ai-feedback-discussion

[final jolt]

ask on Discord :3

[compact flint]

Why is there no Seaturtles or Crab like always...

in my whole time on EU1 i only seen one turtle never a crab nor a second turtle

they rlly need to increase their spawns...

[spark vessel]

FIX THE FISH FOR EFFS SAKE

[soft sedge]

#ai-feedback message To be fair you should've checked the cliff first

[pastel ivy]

@pastel wren why would a small carno hunt a big adult boar

[pastel ivy]

I didn't hear the deer die so!?!?

[soft sedge]

But still don't just jump off a cliff without checking first

Look before you leap

[pastel ivy]

I didn't hear it die dude

[soft sedge]

So you literally jumped off a cliff without checking that's your fault

[pastel ivy]

I can't look, there we're bushes

[pastel ivy]

how is it my fault that ai don't take fall dmg 💀

[soft sedge]

Then how did you know there was a fall

[soft sedge]

Because you literally threw yourself off a cliff

[pastel ivy]

cause I heared the sound effect of the landing

the point is

ai should fall dmg

[soft sedge]

Yeah no your fault

[pastel ivy]

DO YOU AGREE OR NOT

[soft sedge]

Yeah I agree

[pastel ivy]

ok thanks

no point in aruging

thats all

[soft sedge]

You still killed yourself

[pastel ivy]

idc

I made a feed back about the AI

not me

[soft sedge]

Most feedback is about the player

Raptors complaining about how the Dibble or Stego is op because they stood still when they tried to hunt them and the raptor tries to tank the hit

[pastel wren]

Bc there is nothing else, it happened to me as carno Dilo and Raptor

[pastel wren]

Also, your take on The other AI is so Real, never see Bunnys or Chickens,

[pastel ivy]

deer?, goat

[pastel wren]

I found deer so rareley, once or Twice, and not a single goat, ah i also found frogs about 2 times

[fiery lodge]

i find goat all over the map

[open comet]

There's goats all over east plains and Highlands

Deer everywhere else

Boar are rarer than they used to be in my experience, I find a lot near the main south river

In my 300 or so hours I've only seen 2 chickens however

Never seen a single bunny

[pastel ivy]

could be cause they are so small? they need to buff the sound effects volume of them.

[serene cosmos]

Fish were spawning straight away and now they're not...

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[serene cosmos]

No AI fish since server restart

[spark vessel]

WOW its so FUN starving to death as a croc in a swamp that should be full of fish and things to hunt, great AI

[twilit scaffold]

balanced nerf bepi

[tight scroll]

Poor beipi being the devs punching bag rn

For literally no reason👍

[high axle]

Need 3x the AI food in game

[meager shard]

for real, i've never died to starvation so often

[abstract relic]

Idk about that, there's plenty of AI, I'm just not sure I like the type of AI in the game. Frogs are pretty much useless, chickens as other have pointed out are VERY rare, and I have not seen a bunny either since I've come back.

I actually preferred the legacy style of AI spawns more, but I doubt they'll come back

if you ever got that low you would basically be gambling with your life if you got an AI spawn or not. And even if one did spawn, you better hope there's not another larger carnivore nearby

[wispy moss]

The ai isn't useless as they serve a specific purpose for different species.

A frog may be useless to a cera, but to a bepi or ptera its dinner.

[mossy monolith]

Guys, is there a place that shows AI avarage spaw? on game say Deer is located in all biomes but I can rarely see one. I saw 3 together today on the woods and when I was going kill one the server crashed. 😦

I found boars and goats on west access however Deer never....

Patrol zones I never find anything as well.

[abstract relic]

yeah, all 10 players who play those dinos. Hence there's an abundance of these AI

[wispy moss]

Yo those are like my faves

[dreamy musk]

question does Ai spawn in patrol zones, cuz i havent found a single one yet :C

or heard

[crude wyvern]

Depends on where the patrol zone is

But I don’t believe ai is tied to patrol zones, I could always be wrong though

[dreamy musk]

dang i thought it would be the same for carnivores, like how it is with herbis

[crude wyvern]

Nah, pretty sure you just see the nearest active patrol zone of an herbivore on your diet

[crude wyvern]

@onyx root There’s pterodactyls in currently, and I’m not sure if pteradon ai is in yet, but it’s been worked on

[quiet verge]

the feedback/attention to this has been almost 0 from devs. really shows that they care. the peak of this games life and they refuse to do anything about it so many people stopped playing because it became less fun to play and more of a chore

[timber island]

it's not the game's peak rn btw

and mr amarok (zanorak) is in charge of ai last time i checked, he's made some other ai things

[rigid minnow]

They literally just adjusted the AI via the previous HT patch. During the HT AI were genuinely everywhere and currently there's still a decent bit in most areas. They added 2 new AI since the HT, one is being reworked supposedly too; to claim they don't look at all or haven't changed anything is just wrong.

[cold hull]

so many fish

[twilit scaffold]

@plain garden i dont think you can eat those ones 😳 it would explain why you couldnt catch them

[plain garden]

[old snow]

How do I become an ADM of a server?? My server's ADM doesn't do anything.. :/

[valid oak]

@tribal turtle the reason you don't start out full stomach is because then you cant fill up on the nutrients you need to grow

[tribal turtle]

Makes sense, just need to put in more AI to survive. I’ve covered the whole swamps and haven’t found a single AI to Consume. Maybe it’s just my bad luck lol

[valid oak]

with swamps specifically I think there's not as many ai spawns so you have to know where to look unfortunately

alos personally I don't think it should be easy to grow deino so theres gonna be some starving involved haha

[tribal turtle]

Haha yeah, theirs plenty of starvation going around for deinos 🙂

[glad tangle]

There absolutely needs to be more fish in swamp. Its a swamp. I see more fish in the retention pond behind my house than i do in this entire swamp. Swamps are places crawling with life, the swamp in this game feels empty and desolate. Its needs fixed, you were right in the first place.

[tribal turtle]

It’s a big area, and I covered the whole thing, and nothing.. not even a frog. Like wtf.

[charred dew]

with my experience raising 2-3 deino to fg this patch
if you just log in and you are the only person in that area, you need to stay there and swim around slowly in order to let the fish spawn in , the location tend to be fixed . there are some spot that will be crowded with fish once activated.

but yeah... waiting for them to pop up is while hunger is droping quite desperate

[tribal turtle]

It’s brutal, what makes it worse is after I got my salt water kidneys, theirs nothing in that river system or any turtles or crabs lol

[winged ocean]

What should I do if I get a bug?

[edgy axle]

/unstuck

[tranquil goblet]

would /unstuck work if your trapped in a hole?

[tranquil goblet]

nvm took 3 tries but it worked

[cold thistle]

@proud grove dude I died like 20 times of starvation because I find nobody and find 0 ai to fuel my stomach

Adding the fact dino's death is permanent, yeah I am pretty sure this is a big problem

[dense aspen]

@lethal sigil Maybe pull up the official isle evrima map #ai-feedback message

[knotty steeple]

@muted lodge goats can be pinned by troodons, so at most they are 60kg

[muted lodge]

Idk if it was a bug but I was a small raptor and used all of my stamina on it by pouncing and it didn’t pin nor did it die

[knotty steeple]

Were you using the damage, bleed or no input pounce?

Juvi omnis dmg is basically non existant

[muted lodge]

Bleed, where you hold rmb, it was bleeding a lot and I used all of my stamina and kept following it yet it never died

[knotty steeple]

Yeah welp :/

I dont even know if ai can bleed out tbh

Never seen it

[muted lodge]

Aww wtf lmao

Then I was probably barely even damaging it

I just think it’s weird how at my same size I can pounce and pin a small Carno but the goat just gives me the middle finger 😂

[knotty steeple]

Bleed pounce does 0dmg so yeah :/

Wouldve been better off nibbling it to death

[muted lodge]

So with Troodon and Omni bleed pounce always does 0 damage and only applies bleed?

But pinning does both damage and bleed?

[knotty steeple]

Troodon doesnt have any extra mechanics to its pounce sadly😔

But yes, if you choose the bleed pounce youll do 0 dmg, if you choose the dmg one its vica versa. If you dont hold down anything youll do a little bit of both.

[knotty steeple]

Troodon does impact damage on pin, after that its periodic dmg and bleed for both yes

[muted lodge]

Yes but as troodon if you keep pouncing onto prey it still applies bleed yeah?

[knotty steeple]

Nope

[muted lodge]

Really??

[knotty steeple]

Its literally useless

Yeah

[muted lodge]

Damn, I guess I shouldn’t have taken the bleeding mutation

[knotty steeple]

Even tho the animation just got changed to show it actively biting down even after the venom DoT wears off

[knotty steeple]

Hemomania?

[muted lodge]

Yup

[knotty steeple]

That gives you damage, not extra bleed

But it doesnt affect pounce so still useless

[muted lodge]

I take that on raptor and Troodon

[muted lodge]

Right, extra damage on bleeding targets, but if troodon doesn’t cause target to bleed then it’s useless

[knotty steeple]

Its not worth it, youre better off going for survival mutations

[knotty steeple]

It does cause bleed with pounce

Just not a lot

[muted lodge]

I’m torn on some of the troodon mutations, I always take nocturnal, but idk if I should take increased damage reduction on bigger enemies

[knotty steeple]

Its 100% worth

It makes you survive an extra omni, herrera bite, dryo attack etc

[muted lodge]

Alright then. Finding a troodon pack on Petit server is pretty easy but the issue is no one ever lasts lmao

[knotty steeple]

I usually run nocturnal, less damage from bigger species and reabsorption in survival

[knotty steeple]

Well yeah the average troodon isnt exactly the most skilled😔

Exact reason why I never pack with people unless I know they arent dummies

[muted lodge]

Lmao true, I’m still not that good at the game but Raptor is a little more forgiving. Much harder to evade but i can actually take down stuff on my own and raptors diet has Carno, Stego, etc. which comes in very handy

[timber island]

@forest knot a patrol zone is a zone made for you and your group

herbis get food there, carnis get nothing special

so as a carni just ignroe it

(as a carni you can see the nearest patrol zone but still theres nobody there)

[knotty steeple]

In the HT you only see a patrol and migration zone if it had recent activity in it

So thats cool

Semi guaranteed to meet players

[timber island]

o

i wasnt aware of that

[forest knot]

Yeah, my understanding is that its currently meant to give Carni's a clue that there is a player somewhere in this general direction, which is a great idea, but I would like to see AI more consistently. Currently in HT I've been finding it very hard to find AI and have starved to death several times as a result, which is fine once in a while but when you spawn, starve to death, respawn, starve to death, spawn a 3rd time and starve to death the third time in a row without ever finding anything to eat, that sucks the fun out of the game.

[timber island]

i see

[charred dew]

feels like they took almost a year and still can't get ai spawn on the right track

[soft sedge]

#ai-feedback message Be a good hunter sir you're a deino eat the schooling fish you can that

Also they changed that in horde test

[tiny bobcat]

@wheat valve In the HT AI has set spawn locations that always spawn AI no matter how many players there are in that area I've seen some Videos about it.

[timber island]

and probably gonna take way more than that

[forest knot]

Man I wish they would include useful information in the patch notes. Todays HT patch note says "reduced overall AI spawn rates". Okay, what does that mean, that could be a barely noticeable 5% reduction or a staggering 95% reduction, or anything in-between, who knows. I haven't tried this HT yet but the last HT finding AI was very hit or miss and I starved to death as often as not, feels like a step in the wrong direction.

[weary arch]

We need mre AI, not less!

[tiny bobcat]

AI still spawns like crazy in the HT

[weary arch]

Indeed, I was mostly dying from overeating...

[forest knot]

Where? I can rarely fine AI, I will fully acknowledge that this may be a skill issue on my part, but in my experience the AI spawns are far to sporadic and unreliable.

[buoyant mica]

West access, highlands, west railway access, random pond in jungle I sector, i didn't get past that point since my teno couldn't get above 30% food...but I'm assuming all around the map, you just gotta listen for the boar/deer/goat (frogs never make a noise) or the trickle sound for schooling fish. Though sometimes they don't make any sounds and you MIGHT hear footsteps...not in the rain, but other times.

[strong sentinel]

Why are we lowering AI spawns? I see a majority of feedback (including myself) stating the lack of AI. So why would the Devs intentionally intensify this issue? Add more details as to why the lowering of AI is needed, this update note looks like they are not hearing the issues being brought up from the community.

[tiny bobcat]

@little trout Just to let you know, AI spawn system works in such a way that it spawns AI when someone is in its spawn point, in the Horde test branch not Evrima.

[little trout]

Well I guess it isn't working for me. No ai In the 30 minutes I played

[winter laurel]

For one, it's a survival game, and genre wide if you run out of food or water you die. It's punishment for mismanagement of your resources, plus not dying from starvation means the only reason dinos would kill each other is for sport, which people also hate generally speaking. If you absolutely had to add a stop gap until the AI issues are fixed, just spawn random carcasses on the map like BoB or PoT. However, a much better fix would be to provide players more tools to find other players and AI, as currently there may be AI in the area and you might not even notice

[tiny bobcat]

AI dont spawn every where on the map, there places like North East plains that has high Psisstacossaurus population or highlands that has a high Goat population.

[little trout]

Well then they should add that information somewhere so that players can go to an area where the food is. Its kind of unintuitive for new players to not know where to go and die of hunger until they randomly run into ai. I've gone to patrol zones and migration zones and nothing. Atleast spawn some ai in those areas

[agile breach]

what AI?? dying to starvation over a dozen times is a complete joke!!

[dull crest]

I’m unsure why they don’t just add AI similar to legacy back- where it would spawn if below around 75% hunger and didn’t spawn for herbivores. Is there some common argument against this for Evrima?

[cold thistle]

I think overall dying because you find 0 enemies or mobs is the opposite of a survival game, there you have resources to use in a very smart way, the only thing I must survive here is the tiresomeness or running around at 27-42 fps and being stuck on rocks

[agile breach]

the servers: TRASH

the AI: TRASH
the gameplay (mostly cause, even on a full server, you never see anyone, annnnd theres no AI.. EVER): TRASH

should have got a refund while i still could

[winter laurel]

I suspect because it's not really survival if they just hand you food on a platter whenever you start feeling peckish. It would be like bushes near your base spawning fruit and nuts in Green Hell whenever you hit 3/4 lipids or carbs. You'd never have any incentive to move to different areas and scavenge for food as you do

[dull crest]

That’s true, but making it like legacy solves essentially every other problem people keep bringing up lol so I’m surprised no one has insisted more for it to be back like legacy AI

[winter laurel]

But, by the same token, food's reasonably plentiful in Green Hell if you actually move around and don't just grind the same area every day. The isle for some reason doesn't do that

[cold thistle]

Stop gaslighting people into believing that dying due to zero interaction with AI or other players is fun gameplay because "it's a survival-type game." Spoiler: it is not fun gameplay.

[little trout]

I agree there are survival games if not most that give you food but the survival aspect is surviving the other players or the AI

i do think hunger should be a thing I dont agree with it being this hard

herbies dying of hunger and without nutrients is laughable when its literally an island full of vegetatiom

its like being in a buffet full of plastic food

[winter laurel]

If you read the whole comment, that is not what I was saying. Just two posts below, I talked about how the game does actually need to give you opportunities to get food. It shouldn't just be handed to you, though.

Honestly, I think the scent system needs a rework to make finding the food that is already on the map easier, as well as an AI rework, because currently there is nothing challenging about killing an AI once you find it. And so instead the isle makes finding the AI challenging, which is just frustrating

[novel bough]

found where all the stinky ai is going... the crevice before highlands its literally full of them lol

[jovial perch]

Fun and motivation should be most important focus of the game. AI do not interact with player really, so bad for a survival game. If it is multiplayer hardcore survival, so why there is AI in game? Makes no sense. Add/spawn AI dinos, which can be smell by hunters of their own class and they should fight back.

[spark flume]

I also find them on side of cliffs and swimming in the ocea xD

[topaz lichen]

rofl i got nested in a saltwater beipi nest on the server i play the other day, they were on one of the back islands out in the middle of nowhere.. i decided to travel to the nearest sanctuary once i aged out of being able to get fed by parents in order to get more than 1 diet

this required crossing huge swatches of deep ocean to beeline to the sanctuary so i didn't starve on the way. the amount of deep sea deer I saw walking on the ocean floor was insane LOL i wonder if that's why AI spawns are so weird on live branch, because i believe they have a finite number that are allowed to spawn and if they don't die, no more spawn, but no idiot would be out hunting deer at the aquatic edge of the map LOL

[spark flume]

That would explain the lack of ai on the mainland. Maybe they could implement an invincible barrier for ai, so they don't swim too far into the ocean.

[muted lodge]

I saw like 10 goats all stuck around a steep cliff by highlands onetime, and of course with the Dino I was playing goat wasn’t on my diet

[buoyant mica]

#ai-feedback message @junior garnet I feel the pain. They followed me for what felt like FOREVER. There's a spot in river delta you have to becareful because somehow, even though they're on a cliff, in a really tall tree, they know you're on that grassy plain below and will follow you halfway through delta before giving up.

[paper spire]

Ai are making their animal noises but when you go to the noises there isn’t nothing there. Just giving heads up to the DEVS

[foggy hamlet]

im a 100% adult crock and now im stuck between a water fall an water in stones (yea good game with no glitchs)

[thorny dragon]

Did you try /unstuck? Also, this channel is for discussing posts shared in #ai-feedback

[vocal turtle]

There is AI I've killed multiple AI already you can find multiple people in the server multiple times especially as raptors

[dusky shale]

Please add ai tenos back. They don’t have to spawn everywhere, just at patrols and migrations. I feel their calling and movements made the game feel a little more like an ecosystem.

[topaz lichen]

agree and disagree. add similar tiered AI herbivores IE large, somewhat aggressive, but don't make them tenos. AI that are the same species as playables can make it difficult to find others of your kind if you are also that playable

[forest knot]

I didn't play for the 5 minutes the teno AI was active so I missed it, sad to see all that development time go to waste, again. That being said, I don't think the community will want something of that size that they can't play, the second is announced it'll be years of "x playable when" post here and on Reddit. Plus that's a lot of work for them.

I DO however agree there should be a very easy way to tell the difference between player and AI, a different skin color/pattern for instance, and one that's fairly bland and boring, to cut down on the people upset they can't get that pattern.

While we're at it, bring back Dryo AI, it's been a bit since those were a thing.

[rain cedar]

are taco ais a thing now?

i cant find any ai for my double line nutrient as a omni

[lethal smelt]

Yes
Can easily find them in mudflats, or the beach south of east jungle

[rain cedar]

do you have coords??

also thank you

[magic horizon]

Hello, someone find AI fish in the East Swamp ? Previously East Plain, they update the map but I never see AI fish in the water since 3 days

[topaz lichen]

I dunno, do people complain that they can't play as psitacco or chicken? lol

I'd make it a fairly small hadrosaur personally, so its chunky enough to give decent food, a dinosaur so they can make it loud ( some of the modern animal AI are so quiet they're ludicrously hard to find - i've only found a chicken like, twice since gateway ), but also something that can fight back with at least a little bit of intelligent AI so the AI used on the teno isn't gone to waste. Something like this little friend would be fun, or maybe a slightly bigger but still small hadrosaur

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3AJ0eobcAEV74z?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[silver raven]

This is smaller than the in-game boar

Personnally I dislike the idea of adding AI just to serve as free food for carnivores

[topaz lichen]

Oh I know but the in game modern animals are all massive compared to what they would be IRL lol this lil guy could be upsized too!

You may dislike it but many juvie carnies are too small to hunt on their own, while I do prefer adult carnivores to hunt other players rather than subsist purely on AI ( which in turn tends to choke out other fresh spawn carnivores ) it is a necessity. that's why i recommended the ai be another small-but-stronger thing rather than a playable creature that is also ai

[silver raven]

I would prefer AI to be about as challenging to hunt as players are

Also the fact AI is modern animals opposed to dinosaurs being players helps them being distinctive from each other, that way whenever you see anything you know at first glance wether it's a player or AI

With the exception of ptero and compy, but those are so small it's not an issue

[forest knot]

Yes they do. Don't get me wrong I am not disagreeing with having AI Dino's, I would MUCH rather AI dino's than chickens and goats, even on a full server the Isle feels empty unless you are in a hot spot, feels like a walking/starvation simulator.

[frozen elm]

For people leaving feedback about AI, it will help the devs if you include where you were when not finding AI. Because in Hotspot areas there is plenty of AI, so the fix isn't as simple as just turn up AI spawn, because then it would be an absolute circus of AI in those same hotspots. Instead they may need to work on specific areas of the map and therefore need to know where you were that you couldn't find any.

[copper torrent]

An Elite Fish just grabbed me as a full grown Beipi killing me, is this intended? It looked out of place and pretty funny so I'm guessing not

[blissful oar]

It is

[forest knot]

You are absolutely correct, the more info provided the more actionable it will be for the devs. However, I do have two things.
1, even in hotspots AI has been in my experience very hard to find. Reading post here and on Reddit I am of the opinion a lot of people are in my boat who never find AI, but there are some who are in yours who are tripping over them. This didn't used to be the issues, back when east pond was THE hotspot AI was very easy to find, but now-a-days its very difficult even in high player locations.
2, AI only in hot spots has been a problem all along, the AI seems to never spawn in area's with low activity, basically forcing carni's to never leave the hotspot less they starve. I would love to be able to just wander the map and explore knowing that if I can't find players I can at least keep myself alive but every time I've tried I've had to rush back to the hot spot to avoid starvation, back when AI was findable at least.

[nocturne atlas]

i cant find AI anywhere.. i go to patrol zones, only twice did i have ONE AI to eat(goat) trying to survive as juvi is almost impossible. i get they want it to be more difficult. but 90% of the time patrol zones dont have anything. west access was good before they touched the AI and now theres absolutley nothing there. go to sp, 2 omnis killed a boar, but a juvi dilo isnt going two win against to fg omnis. there is just no AI anywhere..

[shrewd laurel]

someone killed the elite fish who swallowed me while playing beipi now that im out of the water I just exist...

[little trout]

would be cool that you could get out if that happened

[thorny dragon]

@soft nymph
#isle-discussion message
#isle-discussion message
#isle-discussion message

[pastel brook]

btw for everyone saying cant find AI go in a free admin server and spawn in and sit for ten mins then look where the AI spawns that is a the spawn zone for AI which is why everyone is starving its cause they dont know the spawns also they start spawning when you spawn in BUT if you are moving around wait in the same spot for a while and let the ai spawn in this happens due to the ai activating in spots where a player is so moving around and running like a headless chicken wont help the cause sometimes they spawn behind you after you have ran hope that helps 🙂

and if I can recall they removed most spawns due to lag and are working on how to help performance and how the game runs

[haughty terrace]

Please fix small birds with red heads because they killing you to dead and you can do nothing they hiting you in river or you run in plains jungles and they chasing you till you die.

[wanton vector]

triede your teori now been standing still servel time for 5+ min am still starving :/ no AIs spawning ive learn the map and spawns before this patch and haven starved a dino for a very long time so i dont get how it is so much more difficult now

[wanton vector]

what hot spots you talking abouth ive been all over High land West acces west rail South plains East plains north ridge norther jungle (only place i found ai 3 deer 1 boar) water acceses delta river and swamps i find abslouth nothing but turtle 10++ some places near the beaches and been so for the last 2 days ive tried high pop server and low pop nothing help no matter what i do i usely dont have a problem with finding Ai and not starving

[pastel brook]

ive always found it that way so

[wanton vector]

never used this technic and i have never had problems before this update with ai and not even this works in this update for me i haven starved a dino in years now am starving 9/10 carnies

[frozen elm]

I can't account for your experience as I don't have that issue. Yes those hotspots. As omni, herra, deino, and ptera I have yet to starve as any of them, and regularly eat boar, deer, fish, turtles, and tacos. Not saying the system doesn't need more work, but I've not had an issue with starving for a long time in this game...

[dull crest]

I’m not sure why you’re not finding anything other than the AI is just heavily unreliable- personally I’ve been to highlands and found 3+ deer and that was enough to keep me and another person fed. Not to mention there was visible splashing fish in the highlands lake.

It seems up to luck really- or perhaps some level of skill/knowledge/experience in knowing where you’re going to have better chances finding any AI.

BTW I found the deer up on the small cliff area super close to the canyon tunnel that leads to Highlands Lake. Maybe try looking there? May be a spawn point

[wanton vector]

would stile like you to share the hot spots names and cords maybe if you got them 🙂

[wanton vector]

ive change server 4 times now and seems like i found a server that dosen have AI problems they spawn where they used to on server i startede on and played on for a long time so dont know why i coulden find any AI others then turtles on the other server or the server i usely play on when they are here on this server 🤷‍♂️

yeah fish i also see plenty off but i dont need fish as cera carno etc as said i find tons off turtles on the other servers so i can survie but dont wanna waste 4h to grow cera/carno due to nutrients beeing 0% or 1% as its the lowest now

[dull crest]

It may be less of the servers and perhaps an inconsistency with them- perhaps the previous servers will be back to “normal” after a restart or just merely waiting and trying again in the same location

I’ve found various areas where certain AI is more common- I find turtles easily too but mainly because there’s a cove of sorts they tend to spawn in a lot in my experience, but further down the beach they cease to exist so I’m unsure.

And then others never find fish lol so everyone’s experiences vary a ton

[wanton vector]

yeah i dont know just felt it was daim wierd XD ive survied with same tacs for so long and suddenly it diden work and now am back on that tac on other server 🤷‍♂️

[frozen elm]

You already named them. I said so in my last message.

[wanton vector]

you diden realy say any names i named every got daim place there was on the map XD but fair as i talkede with Eros abouth found a server where the hot spots i usely use works so its fine

[frozen elm]

Yes, you named them and then I said, "yes those hotspots". As in all of them yes. Highlands, west access, south plains.

[wanton vector]

yeah i woulden say all places on the maps are hot spots thou.. but fair i read wrong to be honest and saw it as yet those hotspots as omni herra deino and though you talkede about them having hotspots am dyslexia and eng is not my main

[frozen elm]

Fair! Language barriers never improve these things. 😊

I know I forget to remember that not everyone here speaks English natively.

[wanton vector]

it is what it is no hard feelings from here you talked nicely and explained i just misunderstood :S 🙂

[frozen elm]

https://tenor.com/view/san-valentin-gif-8022758834552143209

[muted lodge]

@lethal smelt sometimes as Hererra this sort of thing is Mana from Heaven. But yeah AI going into the ocean/ falling into crevasses paired with organs floating above reach is causing quite a few of my runs to end in starvation

[shrewd laurel]

Hope the elite fish ai gets adjusted soon, beipi can not be fully played rn

[cold thistle]

@minor quiver Growing a deino right now I am to 80%, it's not impossible it's just kinda boring and very very slow, you can survive with ai and corpses around depending on the zone (skip swamp if possibile) but yeah I admit it could be a little better

I would even say, thrive, of course you are still slow af even with 100% + growth rate but still it's become easier to survive, before the diet update and increase fish spawn yeah It was almost impossible

[hexed parcel]

You say it like its nothing and easy to do.. personally I dont really wanna waste hours finding out all the Ai's spawns.. I just wanna play the damn game.. it shouldn't be so hard to find AI's. they spawn in such precise zone in such big Areas its awful. Honestly just won't play carni until it's fixed.

[glossy bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965854484280528906/1304662589808316497/pov_elite_fish_the_isle_maci_z_mach_10_fast_speed_top_gun_maverick.gif

we need to fix elite fish

[vast mango]

oh, you guys should fix the situation when deers spawning, and its giving the sound of a boar xD

[silent patrol]

has anyone seen rabbits?

[frozen elm]

Rabbits are a myth told to young carnivores to give them hope of a perfect diet. But there is no hope!!!

[silent patrol]

devs insist that they do spawn but i know they have not at least correctly been spawning from my experience

i have been to the ye ole spawn spots

[frozen elm]

I believe they exist, but in 500 hours of play I've only ever found one, because it was already dead. I've yet to even learn how to spot them honestly. So I'm sure they are honest that they do spawn, but in semi humorous tone, they don't exist.

[silent patrol]

even sence they introduced the new "AI zones" i have not seen any, chickens are rare and crabs... well they sorta spawn but the only 2 natural ones ive seen were stuck face down in the sand

[frozen elm]

Yeah both pretty rare at the moment. Which given the noise chickens make is alright by me. Haha the small ai definitely need some work it must be said. But I'm sure making them plentiful also comes with drawbacks to the server. So I imagine it's a balancing act for the devs.

[silent patrol]

and the sound radius for frogs is tiny and you need to be almost ontop of them to hear them

[frozen elm]

Yeah, frogs I think are still easier to look for than to listen for. Even if you hear them it's hard to figure out which leaf they are under that kept you from seeing the little goofball in the first place. Haha

[silent patrol]

good to remember that sometimes they dont spawn IN the water or the banks and can be more inland than expected

[frozen elm]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-finn-poe-dameron-they-fly-now-fly-gif-25032438

[static vector]

Elite fish swim into waterfall…. Elite fish disappear 🫥

[silent patrol]

The thought of there being less noticable AI due to other AI being hidden/trapped in the ground or in a spot no one can reasonably get to and taking up the cap.
Maybe if they add non spawn areas / barriers to prevent AI from getting stuck or just spawn in bad locations. If that is even possible

[sullen igloo]

@vast mango #ai-feedback message absolutely not 😭 the game should not serve you food on a silver platter whenever you get hungry like legacy did. you could survive solely off AI as allo or rexes or giga, it was awful

[muted lodge]

Do compys still exist?

[sullen igloo]

They're disabled right now

[vast mango]

Sure, starving simulator is so much better

[sullen igloo]

believe it or not, starving should be a threat in a survival game

[vast mango]

Why do herbies have silver plate?

When herbies are much stronger than a carnj

[sullen igloo]

frankly i disagree with them having a silver plate as well

the fact they can graze and never starve sucks in my opinion

[vast mango]

If there are no people online, you should starve to death as a herbie ? XD

[sullen igloo]

you are playing a survival game, you should be able to starve if you dont know what youre doing

[sullen igloo]

no one said that

[vast mango]

Survival game where you cant find food, is just a starving simulator

[sullen igloo]

then go actually find food and stop expecting it to spawn in your mouth

[vast mango]

Nothing else

[sullen igloo]

because thats exactly what it did in legacy lol

food was a non issue in legacy because the game forced food in your face whenever you got under 60% hunger

[vast mango]

Read the ai feedback, going around the whole map and not even one ai xs

[sullen igloo]

sorry but thats objectively not true

you can find tons of ai, i know because i do it

[vast mango]

Delete that herbies can smell plants, same issue

[sullen igloo]

... right, i think im done here

[vast mango]

Sure xd

[vast mango]

Thankfully

[silent patrol]

do you know of the areas of the map that are the spawn zones for AI, patroll zones and migration zones have no effect on AI besides maybe if another player is there alowing them to spawn by being there and if its one of the spawn areas. If you are just moving around the map sprinting in a strait line then you are obviously going to miss the AI that are spawning behind you so its best to go to one of the spawn areas and just walk around a bit and avoid areas that do not have any AI spawning there

[austere meadow]

So, there are ai spawns zones?

[vast mango]

Yes of course i know the spawn areas, but sometimes (yes i tried it lots of times) if you just sit there while starving, you just gonna die... Sometimes works, sometime not (80-20%)

[nimble citrus]

yeah...sure

[vast mango]

"oh no, herbivore is so hard" bro, with 1 mutation (absorbing water from eating plants), im in the same place and just growing... xDDD its so ez, wonder why there are no predators and etc for me, noone plays carnivores

[rapid raven]

ohhh man. wrap it up and call it a day everyone. its not an issue because THIS person can find AI. Nvm the 500+ posts from the discord, and the countless posts in the subreddit, and even complaints from other sources. This person can find AI, so there clearly isn't an AI issue. clearly the game is working as fully intended. Sorry, but that's a load of #@&$@. The AI is fundamentally broken after the last update and everyone knows it. Can't pvp on an empty stomach, and as a baby you NEED the AI. Unreal.

[rancid pumice]

FIX THE FISH SPAWN IN THE SAME POUND FOR AN HOUR AND NOTHING SPAWNS IN THATS WILD TO ME

[rapid raven]

same. twice now ive spawned as a fresh deino and died within 30 mins as a baby. no food. no ai. just dumb.

[sullen igloo]

as someome who has yet to stave as a carnivore due to ai, no lol

regardless of how you feel about ai, having it served to you on a silver platter isn't the way to go alot it either way

the few AI i would agree has issues would be fish, rabbit, and chickens

but turtles, boar, deer, and goat are quite literally over running the map in some areas lmfao

[silent patrol]

as someone who plays PT is is funny the amount of times i watch someone just bairly go the wrong way and looks like they avoid AI and i try to scream at them to show them where it is or kill something and let it sit so they can smell it. I often kill things for others because i know people are struggling but i STILL see people go past them.. like they are not taking a moment to stand still and hold Q long enough to smell it

[rich seal]

@knotty wind I see where you r coming from but maybe instead of making them louder, make the call travel a bit farther and have them slightly more frequent.

[rich seal]

what server?

i'll make sure theres a few carnis

[vast mango]

eu3 , my dibble is still alive and i played like 10 hour ? only seen 1 croc and a baby cera

[sullen igloo]

@cursive whale for the most part, the drain times for food is the same as it was before when you spawn. its not actually 'draining super fast', your stomach is simply growing. most carnis take 15+ minutes to actually hit a red stomach, and then the 10 minutes afterwards that is actually required to kill you

[cursive whale]

I strongly doubt those times, because the first omni I spawned in on was dead of starvation in 20 minutes, and that math doesn't really add up for it :/ I kept putting on the 20% less drain mutation as fast as I could, but it still killed me before i could have a chance to find AI or to meet up with my teammate.
I understand the mechanic they are going for and it's nice, but it just doesn't work and has you dead before you have a chance to find food, or something bigger finds you. Baby carni life is almost impossible to get through growing stomach or not

[lament sapphire]

nope I sat there for each carnivore every single one besides herrera took longer then 30 minutes to starve to death

90% of it goes then that last few percent takes forever to die from because of how low your diet can get

[cursive whale]

is this after spawning in fresh with no diet?

It feels so much faster if so

[lament sapphire]

yup tested every carnivore from spawn till death also you have diet when you spawn in?

30% in dots iirc

[cursive whale]

Never really looked at it, was busy panicking:') For some reason those 30 or so minutes are not nearly enough to find something edible, on the example of myself. Even if i was able to find one ai and fill up, the next time i needed food i just had to die of starvation

[lament sapphire]

yeah ai is a bit of pain to find at times if you don't know where to look. I don't know enough personally but there are some people that can help you if you keep having difficulties in finding them.

[cursive whale]

I will probably simply stick to herbies until carni survival is not so excruciating

[sacred sapphire]

This is my issue currently with the ai. You are forced to go to specific places in the map in order to find them. The rest of the map is a barren wasteland of both players and ai. So you can’t survive there no matter what you do. The current iteration of the AI is forcing hotspots the devs claim they want to get rid of.

[cursive whale]

I would love if ai spawned more on plains. In the forest it's almost impossible to track especially as a fresh spawn (the most food dependent growth), and even if you hear AI they will not make any more noise after the 1st or 2nd time so it's not even worth seeking out. My best bet so far has been trying to go to highlands because that is the only place I have been able to successfully find, track and kill AI, but then again its mostly Goats which are not even on the diet of the dino I would like to be playing (Omni)

[sacred sapphire]

I mean we could talk about the lack of diversity of AI in some places, the fact that rabbits are unicorns and compo’s have been deactivated. But the message I would like the devs to hear is that at some point in the near future can we please have an update that focuses on improving the AI situation. I know you can’t work on all the things all at once but please prioritize the AI improvements

[rich seal]

eheheee boi, ima be a big cera and eat yo booty (in-game ofc)

[sick estuary]

:-3 stalker and Vik you have been my rescue :-3

[midnight pine]

so how does ai work? what are the factors because i am so often in the migration zone and i cant find anything. is it because the lobby is full of players? am i looking in the wrong places?

[magic dock]

STARVING SIMULATOR
I ran for almost half an hour looking for something edible.
no one chicken/fish/deer/boar/goat I didn't find it
I almost die from hunger
And you know what I got?
a crocodile that died of hunger, that's funny, right?
You should fire the person who's develop AI in this game!

[blissful oar]

asking for someone to get fired just because you don't like how a mechanic works is kinda nuts ngl

[magic dock]

Well, how is this supposed to work? Where can I read a manual book of mechanics' details? Or are you just trying to make excuses for the incompetents who were invented by pathetic mechanics?

The game shouldn't be 95% running around looking for food and suffering when there isn't any on the carnivore

especially now when you, as a baby hererasaurus, are forced to find food immediately after birth, otherwise you will die out, and when you are simply shot by a baby boar, or when a baby deer runs 2 times faster than you!

[knotty steeple]

Ai doesnt spawn as soon as you enter an area, and they have fixed spawn points. So Id recommend staying around one area or making a loop around where you came from to check if anything spawned. If you dont know the ai spawn points there sbould be a few yt videos out there explaining how ai works.

[thorn plaza]

Tbh I do like that it's a little harder for carnivors atm (with less ai).. Less huge packs of carnos and ceras deleting everything. Also makes more sense having more herbies than carnis on a server from a "realism" standpoint.
I just played multiple lifes of herrera and omni and only got close to starving once tbh. If you go to player hotspots like west plains pond, highlands or delta you will most likely find an abandonned player corpse at one point.
But yeah a couple more ai spawns wouldn't hurt.

Edit: Don't forget at one point we will get additional big dino ai (hope I'm not wrong here) which will drastically change the situation too.

[dull crest]

I've been in the crocs place too- spawned north lake, swam all around it multiple times, no AI, decided to go downriver, still no AI, figured maybe if I stop moving constantly and go back up the river and chill a bit maybe something would spawn- no lol
Eventually I died after spending my entire life on the search for a fish, frog, anything really- it's even worse for dinos meant to stay to a limited area (like water) because I couldn't get away from north lake and it's river easily- I did try to make it to delta but starvation was quicker

[molten shore]

Is the schooling fish AI still only spawning in contact with water for a prolonged duration?

[lethal smelt]

@west trench the elite fish are fine
youre not doing it right bruv, you cant just sprint in water and chase it, you gotta sit patiently on the ground very still, it doesnt run that way
wait for it to swim towards you, then as soon as it turns away, ambush it with rmb
works 95% of the time

[half mulch]

Following this

[fathom estuary]

they shouldnt be making changes to AI before having the replacement mechanics ready

Its already insane that "Bigger Plants" for herbies coming is their justification for the diet changes, when all that should be is doubling the plants model size/stats and slapping it in game

They want us to take more risk? wheres the reward? We are spending 3 hours of juvie stage just running around trying to keep from starving, let alone getting Perfect Diet

And considering half the species in the game atm are USELESS at juvie-sub adult stage, where is the PVP supposed to happen?

Dont worry tho guys! Big Dino AI and Big Plants are coming Soon! (2 more years minimum)

[timber island]

yup

however it's never the case

things happen a year or years before the cause of that change actually comes

pretty dumb ngl just put em both at the same time

[fathom estuary]

its literally game design 101, the fact these devs have over 4 years to learn (10 if we count legacy) and still are doing stuff like this is bonkers

[timber island]

yus

[sullen igloo]

if you spend 3+ hours running around as juvie im sorry but thats a massive skill issue

it takes 1 deer and a little bit of time to get S at 100% for omni, giving you 100% growth rate

[fathom estuary]

okay, countless people are agreeing and reporting the exact same issue as me. Are they all also experiencing a skill issue?

[fathom estuary]

Nice suggestion, too bad I dont play raptor, I play Dilo, and that is NOT the case. 1 deer does not equal 100% S. Your stomach fills up, then the deer is gone in 1 more bite

90% growth rate btw, and thats IF we find AI, which is the problem to begin with

[fathom estuary]

The 3 hours was an overexaggerated average for all of the playables in the game, not just Dilo. So Unless you have something useful to add, thank you, Next?

[sullen igloo]

it literally does though, especially after they doubled the food in AI

[latent sequoia]

When it comes to the fish AI, you can hunt it easily even as a baby deino; as soon as it detects you (either runs away or swims towards you) swim upwards - then just go down and kill it, it will act like it doesn't even see you.

[fathom estuary]

see how no one agrees with you? They could make an AI body 1000000x the amount of food, that does not solve the problem of AI not spawning correctly. Take the L, live to glaze the developers another day.

[sullen igloo]

i'm sorry but i cant begin to care what they think when the convo ended days ago and i personally don't suffer the issue of "not finding ai"

sorry you guys struggle so much lol

[dim geyser]

I was summoned in here by a link from Sammy,

I say Hi and leave.

[sullen igloo]

Hi

ARH ARH ARH 🦭

[fathom estuary]

weirdChamp

[frozen elm]

https://tenor.com/view/gunfight-boondocks-gif-7275714

[bleak oracle]

fish in swamp < fish in river

[covert loom]

I haven’t had to much struggle with Ai but if there are many players who can’t find any food source there have to be changes^^ that’s just it.

[austere meadow]

I really dont know how or where to find it, the only ai that i see normally are turtles

[open comet]

people who say its impossible to find ai now are exaggerating of course... but ive played for a long time now and know where ai does and doesnt spawn across the majority of the map and even i have been finding way less than every other iteration of the ai we have had before. now imagine being a new player trying to grow a carno or something and you dont even know where to begin looking lol

turtles are still relatively easy to find because, get this, they dont run away and get stuck on rocks like boars/deers/goats do when you get near them

add in storms drowning out any ai calls besides taco, its not a great time to be a new player trying to grow a carni right now

[fallen drum]

Add stam to carno because after only fight so useless....
Dilos love kill me after have fight cera or other species because no stam so full hallucinations...

[frozen elm]

I think the lesson there is to utilize your stamina in a more economical way during a fight, and if being in said fight is about to leave you vulnerable, you should get out of the fight. Dilos are predators and a smart predator attacks when prey is vulnerable. They deserve the opportunity to attack you if you choose to drain your stamina fighting a large predator you shouldn't really be hunting in the first place.

[fathom estuary]

I agree that I may have been over exaggerating on "impossible". when AI spawns properly, the game feels great. But it seems that on a majority of server resets, AI spawns feel super inconsistent. I feel like ive been relegated to running to mudflats, praying that a turtle spawns, and then babysit until I need to go drink. Then its a toss up on whether i find players or AI inland.

I love how hard and punishing the game can be. But I want to know im being punished for my mistakes, not because the very basics of the game arent working correctly.

[austere meadow]

also i see a lot of ai bugged on mountains

they are there floating in a little gap without making noise

[devout mica]

What triggers ai spawns in this version? I remember if you were below 70% hunger in legacy it would spawn ai for you but I cant figure out what makes ai spawn in evrima. Also where they spawn in relation to the player is a mystery to me now.

[tiny bobcat]

AI have zones where they spawn now, for example you to that zone, AI spawns. Not every time tho sometimes you'll need to wait 10 mins for AI to spawn

[devout mica]

Is that the new destination on my compass?

[thorny dragon]

No, that's a patrol zone. It spawns diet plants for herbivores

[devout mica]

oh I see thanks, so basically I just gotta wander around looking for the spots that ai can spawn and then remember them?

[thorny dragon]

Yes and no, they basically spawn everywhere

[spark vessel]

the game is not fun right now its like impossible to effing grow a carnivore. WHAT IS THE DEAL its like the devs want this game to fail

[chilly siren]

"Impossible" is a slight exaggeration i think.

[knotty steeple]

Yesterday me and 2 other carnos (2fg and a sub) casually lived off ai on a 30 person server haha

We never got to full food, but we were consistently above half

[gaunt magnet]

Feel like some baby goats or chickens, smaller AI, should be in the sanctuaries for carnivores

[vital rampart]

when you as a bird deceid to be friendly towards a pack of herbs and they insta kill you for no good reason. I fully understand why everyone is out for blood now. when everyone goes agaisnt the nature of the creature you take just for the lolz you cant complain then when everyone and everything kills you on sight

[pastel brook]

@vital rampart the reason AI is not working well is because it was very performance intensive they will be readding the AI back once they fix it

[vital rampart]

cool

[cloud harness]

Ankylosaurus

[vital rampart]

@bitter rover just wondering want about my suggestion of pigs being nerfed did you disagree with? you believe it should be a literal tank that one-two shot kills over half the animals in the game?

[bitter rover]

i feel like its relatively realistic because wild pigs fight back, i dont think it should two shot you and ive died to pigs quite a bit as a little guy, but theyre relatively ok to kill when youre not a baby, just chunk you a bit

[vital rampart]

yea they do but they offten dont really kill anything (aside from people and over animals smaller then it is) so something about a pig being abble to one shot a teen carno doesnt sit right with me

also by the same logic goats fight back if threated does that mean we should make them one shot too? so do turtels some frogs but the one in game the bull frog? that fights back. chickens defend them selfs and their young.

at what point does it become dumb to just make things kill you simpley because theres a 1% chance it could happen irl

[sullen igloo]

they do less than 50 damage per bite, if you get 1 shot by that, you were damn near fresh spawn

dont want to die to a pig? dont attack something known to be incredibly defensive and hard to kill

especially as a fresh spawn

fwiw, chickens also fight back (i died to one as a juvie troodon once lol)

and yes, goats should fight back 🗿

[vital rampart]

k they deal 50dmg they two shot my raptor while im latched to it, as a sub adult. so if they deal 50 and i got two shot that makes raptors have the hp of that of a goat. witch pure bs. 100% if raptors have that low of hp. they should either give raptors more hp or lower the damage of the pig, but seeing as its a pig related issue it should put the nerf on to the pig

[sullen igloo]

buff rabbit, chicken, and potentially a new dots AI spawn rates, and have deer/boar/goat fight back

encourage juvies to easily be able to get smaller ai, while still being able to hunt larger ai like goat/deer/boar with some minor risks

[sullen igloo]

considering it doesnt 1 shot FG troodon, and troodon only has 60 health...

[vital rampart]

I did say 1 to TWO shots most things, that still falls under two shoting so im not really sure what the arguement was there? that its not insta-death? sure. but 2 second death really isnt much better man, not a great argument

[sullen igloo]

so maybe the solution is (and this may be crazy) dont attack the crazy steroid boars if you can not take them out

because frankly if you arent heavy enough to pin it as omni, im seriously doubting this is a pig issue and not a "im hunting this animal well above my abilities right now" issue

i will say boars have an issue hitting you from any side, which IS a valid concern and should be looked into

[vital rampart]

bro you cant pin it if its in the water.

but if your logic is well then dont attack it? sure keep that same engry when your food runs out and you gotta fight it as its the only thing you can eat then dont complain when you die to it. after all. shouldve just not fight it

[sullen igloo]

omni trying to fight in water

and this is a pig issue?

interesting

[vital rampart]

an animal that is biologicaly designed to eat grass killing an animal like its nothing thats biological designed to kill it.

no your right its a skill isues for sure

[sullen igloo]

... brother

tell me youre from somewhere without boar without telling me

you can put SEVERAL bullets in the damn things and theyll continue to run at you and try to gore you to death

[vital rampart]

where are you aiming?

3.08 round to its dome its not running to crap

[sullen igloo]

literally anything other than a headshot

[vital rampart]

theres your problem lol

[sullen igloo]

"this animal can take several bullets if its not a head shot and run people down and gore them"

and you still think they just... eat grass?

as if pigs as a whole dont eat literally anything?

[vital rampart]

they can eat you but they normaly eat grass fruits veg, frogs brids small things normaly.

but no if we walk it back in history pigs goats and cows have been whats been hunted and killed for millions of years.

yes this animal wasnt designed or evoled to be an apex predator its ment to be prey.

your arguing "yes it should have a gun and kill you because your dumb enough to think you can hunt stuff"

if we simplefie it. its just wrong.

yes pigs should be abble to hurt you. NO PIGS SHOULDNT BE SOMETHING THAT KILLS MOST THINGS ON SIGHT. there not a xenomorph its a pig. it should be huntable. with out having to max out your dino befor hand that makes ZERO sense. thats like saying yea you can refuel your car but only after you drive 80,000 more kilometers that makes just no sense.

[silent patrol]

i just think that the baby boars should do less damage as ive survived a attack from a adult but the baby 1 shots the PT

[sullen igloo]

TRUE

[silent patrol]

as well as bringing back the "damage feedback" sounds to the AI. love not knowing if i land a hit as a PT

[sullen igloo]

more AI need damage sounds for sure. thankfully they gave them to the turtles

[silent patrol]

they had them but something broke i supose

[sullen igloo]

now that you mention it i didnt hear them when i killed one as carno earlier today

[silent patrol]

goats i know have lost their voices when hurt

[silver raven]

You'd be lucky to kill a boar with a single headshot
Or you have a big gun

[silver raven]

You may have noticed that throughout the ages, people have always formed groups and used entire packs of hunting dogs to hunt boars. There is a reason for that.

[vital rampart]

sure for us people sure were not biologicaly built to hunt anything. thats why we use tools

[silver raven]

"Not biologically built to hunt anything" ? Are you serious ?
Even if that was true, let's use wolves as an example then. Wolves also need to form groups to kill boars.

[vital rampart]

name me one animal you could kill as in you the person as you stand right now, name one you could kill with your barehands? thats what i thought. your not built to kill it, now I give you a gun changes things right? we need tools to hunt we are selfs are not built to hunt a raptor on the other hand is.

as far as the wolfs thing, no they dont the sick together because there a pack animal they have a need for one another much is true for us humans we choose a mate and stick with that mate for life. same is true for dogs.

how ever that side it isnt true for things like birds spiders or even bears. they mate. the male leaves then the mom protects until old enough the cubs or lings. go out and start the cycle of life again.

but needed? i have seen my dog kill animals befor just by violently shaking at ther neck till it snaps, are you trying to tell me boars are so much better then what hes been hunting. cap

[silver raven]

Two thirds of what you said is unrelated to my point
The rest is missing the point, sadly

[sullen igloo]

cats, large dogs, probably a coyote, anything smaller than 140 pounds really

granted i would also get supremely messed up, but by god i am strangling whatever attacks me before i go down

[silver raven]

First issue is most games tend to make boars into the "easy prey" animal, which makes people belive that's what they actually are

[vital rampart]

your point was that you need more then one thing to kill a boar unless your last comment was just nothing.

and you had no point, your upset that someone is calling for a nerf too something you like.

[sullen igloo]

i could be like that guy that got attacked by a mountain lion and promptly strangled it to death with his bare hands

[silver raven]

Second issue is Isle boars favor attacking over running away, as opposed to irl boars
However, everything in the isle favors attacking over running away

[vital rampart]

ok man that would be a fun show are you selling tickets to it?

[sullen igloo]

wait a minute now im not saying i want to fight a mountain lion

maybe if you put me in the ring with a coyote and told me the winner gets to live

maybe 2 coyotes... maybe

[silver raven]

Being under the threat of death makes people do funny things

[vital rampart]

interesting you think very highly of your self

[sullen igloo]

when the answer to a problem is fight or die, you bet your bottom dollar i am fighting to the last breath

[vital rampart]

or dumb things, depending on how you look at it

[sullen igloo]

... which brings me to my point actually

[vital rampart]

i have no doubt

[sullen igloo]

the boar isnt fighting to kill you per se, its genuinely fighting for its life. (blah blah video game but still). its going to do everything within its power to make sure you either run away or you're 6 feet under before you put it 6 feet under

that boar is giving its all. and a boar giving its all vs a 150-200kg omniraptor? god have mercy on that omni

[silver raven]

Also consider isle boars are massive

They're what, 300kg ? That's one hell of a hog
Meanwhile all of our previous example were about regular-size boars

[sullen igloo]

this may be egotistical but the transition from my coyote vs me to boar fighting for its life transition was so smooth man im just that GOOD

[sullen igloo]

around there, yes

[quartz surge]

how can i spawn elite fish in north lake?

[frozen elm]

Swim around looking for them and eventually you'll get some. Patience and moving around is the key.

[celest dragon]

How do you join a server ?

[wide lantern]

@dense phoenix r u perchance a ptera lol

[dense phoenix]

No i am deino

The AI spawns are so broken and make 2/3 lifes pointless as you die of starvation before seeing anything to eat. This is why you see people mixpacking to make the most of food and AI together.

Stuff should spawn near players. How hard is that? Maybe make it so that the AI are the reason players run into each other. Make they super easy to find, smell, hear, etc. This will force players to run into each other and fight over bodies and such. As it is, its so RNG and makes the game feel empty AF

Wow as I reached orange health, two schools of fish and an elite spawn in on the other end of the lake. Why are they spawning all at once.

[dense phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[pastel brook]

@dense phoenix https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wzO0UKbDKEkWYhP3Gbab7swuXGJlHssQ/view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyWdkt1u2Kg

[solar citrus]

when a troodon envenoms u can u sit or not?

[dense phoenix]

who is amarok lol

[pastel brook]

the Dev that works on AI

[silent patrol]

ITS FINALY OUT

[cinder burrow]

Fasinating video in terms of seeing how AI functions on a server with only a single player. Wish it were how it worked on Official servers and the larger unofficials.

[silent patrol]

problem there would be too many AI spawning and causing server crashes like when it was not restricted and was more random

but yeah... got to try to find more players to follow around to get better odds but no gaurentee that you can get what you want either...

[cinder burrow]

yep. Actually talked to the guy and he mentioned that spawns are just on a global timer, which then just goes down the player list and spawns in a set order till slots run out. So people at the bottom of said list are just SOL unless they happen to roam near players that it worked for.

Feel like the list should be randomized. But

[silent patrol]

interesting interesting. and i assume it also spawns like a few at once...

[silent patrol]

or favor those in /near migration zones and patroll zones

[cinder burrow]

That for sure. PZs are just teasing carns at the moment. "Hey. Maybe something is here. Maybe something isn't"

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-maybe-not-dingam-the-departed-probably-perhaps-gif-313196895503001922

[silent patrol]

#ai-feedback-discussion message
@slow pumice

[lean wedge]

Fish spawns usually increase or pop up after rainfall.

[silent patrol]

interesting. will keep this in mind

[lament sapphire]

<@&933486433342222376>

[mighty orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fi1HPfuKmk The idea of the compi ai is awesome, and afterwards i had seen I killed one. which im assuming triggered all of them to run away

[kindred perch]

Am i the only one that didnt struggle to find ais

Or is it bc i didnt play a lot

[vestal skiff]

I don’t have any trouble either tbh

Since Ai spawns are prioritized where there’s a lot of players, I just hang around the popular spots or water sources

[topaz lichen]

while i know its a bug the pictures of a thousand compies / pteradactylus is so funny lol low key wish that was kept

[silent patrol]

wrong. it's not prioritized where there is more players

they spawn around players going down the player list on a timer, more people in a area = more spawns.

[untold pelican]

It depends. As Troodon I am able to find enough food and even diet almost everywhere , but as Cera I'll starve, as soon as I leave certain areas.

[untold pelican]

There is a timer for a player list?

[silent patrol]

imagine seeing the list of players, going down the list and spawning Ai at their spawns then going to the next player on the list and doing the same and so on. assuming all the players in a area are next to each other on that list... Boom, Spawn, Spawn, Spawn

[untold pelican]

Interesting. It means, it doesnt matter, where I am on the map, AI will spawn, if I'm waiting long enough?

[silent patrol]

yeah but if you are in a 100+ person line... and then it's what spots the Ai Spawn at, infront of you? behind you? the forest to the side? did your "Ai line ticket" already get spent while you were walking?

that is why it's best to have a group or wander around where there is/was players.

that is why hotspots have more Ai around them

[untold pelican]

Makes totally sense. But sad, we cannt explore the Island as a solo cera.

[spark vessel]

Why is the map just a huge empty wasteland. I swam around for half an hour looking for fish as a croc. There were no fish. In a swamp. On a jungle island. Really thought you guys would have fixed this by now. The game could be amazing but its like you hate the people who play it. Its just annoying to play you just roam around starving FIX THE AI

[silent patrol]

well as long as people dont give up when they die... you would have alot of food via smelling their rotting corpses and... rotting corpse means someone was in the area so more AI chances lol

[wind saffron]

"THEY FLY NOW?"

[primal trench]

@craggy bluff you have to duck your head under some water to avoid those things

[craggy bluff]

huh, thats pretty funny. Do i just swim then?

[primal trench]

you have to jump into the water or divebomb into it

if you swim with your head above the water they'll still attack you

but once your head is under they usually disappear

[craggy bluff]

Ah thank you!

[primal trench]

np

there's also another method, but you usually starve before it's successful. you just fly straight until they despawn

[craggy bluff]

damn, they acually despawn? They usally charge after me untill they get my fish or kill ne

[primal trench]

yeah, but i have noticed on ptera they tend to chase longer

[frozen elm]

Would be OK if we could kill them and eat them though, since they are in our diet. Lol

[lament sapphire]

<@&933486433342222376>

[frosty plaza]

<@&933486433342222376>

[silent patrol]

why we talking about the pteradactulus AI when they have been disabled on the 11th

[untold pelican]

They are not disabled on HT.

[silent patrol]

the AI is disabled, the sound traps are not AI, those are sound traps and hurt boxes with visual effects like the bees

[untold pelican]

Playing Ptera rn(ht, eu server), my friend is on yellow health bc of pteros. Seems like they still in the game

[silent patrol]

not the AI ones, you encountered the sound trap ones

[untold pelican]

Sound traps attack, steal fish and make damage?
Thats what dinos1611 talked about.

[silent patrol]

the ones going after your fish is not the scav AI. its just differently shaped bees

[lean forum]

Please regular fish spawns in the north east lake and rivers please

[silent patrol]

they do. learn how to get them to spawn, drink from the water, stay "near" the banks ect ect

[timber island]

in hordetesting they regularly spawn

[minor matrix]

i feel like ive been walking for hours to ai spaws yet never seen one and ive died 6 times from starvation

[lean forum]

Thanks!! Is there any way you can correct deino underwater visual ability 😂😂 it’s terrible may as well be blind 😂😂

[silent patrol]

if you are at the surface you can angle the camera at a certain angle to basically see everything clearly.
when swimming you can hold alt and it will lock your elevation as long as you are moving, you can do this close enough to the surface to see and still be somewhat hidden from those above water but other deinos below will obviously see you.
for moving more stealthy from the other deinos I like to hold ctrl and crawl on the bottom of rivers and holding shift to shmove fastah

[silent patrol]

@twilit scaffold those are not AI, just 2d hurtboxes simular to bees

press G to drop fish on land and wait a min or grab another fish and drop it elsewhere

[cunning badger]

@lusty cairn I would also love to see that, Would also be nice with some ocean ai aswell like seals or something like that 😄

[wintry linden]

<@&401466542140817419> scam

[indigo anchor]

ngl i have found the ai much easier to find since maia was added - ive even seen a rabbit! and several chickens

[stoic river]

Liar.

[stoic river]

Rabbits are a myth. Just like Hypsi players.

Do they make any sounds?

[indigo anchor]

nope

[stoic river]

RIP

[indigo anchor]

the chickens are super noisy though

[wet spruce]

😦

[stoic river]

The myth. The legend.

[indigo anchor]

also you are going to believe this even less but before restart i heard at least three different hypsi players screaming their heads off at each other

never saw any of them tho

you know what ive never seen? dryo

[wet spruce]

I play those too 😂

[indigo anchor]

well, i lie, i saw it once and the only reason i saw it was because a friend wanted to play it and was following my steg around

damn

what else do you play? a unicorn?

[wet spruce]

I'd play the rabbits if I could, but I'm not convinced that rabbits are actually in this game.

"Screenshots," you say.

Photoshop, I say. 😂

[stoic river]

AI generated, clearly

[indigo anchor]

its the first and only rabbit ive seen to date 😂 only saw it because i had the luck of it spawning on the rock right in front of me

of course this happens when it isnt even on my diet

first time i saw a chicken was as a dibble lmaoooo

[stoic river]

Killing it was the right move. Can’t let more people see them

[indigo anchor]

i had damn near 300hrs of evrima gameplay before i saw that chicken

[wet spruce]

Same thing happened to me! I had a chicken spawn in right in front of me! ....As a dryo. AI hates me when I'm a carni.

[indigo anchor]

and this is 400hrs and a major update before i saw the rabbit

TRULY

playing a herbi: ai everywhere
playing a ptera: all the boars and deer you can see, but nothing you can hunt (easily)
playing any other carni: ai whomst

[coral ice]

literally i just saw like a chicken and two boar and a deer frozen in water as a ptera

[lusty cairn]

Ive seen chickens but more commonly after a server restart
They kept attacking my babies

[viral spear]

is it normal for the frogs to be rediculously hard to catch as a baby pteradon?

[night sequoia]

Your lucky yor found a frog haha

[viral spear]

maybe? they are really hard to spot. But sometimes it is just about finding it from audio cues. Problem was I can't outrun iit. Couldnt hjit it while flying either

[tender light]

ai is broken when the hotfix it ?

rabbit need to make noise i found 2 in my play time ever by luck looking down when standing still lol

[silent patrol]

their sound is them running away...

[silent patrol]

@glad tangle yeah the baby boars seem to do godly amount of damage, probably not tested often due to the rng of spawns and finding one while in a state where they would fight and not just run away

[stoic river]

Had a baby boar nearly one shot my adult Herra. Imagine my shock. 😂

[fluid lintel]

a baby boar one shot my adult pteranodon lol

[fluid lintel]

true but honestly i think the tacos are worse. i always hear them call but never find them and when i do find their burrows almost none of them have a taco

[lusty cairn]

I have never seen one in game all the pictures i thought were modded or smth 😭

[fluid lintel]

They are real but they go into their burrows before you can even see them

[ruby void]

The damage of young wild boar and adult wild boar seems to be the same, causing many injuries to dilo in 5 seconds, and then dilo turned into a yellow line.

[gusty helm]

more players-less ai and less players-more ai

someone know if it owrk like that?

[peak acorn]

They used to not move. Both the frogs and the rabbits are very hard to catch now. Hopefully they will slow them down some

[lusty cairn]

I dont think it work like that
Soneone said previously it worked its way down the playerlist or smth

[frozen elm]

#ai-feedback message

So then as a raptor find a Maia, and follow it for the ai. Think outside the box.

[covert bridge]

do ai only spawn if vips on the server ?

[west trench]

rn yeah

[tender light]

0 fish and other ai is bugged HOT FIX ASP

[covert bridge]

Meat its 100000 more rare then a full grown plant eater good job nice game

[untold pelican]

@prisma ivy yesterday and today Ive found so much AI like I havent seen for weeks: many boars, deers, goats, tacos, rabbits, i've seen fishspawns in the swamps, delta, ponds.. For me it looked like they increased AI spawns back again.
Ive played EU 2, EU 6 and NA..4?

[prisma ivy]

Ig it's just my luck but I'm still new to the game but I can never find any ai creatures and just end up dying

[empty shuttle]

No AI is so hit and miss, Fresh after a server restart and there is AI everywhere but give it a little and then nothing unless your lucky. Love the game and can see so much potential but as a carnivorous dino the odds are so stacked against you. Why do herbivores get mushrooms that give you all three diets but nothing for the carnos.

[pearl temple]

Did you join within 1 hour after a restart? I've seen that the reason for no ai is cause they don't despawn. They just get scared off from really far away and run into a rocky grave 2km out where nobody is going to look

[pearl temple]

played for like 5 or 6 hours today, saw zero AI and like 4 starved carni bodies

[dark monolith]

RIP carnos

[untold pelican]

Starting with carnivore is hard atm. I'd suggest to start with omni or dilo and find a group(south plains, west rail, highlands), or start with herbi(galli) to explore the map and learn where to find food and players.

[untold pelican]

Both. Played 2h bevore restart yesterday, played troodon at east coast, in the jungle north east of delta to swamp sanctuary. We were full on food all the time. Killed boars just for one or two bites.

[pearl temple]

lucky asf

servers js restarted so its gon be good for a bit

[untold pelican]

I guess :/

[quiet zinc]

I also did eu2 so idk

[elfin mauve]

Yeah on official I starved too. Went to an unofficial and they had fixed the ai and I had no trouble growing up and actually had a lot of fun.
I wonder if the developers think stress and frustration = fun.

[ocean ruin]

does anyone know why i keep getting attacked as a ptera by some ai birds when i catch fish ? i cant even kill them and they keep on killing me

[untold pelican]

Ye they a little too aggressive. Fly away in a staight line, do 1-2 little sprint bursts. It will drain your stam but you will survive. Eat your fish immediatly after landing, the birds will disappear. If you lost your fish, just sniff, you will find and can eat it unharmed where you dropped it.

[ocean ruin]

@untold pelican ahhhh okay thank you , but why did they add them ? they are just annoying lmao

[untold pelican]

To make surviving harder and keeping und busy i guess

[untold pelican]

We were on Eu6 as troodon

[quiet zinc]

i was herrera

[remote ermine]

@lament sapphire I’d love to know why you disagree

[lament sapphire]

makes carnivores too easy that's all

[remote ermine]

Have you played much carnivore recently?

[lament sapphire]

if there's not threat of starvation since food spawns near you when your hungry it makes things too easy rn the way ai works is broken which is why the issue we have rn is happening

[remote ermine]

So herbivore is too easy

We should delete patrol zones

Force them to follow migration

[lament sapphire]

herbivores are supposed to be easier then carnivores they literally can't starve

since grazing exists

[remote ermine]

Exactly

And I’ve heard the “it’s broken” a lot but doesn’t seem to be a fix in sight and until then starving to death simply because of bad luck is rampant

[lament sapphire]

I don't mind carnivores being hard to grow not with how it right now but I don't want them to be as easy as herbis are

[remote ermine]

The fact alone that you can lose over 2 hours of progress simply cuz of bad luck is ridiculous

[lament sapphire]

yeah

[indigo anchor]

If youve just spawned in you wont be able to eat the fish fast enough upon landing
Best thing to do is to catch the fish, sprint to the nearest dry land, immediately drop it, look where you dropped it - if the pteras are swarming it then leave it alone until the go away (should take 30-60 seconds or so, i didnt time it) and then eat it off the ground. Do NOT pick it up again
Once you are big enough to swallow it whole, then you can sprint to the nearest land or tree and eat it immediately
I recommend trying to preferably scavenge or else go for a different ai like frog, rabbit or chicken for your first meal as a ptera

[remote ermine]

But it’s to a point of absurdity in difficultly if your unlucky enough for a super pack like in my description to appear you practically have to give up on playing on that server as everything will get killed and you’ll be left begging for something to spawn which won’t happen

And those kinda packs are rampant on NA servers rn

NA 1,2 and 5 are almost always plagued by massive mix packs 1 is hacker hub

And with Ai being the way they are you might as well give up on playing if you see those groups

[ocean ruin]

thank you very much, the thing is , the chance that some ai chickens or rabbits spawn is very low at the moment haha

[remote ermine]

Plus rabbits noise is so hard to tell apart from ambient noise cuz it’s so quiet

[lament sapphire]

I'm not gonna sit here and act like there isn't an issue with the way ai works currently but I don't want carnivores to be in a state where they are too easy to survive and grow

if they can improve and fix the current system I think it'll be fine

[remote ermine]

You never did answer my question if you played carni recently

[lament sapphire]

the devs are on break there isn't going to be one

[lament sapphire]

I do I know it's rough rn

[remote ermine]

I’m gonna assume not which is your choice but I don’t think it should be that much harder than herbi

[remote ermine]

Cera mainly ?

[lament sapphire]

carno

[remote ermine]

Good on you I’ve seen cera has really good luck with Ai for some reason

Haven’t played carno in a solid minute

Needa do a carno grow when I get a chance

[lament sapphire]

yeah but I gtg thanks for talking with me

[remote ermine]

Np appreciate the response

[untold pelican]

If I spawn west access I fly to the west rail beach for turtles and tacos

[remote ermine]

You can find turtles and tacos? Bro has god tier luck as PT what de heck

[quiet zinc]

ngl saying herbi is hard to grow is not valid

[stoic river]

Facts

[timid lance]

Just a random thought/question.

Has anyone suggested a dynamic ai system in terms of adult carno population? I've seen people complaining about too many herbivores. Well the way to solve that would be increase carno population right?

So if there's not enough carnos reaching adulthood because the few adults are eating them and the herbis are too big. Why not just increase the AI spawn rate dynamically to make it easier (at least a little) to grow. As soon as the adult carno population reaches a certain number the AI spawn rate decreases.

I imagine it's been said before but I just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

[fallow spoke]

Just a fact check; carnivores are by and far much more popular than herbivores and omnivores. This image is from an unofficial server (Petis) with species limits on population, so the data will be different here than officials. I suspect the amount of carnivores is even higher on officials.

While your idea is good in theory; the sad problem is the AI just end up spawning in bad spots right now, so it will need fixing. So I almost hope we get to a point where AI are too easy to find, just so the devs can then potentially do what you describe. Right now the problem is consistency so hopefully they can solve that.

[timid lance]

Fair enough, I was just going by a few things I saw on the reddit. 🙂 Thanks for the info.

[fallow spoke]

Yeahhhh don't go off the reddit.

The problem is hardly with carnivores and herbivores and more that the foundational food chain is a bit broken rn and just needs time to be fixed is all

[pearl temple]

its not that they necessarily spawn in bad spots, they get scared off at an unreasonable distance (before you could ever realistically find them) then run off into the parts of the map nobody goes, or glitched spots where you get stuck in the rock or smth

[fallow spoke]

That too; though I recall a dev stating that some were spawning inside mountains

[pearl temple]

and they don't despawn, so they just stay there

[pearl temple]

lol seems like they gotta fix that too

[fallow spoke]

yeeep. AI have been a bit of a pain for a while for them. Hopefully after the break they make some headway

[pearl temple]

easiest fix would add a mechanic that despawns them after like 10 minutes without seeing anybody, and have them respawn

[sleek granite]

Yup

[untold pelican]

Turtles are at west rail beach near the sactuary and tacos are there too. And you find tacos at north east plains, east beach(south east of east plain wich is now east lake) and in swamps sanctuary.

[violet quartz]

This is so basic it's practically insane this isn't how it was to begin with

[pearl temple]

fr like that should've been added when the ai were

[remote ermine]

Imma be real in my time of playing the last month around 100 hours ish I have seen 2 turtles neither of which where by west rail or west access and not on anything that eats them.

Let alone finding tacos

Lil bass make 1 call and go silent

[remote ermine]

@indigo frost they aren’t on the diet?

[indigo frost]

Pterodactylus^^

[remote ermine]

wtf that doesn’t show up for me

[remote ermine]

Magic

[indigo frost]

would be okay if we could eat them tho

but like wtf, ive spent 10 plus minutes dive bomvbing them and cant catch them

[indigo frost]

straight up tho, im new and on my 7th run, have yet to see a crab or turtle

theyre a myth afaic

[remote ermine]

Fr

[indigo frost]

latest run;no fish in west link lake, fly up coast till death lmao

[remote ermine]

Stuff should sown at lazy lake

If not hillside in west rail will def have some

[indigo frost]

Need saltwater fish too imo, doesnt make sense to have no fish in the ocean

[remote ermine]

The isle never been much for sea activity

[untold pelican]

In hordetest and since the last Update on evrima I hardly found any turtles, but the last few days have been more successful in that regard.

[untold pelican]

Yes thats a problem, especially when they spawn between bushes and trees.

[untold pelican]

If you spawn west access, fly south along the coast to south plains. Stay at the beach to try to find a turtle/taco. You will make it to south plains, there is always fish spawn. Dont try west rail, fish doesnt always spawn there in time.

[eager cedar]

I'm new to the game, only downloaded today. Is there a certain trick to getting ai to spawn? Like lurking in the same area or something. I just spent 15 minutes almost starving to death and swimming down stream and saw absolutely nothing.

[silent patrol]

the scav ai is not enabled. what you are encountering is not THE SCAV AI

[snow tundra]

people would play cera over carno

im seeing no ai, luckily im not the only one starving so im scavenging off of these dead guys

[fossil wyvern]

Just starved to death because I couldnt find fish..

[mental plinth]

i fell out the map and died

how to ge a regrow

[lusty cairn]

so long me

[elfin mauve]

AI is so screwed up, I hav no idea of what ai animals even exist.

[gaunt pivot]

I have no idea man, something is up with A.I and they just aren't spawning enough, everyone is starving

probably just not a good time to play imo

as much as that sucks

[lunar raptor]

same, just died running around in jungle after fresh start looking for anything to eat...

[nocturne stump]

its hit & miss for me. last restart i starved. this restart i found a rabbit, deer, boar and chicken all in the same clearing

its extremely inconsistent lol

[junior ice]

Only consistent spot I've found is that boars spawn on the eastern coast of East Lake

Aside from that, multiple spawn-to-starve carnivore searches have found absolutely zero AI to hunt

I've checked half the coastlines up and down as a ptera as well, never a single turtle or crab

[eager cedar]

I've been playing on the Hordetester and there is plenty Ai, but on the main servers there doesn't appear to be any

[pearl temple]

They spawn in, get scared off by someone, get jammed in a crack or really hidden, and stay there, until the next restart

they gotta add a despawn mechanic fr

[blissful oar]

They should despawn if there hadn’t been a player nearby for a while tbh

[gusty helm]

yeap, but is this a thing? it is hapening like so now or it need to be added

[rough flame]

<@&505047238674874368> stuck on NA5 Evrima, would love if I could get an admin kill or an unstuck, i already tried the unstuck in game name is vipersxx

[blissful oar]

Not yet, im saying that that could be a feature to fix ai. But they might have tried that before

[gusty helm]

wrong chanell

[rough flame]

omg

my bad

[gusty helm]

np, ur good

[rough flame]

yk, i accept death at this point so its fine 🤣

[gusty helm]

yea, i'm so up for it, like try that asap

[gusty helm]

if u insist, death sentence it is

[rough flame]

lmaoooo

[gusty helm]

your death will be a cruel one, ur sentence will be...... wait 30 min to die from starvation xD

[rough flame]

im still blue health from starvation thank god i have interesting friends otherwise i would've logged off already🤣

[rough flame]

if i could give cords to my location, i would

[untold pelican]

Someone said, elite fish could kill a fg beipi. Havent experienced aggro fish with fg beipi, but as fresh spawn croc you can charge attack Elite fish wich wants to eat you. They will flee.

[weary sequoia]

hello, whats happening with pterodyctls attacking pteras ?

[fallow spoke]

Ai is bugged just dive into water to make them despawn. Hopefully will be fixed next patch

[trim scarab]

when is the next update comming so there is more AI I DONT WANNA STARVE AS A CARNI

lmao

[junior ice]

advice brought to you by the Deino Mafia

[stoic river]

Make sure to swim in two full circles to make sure they despawn twice. 😉

[analog carbon]

I will try horde server. I had been interested in it anyway and if theirs more AI there than I will stay.

[tawdry stone]

i'll give it a shot to its driveing me insane

[analog carbon]

so far ive had much more luck on hordetesting. also queue times are shorter. MUCH more fish available.

[tawdry stone]

i found a BIT more on horde test... problem is after the server reset and spanwed the AI they were plentaful but overzealous carnivores ran around murdering them, along with any other carnivores who got anywere NEAR them most of the bodies were never finished and left to rot wich only benifits Cera...and the carni doing the killing at the time was a carno. If it moved, he chansed it down and killed it indiscriminenetly...AI then proceeded to be non existent again everywhere I looked.. Jungles center of map and east were empty the west side wich allways have everybody on it because it's apparently the only playable area XD were hunted down to nothing the code foe spawning AI must be spawning Stuck some place were it's registereing them as active, and probably has a global limit of AI allowed either in each area or on the isle total...long story short I went right back to starving after the first glorious few minuts XD there is Clearly something wrong with the AI coding.

if my hunch is correct and its spawning PLUNTY of AI just not in places they can be found or killed, then increasing the Volume of AI animals wont do jack..I do kinda hope it's something less complicated though and all the devs have to do is come back from vacation, gawk at the game controls through bleary eyes while clutching your morning coffee and say "oh...crap...we set that to low...ok " flips switch if were only so lucky XD

[fallow spoke]

Small reminder its new years and the devs have been on break since christmas. They cant exactly make changes until they come back so id just wait or play other dinos/games till they come back. This is one of the rougher patches but that happens with in-development games sometimes.

Yes, the devs realized that AI were having issues a while ago but it was making server performance bad. Before, there used to be maybe 400 ai at a time and 100 would be stuck. Now its 200 and 100 are still stuck as an example. Hordetest did have much better AI though so hopefully theyll figure out why that didnt pass onto the evrima patch.

[silent patrol]

Thank you!

[stiff pine]

Does thr AI spawn properly yet?

[thorny dragon]

@lament mica The map is unofficial and made by community members

[lament mica]

oh, sorry then, wasnt aware, well maybe make a official one is a good idea?

[tawdry stone]

i would love an in game map or navigation tool even if it's only showing you were you are roughly on the island. so i dont have to alt tab out constently to figure were Were im going to starve to death on the way twords! XD

[hybrid ice]

99% of my death are to ai, because they just don spawn... how blind are the devs ?

[snow tundra]

is it actually that hard to fix starving simulator

[fallow spoke]

@hybrid ice @snow tundra

[hybrid ice]

@fallow spoke i get it, im on my break too and hoped to have fun in the isle but ...

[pastel brook]

@stable raft its not a easy fix

[fresh stone]

Just delete 30% of the map, make better spawn . the perfomance will be large better and you can make more ia

[atomic cloak]

hi i have a question im not sure if its the right place to ask but, why are the pterodactyls on Ptera's diet if we can't harm them, even when they swarm us ?

[fresh stone]

After more than 10 times die of starvation, i go uninstall

[stable raft]

How is it not? Increase the ai spawn rate and or increase server size/decrease map size.

[sweet token]

im stuck is there anyone who can help me ?

[hybrid ice]

./unstuck

[sweet token]

doesnt work

[pastel brook]

cause AI would take up server slots so it would either be less performance for more players but increasing AI also the servers they use arent the best

[snow pecan]

has anyone seen a single compy in the past 6 months?

[glacial jolt]

pretty sure those are just a myth bro

[knotty steeple]

They were disabled for performance reasons

[snow pecan]

Yet still take up a diet slot... I see thank you for information 👍

[last bobcat]

Yes. When you dig them out with the galli. But thats the only way

[pure prism]

Is there any dev that can summarize what's going on with the ai on official servers? I have not seen an appropriate ai to eat for several play sessions now, and when I have gone to search the patrol zones, none are existent. If this has been answered I apologize.

[fallow spoke]

The devs went on winter break right after this last patch to get maia out to the public. The AI were working fine in Hordetest before now so the buggy AI unfortunately was not anticipated is my guess. Just gotta wait till they get back. Sometimes a patch will be rough in an in dev game 🤷

[light mountain]

the problem isn't the spawn rate of the ai because immediately after a server restart they spawn just fine. The issue is either something keeping ai from despawning or keeping ai from spawning after they initially spawn

[atomic haven]

Ye directly after reset is good eating but it's like they just don't spawn again after that

[atomic haven]

The ai not spawning appropriately after initial spawn is literally a spawn rate issue wdym

[light mountain]

thats not a spawn rate issue

[atomic haven]

What?

The rate at which they spawn is low or non existent

[light mountain]

when people say spawn rate, they're referring to how many ai spawn when they spawn

[atomic haven]

No theyre not

[light mountain]

thats not what this is

i guarantee you they are

[atomic haven]

Okay lol

[light mountain]

the issue is not the volume of ai that spawns, it's the trigger for ai to spawn and what's preventing that from happening

[atomic haven]

yes

and essentially now the spawn rate (the rate of which they spawn) is like every 6 hours or whenever resets are (atleast thats how it feels)

its whatever anyway

I agree with ur overall point

[stoic river]

BB is correct, spawn rate = how fast/often they’re spawning, nothing to do with volume.

[fresh stone]

2h30 find one chicken and a dead corspe ( die by starvation ) I go from north lake to the south, find no dino and no ia, die to starvation, this game is starvation simulator. Exit the game and uninstall . The map is too many large for 100 ppl

[snow pecan]

@civic seal frogs and chickens ( not sure on chickens) have ambient sound calls aswell in certain biomes), so maybe yuo are hearing the ambient sounds rather than actual ai calls

[civic seal]

Nope - tracking those. They arent positional and the frogs sound different. CHICKEN maybe?

But also who the hell puts ambient noises of the same animals we're supposed to use nothing but audio cues to find lmao cmon now xD

[snow pecan]

fr

kinda messed up imo

@golden current fr, starvation probably shouldnt cause wounded status, maybe a malnourished stat that debuffs in a different way

[tiny bobcat]

@sacred falcon It's not the AI spawns that are bad, it's the time it takes for them to respawn, that's why there's so much AI around after restarts.

[sacred falcon]

Ah yes I meant to write respawn, not spawn. Edited my post now, thanks

[silent patrol]

iirc... AI spawns like this

Game goes down the list of players on the server spawning AI at spots around them and after some time does the same to the next player on the server list and so on.

the volume of AI has been decreased or something because if there were TOO many AI it would cause server issues because some of the AI were spawning in areas that players could not access like under the map and inside rocks.

this video will only help learn how they spawn and what spots are decent locations to check for AI and how to find them easier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyWdkt1u2Kg

[boreal crown]

More Fish Everywhere please there is nothing nothing in the swamp and salt water

[hard solar]

More abundant AI would allow for more first-order carnivores and omnivores to prosper a bit. Needing to hunt down player enemies should be necessary for full size carnivores, but I think more AI would produce a much more satisfying gameplay loop for juvenile carnivores

[hard solar]

surefire way to find crabs is to sit on their spawn beaches right after a restart lol

I've eaten 3

[atomic haven]

Yeah I agree, it’s all well and good patrolling hot spots for food as a fully grown carnivore but it feels bad the most reliable way to feed a juvie also being running straight to said hot spots after spawn and hoping for some scraps

Or if you’re close to reset time just coming back directly after reset lol

[pastel brook]

turk said its outdated

[bright oar]

0 ai's 0 players starving and dying 😄

[sage siren]

Massive body of water on east coast has nothing to eat as a croc. Unplayable Spawn for that dino.

[stiff pine]

Is AI fixed yet…I don’t think I can play herbies anymore, I just don’t think my soul can do it.

[gusty helm]

ai spawn is usless like that, all this in one place after restart and a loot more run away, we need the ai to be spread out and spawning constantly

[hard solar]

Yes we found tacos, turtles and crabs on the beach in the few minutes after restart, then an hour later we came back and literally nothing spawns at all.

[hard solar]

@woven spear Yeah it's not a spawn rate issue, it's an issue with when they spawn I think.

I think them hiding is part of it but I think they also despawn or don't respawn when dead. I have hung around the beach for hours at this point and only ever see a single sign of life after a reset.

Once there's a reset there's a fair amount of them (maybe too many), but an hour later the beach is bare even with players around.

I've also never seen fish at the west access or west rail access ponds, but the river in south plains always has fish in it. Maybe the fish are able to spawn after a reset and don't despawn because the area is always populated?

[steady maple]

where can i find tacos

[lean elbow]

What do people mean by taco

[pastel pond]

its an ai spawn

they spawn on the coast mostly from what i see

[lean elbow]

How do I find ai

[indigo anchor]

In this game? You dont

Jokes aside, you have to listen out for them and learn the common spawn locations

My recommendation is to play a herbi and get a sense of where they are

Or maybe a ptera, if you can find someone to teach you to play it

[silent patrol]

its easy just... let the teacher grab the fish for the current patch

[calm isle]

I just experienced a pack of birds attacking my Stego. I wasn't near any sound traps, yet they kept following and assaulting my dinosaur, no matter how far I ran. Eventually, I had to log out to escape their relentless attack, as they had already reduced my health to orange* before I logged off. This can't be normal, right? How do you deal with them? It was incredibly frustrating to wait in a queue of over 50 players only to be forced to log out, unless I wanted my Stego to die to these seemingly unkillable AI creatures.

[pastel pond]

if they are following you jumping into water makes them go away other than that, they are buggy as

[lavish scarab]

why havnt the devs fixed the AI problem? feedback feels kinda useless when the entire comunity has been telling them to up the spawn rates on ai for weeks/months and the havnt even adressed it..

[thorny dragon]

They know about the issues and will begin working on them when they are back from their winter break

[lavish scarab]

the devs take the entire winter break off???

[thorny dragon]

Usually a few weeks covering Christmas and New Years

I believe they're back this coming week

[hard solar]

If i owned a game dev company and I was mad we took 2 weeks off, shoot me

[pastel brook]

💀 dude they work the entire year

they cant take 2 weeks off

also @hard solar AI does spawn at a current rate majority small AI like frogs chickens and rabbitd

[hard solar]

That may be the intention, and if it works it would be great, but I have never seen a frog in this game

[pastel brook]

I have found 10 in like like 5 mins

in a full server

they are norm in water

or far on land for some reason

[hard solar]

Really? I've seen crabs and turtles after a restart, I've seen a fair amount of pigs and goats, I've seen the occasional chicken (because they attack people) but I've never seen a frog or rabbit

Maybe the area I've been at isn't ideal for them. I mostly play Pterosaur and I haven't seen one around either NW ponds or South Plains

[lethal smelt]

My favorite thing is reading these feedback channels and watching brand new players make drastic conclusions from playing less than a week of this game
Without realizing how the game actually works 🤣
Like literally the AI situation is a bug that started 2 weeks ago and hasn't been fixed cause devs are on vacation. Not because thats the norm. It was fine before that since months.

[lunar flint]

i mean, its kinda fair tho. theres no tutorial or smh, so we just gotta figure it out ourselves. and that took me a little while

[lethal smelt]

Yeah I'm not blaming anyone
It's a fair reaction, none of the new ppl know
But it's just funny to read cause those who have played for a while know it's a bug and not actual intended mechanics

First instinct of most ppl is 'omg this is poor design let me suggest feedback' rather than 'oh this is a bug, let me report it'

[lunar flint]

thats true, ive worked on my own game, and i know how hard sh*t is when you work with a small group. people shouldve expected the game to be unfinisht cuz it says its early acces. people should do a little research before crying

[silver raven]

People don't even read the server rules here, you're expecting too much from them

[lunar flint]

fair

[verbal cloak]

all the AI is at the edge of the map stuck....

[lucid crystal]

A whole 3 ai! Wow! I once sawn a deer in swamps. Was looking for fish (there is no fish) or crabs (there is no crabs)

[wild ice]

AI spawning on cliffs

[full coyote]

whats up with the small birds when fishing with ptera ? they instantly spawn when I grab a fish and most likely kill me if I wont drop it fast enough

[rancid orchid]

have the same exact issue, they need to be nerfed/removed...

Its unbearable

[hard solar]

Once you get bigger you can take them while you make it to a tree to swallow your fish whole, but when you're a baby it's like 2 hits and they are invisible and invulnerable and fast

[stiff pine]

How are we mitigating this AI thing, I don’t need to tell you lot how frustrating it is

I ran to SP last night and snuck some food but that’s not viable long term for my raptor, eventually I’ll meet 2 dilos and that will be that

[hard solar]

They've said it's bugs and they're on a company-wide holiday break right now. Be patient

After resets they will all respawn

Not a solution but for now it's consistent

[rugged agate]

Is it just me or is it impossible for deinos to survive in ponds? There is absolutely no AI spawning on 80 ppls server pop. I am managing to catch only 1/2 frogs and will probably starve. And server just restarted...

[somber prairie]

I like the troodon digging for rabbits and compy suggestion, I love that ability on Galli

[tawdry stone]

i would VERY much like the ability to better "track" ai and so some extent other players... theres a skeliton for that in the game allready but it's very janky and kinda lack luster i would love to see it better flushed out and applied to both AI and to players. it will greatly improve my imersion if I can use scent in more ways then we currently do and track foot prents or blood trails a bit more consistently then right now. Instead of being a primordial preditor stalking prey through the tall grass... I kinda just hope i trip over something I can eat DX or see it from a ways off..

im sure im not alone in the belife that this would not only help with some of the food issue but be a lot more FUN as well =p

granted it should not be a Radar to help you find players and should fade over time or in bad weather faster perhaps? but the current tracking is VERY bare bones

[soft hatch]

Are AI spawns borked again?

[tawdry socket]

Im curious as well i went 2 hours without finding any food.

[soft hatch]

Yea, not even fish spawns right now.

[quartz axle]

@spring osprey go to the east side of delta around the passageway in the big ass fence. I have seen a decent amount of ai there as herrara. Prolly because nobody goes there anymore

[quartz axle]

I dont know how long it takes a small team to make a game like this, but it has been in early access for close to a decade, the recode happened like 3 years ago. I dont think a lot of people really care about the early access state anymore cause that’s how its been for so long.

Then again i dont know how long it takes to make a game with 4 or 20 people, just pointing out the amount of time already put into it.

[final skiff]

It is good to know when things are bugs, and man, they really did seem to fix it pretty quick. I’ve been seeing goats and deer and tacos like crazy now.

So I’ve been playing a little more today, and it seems like the Dactyl Death Swarm/Dactyl Bomb is fixed, maybe? At the very least I could catch a few fish and fly them away in peace for a change.
I personally don’t want to see the little Dactyls get taken out entirely, but maybe the swarming would be better if they worked like mobbing birds. One or two might attack, doing basically no damage, if their nest is threatened, rather than just when fish are being carried around. 🤷‍♀️

[knotty pawn]

I died to the ahole birds once today and then didn't really have any more issues after. I think it's just a bit messed up

[stable raft]

anyone elses audio when its raining buggy and it continues to sound like its raining when it isnt?

[onyx hare]

Nah ive died like 4 times to them, EVERY SINGLE TIME i catch a fish they swarm me relentlessly and kill me

[lean elbow]

How do I spawn ai

[lunar flint]

it has indeed been a long time, but it still says early acces for a reason.

[indigo anchor]

Whether they swarm you immediately seems to depend on which spawn you take the fish from as well as the age of your ptera

[tiny bobcat]

Just wait around their spawn zone , if they won't spawn it means someone alr ate them.

[white valley]

Are ai only spawning during server reset? I swear it’s the only time I can ever find them

[coral stump]

I don't understand how this issue can be left unfixed for weeks. The AI spawn bug is an issue so severe it should have been fixed with an emergency patch. Literally deters any new player off playing the game, I bought the game and literally can't play Troodon because of the issue, just starving every time. I've been holding off leaving a negative review these past weeks in hopes the issue would get quickly patched, but I'm starting to think this dev does not know what the priorities are

[fallow spoke]

The devs were on their once a year winter break and are back and working on it as was shown in #stream-announcements yesterday.

[white valley]

I’m honestly really loving this game as a new player. Very challenging at times for sure but I’m glad to hear the ai is simply bugged right now. It’s never fun starving 24/7

[tiny bobcat]

Where do mostly find AI?

[fallow spoke]

It isnt yeah. Ive been around for a long time this patch is just unfortunately a rough one. The AI were working fine on the testing branch and no one expected that to happen when it moved over so it was just bad luck really.

[white valley]

I like to look around the beach south of west rail access, then I’ll heck around west access too. South plains is normally decent depending on how long the server has been up

[white valley]

You really just gotta listen to them and track them down that way, I’m sure ai typically are supposed to spawn across the map, and the problem right now is I believe they aren’t really respawning if they die? Could be wrong

[tiny bobcat]

They do spawn but it takes a time for AI to respawn.

heres a AI map

[glad tangle]

I'm fairly new but I know I've found several fogs around the swamp and I don't see any on this map. Is this a recently created map or maybe something that has been passed around for a while?

[lyric lava]

I've had several games where I don't see or hear any AI and just die of starvation. It's really turning me off of the game tbh.

[proper sentinel]

yea i mean great dino simulator with every 2nd carnivore dying of hunger and every single herbivore growing out fully and literally hunting the remaining carnivores searching desperatley for ai

[fallow spoke]

@hollow hull dive underwater immediately after catching a fish. it will despawn the birds. they are bugged and should be fixed next patch

[lyric lava]

half the time I don't even see another player when I'm running around too

[proper sentinel]

yea because 20% is stacking as herbivore mixpack and the others are starving

[fading roost]

Is the AI fixed? Does AI actually respawn an hour after server resets now?

[indigo frost]

came here to ask the exact same question

[lament sapphire]

it appears to be fixed from what I've seen other people say about it haven't tried it out myself yet though

[fading roost]

Yeah, guess the only way to find out is to go into the previously known Starving Simulator and see if we starve constantly 😂

[fresh stone]

Is the ai fixed ?

[lethal smelt]

@obtuse furnace apexes are not meant to survive off ai
It should be torture to grow them
Fg apex should be a rare sight
Big no to large ai

[obtuse furnace]

That's why I said those small sauropods are supposed to be rarer

Even rarer than normal AI

[lethal smelt]

Should be zero

They should hunt players only

Keeping an apex alive should be purely skill only

[obtuse furnace]

Skill and luck are different things

Sometimes you are not going to be lucky to have a good meal or your 6 hours thing gonna die

[lethal smelt]

Good
That should be the case

[obtuse furnace]

Why do you enjoy losing 6 hours of your life

[lethal smelt]

You shouldn't be lucky to just walk up on a giant carcass to fill yourself easily
Starvation should be a threat

It's a brutal survival game
Death is part of it
Otherwise just give everyone infinite hp with no hunger bar

And btw apex should be 10 hrs not 6

If you don't want to lose that time, then simply don't play apex
There's plenty of small and mid tiers

[lyric lava]

Translation: I am a sadomasochist

[somber prairie]

If I don't wanna lose that time I wouldn't be playing a permadeath game

Or playing a long grow time hyoooj boi

The risk and "it could all be lost with a few mistakes" makes keeping one alive exciting to me at least

[lethal smelt]

Ppl don't realize the catastrophic consequences of having too many apexes on the map
It should never ever ever be easy to grow and sustain an apex

You want an easy time: don't play apex

[somber prairie]

Yeah, being top of the food chain shouldn't be easy, otherwise the entire server is flooded with allos, rexes, etc.

keeping a troo alive should def be a lot easier tho, and herbis easiest

(until a carni comes on the hunt anyway)

[cobalt wyvern]

maybe ai for adult carnis could work like grazing for herbis - only fills u up to lets say 10%
and ai should spawn more inside the migration zones so u can hunt there with ease but u WILL meet other hungry carnis as well

[fading roost]

Well colour me impressed. 2 hours til a server reset, servers full AND THERE'S AI TO HUNT IN THE SOUTH PLAINS, no more starving sim for carnivores

[lyric lava]

Excited to play today with how the AI sounds to have changed

[fading roost]

So much better man

[blissful oar]

@old garden there is still very much challenge with survival. Just as much as normal. It's much easier to hunt a carnivore as a carnivore than a herbivore so fighting for ai and food is still very much a thing

[gusty helm]

yayyy now i can finaly grow my ceras withouth needing to encounter someome, because of the imense amount of ai, and after that i can go rampage killing everything i see because i strong and i can
and if i die? who care xD. i will grow again because there is infinite food everywhere and i will do the same thig over and over

[stone kraken]

amazing now, great AI spawn, maybe a tad too much but yk what, I'll take it, I made it to FG as a Dilo first try

I think it will be a bit nerfed, which will be fine as well; counted 20+ AI next to the west lake spawn

[gusty helm]

either u like it or not, this is to much. the only problem we had was that the ai was inexistent 2 hours after restart and because of that was hard to get started but this is just ridiculous now.
in this stage u can lteraly play solo because there is so mutch food u will not need to kill anymore

[cloud dock]

can we have like a region ai system of sorts where if many players are detected in one spot the ai respawn rate increases ?

[fallow spoke]

....technically that already happens because AI spawn around players so more players = more AI

[old garden]

Hardly when ai is in abundance every 20 meters, don’t get me wrong I like ai glad it’s back and working but it is too much be honest. No fear of starvation, no pressure to succeed the hunt if you fail just go get ai and be full the entire play through. The only challenge for me on raptor or other carnis is not getting killed by another player that’s it, food is easy to obtain Im basically holding e to graze. The only thing I’d say good about all the ai is that it will make nesting ez pz. Just saying I don’t want to contest ai bodies I want to contest bodies with organs.

[blissful oar]

not getting killed by another player is literally the main threat of the game.

starvation is only a threat to part of the roster

[old garden]

Not anymore

[blissful oar]

which is fair

[old garden]

You can afk grow anything now go get ai calling 10 meters away and go bush up again

[blissful oar]

you could do that with non-carnivores anyway

[old garden]

Yeah shouldn’t be with carnis

[blissful oar]

that seems unfair

why can't carnivores but herbivores can?

[thorny dragon]

Herbivores shouldn't either

Nothing should be incapable of starving to death

[old garden]

Not really it’s always been that way, carni should be more of a challenge it’s a challenging game. You should hunt for food not be given a new every second. Ppl complain about legacy giving carnis food right on them but this is fine ??

[blissful oar]

but they can cuse grazing exists

[thorny dragon]

I know, that's why I think grazing should change

[blissful oar]

it's already a challenge to kill any herbivore that isn't pachy or dryo

[thorny dragon]

On top of that, herbivores having an easier time doesn't mean carnivores should get it equally as easy. They're meant to be the harder class to play

[blissful oar]

unless you're cera

[old garden]

I’m not crazy after all

[old garden]

Carni v carni will always be easy since they are same weight class damnear but v herbi they have tons on almost every carni

[blissful oar]

yeah? so?

[old garden]

Killing Maia isn’t hard takes time, killing dibs is fun takes time.

[old garden]

In Challenging game the challenge should have different levels. If I remember this is a hardcore survival, if they are giving out free food it’s not that hard core

[blissful oar]

my point still stands tho. Why should only carnivores be subjected to starving? Playing herbivores is also fun and you can also hunt people with it?

[old garden]

That’s apart of being a carnivore

[thorny dragon]

Everything should be subjected to starving

[blissful oar]

no it isn't

herbivores can starve irl

[old garden]

🤦‍♂️ are you just arguing to argue? Do you know the success rate of predators? They don’t land every hunt so they miss days of meals, if are stomachs didn’t drain so fast in game it wouldn’t be an issue

[blissful oar]

no, you just not disproving my point

[old garden]

Hunger should be a constant threat

[blissful oar]

I'm not saying that it shouldn't, but I'm asking why only part of the roster should be subjected to that

[old garden]

Starvation?

[blissful oar]

when herbivores can also starve irl

[blissful oar]

yeah but irl carnivores can go days without food

years even, depending on the animal

also, irl carnivores usually hunt the most dangerous herbivores for last. Not really a factor here since every herbivore can kill you pretty reliably

[lean elbow]

Did ai get fixed or no

[blissful oar]

(aside from dryo and pachy)

[blissful oar]

yes

[forest stirrup]

Herbi should be able to live by grazing but big debuffs for graze-only diet should exist. Carnivores should be able to survive on AI, but when they are adult+ it should be big struggle. i think thats fair for all. its a survival game in the end.

[magic dock]

its funny

horde of deers

[lyric lava]

Just like irl really

[blissful oar]

oh like real-

aight he beat me to it

[lyric lava]

If we want it to be realistic

10x the amount of deer

[blissful oar]

aight for the sake of the functionality of the server, no

let's not go that far

[lyric lava]

Hahahaha well we cant have it be realistic to that extent

The herbivores would be outcompeted by the deer

[blissful oar]

xD true

[silver raven]

Just steal Focus' swarm AI tech

Or the one the guys who made UEBS created

[lyric lava]

Me imaginging the dinos with UEBS physics rn

[static moon]

I see many here are unhappy with the current AI spawn. I have one question: what will suit you? No AI servers were not popular with players, I think this is a good argument in favor of the fact that people need AI food. I do not want to argue with anyone, I understand that there will always be different opinions and I just hope that the developers will take into account the positive feedback on the current patch, many people like this kind of food spawn, I hope it will not become a rarity again.

[lethal smelt]

Trust me 99% ppl are more than happy with the current state

[lyric lava]

Vocal minority

[static moon]

I agree, but I see that mostly only those who are unhappy write here, which can create the impression that the majority perceived this patch negatively. So I'm trying to diversify opinions in the discussion:D

[lyric lava]

Showing up for the happy crowd

[lethal smelt]

Only 3-4 posts, compared to dozens in the past weeks about not enough AI.

Ppl are happy now which is why they aren't posting
Ppl only post when they're unhappy

[static moon]

True

[karmic summit]

I mean I think a lot of people want the carnivores to be the harder option. I agree that more ai is an improvement but I do also understand the perspective that starving to death should be a real risk for carnivores. It's really hard to balance things in games to the point where the threat is real and present but isn't actually killing you constantly. So it's reasonable some people feel at its current state it might be feeling too reliable and removing some of the pressure that makes the carnivore life all the more engaging for a lot of people.

My personal preference would be the ai being improved behaviorally so hunting them is a more involved process. Would make it more engaging in general but also make the possibility of failed hunts waiting a lot of energy. Which imo is a much more fun way to occasionally have a desperate run ending in starvation than simply not seeing ai at all. But obviously "better ai" is the Pinnacle of easier-said-than-done so I'm not complaining about the current state of things.

[static moon]

I really like how you clarify that starvation should be a problem, but not the main one. Honestly, I see survival in this game as the right decisions in interaction with other players (friendliness/aggression/avoidance), and not in whether you know how/were lucky to find ai or not.

[lean elbow]

What if like once you grow a bit ai stuff is removed from the preferred food so you don't get diet when ur bigger

[obtuse furnace]

I'm hearing that everybody is happy with the new AI changes or respawn I'm not sure, what did they change?

[kind vigil]

I think they just changed the amount of ai that spawns. Before, ai would pretty much only spawn after a restart and then would be near impossible to find

[static moon]

By this logic, herbivores should not want to fight at all (although practice shows the opposite) or take galli for example, you will not sit in one place since the mechanics of the dinosaur is to move, regardless of where your mz Players do not need "motivation", they themselves know how to play this game and an abundance of food will not prevent you from starting a fight or migrating somewhere if you want to, the only difference is that now you will not have to die of hunger if you fail to kill a player.

[pastel brook]

man I love when people complain about TOO much AI but when there* is not a lot of AI they are like BUFF AI its so stupid pick one

[pastel brook]

nah I get the hey alot of AI could even say too much but I feel as the servers are only 100 players and 30-40 of those are hotspotting the amount of AI is good for players to spread out atleast the ones that want to

[knotty pawn]

Right? No one who is complaining about "too much ai" now was saying there was "already enough ai" before. They just need something to cry about

[molten mulch]

there could be a few less deer and wild boars. Apart from that AI is in good place

[lethal fog]

Exactly

[lethal smelt]

@dawn plume see ya

[dawn plume]

Eh, after seeing the reaction to ai feedback I realized how many people just want an easy game without any challenge whatsoever

Very sad. Why are they playing a survival game if they don't wanna survive?

[lethal fog]

A game should be fun...not a struggle

[dawn plume]

Maybe, just maybe, there are things in between no ai and too much ai? Ever thought of that?

It wasn't ideal for baby carnies before the update, but it is horrible now since it removes the survival aspect from the game completely.

[dawn plume]

This guy has never heard of survival games apparently.

[lethal fog]

I did actually

it doesn't remove the survival aspect

why'd carnis not be allowed to keep themselves alive? Herbis do the same thing but better

survival isn't just fight-drink-eat-repeat

[dawn plume]

They were perfectly able to stay alive. The issue was only with starving to death after spawning, and this could easily be fixed by just extending the time it takes to starve to death as a juvenile.

[dawn plume]

It kinda is in this game though.

[pastel brook]

I said that like 10 hrs ago. plus what Im getting at is people are complaining that AI is too much after they were saying its too little plus if they do get the inbetween people will still complain that AI is less cause its THE COMMUNITY you cannot please them and no I was not one who had bad issues with AI its just I see people saying oh ai too little 😦 so yeah and the game should be a struggle but RN ai should not be the main issue to talk about and they can move on

[pastel brook]

its like 20 mins

[lethal fog]

if they were lucky

[dawn plume]

It's 20, yes, and its no issue for me, but people who are bad at games were complaining.

It also feels less than 20 for troodon.

[pastel brook]

depends on size of animal so yes

[dawn plume]

Nope.
Statistically 20 mins was enough for me to find ai, carcass or a juvi to hunt - just gotta go to hotspots and not abandoned parts of the map.

And there are many hotspots, not just south plains (tho this is the biggest)

[lethal fog]

herbis can graze to keep themselves alive and I don't see you complaining about it

[dawn plume]

Now people got it easy and they finally won't have to learn to play the game.
Really hopes the devs fix this.