balance-feedback-discussion

[swift wind]

one option, jump on rock, if no rock youre going to get run down by a stronger and faster dino before you get to one, option two, hide in a bush... doesnt work because you are not a 50kg hatchling anymore and dilos are fast enough to be on your ass before you can lose line of sight

[hasty coyote]

If dilo is slower, it's basically going to have to stand its ground, because otherwise you just bleed out to the omni and you aren't catching it. Which then means it has to rely on its horrid agility and alt attacks to hit an omni. And if the omni is any bit competent, they can bait a bite and land a pounce. And at that point, do damage pounce and then face tank the dilo to death.

[hasty coyote]

you really underestimate the power of bushes and the A and D keys.

[swift wind]

matching competence in a 1v1 the dilo is not going to allow itself to be pounced on

[hasty coyote]

how agile do you think dilo is?

[swift wind]

agile enough

[hasty coyote]

it aint, omni can literally run around a dilo faster than the dilo can turn around itself.

[swift wind]

never happened

[hasty coyote]

[swift wind]

just doesnt happen in my experience, dilos can just reverse the direction theyre rotating and catch the omni instead of following the direction it is circling it from. that situation doesnt take into account burning stam to try and get an angle, or if youre fighting in a pack v pack situation

[sharp patrol]

Saying it's easy for an Omni to survive a dilo pack is hilarious, maybe if the dilos are bad, superior agility doesn't mean anything where there is no where to out turn to with 4 different mouths chasing you, dilo beats Omni in a face tank, in raw damage, sure an Omni can bleed it out but a dilo can bit an Omni once and it's essentially dead

[cobalt dagger]

Yeah I'm saying both solo raptors die to groups of dilos, and solo dilos dies to groups of raptors, but if the solo dilo was slower it would be way more dead because the raptor can get on things to get away.

I'm also saying that solo dilos die to solo raptors, and that solo raptors die to solo dilos, but that if somehow the dilo couldn't run away, the solo dilo would be way more dead because it bleeds so fast and because it can't jump on an object to get away.

[swift wind]

omni opps acting as if omnis carry around rocks for them to jump on in times of distress

[cobalt dagger]

Oh but it matters in a fight between two skilled individuals who know how to use their turning. I'd way in low skill environments the dilo would win though and in high skill environments it's definitely the raptor.

I do however entirely agree that dilo's venom is OP and needs to be tuned somehow.

But I see this as a 'nerf dilo's venom' problem not a 'nerf dilo's speed' problem

[hasty coyote]

def

[swift wind]

i disagree. in a solo vs solo environment the dilo has the option to pursue, run or fight. omni cant 1v1 a dilo effectively no matter how bad you think their agility is

[cobalt dagger]

This is a hypothetical 'if forced to fight and unable to run away'.

Well then. I consider myself a fairly skilled dilo, and guess what, I've been 1 v 1'd by raptors. And they didn't even get the first hit, it was me rushing them down.

I'm not the best dilo, but I'm not a noob either.

The raptor was probably amazing, but then wow, I've run into amazing raptors 3 different times. Sure is a lot of 'em.

The raptors that beat me ALL abused my low turning

I was forced to try to alt-attack to insta-turn and then they just baited my alt like I was a diablo.

After they latch to you once, even for a few seconds, dilo bleeds SO fast, and even faster if you're running. I was unable to flee after they did that.

[cobalt dagger]

Then the omni needs to switch direction too and it becomes an interesting mind game, as it often does with turning.

You can also jump OVER the dilo too, funny enough.

I agree to this.

I think if we nerf dilo's venom and remove silly speed mutations it could be a lot better.

In my opinion, dilo does not need to be insanely powerful as long as it can run away and eat AI sea turtles.

Then it can, live, ya know?

It does pretty good at just living, so I don't see a need for any particularly fantastic venom.

Though I do want the venom to do damage still, as I still feel it should be, like, venomous.... But I think 'land bites to get clones' is a good start.

Kinda makes sense that way too, more bites is more venom, and the venom is the thing doing the damage anyway

[swift wind]

switching directions whilst sprinting around a dilo is not comparable to a dilo switching directions to intercept said sprinting omni...

[cobalt dagger]

You'd be surprised, you can out-turn it that way. Even if you start sprinting around, so the dilo starts turning the opposite way? For a second there he has to give you his tail, now pounce it. Or bite it. Do something, he just gave you his back.

But any issue raptor has with Dilo has to be even worse with carno.

Carno is way harder to bleed out (still bleeds but being bigger means not as much as dilo bleeds), way faster, and way more damage, certainly and fully capable of sprinting down and facetanking a raptor.

The way raptor is expected to survive both is the same - dodge, abuse their turn radius, and abuse their bleed by landing a pounce.

If you didn't know, certain factors affect how fast you bleed. Food, water, stamina, and stance.

Low food increases bleed, low water increases how fast you bleed, low stamina increases how fast you bleed. Sitting is the best to reduce bleed, standing up without moving is 2nd best, walking makes you bleed faster than both, and sprinting makes you bleed VERY fast as anything. But carno and dilo are designed to bleed faster than anyone else, with carno having unique programming to bleed disporportionately quickly when sprinting, and it seems dilo does too.

[swift wind]

only issue with carno is that its hitbox nullifies any dodges you can perform, if this was fixed there wouldnt be an issue

[cobalt dagger]

In other words. Once a dilo is bleeding, it cannot affort to sprint, as this drains stamina and is, well, sprinting.

[cobalt dagger]

Why are you able to dodge a carno and not a dilo? Carno's turn radius was buffed, I've heard (Because I haven't played carno yet) that he actually turns smoother than a dilo now.

Once you latch to a dilo, if I was said dilo, I'd be thinking 'great, now I HAVE to kill this guy, or else he'll never let me sit, and I'll bleed out.' It may become defensive and walk, unless... It's real dumb, and doesn't know it's bleeding. weave left and right while running away from the dilo if it just charges you, which is what I would do. If it's smart, it will then start to be stationary when it realizes it's bleeding out and not landing hits, and it will wait for you to come to it. At that point, you can attempt to flee (if it follows it will suffer, and you may get to even eat it in that case), or you can try to go for the kill which will be a bit harder and requires abusing it's turn radius.

Abusing the turn radius of a stationary dilo is harder than abusing the turn radius of a sprinting dilo; if they make a sharp turn while sprinting they will loose speed and momentum, so you can use this to your advantage to get some distance from the dilo just by making sharp turns.

[cobalt dagger]

Oh for the sake of info; About the things that make you bleed faster... If you are hungry AND thristy, you will bleed worse than if you only had one or the other. Like, these increased bleed statuses 'stack.' That's another reason why sprinting is so bad, as it meets the 'you are sprinting so you now bleed like an anime character' criteria, while also lowering your stamina because you're using it.

It's also worth mentioning, as raptor, if you prey is camping a location, that means their water and food is ticking down slowly. If you have a group, take turns eating and drinking while someone remains to watch and imprison the prey at hand and prevent it from safelogging next to whatever tree or wall it's next to.

Over time it may come to a state where it could even take damage from dehydration, but long before then it will be bleeding far worse from it's combined bad food and water stats.

Try to bait it to chase you if you want to get it to bleed a little faster.

It's a bit mean in my opinion just because it means whatever prey has to sit around while you literally kill it in the slowest way possible, but it definitely works.

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

runs at 6 ton murdercow with 1.3 ton scavenger
dies

if only this death could've been prevented

[swift wind]

youre right they need to fix hitboxes

[dusky surge]

or maybe just dont f around and you won't have to find out LMAO

[swift wind]

you understand what a feint is right?

[edgy crow]

why do that

[dusky surge]

you understand what risk assessment is, right?

[swift wind]

ill take that as a no then

[worthy steeple]

yeah lol

[dusky surge]

him simply saying "it was a feint" and "i wasn't in the hitbox range" is well and good but like

he could just be SAYING that, or simply didn't gauge his distance well enough

[viscid mica]

@half flare stego isn’t built for fighting current roaster it’s built for when apex’s exist and in that regard it seems balanced to me

[swift wind]

knowing how 💩 hitreg is in this game he probably aint lying

[worthy steeple]

what have you done @half flare ? you’ve summoned ziowar

[dusky surge]

ok so if the hitbox being garbage is apparently a universal constant, then that should give you even MORE reason to keep your ass away from stego rather than playing chicken with it as a full-grown cera

[viscid mica]

Nothing too bad he is right that carno charge hitbox is oversized

[worthy steeple]

so i have a theory, i tested carnos hitboxes and they’re honestly fine. what i think is hitboxes are getting all messed up when the target dino moves, im not talking about the desync, its the hitbox itself becomes really weird

[viscid mica]

Bro why are there like 4 text walls up chat and mostly after bros in types

[keen plover]

Hitbox is fine. Issue is latency

[worthy steeple]

if only we could actually see the real hitboxes, well, let’s wait for the modding and stuff

[dusky surge]

agreed. i've seen the hitboxes in action, they're extremely tight

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[keen plover]

Go to a test server and make a stego stand still and use their swings. The issue occurs when people are running around and desync happens

[worthy steeple]

yes

[viscid mica]

[keen plover]

Honestly, just avoid stego for now lol. At least rex and allo are upcoming!

Cerato is a poor choice to hunt stegos with. Ever since bacteria was altered and power swing was added

[viscid mica]

Stego is built for being extremely annoying to fight it’s the nature of tail eveningstars

[keen plover]

Yeah. anti flank with really good reach

not worth it unless you're a raptor pack and even then

[viscid mica]

You can do it as dilo but you gotta play it super slow and grind that t3 at night

In large group too

[keen plover]

Dilo is an odd one for me. It either works really well (BUSTED) or it doesn't at all.

btw it takes 3 bites to a stegos head at night to get them purple which is pretty funny

Not the hardest thing to achieve

[half flare]

I didn't fighted, i didn't landed hit.
I just run then turn to cancel my charge but it toucher me somehow and OS me.

[viscid mica]

How far away?

In omnis XD

[half flare]

Anyway.
This tail OS full adult cera, somepeople saying (yeh 6 tons murdecow tail should OS)
So give the cera able to OS when he bit the stego little head 😆

[worthy steeple]

xdd

[viscid mica]

Stego have head armour plating and a cera is barely 1/6 of its weight that makes no sense

Cera isn’t meant to hunt stego simply as that

[viscid mica]

It’s a good range guide XD

[half flare]

Mayne 3/4 metter and i was front of him. So the far possible from tail

[viscid mica]

That’s either the worst desync known to man kind or a range hacking stego

[half flare]

Who is suppose to Hunt stego ?

[viscid mica]

Nothing in game rn is built for hunting stego

Stego is something proper mid sized carni or larger can look to challenge

Like technically anything can but nothing is currently set up to do so effectively

[half flare]

So no i play stego then kill other stego, this is the way 😆

[viscid mica]

That’s half of stegos anyway lol

You can always wait allo and Rex aren’t too far out

Those 2 have much better odds for stego hunting

[half flare]

Raptor should be able go hunt stego, as its in diet

[keen plover]

You have the tools for it so go for it.

[viscid mica]

Diet doesn’t mean it’s effective and well raptors can it takes a full group of FGs and a lot of time and effort to go without loses

[keen plover]

You need a good pack though and those are rare

[viscid mica]

Ye

[half flare]

Not i had 12 raptor pack

[viscid mica]

Like Maia is on carno diet but anything less than like 6+ are not challenging a Maia

[keen plover]

You can straight up nuke a stegos stam pool if you get like 3 on them and it bucks

100 to 0%

[viscid mica]

If you manage to get 6 you can outrightly pin it

And if it’s stam is below 20 you can pin it with 2 FG

[half flare]

But we lost stam so fast

[viscid mica]

You gotta play it smart

Keep spacing don’t be afraid to walk back to 100% before re-engaging simply maintaining spacing and keeping it location locked helps a lot

[half flare]

Do we have to bleed it or damage ?

[viscid mica]

Added stress makes people make mistakes

[keen plover]

go for bleed imo

[viscid mica]

How many FG are there

[half flare]

4/5

[viscid mica]

Bleed at start but if it’s stam gets low and you can pin damage

Again be careful with stam and don’t be afraid to just circle and regen stam

If you z walk (slow walk) you can regen from 40% and trot can regen from 60%

[half flare]

Issue is it take toooooo long and we mostly got engaged from soemthing else d'urine fights

[viscid mica]

With how zippy omni is you can always tap shift to make distance

[half flare]

Or other herb comes to help

[viscid mica]

Ya that’s the pain of hunting such a large target as a smaller group

Yup

[worthy steeple]

btw did they buff omnis bleed? like tap pounces do insane bleed now

[viscid mica]

Usually unless you have the numbers to fight multiple or can quickly kill something as large as a stego isn’t worth the effort other than the glory of saying you killed a stego as omni

[viscid mica]

I think they fixed the bleed pounce so it actually activates

[half flare]

Look weird imo actually

[viscid mica]

I mean a full stam damage pounce form 100% to 0% does 1k damage

[half flare]

When did they do it ? Maybe i didn't retryed

[worthy steeple]

oh i see, it does A LOT of bleed, like holy. omnis were pouncing me and instantly jumping off, got me to 70% bleed

was a teno

[viscid mica]

unless you got a
Clip I wouldn’t be able to answer as I’d have to see the animation ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worthy steeple]

tho tbf i did this to them💀

[viscid mica]

Omg he does hold up

[viscid mica]

Oh Lordy

[worthy steeple]

guess how many i killed?

[viscid mica]

Ya I dunno

[viscid mica]

As teno a lot you can dam near 1 tap them

[worthy steeple]

12 adults💀

and bunch of subs

[worthy steeple]

tbf it takes 2 kicks to kill

they were dumb enough to pounce me when i was hugging the wall

and like i get it when the one does that, but the rest just doesn’t learn, they keep doing that

[viscid mica]

Oh Lordy

[half flare]

I got bleeded out as FG carno from teno last day he just put me ground then 2 legs attack and i l'est the fight to die bleeded out xD

[viscid mica]

Ya na at that point bating a hit and slapping some bleed with bites is best option

[tacit ether]

😂 💀 took me out

[worthy steeple]

i also 3v1 a ceras as solo teno an hour ago

[viscid mica]

Ya carno is a 2-1 minimum usually 3/4-1 if they are really high skilled teno

[half flare]

Which serv

[viscid mica]

Teno skill cap is insane

[half flare]

Maybe us

[worthy steeple]

eu4

[half flare]

Oh was not

[worthy steeple]

good xd

@viscid mica 💀💀💀

[viscid mica]

Oh na they wanted the booty

[worthy steeple]

dw, they got it

[viscid mica]

Dam bro was hitting all the HSs

[fiery shard]

literally

[worthy steeple]

you know what the funniest part?

[viscid mica]

I mean cheesy is a filthy teno main

[worthy steeple]

this is literally me on that gif, i recorded it💀

[worthy steeple]

🫦

[viscid mica]

[worthy steeple]

i love how it’s a meme now, but it also brings attention to carno stunlock

[fiery shard]

I love teno but I still have a problem with ceras huh

[worthy steeple]

kill them, kill all the ceras you see, even juvies

no mercy

[fiery shard]

[viscid mica]

Don’t worry teno skill cap is nuts it’s like the difference between a bronze siege player and a prop league siege player

[worthy steeple]

i didn’t understand the comparison, but i agree

i’m glad teno is purely defensive, it would be insane if you could use that power in offense💀

[viscid mica]

Can be trash can be god

[keen plover]

used to be able to

[viscid mica]

90% of teno are hyper offensive

Chasing me to the end of the world

[worthy steeple]

yeah but they can’t do anything if you’re not getting attacked

[keen plover]

tbf the tools aren't that great offensively

[worthy steeple]

they’re definitely not

[keen plover]

the goal if anything is to run you out of stam to then use it lol

[worthy steeple]

the only offensive one is regular bite that does 35 damage

[worthy steeple]

yeah

[keen plover]

teno used to be able to run and alt claw.

I remember doing that to a cerato in the ST

[worthy steeple]

i’m pretty sure everyone could do that, now you can only do it while trotting🥹

[keen plover]

then running alt attacks were disabled for all

[keen plover]

i hated the change

still do

[worthy steeple]

i would want to be able to use alt attacks while running but it will just instantly stop you

[keen plover]

i guess but personally never found that to be an issue

anyways will probs be back with modding so it's fine

[edgy crow]

carno... stunlock?

[worthy steeple]

💀

[dusky surge]

carno's knockdown animation has singlehandedly caused the amount of people who incorrectly believe dibble has a stunlock to skyrocket

dibble doesn't have a stunlock. Carno just has the unique feature of being stunlocked, for some bizarre reason

[stark knoll]

@outer storm They do have different regen rates

[outer storm]

My mistake then, however in that case it means that the different regen rates arent really noticable. I still think small tier dinosaurs should regen stamina as fast as legacy, and large tier dino's should stay where they are now

Also my recent post about t rex being able to rip a stego's head off was removed probably because someone thought I was trolling but I wasnt. I genuinely think that a dismemberment mechanic would be an insanely good addition to this game. Obviously its hard to implement so I wouldnt expect it till after full release, but its just an idea.

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message i love how people are upvoting this as if the hitbox is the problem and not latency/desync.

“nerf carno for the sake of it”

[twin spire]

In terms of adding some kind of some kind of carnivore/herbivore proximity debuff, maybe it would be possible to make one that activates after a certain time BUT that time is reset by hitting them or getting hit by them. This would prevent anyone from getting inadvertently punished during long hunts/fights, while still discouraging mixpacking.

[steep echo]

I don't want troodon doing a 180 pounce

It has a pretty versatile pounce as it is

Some really good verticality

[hasty coyote]

issue is, then its negateable by the mixpack. pretty much all herbies have a very low damage peck that they can use to just cancel the debuffs, and even higher damage attacks can just hit the tail to reduce the damage and negate the debuff.

genuinely, I don't see a single stress/debuff system working if it affects stats. It will either have false positives (people getting debuffed for playing normally or trolls abusing the mechanic) or false negatives (mixpackers just having to jump through a few hoops to negate the debuffs).

[weary dust]

So how much do yall think bary and sucho should weigh? Im personally thinking they should be heavier than they were in legacy as they were kinda small for their size, or at least compared to their irl variants

[weary dust]

Too true lol

[slim dragon]

Bary 1.5T, sucho 4T

Actually bary could be anywhere between 1T and 1.5T

[weary dust]

See thats what I mean Irl bary was estimated to be much heavier, anywhere from 2600-4000, and sucho was MUCH bigger

[slim dragon]

I don't sure where you get such high estimates from
They have no reason to be that big in-game
They both need to be able to feed off fish

And a ridiculously huge sucho would encroach on spino's niche

[weary dust]

? Do you know how big spino is

[slim dragon]

In evrima ? Probably between 11-15 tons

But so far the biggest estimate I've seen for sucho was like a bit over 5 tons

[weary dust]

Yeah even if we really highballed sucho to 7 tons it would still not be half as much as spino

[slim dragon]

Ok but why make it so big

We don't need more apexes

We already have 5

[weary dust]

Im not suggesting we make them that big

Im just pointing out how they are all kinda small comparatively

[slim dragon]

comparatively to what ?

[weary dust]

Their irl versions ?

The only one that got upscaled by alot was cera

Kinda needed it tho

[slim dragon]

I still have yet to see a serious theory placing sucho over 5 tons or bary over 2 tons (which is already a very high estimate)

[weary dust]

I said nothing on sucho actually being over 5 I was just making the argument if you made it so massive it wouldnt encrouch on the niche of spino as there would still be a significant size gap, barry was def 2 tons at the most tho, and at the least bigger than carno( the real one not current evrima lowball)

[slim dragon]

How can bary be both 2 tons at most and bigger than real carno, which was above 2 tons

[weary dust]

Equal to*

[jade prairie]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350260027129865/1335683525373853758
carno is actually very good, people just suck at playing it
i actually just met a group of carnos today who are very happy to solo ceras because the ceras are easy kills for them

[iron tree]

as a carno main

carno is FINE

play it a bit and learn its movement

once you figure out how to play that thing you're a menace

[dreamy slate]

Why is this so downvoted?

Shouldn’t it make every playable throw up?

[cosmic pelican]

Crocodiles are physically unable to vomit

And deinos already struggle with food really hard

[dreamy slate]

Thank you, and I hope Rex gets the tomato niche

[warm flax]

Crocs have one of the strongest digestive systems.
they can direct their CO₂ to the stomach, bypassing the lungs (thanks to their special heart valve and partially chambered design), which releases more acid into the stomach.
their immune system is also incredibly strong against infections and wounds. you can often see crocodiles with torn faces or limbs, yet still manage to survive.

[dusky surge]

what does this mean

[dreamy slate]

I know a beta when I see one

[iron tree]

Crocodilians can vomit

If they want to ofc

I saw a gator throwing her last meal up to eat it again

[iron tree]

Crocodilians* ^^

[swift wind]

Clock out buddy

[iron tree]

Me? Naur

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message 🤭🫵

not to mention carno shouldn’t really hunt the cera

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message a playable shouldn’t be nerfed to accommodate a persons lack of skill

[slim dragon]

Ok but pachy dying to a cera isn't a skill issue, it's just pachy's current state

And cera's too

[crimson crater]

yea i agree

but as a stego? skill issue

[slim dragon]

That person didn't mention dying to a cera as a stego

[crimson crater]

i must’ve misunderstood, is he complaining about pachy struggling against 2 ceras

[keen plover]

yea

just the matchup in general

[slim dragon]

You can't run away from cera
You can't fight back against 2 ceras unless you're dibble or stego
Pachy cannot run away nor fracture and escape a cera

[crimson crater]

42.5kmh pachy when

[dusky surge]

pachy generally should just be faster, yea

[slim dragon]

(useless and baseless insult at the end of the feedback)

[keen plover]

Pachy is faster than Cerato and has significantly more stamina. Minus mutations (which the pachy can also get)

[dusky surge]

pachy's whole kit feels super outdated tbh

[keen plover]

It is

[slim dragon]

Pachy has more stam than cera now ?

[keen plover]

Pachy has a lot of running stamina yeah. 3+ minutes

[slim dragon]

So it was changed then
But tbh I didn't play pachy since Spiro, back then it had super low stam

[keen plover]

Early gateway it got buffed

Also its stam regen is really good

Cerato takes a whole minute longer to regen

Pretty old chart but I doubt pachy has been nerfed lol

Some others might have changed

From early last year? Feb/march

[dusky surge]

nah pachy's endurance is by far its best quality

like that hasn't changed

[elfin night]

All these cera nerf requests make me fear it will end up getting nerfed into oblivion

[dusky surge]

i mean

it might who knows

[elfin night]

😭

I want to play it more often when there’s another big carnivore around

[crimson crater]

have you not learned the lesson lol, look at pachy and maia

[dusky surge]

did i say i supported that approach

[crimson crater]

people constantly complaining and crying> playable being nerfed into the ground

you support those kinds of feedbacks

[dusky surge]

when have i done that

news to me

i dont support anything being nerfed to the ground

[crimson crater]

maybe you have a different definition of something being nerfed to the ground because i think this is: #general-feedback message

[worthy steeple]

it’s not tho lol

i can argue with the trot speed charge bite, but the rest is completely fine

it should slow down, but not to the trot speed

[dusky surge]

i still think a 20% speed decrease (the inverse of carno's 20% speed increase) could also work fine

[worthy steeple]

yes

[raven mist]

Skill gap when players hop off stego/dib for once and cant insta kill cera players

[crimson crater]

the feedback explicitly states that charging would lock the cera into a trot

[crimson crater]

but why nerf that of all things?

[worthy steeple]

make it less offensive

[crimson crater]

also hampers down its ability to dodge and makes it vulnerable while its not doing anything

it just needs the lunge on the charged bite back

[worthy steeple]

why? just don’t charge when you dodge

[dusky surge]

^

you can literally just not charge, or cancel the charge if the attacker is coming at you too fast

[crimson crater]

because the charged bite is not a tool for self-defense. unlike teno and stego cera has its strongest attack in its weak spot and can’t stun aggressors before they get to its critical spot

[crimson crater]

and then they can just trade it, 150 for whatever they do

[keen plover]

bruh that is not a hitbox issue lmaooooooooo

[crimson crater]

what

[keen plover]

the feedback lol

[dusky surge]

he's talking about the thing in balance feedback

[dusky surge]

it was supposed to be that though

it's entirely designed to be a back off or get hurt tool

[crimson crater]

yea but it unfortunately dosen’t work like that🤷‍♂️

i’d agree with slowing the cera down while its charging if there was something to compensate it and make it better at standing its ground

[dusky surge]

charged alt-bite, because i do agree that it leaves cera's flanks WAYY too open

if cerato can charge up its alt it can actually not get immediately flanked and die

[crimson crater]

tbf that will only help against things smaller than it like raptors

[dusky surge]

i don't believe that at all, and even so, that's not particularly a bad thing. Being able to control corpses even more effectively (and deal with dilos) would be great for cerato

Cerato should be extremely threatening, even to larger packs of small critters

a charged alt-bite would do INSANELY high damage, and ensure cerato can fully control a corpse

[worthy steeple]

it can stand its ground tho.

the way cera should be is it should not be strong in the normal circumstances, but it should be really strong near the body

basically a body bully. because right now the whole point of it being body bully doesn’t make any sense, it’s already the strongest without it

[dusky surge]

ya

[crimson crater]

what about similar sized opponents? to me you just want it to punch down

[crimson crater]

it literally cannot, already explained it. cera is way better off using its agility to dodge etc

[worthy steeple]

name at least one similar sized opponent cera won’t be able to kill with the body buff?

[dusky surge]

well, near a corpse, it objectively can just tank and react with ease. 2600 effective HP plus bleed resist would just allow it to win the long-game. Even if these changes went through, it could still easily deal with carno

[worthy steeple]

not to mention cera has permanent 50% bleed resistance on top of the body buff, which helps it ignore even more bleed damage

[crimson crater]

cera shouldn’t be purely balanced around a situational ability. it should be able to defend itself under normal circumstances no?
ceras niche was never being a punching bag without a corpse

[dusky surge]

and i dont see how it would be with this change

all that's changed is that its slower while charging its bite, and can alt-bite out of charge

[crimson crater]

it can do that just fine now but with those changes i fear it might struggle

[dusky surge]

it has enhanced self-defence if backed into a corner

it just sucks more at chasing down things

[worthy steeple]

why tho? what’s the point of it being a body bully then? it’s like if carno was a small game hunter but could stun a dibble as well, because why wouldn’t it

and not to mention that it’s not like cera is gonna be useless after those changes

[worthy steeple]

it won’t, dw

and also. it’s good when you struggle, when cera life is not easy as it is right now

[crimson crater]

because its not good game design to make it unable to defend itself without a specific ability which is 10% of its gameplay loop at most. it should be able to defend itself without a corpse. the corpse buff should simply allow it to punch up a bit

[cosmic pelican]

Daily cera talk am I right

[worthy steeple]

a bit? hehe if only it was “a bit”

it still will be able to defend itself, or run away

[crimson crater]

herbivore life is 10x easier but they are allowed to defend themselves but not cera why?

[worthy steeple]

but who said cera won’t be able to defend itself? like what

[crimson crater]

you said “its good when it struggles” implications

[worthy steeple]

like which change makes it so it won’t be able to defend itself?

[worthy steeple]

yes, it should not be always an easy game

[crimson crater]

slowing it down hampers its ability to dodge and effectively use its agility, it makes it vulnerable while its not doing anything, and if you let go to dodge, the opponent can just trade it since the dmg won’t be enough to make them back off

[worthy steeple]

run away

[crimson crater]

with what speed

[worthy steeple]

if you can’t fight it just run away, find a body and fight it with the buff

[cosmic pelican]

I think this should be settled with a good ol 1v1 ngl

[dusky surge]

the speed you have when you aren't charging the bite???

[cosmic pelican]

Yall will just go in theoretical circles again

[crimson crater]

that is not at all how cera is deigned…
the corpse buff is a tool to help you defend a CORPSE not something you use to defend yourself

[crimson crater]

cera is one of the slowest playables

[dusky surge]

no?

[worthy steeple]

wdym? what stops you for using it for defense? it’s literally designed to make you stronger and tankier

if tankier even a word lol

[dusky surge]

That's like saying teno is one of the slowest playables

[crimson crater]

1. deino
2. stego
3. dibble
4. hypsi
5. cera (in terms of sluggishness)

[crimson crater]

because that’s not at all how its designed to be used, that ain’t its purpose

[worthy steeple]

what’s its purpose then?

[crimson crater]

to help you hold down a corpse

[worthy steeple]

as far as i know it’s being not strong and running away from the dinos similar size and being only strong near the body, wasn’t that its whole thing?

[iron tree]

That is its thing

A corpse bully

[crimson crater]

its whole thing was never being a punching bag without a corpse lol, the body buff is a fraction of its identity

[crimson crater]

corpse bully dosen’t mean weak with one.

[worthy steeple]

wait who said that?

[crimson crater]

just like troodon and dilo shouldn’t be unviable during the day time for example

[crimson crater]

you said this

[worthy steeple]

alright look, why does cera need a body buff, if it stays strong without the body buff?

that’s a simple question

[elfin night]

Because it compliments its role of corpse bully

And allows it for example to take kills from carnos

Without body buff it is nowhere as capable of doing that

[crimson crater]

it is strongER with the body buff, the way it was described in the devblogs it seems like its purpose is to help it fight off predators larger than it

[iron tree]

Cera shouldn't be out there beating up allos. It shouldn't hunt either. It bullies carnivores off bodies

[worthy steeple]

it can take the kills without the body buff tho.

[cosmic pelican]

Cera when allo pin:

[crimson crater]

yea cera should be nerfed a bit but it should still be able to defend itself

[worthy steeple]

alright, but why cera should be strong without it?

like i just don’t get it

well, i’m alright with it being strong, but not this strong

[elfin night]

It further accentuates that capacity, it is a very conditional and restrictive buff, allows it to stand more of a chance against groups because otherwise it would get clapped against carno and dilo packs, and lastly it also grants that it stands a better better chance against larger upcoming carnivores

[crimson crater]

cheesy the double standards is insane can’t lie, the other day you said that teno shouldn’t be purely balanced around its ability to jump and evade things because its situational and now you want ceras to be free calories without a situational ability

[iron tree]

It can

It can run from bigger threats

[crimson crater]

it should just be strong enough to defend itself, how is that too much to ask lmao

[iron tree]

And it can fight back against raptors

[worthy steeple]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[iron tree]

And other small tiers.

[cosmic pelican]

Carnos though

How is it gonna run from a carno

[iron tree]

Forests and lakes

[cosmic pelican]

Not always available

[worthy steeple]

who said that lol? cera won’t be weak with those changes lol.

weren’t you the one wanting to make it more of a defensive brawler, instead of offensive? that’s literally your quote

[crimson crater]

evolution of cheesy:
hypocrite
double standards

[cosmic pelican]

[worthy steeple]

you’re projecting right now, that’s insane

[crimson crater]

yea but you’re not doing anything to compensate those changes, you’re simply forcing it to play defensively which its bad at

[tropic horizon]

Hey we should stay on topic!!!!

[crimson crater]

nah, already gave u evidence

[iron tree]

I mean just avoid plains and you're fine

[worthy steeple]

compensate what? cera is over buffed to the point where it doesn’t even need any compensations lol

[tropic horizon]

You can’t “just avoid plains” always, that just kinda locks cera into living by a body of water at all times or it runs the risk of not being able to escape?

[worthy steeple]

and btw we did, charge alt bites

[crimson crater]

i find it hilarious how you want cera to be forced into its niche while ignoring carnos. its a small game hunter it shouldn’t be going after ceras

[elfin night]

What is even overbuffed about cera other than charged bite and maybe vomit sickness?

[iron tree]

Oh...dear....the Carno debate again

[elfin night]

^

[crimson crater]

mate alt bites will only be useful against small critters, not really compensation

[worthy steeple]

i mean, cera gets advantage in any other scenario, it should suck in plains where carno or omni rules

[iron tree]

Carnotaurus

[worthy steeple]

alright, but why would you fight big, something that you can easily outrun

[crimson crater]

and where does teno suck tell me? it has no weakness

[crimson crater]

not something big, something like a teno for example

[iron tree]

Try to fight in a forest as a carno

[tropic horizon]

I don’t think that should be a thing. I agree cera should be nerfed but that’s such an odd area to nerf cera’s effectiveness.

[worthy steeple]

damage got nerfed, tail slams are not that useful, its strong, but can only be defensive

[worthy steeple]

what exactly stops you from fighting it with those changes tho?

[crimson crater]

and with the changes you proposed to cera it will also be defensive yet it should be more vulnerable and teno shouldn’t?

[tropic horizon]

Its tailslam and telegraphed attacks are its weakness.

[worthy steeple]

vulnerable? wdym by that?

[crimson crater]

what nerfs do u think cera needs?

[iron tree]

Speed or stam nerfs

[tropic horizon]

I need to scroll up a lot to get the full context of this, I didn’t see what the initial post this argument was about is. Give me a lil.

[crimson crater]

you wanted it to be more vulnerable if it dosen’t have a corpse, only being able to defend itself against small critters etc

[elfin night]

Cera is barely faster than photosynthetic tissue dibble right now

[iron tree]

I didn't quite get the nerfs cheesy suggested

[iron tree]

Speed mutations ruin the game's balance though

[crimson crater]

basically they want cera to be slowed down by 20% while charging the inverse of carno and for compensation it will be able to charge up its alt attack lol (kinda useless but whatever).

and i disagree with that

[crimson crater]

it has one of the worst running times btw

[iron tree]

Cera should be a "don't mess with me" playable. Even allos should think twice before attacking them

[cosmic pelican]

Didnt you just say earlier today that 1 teno can kill a dibble? Doesnt sound defensive to me.
#isle-discussion message

[iron tree]

Not really

[tropic horizon]

Okay the charged alt attack thing seems completely worthless ngl.

That’s such a nothing compensation buff.

[crimson crater]

LMAO true

[worthy steeple]

here’s my list of changes it needs:

• nerf the speed when using a charge bite

• nerf the amount of bacteria it applies.

• it should only get bacteria from the rotten corpses

• charge bite should last for as long as you want

• charge bite should charge a lot slowly, not 2 seconds, but 4

[tropic horizon]

It’s adding more steps to an attack that doesn’t need it.

[crimson crater]

exactly, it locks it into an animation and will only be somewhat useful against things like dilos

[tropic horizon]

It’s telegraphing the attack that’s meant to not be telegraphed….

[crimson crater]

yep

[worthy steeple]

oh i was just kidding xd, i never killed a dibble in survival, its just not gonna happen, maybe only if the dibble is like very new player

[iron tree]

My cera adjustments:

• give it back its charges bite slide

-make its vomit ability even nastier

-slightly reduce its speed

[tropic horizon]

It’s like shouting HEY GUYS IM ABOUT TO WHIP MY HEAD AROUND AND SNAP MY JAWS, YOU BETTER WATCH OUTTTT

[crimson crater]

nerf bacteria applied by how much?

[elfin night]

I agree, but I don’t know if they will be removed so touching speed can be risky

[daring spindle]

@spiral kindle pretty sure that stego was hitbox cheating, normally I don’t think they can hit you from that far

[worthy steeple]

so you need like 4 bites to make teno vomit, not 2

[iron tree]

Cera shouldn't be a teno punching bag

[worthy steeple]

or make it so you can only apply bacteria with the charge bites, but make the amount of bacteria applied a lot more

[crimson crater]

why, if you don’t want to fight a cera as a teno simply press shift + W

[tropic horizon]

I’d make it so the charge bite doesn’t automatically increase your damage if you just tap it. Alongside the slowing you down to 36kmph while using it. As for buffs I have trouble thinking of some but give my lil thinker some time and maybe I’ll come up with something not awful.

[worthy steeple]

this is what i experience every day

[iron tree]

Cera should be a defensive animal

Slow but a brute

[worthy steeple]

yes, why not

[tropic horizon]

That’s more just carnivore brain players. Cera is probably the most popular animal in the game rn.

[crimson crater]

yea? you have more stam and nothing will happen. kinda annoying but that happens with every playable

[cosmic pelican]

"In survival", so you killed one on an admin server?

[worthy steeple]

ikr, the hordes are everywhere

[crimson crater]

btw if the roles were reversed the cera would be dead but ig that’s fine?

[tropic horizon]

Cera would die there yeah

[iron tree]

Its bacteria should be nastier than it currently is

[worthy steeple]

hmm yeah i think i did, tho it wasn’t the best player, teno vs dibble is not winnable realistically

[spiral kindle]

It was

[tropic horizon]

Vomit shouldn’t cancel out attacks like kicks, tail attacks, and claws. Like anything that doesn’t involve ur mouth shouldn’t be cancelled.

[elfin night]

Nah it’s so strong rn

[spiral kindle]

He got banned (Petits peids btw)

[crimson crater]

cera is popular because its the largest carnivore, watch how its playerbase will plummet once allo and rex drops

[tropic horizon]

It always seemed weird that vomiting cancelled your kicks and what not. I’d just want it to be less of a stun tool than it is rn.

[elfin night]

Meanwhile me rising unless cera becomes D tier…

[tropic horizon]

Yeah that’s pretty much my point. Carnivore brain go rrrarrrghh.

[worthy steeple]

no, i tested that if they both run they won’t have enough stam to catch one another. even tho teno technically has more stam it uses it for attacks and one vomit makes it lose a lot of stam

[daring spindle]

Ah, nice

[worthy steeple]

which is more than enough to outrun it

[slim dragon]

If it's confirmed it was a cheater, then you should probably delete your feedback or replace it by saying there's people who can extend their attack hitboxes

Because that's a cheat I didn't know existed

[tropic horizon]

I mean a bunch of tenos would just nibble your tail until you die if they were chasing you. And you can’t turn around to retaliate cause you’ll get kicked in your face.

[crimson crater]

4 tenos can just trot it down and trade alt attacks which it can use when out of stam. we can try it on norden and i will show u.

i’ve tested it with @cosmic pelican the teno will have more than enough to finish it

[worthy steeple]

not the main reason tho. it’s not just because it’s largest lol. it’s because it’s also arguably the strongest and most overbuffed playable in the game

[crimson crater]

yes its because its the largest, dibble is way stronger but isn’t played as much

[worthy steeple]

that happened to you at least once?

[crimson crater]

huh? we did it on a test server

[worthy steeple]

no, in survival

[crimson crater]

no

because i play with friends

[worthy steeple]

is there anyone who experienced that?

[crimson crater]

yea there is

[worthy steeple]

at least one human being

[worthy steeple]

ping them

[elfin night]

I know you were engaged in a conversation or maybe I didn’t read it, but I am yet to know how is cera overbuffed. It seemed pretty okay as a playable other than a few things such as growth time being so much shorter than carno and the charged bite

[iron tree]

Cera should, again, be a "don't mess with me playable"

[crimson crater]

no

[dusky surge]

absolutely should be its entire niche

its a shame it isnt more just "dont mess with me"

[crimson crater]

yep that’s what so appealing to me but with those changes it won’t be that

[dusky surge]

why would it not

literally having a charged alt-bite makes it even less approachable

which should be the idea

it should be extremely risky to even approach one

[iron tree]

Read mine

Slight speed debuff

But an even nastier bacterial bite

[bronze rapids]

@iron tree your profile pic is so good

[crimson crater]

it will only be somewhat effective against small tiers only

[iron tree]

Even larger animals like allo should think twice before attacking a cera

[iron tree]

Henry :)

[tropic horizon]

Its current niche is “I’ll mess with you and dare you to do something about it”

[elfin night]

Who suggested that? It’s not a bad idea

[dusky surge]

It'd also be effective against things like carnos. Honestly, the only thing it'd be ineffective against are significantly larger critters, which cerato should be avoiding regardless

[crimson crater]

can’t avoid a herd of tenos for example

[dusky surge]

me. me did

reduced movespeed while charging bite BUT you can now charge your alt-bite making you slower but extremely capable of guarding your flanks

[iron tree]

You can

Just...don't approach them

[worthy steeple]

oh.. so.

50% bleed resistance
body buff gives 50% bleed and damage resistance
bacteria
can eat rotten
can eat bones
3 times the smell range of other dinos
swims as fast as teno for some reason
can alt attack in the water
strongest bite force with the fast bites
charge bite does 345 (515 headshot) damage which is insane and it’s literally more than deino body shot does

i can’t really name everything, but there’s even more buffs cera got.

and even tho i don’t want it to get rid of all the buffs it has, but giving all these buffs to one playable and calling it balanced is insane.

theres things that should be in ceras kit and things that should not be

[dusky surge]

you can if you just dont charge the bite and instead run

[crimson crater]

@worthy steeple @iron tree https://youtu.be/kzRUJh_pYGo?si=SdWoG0_P0rXaP_Uu

[worthy steeple]

one playable having literally everything is too much

[tropic horizon]

It’s awful. It telegraphs itself so much and locks it into even more animations. The whole point of alt bites is to be quick and untelgraphed as that’s how it catches people off guard.

[crimson crater]

you’ll be nibbled to death lol

[elfin night]

I see. That’s cool and could work to steal kills from anything carno sized and below as a solo cera, which is very much what should be cera’s target

[worthy steeple]

what’s that?

[crimson crater]

^

[tropic horizon]

Unless the charge isn’t telegraphed at all and is even quicker than regular alt bites, I don’t see it being useful.

[crimson crater]

herd of tenos running down ceras like u wanted

[dusky surge]

????

how would that apply to that suggestion. It's not more telegraphed than a regular charged bite

[worthy steeple]

is that like teno killing things montage?

[dusky surge]

You charge the bite and it multiplies the damage of the alt-bite

I feel like you've massively misunderstood what I'm suggesting if that's your take on it

My idea is literally the charge bite can be cancelled into the alt-bite AND it multiplies the damage of said alt-bite

[worthy steeple]

why would i watch it? i can do that myself being solo

[tropic horizon]

I think I did then. So you’re suggesting that the Chargebite be able to charge a regular bite and said alt bites?

[dusky surge]

Yes

[tropic horizon]

Okay, my bad then.

[dusky surge]

It's not a seperate input

Because that WOULD be really bad, 100% agreed that if it were a seperate thing, it'd be awful

No one would ever get hit by something that telegraphed

[tropic horizon]

If it was it would be completely useless. That seems decently useful, adds a bit of unpredictability to the move.

[elfin night]

I didn’t know it could alt attack in the water lmao

And to be fair, I do agree with some of those and I think stuff such as charged bite should be tuned down or even be made weight based to not make it a big game hunter. Although I would leave most scavenger and tank traits untouched since that’s the shtick

[tropic horizon]

Plus I’ve already wanted cerato to be slowed when charging its bite so it solves that too.

[dusky surge]

okay so we agree then hell yea

[worthy steeple]

great, glad we can all agree with that

[elfin night]

Stego also telegraphs its powerswing yet a stego that doesn’t get baited is something frightening. Why would cera be any different as a smaller tank that can hold its strong ability to immediately retaliate?

[elfin night]

I agree too. It would be a nice bandaid to make it less of an offensive tool/fight opener

#balance-feedback message

Uhm…alright?

Guess that’s one feedback that made it into the game

Before the feedback was posted

[crimson crater]

i like the idea of the charged alt bite but there should be more to compensate slowing it down so that it can hold its own against things like a teno

[elfin night]

Nerf teno

[dusky surge]

it still thrashes teno in water and has crazy high bleed res, not to mention stun and damage res near a body

[crimson crater]

why would it fight a teno of all things on a body? and water dosen’t always come in clutch

bleed ain’t really the main problem, teno does decent dmg and cera has less health

[dusky surge]

because the hypothetical teno picked a fight with it?

why would it fight a teno for no reason otherwise?

[dusky surge]

if cera's on a body, it has more health. 1000 more

[crimson crater]

yes but ceras aren’t glued to corpses, 90% of the time the fight is going to take place somewhere else.
why ruin a genuinely fun and fair matchup, we already lost galli v raptor

[crimson crater]

you asked me when a herd of tenos ever chase down ceras? and i gave u what u wanted

[worthy steeple]

they can always just run away and not engage the fight, not to mention that teno chasing cera is probably the rarest thing you’ll see, 90% of the time it’s ceras chasing tenos. because surprise surprise teno is not the playable 70% of the server playing as

[crimson crater]

you can’t run away since you’re slower and before you go “it’s only 0.025kmh difference” that still means that they are faster n can nibble you to death lol

[worthy steeple]

no, tested that, doesn’t work and it’s 0.25% speed difference

not km/h

[crimson crater]

ok.

u completely ignored my point and focused on that

[worthy steeple]

what exactly did i ignore tho. i said “i tested that, doesn’t work”

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-emoji-gif-16305719828036316485

[crimson crater]

you ignored my point, that being that even if the speed difference is negligible it is still faster and can more than keep up with it. but you instead addressed my minor mistake instead of the argument i presented

[crimson crater]

unable to debunk so resorts to insults, classic

[worthy steeple]

i literally said “i tested that, doesn’t work” 0.25% speed difference is not enough to outrun or do anything. you both will just run out of stamina.

and cera out of stam with the charge bite vs teno out of stam is easy win for the cera

[worthy steeple]

what? you’re the one always trying to insult me lmao, literally few hours ago in general chat

[worthy steeple]

i just pointed out how cringe posting this is

[crimson crater]

no the teno will still have enough stamina to kick a few times and if you’re completely out you can just trade your insane fast alt bite for the ceras slow alt attack/charged bite

[worthy steeple]

even tho i literally answered your question

[crimson crater]

idgaf😊

[worthy steeple]

i tested that, doesn’t work

[crimson crater]

are u free to test it now

[worthy steeple]

not to mention that you can make it vomit to lose even more stamina before you start to run away

[worthy steeple]

sure lol

[crimson crater]

teno trots at 21.6kmh, do you know how fast it is? stamina ain’t an issue

[worthy steeple]

erm ok? good luck killing a cera with the charge bite with just alt attacks lol

not to mention that ceras trot is not like a lot slower that that

[crimson crater]

yea but it takes time for the cera to charge it up and you can easily trade it if both are out of stam lol

[crimson crater]

cera trots below 20kmh

[worthy steeple]

it’s like you’re trying to argue over something you know it’s wrong but you just can’t accept you’re wrong and that’s so funny to me, like every time

it’s just the same thing every time lmao

[crimson crater]

the arrogance is actually astonishing, you believe you are correct and everyone else is wrong, like i’m telling u to come on a test server so that i can show u.
why would i lie lmao

[worthy steeple]

first charge bite = vomit
teno locks in animation so you have time to charge another one.

[crimson crater]

teno has a short animation lock

[worthy steeple]

who are “everyone else” tho?

[crimson crater]

everyone u debate with in general

[worthy steeple]

long enough to charge the bite

[crimson crater]

nope

the animation lock last 1 second and you can angle yourself so that u can trade it the moment the cera bites

you’ll be trading 625 for 500 at most

[worthy steeple]

so you’re saying out of stam teno can kill a cera?

basically what you’re saying is i can start chasing ceras down, wait till they’re out of stam and then just face tank them?

[crimson crater]

yep it can 100%

[worthy steeple]

this is super theoretical, but first of all why would anyone do that?
secondly, why do you even think it’s gonna work?

[crimson crater]

you can also stack some dmg during the pursuit by biting

[worthy steeple]

so you’re saying out of stam teno is that strong it can kill a cera? so basically teno doesn’t need its kicks and tail slams it can just alt bite and win?

[crimson crater]

“why would anyone do that” dosen’t justify it lmao, we are talking about the playables capabilities not player behavior🤷‍♂️

[worthy steeple]

just making sure i understand that right

[crimson crater]

yes 100%

[crimson crater]

if you’d like i can show u that on norden

[worthy steeple]

can’t do it right now, sadly, but maybe this evening

[crimson crater]

ok just ping me then

[worthy steeple]

sure

[bronze rapids]

[elfin night]

Insane duel

[elfin night]

Raptor doesn’t really need any buff other than jank fixes, if you can call that a buff

Even something like a 30% juvenile omni can bleed out a fg herra in a minute or two

[spiral kindle]

That means nothing

Herrera can just go up a tree and lie down lil bro

[elfin night]

It means that a damn juvenile who has been alive for 15-20 minutes has the potential to one shot a full adult dinosaur that takes 90 to grow

It’s not about matchup, it’s a way to prove that pounce normal/bleed damage is far from undertuned

Only real problem omnis have to face ever is bad connection

[fiery shard]

agree. cera literally does more dmg than deino which is apex (for now)

[elfin night]

A full stamina pounce deals exactly 1k damage as a base (no mut) omni, and if you want to go pure bleed you can actually bleed out an adult carno if it doesn’t sit down. Of course, no one will ever burn their whole stamina bar like that, but it means that maybe taking down a carno as two omnis is relatively easy

And well, the grapple. The damn grapple. There you go, free safe damage or bleed without bucking

[fiery shard]

if cera has the starvation dmg mutation, it just kills everything

[crimson crater]

it dies to the dmg alone

[elfin night]

Solidifying the point further

“Buff Omni” no bro, buff your gameplay 😭 😭 😭

[lethal shale]

buff omni? that thing needs fricking nerfs bro

why so tanky? and 1k damage in one attack?

[fiery shard]

1к? Pinning?

I have successfully fought on teno vs 6 omni and have not seen 1k damage

[crimson crater]

the dmg needs a massive nerf, i miss bleeder omni

and the pin threshold to be reduced so it can’t pin something its weight

[lethal shale]

No

[maiden ginkgo]

I see a lot of dislike of Troodon getting to eat sanctuary mush.

What do you feel would be better for their survivability at spawnling level?

[lethal shale]

normal dmg pounce

[crimson crater]

troodon has a carnivorous diet, why would it eat mushrooms?

[lethal shale]

if they use a full damage pounce, they do 1k damage in total

[fiery shard]

got it. I just instantly drop the omni by hitting the tree

[elfin night]

Did they even get to grapple you?

[lethal shale]

try doing that as dilo or pachy

get pounced? zero stam AND 90% certain death

[fiery shard]

they're all dead so fast. teno is literally an omni-destroying machine

[maiden ginkgo]

Although Troodon had serrated teeth like the meat-eating dinosaurs it's related to, its tooth shape is a lot like that of some plant-eating animals. So, experts think Troodon may have been omnivorous, meaning it ate a mixed diet of both meat and vegetation.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/dino-directory/troodon.html%23:~:text%3DAlthough%2520Troodon%2520had%2520serrated%2520teeth,of%2520both%2520meat%2520and%2520vegetation.&ved=2ahUKEwi3opCzhaiLAxXanokEHcGTBFoQFnoECBgQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3qZtRshwTuwjCvS0gseFBF

[fiery shard]

I tried it on pachy. I was just pinned to the ground and killed instantly. sadly

[elfin night]

And they were probably very trash. Don’t get me wrong, it still has merit as a teno, but they were probably terrible or you’re insanely good if they didn’t even get to do 1k damage which is like orange for you…I think?

[lethal shale]

omni cant pin pachy alone, you just die to the damage in 10 seconds

[fiery shard]

I had a yellow hp. most likely omni was bad. I only play well on deino and carno, not teno

[maiden ginkgo]

For further reading..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troodon

Troodon are more like lizards, eating a variety of foods not just meat. They are too small to be soly carnivourous, especially as 'The Isle' barely has critters in their actual diet.

[stark knoll]

Our troodon is not irl troodon

[spiral kindle]

??? Troodon takes like over an hour to grow and get's 1 shot by fresh spawn stego what example is that to justify it lol omni is mid at best

[fiery shard]

ye, he wasn't alone. but I didn't even have time to do anything

[maiden ginkgo]

That is something for sure. What Troodon is it?

Why is it a scavenger but not really a scavenger.?

[lethal shale]

i hate pin

[lethal shale]

troodon isnt real

[maiden ginkgo]

I think you missed my links.

[lethal shale]

oh there they are ty

[stark knoll]

Our troodon was made by AE from a completely unrelated species and is only so much a scavenger as any other carnivore is

[lethal shale]

cant AE make them omnivorous

[elfin night]

46 kph

little to no noise moving around

instant death cutscene pinning animation to anything of its weight and below with no counterplay

safe average 250-300 damage with a pounce or potentially +30% of a carno’s blood.

multiple of them can pin down larger animals while those who aren’t pouncing can also bite at the head for free damage

extremely easy to hide and grow in the early game and actually has some damage unlike juvenile troodon

Yeah bro, mid at best

[stark knoll]

They could, but they didn't

[elfin night]

You only hear omni when it is basically next to you 😭 😭

Meanwhile dilo can be heard from like 50 meters away

[spiral kindle]

Troodon aswell

[elfin night]

In fact

[maiden ginkgo]

Ok.
Whats the plan going forward with them?

Will they continue to be Omni/Dillo hybred, I'm not sure what role they fill apart from being filler now.

[spiral kindle]

Bros footsteps are hela loud]

Troodon needs some love

[elfin night]

What do you even suggest to make omni not mid? What buffs?

[lethal shale]

ZERO

[spiral kindle]

Bring back spiro tap pouncing Omni

[stark knoll]

Role? Filler? They're a tiny tier nocturnal pack hunter

[cosmic pelican]

Troodon takes 55 minutes to grow on 100% boost

[spiral kindle]

Current omni has too much counter play

[stark knoll]

There's still changes and improvements planned for its venom iirc, but why does it need to become an omnivore?

[lethal shale]

1 shotting everything it’s weight and less, dealing 1k damage in one attack, and being tanky as hell for no reason when it’s already an insane bleeder is too much

[lethal shale]

It doesn’t need to, was just asking

[elfin night]

Such as? Getting snatched by a deino in a murky river? Getting ambushed in the plains by 2 carnos?

[stark knoll]

Wasn't referencing you, sorry

[lethal shale]

I love when my hour grow dino gets 1 shot by an omniraptor that’s been alive for 5 minutes

[cosmic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/it-got-too-real-too-far-sad-pain-wtf-gif-22099303

[spiral kindle]

No such as herbies abusing terrain a good stego is pretty much invincible using water / guarding a cliff / rock makes omni so bad

Fixed Dilo and Cera are so much better

[elfin night]

And that affects literally everyone else. It is not an omni specific issue

[fiery shard]

die from a herrera bleed, for example

[elfin night]

No matter how many ceras you throw at a fg stego with its face on a cliff. You simply aren’t taking it down unless the guy is terrible

[crimson crater]

@worthy steeple forgot to show u this, https://youtu.be/QGT_nESQfYc?si=7eIjE2-fp5rqaf6U

[cosmic pelican]

The cera could only trot while holding charged bite ^

[spiral kindle]

Mostly omni tho cause Cera can hit with a huge amount of burst dmg , Dilo can Spam clones at range , Troodon can tap pounce , Thats why i miss spiro omni cause spiro omni , The meta was to tap pounce since it did the most burst bleed and cost the least amount of stam

[lethal shale]

That’s not an omniraptor issue, it’s a game design issue

Balancing and buffing Omni around that would be ridiculously foolish

[spiral kindle]

Current omni is awful against experienced players that know what they are doing

Way too much counter play

[elfin night]

That applies to everyone !!!

Matchup and your opponent’s experience are not omni exclusive

[spiral kindle]

Did bro not read my reply

[spiral kindle]

....

[elfin night]

I read it and I think it is a moot point, as they all have their restrictions save for dilo at night and that is mostly a jank issue

[spiral kindle]

Omni still has it the worst

[elfin night]

Cera will never get to burst down a stego if the stego doesn’t allow it to, simple as.

[spiral kindle]

Why are we talking about stego , Stego is not balanced at all for this current roster

[cosmic pelican]

Also uh, everything you said omni suffers from, troodon does 10x, plus the fact that your prey can just shift + W away from you at any given moment

[spiral kindle]

Talk about Diablo, Teno or Maia

[elfin night]

How? It just has better and worse matchups. For example omni packs perform so much better vs dibble than cera packs

If we are being fair with the weight and stats, of course

[cosmic pelican]

Buff troodon plz

[elfin night]

^^^^^^^

[spiral kindle]

LOL

[elfin night]

Im sorry man

[spiral kindle]

Bro really said 4 ceras do worst than 8 omni's

Against a single diablo

4 Ceras can kill a diablo in less than 30 seconds

Takes 8 omnis like 10 minutes

[spiral kindle]

Fact's buff troodon

[cosmic pelican]

Dmg pounce kills dibble in 3 good pounces 🤷‍♂️

1k dmg per full pounce goes hard

[spiral kindle]

That will never happen against a good player

[cosmic pelican]

Probably, but still good dmg

[spiral kindle]

Bucking is a thing for a reason y'know

And brushing them off with trees / cliffs/rocks

[cosmic pelican]

If it wasnt garbage...

[spiral kindle]

Yeah ik

[crimson crater]

“but cera works defensively!”

[cosmic pelican]

Got killed 3 out of 3 times 😭

[spiral kindle]

Takes 4 actually cause hp regen and if you're opponent is AFK then yes that will work

[elfin night]

I know it’s hard to agree with someone online but it is okay. Just admit that you are resorting to anecdotal evidence

I have never seen a dibble go down in 30 seconds vs 5-6 ceras and in fact I have seen them standing their ground by using terrain and playing properly. At worst they lasted like 2 minutes.

Meanwhile omnis are much more agile and have an easier time dealing with the potato drifting around, while also DRAINING STAM with their pounces as well as dealing damage or bleed, and swapping their turns to regain stam while 4-5 omnis can keep the pressure.

Whether or not omnis are trash randoms is not a concern for game balance. In the right hands they are far more oppressive in megapacks who actually understand how the game works

[crimson crater]

people just say things without playing the dino first

[cosmic pelican]

"Troodon is op"😂

[elfin night]

Rng mechanic that can burn down your whole stam even as a teno to shake off one omni. Yup, so advantageous.

And the trees and cliffs part, well, you see, omnis have this button in their keyboard called the space bar. They can use their eyeballs and situational awareness to know when they should disengage instead of getting greedy and dying in the process

[crimson crater]

“opponents should be able to shift + W away from troodons, its a valid form of strategy and fair”

[spiral kindle]

And everything that is above pachy can abuse terrain and becomes invincible

good vs good omni is trash

[maiden ginkgo]

Alright, fair. What can they successfully hunt in game right now as a solo newly spawned hunter?

Boars kill them, if they are facing you (and they charge at you on sight) you will insta die if you attack.

Goats may have you starved to death before they die as you have no venom at that point.

Everything else is mostly unreachable, undetectable or too large to kill.

Sure some skilled players can take out fresh spawned omnis at the fresh spawned level but only if they see them first.

Unless you are lucky when you spawn, your waiting to die.

As they are made up, who cares if they can eat mush for 10 minutes of gameplay, it literally means nothing to anyone but them. They'll still be night hunters that die in one hit by most things, the exception is now other dino's with troodpn in their diet will know they have a good chance to catch one at a sanctuary, giving them a chance to live longer.

[spiral kindle]

Same with troodon

[spiral kindle]

Yeah and omni's tap pounce does like no bleed anymore

So you don't benefit from using pounce and theres a off chance you bug out / or you miss time the dismount and get brushed off and cc'd

Cera and Dilo are just better , and easier

Omni is high risk low reward Playable

I wish Omni was meta but it just aint

[crimson crater]

friendly reminder that omni just needs to press RMB to 1 tap one third of the playables

[spiral kindle]

And killing everything bigger than you / you are bad at

[spiral kindle]

The playables than can get pinned have Speed , climbing and evading abilities if they get caught off guard then there punished , good game design

[crimson crater]

omni is one of the fastest playables, some juvis/sub adult can’t escape them

[maiden ginkgo]

I believe one of the biggest issues is the lag rubberbanding server side. If that can get sorted out, I'm sure we'd see a much better picture of what the playables are, can do and capabilities.

Maybe even a 'tutorial' or host local game.

[lethal shale]

sub adult omni being pretty much as fast as carno 💀

[crimson crater]

me when a fresh spawn omni can pin dryos:

[lethal shale]

it cant but ok

[cosmic pelican]

Correction, sub omni IS faster than a carno sprinting

[lethal shale]

IT IS??

[cosmic pelican]

50.2kmh vs 49.5kmh

Same with sub dilo

[crimson crater]

hyperbolical but an omni needs 7-12 mins approximately to be able to pin it lol

[lethal shale]

skull

[crimson crater]

right

[lethal shale]

whats worse is that dryo doesnt have recoil, so it cant kill baby omnis like troodon can if its pinned

[crimson crater]

balance

“but dryo is a herbivore and should be free calories for juvi omnis”

[lethal shale]

#eatgrassanddie stinks

i hate how some playables like galli, dryo, herrera can just get pinned on their bellies and be defenseless

acting like they cant turn on their backs and nip, slash and kick

[crimson crater]

peak game design to have your ability to interact with anything completely removed🔥 “nuh uh you’re not allowed to do anything”

[lethal shale]

i clicked my right mouse button infront of u, guess u have to watch urself slowly die with nothing you can do against it, sorry!

[crimson crater]

too high of a reward for no effort

[lethal shale]

low risk high reward

[crimson crater]

worst part is that omnis can afford to miss multiple times because the dmg makes up for it lol

[lethal shale]

i wish they never removed pounce recovery

not for omni

[spiral kindle]

No good carno player uses reg sprint charge is better

[lethal shale]

thats still absurd speed

[spiral kindle]

Carno charge goes 62km now that is speed

[lethal shale]

and uses a lot of stam

[spiral kindle]

Still better than running imo

Carno with charge can outrun a dilo

In fact in here is my results in my tests

• Carno reg speed 49.5 w speed mut 52 / run time 2 minutes 15 seconds
• Carno Charge speed 59.4 / 62.4 w speed mut run time 1 minute 55 seconds
• Charge is better / faster / more distance
• Dilo Reg Speed 47.5 / 49.9 w speed mut run time 2 minutes 35 seconds
• Omni speed 46.8 w speed mut 49.14 run time 2 minutes 48 seconds
• Cera speed 40.2 w speed mut 42.2 run time 2 minutes 22 seconds (Cera Cannot outrun Carno or Dilo)
• Troodon Speed 45 w speed mut 47.2 run time 3 minutes 20 seconds (So far can run the most / distance except for galli ofc)
• Maia speed 46.9 w speed mut 49.3 run time 2 minutes 35 seconds (Almost beats Dilo and Carno distance wise)

[maiden ginkgo]

It doesn't, not all carnivores need to eat just meat, some can eat certain plants too.

Similar animals that come to mind that do this are but lot limited too,

Chickens, Pigs, rats, crows, racoons. All have similar role to troodon, you can say they are a night ambush predator all you want, they as of right now are scavengers.

All I suggest is let them eat mush until all the other stuff is sorted out.

Not fruit, not agave, but mushrooms, sanctuary mushrooms, and only because that is lost once they hit juivenile.

[spiral kindle]

Not really

Only noobs think that

[lethal shale]

troodon doesnt run for 3 mins

its around 2min 30 secs

omni runtime is 2min 15s

maia is 2min 55s

[spiral kindle]

Wrong

[lethal shale]

@cosmic pelican

[lethal shale]

we have proven sheets of it wdym

[spiral kindle]

That’s actually very strange

[crimson crater]

how is troodon taking so much stamina per pounce a skill issue

[cosmic pelican]

Each successful pounce is MINIMUM 7% stamina gone

[spiral kindle]

Use reinforced tendons lil bro

[cosmic pelican]

Doesnt affect pounce

[elfin night]

It’s almost like if they wanted to balance the polar bear sized animal needing some commitment to latch onto someone to keep dealing damage to them for free and being untargetable by whoever you’re attacking

[crimson crater]

so quick to talk yet knows nothing

[lethal shale]

not counting the time taken to make sure you dont die by dismount kill

[spiral kindle]

Pounce costs 5%stam dismount costs6% reinforced tendons dismount is only 3%

You dummy

[cosmic pelican]

dismount doesnt cost stam what are you even saying

[elfin night]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-metal-gear-solid-gif-14187145046150119880

[cosmic pelican]

staying latched costs stam

[spiral kindle]

It does lil bro

[lethal shale]

2nd time saying it

reinforced does NOT affect pounce

[crimson crater]

reinforced tendons dosen’t reduce stamina cost of troodons pounce

[cosmic pelican]

Im not your "lil bro"

[lethal shale]

it doesnt

and the way you use "lil bro" as a period just proves how immature and arrogant you are 😭

[elfin night]

Are you baiting or are you genuinely a 100h rando trying to pass his skill issue or that of his randoms as a genuine balance problem?

[tropic horizon]

I have been called

[spiral kindle]

I will literally go on a test server and test it with you if you don’t understand

[lethal shale]

@cosmic pelican should we? it'd be funny to prove him wrong

[maiden ginkgo]

While I disagree an their attitude.

I do agree that reinforced tendons does help troodon pounce. Thats current, I have it on my troodon.

[spiral kindle]

I have 1.24k hrs you judge a book real fast huh

[cosmic pelican]

do you not think if it did affect pounce people wouldve already found out and used it in every build possible because it would be so meta

[lethal shale]

it doesnt though? it only affects jump costs

[stark knoll]

Reinforced tendons only affects jumping with spacebar, it doesn't affect pouncing or ptera's takeoff

If you like to jump then initiate pounce, it's still a good pick

[tropic horizon]

We could always just not insult one another that’s always cool!

[lethal shale]

even this super awesome lunary confirmed it

[maiden ginkgo]

Seems like what is being said does not match what happens in game.

[spiral kindle]

Bet let’s go on norden eu

[lethal shale]

i will if potato comes along

[cosmic pelican]

I can, for like 5 mins lol

[lethal shale]

same

[elfin night]

Agreed. Saying omni needs a buff because of situations where literally no other carnivore can do anything about it unless the herbivore is actively being trash or throwing is extremely out of touch to my eyes.

No, “lil bro”, there is nothing dilos or ceras can do to a stego in the middle of a mudpool even if you throw 10 of them if the stego doesn’t get baited more than once.

[maiden ginkgo]

I won't argue the point about tendons, because que times are way to high for me in official and I like my Beipi rn.

[cosmic pelican]

ill spawn a troodon

[spiral kindle]

No i will

[lethal shale]

i can be the test subject

[maiden ginkgo]

You'll need one troodon fully grown with enhanced tendons and one fully grown without.

Use f2 to record the video and jump 10 times.

[spiral kindle]

Jump 10 times?

[maiden ginkgo]

If with tendons it's below the 3rd claw where it expands then it doesnt' (that should be the spot.)

[maiden ginkgo]

Yeah, gives a more accurate range on the stamina bar.

I mean you could go until yoy cant jump no more but there are other issues with that.

[spiral kindle]

?

I'ts not jumping were testing

It's dismounts

[maiden ginkgo]

My mistake. Pounce 10 times lol.

[cosmic pelican]

we just tested, reinforced tendons does nothing

[lethal shale]

potato and i confirmed it

reinforced tendons does NOT help with pounce

[cosmic pelican]

both shortest possible pounces are 7% stam, with, or without

[spiral kindle]

Are u guys in norden

[lethal shale]

yes

[cosmic pelican]

I can get video eveidence if needed

[maiden ginkgo]

Yeah, thats the fastest 90 minutes ever.

[spiral kindle]

whats your users

[lethal shale]

its called a free admin server

[cosmic pelican]

doesnt matter ill post the vid in a sec

[lethal shale]

glazedcwasso

[spiral kindle]

I hate it how it kicks u out of server if u jump too much

[lethal shale]

it does?

i just jumped for like 2 mins straight and nothing happend

[spiral kindle]

grow

yourself glazed

so i can test

only costs 7% stam

[cosmic pelican]

exporting the video

[spiral kindle]

Oh yeah you guys are right

I was mislead by a dude on petits peids

Who told me its meta

[cosmic pelican]

"lil bro" all that confidence for nothing

[spiral kindle]

Lil bro was rage bait mostly

I'm not actually being serious

[cosmic pelican]

anywys here it is

[maiden ginkgo]

Fair enough. I don't have a server to test it on but I'll grow one and video. Somethings not adding up. Maybe it's something to do with what stage you get it at. I prevously tested it on one I had picked the mutation stage 2 on fully grown but not stage 3.

[stark knoll]

Mutations don't change based on what stage you are/earned them on

[cosmic pelican]

absolutely irrefutable evidence, finally I can go eat dinner

Peace

[maiden ginkgo]

Do you lose more stamina of you have no target?

[spiral kindle]

Doesnt matter

I just tested it on 2nd mut stage

Well thats good to know thanks guys for helping me test it

Now i can save a mutation next time i play troodon wich i have been playing ALOT recently

[maiden ginkgo]

Cool, I apreciate you all for showing the testing. Now it's irrefutable.

Now I have to figure out why I had conflicting readings.

[crimson crater]

that’s what they all say

[elfin night]

I guess we can conclude by saying omni needs a nerf

[lethal shale]

THATS ME!11!11!!1!!!

[spiral kindle]

Hahaha

[spiral kindle]

How old are you?

18+?

[crimson crater]

u resort to mocking after being debunked. the classic

[spiral kindle]

Debunked? I had no proof to be debunked lol

If you read what I said you would know that I was mislead

[crimson crater]

you were so confident and insulted ppl for disagreeing

[spiral kindle]

Insulted?

[crimson crater]

the mocking like “lil bro”

[spiral kindle]

Never had those intentions

Seems like you are still upset

You gonna cry?

[stark knoll]

Can you both stop being the way you are please?

[spiral kindle]

He’s the one who can’t move on after I admitted that I was wrong respect it and move on

[stark knoll]

And yet you're also continuing the conversation. Both of you need to drop it

[elfin night]

For once, I side with a discord moderator /lh

I am fine with some snarky comments every now and then, but that’s just a little embarrassing as well as…markedly offtopic

[spiral kindle]

In conversating with you

[elfin night]

The whole reinforced tendons convo was tbh

[spiral kindle]

Troodon needs some love

[elfin night]

Facts

Tbf all tiny tiers sort of do

The three current ones below 100kg and dryo

[spiral kindle]

Troodon needs a footstep volume reduce, pounce needs to travel further/faster , needs slightly more stam , slight health buff and some other stuff

[elfin night]

I proposed something earlier as a sort of “fix” to the pounce stamina problem

Allowing a more stamina efficient option to be used without having to the venom stages resetting over and over again while also giving the alt attack any utility since it is so useless in troodon

[maiden ginkgo]

I felt letting them eat mush from sanct was a good idea.

As a temporairy fix.

Seems like it could be done server side, making it easy to implement.

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message teno is on omnis diet tho

[elder steppe]

Hey how do you copy and paste the link like that.

#balance-feedback message

oh i see

[topaz elm]

where do you see tenontosaurus?

because me personally I dont see tenonto on that list

tenonto is on carno's diet but carno cant even charge teno
it takes what 3-4 utahs to pin a teno?

[iron tree]

why did they remove teno from raptor's diet...

[topaz elm]

thats what Im saying, so vote to get it back

[iron tree]

I would

if there weren't that many questionable things in your post

[maiden ginkgo]

diet for all dinos has bugs and the list can and has changed depending on the flavour of how the bug effects.

I have several instances (omnis and herbies) where diet dissapears alltogether, sometimes the things you know you eat still work, sometimes they don't. sometimes they show as diet on radar without being in the diet list and sometimes when on the list they show as plants.

[worthy steeple]

no way it got removed lmao

was that a recent change?

[topaz elm]

not really no

[worthy steeple]

lmao

[worthy steeple]

xd

[worthy steeple]

that happened to me as well

[elder steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-jameson-mouth-gif-24811570

[maiden ginkgo]

Mr. Chin.

[keen plover]

Nah. That change happened in April last year

[worthy steeple]

that’s ridiculous

[maiden ginkgo]

no food. I just loggin in too.

leaft the biome "zone" and -- its back.

Sometimes I have to "logoff" but cancel at 11 seconds (random time really as it's not consistant) and the diet comes back.

[sharp patrol]

allosaurus isnt meant to be ceratos main rival its meant to be way larger

[viscid mica]

@ionic shard that’s how it is already the problem is desync which makes the hitbox feel far larger than it is

@topaz elm cera and allo aren’t rivals cera is allo prey it’s statistically half the power of allo in all way except speed.

[maiden ginkgo]

and my diets broke again....

[worthy steeple]

i don’t even think the cera is gonna be on allos diet tbh

[crimson crater]

they did state that an allo should be able to kill a cera under normal circumstances pretty easily tbf

[edgy crow]

why wouldn't it? I desperately want more herbis to be on carni diets than carnis but... all things considered it seems allo is intended to be a cera predator

[iron tree]

Cera players when something can actually harm them

[crimson crater]

nothing new

[worthy steeple]

hm, i see why carnivores should be on deinos or herreras diet, because they can’t actively hunt and they more of an opportunistic hunters.

but dondi said he will remove most carnivores from each others diet in the future, i don’t remember the exact quote, but he said that on one of the streams

[iron tree]

And crocodilians hunt literally everything

[edgy crow]

I know. For the time being tho, it seems like cera will definitely be on allo's diet

[worthy steeple]

yeah tbf i expect an allo to just straight up murder a cera if it gets close to it

[iron tree]

Cera, herrera and deino should've carnivores on their diet

[worthy steeple]

pin it and kill it

[worthy steeple]

maybe

[crimson crater]

there’s only 4 herbivores that are substantial in food, until way more herbivores are added its fine that carnis hunt other carnis

[worthy steeple]

not to mention that it’s usually 2:1 or 3:1 the amount of carnivores compared to herbivores

adding allo and rex will most likely make it so even more people play as carnivores

[topaz elm]

they lived together

[worthy steeple]

until they stop making herbivores artificially worse than they should be. tho i expect that to happen as soon as rex and allo added to the game

[topaz elm]

ceratosaurus is meant to be the hyena to allo's lion

[edgy crow]

society if this was real:

[worthy steeple]

HELL YEAH!!! was that an event or something?

[crimson crater]

people will always play what they enjoy the most

[edgy crow]

nah I did a photoshop

that's why I said IF it was real

[worthy steeple]

NOOOO😭😭😭😭 it’s not even real

omg

[topaz elm]

thank you for reading 🙏

i appreciate it

[edgy crow]

I wish

[worthy steeple]

me too

[crimson crater]

yea i agree with some of the things in ur feedback

[topaz elm]

allo should be able to body cerato under normal situations WHICH IS WHY cerato needs some help and to help it, we should lean into it being a gluttonous weirdo, and give it super strength to be on par with allo while defending a body

[edgy crow]

IT ALREADY HAS SUPER STRENGTH

[topaz elm]

cerato is really easy to kill

desync makes its a b tho

you gotta understand it at a realistic and game mechanic stand point tho, you cant brute force it because thats what cerato is designed to do

[worthy steeple]

what am i reading

[worthy steeple]

it already got the body buff, but tbh i don’t expect one cera to body bully an allo, even with the full 50% body buff. but 2v1 sounds fair

[crimson crater]

2 of any dinos could do that, why need a body at that point

[worthy steeple]

i don’t see how body buff matters when an allo just pins cera to the ground and kills it if it gets close

[crimson crater]

increased thresholds

[worthy steeple]

why?

[topaz elm]

I had another suggestion, cerato can fight back while being grappled

[worthy steeple]

no, it’s bad

[topaz elm]

if they want to make cerato a tough annoying guy to subdue then it should be able to fight at all times shouldnt it

[worthy steeple]

cerato is fast enough to outrun an allo, it should not be able to fight back

[topaz elm]

no?

[worthy steeple]

it is, it’s already that annoying guy tho

[topaz elm]

first of all allo is much faster than cerato, second cera should absolutely be able to fight allo or at least make itself so much of a nuisance its not worth fighting

[worthy steeple]

lmao, do you what allo is?

[topaz elm]

the whole point of allo is very quick bursts of speed to grab and subdue prey

its literally in its concept art

[worthy steeple]

who said an allo is gonna be faster than the cera? huh?

it literally can’t be for the balance reasons

[crimson crater]

on a corpse i wouldn’t mind it being able to punch up, the devs kinda implied that it would do that aswell in blogs

[worthy steeple]

yeah, but not 1v1. like honestly it’s just not happening.

it even sounds silly, single cera body bullying an allo?

[topaz elm]

considering they want to bring back a form of ambush specifically for allo, I would say the developers

[worthy steeple]

even as non allo fan it found that hilarious

[crimson crater]

this is the isle after all lol, yea it sounds silly ngl but could work
troodon for example melts things far bigger than it such as dryos and herreras

[topaz elm]

allo will have huge bursts of speed but a lacking stamina pool, cerato is built to outlast so I can very well see a singular cerato being very annoying for an allo to deal with especially on a body

[worthy steeple]

yes, if you got ambushed that’s your fault for not being careful enough. ofc cera should die to that. and ofc an allo should be faster in ambush.

tho the thing is it’s not confirmed it will have an ambush mechanic. we don’t know that. and another thing is that we don’t know how ambush mechanic will work.

[edgy crow]

It should take like 3 ceras or 2 on a corpse to win the fight against an allo

[crimson crater]

….

[topaz elm]

I feel like people underestimate cerato way too much

[keen plover]

Nah 2 should easily win