]

nah, he's just upset because he keeps seeing complaints about the fish. If you write an essay on how to improve the current system and make it more playable, he'll just reply with something like, 'But I see more Deino than [insert dino], so it's still playable.' Oh, and apparently Beipi and Ptera players also count as Deino mains and have just been 'too dramatic' this past month

at least now ai rot and provide deino with diet they need for now
rotten boar gives dots
deer give S
one way you can grow to around 2tons is to pile the ai that is stuck in the water and waitfor like 10 mins for them to rot
sometime luring in some player who thinks there is no way a deino can surrvive right now

[pliant sparrow]

Dude, I understand your complaints while you're trying to improve.

But seeing the number of Deino players dying from having nothing to hunt should lead one to conclude that there isn't much activity in the rivers, to the point of being able to grow a 9-ton carnivore. And that same carnivore is the only aquatic Dino capable of hunting anything else. This aspect has died out in the game. These Deino numbers are usually from unofficial servers from which you can acquire a FG. But I challenge you to show me any streamer growing a Deino these days. With all due respect, can you hunt deer and boars as Deino? They react to you and run; you DEPEND on other species.

[charred dew]

some ppl just loving being contrary for the sake of being contrary

[pliant sparrow]

and other just love be blind

if u are herb dont try to explen

ok dude. I will keep quiet

its just a different feedback

different opinion about who play the same game then you

[charred dew]

its not like spiro where they can go all around the map
if you simply just leave the area or just run along the river for longer
a deino will run out of stam trying to locate you + there will be chance he bump into another deino

[pliant sparrow]

seens like a have to learn a lot

[charred dew]

solo herbi players tend to be more cautious in my experience
playables like Cera or Dilo, which are relatively easy to grow, are usually loud and tend to hang around piles of corpses — making them easy targets to spot when crossing rivers or trying to drink

[pliant sparrow]

I agree they don't need to hunt and put themselves at risk unless they are bored looking for pvp.

[charred dew]

elite fish is really needed to fill the 500kg-2ton growing gap of deino
I don't think right catching bugged out land ai in water and wait for it to rot so you can get diet is what they plan to do

[pliant sparrow]

Now imagine if you were a herbivore. And to reach your peak, you'd need to eat only unripe leaves.
That's the situation with Deino, and about fish. They don't exist, brother. If only fish were an option, but not this.

did get my point dude

[silver raven]

Show me one beipi complaint
Most ptera players complain about the stamina and new flight, not the fish

[charred dew]

#evrima-na message
#ai-feedback message
#isle-discussion message)
#evrima-na message

#isle-discussion message

not gonna waste more of my time spoon feeding someone that is not here making suggestion

[pliant sparrow]

they does about fishs as well buddy. true

[silver raven]

Only two of them link to something relevant to the topic
One tried to wait for fish to spawn as herrera (who can survive just fine without fish if you play it like it's supposed to)
And the other is just "I died of starvation" with ptera with no further context
I expected better proof to support your point that "everyone suffers from the lack of fish"

By the way I also did grow a herrera by eating fish

If AI isn't spawning where you are, just move
Whatever has changed with the AI spawning system just doesn't reward AFKing in one place anymore

[pliant sparrow]

I've read some similar suggestions, but I think it would be quite pluralistic for everyone if IAS created a real lifecycle. Something similar to the code for a useful life cycle. It would add more activities to them, and they would be accessible from different points on the map, not just one. And simply expanding the spawns. I know there's a performance issue involved, and it's not that simple. But the feeling of there being no life around the giant map that is the island would be a bit stifling. I think it's a way forward, and it also improves the quality of life for those who consume the game in different ways, and I mean us as players.

[upbeat lantern]

So since we still have no feedback from the developers regarding the problems?

[charred dew]

they notice the problem couple days ago and thats it, wait for future testing and update

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350675997491220/1396279330056835234

[kind trout]

I hope we'll get a proper response in the dev blog, not just another "we'll see" or "we'll probably take care of it"

[kind trout]

Also, about the deino complaint of yesterday, i'm a deino main and I have to say that if I didn't meet other dinos I wouldn't be able to grow my deino.

In my whole life as a deino I found a total of 3 fish.

Before the update, I would have found more than 30.

Luckily there's some activity in the delta river so it's "possible" to grow a deino.

But the chances are really slim.

If the server is not full, you won't find ANY food.

[charred dew]

prob related to the system or engine update that they mentioned that the Rex will be released alongside with

[obtuse meadow]

Beipi will never complain about fish, he has infinite crabs.

That said as a Beipi I've observed odd cluster spawns of schooling fish, which are probably meant to be spread out through a wider area. Didn't phase me, I have no need for them, but seemed curious.

As a Pteranodon, I find myself scouting nearly 20% of map freshwater space seeking fish.

I've had the most luck just upstream of Delta, (lots of water space density, and player activity), but just last night I found myself once again in the red with blood on my screen before I finally got one.

[ashen kernel]

I feel bad for pt's when im on deino because I only find the schooling fish and i devour them all in one or 2 bites just for like 10% food

[frail parcel]

Crocodilian’s eat only once a week. Realism my but.

https://youtu.be/alvkFWzSoTQ?si=TDIzvhTVYRg-uE6j

[silver raven]

Good thing the game isn't trying to be a realistic sim

[frail parcel]

Clearly

[mortal raptor]

found at water access that fishes spawned into the human structure there.

[pseudo skiff]

the devs do not care ab the fish

[obtuse meadow]

Yeah, as Ptera I spend a lot of time searching the river for fish.

The river is an absolute necessity. Because water is plentiful there my chances of finding fish are higher, and getting a drink is easy, so I can spend more time, looking for fish.

My stamina bar exists to find fish on the river. I cannot leave.

[clever zodiac]

they really have to take care of AI for small servers

spawn points are also broken, no one has a chance, deino doesn't really have anything to eat

[vernal shale]

Most games will do quick hotfixes when they break things in their game. I’m not sure why that doesn’t happen on the isle. Ai is clearly still broken. At least they’re not invisible anymore, but the only reliable way to get fish to spawn is to get someone to show up as bepi. Add that to the insane amount of safe drinking spots now and all the shores made to be nearly safe to drink from, and deino doesn’t have a chance.

[hearty cedar]

they dont care 💔

[uncut holly]

love this 🙂

fix this goddamn game please

100 % deino starved to death

[old meadow]

for real im a deino hunting boars and deer on land

[cunning quarry]

This sucks, i might not play this game until this is fixed since i usually play deino

[misty jackal]

Same, the east swamp does not spawn any fish whatsoever which is where my FG deino is, if I log on I will starve again. It’s been about a month since I’ve been on the game

[old meadow]

I think some unofficials solve it with bodz drops

[cunning quarry]

That really sucks

[graceful aspen]

heres a suggestion, do literally anything about the water ai idc what

[shadow ruin]

The rivers and waterways feel insanely unalive sometimes because it can take 30 minutes of swimming or flying before u find fish

[muted lodge]

perhaps revamp the Quality Assurance team, and replace the people in charge in order to get effective development work done towards #ai-feedback, its been horrendous and nothing has been said or done about it

[muted lodge]

they need to highly reduce ponds, or make them actually accessable for deinosucho's, and fix AI spawn, thats the only way this dino will ever be viable again, right now its PVE until u grow to 80%, at which stage u die of starvation

[graceful aspen]

water ai

[vernal shale]

pretty much, but the canni is what gets me most of the time anyway. thought id be safe to log on this morning with 15 server pop and grow for a while without being eaten, 2.5 hours later some bigger croc drowned me. i never seem to see smaller crocs, only bigger ones. i have no idea how they survive to even get to that size without getting canni'ed.

[vernal shale]

ai spawns do actually work in the early mornings too btw. plenty of fish have been spawnign around me all morning for the last three hours. if only fish were on a crocs diet..

[muted lodge]

Nowadays u cant even survive on cannibalism, not enough deinos playing as its not viable anymore :P

[ocean cargo]

Guys

play on deino it is much easier thing now

Food exist just from turtles

Inland zero food for carni

[misty jackal]

Deino’s AI problem has been fixed?

[distant lark]

okay yesterday wasn't to bad for fish but today their isn't any at all plz help in au3 asap

[radiant lava]

Nope but still playable by scavenging when young, managed to grow a full deino on official servers twice in a week

[charred dew]

no, its just the diet for them are very twisted rn
I now mainly rely on rotten boars / deer to get dot and S
and there are a ton of ceras that don't give a damn and often get caught while trying to cross or take a drink

[primal dagger]

H linę gone destroy balance in game how normal t rex or ather Dino fight somting so op and i be on early add humends 3 hit bow kill adult t rex you need 10 h to be adult they be instant adult do its not gone be fair Play you Play all day to get Dino adult som one log on Pick humends get shut gun and kill you this gone destroy game pure Dino gamę tons ai dinos ai babys making to full server this isle need to morę skina morę dinos as my crcoro i send as sugestions and be add to game and non thx noting for help😮‍💨

[silver raven]

Jarvis, translate this in english

[verbal sedge]

wtf?

[atomic dome]

Rot them on the beach for 7 mins and you get carb diet.

[scenic cosmos]

PLS AND TY

Funny how theyll monitor the discord messages but not respond or fix a 6 week long issue that is detrimental to a whole species

[thorny dragon]

I'm not a developer

[scenic cosmos]

Well, if you have contact to one maybe forward one of the 999+ ai feedback messages saying the same thing 🙂

going on week 7 now. They truly love ruining their own masterpiece

[radiant basin]

Cant admit your short comings 🤣

[atomic dome]

I would think a temporary stand-in fix for this would be making schooling fish have infinite health, not spawn at all except for at reset. this way fish spawns are something to play around for deinos. and gives at least some form of gameplay other than starving to death 8/10 grow attempts

[silver raven]

Ah don't worry, devs are already fully aware deino mains are absolute drama queens

[blissful oar]

🙄

[silent flint]

Well to be fair it is borderline impossible at the moment to grow a deino. Unless you have friends feed you, or you have memorized ai spawn locations. The latter of which should not be expected from a casual player which likely makes up a hefty percentage of the player base. That would be like asking someone to be ok with playing Call of Duty and telling them they have to memorize how to build a gun in game before they are allowed to use it. Some players (like yourself I’m assuming) would not mind the hassle as it gives them an unfair advantage over almost every other player, but most would just find it annoying and actually a reason to not play the game.

I joined the discord today in an attempt to seek out a solution to this obvious issue. It appears from just briefly reading that there is none until the devs make a patch.

[silver raven]

Or play something else

[shrewd vale]

hey all new to the game is it normal that theres like nothing to hunt? i found one boar and it walked behind a big tree and despawned

[atomic dome]

its not like 80% of the people that bought this game saw a youtube video of a fg deino in south plains yoinking some land deinos only to be baited into NEVER BEING ABLE TO YOINK! ive put 80 hours into this game over the past few weeks (i got the game a few weeks ago) and i have yet to be able to yoink A SINGLE LAND DINO drinking water. my only shot has been getting them when they swim. theres no water ai, the only way ive grown a fg deino is because i figured out where a deer/boar spawn was frequent in an area where i could go on land and herd the deer/boar into the water. Every time a land dino drinks water, ill line it up and they just WALK INTO LAND DRINKING WATER BECAUSE THE DRINKING BUG EVERYONE ABUSES!

[silent flint]

Sure that is an obvious answer. Im not sure if you are trolling or you genuinely are mentally not grasping the issue.

To give you the benefit of doubt I’ll try to lay this out for you.

A new player sees a deino and decides to play it. Slowly starves to death over the course of 1.5-3 hours depending on how fortunate they are. Then decides I’ll try this again because they are new and assumes the starvation was due either to bad luck or lack of experience. They repeat this process a few times then decide let me try and google this “I have to be doing something wrong.” They essentially just find online they need to “get gud”. So they try again a few times. Then they finally decide to seek out the discord for further answers. They find none.

Long story short there is a Dino on the roster that basically is impossible to survive with. And that is only realized after hours of wasted time.

No bueno…

So yes the obvious answer is to play another Dino. Thank you for pointing that out.👍🏼

[distant relic]

the deer spawns, boar spawns, everything spawns are horrible I've died from starving a total of 30 times today and there is absolutely no ai . Please try to add ai that would be good !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[silver raven]

There is more than one
But the others don't complain as much

[hallow flame]

The fish spawns are messed up right now hopefully balance adjusted next update

[scenic cosmos]

lol i would understand the drama queen comment if it hasnt been almost 2 months for a simple fix.

[lean fable]

It's frustrating just how bad the fish AI is. I'll hear 10+ deer/boars spawn around me as I starve to death, but no fish whatsoever. Fish AI spawns weren't great in past game builds, but it's almost straight up nonexistent now.

[silver raven]

They've been complaining like that since day 1. Ptera is in the same situation yet ptera players complain 3x less

And do you know for how long pachy has been left to rot ?

Also deino is still playable, despite being in a bad situation

[languid spindle]

deino is not playable lol

[silver raven]

Then how do you explain there still being adult deinos roaming around ?

[wicked jungle]

People get lucky. Or you have a land based Dino funnel players to you.

[blissful oar]

Seen plenty of people purposefully dying to grow themselves, not that rare

[fallow spoke]

Apparently its a visual bug and their body is still at the spot they drank at. Try snatching them at the spot they stood to drink. Have fun if it works lol

[charred dew]

scroll up a bit, we already have similar conversation before. dude just really doesn't like ppl playing as deino

[atomic dome]

There's no way this is true. It's not just visual bug. It's not like they rubberband back to their drinking spot after finishing drinking. You can just straight up drink water on land right now.

[strong sphinx]

anyone wanna rant about deinos not being playable or am i just dumb

[copper torrent]

See server ping, it's just blog update, no ai fish patch, I go back to sleep for 2-weeks

[glad tangle]

Yep, no specific mention of an AI fix. Just "bug fixes"

[raw oar]

Just give us Godzilla ai guys 🙄

[uncut holly]

So we got a patch without AI fix?

[fiery estuary]

No its a dev blog

With 2 programmers not saying anything

[uncut holly]

Rip

[echo pilot]

what if the programmers are secretly yandere dev and pirate software and just unable to fix the ai without overhauling the entire spaghetti code

[floral edge]

Wohooo , another DevBlog with no fix with AI fish 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[brave barn]

Died again as a deino cuz there i no diet or food

[brave barn]

😭

[storm wren]

I'm assuming we would get in trouble for asking someone about the AI? Lol

[floral edge]

Bout to start @‘ing devs to fix ts , cuz it’s honestly been months without a fix 🤦‍♂️

[brave barn]

ig they dont care abt it

[atomic dome]

Does the Dev not realize that deinos arent triggering ai schooling fish and elite fish spawns? I tested it, get a ptera and fly to delta. sit on one of the mountains near the bridge/islands (northern delta) and it will literally spawn ai for ALL of delta. i try to survive with just deino. die of hunger everytime with no spawns past the first one. If i spawn in with a ptera friend and they sit up on the mountain, all of a sudden, spawns start working like they should normally. Devs need to get their heads out their ass and stop trying to add new content until ai spawning is fixed across the board.

[brave barn]

no ai at the beach also

[dire portal]

Hey guys... I've heard AI is busted. I'm a deino player and I've starved 3 times now... can I get info on how busted the AI is? Is Deino actually unplayable right now?

[dire portal]

Actually, this recent playthrough I haven't spawned in swamp and I actually found some AI fish!

[brave barn]

it is, i died 3 times today as a deino cuz of starving, there is no fish ai etc

And apparently none of the developers care. they don't even give any feedback or anything. I wonder what the developers are actually doing.

[tawny sandal]

i saw like, fish today, but just the one thing lmao

[brave barn]

ig they turned off the fish ai xd

[muted mason]

yeah been broken for over a month now but not one word from the devs even acknowledging that theres an issue why tf do they even have feedback channels. this game is so much fun when its not bugged out. But the devs do not care about feedback they have there own agenda so ill be uninstalling.

[waxen forge]

@blazing rose is there anything being done about the AI fish spawns? I know it is getting talked about endlessly in these forums and it would be nice if we could get at least some sort of aknowledgment that its being addressed

[waxen forge]

I think almost everyone in here talking about this is done wasting literal hours of their time on this game if there is going to be no dev response to the lack of AI spawns. Especially when all we are seeing from the dev team currently is a focus on new dinos and new content when there is an obvious bugged out component of the game. Please address this because the game looks and feels fantastic!! Everyone here wants this game to be great and have been drawn in by the cool mechanics and immersive atmosphere that the game provides. But when you spend over an hour zooming around the swamps looking for fish or any food for that matter and die 2-3 times in a row where you go a full stomach bar and die without seeing a single school of fish and certainly ZERO elite fish, then there is a MASSIVE problem.

[untold delta]

bro don't ping the devs 😭

btw many unofficial servers have disabled ai entirely

[waxen forge]

@untold delta it says in the rules that Punchpacket is the exception and is allowed to be pinged. I didn't ping any actual dev

[waxen forge]

And those unofficial servers are essentially banning Deino's from the server. Bc unless you have a land dino that is teamed up with you feeding juvi deinos, then it would be VERY difficult to mature a fg deino with zero AI spawns

[wicked jungle]

Don’t many of those servers also have either 300~ players and/or drop carcasses all over the place to supplement? Turning it off and doing nothing to replace it is bad dev design

[pastel brook]

how is that the devs fault that servers are pushing the boundaries of whats possible and having to remove AI because of it?

not saying ai is not bugged but like

[wicked jungle]

100 people is pushing boundaries? On official servers? Please tell me that’s a joke

[pastel brook]

I mean 300 player servers

like 150-200 is like a point where you do have to do some stuff to make it run but

[wicked jungle]

There being 300 players helps compensate for the terrible AI as well as the carcass thing. The terrible dev practice is in reference to someone saying they turned off fish spawns. If im wrong im wrong but if they’re right about turning off fish spawns then thats just dumb. Evrima is 5 years old man, issues like that should be pretty high on the fix list

[silver raven]

Fish spawns aren't turned off
They're just very rare atm

Don't take rumors as facts

[wicked jungle]

Like I said if im wrong im wrong, and im wrong about that, but what im not wrong about is how silly it is for AI to still be bad over the lifetime of both builds of this game.

[silver raven]

In case you haven't noticed AI has changed a lot over updates
At some point it was too abundant
Since there's only 1 guy working on the AI and that's not the only thing he does, it's bound to have hiccups

[untold delta]

do you realise you have to PAY in order to have a server provider to protect from DDOS atacks as well as a computer to actually run those servers

[wicked jungle]

So it’s still a problem? It went from a problem on one direction to a problem in another and back again. 5 years of being a problem is silly

[wicked jungle]

Hey I’m proud of you, but I’m not taking digs at unofficial servers. Nothing you’ve said is relevant to what I’m talking about

[astral coyote]

Perhaps instead of "more fish", they simply can spawn anywhere in rivers or swamps, only sometimes schooling in random locations

(And maybe bump the spawn rate too)

That way Pteranodons get skim properly, crocs can grow enough to hunt for players more sufficiently, and the rivers are more alive

Perhaps even at waterfalls some fish start jumping over allowing anyone to grab them and have a snack

And perhaps, I will stop saying perhaps lol

Thats just my opinion, feel free to disagree respectfully :D

[obtuse meadow]

Currently the issue appears to be cluster spawning of fish.

While certainly player presence and interaction does seem to have some effect on the spawns, it appears as though large numbers spawn practically on top of one another.

You might search all of delta and the adjoining waterway to dam, only to find one or two good instances of fish.

Meanwhile, one large, or even small water point, is absolutely filled with fish that otherwise should be spread across the map

[stable prawn]

Since the last update I have only found 1 school of fish as a deino from the water access to the delta no elite fish just a damn school of fish as a deino you are forced to commit cannibalism or simply die of starvation the carcasses are usually too far away or just laid out as bait so that ceras can tear you apart

[astral coyote]

I can provide you this mild tip that may or may not work as deino, the area known as the "delta" had a lot of fish when I was there exploring as a bepi, it might not be a bad place for crocs

[stable prawn]

I was there yesterday for 4 hours and had to fight hard for carcasses no fish were there

[astral coyote]

sad, just remember to look around near Patrol Zones if they're nearby as usually your prefferred food is near or in the zone

[obtuse meadow]

I don't play Deino, usually Ptera. But if I as a flying playable, moving 108 km, cannot find my fish easily, then I am certain that Deino, who is mostly shackled to the water, and sees waterfalls a barriers, is having far greater difficulty.

You might log on, see water access FILLED with fish, and think, fish are not broken, I will dwell here for a long while.

Only to log on after a reset, and see none in the entire region. (It is likely in this instance that the fish are cluster spawning elsewhere).

As a Ptera I can usually count on the river to have player presence spawn at least one fish, or I can gamble, fly to a new region and hope the cluster spawning is there (risking food and stamina resources).

But Deino cannot take this risk, he cannot fly. He is dependent on the luck of rare fish spawns, and player activity to provide him food.

I often ask myself, how many Deino's who are barely surviving in the river, leave thinking they'll find greener pastures, only to starve in what are basically barren wastelands?

I two call Deino as Ptera, even though he wants to eat me.

[winter laurel]

@elfin siren You're not doing anything wrong. Fish spawns seem to be broken right now

[elfin siren]

Well at least it's not me. I guess I will do something else for a bit and hope the AI issue gets fixed.

[mortal raptor]

that is what pretty much happend to me i main petra too but i really like water dinos. So deino i used to play alot too. lately ive seen more and more fish spawns so i tried my luck

i keep finding clusters of ai hidden away in underwater bushes with 3-4 elite ai. The only real resource as little deino is other little deinos.

after 30% you can hunt smaller dinos and they are barely near rivers where deinos can be they are mostly in places where they can find food and has water no deino can survive in. Rarely some people wonder out into the rivers and its a feast for the deino player that is in that river. but good luck as a solo deino competing there.

I try to wonder and go to some areas i know it has players but other then the rare ai that are left behind by people near the water you wont find anything and if you have it you gotta eat it fast and move on.. or the big croc will come and kill you they kill everyone they find becuase they are hungry too. so you end up always trying to go to places to grow kinda safely only to find nothing and jsut die of hunger..

you can go to southplains or highlands but its the same problem there you cant move much out of the river. there alot of players having salt water mutation and living more north near the beaches.

me as deino going to the beaches near West access and nw ridge is nearly impossible.

ive seen other deinos that where fg that just had their friends go and feed them.

So other then cheesing this game and winmaxing you cant really survive everytime you need to look in places you wouldnt know existed only to find 8 fishes or nothing and just die..

[storm wren]

Been checking in almost daily to see if there's an update to the AI problem. Hope it's not a case of they don't care, but it's starting to feel like it. Would be nice to know if they're working on it or if it's on the agenda

[carmine mountain]

AI dev said he might look into it in the next horde test

[obtuse meadow]

Yes, this is the last we've heard on the issue as I know it.

There were some serious problems with all AI right after the last patch. They hotfixed it, but since then nothing has been done to address remaining issues with fish.

[stable prawn]

As d3ino you go into the water and shortly after the schools of fish appear now nothing happens no matter in which pond was yesterday 5 hours in the eastswamp not a single school of fish spawned

[mortal raptor]

the water ai are broken some lil waters i find 8 fish spawns and in busy area's they dont even spawn or spawn once a month

[whole topaz]

i havent seen a fish in a week... not swamp deltas northlake or water access... cant really check other areas since i starve before getting anywhere

[stable prawn]

Then I'll check my favorite spot. If no fish spawn there, I'll uninstall the game until they fix it. Whether they'll fix it at all is another question.

[fading pine]

Have some fish

[nimble sonnet]

Haven't played in a good while. I tried to play, and every server I jumped into Official or Unofficial... Fish weren't spawning. I see above that this in ongoing problem. Is this a recent issue?

[steel valley]

Been like this for over 40 days now, devs dont give a single F. Have a look in "ai-feedback"........ thousands of players are reporting the same thing but like i said, they dont give a F

[primal peak]

As a ptera main I dont starve anymore, but fish is unreliable and either has multiple clusters or nothing in a huge area.

I actually tried playing deino yesterday to see how it is. I grew to 84% at delta, before I was cannibalized by fg croc.

But before that I had to use EVERY SINGLE SECOND to look for food. Eating close enough corpses or dead boars/dears. Specifically looking for stuck elite fish between huge rocks. And constantly circling the whole delta to do so. Afaik I was to only water creature there.

I still havent managed to stay above 60% hunger. But I also didn't kill any players, because nobody drank there.

Although while I was at delta, 3 fish clasters were also there

This gameplay is just stressful and boring. And playing deino with others is impossible

[stable prawn]

in which pond or lake are you

[fading pine]

somewhere in south swamp, image was from quite a while ago during current patch

[stable prawn]

I was in the swamp center this week and didn't see a single school of fish or elite fish. I spent 6 hours there eating only carcasses.

[slow acorn]

more elite fish for the dienos thanks cuh

[stable prawn]

go to a server with few players and the AI goes crazy

[deep pawn]

Wait, are the ai divided to all players's vicinity so nobody gets enough to avoid starvation? Fun.

[wicked jungle]

No wonder the system is so bad. That makes zero sense when said allowed lmao

[stable prawn]

I was alone in the water access, no other player was there and after 10 minutes, 5 schools of fish came and after 30 minutes, the whole water access was full of schools of fish, the whole AI of all servers, maybe it was so wonderful, a buffet for deinos😂🤣😂🤣

[desert frost]

On official servers, playing as a Deinosuchus is almost impossible. There are no fish, there are a lot of places to drink, and there are very few people on such a huge map with 100 people. On unofficial servers, where there are 300 people online, it is better with this, there is someone to hunt or cannibalize. Unfortunately, so far everything is very bad and it is only getting worse.

[deep pawn]

Doesn't matter that deino can survive 1 hour on a full stomach when you might not encounter a player for 3

[outer prism]

Would be neat to have AI dinos since herds of formidable herbivores aren't around on official servers. gives a player as an Herb a fighting chance. maybe they can become the lead of the herd too after awhile.
also an apex AI pred patrolling an area would be pretty neat. cycles through areas every 30 minutes or so. maybe when Rex or Spino debuts. Thank you for the hard work!

[obsidian iron]

i CANNOT for the life of me find anything to eat as a deinosuchus. its like fish just do not want to spawn anywhere within a 100km radius of me. same when i play pteranodon

[coarse matrix]

Yeah, it's a pain.

Fish I've rarely ever seen some. Crabs, frogs, I've never seen any before. Pterodactyls only once, circling a tree that I couldn't for the life of me catch any of as Ptera, I legit died of starvation around that tree full of Dactyls... probably cuz I lag, or probably cuz their hitbox doesn't exist unless they spawn around corpses. Also never, ever seen Compys on a corpse or anywhere else. Everything else spawns fine at least.

Though the Tab says goats spawn in all biomes, meanwhile in reality they only reliably spawn in Highlands it seems.

[hearty void]

I had a run as a deino where I nearly starved to death 3 times before even making it out of juvenile. At one point I was so desperate that I chased a deer, and somehow, while completely out of stamina and seconds from dying, the deer bugged and stopped running away. Never managed to replicate it, but it was enough to help me live, and I eventually made it to 50% growth before I got bored of the game. They need to fix the fish. Hunting players as my only source of food was somewhat fun, I guess? Its more stressful than entertaining though.

[obsidian iron]

ive legit only seen about 4 deer and 1 boar on all dinos on all servers. idk what the spawning mechanics are, but they never work in my favor, it seems. its like im playing starvation simulator whenever im a carnie

[obsidian iron]

the only way i was able to get my deino to fully grown was with a friend on the same server that was willing to sacrifice herself to let me live for at least a few minutes longer. i doubt that ill live much longer when i log back in to that one though

[hearty void]

Its fine, they'll have it fixed within a few years. If we're lucky.

[pale urchin]

pretty much 4/6 starts as deino have been starving to death besides the swamp liver lake, and river delta near water access as only ameniable places to grow a deino

[coarse matrix]

That's weird, turn up the volume. The Isle on my pc at least, is very quiet by default. For most games, I set my headphones' volume to 20% merely. For the Isle, I have to set the volume to 80%, then when there's a storm I lower it to 50% cuz that is fairly loud.
Try higher volume, you can then hear roars of larger dinosaurs from accross half of the map, and you can hear the screamin' of deers and boars in the vicinity. Run at it, then listen for footsteps running away from you. Home in on the sound like a missile until you see the deer or boar. I do starve sometimes as carni, but most of the time I can hear deer and boars, especially just outside of patrol and migration zones fsr. I guess they venture a bit outside of em easily.

Crabs, frogs, those are the ones that I've never seen before, but fish are way too rare, you can fly or swim accross a river and not see any which doesn't make sense, I think fish, specially small ones, should be plentiful. Elite fish, only seen em once, but then that was like a dozen at the same place, and they were not swimming anywhere, just static until fished out by me and other Deinos.

Though maybe the reason I've never seen crabs n frogs is cuz they hide underground and can only be sniffed out by Gallis? No idea, haven't been a Galli yet.

Though I wonder why frogs wouldn't be visible neither in the water nor in the mud of swamps or nowhere, they should make sound and sit out in some damp place whenever they don't see a dinosaur at the very least.

[pale urchin]

yeah thought it odd, travelled almost the entirety of the map as both freshwater and saltwater adapted deino for not one crab, or one frog, literally nothing lol

[obsidian iron]

i have never seen a crab, frog, turtle, rabbit, chicken, or goat in this version. tbf, i only have ~13 hours, but you would think that in a survival game, the ingredients necessary for survival would be pretty common, if not plentiful

[coarse matrix]

Now that is partly only cuz you only have 13 hours. Goats and rabbits are fairly common in Highlands... though the Tab says the goats are everywhere, which doesn't seem so to me fsr, only Highlands, though in youtube vids I did see a grassland goat. Chicken are kinda everywhere on plains and maybe jungle and they're easy to spot cuz they literally attack you when you're small, though not as common that I see 'em as boars n' deer. Turtles... Ehh, they only spawn on very player-populated beaches it seems, but alas they're easy to see as they're big.

[storm wren]

Bought the game specifically to try and play the deino but with the state of it thinking about getting a refund tbh. I've waited long enough for a fix by now

[real zealot]

Do we know if they're working on the fish ai? Plenty of boars, deer and turtles (in specific places) but they're too fast to catch for my tiny deino

Also deinos need better ai in general, the ai for deino are all like breadcrumbs to us. Waaay too small and insignificant on hunger to bother catching any of them

[rain crater]

Agree

Once, I got killed by a boar in the swamp area like swimming on the water. I hit it from behind and it hit me back like glitching or smth

Deinosuchus also have a very limit stamina and bad night vision. I barely can't hunt them

[pale urchin]

my deino noctural play is sit at bottom of river and sleep lol

nightvision is so lackluster, or if heavy rainstorm go and find fish at least some cover from other deinos, and/or the little carni hyenas that lunge into the water to envenom you lol

[lethal smelt]

@mint walrus you kinda joined at a bad time. There's some bugs rn especially with ai. Its a way better experience otherwise. Path of titans doesn't even come close.
Try again in a couple weeks or so, I think it'll be fixed by then

[mint walrus]

iv never played PoT, but from a passive observer. they have abilities, the movement especially flight looks lik wat better

[lethal smelt]

I will say though, it's not really like path of titans except for "oh I can control a dinosaur".
Path of titans tries hard to be a video game. The isle is more of a dino life survival simulator. Huge learning curve. Not at all easy

[mint walrus]

i v been playing Pt, hera, carno and the lil squirel thing lol

i see your point

i wouldnt say hard tho

pvp looks like a literal diceroll to me lol its so janky

[lethal smelt]

Low floor but very high ceiling.
Can take dozens of hours to learn the map, mastery of finding and hunting ai, etc

[mint walrus]

i cant attest to any of that cuz atm none of it is functioning lmao

[lethal smelt]

Eh, the ai is a bit janky but everything else is functioning just fine

[mint walrus]

on servers with 100 ppl i can run thru middle of map and not get a single diet icon

[lethal smelt]

Icons are only corpses. Living creatures / ai don't have diet icons.

[mint walrus]

i didnt know about the bug at first

im aware

still insane that no AI noises, or icons show up

[lethal smelt]

The bug is with the spawning. There's limited ai slots on each map and currently they're dominated by turtles and crabs on the south beach cause that area is bugged lol
But also, even besides that, ai doesn't spawn everywhere. They have their zones where they do consistently spawn. Once you learn and remember them, ai hunting kinda becomes a piece of cake

[mint walrus]

i was all over southern delta beach/jungle today looking for anything alive

[lethal smelt]

Not delta.
Southwest side of the map

[mint walrus]

i did the entire coast

to the jungle

or swamp

as hera, then as pt, then as carno

[lethal smelt]

Anyway my point is
I think the game will be vastly different next month compared to current
A ton of bug fixes, map changes, quality of life updates and of course the arrival of rex

[mint walrus]

thats what i was hoping to hear

[lethal smelt]

Im taking a bit of a break myself until that update arrives

[mint walrus]

i didnt even know

whos your favorite like 3

[lethal smelt]

I once had an answer but now I kinda just like them all
I guess the most fun I have in the current roster is with omni and teno
I'm really looking forward to running in allo packs or subadult rex packs tho

[mint walrus]

i like the way dinos look in this game way more than PoT

[lethal smelt]

Different vibe
Pot is a bit of a cartoony game not a realistic sim

[silver raven]

@limber dock please do

[charred dew]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350554304479240/1405665916393623572
@open tide
sadly, it’s not that simple
There have been several instances where certain types of AI spawns got out of control, ruining the server’s performance and FPS
there was a patch in the past that ended up spawning infinite frogs, which constantly crashed the server

[wicked jungle]

:when spawning infinite frogs, dont

fixed it ezpz

[pale urchin]

damn, deino can actually have a chance at getting past juve stage with frogs and actual fish, tbh i've found some more schools of fish, however nowhere near enough to sustain the deino, esp <40% growth. anything will cannibalise you, you spend hours travelling up and down the map just for some meagre meals, and limited growth.

[charred dew]

compared to Cerato, which is also a cannibal species with the luxury of choosing whatever it wants to eat and never having to worry about where its next meal at (deino struggle to get any food from fresh spawn to fg)
the dev just seems too busy working on Rex and other projects—who knows when it will actually be added to the game

[pale urchin]

yeah it's wild, I manged to get a FG cera and carno, and easily survive, particularly as the cera, since it's ability to not vomit after eating rotten food, is a godsend lol. and that bacterial bite, not to mention nocturnal hunting as a cera, is so much fun!

[obtuse meadow]

AI on land are mostly fine, they spawn reliably, and it generally doesn't take much searching before their prey sounds appear.

Fish remain broken, often cluster spawning in one location and being scarce or absent elsewhere.

Unofficials are different, their spawning is set up differently, and in some cases is worse, better, or even just completely turned off.

[reef compass]

I dropped out of following The Isle official stuff over the last month or so. Have they addressed, acknowledged or fixed the AI fish spawns yet?

[knotty steeple]

It has been acknowledged yes, but apparently the fix is only being rolled out once the next hordetest hits because of the engine upgrade :/

[reef compass]

Thats good to hear that they at least acknowledged it. Where was that?

[knotty steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/1396498874637484113/image.png?ex=68a0956d&is=689f43ed&hm=f9b6131a07a37a8a597cd2a1d80da39ece1a7823406c2e4698784b231b46e970&

(From #isle-discussion )

[charred dew]

and that message comes from 7/18

[analog swift]

anyone else having no ai spawn? it’s alright with land ai but there are almost no fish

[charred dew]

just scroll up a bit in this channel and you will know whats happening rn

[analog swift]

i do know just asking if anyone else knows and if the devs even know about this

[charred dew]

this

[charred gazelle]

so this is where all the fish are when after i spend 20hrs looking for them

[dense surge]

nice kill carno... -black and white troodon

[past harness]

where is that :0

[dense sun]

Has there been any changes to AI since trike released gave up when I couldn’t feed myself

[charred gazelle]

The swamps

[copper torrent]

Nope, just ignore the game until you see the server with a red update notification, it's a miserable experience currently

[graceful aspen]

last post on twitter was in 2020, obviously this discord doesnt get looked at, and you guys pushed out a broken update with trike and you even knew it was broken....... NO WATER AI 3 MONTHS NOW , AND IT WAS BROKEN IN THE HT, WHICJ IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR TESTING AND FIXING BEFORE PUSHING TO LIVE

[sullen igloo]

"this discord doesnt get looked at" meanwhile 15 minutes ago a dev was in #isle-discussion is so funny to me

[nimble sonnet]

Water AI?...
Looks up two posts

Awww

[graceful aspen]

who cares, they have had the game in a broken state for deino for over 3 months

[sullen igloo]

cant really update the game mid engine upgrade lol, especially if the issue with ai is something deeper than a simple fix

[graceful aspen]

okay so how about dont push a busted update, the HT is for "testing" and if you didnt know. water ai was busted during the whole time trike was in HT and they pushed it to live knowing it would screw over deinnos and pterras

if they aren't willing to utilize the actual testing part of HT then just push updates and don't use HT

[silver raven]

They wrongly assumed deino mains would be willing to try playing something else while waiting for them to fix AI

[graceful aspen]

96 days

[silver raven]

Do you know for how long pachy mains have been waiting for their beloved to become good again ?

[graceful aspen]

last i checked pachys arrent starving to death

[silver raven]

They die of other means before they can starve

[graceful aspen]

before they can starve.... lmao gtfo sybau

[silver raven]

You seem weirdly defensive about this

[graceful aspen]

about what? the fact that you come on here to show how good you are at eating weiners ? defending the bs that is the water ai ? or the fact you just get on here to disagree with people ?

[silver raven]

Please link to where I did any of this

[graceful aspen]

They wrongly assumed deino mains would be willing to try playing something else while waiting for them to fix AI....... <<<<<<<

THIS IS 2 OF THE 3

srry cant prove you eat weiners

you tell me is it reasonable to have to wait 3 months ?

[silver raven]

I'm telling you others have it worse and complain 10x less

[silver raven]

Also this is just making an observation

[silver raven]

So you just provide misinformation without backing or argumentation to support it, nice

[graceful aspen]

here

this looks like nothing but arguing on here

https://tenor.com/view/teehee-funny-snoopy-cute-fun-gif-6236854856469910924

[silver raven]

What's so interesting about my message history ?

[graceful aspen]

can you read ?

[silver raven]

I'm more interested in you backing up your claims

[graceful aspen]

you have 400 pages of arguing

i just did

goodbye

[silver raven]

You didn't

[graceful aspen]

shhhhhhh

[silver raven]

Replicator forbid I discuss in discussion channels

[graceful aspen]

you are ignorant,

im done

[silver raven]

And you are weirdly obsessed with my message history and my intimate life

That's creepy

[graceful aspen]

basically heres the deal, i come on here and say something... YOU come and argue, has happened 3 times and i blocked you. i posted in here and it said blocked message, i clicked to see what it was, lone behold it was once again you. so have a nice day.

[silver raven]

Why did you unblock me then ?

Do you like hurting yourself ?

[winter laurel]

I get this, and it really does stink to be stuck with a broken update. But AI spawns (particularly aquatic AI spawns such as fish, frogs, turtles, crabs, etc) seems to be a recurring problem. They've released patches with supposed "fixes" multiple times, and it's repeatedly broken. I'm guessing the feature probably has multiple bugs that result in the same "symptoms" of AI not spawning, and speaking from experience, that kind of code is non-trivial to debug

They may have decided that they couldn't justify holding the update with trike any longer (and honestly it's possible that the engine update could shake loose the cause of the AI issues due to how many things tend to break when you upgrade engines).

[pale urchin]

oh dear more creationist garbage lol, I wish I had energies to spawn in fish schools haha

[graceful aspen]

meh

[analog swift]

why haven’t I seen any baby deer or baby boars or did that get removed?

[fallow spoke]

Ai are extremely bugged this patch and some dont show up rn

[smoky summit]

Have the developers addressed the ai problem? Water ai just don't exist anymore 🙁

[nimble sonnet]

@graceful aspen

[graceful aspen]

true!

[graceful aspen]

i agree

[plain dock]

yeah kissenkitten has

[reef compass]

Ok, anyone been able to play on the .21 HT and see if the AI fish are back?

[reef compass]

They did mention it a few weeks back in a very passive way and seem to indicate that it wouldn't be fixed until the next major update... which is hopefully the case, and in testing now on HT.

[restive fulcrum]

No fish in the places I've checked, including east lake and swamps, but I've seen screenshots of large clumps of fish floating in the air above water 🙃

extremely handy if you're a pteranodon, a tease as a deino

[reef compass]

Sounds about right. Thanks for looking!

[lethal smelt]

has anyone actually seen dibble ai respawn? or do they only spawn at server restart and then never again?

[edgy quarry]

Does anyone know if it’s possible to just play the isle pre triceratops? Game was a lot more fun. I haven’t touched it since. The game is just not fun anymore since that patch

[nimble sonnet]

@graceful aspen is it true

[manic widget]

i just found some so possibly

[floral edge]

Has AI been fixed yet ?

[graceful aspen]

ai in ht is working much better. however it is not without flaw

[viscid heron]

I too wanna know tbh. Seen 2 dibble AIs once an hour after restart. A few dead ones rotten scattered around delta. But I dont know if they spawn with the restart only or they do respawn inbetween...

[untold moon]

Is I just broken all day td ALL ive seen is galli or tacos

[high thunder]

@lethal smelt i have seen an ai herd of dibble respawn around delta when a few big rex were there (they had just killed some ai dibbles not long before the others spawned)