balance-feedback-discussion

[hasty coyote]

herrera not having a "get out of jail free card" is simply untrue. Climbing easily allows herrera to escape any situation where its paying attention and not making a horrendous mistake. Herrera also has to interact with people as much as ptera since both can just eat fish and ai then stay out of reach the other 90% of the time. And again, I put ptera that low purely because its unintuitive to play, its 100% viable (hence the tier name "clunky but functional") and when thermals come its an EASY A or S tier.

[lethal shale]

it doesnt honestly, its on you if youre caught on the floor with a galli, even then its easy to run from it at least long enough to reach a tree

Same goes with everything else except maybe carno

[worthy steeple]

yeah i would totally kill a random herrera i see in a plains, well same as any other juvie/small dino, it’s what galli does after all

[crimson crater]

okay then don’t say it has a get out of jail free card if it can easily be killed by a galli if caught on ground levels

[lethal shale]

better fr fr

[lethal shale]

why would you even be caught on ground level 😭 you have more of a "get out of jail" free card than any other carnivore if youre faced by a galli megapack

if youre slacking on the floor with gallis around youre just stupid

im craving hypsi gameplay

[worthy steeple]

i’d say it’s definitely easier to survive as ptera than herrera, but tbf herrera has at least functional combat mechanic and it’s a threat to other dino’s its size and larger, ptera is a threat to maybe a hypsi anything else either ignores it or one shots

[crimson crater]

you can ambush them while they’re eating or drinking, being able to climb dosent guarantee that it gets away, you gotta run to a tree then jump and climb out of range, pt on the other hand can escape any situation by holding one button.

tricking them into jumping is also pretty easy, leaves them vunerable on the ground

[lethal shale]

it takes longer for ptera to fly away than herrera does to turn around and sprint to a tree

[crimson crater]

objectively untrue

[lethal shale]

ptera has to sit in place for a good second while herrera runs instantly

[worthy steeple]

i think they’re changing how it works and ptera will be able to take off instantly

[crimson crater]

less than a second, even if the herrera can instantly run it takes time to find and run up a tree

[lethal shale]

if it takes time for you to find a tree then you need to get your vision checked because holy blind

[crimson crater]

who said i was slacking on the floor with them lmao, its a hypothetical scenario where a herrera gets caught ground level doing stuff

[lethal shale]

what stuff 💀

[slim dragon]

I'm stuff

[lethal shale]

hey so uhh this isnt allowed here

[crimson crater]

like idk maybe doing essential stuff like getting food or water that isn’t accessible in trees?

[lethal shale]

drink from bushes, eat in bushes

[worthy steeple]

i’d say they could both be on the same level since both die only when they make a mistake until then both are pretty much untouchable

[lethal shale]

herra can survive a galli kick tho

[crimson crater]

by find i mean run up a tree, they aren’t always gonna be half a centimetre away

[crimson crater]

nope, a kick knocks it down and that seals its fate lmfao

[lethal shale]

bro its not that hard 😭

get on norden rn and ill show u

[hasty coyote]

so, its vulnerable to the exact same 10-20% of gameplay as everything else, but is still invulnerable for the other 90-80% unlike every other dino. And if the herrera is dumb and is caught lacking or gets baited it could die, so again, a dies to a skill diff like every other dino? Like herrera is def able to be killed, but it is def 20x harder to die as herrera than most other species. Its survivability is right below ptera, but it also has the ability to just 1-shot anything smaller than dilo and 2 shot carnos. Herrera is STRONG, people just sleep on it because its conditional and highly skill dependent.

[crimson crater]

did i say it was hard? according to you holding the spacebar button as a pt is much harder

[worthy steeple]

it can even survive tenos tail slam or ceras bite but nothing really stops them from attacking right after

[lethal shale]

i didnt say that-

[crimson crater]

you did

[lethal shale]

no i didnt what

[crimson crater]

food isn’t always going to be in bushes and its loud eating sound can attract nearby predators, there is no safe drinking spot with bushes btw

[lethal shale]

there are so many everywhere bro, and you can literally put your food in bushes like bro 😭

[crimson crater]

lemme just drag the fully grown omni i just killed

[lethal shale]

grab its intestines and eat them in a tree

[crimson crater]

that brings us back to my point

[worthy steeple]

they will rot in 5 minutes tho😭

can’t even store :(

[keen plover]

I’d say it’s Omni/ dilo sided tbh. Damage pounce nukes pachy. Omni can also just dip at any time. Dilo just needs to bite you once or twice depending on time of day

[hasty coyote]

I said it was unfavorable for pachy: "The issue is that it has to outplay the opponent..." Equal skill level, pachy generally dies unless it gets a lucky hit.

[keen plover]

I love how Omni and dilo are scarier than Carno as a small tier

🔥

[keen plover]

Yeah… 2/10 Dino

There isn’t a worse playable

[crimson crater]

eh not really.
herreras are not glued to the trees they come down for numerous reasons, they come down for resources like food and water, they have one of the fastest drains, when migrating they walk on the ground just like everything else, they can’t even nest in trees and have to collect debris/materials necessary on ground to build it, when ambushing prey they often have to reposition and get to a better tree by using the ground once again, even during hunts they pursue opponents who survived the initial attacks and keep the bleed on. you also travel on the ground to meet up with friends etc and etc

[hasty coyote]

so, it can be ambushed during the few moments of vulnerability where it can actively make sure its pathing is close trees and there are no threats around. Again, if you miss a threat, skill issue, die, like literally everything else has to deal with 24/7, except for only like 20% of your gameplay (unless you're playing risky, in which case, you knew the risks and got skill issued).

[crimson crater]

it can’t always make sure of that, some safe drink spot for examples are a good few feets away from trees, food isn’t always going to be directly found under a tree.

honestly i have no trouble surviving on any other playable if i think like that, what’s the difference between being sedentary in the trees or a bush in the middle of nowhere? i can play a herbivore, go to a random spot of the map with a water source and practically live on forever lol

but i see what you mean

[elfin night]

What am I even reading above

Poor dryo considered no skill when it has a crazy cap and also not even the lowest floor in herbivores

[elfin night]

stego and beipi should be higher rn ngl

Nothing can really kill a competent stego and then beipi is indeed almost always viable since most of the map works well for it besides ponds and south river

I agree with the rest though

[lethal shale]

Stego suffers a lot in its early life, targeted a lot by ceras and stuff that can destroy them, which is why it’s there

Beipi I can agree on that yeah

[elfin night]

In all fairness for stego, cera early game is worse and it is higher

[lethal shale]

Cera has a lot to eat though, and it can run and hide much easier than a stego can

[elfin night]

Or well, herra. Herra early on can suck too if you are in a hotspot

[elfin night]

Well yes, easier, but I would say both are easier- well, no, lets see if we’re on the same page since we might be thinking about different scenarios

If both spawn at northern jungle, I believe they have roughly the same chances of surviving without being spotted

Same conditions for both

I agree small stegos get dunked on harder than small ceras because those pick up weight quicker so maybe you also accounted for that tho

[hasty coyote]

tbh, stego gets very strong early on, once it hits like 1.5 tons (about an hour and a half), it can 2 shot ceras with power swings, with the first knocking them down.

stego's damage to weight ratio is insane

[elfin night]

And since it is a herbivore, it can just hide in the jungle really. And after one hour it has almost hit that size

When by the time it grows up it is unstoppable

The only stego I have ever lost in a fight instead of me yeeting it went down against an alliance (not really mixpack of two deinos, 4 ceras and two stegos)

And I killed one deino, 3 ceras and almost got one steg

Stego is crazy strong rn in the live branch since it has no competitors

But I am not offended really

Stego in viability A tier is also fine

Beipi is just the water galli imo, and I really like both

You can very much run from everything that can threaten you unless you put yourself in a bad spot, grows quickly, you have some combat capabilities you can use offensively to destroy juvis and small animals

[viscid mica]

What server do you play on?

[elfin night]

I play mostly officials, Isla Oscura, Isla Pandora (got kicked/banned yesterday lol), Petits and Ratz (24h kick lol)

[viscid mica]

Oh ya I mean good groups that can take stegos are rare

But a solid omni pack is a genuine threat

[eager saddle]

Why did you get banned🤣

[viscid mica]

If I’m a stego and omni group of atleast 4 approaches I always go narrow eyes

[viscid mica]

They got weird rules I wouldn’t be surprised if it was something petty

[eager saddle]

Oh? Like what? I’ve never heard of em

[elfin night]

In Pandora? For brutally murdering a pachy as another pachy and telling the guy to cry about it as he effectively cried about it

In Ratz? Insulting someone in global

[eager saddle]

Bruh

[elfin night]

Killed two pachies with that one

And also in pandora I once killed a maia as dibble but it seems nothing happened with that

Oh also another stego as one

I hate herbi aggression rules

It’s so eat grass and die attitude being forced down my throat

Like no dude, I am gonna destroy anyone that makes me mildly uncomfortable

Eating my food and leaving bugged plants behind

Or just being annoying

[eager saddle]

Ah I was wondering why you killed the pachies🤣

[elfin night]

One was because it would be funny admittedly

The other was eating my plants

[eager saddle]

Getting banned for that os a bit of a yikes tho

[elfin night]

really is

but honestly, servers with rules like that

are not worth your time

Anything that claims to be "realistic" while clamping down on everything about herbivore attitude (or allowing them to mixherd) it's just stereotypical carni slop mindset

just servers that catter to bad carnivore mains who want to fulfill their fantasy that has been fed by media for decades already with the big scary aggressive predators hunting the herds of pacific herbis

it's funny because EVEN THE GAME accepts that herbivore on herbivore aggression is perfectly natural

[iron tree]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-evrima-gallimimus-hypsilophodon-gif-15927401001484050330

[elfin night]

not only this

also this

and this

and this too

like bruh 😭

I cannot find the suggestion but someone suggested once that herbis should be unable to deal damage to carnivores unless they are hit first!!!

[maiden temple]

I love tapwing's drawings

these look so alive

[iron tree]

they're really cool

[viscid mica]

Ngl

This makes me which for a knockout feature

Like getting a head hit as like pachy or this think KOs the enemy

[hasty coyote]

sounds good on paper, but in practice its just in an insanely long stun and a very slow death

thats what head fracture is for

[viscid mica]

It’d be funny

[worthy steeple]

tenontosaurus!!!

[glass harbor]

@bold vessel I can agree with cera bile, but dilo venom is perfectly fine tbh. It takes a lot of bites during day to get someone bigger than you to stage 3, but during night, it has a reasonable buff. That's why it envenomates people faster.

[viscid mica]

You can 1 tap anything under 1.5Ts with a he at night to t3 and it lasts about 10ish minute (more than long enough to kill with venom alone)

If doesn’t take many bites at all for anything that isn’t massive

And the venom lists long enough to kill basically anything off almost solo

Even during the day you can easily get 1.5k in damage from venom alone

[glass harbor]

yeah at night

[viscid mica]

The venom is very overtuned

[glass harbor]

a dibble isnt that big, and during day it takes like 10-15 bites to get it to stage 3

[viscid mica]

Even during the day it’s easy and fast enough (like 4-5 bites tops for a cera) and lasts more than long enough

[viscid mica]

7 or 8 body shots I believe

[glass harbor]

lol, have you played dilo bruh

[viscid mica]

And the venom will do roughly 2k damage in the allotted time

So for about 400ish damage of bites you can basically kill a dibble

That’s solo numbers mind you

[glass harbor]

i mean yes, i do agree the hallucination damage is bad, but its bite to venom ratio is fine to me. Maybe it could use a nerf, but thats just an opinion

[bold vessel]

Only takes about around 3-5 bites to put a stego on purple and stays purple forever while it's night.

So you can basically bite them a few times and sit back and relax because the chances of surviving past purple venom is very low.

[viscid mica]

If the venom application wasn’t so fast (especially at night) and didn’t last such a unholy amount of time (if you get infected start of night it won’t go away until end of night) it’d be fine

[viscid mica]

Mind you a solo can’t output enough venom damage alone in that time it only does like 4.3ish maybe 5k

But ya 2 or 3 dilo t3 and it’s gg

[bold vessel]

The venom changes with the group size?

[viscid mica]

I mean we can always wait for Rex mains to get bullied

[glass harbor]

yeah, sitting back and relaxing is annoying if you're not the dilo

[viscid mica]

The amount of damage you can output does

[glass harbor]

all im saying is bite to venom ratio is fine with me

[viscid mica]

You basically double the dps for every dilo with t3

[viscid mica]

It’s abit much insta venom on carno or cera at night is kinda crazy

I mean ignoring that dilo during day can face tank a cera to t3

[glass harbor]

its called a night buff, and its reasonable.

dilo is a night predator

[viscid mica]

If it didn’t last the ENTIRE night sure

[glass harbor]

i mean yeah, but the night buff is reasonable

[bold vessel]

Interesting, guess that would be why I got to red so fast as a 100% stego.

I wasn't really counting but it felt like only around 10 clone bites to almost kill me.

[viscid mica]

One or the other having both in its current state is a insane amount of damage potential

For a pretty sizeable amount of time

[viscid mica]

Let me put it this way I’ve had a 10 man dilo group before cuz we wanted to bully the server hate me if you want and about 7 of us got t3 on a silly land deino who ran back to the water and he died in only afew minutes through clone spam

[bold vessel]

That's crazy

[viscid mica]

I mean 7 dilos have t3 on you

That’s 85 per clone

X3 for every charge

• the random clones every now and then

And another charge every few seconds

That’s a lot of venoms damage

[bold vessel]

I only got bit a few times before the venom kicked in so idk how many of them had t3 on me

[viscid mica]

Once 1 gets t3 the others only need to get 1 bite in on you

If you see a group of 3+ dilo I’d avoid them tbh

Unless your confident (or a carno)

[bold vessel]

Something needs to be changed with dilo clone damage at least. It being able to stack with group size is crazy overpowered

[bold vessel]

Most things can't avoid them

[viscid mica]

It’s not so much the damage as the ease of application and length applied

You’d have to nuke the damage to make it not insanely op in its current state

[viscid mica]

Learn how to hide

I should make a video called the art of hiding in the isle

[hasty coyote]

I need an image of a stego sticking out of a bush for this

[viscid mica]

So real

[bold vessel]

Fr how is a stego going to hide good lol

[viscid mica]

The amount of stegos I’ve seen successfully ambush is actually disgusting

[viscid mica]

It doesn’t but people still miss it

[bold vessel]

Depends how long they stick near me but I would need food and water at some point

[viscid mica]

Meh a stego can win that fight even at night all it takes is 1 hit

Hell even stego jab can 1 tap them

[worthy steeple]

why your clips always have those green things?

[viscid mica]

I have no idea

[worthy steeple]

wild

[viscid mica]

OBS hates me I guess

[worthy steeple]

😭

[viscid mica]

Bully OBS for me

Avenge meeeeee……….

[worthy steeple]

i will eat OBS

[cosmic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message my guy, this ain’t an omni exclusive problem that only it suffers from lol

[kind plume]

I noticed it mainly on omni. And omni got one of the longest tails in contrast to body (except teno, but teno can at least use its tail as weapon)

[crimson crater]

its tail isn’t too long

[kind plume]

I noticed it mainly on omni. And omni got one of the longest tails in contrast to body (except teno, but teno can at least use its tail as weapon)

[keen plover]

@kind plume You can't be knocked from a tail hit. It's genuinely just desync and possible hitbox issues from the carno/diablo.

[kind plume]

My bad

[elfin night]

@white spade dude, dilo is NEVER going to catch you

Out of 17 creatures these are the only ones that can outrun an Omni in a straight line:
carno
maia
galli
dilo
ptera

and guess how many cannot be outmaneuvered with extreme easy as an Omni

That’s right, zero

A competent Omni is never gonna get caught by any of those, it is nimble like how media portray raptors

Omni moment

[white spade]

ok

[elfin night]

[dusky surge]

brother imma be honest you're making me agree more with my boy rob here

dude made a single feedback post i dont think he deserved all that

[elfin night]

Come on it’s just an image

And we know how prevalent that trend is

Even more than the eat grass and die one nowadays

[dusky surge]

eh

made a mountain out of a molehill imho

[elfin night]

Okay, fine

[dusky surge]

idrc how common it is the dude just got here

[elfin night]

yeah that was a bit unwarranted

My hatred towards Omnis blinds me

[viscid mica]

@steep gazelle that was dilo before it broke on main it’s Normal damage, is it overtuned? Yes

@white spade why shrink group size

@iron tree de sync is constantly being worked on as it’s a constant issue the game is being updated all the time so it’s a issue that will re appear every single update

[topaz elm]

dilo should always be faster than omni to be honest

omni has the luxury of a group size double that of dilo, the ability to jump and thus escape the clones as well as only needing a duo to pin dilo

1v1 situation, dilo should be horrifying to encounter

[elfin night]

Mhm

[viscid mica]

1v1 omni wins

If they are a competent omni that is

[topaz elm]

a competent dilo bites you once/twice depending on time of day and skidders back into the brush to gurgle in demons

thats also why im in favor of offensive bucking
omni can just pounce any slot deal huge damage if bucking decides it just doesnt want to work
if he messes up and goes on the front two slots I grab his leg and pull him off

[viscid mica]

A competent omni doesn’t let the dilo hit it but I m ow what you mean

You can easily juke a dilo your far quicker turning

[steep gazelle]

@white spade I agree about the fall damage, Troodon also has this problem, but the group size and speed are fine the way they are.

[viscid mica]

@median quest Herrera is a glass cannon meant for nuking small things it’s very survivable in a majority of the map if you try and can easily go in adventures with enough effort

It’s super easy to get food

You don’t HAVE to afk hunt

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message @median quest you dont have to camp 1 spot to get kills

[elfin night]

Exactly

In fact ROAMING HERRAS get so many more kills on average

This guy doesn’t know how to play herra 😭

[crimson crater]

thats how i play it

[sonic oar]

op is talking about a land dinosaur not having enough food or being boring to play meanwhile deinos are starving to death because they spawn in the swamp with no feasible way out to actually travel to a different location or b/c literally no big game is touching the water. herrera is fine lol

[viscid mica]

Yall are ruthless

[sonic oar]

im not trying to come off as ruthless/mean but that post feels a little reactionary, it's not something that is fundamentally wrong with herrera more than it is a play style issue & an AI issue.

[crimson crater]

there is an ai issue yea

theres too much of it

[viscid mica]

^

[sonic oar]

congregated in one single area*

[viscid mica]

It’s more so a play style issue tbh

[elfin night]

same here. Esily +60% of my time on the ground

because people dont expect it and I can adapt

[crimson crater]

youre one of a few who share my playstyle

[sonic oar]

they want players to spread out and yet ALL of the ai spawns are in south plains and nowhere else like ... dog

[elfin night]

one of the few decent herras

[viscid mica]

I rarely play Herrera but when I do I frequent HSs or passages between them

[elfin night]

Highlands herra best herra

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message bucking doesn’t matter since troodons do just one venom damage and then they just sit there

not to mention that using terrain is a good thing and terrain absolutely canceling all omni/troodon attacks is also a good thing

let me find a video for you

[topaz elm]

I understand that but its just like really unfair that troodon can be countered by sitting in a bush

[topaz elm]

those little palm trees

[worthy steeple]

yes, it should be unfair

but majority of people will disagree with me, i know

but omnis and troodons should get massively punished if they decide to attack something camping terrain

[topaz elm]

I dont see a problem with sitting in water, against a cliff, etc
but the pounce reliant dinosaur who uses forest cover should not be harmed by the cover its supposed to use

I dont care about omni, omni's bite actually does damage

[topaz elm]

yes but this isnt about camping terrain, this is about camping objects with unfair collision

[worthy steeple]

i mean, omnis and troodons are most effective in the plains

[worthy steeple]

tbf troodon straight up outdamages omnis with the third stage venom

[topaz elm]

because of the pounce

[worthy steeple]

oh wait.. it got nerfed to 100 lol, yeah still a lot

[topaz elm]

but you cant pounce if they sit in a bush

[worthy steeple]

i mean the bushes or trees should totally work

[topaz elm]

trees I understand, bushes should not

like the bushes up by volcano, you cannot hunt anything up there as troodon since something like 95% of the foliage has collision

[worthy steeple]

yeah, that wouldn’t make sense if you could

[topaz elm]

how?

[worthy steeple]

well it’s not just leafs

[topaz elm]

yeah well troodon is also not made out of paper?

[worthy steeple]

if you get dragged by something through the bush it will…

[topaz elm]

60kg may not be a lot but those claws have quite the grip

[worthy steeple]

yeah but that bush is also massive

[topaz elm]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-ninjaishyper-low-taper-fade-massive-crazy-gif-13735679314385451792

[worthy steeple]

small bushes don’t work

those bushes also full of branches and stuff

[topaz elm]

the problem is there is a lot of unfair collision, like the tiny palms for example
those leaves have a much farther range than is presented

let me find the clips

[worthy steeple]

well tbf something like rocks don’t work for some reason

it’s very inconvenient

[topaz elm]

apples and oranges

[worthy steeple]

sometimes a bush works, but same exact model few meters away doesn’t

[topaz elm]

i cant find the nickboay video but essentially the point is
palm leaves should not knock off a 60kg animal

[worthy steeple]

also if something pounced your back there’s no way to buck them using terrain

only some bushes work

and that’s very annoying

[topaz elm]

yes but I should be able to use my abilities to hunt, even if you stand in a bush

making a creature 100% terrain reliant isnt fun
if we almost kill you and you completely counter us by walking into a bush thats not intelligent game design

[worthy steeple]

tbf if we’re going for realism then 60kg animal shouldn’t be able to pounce something like trike, just not enough strength

[long valley]

u really complain about pounce when u have abilities like dilo's clones

[topaz elm]

what does that even mean

i can still get my claws into your flank

[worthy steeple]

please don’t

[topaz elm]

apples and oranges my guy

[topaz elm]

[worthy steeple]

have you seen little puppy trying to bite human and it just doesn’t have enough strength to do any damage, well if you’re going for realism trike vs troodon should be that exact situation

[topaz elm]

a puppy is also a baby, it doesnt have fully formed muscles

[worthy steeple]

doesn’t matter tho

[topaz elm]

a troodon is a 60 kg animal with serrated teeth designed to cut into those of larger animals

but it does

[long valley]

its most bugged thing in game in my opinion right now u die to air. Ability like that shouldnt be in game in first place like what it is magic

[topaz elm]

the clones are just a representation of venom attacking your brainstem, without them you wouldnt be able to fight the venom at all

[worthy steeple]

the teeth that can’t even do anything to armored giant like trike, thick skin.

[worthy steeple]

yes, because dilo is not the only problem

[topaz elm]

id also like to bring up that this is a video game and also that the main form of damage is venom
the surface level vessels that trike has are being injected with a venom that softens the tissue

thats how troodon's venom works

it softens prey up so it does more damage

[long valley]

i feel like most of the time dilo dont even know that it killed u

[topaz elm]

what?

how would they not know?

[long valley]

cuz this "venom" stick on u for ages and can kill u even tho u runned away for few minutes

i died like that multiple times and found my body left untouched

[topaz elm]

well thats just poor dilo players

you can track your venom pretty easily

[long valley]

for me its too bugged to be kept like that on official

[topaz elm]

yeah usually early access games arent quite done

[long valley]

ye but me and all my friends complain at dilos most

they are just unfun to play against

they are not op just broken literally

[topaz elm]

how are you fighting them?

trying to camp it out?

[long valley]

ambush

[topaz elm]

no like after the venom sets in

how do you handle them

cus the whole point of dilo is that you either have to fight it or die slowly

[long valley]

trying to deal most dmg to them when in pack

[worthy steeple]

lmao

just wait for the night run and bite everything you see just once

kill half of the server

the nighttime is actually PURGE

[long valley]

dilo core

[worthy steeple]

dilo core👽

[topaz elm]

well the way you survive is hurting the original dilo, that being said its pretty hard to do

wounded dilo's produce weaker clones

[long valley]

idk we can hunt adult ceras and carnos but cant fight dilos

[topaz elm]

as?

[long valley]

omnis mostly

we just like raptors

we also played as dilos

[topaz elm]

well thats kinda strange considering dilo is pinned by two omnis

or can be killed in a single pounce

[long valley]

ye but most of the time theres at least 2

im not saying raptor is weak

just dilos ability is ass

[topaz elm]

yeah the whole point of it is to break down things much larger than it
its pretty overpowered to be honest, but the current form is kinda where they want it

because the hallucinations are supposed to distract you and deal a lot of damage, its supposed to make you look crazy swinging around violently at nothing

but to you, you are stopping yourself from taking damage

[long valley]

the thing is like i said u can get killed by air

like u fended urself from clones just to take damage from nothing minute later

[topaz elm]

yeah that part with invisible clones is kinda buns

just a glitch

[long valley]

imo it shouldnt deal dmg disruption it makes is good enough

[cosmic pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312562061863026789/1342967080458125352/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_3.mp4?ex=67f2ee0f&is=67f19c8f&hm=9ef084839e6f201793d71afa0892d747836e26d339d10441781e342f70d9d56f& there very much is

Being on the back only protects you from rocks

[topaz elm]

yeah so troodon should be able to pounce stuff in bushes/forests

[long valley]

i also love that

[cosmic pelican]

Me when the collisionless bush knocks down and stuns me for 5 seconds on the 60kg 1 shot playable:

[topaz elm]

me when the pounce reliant playable cannot pounce because of leaf

[cosmic pelican]

I also have a troodon version

[topaz elm]

do send

[cosmic pelican]

https://youtube.com/shorts/KoSLJky3J6Y?si=tiXVJgnXRNl2bi2z

[topaz elm]

love how the game keeps you on the back of the creature, showing how you shouldve stayed on

[elfin night]

I also think I should’ve asked for dibble buffs

[topaz elm]

and doesnt give you the chance to save yourself by running away

[elfin night]

It really is going to need more damage when rex and allo are out

Not being able to gore a carno or a cera after one knockdown is so miserable 😭

They not even red when they stand up and disengage

[topaz elm]

isnt diablo going to be able to knock allo clean on its ass?

[cosmic pelican]

Only buff dibble needs is for its juvi and sub speed to not suck

[topaz elm]

larger creatures will have longer get up times than cerato

[cosmic pelican]

Also the fact that a sanctuary size, fresh spawn trike can 1 shot a 1 hour grow 😭

[elfin night]

Yeah, but what is it going to do with one knockdown and following attacks? 500 damage?

[cosmic pelican]

Not even with a special attack, but the most basic one

[elfin night]

I agree with this. Juvi dibble will suck with allo pinning it most likely lmao

[cosmic pelican]

Make it get to 30kmh very early on so it can drift, then its chillin

[topaz elm]

150 to knock down
500 damage or around there to gore

650 damage for one mistake, allo has what 2,500 hp leaving allo with 1,850 seems fair

diablo has to do that like 3-4 times to kill an allo

[cosmic pelican]

Dibbles wombo combo can almost 1 shot a cera to the head, it leaves it under 100hp

So uh, a lot of dmg

150 for knocking it down, 300 for the spar attack, then 275 for the alt attack

[topaz elm]

yeah i feel like where diablo is at now is fine

also diablo's maneuverability, you can take a few steps back and then get ready to repeat the same stun

[cosmic pelican]

Even with body shots thats like a 3rd of the allos hp gone right there

[worthy steeple]

oh hmm.. it never works for me for some reason

[worthy steeple]

i want them to add gore attack as well so it does even more

[topaz elm]

diablo does have a gore

[cosmic pelican]

Gore does the same dmg as spar

[topaz elm]

275 damage per hit

[cosmic pelican]

Only difference is gore does bleed

[topaz elm]

the gore hits twice

[cosmic pelican]

Ive never seen any conpetent dibble use gore

[topaz elm]

it does a little into the ground grind then rips up

[cosmic pelican]

Like, ever

[topaz elm]

yeah because it gets canceled by movement

it doesnt stop you like trike's gore

if diablo tries to readjust mid gore it stops the animation

so its easier to just use an alt attack or spar

[worthy steeple]

dondi said it’s missing some animations and stuff so i expect it to do more damage

[topaz elm]

yeah but diablo does have a gore

[worthy steeple]

well when i say gore i mean decently long animation with diablo trashing other dino

[topaz elm]

ahh

[worthy steeple]

i can’t wait for the devs to buff the sub dibbles speed, that would be sick

[cosmic pelican]

Draggable organs so big game hunter troodon is viable when 💔

Dont get why they put maia and stego on troodons diet when it cant even get organs out of them after theyre 20% grown

[worthy steeple]

6 and half hours till the end of my night shift

i’m playing five nights at freddie’s irl

[eager saddle]

what, at a pizzaria?

[worthy steeple]

i mean.. i would rather have them on diet than not

i bet they will change that, maybe make it so troodon can hold organ in its hands

i bet it’s just unfinished kit

[worthy steeple]

hmm.. no, internet caffe, but it’s a night shift and a lot of screaming dudes

basically fnaf

[cosmic pelican]

I will sell my soul to afterthought if I must.
For that, and playable velo

[worthy steeple]

playable velo!!

[elfin night]

Knockdown, spar hit, spar hit?

Oh wait no I see it

Brug

[topaz elm]

yeah diablo is already a crazy playable in the hands of someone who knows how to use it
https://youtu.be/pJ8V9J0durs

[elfin night]

well

I don't know how to use it then

If I need two good knockdowns to kill a carno or cera

[topaz elm]

yeah this dude is 1v4 ing ceras and winning

wait scratch that

lost the 1v4, because he fought a stego earlier and won

won a 1v3 versus ceratos

but really theres only a few playables that can hold their own in a 1v4

[elfin night]

Today I just soloed a stego but ended in deep red mostly because of cc and the sparring movement

Ig that's something

like 10 minutes ago

and also just ambushed drinking carnos as a fg dibble rn lmao

killed 2/4

[topaz elm]

tactile + block is the funniest thing ever as diablo

[elfin night]

TRUE

[topaz elm]

you can get like 25% of your stamina back by baiting a stego

even more on a power swing

tactile does actually go crazy on ceratopsians

like what do you mean I hit him and made him stronger

[elfin night]

bruh

there was a teno sitting by a cliff

[topaz elm]

tried to hit him and went off lmao?

[elfin night]

I got intrusive thoughts and ran up behind it

We both fell off

worth it

[topaz elm]

diablo + enlarged meniscus

[elfin night]

the new meta

[topaz elm]

now im even more lethal on slopes

no because you dont understand, you know that hill by the west rail access pond?

overlooking the path?

thats just enough height to make a cera/carno break their legs if you throw them off

pachy and enlarged meniscus is kind of a need if you want to play pachy on anything that isnt flat ground

plus you can ram stuff completely off cliffs

[worthy steeple]

there’s clip of me scaring a pachy as a dryo during nighttime and it jumps of the cliff because it’s nv is so bad it thought i was a carnivore

but i can’t find it

[topaz elm]

i love pachy but its kind of pathetic now

i 1v1'd a pachy as a fresh venom troodon

his dryo friend did more damage to me

bit me on the tail once sent me running

[worthy steeple]

TBF pachy is not THAT bad as people say, it’s still very strong against omnis, carnos or dilos, it still breaks on first bonk.

but the main issue for me is pachy not being able to do anything to the large omni packs, any other animal has its own ways to survive, pachy doesn’t

can’t run away, can’t swim away, can’t do anything

might camp a rock but one pounce does enough damage to just kill the pachy and if it tries to buck it will lose all the stam and will get pinned

[crimson crater]

i think theres more to it

pachy just feels clunky to play as

[topaz elm]

thank god pachy is getting his parry back

also i really hope they decide to double back on the counter pounce idea

[worthy steeple]

counter pounce?

[topaz elm]

it was in the concept, pachy can alt attack to throw pouncing omni's completely over its shoulder and make them miss the pounce

so as long as you can predict it you can stop them from latching

[worthy steeple]

well that too, i think it’s self stun should be a lot shorter when it hits the target

[worthy steeple]

oh that sounds good

[topaz elm]

never been a fan of pachy's self stun, i feel like if you do a successful hit you shouldnt be punished for it yk

[worthy steeple]

yeah

[topaz elm]

top right corner

counter pounce

[worthy steeple]

the stun makes sense animation wise, but the current one is just too long

[worthy steeple]

yeahh that looks sick

[crimson crater]

it could also use a better turn radius

[topaz elm]

pachy received a huge nerf when alt attacks got changed

i wouldnt mind if pachy could alt attack while running

[worthy steeple]

i would also want to make bonebreak a lot weaker as a mechanic, but give pachy good trot and swimming speed

because bonebreak is a death sentence for majority of dinos

[topaz elm]

I personally wouldnt make it weaker, i would change how it works and give it different stages

change up how the term fracture and break is used

since something like anky, if he hits you, you might have displaced vertebrae, shattered ribs, shatter pelvis, snapped jaw

[worthy steeple]

i just don’t want pachy to be able to chase and then bully everything

[topaz elm]

how would you feel about a blunt force damage pachy

less breaks, more internal bleeding

[worthy steeple]

hm.. i actually thought about internal bleeding a while ago, it could be a great mechanic

[topaz elm]

I also toyed around with the idea of suggesting giving pachy hairline or hidden fractures

fractures that get worse depending on how you act on them

they start out fine you feel like you just shrugged off a hit, but if you fall off something or try to jump your leg snaps

[worthy steeple]

hmm

idk about that!

but fracture stages could work, it will give animals chance to just run from the pachy

[topaz elm]

first bash starts out weaker, then after a few gets to what it is now

and any past that get stronger?

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message i think the healing speed nerf was universal between species, they made gastro even more meta hell yeah!

[steep gazelle]

I don't see that. Carno takes longer to recover his life than a teno, diablo, cera

[worthy steeple]

so there’s locked health system, your regeneration stops at some point and you have to wait until you can heal to full hp

at least that’s how i understand how it works lol

[steep gazelle]

It's a good thing that Carno was buffed in the Hordtest, because in public branch the only good thing about Carno is his speed, everything else is extremely horrible: bleed and fracture resistance,health and blood regeneration, hunger goes down faster, stam takes a long time to recover and stam uses up absurdly quickly xd

[eager saddle]

I seriously don’t think carno is that bad rn tbh. It’s just not as good as cera

[median quest]

Both things can be true, I didnt say it was the biggest issue in the game I just said it's an issue I see.

Idk why some of the comments are so abrasive. I main Herrera, I have hundreds of hours on Herrera. Sure you can run around and zerg hatchlings like an idiot and get merced by the first carno or ptera that crosses you. Thats not how I play Herrera because it's dumb and gets you killed.

Its designed as an ambush hunter, not a scav nor pursuit predator. It's capable of killing a lot of much bigger dinos in seconds if you use it's mechanics right.

Yes you can survive off hatchie killing or somehow troodon I guess but thats not how I or most other competent people I know play it. If you're exposing yourself, running up a tree and half-ass pouncing at stuff on the fly you're playing it stupid and that's how you die.

You hide, you wait, you kill. Idk why everyone thinks you can play this thing as a scrappy little dude. You go up against anyone remotely competent that knows their dino it's not gonna go your way. And that's why South plains waterfall is littered with dead herras.

I'm not saying everyone is stupid I'm just saying that way of playing is fundementally going against survivability which is the point of my post.

[sonic oar]

I do agree in the sense that the "intended" way to play a lot of the dinosaurs is just not enforced enough in the gameplay, and herrera is one of those. cerato at the top of the food chain despite being a scavenger that's supposed to defend & steal carcasses, hyper-offensive stegos, herrera having maybe 1 or 2 "good" spots to play it how the devs want us to play it, dryo just not being able to outrun things like it's designed to so no one plays it because it's absolutely helpless. (that's my experience, inb4 "get good run off cliffs and dodge in xyz way") the current state of the game is missing so many dinosaurs & mechanics that the players are forced to fill in roles their playables are not for. that's my opinion on it, of course i still LOVE this game, SO much, but there's no denying that the current state of the roster is awkward at best

[iron tree]

Rock pachy is op

I survive omni packs by simply sitting on a rock

If they try to get me I just bonk them down

[elfin night]

They should give Gen 1 sweating and human tier endurance

@radiant shadow they already addressed that in HT

[tacit chasm]

Why is a 2 ton alligator needing to spend 30 minutes resting to get rid of bee stings?

Went through two full hydration sitting outside of the water resting and I'm still wounded

[elfin night]

because deino health regen is absolutely atrocious

[tacit chasm]

But bees shouldn't even be able to sting an alligator

[elfin night]

legacy acro tier

[tacit chasm]

Let alone make a 2ton alligator wounded

[elfin night]

and you shouldn't be invading a sanctuary

They do damage because of that

[tacit chasm]

I was eating a corpse like 6 feet away from them

[elfin night]

and the problem is deino healing rather than bees doing their purpose

[tacit chasm]

How many times you think a bee has been able to sting an alligator? Lol

[elfin night]

I don't care about realism

no chat ever in balance feedback should be about realism because things are done primarily in service of gameplay

if deino got too close to the sanc then it can cry about it because no one is exempt of the rule "too big for sanctuary, you get the boot"

damn

you can tell me in DMs if you want

[steep gazelle]

@radiant shadow Carnotaurus had its growth time reduced in the hordtest, now it is equal to Cerato (2h05m with 100% diet)

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message jesus christ

bacteria was made for defense and it’s the ONLY way juvie cera can defend itself from things faster, it’s the only thing that might stop a random raptor from kosing it

let’s not nerf cera just for the nerf itself, juvie having a bacteria is the thing you guys need to care the least about lol

[vale brook]

i also really like the fact cerato stays a very "is it really worth it though?" throughout its life

honey badger lil guy

[worthy steeple]

yeahhhh that was the point i guess, but yeah i guess the issue is its using the bacteria offensively, and offense wise its really unfair mechanic, i can agree with that

[topaz elm]

maybe the charge bite is like a spar

We give up Ceras speed for 360 movement or something

ultimate defense

[icy blaze]

#balance-feedback message

Holy sheesh. This is so weird and broken. this needs a fix imediately!

#balance-feedback message

THIS! so much this!
It is such a pain in the butt so often to pounce with a troodon. Especially when you fight raptors. You dont stand a chance with this broken pounce.

[thorn mountain]

I mean

they were at 150 ping

[eager saddle]

yeah but if the stego was next to them it should have caught up at that point. That and the swing was still nowhere near it

ping was definitely not the only factor there

[hasty coyote]

150 ping with both of them staying still, stego's power swing hitbox just goes deceptively far forward compared to the animation. Tho it was prob just a tail hit since that stego was already at incredibly low hp.

[steep gazelle]

@lethal onyx That's good, since it's going to take a long time for this hordtest to end

The buff to Troodon, Carno and Maia should have been done a long time ago, so it's fine for me

[lethal onyx]

yea like it doesnt hurt to release them

[neon willow]

#balance-feedback message

@white spade The Omni may be a raptor, but it's very large and heavy. For comparison, an adult male polar bear weighs between 350 kg and 600 kg, and they can run up to 40 km/hr. Omni last I checked weighs 450 kg and runs up to 46 km/hr.

Basically, Omni is a polar bear sized chicken 😂 that runs slightly faster than a polar bear too. That's honestly quite a good speed for something that heavy (and if you've ever seen a polar bear running they are scary fast irl), and it also explains why they don't take fall damage that well. They're very heavy animals.

Balance-wise.... Honestly the whole roster needs a rework on gravity. Running over the top of a hill shouldn't send you literally flying unless you run off a steep cliff. That should help Omni out with fall damage by proxi, but I don't think they should have greatly reduced fall damage compared to other dinos just because they're a raptor. Troodon however is light enough that they honestly probably should take less fall damage than other dinos

[vale brook]

@wide quest herrera one shots omni with ease. what do you mean.

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message hold RMB during a jump, think you’re doing it wrong

[cosmic pelican]

@wide quest it absolutely can https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312562061863026789/1357057099674419381/586A8D1.MP4?ex=67f611a9&is=67f4c029&hm=dafc7fec7b6366f917873c56c88d5a6ed690fd301e1c9ebf857671da34f7fb91&

[elfin night]

I’ve killed adult ceras and even a dibble once as a herra. It absolutely does enough damage, especially bleed damage

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message fight back

[elfin night]

fr bruh

cera can perfectly fend off an aggro teno

its main weapons are IN THE BACK

[safe steeple]

#balance-feedback message makes me think this guy has died to a teno bitting his tail

[iron tree]

or swim and kill them in the water

you can alt bite...they can't

[worthy steeple]

yeah if teno follows even sub cera into the water it will just die

tho i see how aggro tenos biting cera could be an issue, thats why we can make them same speed, problem solved, but making ceras faster is honestly the worst thing we can do…

[void depot]

Same speed is literally all it would need, then you can just rely on juking to get away if you're decent. But there's always clowns who disagree probably cause they're aggro herbi mains

[worthy steeple]

you can still easily juke teno. not to mention the speed difference is 0.2% which is literally nothing. and tail bites do nothing as well, its 35 damage -99% because the tail hit

[void depot]

It adds up fast sadly. That slight speed difference is just enough to make it obnoxious. But making them the same speed is an incredibly small ask anyways

[worthy steeple]

just move left and right

[hasty coyote]

its a 0.1kph difference, which is 0.0277 m/s. That means it would take 36 seconds for them to get 1 meter closer, In a teno's entire stam bar (about 2.5 mins), it would get about 4.16 meters closer. Thats like a cera length closer, over 2.5 minutes.

[void depot]

Thats all you can do and they just stay right on you

[void depot]

Doesn't matter if they're already on top of ya

[hasty coyote]

use terrain. Find a bush to break their los and juke them. Or run into the bush and counterattack

[hasty coyote]

then them being the same speed wouldnt matter either. Plus, why are you letting a teno get that close to you

[worthy steeple]

find water source

its also pretty easy to lose the teno in the bushes

since it cant even track you

[void depot]

I've done this time and time again. Sometimes you come out in top sometimes you don't. My only ask if anything would be same speed. And it's a silly question that I'm letting them close. I had no idea they were even there not everyone is out in the open and neither was i

[worthy steeple]

a lot of times i kicked ceras 4 times and then they just ran into the water or to the bushes and i couldnt find them after, so that strat works

ill be honest if cera doesnt want to fight you most of the times it can just run away

[void depot]

And you have to think of the situation at the time. Is a water source safe? Do you know that a deino isn't in there? Its not that simple when you're trying to survive, to just run into water is dumb

[worthy steeple]

i guess theres nothing you can do, its same situation if you got jumped by the pack of raptors, you either die to them or you risk it and swim and then you have chance to escape

[hasty coyote]

1: Yeah sometimes you win and sometimes you dont, that tends to happen in an even matchup.
2: same speed would change basically nothing.
3: If you are not out in the open, then you have a whole lot of ways to break los and get the teno off of your tail, the only time it would be a problem is if you're in the open with no terrain to get it off of you.

You have the tools to win or flee.

[worthy steeple]

i would rather choose the water and have a chance to escape then die to tenos, because cera is the king in the water

[void depot]

Same speed would change a tiny amount of survivability and sometimes that's all you need in a situation is just a tiny tiny advantage is something so close

[worthy steeple]

so its either 100% death or 50/50 if theres deino

[void depot]

Unfortunately I didn't have water on hand. Though I had a 50/50 of giving a shot if I did

[worthy steeple]

i mean, the water is everywhere honesty and cera got 2.25 minutes of sprint, theres no way you cant find the water in time

but ill be honest i dont see a problem with making them same speed, i dont really care about that.. but not making cera faster, that would be terrible

[void depot]

In the moment I wasn't heading towards water I was doing what I could to get them off my tail and it just didn't work out

[worthy steeple]

it wont change anything really tho since its 0.2%

[worthy steeple]

did they bite you to death?

[void depot]

O can agree with that. It's a tiny change but a change that could matter in a chase situation

[worthy steeple]

it honestly wont matter at all, but i still dont really mind

[void depot]

Yes and no. I turned to fight for a second and did some damage but got even more messed up and started to run again and then was bit to death juking through brush

[worthy steeple]

well you decided to fight and got kicked, if you didnt you would survive

[void depot]

It will matter if you see them approaching or in my case I just heard something behind me so I took off but they were too close at that point

[worthy steeple]

so it takes around 40 body shot bites from the teno to kill an adult cera. even more if you used the resistance mutation, but the thing is they cant really bite your body, they will bite the tip of the tail, not to mention you can juke so most of the bites wont even land

so its honesly just impossible to bite cera to death, you will ran out of stamina before that

next time just find a bushy are and try to hide, or cross the river or start running when you see giant teno pack, they cant track you so its easy to lose them

[void depot]

Well they managed after our fight. Literally couldn't shake them.

[worthy steeple]

i tried many times that strat, i couldnt kill even a sub teno, i do no damage with those tip of the tail teno bites

[void depot]

And thats the whole reason for the post. Just frustrating. So we'll see what happens in the future

[hasty coyote]

heres the way I see it: whats the difference if that teno was instead another cera? the fact that if another cera got on your tail like that, you just die. Teno, you have plenty of ways to get away from, but another cera has all the same mobility but also has a MUCH stronger bite.

And if your issue is that one is a herbivore and one is a carnivore, then thats your issue

[worthy steeple]

honesly i think the maia in the new patch is going to be the real problem... but we'll see i guess

[steep gazelle]

Cerato players when they can't kill everything easily will always act like this xd

[worthy steeple]

you cant bring that energy here

[hasty coyote]

I have a feeling most people wont realize how good maia will be because it isnt a carnivore

[steep gazelle]

"How come herbivores are also a danger to me, even though they are in 8 and I am in 1? UNFAIR"

[worthy steeple]

yeah, but same thing happened when dilo got the buff, it took community more than a month to realize how strong dilo is

#general-feedback message #general-feedback message

and then maia ht happened, where people played only maia and dilo and nothing else

[elfin night]

See, humans don’t react instantly especially in a video game, so you are creating distance again with any sharp turn you take

Inherently so

And yeah, why the same, they are already very much the same 😭

[steep gazelle]

Why would Maia be a problem? Do you think he became too strong with the changes he had?

[worthy steeple]

if i see aggressive maia pack in the same pz i will run away as fast as i can, i can use rocks or swim away, sure. but i just dont like the obvious dominance

it would make sense if maia couldnt shove teno or cera honesly. so its forced to fight those in quad where its slower

but they decided to make maia a hunter, so yeah if you see maias you better run

[hasty coyote]

It is fast but its weakness was that it had trouble standing its ground. However, now its ability to stand its ground is incredibly strong. So it can now both chase and fight. Granted it has a slow turn so things can generally juke it out, but if you get multiple maias they are nearly impossible to deal with.

[neon willow]

@mint girder the clones are supposed to represent the venom itself attacking your body (kinda like how snake and spider venoms usually cause tissue necrosis). That's why clones do damage, and why they're only visible to the envenomated player. Though, you're right that they're OP.

I think two things that would help balance it out is to reduce the clone damage some, and make it so that you have to bite the target and inject more venom to recharge your clones (allowing the defending dinosaur a chance to fight back)

[mint girder]

yeah

i mean it's crazy im on a server rn and 4 dilos killing everything

cus of how unbalanced the game can be

[neon willow]

Dilo shouldn't be able to stack 2-3 bites and then nope out of the rest of the fight

[mint girder]

also dilo is super fast

speed mut one is faster than dryo

and can keep up with galli

[neon willow]

I mean the speed muts really should just be removed

They are pretty much required to take or you get run down by things that your dino just wasn't designed to fight

[mint girder]

right

[steep gazelle]

@mint girder The clone should do damage, but it needs to be nerfed. If the clone doesn't do damage, killing something like Dilo becomes very VERY difficult.

[mint girder]

ye

i mean i just watched 4 dilos kill 2 dibbles

[steep gazelle]

Dilo's clone needs rework, Dilo at night kills literally everything in a group of 4 and will kill even the Apex if nothing is done

[mint girder]

ye

[steep gazelle]

But it seems that the devs are not paying much attention to this. There are so many feedbacks asking for a nerf to Cera Puke and the Dilo clones and nothing has been done yet.

[mint girder]

yeah \o/

[muted phoenix]

let the flame begin 🔥

[dusky surge]

Reverting Carno weight and nothing else would make it the most disgustingly OP playable the game has ever seen lol

[muted phoenix]

nahhh, bro needs a buff

[dusky surge]

On the HT it’s perfectly fine lol

[muted phoenix]

bc theres nothing to kill it on HT haha

[dusky surge]

The population has nothing to do with its viability lol

[crimson crater]

only thing i agree with in ur feedback is stego weight increase

[dusky surge]

Same yea

[muted phoenix]

its like hunting w buckshot. only takes one pellet, ❤️

[dusky surge]

And honestly I care more about stego’s stam than its weight atm

[muted phoenix]

whats your take on its stam?

[crimson crater]

tactile endurance carrying it

[muted phoenix]

ah

[crimson crater]

takes a crazy amount per swing, iirc 10% to 15%

[muted phoenix]

i havent ran steggo in a couple months but it was a beast when i was playing it

[dusky surge]

If you removed tact, it’d be exceptionally weak, which is bad because tact ABSOLUTELY should be removed

[muted phoenix]

valid

[dusky surge]

(Also I should be allowed to pick more than just tact to be viable)

[crimson crater]

wild how these mutations have been in for almost a year now lol

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message

Okay quickfire: (deep breath)

Nope nope nope huh? huh? maybe ig maybe-nope NOPE nope nopelol nope nopelol agreed-beipi-my-beloved NOPE nopelmao agreed agreed

the ptera, maia and cera ones

[floral frigate]

Why don't you want the hypsies in the trees 😭

Poor little dudes need something going for them

[elfin night]

not that I don't want them

but why suggest that? You literally can already, why wouldn't they in the future

[dusky surge]

The treetop village thing is already a planned thing for hypsi

[elfin night]

just court and nest one a thick branch

[dusky surge]

Like different types of nests connecting into one bigger structure

[elfin night]

or well, this too

[floral frigate]

I think they mean the climbing stuff too

[dusky surge]

It’s also 100% getting that

[floral frigate]

I mean i know it's already planned but so are half of the suggestions people post on there

[elfin night]

no need to suggest that, same as dryo dodges. Why another one when they recharge so quickly?

saying that cera shouldn't have high dps is wild

[floral frigate]

I think right now something about cera needs to change. And I don't know what because I'm not an expert on game balance but cera isn't supposed to be a mid-to-big game hunter, right?

[elfin night]

obviously

but for that you can retouch the charged bite

instead of nerfing cera's damage

[mortal raptor]

#balance-feedback message imma keep it real bro almost none of these changes address the root of the issues that they want to fix

[elfin night]

if cera doesn't get good dps then it is cooked

[floral frigate]

I think they need to make cera more focused on the corpse bully aspect

I can see it being really cool as like a vulture type thing

But in it's current state it might as well just be a rex

[elfin night]

then slow it down while it does the charged bite

problem solved

[floral frigate]

People would still hunt with it tho, the charged bite only takes a second or two to charge and that won't be significant enough to stop people

[elfin night]

just make its greatest weapon a defensive one instead of the perfect big burst hit and run move it is rn

[elfin night]

people would still hunt and that's okay with cera. Being specialized in scavenging doesn't make something bad at hunting

[floral frigate]

Yeah but it won't really change their niche. They'll still just be hunters, just slightly worse

[elfin night]

but if you significantly slow cera down as it does that move, then it cannot really catch up to you with it or disengage as easily from a maia or dibble after doing it

[floral frigate]

I think if they nerf the dps generally, but increase the effect of the body buff, and also slow with the charge bite, it'll fit its niche a lot better. And I don't mean nerf it into the ground, it should still be able to hunt to an extent, just give players an incentive to scavenge

[elfin night]

by nerfing its dps then you are allowing things like carno to trade with it

hell even dilos without as much trouble now

[floral frigate]

That's more of an issue with the dilo tbh

[elfin night]

that's more of an issue with nerfing the damage of a brawler dinosaur

[floral frigate]

And a Carno should be able to have a decent fight against a cera, when it's not guarding a body

[elfin night]

not really

[floral frigate]

I don't really play them much but I believe they are about the same weight and growth time

Correct me if I'm wrong

[elfin night]

you shouldn't be close to having a 50/50, let alone the upper hand, when you are 20kph faster than your opponent. Because that means the entire engagement of the fight is dependent on the carno, so it can force the cera into a fight but then not commit if things go wrong

[elfin night]

in HT this is completely true, yet they have completely different niches

one is a defensive brawler corpse bully and the other a fast moving, slow turn small game hunter

[floral frigate]

Well yeah, let the carno fight the cera then. Unless there's a corpse. The cera players then have a reason to corpse bully

The bile will still be a thing, so the carno will have an incentive to not attack the cera

Like sure they might be able to kill it but it'll be a hard fight and they'll have thrown up and lost their diet

[elfin night]

very much what happens rn

so imagine how bad it would be if you did nerf such a vital stat for cera on top of the individually acceptable charged bite nerf

[floral frigate]

I'm not saying there should be a massive nerf to the point where it couldn't fight back, just to the point where the player wouldn't be as confident charging at people rather than corpse bullying

Because if you reduce the general dps, it also allows the body buff to be a much more significant factor

[elfin night]

in order to corpse bully, you have to do one vital step first where you may not have the body buff

that is, charging at people

[floral frigate]

Yeah, but that's the risky bit. It should be hard to steal a body from someone

[elfin night]

you cannot really catch up to them, but it should be a terrible idea to attempt to facetank a cera or approach it frontally

[elfin night]

why making hard your specialty?

[floral frigate]

Wdym? I just don't think the cera should be able to carelessly sprint at people with no repercussions

That's not how it works for any other dinos. Herrera, for example, can get an easy kill, but if they do it wrong they're probably dead

[elfin night]

obviously it is going to get bodied if it does that to an allo, other ceras, a rex and the like

but why should a creature be nerfed so it is harder to do what they excel at

[floral frigate]

I'm saying there should be a risk.

[elfin night]

it's like shortening herra's jump so it takes more effort to lunge someone or go to another branch

and there is for pretty much anything that can rival you rn

even lone carnos

[floral frigate]

No, it's like giving the herrera low health so that if it misses its jump it dies easily. Which is what happens in game

The whole gameplay loop of the isle is abou risk, and currently there isn't really much risk to ceras

[elfin night]

because duh

from who can they steal corpses besides clueless carnos or some dilos or omnis

just wait for other things to come out and it will be very different

[floral frigate]

Well those other things aren't out now and because of that cera is just allowed to be opressive?

[elfin night]

but now, nerfing the damage of a brawler who does need its dps as a deterrent from trading and is also rather slow for its size

there is only one thing that makes cera oppressive and it is the charged bite, that's it. Most of the other values are just fine, but it is its cost free, easy to use ability what allows it to 4 shot tenos and being great at hit and run against larger opponents

there is nothing wrong with its bite speed or bite force (main factors of something's dps)

plus we have rex right around the corner

[floral frigate]

Idk i just think it'd be cool for the cera to run in on abandoned corpses and claim them, by making the body buff way more significant. But I'm also aware that just making a really powerful body buff will make cera way too overpowered, so it would have to get a nerf to compensate for that

[elfin night]

body buff is easily one of the least impactful things in its kit

plus it is super easy to counter

[floral frigate]

I just think it'd be cool if it was more impactful

[elfin night]

I mean it does make the difference if your opponent is persistent

but there is no other way to make that proximity buff more impactful

[floral frigate]

I've got my little vision of ceras sprinting in from the jungle of south plains and taking over an abandoned body

[elfin night]

90% bleed resist and 2600hp is insanely good on max body buff and serves its purpose fine

[elfin night]

they are also built to jump right into the action after something gets a fresh kill

[floral frigate]

I don't really know man

I just want big therapod vultures

Either way I gtg so cya!

[crimson crater]

75%

[dusky surge]

damage is honestly the one thing i dont really get nerfing about cera

like... it's supposed to scare you away from what it wants

like genuinely make it slower while charging bite

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message the teno part made me laugh tbh lool

the feedback is wild tho

[worthy steeple]

well erm.. it’s 99% on HT so all that doesn’t matter anymore AGAHAHAHAHAH

devs listened to our cera feedbacks and decided to remove the body buff, for now on it will be called “cera magic shield” because funny

i wonder why cera doesn’t bleed, is it even alive?

there’s no life or death for cera, just existence

[minor axle]

Cera is made of Aku goo

[worthy steeple]

i’m going to bed now, i swear to god if i wake up and see potato sent “mhhmm cheesy” gif i will have a mental breakdown

[iron tree]

They removed the body buff?

[void depot]

Stego does not need to be scaled up for rex and trike. Stego should remain the way it is.

[dusky surge]

depends how well they balance rex around it

[void depot]

Most people who want a stego buff, want to be able to 1v1 rex which shouldn't be the case cause rex is massive and should always win in that regard. Stego is a herd creature and in a group they're good. The way it is now is perfectly fine.

[keen plover]

Every creature has the tools to either escape a predator or fight back. Why would stego be different?

[dusky surge]

stego is not a herd creature

it is literally the worst option you could choose for a herd creature lol

king of friendly fire

so, make stego faster if you want it to be weaker than rex

[void depot]

But it literally is a herd creature regardless of how bad people play it.

[dusky surge]

you know what happens to herd creatures? they die off and no one plays them

case in point, pachy, an animal delegated to herd creature

no one plays it because they could play actually viable animals that are strong both in and out of a herd

rather than playing pachy, which is only good in a herd

[keen plover]

Funny thing is, pachy is "viable"

It has the tools to at least survive against all animals 1 v 1

Stego doesn't have that luxury

[void depot]

My point is that people want to make stego strong enough to 1v1 rex basically which is stupid since they can have bigger groups and usually hang with other herbi.

[dusky surge]

its solo survival tools are THERE, but not consistent

stego doesn't even have fractures to compensate for its poor solo capability

[dusky surge]

so? who cares if it has bigger groups lol

or who it hangs out with

no one is going to play it if its flatout unviable

[void depot]

You're missing my point smh

[keen plover]

The same could be said for any other herbi?

[dusky surge]

you aren't spending 5 hours to grow rex food

[dusky surge]

which are also viable solo lol

[void depot]

Point: stego is fine cause its ment to play as a group and doesn't need to 1v1 rex

[dusky surge]

it isn't meant to play in a group

[void depot]

Literally is

[dusky surge]

it literally friendly fires all the time

additionally, what other animal is like that?

[void depot]

Doesn't mean its not meant to play in a group cause people are bad at it lol

[dusky surge]

no?

nothing in its kit aids group play

[keen plover]

It's tools aren't the best for group play. Diablo is a better team player. So is teno (which is eh)

[void depot]

Dibble is great in a group for sure

[keen plover]

Also no way anyone is going to play stego lol. If it loses in a 1 v 1, it's going to lose in a 2 v 2 and the groups just scale up

[dusky surge]

raptor is meant to play in a group due to grapple, pachy is great in groups because fractures disable things, allowing its group to capitalise, troodon has its venom that enables large groups to do hella damage, diablo can defend the flanks of others

stego literally is just high damage output in a huge range around itself, perfect for actually playing a solo animal against several creatures

[void depot]

Doesn't have to

Benefits are in the numbers

[keen plover]

ok but why wouldn't rex also group up?

[void depot]

And this was my point its fine the way it is and doesn't need to be buffed at all the way people have advocated for

[void depot]

They get 3 if the 3rd is young and gets booted from group when it hits a certain %. Then they are back to 2

[keen plover]

I don't think balancing around group limits is a smart idea seeing as that has never worked out in game. If that's the only thing stopping a complete stego herd wipe is a rex following group limits then something is wrong.

Smarter to just balance them 1 v 1

[dusky surge]

^

everything else in the game is balanced around 1v1s

don't make an exception for stego because some "herd animal" mentality

galli is an infinitely better herd animal and it's amazing solo too

[dusky surge]

so it just megapacks lol

the honour system isn't great for balancing

[void depot]

Stego doesn't need to 1v1 rex period

Thats all

[keen plover]

Then it should be able to escape it

[void depot]

Or have buds to help defend

[keen plover]

... lol

[void depot]

But outright rex shouldn't have a big issue with a solo stego

[dusky surge]

then it'll be another thing on its diet it won't ever see

lol

[void depot]

Someone will play it

[dusky surge]

yea, same way pachy, dryo and hypsi are all the rage

[keen plover]

True but that largely kills off a playerbase

seeing one stego in a server moment

[void depot]

They just got to play it as intended to protect against apex aka herds

[dusky surge]

wait, actually, dryo/hypsi/pachy don't take 5 hours

so even less people will play stego LOL

[keen plover]

Most people don't play stego because it's stego rn. It's just the largest animal on land. When it has competition from predators and trike, the playerbase dwindles

[dusky surge]

or you could play trike and defend against apexes better because you don't risk hitting them with a clumsy tail, have far more health, can spar with the apexes forcing them to be open to other attacks, and have a shield head for people to get behind

so you've described trike but bad

hell, trike even has a herd size which is one size smaller than stego's, so it can nearly herd as well too

stego's 5 vs trike's 4

[elfin night]

Kos, killing other stegos and camping bodies:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-angel-come-with-me-gif-14015043

Stego is so fun when you are morally bankrupt in a game

[golden coral]

Balancing for herds are a terrible way to do it. 1v1 needs to be viable, be it by fighting or running. So yes, stego should be able to escape, or fight off, a rex.

[dusky surge]

the stego playerbase actually shot WAY up when it had an actual threat like trike (especially since they're balanced around coexisting and one doesn't dominate the other easily with no counterplay)

While Trike absolutely CAN shred stego, stego has every opportunity to leave

I'm actually a big fan of the current way it works between trike and stego

[golden coral]

Which doesn't work, especially when rex can also come in numbers. As can any other playable.

[dusky surge]

meh honestly

not that fun tbh

[elfin night]

Also hunting lone trikes as a pair of stegos

[dusky surge]

yea

[elfin night]

Land whaling

[dusky surge]

especially since trike CAN still defend against two stegos if it plays competently

[golden coral]

Sure, it can run, maybe. But if it can't, then yes, it does need to 1v1 the rex.

[dusky surge]

if rex's matchup with stego is done as well as trike's, there'll be no issue tbh

[golden coral]

How is the current stego playerbase doing, by now? Still popular?

[dusky surge]

well HT is kinda... dead

but when it was active, stegos were constantly found in pairs

[rapid flume]

I hope apexes aren't too common once they release

[golden coral]

It'll be interesting to see if it holds up when both rex and trike are officially released

[dusky surge]

i mean, one can hope, but let's be honest, they're apexes lol

[vale brook]

i love when we make solo play unviable! thats so fun! thats so based! we definitely need a 5 hour long growth version of pachy!

[dusky surge]

people arguing that herd animals would be played when pachy has been rotting in a corner for the past few months is so funny to me

[vale brook]

#balance-feedback message

by the way this is this guys 14th deino to starve in swamp

and instead of going up river delta, he tries to get the saltwater mutation

to go into the ocean

where there is less food

do we collectively know einstiens definition of insanity

[dusky surge]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-3-vass-montenegro-did-i-ever-tell-you-the-definition-of-insanity-insanity-gif-9162815073500878983

[rapid flume]

do you think they got their refund

[vale brook]

id say no

[dusky surge]

the endless cycle of the deinosuchus player

[vale brook]

"let me sit in the place where i havent seen anyone in 3 hours. surely they will come now"

"oh i died.

let me go to that same spot"

i love islecord so much

[elfin night]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-gif-22672301

[elfin night]

“Game is supposed to be fun!”

playing deinosuchus

[vale brook]

hes angry

[elfin night]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[slim dragon]

The edit made me add a X
Now I'm a mixpacking meowmeow

[vale brook]

if not sharing opinions with people who fundamentally misunderstand game balance, game design, and game development all in one makes me a glazer than sure, you could say that

(and im not talking outta my ass here. based off previous comments made by him, theres a surface level understanding of 'dev does development' but nothing that actually goes into it)

but if you want an actual breakdown of whats wrong with your feedback; i can do that

[elfin night]

Same

[elfin night]

That’s just embarrassing to look at

[vale brook]

"Lost three deinos above 40% growth to starvation today. Games are supposed to be fun. Instead I frantically try to get saltwater mutation to move away from the swamp where you will find exactly zero other players that aren't also deinos" Why are you wasting time to get the saltwater mutation? It isnt required to be able to leave swamp. If youre going into the ocean... why? You struggle already with finding players inland, what makes you think it would be easier out at sea? Also, based off your previous statements in the past, this is your 13th deino you've lost in swamp. And instead of deciding "shoot, i spawned in swamp. let me book it out of here" which you can do WAY before 40%, you decide to... stay and try your luck? in a place that has yet to keep you alive past a stage thats sustainable via AI?

"that strange dark lighting entity that covers the entirety of the deino patrol zone and normally most of the migration zone blocks your vision just enough for the only food source you've seen in 2 hours, and the last one you'll see before having to start over from hatchling, to get away." Grammatical issues aside, you clearly dont understand how migration zones/patrol zones even work in this game if you think this bug is somehow connected to them in any way. Its a bug, yes, but its in specific spots of the map. A majority of water ways dont have this bug, but it is at its worst in areas where many water overlays overlap. Oh wait, what area suffers from this the most? Swamp. The area you refuse to leave for a solid while (ATLEAST) after you spawn considering one of your main complaints is the lack of AI in swamp lol.

[vale brook]

@tacit chasm if youre so inclined

[tacit chasm]

Imagine getting your feelings hurt because someone else doesn't enjoy the broken toy you play with. Lol.

[vale brook]

didnt your get feelings get hurt via bees

so much so that you went into someones dm's and started yelling slurs at them

[tacit chasm]

Youre crying still bro

Literally got an audience to cry in front of🤣🤣🤣

[vale brook]

he says as he cries over being so bad at the game he cant get a deino above 70%

[tacit chasm]

Imagine responding to every post directed towards a dev.

[vale brook]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[tacit chasm]

You guys are actually the saddest people. Worst than rust players level of sad.

[vale brook]

mind you that you havent actually responded to any point ive made and instead go straight to insults

[slim dragon]

I don't want to call anyone out
Or judge someone's behavior
Or imply anything that could be perceived as offensive
But usually the people who insult others, call them out for being "butthurt" and other assumptions and make excessive use of insults and mockery are the most (negatively) emotionally involved in a conversation

[tacit chasm]

What slur?

[elfin night]

[tacit chasm]

Usually the people that gang up to comment on people that aren't even talking to them have nothing of substance in their personal lives and try to insert themselves into everyone else's business

[vale brook]

what do you think the discussion channels are for

to discuss feedback

its in the name. we are discussing your feedback

[tacit chasm]

Relaying feedback to the devs

Not some dbag

[vale brook]

"balance-feedback-discussion" please be serious

a discussion channel for balance feedback

[slim dragon]

I'm not sure who or what you are referring to, but if you feel like you are being "ganged up on", feel free to ask for some assistance. I would happily provide you with support if you need it.

[tacit chasm]

I don't need help, you guys are all little kittens

[vale brook]

oh we werent offering help

we were telling you what was wrong with your feedback

[slim dragon]

Somehow I expected you to answer that

[vale brook]

or atleast i wasnt offering help lol

[tacit chasm]

I know, you just talk to talk and nothing useful comes put the ck holster of yours

[vale brook]

but if you need help with deino im always down. theyre decently easy to grow. looking forward to it :D

[tacit chasm]

Out*

I wouldn't play with you tards lol

[vale brook]

oh look

he said it again

[slim dragon]

Well you got a point here, I'm not here to prove a point, just to enjoy the conversation, as anyone should be
And so far I am indeed enjoying it

[vale brook]

i wonder if he'll use the same excuse that he used in dms

[tacit chasm]

Oh god, a "slurc

"SLUR"

Excuse?

I never excused myself

[keen plover]

[hollow topaz]

The aggression in the feedback discussion channels is kinda wild tonight.

[tacit chasm]

Yeah we got like 5 circle jerkers in here

[vale brook]

you can lie all you want

[tacit chasm]

They're almost finished though

[vale brook]

people get angry when they realize that maybe the issue isnt entirely the games fault

[tacit chasm]

Yeah it isn't a slur, only soft people need language to be censored

[slim dragon]

I have a question to ask you
You don't seem to be trying to argue with anything either here, nor do you seem to be particularly enjoying the conversation
So what exactly are you doing here ?

[vale brook]

still trying to get a refund probably

[slim dragon]

But you need to ask on Steam for a refund, not on Discord

[tacit chasm]

I got a notification, and I enjou making soft people cry

[tacit chasm]

Who asked for a refund on discord?

[keen plover]

Eh. It's not really the best thing to play rn. The growing stage is a chore since you can't reliably hunt anything outside of cheesing ai

[vale brook]

theres a difference between playing something that can have difficulty growing and then going out of your way to make things 10x harder for yourself

[tacit chasm]

The collective levels of iq among the 4 of you are astounding. Almost triple digits

[tacit chasm]

It needs a lot of work

[tacit chasm]

Some people are incapable of admitting that truth

And they get their fee fees hurt

[vale brook]

meanwhile ive advocated for deino changes multiple times in the past

[keen plover]

I wouldn't even say it's difficult. It's just bad imo. like outside of "cooking" schooling fish what else does deino have when they're small?

[vale brook]

its not the best but you can absolutely do things to atleast give yourself a better chance.

i.e not staying in swamp 10 times in a row after starving there each time

[keen plover]

I mean why even have it as a spawn point

[vale brook]

do you expect to stay at every spawn point you get

spawn point does not mean "wow im locked here for the next hour"

[dusky surge]

lmao

[keen plover]

I mean yeah? Regardless, i think deino needs more food options when smaller. But so does every juvi carni

[vale brook]

thats the thing

hes not even small anymore when hes dying

hes 40%+

so he can grab ceratos/carnos/omnis/dilos/

but yes i do agree with you that deino juvies (as in fresh spawns) need a bit more

and you know what that bit more is..,.,.,.,, turtle..././/./.

[dusky surge]

tortle

[tacit chasm]

Youre a glazer because you vehemently defend the game when someone makes a suggestion. You and avaliant act like you guys have some pull or are some sort of rockstars in this discord channel, but you guys just sound like tards evertime you say something.

[vale brook]

ouhhhh turtle on deino diet come to me i need you

[vale brook]

womp womp let it haunt

[dusky surge]

mad for what

[tacit chasm]

You guys actually had a full conversation without me here, but it's haunting me. Lol

[slim dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-spin-water-happy-gif-20125177

[slim dragon]

People have conversations in a conversation channel, that's crazy

[vale brook]

you mean the convo actually moves when you're not here? its almost like its not stuck in place going in a circle of "hey maybe you shouldnt say slurs and just insult others"

[tacit chasm]

I'm looking back, yall were along about me for like 20 minutes before you pinned me in a comment. Yall are actually sad lololol

Talking about*

[vale brook]

but yes turtle in general would be a good addition to deino diet, especially considering they lose any chance of elite fish spawns if theyre in an area where turtle spawns (outside of a very niche area that is already decently popular with deinos, so you'd risk being cannibalized regardless)

[tacit chasm]

Looking at my profile and taking ss, yall are weird bro.

[vale brook]

it would give ocean deinos a bit more survivability out at sea instead of just "wow i have 3 spots i can go to and if i dont, i am so dead"

[tacit chasm]

Youre not allowed around kids, huh sammy?

You have that vibe bro

[vale brook]

seeing 1 blocked message pop up everytime i type is so funny i forgot how much i liked that

[dusky surge]

my god man you really need that attention huh

[tacit chasm]

Whose talking to you? You want some attention?

[dusky surge]

its an open channel. leave if you cant handle more than one person talking at a time lmao

[golden coral]

@tacit chasmYou know, if you actually focused on your feedback, you might have better success here. I doubt most cares about you personally, it's the feedback and if it's good or bad, that is relevant here.

[tacit chasm]

Youre trying to guide how to speak, now I tell you I wasn't even talking to you and that's your response? Lol

[keen plover]

Had to make sure but that's roughly a 1.5t deino which is not really going to be hunting carnos. Also most of those animals are sadly at places that are hotspots. More of a map issue tho

[dusky surge]

tf you talking about guiding how to speak lol

[vale brook]

okay let me correct myself

10 of his deinos were 70%+, and the 3 before were 40%+

and i know that because of his feedback yesterday lol

[keen plover]

oh

[vale brook]

like im telling you i know deino can be rough. this is not a case of deino being rough lol

[keen plover]

Well anyways, deino needs more love when it's smaller and NV needs fixing but iirc that's meant to happen?

[vale brook]

or atleast not to the degree hes trying to imply

[vale brook]

yeah im just excited for the kit adjustment

[dusky surge]

apex animal is more difficult than not apex

but yea if you fixed deino's NV and made its juvi less stinky stupid i'd be happy

but underwater NV needs more fixing than just deino

[vale brook]

i imagine 30ish% deinos will have a field day hunting quetzals that fly over rivers

[tacit chasm]

You want me to leave because I told you I wasnt talking to you after claimed I want attention, but nobody was talking to you. Who wanted attention? I'm responding to people that were having a conversation about me for 20 minutes brother. Sit down an shaddup

[vale brook]

i kinda miss the NV underwater had before the NV update

[dusky surge]

hey man

[vale brook]

not because it was great but it was atleast usable and somewhat scary depending on circumstance

[slim dragon]

Isn't it funny how everytime you meet someone new, your first interaction is to insult them ? Is it because you feel safe to be toxic behind your computer screen or do you act the same way irl ?

[dusky surge]

me me fight big strong

[elfin night]

I dont wanna have beef with some rando but man

[tacit chasm]

Go back and read the responses. I'm giving what I get

[elfin night]

This is making it hard

[dusky surge]

why have beef he's hella entertaining

[slim dragon]

Who insulted you ?

[tacit chasm]

And stop being so fkn soft. Yall cry too much

[elfin night]

I don’t see it that way but he certainly does

[slim dragon]

Is that what you think is happening ?

[dusky surge]

its very rare we get someone so amusing around here

[tacit chasm]

@slim dragon bro I got a notification and came here to see that you and 4 other people were running their mouths. Keep crying about me dude.

[vale brook]

'running mouth' = calling out bad feedback

[tacit chasm]

Being a dead game, I can see that

[dusky surge]

this is a discord

[slim dragon]

Actually I wasn't part of the conversation at that point, but sure. So that's your conclusion ?

[vale brook]

also if youre being so aggressive because we insulted you... who insulted you in this convo when you came at me sideways because i said a few things you didnt like?

[tacit chasm]

Having them fix the lighting issue in the swamp and make food spawns work correctly is bad feedback only if you glaze the devs

[golden coral]

@tacit chasmYou made a feedback post, people reacted to it and discussed it, in the discussion channel, not sure why this is somehow something to have an entire argument about

[tacit chasm]

Your suggestion was to not play in the area affected, which is pretty much the entire swamp. What a dm ahh suggestion. You should've just kept your mouth closed

[vale brook]

thats not what i asked

come on, read. you can do it.

i asked who insulted you in that interaction

[tacit chasm]

Whoa arguing? I'm responding and catching up to the conversation about me that's been going on

[tacit chasm]

Link all your comments

Don't cherry pick ya soft lil meow meow

[vale brook]

okayh, here #general-feedback-discussion message

i have nothing to hide lol

[golden coral]

Well, you're not responding to the talk about your feedback, which would probably be a bit more useful in here, than talking about them and going on about that

[tacit chasm]

What?

[dusky surge]

idk what a meow meow is but i like the fact you use it like a slur

[elfin night]

That wouldn’t be wrong at all. But it is certainly pathetic to start complaining about glazers and the like after getting a few downvotes WHICH BY THE WAY, they have NO IMPACT in whether your suggestion will be heard or not

[golden coral]

So far, most of what I've seen is you complaining about the others here, rather than focusing on what they've actually said about your feedback and talking about if that is helpful or not for your gameplay